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who wins?

Franky. Easy.

Psi-Lord

IB can summon franklin's opposite, which I'm guessing includes Hyperstorm.

IB for the win

Also, which IB? Current or classic? Classic IB always had the Soul Gem on him.

Originally posted by Tenebrous
IB can summon franklin's opposite, which I'm guessing includes Hyperstorm.

IB for the win

Also, which IB? Current or classic? Classic IB always had the Soul Gem on him.

classic
didnt franklin beat hyperstorm?.................but if your talking about summoning hyperstorm for a 2 v 1 then yes IB wins.

Originally posted by Nihilist
classic
didnt franklin beat hyperstorm?.................but if your talking about summoning hyperstorm for a 2 v 1 then yes IB wins.

I don't have the scans for the issue, but IIRC the Hyperstorm that Psi-Lord barely defeated was not 616 Hyperstorm. Maybe and X-Fan can comment here.

If this is classic IB then I really don't see what Franklin can do against the Soul Gem.

IB for the win.

IB wins

ib manhandles franklyn roughtly and gets arrested police depand and chris hansen ftw

What happens when Franky throws a big bang in IB's face?

IB cries?

I-B is on Galactus lvl or maybe a little bit below.

So that's mean he would pummel Franky.

Originally posted by Galan007

What happens when Franky throws a big bang in IB's face?


... Which Psi-Lord can produce easily, as seen on panel.

Although, Franky would have to escape said BB himself,
cause although he can initiate it, he can't survive it.

IMO, franky can throw all the big bangs he wants in soul world

Originally posted by Tenebrous

IMO, franky can throw all the big bangs he wants in soul world
?

IB loses sheerly because his name is so ****ing stupid.

"The Inbetweener"? What the hell.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk

IB loses sheerly ebcause his name is so ****ing stupid.

"The Inbetweener"? What the hell.


But more likely cause he'll get a Big Bang dropped on his dome piece.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
I-B is on Galactus lvl or maybe a little bit below.

So that's mean he would pummel Franky.

Do you actually know how strong Psi Lord is?

inbetweener is nothing to psi lord. soul gem or not, he loses.

Originally posted by Galan007
What happens when Franky throws a big bang in IB's face?

What will happen when IB summons Franklins opposite?

Originally posted by Utrigita

What will happen when IB summons Franklins opposite?
He'll get a Big Bang dropped on his dome piece too.

If Franklin get the required time to prepare the attack against IB and his opposite which most likely would be hyperstorm which in my opinion would defeat Franklin quiet handily.

Originally posted by Mr Master
He'll get a Big Bang dropped on his dome piece too.

The the Flash will come out and slap Franklin for stealing his move.

Originally posted by Utrigita

If Franklin get the required time to prepare the attack against IB
Actually, Psi-Lord generated his anti-matter universal Big Bang in one page.

Vanguaard didn't have time to stop him from doing it,
and Vanguaard is far beyond the IB.
Originally posted by Utrigita

and his opposite which most likely would be hyperstorm
which in my opinion would defeat Franklin quiet handily.
Hyperstorm is an alternate Franklin Richard's son, not his opposite.

btw.

A starving Galactus curbstomped Hyperbole, I mean Hyperstorm effortlessly.

Originally posted by celestialdemon

The the Flash will come out and slap Franklin for stealing his move.
That's not his move, Flash is in another league far beyond Universal Big Bangs ...

... Flash drops Multiverses on dome pieces. lol

Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually, Psi-Lord generated his anti-matter universal Big Bang in one page.

Vanguaard didn't have time to stop him from doing it,
and Vanguaard is far beyond the IB.

He did yes but it toke time it wasn't instant which was my point.

Vanguaard doesn't have the soulgem. Also one thing is that Franklin can utilize the blast another thing entirely is if he will do it.

http://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=v3he1.jpg

Originally posted by Mr Master
Hyperstorm is an alternate Franklin Richard's son, not his opposite.

btw.

A starving Galactus curbstomped Hyperbole, I mean Hyperstorm effortlessly.

I said that his opposite most likely would be Hyperstorm not that it was his definitive opposite.

A starving Galactus is no joke. And the Narrator mentioned that Hyperstorm would become the most powerful mutant on the planet, that he is below HoM Wanda and MJJ is however not argueable, however nearly all on the forum placed him on a there top five in the most powerful mutants thread.

Originally posted by Mr Master

A starving Galactus curbstomped Hyperbole, I mean Hyperstorm effortlessly. lol.

Originally posted by Utrigita

He did yes but it toke time it wasn't instant which was my point.
It wasn't "instant," but stating that "it took time" is a bit mis-leading friend.

It was quick enough:

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/483288_Psi.jpg

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/6461/v6ec6eb5.th.jpg

Grant it, he obviously didn't cause this Big Bang with a thought,
but notice Vanguaard in the background coming at him,
and still he managed to build up the anti-matter energies to implode that Universe.

I know he did this very quickly, (besides that it was done in 3 panels)
cause Vanguaard is a being that traverses the Omniverse,
jumping from one reality to the next at a whim.
Originally posted by Utrigita

Vanguaard doesn't have the soulgem.
When have you ever known the In-Betweener to implement the Soul Gem?

Exactly.
Originally posted by Utrigita

Also one thing is that Franklin can utilize the blast
another thing entirely is if he will do it.
This is a vs thread, not a story in a comic,
all his abilities are at our disposal.
Originally posted by Utrigita

I said that his opposite most likely would be Hyperstorm
not that it was his definitive opposite.
Cool.
Originally posted by Utrigita

A starving Galactus is no joke.
Like getting one-shotted by Rachel, who was one-shotted by Thor?
Or being defeated by heroes?
Originally posted by Utrigita

And the Narrator mentioned
that Hyperstorm would become the most powerful mutant on the planet
Hyperbole.

Hyperstorm is awesome on paper, and could've been something special,
and he had a few feats, nothing major,
but, the character, like that narrator's statement,
are truly hyperbolic.
Originally posted by Utrigita

however nearly all on the forum
placed him on a there top five in the most powerful mutants thread.
That's cause they fell for the hype.

btw. I didn't.

That he did, however I'm surprised that Vanguaard simply didn't just attack him earlier ore used his ability to transfer himself directly to him, instead he flew towards him.

Does that mean that he cannot use it Master? It's no different from the attack performed by Franklin Richards in this instant from my point of view.

Just like IB are, that includes the powers of the soulgem dependent on which version of IB.

Like blowing up at least solar systems and a watcher like having enough power to destroy both the negative zone and the 616 reality even though he was extremely weakened, fending off the Starjammers, Gladiator, the FF, the Avengers and the Shi'ar navy while mad with hunger, there is more then one side of a starving Galactus master.

Was what you fifth choice then?

Originally posted by Utrigita

That he did, however I'm surprised that Vanguaard simply didn't just attack him earlier ore used his ability to transfer himself directly to him, instead he flew towards him.
It is, what it is.
Originally posted by Utrigita

Does that mean that he cannot use it Master? It's no different from the attack performed by Franklin Richards in this instant from my point of view.

Just like IB are,
that includes the powers of the soulgem dependent on which version of IB.
Actually, unlike Psi-Lord who did use his Universe destroying power, on panel,
IB has never implemented the Soul Gem, not ever.
(there's no reason to believe he ever would)

IB had the Soul Gem for the briefest of moments.

btw. Original IB never had the Soul Gem, current IB doesn't either.

So unless the thread starter specifies an IB with the Soul Gem,
he doesn't get to have it.

Thread starter said "classic IB" ... which I'm figuring means the origianal IB,
in which case he didn't have the Soul Gem, Warlock did.
Originally posted by Utrigita

Like blowing up at least solar systems and a watcher
Nice.
Originally posted by Utrigita

like having enough power to destroy
both the negative zone and the 616 reality
even though he was extremely weakened
... So now a weakened G is > Eternity? ... ... More hyperbole.

Let me know when that happens besides being stated.

Better yet,
let me know when a hungry G takes out a simple alternate reality,
before we move up to hungry G taking out not only the Negative Zone,
but also the Reality that contains the infinite power of the Multiverse. (616)

You gotta be laughing with me Ut.
Originally posted by Utrigita

fending off the Starjammers, Gladiator, the FF, the Avengers and the Shi'ar navy while mad with hunger,
there is more then one side of a starving Galactus master.
FF alone have also owned hungry G.

Meh, still just heroes.

Originally posted by Mr Master
It is, what it is.

Yes it is.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually, unlike Psi-Lord who did use his Universe destroying power, on panel,
IB has never implemented the Soul Gem, not ever.
(there's no reason to believe he ever would)

IB had the Soul Gem for the briefest of moments.

btw. Original IB never had the Soul Gem, current IB doesn't either.

So unless the thread starter specifies an IB with the Soul Gem,
he doesn't get to have it.

Okay.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Thread starter said "classic IB" ... which I'm figuring means the origianal IB,
in which case he didn't have the Soul Gem, Warlock did.

Yes he did.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Nice.

Yes it is a nice feat.

Originally posted by Mr Master
... So now a weakened G is > Eternity? ... ... More hyperbole.

Let me know when that happens besides being stated.

Better yet,
let me know when a hungry G takes out a simple alternate reality,
before we move up to hungry G taking out not only the Negative Zone,
but also the Reality that contains the infinite power of the Multiverse. (616)

You gotta be laughing with me Ut.

Frankly Master I isn't laughning at all when it concerns any member bringing forward Galactus low showings and makes fun of them (sorry). A weakened Galactus that was going to be turned into a bomb by Annihilus, Annihilus knew it was possible, Thanos knew it was possible, the only reason it never happened on panel was because Thanos intervened in the complete and utter destruction of the 616 reality and Negative Zone was never brought to show because of that fact, it was the only reason Thanos turned towards Annihilus because he wanted to stop "the bomb".

Also master I'm a bit disappointed by you, you want to see a scan ore a showing of Galactus taking out a alternate universe when you yourself have argued for that such a incident will never been shown on panel because it simply isn't Galactus Natur nore his interest to destroy anything unless there is no other way.

Originally posted by Mr Master
FF alone have also owned hungry G.

Meh, still just heroes.

FF have owned him how many times to be exact under there own powerset? Ore are it's the UN incident you are refering too, hell if Galactus wanted he can easily make copies of the fantastic four and have them battle themselves.

Heroes that have been proven powerless against him in plenty of other scenarios.

Edit, to be frank yes you touched a nerve

Originally posted by Utrigita

Frankly Master I isn't laughning at all when it concerns any member bringing forward Galactus low showings and makes fun of them (sorry). A weakened Galactus that was going to be turned into a bomb by Annihilus, Annihilus knew it was possible, Thanos knew it was possible, the only reason it never happened on panel was because Thanos intervened in the complete and utter destruction of the 616 reality and Negative Zone was never brought to show because of that fact, it was the only reason Thanos turned towards Annihilus because he wanted to stop "the bomb".
First off, I'm not bringing up Galactus' low showings,
so divert from trying to make me look like a big G hater,
cause that's not the case at all.

I'm bringing up HUNGRY Galactus' showings,
which are pertinent to that hyperbolic claim, since he was, well ... HUNGRY.

On that note, as for the hyperbolic statements you're buying into,
if hungry Galactus can destroy the power of the infinite Multiverse,
then Rachel, a sub-par Phoenix avatar is beyond Multiversal,
since Rachel, while accessing a portion of the Force one shotted hungry Galactus,
this also means, Quasar & Thor are beyond, beyond Multiversal,
since Quasar handled her, and Thor one-shotted her.

I'm simply not going to accept that friend.

Also, what's a chump like Annihilus doing controlling Galactus anyway?

I'm going to re-read the relevant issues,
and see what exactly are the stipulations behind this claim,
then I'll return.
Originally posted by Utrigita

Also master I'm a bit disappointed by you, you want to see a scan ore a showing of Galactus taking out a alternate universe when you yourself have argued for that such a incident will never been shown on panel because it simply isn't Galactus Natur nore his interest to destroy anything unless there is no other way.
I'm a bit disappointed in you too then,
cause I can show you Galactus (not hungry of course)
not only creating the next Marvel Universe in a possible future,
but also actually in the process of absorbing the entire Omniverse in another future,
Now,
concerning Omniversal absorption, had it just been stated, I'd call it hyperbole,
but since we see 616 Galactus' future self literally beginning the process,
I can state with definitiveness, Galactus is a potential Omniversal threat.
(cause it was stated numerous times across different titles, (Avengers/FF/GOTG)
and of course, besides the absorption being depicted on panel happening,
where this time for real, had big G not stopped himself, then bye bye Omniverse)

Unlike in Annihilation, where no such depiction even as an allusion exists.

So yea, it's not in Galactus' character to destroy realities,
and yea, I've supported that case,
but yet,
there is proof, that Galactus has, and can affect reality across all creation.

(but this level of infinite potential begins at his satiated state,
where he can from there, potentially absorb, in-definitely)

Grant it, he couldn't reach a level of satiation, due to the tampering,
but that's always been my question, can he consciously make himself insatiable?

I' don't know, and there's no evidence to establish factual answer.
Originally posted by Utrigita

FF have owned him how many times to be exact under there own powerset? Ore are it's the UN incident you are refering too, hell if Galactus wanted he can easily make copies of the fantastic four and have them battle themselves.

Heroes that have been proven powerless against him in plenty of other scenarios.
One-shotted by Rachel who was handled by Quasar,
and one shotted by Thor.
Originally posted by Utrigita

Edit, to be frank yes you touched a nerve
I'm just stating facts based on historical data concerning big G.

Then my I ask why you are dwelling with the Heroes and Thors Godblast against Odin? And I'm not trying to make you look as a Big G Hater Master, I'm like you merely stating fact about Galactus and fact is that the heroes have only won because of PIS.

It wasn't exactly Annihilus more Thanos that did all the work.

And no need looking the relevant scans.

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/1410/galactusuniversefeatno4.jpg
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/3076/galactusuniversefeat1ob8.jpg

And I'm too bringing up showings for Galactus, difference between the two is that yours are a hungry Galactus mine is a starving, also a Hungry Galactus has teleported a entire Galaxy across space and time hardly a low showing.

I accept it because it has been stated on panel that Galactus has within him the power to destroy both the 616 reality and the Negative Zone, The persons however you are mentioning have never been put directly into the idea that equals the destruction of two universes. From my point of view that is the difference.

No you cannot show me that he does it, you can show me the backpanel by the Writer to be exact, also Galactus had at that point of time had a battle over millinia with Ecce, reaching into himself to draw out the last energy he managed to defeat Ecce, to me it doesn't sound like a well fed Galactus accomplishing this feat.

Because it never came to that, just like Galactus never actually began absorbing the omniverse.

Really when has Galactus affected all Realities across the Omniverse?

No need for Galactus to begin tampering with himself his boundless hunger can never truly be satiated

http://img207.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fantasticfourv141431hy9.jpg

Oneshotted Uatu (alternate reality) Oneshotted a Watcher (616 Reality/Canon), made exact Copies of the Fantastic Four, weakened withstood a "assault" from Xaviar using the entire skrull throne worlds population as a "sword", Defeated the Proimael gods which invidividually is above Beyonders essence. He has low showings agreed but when they are mentioned his high shall be mentioned as well.

And I'm doing the same

Originally posted by Utrigita

Then my I ask why you are dwelling with the Heroes
and Thors Godblast against Odin?
"godblast against Odin?" ... Huh?
Originally posted by Utrigita

And I'm not trying to make you look as a Big G Hater Master, I'm like you merely stating fact about Galactus and fact is that the heroes have only won because of PIS.
Then don't tell me I'm bringing out low showings and making fun of Galactus.

Again, I brought out HUNGRY Galactus' showings only.
Originally posted by Utrigita

It wasn't exactly Annihilus more Thanos that did all the work.

And no need looking the relevant scans.

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/1410/galactusuniversefeatno4.jpg
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/3076/galactusuniversefeat1ob8.jpg
What is it you think this proves?

That's just the hyperbolic statements we were discussing.

I most definitely need to look into the relevant issues.
Originally posted by Utrigita

And I'm too bringing up showings for Galactus, difference between the two is that yours are a hungry Galactus mine is a starving, also a Hungry Galactus has teleported a entire Galaxy across space and time hardly a low showing.
So now a starving Galactus is above Eternity?

Don't me chuckle again.
Originally posted by Utrigita

I accept it because it has been stated on panel that Galactus has within him the power to destroy both the 616 reality and the Negative Zone, The persons however you are mentioning have never been put directly into the idea that equals the destruction of two universes. From my point of view that is the difference.
So you agree that Rachel/Thor and Quasar can destroy 616 and the Negative Zone.

Cool.
Originally posted by Utrigita

No you cannot show me that he does it,
you can show me the backpanel by the Writer to be exact
It wasn't drawn, but that's the way Byrne finished the story,
by writing what happened.

Writer's own words, >>> whatever.
Originally posted by Utrigita

also Galactus had at that point of time had a battle over millinia with Ecce, reaching into himself to draw out the last energy he managed to defeat Ecce, to me it doesn't sound like a well fed Galactus accomplishing this feat.
Actually, the last bit of energy he had needed in battle is what he used against Ecce,
which is only consequential while constricted to his armor,
but Galactus contains infinite amounts of energy reserves withIN his armor,
energy he can't feed on because it does not serve that purpose.

In fact,
Galactus still had ALL the energy he ever collected across his lifetime,
and that was what he released.

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/493420_G.jpg


Same thing happened when Reed and company returned G to his natural state,
infinite energy radiated out of him, which would continue radiating for ever.
Originally posted by Utrigita

Because it never came to that,
just like Galactus never actually began absorbing the omniverse.
Actually Galactus did begin absorbing the Omniverse, on panel.

It was 616 Galactus' future-self, he was absorbing his future Reality/Universe,
which is part of the Omniverse, if he hadn't stopped himself,
ALL Existence would've been absorbed.

Unlike the ONE issue, hyperbole in Annihilation,
this was stated across THREE different titles. (Avengers/FF/GOTG)

And the beginning of that process was depicted in the Black Celestial arc.
Originally posted by Utrigita

Really when has Galactus affected all Realities across the Omniverse?
Originally posted by Mr Master

there is proof, that Galactus can affect reality across all creation.

(but this level of infinite potential begins at his satiated state,
where he can from there, potentially absorb, in-definitely)
Typo, my bad.
Originally posted by Utrigita

No need for Galactus to begin tampering with himself
his boundless hunger can never truly be satiated

http://img207.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fantasticfourv141431hy9.jpg
And yet he feeds on one Planet and is satisfied.

Dude, Reed is speaking in general, not specifics,
Reed is saying that Galactus needs to continue feeding through out his existence,
which is true,
not that his hunger is never appeased.

His hunger is satitaed everytime he feeds on a Planet,
then about month later, he gets hungry again, and must feed again.
Originally posted by Utrigita

Oneshotted Uatu (alternate reality) Oneshotted a Watcher (616 Reality/Canon), made exact Copies of the Fantastic Four, weakened withstood a "assault" from Xaviar using the entire skrull throne worlds population as a "sword"
Whoopi doo.

Red Hulk just one-shotted Uatu.
Originally posted by Utrigita

Defeated the Proimael gods which invidividually is above Beyonders essence.
And this was proven of course.

Actually no.
Originally posted by Utrigita

He has low showings agreed
but when they are mentioned his high shall be mentioned as well.
Nothing you've presented concerning hungry Galactus has impressed me.

Hyperbolic statements ain't gonna do it either,
so you might as well research for something that actually did happen.

Against Galactus sorry.

A hungry Galactus low showings only to be precise.

Please by all means.

Based on the story in some way yes, for all we know Galactus could work the same way Psi-Lord antimatter blast did imploding the universe, all we know is that Thanos found the scenario very real indeed.

No I isn't again the difference is that Galactus has been put directly into a context that describes how he can bring about the destruction of the 616 reality and the negative zone, Quasar, Thor and Rachel has never been put into that context that they can be used to destroy two universes has they?

Which was my point you said on panel which wasn't correct as it wasn't shown I isn't disagreeing with the writer just you choice of words

Energy that is only released when he dies also the majority of the energy that he stores within him is reserved for keeping Abraxas away as you well known.

Can you show me where he begins absorbing the omniverse on panel, to my knowlegde he was destroyed before he was finished with the Relevant Universe.

Cool, though I was getting excited

He eats one planet because it, yes as you say, satisfy him, however does that mean that he cannot absorb far more then a planet and still not be absorb more? The incident in Secret Wars springs to mind where Galactus was going to absorb first Taa II, then the Sun and then the World the heroes was on, Taa II was (by reed account) arguably the largest energy source in the Universe and it still wasn't enough for Galactus he could still feed without problems, he just chooses to feed on one planet because it is enough that is why all the Black Celestial had to change was the way he feel his hunger

PIS

That they was above Beyonder essence ore that he defeated them?

A low showing that destroyed three solar systems and a watcher has failed to impress you? Holding off against the entire Shi'ar Fleet, the Avengers, Starjammers, Gladiator and the FF, Teleporting a Galaxy with a gesture, Creating exact copies of the FF (power and all), if this does not the slightest impres you then I will most likely not find something that will.

Originally posted by Juntai

lol.

Originally posted by Utrigita

Thors Godblast against Odin?
I still don't get this.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Please by all means.
Indeed, I just re-read and understood the stipulation.

Originally posted by Utrigita

PIS

No doubt, Annihilation had it's share of PIS too.

Ok, here we go.

Originally posted by Utrigita

Against Galactus sorry.
Against Rachel Yes, so ... sorry back at ya:

Rachel vs Hungry Galactus:

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/6191/93991103rb1.th.jpg

"I have need of sustenance"

....................................................................................................


And as we all know,
as Galactus' historical data confirms,
as it's always been,
because he's in need of sustenance,
he gets owned like a sucka by Rachel:

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/4415/25924830zz4.th.jpg

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/9896/42636245cr8.th.jpg


Owned!

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/497922_G10.jpg

"You have NOT the Strength to Continue this conflict"


=====================================


The same power (Rachel) that just easily owned Hungry Galactus,

gets handled by Quasar:

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/4886/f8qd6.th.jpg

http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/7493/f9vs6.th.jpg



The same power (Rachel) that just easily owned Hungry Galactus,

gets stomped by Thor:

http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/7531/f10nq4.th.jpg




Originally posted by Utrigita

A hungry Galactus low showings only to be precise.
As if he has any high showings.
Originally posted by Utrigita

Based on the story in some way yes
I can't believe
you think hungry (or even normal) Galactus is above Eternity.

I should just let this debate go now
since we've entered the realm of absurdness.

But, I'll just finish this up, then you go on thinking what you wish.

Originally posted by Utrigita

for all we know
Galactus could work the same way Psi-Lord antimatter blast did imploding the universe.
"Like Psi-Lord did?" ...
... So now you're going to bring unsupported speculation into the debate.

....................................................................................................

"for all we know" ...

....................................................................................................

What we know is that Galactus released his power,
his real power, the power he uses to battle,
and ONLY 3 Solar Systems were destroyed.

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/497666_G1.jpg

"Herald my RAGE!"


btw. There's like over 100 Billion Star Systems in the Milky Way Galaxy.

....................................................................................................


So incredible was his 616/Negative Zone destroying power,

that Annihilus shield's himself and survives:

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/497667_G2.jpg

....................................................................................................


So incredible was his 616/Negative Zone destroying power,

that Nova shield's himself, while simultaneously protecting Phyla-vell & Peter:

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/497729_G4.jpg

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/497668_G3.jpg

....................................................................................................


I suppose you think their all above Eternity too? ...


Originally posted by Utrigita

all we know is that Thanos found the scenario very real indeed.
"all we know"

All we know is that hungry Galactus got stomped by Rachel,
but somehow you believe hungry Galactus is above Eternity.

Ut, I think you're cool, but, this isn't looking good.

I sincerely hope you're just playing around.
Originally posted by Utrigita

No I isn't again the difference is that Galactus has been put directly into a context that describes how he can bring about the destruction of the 616 reality and the negative zone, Quasar, Thor and Rachel has never been put into that context that they can be used to destroy two universes has they?
Rachel has never destroyed Two Universes,
not even one, (just like hungry Galactus has never either)
but she stomped hungry Galactus.
Originally posted by Utrigita

Which was my point you said on panel which wasn't correct
as it wasn't shown I isn't disagreeing with the writer just you choice of words
My choice of words were right on point dude.

On Panel the writer described what happened,
doesn't need to be shown,
John Byrne wasn't speaking hypothetically,
ol' Johnny (in detail) explained what happened.

And if (with his name printed) on panel
he personally said what happened,
then it happened.

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/493420_G.jpg

Like I said, his name is clearly in red bold,
to assure us it's how the story ends.

Originally posted by Utrigita

Energy that is only released when he dies
Finally, now you understand good friend.

THIS is the energy that is infinite,
the energy withIN Galactus's armor, his essence really.

You see, you're confusing what Galactus contains,
with what Galactus can output in terms of power.

There are two sides to Galactus' energies,
there's the energy he uses to battle, that needs replenishment, ("I have need of sustenance"
and there's the energy withIN his armor that will serve a purpose in the future,
that is,
the energy he'll need to create/become the new Marvel Universe.

This energy has been released TWICE! (once in 616, and once in the future)

When Reed and co. "killed" him in 616,
he returned to his natural state (a Star made up of infinite energy)

The reason it did not re-create the Marvel Universe,
is because it was an un-natural transformation,
this is why Abraxas instead manifested.

But when Galactus acted on his own, ripping his own armor apart,
the natural transition took place, and the next Marvel Universe was created.

Originally posted by Utrigita

also the majority of the energy that he stores within him
is reserved for keeping Abraxas away as you well known.
Nah, Galactus keeps Abraxas in check as long as he's withIN his armor. (alive)

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/497828_G5.jpg

Interestingly enough, as the scan reads, it was Eternity himself
who created the infinite amount of Galactus' across the Multiverse,
yet, you believe a hungry Galactus is above Eternity.

Originally posted by Utrigita

Can you show me where he begins absorbing the omniverse on panel,
to my knowlegde he was destroyed before he was finished with the Relevant Universe.

Statements ... across three different corresponding arcs



Avengers comic:

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http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/8987/biggomni1iq6.th.jpg

"Celestial renegade (Taimut) constructed a weapon (Galactus)
mighty enough to threaten the ENTIRE Space-Time structure of the OMNIVERSE"

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MAKE NO MISTAKE!


The weapon is Galactus! (FF comic)

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/3127/9te0.th.jpg

"Galactus Himself is the WEAPON"

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GOTG comic


http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/5047/20396565ii7.th.jpg

"Galactus' appetite became insatiable
and it threatened to consume All Existence"


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FF comic


http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/8093/10qt9.th.jpg

"The time will come soon when ALL the Energy in the UNIVERSE,
through out it's HISTORY will NOT be SUFFICIENT to feed him"

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In this same FF comic (Black Celestial arc)

We see Galactus in the process of absorbing the Omniverse,
which is all of HISTORY ... which is ALL Existence!

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/497865_G6.jpg

http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/5524/11ms5.th.jpg

"Galactus who's busy wolfin' (eating) down ALL of TIME and SPACE"


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Luckily, he did stop himself by erasing himself from that future existence.


Originally posted by Utrigita

He eats one planet because it, yes as you say, satisfy him, however does that mean that he cannot absorb far more then a planet and still not be absorb more? The incident in Secret Wars springs to mind where Galactus was going to absorb first Taa II, then the Sun and then the World the heroes was on, Taa II was (by reed account) arguably the largest energy source in the Universe and it still wasn't enough for Galactus he could still feed without problems, he just chooses to feed on one planet because it is enough that is why all the Black Celestial had to change was the way he feel his hunger
I never said he couldn't continue to feeding.

But there's no clear indication that he can absorb all UniverseS without the tampering.

Although to his credit,
it was his own capacity to absorb that was doing the work,
Taimut only made it so he couldn't stop.

So perhaps, indeed, more than possibly, he can do this on his own,
but we can't say for certain.

Originally posted by Utrigita

That they was above Beyonder essence ore that he defeated them?
I know he imprisoned the old timers,
but there's no proof that any of them were above Beyonder's essence.

Please don't bring out another unprovable/unsupported single statement.
Originally posted by Utrigita

A low showing that destroyed three solar systems
For a power that was supposed to destroy 616 and the Negative Zone?

Heck YEA!!!
Originally posted by Utrigita

and a watcher has failed to impress you?
You keep bringing up that Watcher that decided to enjoy the scenic view,
while obliteration was heading his way.

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/497915_G7.jpg

What a bone-head Watcher.

As if that Watcher couldn't have escaped in countless ways that wave coming at him,
not to mention that Annihilus/Quantum Bands was able to shield himself,
and Nova, who shielded himself and two others
meh, but let's make sense out of it shall we.

You're so intent on "statements" in this debate,
well, it's been stated, yes on panel, that a Watcher chooses to die:

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/497918_G8.jpg

When we take into consideration that Annihilus and Nova (while shielding others)
were able to withstand Galactus' omni-directional RAGE!

I'd say it's safe to say that Watcher chose to allow himself to be incinerated,
I mean as you're so clinging onto "on panel statements"
it was stated on panel after all.

stoned

Originally posted by Utrigita

Holding off against the entire Shi'ar Fleet, the Avengers, Starjammers, Gladiator and the FF, Teleporting a Galaxy with a gesture, Creating exact copies of the FF (power and all), if this does not the slightest impres you then I will most likely not find something that will.
Not impressed,
although I'd like to see the hungry G man teleporting a Galaxy with a gesture,
that's a cool feat,
but it doesn't impress me enough
when we see hungry Galactus stomping Hyperstorm
who was supposed to be connected to infinite energy.

Which is what our debate is all about,
imo,
Hyperstorm was ridiculously over-rated because he was stomped by a hungry Galactus,
your argument is,
well hungry Galactus has the feats to prove he's capable of stomping Hyperstorm while hungry,
I haven't seen anything, anything at all that even tickles that notion as a possibility.


So,
we're left at, Hyperstorm truly is the epitome of Hyperbole!