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Spiderman has connected Wesley with the deathes of many innocent individuals and intends to take Wesley out.

Wesley gets a fake cloth that tells him to kill peter parker


fight in the streets of New York

Spider-sense evades initial assassination attempt, Then Spidey punches his head off.

Originally posted by Placidity
Spider-sense evades initial assassination attempt, Then Spidey punches his head off. wesley is a bullet dodger too, plus curving the bullet would help A LOT in this fight

Yea but when Spiderman closes the distance, its unlikely Gibson will survive 10 tonne class blows.

Wesely isn't beating any incarnation of Spidey. Ever.

Spider sense.

End of discussion.

Originally posted by Placidity
Yea but when Spiderman closes the distance, its unlikely Gibson will survive 10 tonne class blows. thats the thing if spiderman can close the gap

especially since they are pretty much equal in speed, wesleys curving bullets would definently catch spidemran off guard, spiderman can obviously sense the bullets coming but hes definently not as fast as the bullet and if the bullet curves at him while hes in the air hes shot

and people seem to forget wesley has senses on par with spidermans

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
thats the thing if spiderman can close the gap

especially since they are pretty much equal in speed, wesleys curving bullets would definently catch spidemran off guard, spiderman can obviously sense the bullets coming but hes definently not as fast as the bullet and if the bullet curves at him while hes in the air hes shot

and people seem to forget wesley has senses on par with spidermans

One of spider man's comic feats are actually dodging bullets. I think he can dodge an automatic.

Googles...



Yup...

"Spider-Man can casually dodge attacks up to and including automatic-weapons fire, provided there is sufficient distance."

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/newreply.php

Spiderman can also catch bullets between his butt cheeks and fart them right back at Wesley. Spiderman likes to catch bullets in his butt; it makes his spider senses tingle.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
thats the thing if spiderman can close the gap

especially since they are pretty much equal in speed, wesleys curving bullets would definently catch spidemran off guard, spiderman can obviously sense the bullets coming but hes definently not as fast as the bullet and if the bullet curves at him while hes in the air hes shot

and people seem to forget wesley has senses on par with spidermans

spidey dodges heat seeking rockets

I've seen Wanted, which I must make a thread later tonight or tomorrow. As for this fight. Wes loses badly. Because of Spider sense curving the bullet won't matter. Spidey will web him up and then punch him or simply evade all that Wesley throws at him and then punch him until is down and out.

Originally posted by dadudemon
One of spider man's comic feats are actually dodging bullets. I think he can dodge an automatic.

Googles...



Yup...

"Spider-Man can casually dodge attacks up to and including automatic-weapons fire, provided there is sufficient distance."

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/newreply.php

Spiderman can also catch bullets between his butt cheeks and fart them right back at Wesley. Spiderman likes to catch bullets in his butt; it makes his spider senses tingle. theres a reason I put this in the movie vs. forum, were using the movie versions

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
I've seen Wanted, which I must make a thread later tonight or tomorrow. As for this fight. Wes loses badly. Because of Spider sense curving the bullet won't matter. Spidey will web him up and then punch him or simply evade all that Wesley throws at him and then punch him until is down and out. wesley is probably just as fast as spiderman , that and spiderman can dodge one bullet but a series of bullets curving at him would be to ohard for him

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
theres a reason I put this in the movie vs. forum, were using the movie versions

Spiderman can also catch bullets between his butt cheeks and fart them right back at Wesley. Spiderman likes to catch bullets in his butt; it makes his spider senses tingle.

Also, going by the movie version, spiderman should be bullet proof. I'm sure some nerd somewhere has gone through the physics already to show that.

So, movie spiderman wins because he is bullet proof...

What the f*ck?

Honestly.

Spider-Man getting beat by this man? Have we all thrown sense out of the bastarding window?

If you're gonna create a thread just to say "He'd win because he's do this first etc etc." then don't bother. The simple fact is, Spidey is faster, stronger and has better senses. He wins because of this.

"If Wesley...", yes, if. Would he? No.

-AC

Ahaha, wow. We forget at times that Spidey has is a superhero. He can do whatever a spider can.

Spdey pwns this.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
wesley is probably just as fast as spiderman , that and spiderman can dodge one bullet but a series of bullets curving at him would be to ohard for him


No it would not be too hard for Spidey to dodge many bullets curving at him. Remember in the first Spiderman film, in the burning building where Spidey was fighting Green Goblin, remember when Spidey was dodging what was being thrown at him, I see exactly the same thing here. Spiderman is very much capable of dodging not one but many curving bullets.

The whole "curving bullets" thing is quickly becoming extremely overrated. Anyone care to notice that 99% of the time whenever the curving bullets technique was used in the movie, it was A) On stationary targets, or B) On a target who's direction you can accurately guess, and compensate for. Similar to shooting ahead of a fast moving target, not at it.

Although they curve, they stll follow a linear path. They can not magically change direction and change momentum after the bullet is fired. So it's a useless thing to use on a man who can effortlessly dodge bullets and has a precognitive sense that will tell him where and how an attack is going to happen before it does.

Spiderman is faster, stronger, smarter, more durable, and has a damn near omnicient sense that is constantly hanging around him that never let's it's guard down. Wesseley, for all of his skill, simply is not beating Spiderman.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
What the f*ck?

Honestly.

Spider-Man getting beat by this man? Have we all thrown sense out of the bastarding window?

If you're gonna create a thread just to say "He'd win because he's do this first etc etc." then don't bother. The simple fact is, Spidey is faster, stronger and has better senses. He wins because of this.

"If Wesley...", yes, if. Would he? No.

-AC ....uh...no

physical stats they are equal, its demonstrated people with his power are capable of bending metal and leaping fro msky scraper to skyscraper

also he can pretty much dodge bullets at near point blank range

physically they are equal

diferences?
spiderman"
webbing
wall crawling

Wesley:
bending bullets


especially since bending bullets should be very effective of spiderman

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
The whole "curving bullets" thing is quickly becoming extremely overrated. Anyone care to notice that 99% of the time whenever the curving bullets technique was used in the movie, it was A) On stationary targets, or B) On a target who's direction you can accurately guess, and compensate for. Similar to shooting ahead of a fast moving target, not at it.

Although they curve, they stll follow a linear path. They can not magically change direction and change momentum after the bullet is fired. So it's a useless thing to use on a man who can effortlessly dodge bullets and has a precognitive sense that will tell him where and how an attack is going to happen before it does.

Spiderman is faster, stronger, smarter, more durable, and has a damn near omnicient sense that is constantly hanging around him that never let's it's guard down. Wesseley, for all of his skill, simply is not beating Spiderman. ....like how he durved a bullet into a bullet that was curving at him?

or how the first man bent bullets to hit a target hiding behind a metal pole (it curved pretty much 90 degrees)

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
No it would not be too hard for Spidey to dodge many bullets curving at him. Remember in the first Spiderman film, in the burning building where Spidey was fighting Green Goblin, remember when Spidey was dodging what was being thrown at him, I see exactly the same thing here. Spiderman is very much capable of dodging not one but many curving bullets.
1. those arent as fast as bullets
2. they are larger than bullets and easily seen
3. wesley can curve a bullet to get spiderman in the air, second bullet would be a definite hit seeing as he can pretty much curve a bullet as much as he needs too

Originally posted by Scythe
Ahaha, wow. We forget at times that Spidey has is a superhero. He can do whatever a spider can.

Spdey pwns this. get squished

He's not actually as fast or as strong as Spider-Man.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
....like how he durved a bullet into a bullet that was curving at him?

Yeah, and that's gonna do great against all the guns Spider-Man uses...

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
or how the first man bent bullets to hit a target hiding behind a metal pole (it curved pretty much 90 degrees)

So? You think Spider-Man's senses won't beat that?

Seeing as you're saying the actions Wesley "would" do, what's the point? You've already decided beyond all sensible reason that Spidey won't win. You're wrong, but you won't see sense, so why should the thread continue?

-AC

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
....like how he durved a bullet into a bullet that was curving at him?

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
.....no, he curved hs bullet into an oncoming bullet

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
He's not actually as fast or as strong as Spider-Man.



Yeah, and that's gonna do great against all the guns Spider-Man uses...



So? You think Spider-Man's senses won't beat that?

Seeing as you're saying the actions Wesley "would" do, what's the point? You've already decided beyond all sensible reason that Spidey won't win. You're wrong, but you won't see sense, so why should the thread continue?

-AC so bullet timing and bullet dodging arent spiderman level speed? yes, they are spiderman barely has any bullet dodging feats

and maybe not as strong hes no weakling, , and thats how vs. fights work , they are hypothetical scenarios and you havent provided any points to suggest spiderman is one fast enough to dodge bullets coming at him at near point blank range or that he could do that and manage to beat wesley....rather you come in and say spiderman wins without proof...and I'm wrong

and as pointed out wesley has his own senses on par with spidermans

Yes, a bullet that was moving in a straight line toward him. And then, he uses it to hit a man hiding behind cover, who isn't moving. Neither of those are things Spiderman does.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
Yes, a bullet that was moving in a straight line toward him. And then, he uses it to hit a man hiding behind cover, who isn't moving. Neither of those are things Spiderman does. ...no is father curved the bullet at him and he knocked it out the air

regardless even if the bullet is moving in a straight line and he curves his bullet into its path, if he can curve a bullet to hit another one he can hit spiderman, maybe not with the first one but with the next ones its possible

bullet>spiderman in terms of speed

Speed doesn't matter. Spidey's spider sense will tell him that a bullet is being fired at him. It will tell him again that it's starting to curve, and he'll move out of the way. It'll at the same time warn him that another bulelt is being fired, and so he'll just dodge both of them.

Bullets moving in linear paths won't hit Spiderman.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
Speed doesn't matter. Spidey's spider sense will tell him that a bullet is being fired at him. It will tell him again that it's starting to curve, and he'll move out of the way. It'll at the same time warn him that another bulelt is being fired, and so he'll just dodge both of them.

Bullets moving in linear paths won't hit Spiderman.

I never stated they would

what you are forgetting is spiderman air dodges, if he goes airborn hes dead and he very rarely fights on the ground

and I never stated a linear bullet would hit spiderman I stated a bullet even if moving linearly and wesley managed t ocurve a bullet into it means he could hit spiderman since this bullet would be moving faster than spiderman

Spiderman only air dodges when he's in the air. Otherwise he can dodge normally. You don't remember in the first Spiderman movie when he's on top of of Uncle ben's murder's car, and the guy is firing his pistol through the roof of the car and Spidey is dodging them? His spider sense makes his reflexes faster then bullets.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
so bullet timing and bullet dodging arent spiderman level speed? yes, they are spiderman barely has any bullet dodging feats

and maybe not as strong hes no weakling, , and thats how vs. fights work , they are hypothetical scenarios and you havent provided any points to suggest spiderman is one fast enough to dodge bullets coming at him at near point blank range or that he could do that and manage to beat wesley....rather you come in and say spiderman wins without proof...and I'm wrong

No. Vs fights are assessing two characters, their powers, and who might win based on that, or who WOULD win based on that.

It's not an eFed where you get to suggest how the scenario would play out, who would dodge what or what have you. That's stupid, cos then you can make anyone win.

That's why threads like The Hulk Vs Storm last so long, because idiots can't just come to the logical and simple conclusion of "Hulk would win, because it's that simple. End, we've saved time.".

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
and as pointed out wesley has his own senses on par with spidermans

Why are they on par with Spidey's? He has faster reactions because of adrenaline, Spider-Man's is borderline precognition.

You're being an idiot because you've clearly decided that you think Wesley wins, based on the stupid theory of "No, he'd definitely hit Spider-Man with his curving bullet bs, despite how fast Spider-Man is.".

It's a curving bullet, not a f*cking heat seeking missile. It's not going to follow him everywhere.

-AC

I'm getting sick of you coming in here and stealing my thunder, mane.

Sick of it!

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
You don't remember in the first Spiderman movie when he's on top of of Uncle ben's murder's car, and the guy is firing his pistol through the roof of the car and Spidey is dodging them? His spider sense makes his reflexes faster then bullets.

Good find.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
Spiderman only air dodges when he's in the air. Otherwise he can dodge normally. You don't remember in the first Spiderman movie when he's on top of of Uncle ben's murder's car, and the guy is firing his pistol through the roof of the car and Spidey is dodging them? His spider sense makes his reflexes faster then bullets. didnt spidemrna almost fall off the car? however the bullet curving technique is pretty much like the bullet homing in on spiderman plus its worked on people with senses just as strong as spidermans (the fraternity all of super senses)

if we compare attributes:
strength: spiderman (wesley isnt far behind though)
everything else is pretty much equal

and if you remember, when spiderman was being bombarded with green goblins pumpkins, he wasnt able to dodge all of them.

what makes you think that he'll be able to dodge al of the bullets? which are both faster and harder to see?

and theres a big difference between a random thug firing a bullet and a trained assasin.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri


No. Vs fights are assessing two characters, their powers, and who might win based on that, or who WOULD win based on that.

It's not an eFed where you get to suggest how the scenario would play out, who would dodge what or what have you. That's stupid, cos then you can make anyone win.

That's why threads like The Hulk Vs Storm last so long, because idiots can't just come to the logical and simple conclusion of "Hulk would win, because it's that simple. End, we've saved time.".



Why are they on par with Spidey's? He has faster reactions because of adrenaline, Spider-Man's is borderline precognition.

You're being an idiot because you've clearly decided that you think Wesley wins, based on the stupid theory of "No, he'd definitely hit Spider-Man with his curving bullet bs, despite how fast Spider-Man is.".

It's a curving bullet, not a f*cking heat seeking missile. It's not going to follow him everywhere.

-AC

thats the main thing its borderline,

wesleys senses not only enhance his vision to the point he can magnify of fly as if under a microscope and count its wing movements, but it increases his sense of smell and awareness, things like bullets move extremely slow to him. when spiderman first got ihs powers it showed us how he percieved things wihch was basically the world in slow motion - exactly like wesley.

and no it wouldnt follow him, however the bullet is capable of making last minute turns. as in spiderman dodges and the bullet makes a last minute turn into spiderman, even if spidermans misses that one his speed isnt enough to dodge multiple bullets like that.

Yes, we've established you are hyping Wesley up to the point that in your mind, this is a fight he can win. That much is painfully aware.

The point you're missing is; none of it makes sense. Not your reasons, nor your reasons for those reasons.

The bullet is capable of making last minute turns? What the hell is this, a Road Runner cartoon? Bullets do not make turns.

Wesley simply isn't this capable. The only way he's winning is by you claiming that he's superior to Spider-Man, which he isn't, and that his bullets are someone sentient enough to start making turns in mid air, as opposed to just curving.

You're being utterly ridiculous, dude. Seriously.

"Spider-Man will dodge, then the bullet will turn into Spider-Man.". What's the point of the thread then? If you've already decided that, why remain here? You don't care what anyone has to say, despite them being sensible, cos you've made your choice.

"The bullet turns into him.", then I says "Nah, he dodges, then dodges every other bullet.". Then you say something else, it's ridiculous. That's not what Vs fights are about, but as I said above, the thread is pointless isn't it? You've decided Wesley will win and Spider-Man can't do anything to avoid these magical bullets from the A.C.M.E. surplus warehouse, so why continue?

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yes, we've established you are hyping Wesley up to the point that in your mind, this is a fight he can win. That much is painfully aware.

The point you're missing is; none of it makes sense. Not your reasons, nor your reasons for those reasons.

The bullet is capable of making last minute turns? What the hell is this, a Road Runner cartoon? Bullets do not make turns.

Wesley simply isn't this capable. The only way he's winning is by you claiming that he's superior to Spider-Man, which he isn't, and that his bullets are someone sentient enough to start making turns in mid air, as opposed to just curving.

You're being utterly ridiculous, dude. Seriously.

"Spider-Man will dodge, then the bullet will turn into Spider-Man.". What's the point of the thread then? If you've already decided that, why remain here? You don't care what anyone has to say, despite them being sensible, cos you've made your choice.

"The bullet turns into him.", then I says "Nah, he dodges, then dodges every other bullet.". Then you say something else, it's ridiculous. That's not what Vs fights are about, but as I said above, the thread is pointless isn't it? You've decided Wesley will win and Spider-Man can't do anything to avoid these magical bullets from the A.C.M.E. surplus warehouse, so why continue?

-AC its been demonstrated that bullets fired can make last minute turns, many people did that in the movie - one man shot a bullet had it go straight and then make a 90 degree turn into a man who was hiding, another shot a bullet and had it curve a full 360 degrees

the point is spiderman cant dodge all of the bullets since wesley has the skill to make them curve when he wants. spiderman hasnt been shown to be that fast

theyre the same speed both perceive the world moving slowly, unless you have proof that spiderman is faster.

and you havent given anyway for spidemran to win....other than spiderman wins and when evidence is made against you...then theres no point to the topic

No, there's no point to the topic because you obviously created it just to continually say "NO! Wesley would win cos he has magical control over bullets!", whilst ignoring everything Spider-Man is capable of.

Somehow you believe that Spider-Man will be hit by everything, and Wesley will dodge everything Spider-Man does.

My point was, that you're an idiot. My more complexed point was; if that is your conclusion, and obviously has been from the beginning, why did you create the thread? You obviously didn't do it to see what others think, since you don't care, as you reply with "But no, Wesley would dodge all of Spidey's attacks and curve a Road Runner bullet into Spidey, who wouldn't dodge.". So why?

What is the purpose for this thread?

-AC

I concur.


Wanted, even if it is compared to a fictional wall-crawling character, is off-the-wall.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
No, there's no point to the topic because you obviously created it just to continually say "NO! Wesley would win cos he has magical control over bullets!", whilst ignoring everything Spider-Man is capable of.

Somehow you believe that Spider-Man will be hit by everything, and Wesley will dodge everything Spider-Man does.

My point was, that you're an idiot. My more complexed point was; if that is your conclusion, and obviously has been from the beginning, why did you create the thread? You obviously didn't do it to see what others think, since you don't care, as you reply with "But no, Wesley would dodge all of Spidey's attacks and curve a Road Runner bullet into Spidey, who wouldn't dodge.". So why?

What is the purpose for this thread?

-AC I made the topic because I thought it would be a fun debate...no one has really proved spiderman would win I was going to take the side of who was ever losing because I thought they would be fairly matched up.

if you cant prove spiderman can win, why post?

That's not the issue.

Everyone who has knowledge of the two knows he can and would win, because he's simply superior in every discernable way.

You have decided he won't, why? Simply because you've decided Wesley will do everything first and Spidey won't avoid it. This is, needless to say, Rain Man retarded.

Fun debate? What fun is to be had? These threads are to debate a subject to see who we think would win. You already know who you believe would win, so why did you need anyone else's opinion since they obviously matter so little?

-AC

What the hell...

The trajectory of the bullet (curving or straight) is pre-determined by the shooter when he fires the gun.

Wesley does not have some kind of mental link to the bullets to cause them to change direction in mid-air, if thats what you're implying.

Originally posted by Placidity
What the hell...

The trajectory of the bullet (curving or straight) is pre-determined by the shooter when he fires the gun.

Wesley does not have some kind of mental link to the bullets to cause them to change direction in mid-air, if thats what you're implying. no, I know that, but they can make last minute turns, which is a strategy that would be effective

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
That's not the issue.

Everyone who has knowledge of the two knows he can and would win, because he's simply superior in every discernable way.

You have decided he won't, why? Simply because you've decided Wesley will do everything first and Spidey won't avoid it. This is, needless to say, Rain Man retarded.

Fun debate? What fun is to be had? These threads are to debate a subject to see who we think would win. You already know who you believe would win, so why did you need anyone else's opinion since they obviously matter so little?

-AC
...no, spiderman isnt superior in every way, they are equal in both speed as well as reflexs/senses

and seeing as how in a standard match they have a good distance between them, wesley has a lot of time to fire on spiderman

and no they do matter...howevr stating a character would win without evidence is a bias claim:

"Batman can beat Thor because he's cooler!" That's an example of how not to debate. We would like to see the rationale behind any claims that one character can beat the other rather than a claim based on popularity and subjective bias.
Also, we insist that all claims be backed up by evidence from canon sources. If you claim that Spiderman is stronger than Superman, then you have to prove it.

if yo ubelieve spidemran is superior you have to prove it

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
...no, spiderman isnt superior in every way, they are equal in both speed as well as reflexs/senses

Wesley's abilites stem from massive, abnormal adrenaline boosts which enhance his reaction speed. Spider-Man's is actually precognition, more or less. As stated in the movie.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
and seeing as how in a standard match they have a good distance between them, wesley has a lot of time to fire on spiderman

Spider-Man will obviously just stand there doing the "Spider-Man has made you gay!" dance then, will he? No. What you fail to see is that you are just biased. You assume Wesley will do everything first and Spider-Man won't. Wesley's attacks will definitely work, Spidey's won't. It's dumb, because then what's the point? Not only are you wrong, but it's purposeless.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
and no they do matter...howevr stating a character would win without evidence is a bias claim:

"Batman can beat Thor because he's cooler!" That's an example of how not to debate. We would like to see the rationale behind any claims that one character can beat the other rather than a claim based on popularity and subjective bias.

I've not seen anyone say Spidey would win because he's cooler, I've seen everyone, including me, give you legit reasons. You just dislike them, because you feel that your scenario is somehow factual, and attempt to debate with it.

"No, Wesley would do this first, curve a bullet and then Spidey might dodge, but there'd be many more, and they'd chase him.".

No, you're being retarded.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
Also, we insist that all claims be backed up by evidence from canon sources. If you claim that Spiderman is stronger than Superman, then you have to prove it.

if yo ubelieve spidemran is superior you have to prove it

We have all proven it. He has dodged bullets, his powers of sense are superior because they are pre-cognitive, not just faster reaction times. If a bull is chasing me, I run faster than normal because of adrenaline, that's basically what Wesley's abilities are. Spider-Man's senses tell him that something is going to happen before it happens, not just giving him the ability to deal with it faster AFTER it happens.

He's more agile (If you argue this point, you're ridiculous), he's obviously stronger, and he has better senses. Wesley can't win, but you've already decided he would, and you're the only one.

-AC

Curved bullet or not, Spidey has SPIDER SENSE.

End of discussion.

He doesn't seem to get that.

-AC

Dually noted.

Kinda like a Jedi knight's precog.

Jedi precog is better though.

Well, Spider-Man's isn't like, I dunno, Yoda.

He can't see into the distant future.

-AC

Hey who would win in a lightsabre battle - Spiderman with some sabre combat training or a Rookie Jedi.

No force powers allowed.


Oh, just to pretend I'm on-topic - Spiderman snaps Wesley's neck.

Originally posted by Placidity
Hey who would win in a lightsabre battle - Spiderman with some sabre combat training or a Rookie Jedi.

No force powers allowed.


Oh, just to pretend I'm on-topic - Spiderman snaps Wesley's neck. Since no force means said Jedi could not amp his physical capabilities with the Force...Spiderman.

Originally posted by Impediment
Curved bullet or not, Spidey has SPIDER SENSE.

End of discussion. ...you dont seem tpo understand wesley has a sense just as effective, he to like spidermansees the world move in slow motion and can use it to amplify things that are 100 yards away and make it like they are right in front of ihm, he percieves bullets as moving extremely slow, which is exactly how spiderman percieves the world.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Wesley's abilites stem from massive, abnormal adrenaline boosts which enhance his reaction speed. Spider-Man's is actually precognition, more or less. As stated in the movie.



Spider-Man will obviously just stand there doing the "Spider-Man has made you gay!" dance then, will he? No. What you fail to see is that you are just biased. You assume Wesley will do everything first and Spider-Man won't. Wesley's attacks will definitely work, Spidey's won't. It's dumb, because then what's the point? Not only are you wrong, but it's purposeless.



I've not seen anyone say Spidey would win because he's cooler, I've seen everyone, including me, give you legit reasons. You just dislike them, because you feel that your scenario is somehow factual, and attempt to debate with it.

"No, Wesley would do this first, curve a bullet and then Spidey might dodge, but there'd be many more, and they'd chase him.".

No, you're being retarded.



We have all proven it. He has dodged bullets, his powers of sense are superior because they are pre-cognitive, not just faster reaction times. If a bull is chasing me, I run faster than normal because of adrenaline, that's basically what Wesley's abilities are. Spider-Man's senses tell him that something is going to happen before it happens, not just giving him the ability to deal with it faster AFTER it happens.

He's more agile (If you argue this point, you're ridiculous), he's obviously stronger, and he has better senses. Wesley can't win, but you've already decided he would, and you're the only one.

-AC
slight precognition as in a second before or so, however when spidemran first uses his powers and we see the world from his eyes it only shows that the world moves in slow motion for him when he uses his powers, and wesley can control his abilities and give himself an adrenaline boost whenever he wants...did you mis that in the movie?

no I never said spiderman would stand there, merely even if spiderman manages to dodge a bullet the next would would be able to hit him,

and since they move around the same speed, if spiderman gets closer it'll get harder and harder to dodge, against the green goblin he wasnt able to dodge all of the green goblins pumpkins what makes yo uthink this will be any different?

and no you have given barely any evidence:
hes dodged bullets from a random thug,
who do yo uhtink has more accuracy a random thug who is shooting an enemy he can barely see and has little to no practice shooting to begin with, or an assasin who can shoot the wings off a fly?

who stated his spidersense to be like precognition? a scientist who was amazed by the spiders reaction time, however when we see the world from spidermans eyes we dont see him having precognition merely we see the world moving i nslow motion, he however does have enhanced awareness. you havent given proof tha the has senses any greater than wesleys especialy since they have demonstrated the exact same capabilities with it. Wesley is able to bullet dodge at near point blank range. as is spiderman

spidermans spider sense isnt giving him a big advantage at all, and you havent proven it does either.


bullet dodging - wesley bullet dodges quite easily, when focused he cant be hit by bullets (he was dodgin bullets fro mtrain assasins as well and wasnt hit once) spidemran wasnt able to dodge all of the green goblins pumpkins, which move much slower than bullets. Unless you have proof that the spider sense gives him precognition (it does in the comics, but in the movie it seems merely to slow the world down for him) then they have the same reaction time.

Wesley's sense isn't like Spider-Man's. It's increased reaction time, not precognition.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
slight precognition as in a second before or so, however when spidemran first uses his powers and we see the world from his eyes it only shows that the world moves in slow motion for him when he uses his powers, and wesley can control his abilities and give himself an adrenaline boost whenever he wants...did you mis that in the movie?

It's not a second or so, for one thing.

Second, I didn't say Wesley couldn't do it when he wants, I said that all it is, is speedy reaction time. Spidey's is precog, what about that do you have trouble grasping?

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
no I never said spiderman would stand there, merely even if spiderman manages to dodge a bullet the next would would be able to hit him,

No, he'd dodge it. Then he'd hit Wesley with enough force to kill him.

There. There, let's see your counter, if this is how we're gonna debate.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
and since they move around the same speed, if spiderman gets closer it'll get harder and harder to dodge, against the green goblin he wasnt able to dodge all of the green goblins pumpkins what makes yo uthink this will be any different?

Why do you assume that Spider-Man is going to be the one who has to be dodging and running? Why do you think that Wesley is not going to have to try to survive either? What do you think Spidey is going to be doing in this fight, tap dancing? Seriously, you're being so one-sided.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
and no you have given barely any evidence:
hes dodged bullets from a random thug,

Bullets are bullets. They travel fast no matter what the gun.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
who do yo uhtink has more accuracy a random thug who is shooting an enemy he can barely see and has little to no practice shooting to begin with, or an assasin who can shoot the wings off a fly?

It doesn't matter, he can dodge bullets, as we've seen. It doesn't matter who fires them.

And shooting the wings off a fly is impossible and a bit ridiculous even in a movie. A bullet is too large to actually be able to separate a fly's wings from it's body with any kind of accuracy.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
who stated his spidersense to be like precognition? a scientist who was amazed by the spiders reaction time, however when we see the world from spidermans eyes we dont see him having precognition merely we see the world moving i nslow motion, he however does have enhanced awareness. you havent given proof tha the has senses any greater than wesleys especialy since they have demonstrated the exact same capabilities with it. Wesley is able to bullet dodge at near point blank range. as is spiderman

His SPIDER-SENSE IS precogition, that is what it is famous for, and given that the spider that bit him had it, he has it to.

The fact is, the slow-down scene was not a depiction of his spider-sense, it was a depiction of how different things seem as Spider-Man. It wasn't real time, it was for the viewer. In real time, all that happened in about two seconds.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
spidermans spider sense isnt giving him a big advantage at all, and you havent proven it does either.

I have, you just haven't accepted it because you want Wesley to win. You've gimped this fight so that Spider-Man has to dodge and survive while Wesley gets to do what he wants.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
bullet dodging - wesley bullet dodges quite easily, when focused he cant be hit by bullets (he was dodgin bullets fro mtrain assasins as well and wasnt hit once) spidemran wasnt able to dodge all of the green goblins pumpkins, which move much slower than bullets. Unless you have proof that the spider sense gives him precognition (it does in the comics, but in the movie it seems merely to slow the world down for him) then they have the same reaction time.

His spider-sense didn't actually slow down the world for him, that was just a cinematic technique designed to show the fact that he has changed. It wasn't a power.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Wesley's sense isn't like Spider-Man's. It's increased reaction time, not precognition.



It's not a second or so, for one thing.

Second, I didn't say Wesley couldn't do it when he wants, I said that all it is, is speedy reaction time. Spidey's is precog, what about that do you have trouble grasping?



No, he'd dodge it. Then he'd hit Wesley with enough force to kill him.

There. There, let's see your counter, if this is how we're gonna debate.



Why do you assume that Spider-Man is going to be the one who has to be dodging and running? Why do you think that Wesley is not going to have to try to survive either? What do you think Spidey is going to be doing in this fight, tap dancing? Seriously, you're being so one-sided.



Bullets are bullets. They travel fast no matter what the gun.



It doesn't matter, he can dodge bullets, as we've seen. It doesn't matter who fires them.

And shooting the wings off a fly is impossible and a bit ridiculous even in a movie. A bullet is too large to actually be able to separate a fly's wings from it's body with any kind of accuracy.



His SPIDER-SENSE IS precogition, that is what it is famous for, and given that the spider that bit him had it, he has it to.

The fact is, the slow-down scene was not a depiction of his spider-sense, it was a depiction of how different things seem as Spider-Man. It wasn't real time, it was for the viewer. In real time, all that happened in about two seconds.



I have, you just haven't accepted it because you want Wesley to win. You've gimped this fight so that Spider-Man has to dodge and survive while Wesley gets to do what he wants.



His spider-sense didn't actually slow down the world for him, that was just a cinematic technique designed to show the fact that he has changed. It wasn't a power.

-AC

spiderman in the comics yes has limited precognition, he didnt show that in the movie, lots of characters are different in their movies.

can you give me specific proof to show he has precog? the only time we see the world from spidermans eyes it merely shows the world slowed down for him, meaning he would just has enhanced senses, exactly like wesley

and how is a thug blasting a gun at a target he cant see proving spiderman can dodge bullets? Give an instance where a thug has had spiderman in plain sights and fired a bullet. as far as I remember hes either swung around a thug in the darkness and the thug merely fires bullets at his shadows, or i nthat car scene he cant even see spiderman and is just firing through the roof to try and hit him. that doesnt prove spiderman ca ndodge bullets straight up, much less ones that ca be curved into him.

as for speed bot hhave been sohwn to have super speed, wsley runs through a room dodging bullets and nailing every assasin in one shot)

and if you remember the first man had enough speed/strength to ru nand jump from one building to another which is pretty muc hequal to spidermans leaping ability (spiderman does have greater mobility in the air though)

wesley has also shown he is one a better fighter than spiderman, and can use his guns in melee situations

use movie instances to prove:
his spider sense is precog and not merely enhanced senses
he has dodged bullets in a straight fight
he is significantly faster than wesley

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
spiderman in the comics yes has limited precognition, he didnt show that in the movie, lots of characters are different in their movies.

can you give me specific proof to show he has precog? the only time we see the world from spidermans eyes it merely shows the world slowed down for him, meaning he would just has enhanced senses, exactly like wesley

and how is a thug blasting a gun at a target he cant see proving spiderman can dodge bullets? Give an instance where a thug has had spiderman in plain sights and fired a bullet. as far as I remember hes either swung around a thug in the darkness and the thug merely fires bullets at his shadows, or i nthat car scene he cant even see spiderman and is just firing through the roof to try and hit him. that doesnt prove spiderman ca ndodge bullets straight up, much less ones that ca be curved into him.

Why are you hanging onto all this curve bs? The bullets are not missiles, they are not lasting. They're not gonna be fired and begin doing acrobatics while they chase Spidey around the area.

As stated before, he doesn't have a mental link with the bullets, so this mid-air directional change bs is just nonsense. You're acting like Spidey is going to have to dodge bullets from Trowa Barton's Heavyarms gundam or something. He's not, it's a man who can only ever carry a gun or two.

Besides, Spidey doesn't necessarily have to dodge bullets, he can get to places that Wesley can't, and he has web, which you're also ignoring in favour of Wesley. Oh, wait, but I suppose Wesley gets to dodge that, right?

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
as for speed bot hhave been sohwn to have super speed, wsley runs through a room dodging bullets and nailing every assasin in one shot)

He was not dodging bullets, come on. That was ancillary cannon fodder syndrome. He was killing them in one shot, running through the room and not getting hit because that was one of his movie badass moments. We have learned throughout history that henchmen are shit at shooting guns.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
and if you remember the first man had enough speed/strength to ru nand jump from one building to another which is pretty muc hequal to spidermans leaping ability (spiderman does have greater mobility in the air though)

Spider-Man has greater ability than to jump from one building to another, he has jumped greater distances in the movies.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
wesley has also shown he is one a better fighter than spiderman, and can use his guns in melee situations

So? Spider-Man will (Yeah, I'm using your tactic) web his guns away from him. Then what? Your bullet bs is gone.

Oh, but let me guess, Wesley wouldn't let him. Yeah, yeah. Wesley won't let Spidey do anything, yet Spider-Man is now some guy walking around with a "Please shoot me!" sign.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
use movie instances to prove:
his spider sense is precog and not merely enhanced senses

Goblin's glider. It's entirely silent, yet he avoids it.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
he has dodged bullets in a straight fight

The car thing. The part where he stops the van being robbed and backflips to knock the guys out.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
he is significantly faster than wesley

Because Spider-Man is known as being one of the fastest humans in fiction, unless you're Flash or Superman.

So now you can answer my questions:

What is stopping Spidey from getting to Wesley first with HIS powers and HIS speed, HIS strength, and winning this fight?

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Why are you hanging onto all this curve bs? The bullets are not missiles, they are not lasting. They're not gonna be fired and begin doing acrobatics while they chase Spidey around the area.

As stated before, he doesn't have a mental link with the bullets, so this mid-air directional change bs is just nonsense. You're acting like Spidey is going to have to dodge bullets from Trowa Barton's Heavyarms gundam or something. He's not, it's a man who can only ever carry a gun or two.

Besides, Spidey doesn't necessarily have to dodge bullets, he can get to places that Wesley can't, and he has web, which you're also ignoring in favour of Wesley. Oh, wait, but I suppose Wesley gets to dodge that, right?



He was not dodging bullets, come on. That was ancillary cannon fodder syndrome. He was killing them in one shot, running through the room and not getting hit because that was one of his movie badass moments. We have learned throughout history that henchmen are shit at shooting guns.



Spider-Man has greater ability than to jump from one building to another, he has jumped greater distances in the movies.



So? Spider-Man will (Yeah, I'm using your tactic) web his guns away from him. Then what? Your bullet bs is gone.

Oh, but let me guess, Wesley wouldn't let him. Yeah, yeah. Wesley won't let Spidey do anything, yet Spider-Man is now some guy walking around with a "Please shoot me!" sign.



Goblin's glider. It's entirely silent, yet he avoids it.



The car thing. The part where he stops the van being robbed and backflips to knock the guys out.



Because Spider-Man is known as being one of the fastest humans in fiction, unless you're Flash or Superman.

So now you can answer my questions:

What is stopping Spidey from getting to Wesley first with HIS powers and HIS speed, HIS strength, and winning this fight?

-AC

no but multiple bullets can, , and it is somthing spiderman isnt used to nor is he ready for, as in if spiderma jumps up to dodge the first bullet a second one can be used to curve in to the air. I never said wesley had a mental link with the bullet only that he descides when/weher/how they curve when he shoots the bullet.

and what exactly is spidemran going to do with the web?

....they werent henchmen all of the mwere members of the fraternity meaning they were trained wit hweapons. and yes he was dodgin the bullets we was running throug hthe center of the room ddoging and blasting other bullets out of the air. The whole scene was to show you he had become one of the best if not the best member of the fraternity.

when he first got his powers he showed jumping from one building to another (and using a bullet when the distance was to far) and care to mentio nthese instances of greater jumping ability?

what tactic am I using, a proving the point that a curved bullet would both surprise and wound spiderman because he has shown before he cant dodge a series of fast projectiles (like against the green goblin) and his webs move significantly slower than bullets as well

silent to a normal human,
http://youtube.com/watch?v=vvQavly7qnE

....how is that completely silent? spiderman hears: the blade shoting out, 2nd it crashing through the wood, 3rd it rocket boosters at is accelrates at him.

so again what proof do you have he has precog?

the car thing. you mean where the thugs are shooting at him throug hthe hood of the car and have absolutely no idea where he is? so a thug shooting blindly at spiderman proves he can dodge bullets? no.


in his comics. we're using spiderman i nhis movies, and saying hes one of the fastest humans, without proof from the movies is both biased and baseless all we have is this:
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which shows spiderman merely has increased awareness in his movies and sees the world in slow motion, similar to wesley(not many videos of scenes since the movie hasnt come out sorry, check out around 1:10):

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Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
no but multiple bullets can, , and it is somthing spiderman isnt used to nor is he ready for, as in if spiderma jumps up to dodge the first bullet a second one can be used to curve in to the air. I never said wesley had a mental link with the bullet only that he descides when/weher/how they curve when he shoots the bullet.

What are you TALKING about? He cannot curve them in mid air, he has to do the motion with the gun. He cannot do this in rapid enough succession that it's going to cover Spider-Man in such a hail of bullets that he cannot dodge them, it's just not gonna happen.

He doesn't curve them in mid air, he swings his arm, big deal.

Besides, the biggest curve it ever did was to get that guy sitting in the chair. That's not a rapid change of direction as you would have people believe, and the man sitting in the chair is not Spider-Man. Firing a gun at a Spider-Man who doesn't want to be hit means one thing; you won't hit him.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
and what exactly is spidemran going to do with the web?

Oh for crying out loud. What, so bullets can definitely hit Spider-Man, but continually blasting him with web will get dodged? He's not strong enough to break out of he is caught under enough of it.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
....they werent henchmen all of the mwere members of the fraternity meaning they were trained wit hweapons. and yes he was dodgin the bullets we was running throug hthe center of the room ddoging and blasting other bullets out of the air. The whole scene was to show you he had become one of the best if not the best member of the fraternity.

Yes, and why? Because that's the movie. If he had ended up getting caught with a head shot, his slow-down scene of badassery wouldn't seem half as good, would it? Every hero has a scene where they gun down a million other trained guys, but these guys usually have Stormtrooper syndrome. It happened in Equilibrium too.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
when he first got his powers he showed jumping from one building to another (and using a bullet when the distance was to far) and care to mentio nthese instances of greater jumping ability?

He jumps through the air at distances that zoom past most of the buildings around him, so he obviously has the ability to jump over more than one.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
what tactic am I using, a proving the point that a curved bullet would both surprise and wound spiderman because he has shown before he cant dodge a series of fast projectiles (like against the green goblin) and his webs move significantly slower than bullets as well

No, you're not proving anything. You are proving why you believe that would happen, not that it would. You are INSISTING it would, which is dumb, and defeats the point of Vs fights. You don't KNOW how one person would attack, or how the other would react, so the point of Vs fights is to weigh up abilities and then decide who might/would win based on that. Not "He'd do this, then Spider-Man would get hit with this.". Says who?

I say Spider-Man would get Wesley first. How do you counter that? Even if he wasn't faster, they'd be as fast as each other, so what's saying he won't blind Wesley with web and then continually web him to the point that he can't break out, cos it'd be a constant stream of web, then Spider-Man would kill him.

There, how do you counter that? "NO! WESLEY IS FASTER! HE'D DO IT ALL FIRST!".

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
silent to a normal human,
http://youtube.com/watch?v=vvQavly7qnE

....how is that completely silent? spiderman hears: the blade shoting out, 2nd it crashing through the wood, 3rd it rocket boosters at is accelrates at him.

In the space of what? Point is, the video proves he knew it was going to happen, and it proves he's ridiculously fast.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
so again what proof do you have he has precog?

That video, and the fact that it says so in the movie, watch it.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
the car thing. you mean where the thugs are shooting at him throug hthe hood of the car and have absolutely no idea where he is? so a thug shooting blindly at spiderman proves he can dodge bullets? no.

Was he not dodging the bullets?

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
in his comics. we're using spiderman i nhis movies, and saying hes one of the fastest humans, without proof from the movies is both biased and baseless all we have is this:

which shows spiderman merely has increased awareness in his movies and sees the world in slow motion, similar to wesley(not many videos of scenes since the movie hasnt come out sorry, check out around 1:10):



You don't get it. Those slow-downs are not part of their powers, the slow-downs are for the benefit of US, so we can see just what is going on. It's now how THEY see it, it's how we HAVE to see it because it's too fast.

Again, shooting the wings off a fly with a bullet thicker than would work is a stretch of the belief too far anyway.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
What are you TALKING about? He cannot curve them in mid air, he has to do the motion with the gun. He cannot do this in rapid enough succession that it's going to cover Spider-Man in such a hail of bullets that he cannot dodge them, it's just not gonna happen.

He doesn't curve them in mid air, he swings his arm, big deal.

Besides, the biggest curve it ever did was to get that guy sitting in the chair. That's not a rapid change of direction as you would have people believe, and the man sitting in the chair is not Spider-Man. Firing a gun at a Spider-Man who doesn't want to be hit means one thing; you won't hit him.



Oh for crying out loud. What, so bullets can definitely hit Spider-Man, but continually blasting him with web will get dodged? He's not strong enough to break out of he is caught under enough of it.



Yes, and why? Because that's the movie. If he had ended up getting caught with a head shot, his slow-down scene of badassery wouldn't seem half as good, would it? Every hero has a scene where they gun down a million other trained guys, but these guys usually have Stormtrooper syndrome. It happened in Equilibrium too.



He jumps through the air at distances that zoom past most of the buildings around him, so he obviously has the ability to jump over more than one.



No, you're not proving anything. You are proving why you believe that would happen, not that it would. You are INSISTING it would, which is dumb, and defeats the point of Vs fights. You don't KNOW how one person would attack, or how the other would react, so the point of Vs fights is to weigh up abilities and then decide who might/would win based on that. Not "He'd do this, then Spider-Man would get hit with this.". Says who?

I say Spider-Man would get Wesley first. How do you counter that? Even if he wasn't faster, they'd be as fast as each other, so what's saying he won't blind Wesley with web and then continually web him to the point that he can't break out, cos it'd be a constant stream of web, then Spider-Man would kill him.

There, how do you counter that? "NO! WESLEY IS FASTER! HE'D DO IT ALL FIRST!".



In the space of what? Point is, the video proves he knew it was going to happen, and it proves he's ridiculously fast.



That video, and the fact that it says so in the movie, watch it.



Was he not dodging the bullets?



You don't get it. Those slow-downs are not part of their powers, the slow-downs are for the benefit of US, so we can see just what is going on. It's now how THEY see it, it's how we HAVE to see it because it's too fast.

Again, shooting the wings off a fly with a bullet thicker than would work is a stretch of the belief too far anyway.

-AC

....yes he can, if you watched the movie, that was one of the first curved bullet feats, the man shot the bullet straight and it curved 90 degrees last minute.

after his training wesleys became the best of the fraternity, and you still havent given an proof that spiderman can dodge a bullet straight up

he doesnt have to be strong enoug hseeing as he carries a knife, or he could shoot the webbing off him. and webbing<bullets in terms of speed

except for the fact wesley had dmeonstrated many times before that to have bullet fast reaction timing and dodging/, so iunlike other movies, this isnt an example of PIS. such as when he shot his fathers bullet out of the air.

and you mean when he is webslining and catapults himself through the air...which isn't jumping.

again:


wesleys guns give him a large advantage seeing as he with the guns would be able to attack first, spiderman cant reach wesley before he fires his first shot unless you somehow think spiderman moves at the speed of sound. no the reason Im stating wesley can make the first move is because he has the faster weapon.



..... the vidoe in know way proves spiderman knew what was going to happen, he heard the blades coming out and the glider rocketing towards him making a lot of noise at it did it, him dodgin wasnt precog it was common sense. his heightened senses (as demonstrated i nthe second video) gave him awareness of how fast it was approaching and he dodged it. that in no way shows he has precog

you mean where the scientist says it ALMOST like a form of precognition, and ofcourse has no idea what the spiders senses are actually like. and when we see it first hand it is shown to be simply heightened awareness, not precognition. youre going to believe one scientist who has a theory that it might be precognition.....over what hte movie actually shows us his abilities are like?


barely seeing as one the thug couldnt see him, shot blindly hoping that it would hit a foe he couldnt see and only got 1 or 2 shots off (which missed) before spiderman crashed through the car window

and no i nwanted the slow downs occur multiple times when his power is out of control and ihs senses become more aware, he takes in more details which is why he needs the pills. and you dont know what kind of bullets the fraternity use seeing as they get them specially made it is entirely possible they got a bullet small enough or that wesley erely use the bullet to slip the wing off sing it requires little force for the wings to fall off.

He won't shoot the webbing, because he has a limited amount of ammo, Spidey doesn't have limited webbing.

He wouldn't be able to use a knife, since he'd be webbed. So there, that's a scenario for you.

Spider-Man waits out of range, uses web to snare him, keeps webbing him up and then kills him when he can't do anything.

How's that? No, that's stupid, because that's not how Vs fights go. You've already DECIDED that anything Spidey does, Wesley will dodge, or do first. So again, what's the point of the thread? Nobody can prove you wrong even if we have facts, because you won't admit to being wrong. So all you will do is "Nah, Wesley would do this.".

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
He won't shoot the webbing, because he has a limited amount of ammo, Spidey doesn't have limited webbing.

He wouldn't be able to use a knife, since he'd be webbed. So there, that's a scenario for you.

Spider-Man waits out of range, uses web to snare him, keeps webbing him up and then kills him when he can't do anything.

How's that? No, that's stupid, because that's not how Vs fights go. You've already DECIDED that anything Spidey does, Wesley will dodge, or do first. So again, what's the point of the thread? Nobody can prove you wrong even if we have facts, because you won't admit to being wrong. So all you will do is "Nah, Wesley would do this.".

-AC no I havent decided that, wesleys can dodge bullets, so why couldnt he dodge webbing it moves to slow to hit him, thats accessing his abilities, not a scenario. wesley has the faster form of attack so ofcourse hed be the first to attack.

and youre acting as if spiderman would be able t ododge a series of bullets curving at him, when you havent proven he can bullet ddge, and even if he can you havent proven he has precog, meaning wesley most likely would be able to take out spiderman in his first shots.

I think wesley should win this fight 6-7/10

Thanks for walking smack into my trap.

If you say Wesley would win six or seven out of 10, why would Wesley then lose a few of the 10?

If this is how badly you think Wesley will walk this fight, he'd surely win all of them, right? If it's THAT easy for him. Subconsciously you obviously know that Spider-Man has what it takes to win, then, and you're just saying Wesley would win more cos you like him. So we move onto the next pitfall.

Why is it out of 10? Furthermore, if we've established, BY that score, that Spider-Man can beat him at least three times (Bullshit, but let's roll with it), why won't he be able to beat him if they fight just once? Why will Wesley DEFINITELY win one fight, or roughtly about six fights? Why can't he win all of them if it's that easy?

Because the bottom line is, you know it's bs. You know Wesley doesn't win this fight, and even if he does, it's by no means anywhere near the level of ease you are suggesting, or you wouldn't have just said what you did.

Thanks for walking into the web, pardon the pun. You just revealed that your argument has more holes than a sieve bulletshield.

-AC

Your logic's a bit messed up there, bro.

I thought Wanted sucked.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
Your logic's a bit messed up there, bro.

If the best he can say is that the odds are against Spider-Man, then fine, if that's what he oddly believes.

If he is promoting Wesley as being able to beat Spider-Man this easily, then he surely must be able to do it all the time, but obviously he doesn't believe so. That means we've established he feels Spidey can beat him, right? Precisely.

So, if we know that, why is he dead against anyone saying Spidey would beat Wesley in one fight? What's to say this ONE wouldn't be one of the three or four he'd win out of 10?

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Thanks for walking smack into my trap.

If you say Wesley would win six or seven out of 10, why would Wesley then lose a few of the 10?

If this is how badly you think Wesley will walk this fight, he'd surely win all of them, right? If it's THAT easy for him. Subconsciously you obviously know that Spider-Man has what it takes to win, then, and you're just saying Wesley would win more cos you like him. So we move onto the next pitfall.

Why is it out of 10? Furthermore, if we've established, BY that score, that Spider-Man can beat him at least three times (Bullshit, but let's roll with it), why won't he be able to beat him if they fight just once? Why will Wesley DEFINITELY win one fight, or roughtly about six fights? Why can't he win all of them if it's that easy?

Because the bottom line is, you know it's bs. You know Wesley doesn't win this fight, and even if he does, it's by no means anywhere near the level of ease you are suggesting, or you wouldn't have just said what you did.

Thanks for walking into the web, pardon the pun. You just revealed that your argument has more holes than a sieve bulletshield.

-AC
what trap? im not stupid ofcourse there a few scenarios in which spiderman could wun, this is by no means a stomp. I never stated once it would easy for wesley. I merely believe wesley would take te slight majority due to his guns

they are ver even and there are ways spiderman could take a couple...the times out of ten system is from the comicbook forum because in any given fight there are multiple ways in which it can end.....check out some of the other vs. forums here it'll help you a lot

That still doesn't actually counter what I said.

-AC

Whats a sieve bulletshield?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
That still doesn't actually counter what I said.

-AC ...then yo udidnt comprehend it. i na vs. fight ou ackowledge that there are multiple ways a fight can go, one character wont beat the other 100% of the time, so yo utake an estimate of who would win more out of 10, I believe wesley would take a larger percentage of their fights.

Yes, and now re-read what I said to find out why that shows a hole in your logic.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yes, and now re-read what I said to find out why that shows a hole in your logic.

-AC ...yes...and your logic is full of holes, youre not looking at this ias if it were one fight, youre looking at the chaaracters overall, and since there are multiple scenarios we use #/10 just to show the probablility that one character would win, and the odds are in favor of wesley

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
...yes...and your logic is full of holes, youre not looking at this ias if it were one fight, youre looking at the chaaracters overall, and since there are multiple scenarios we use #/10 just to show the probablility that one character would win, and the odds are in favor of wesley

You still don't actually understand what I've said.

If you believe the odds are in his favour, fine, but they are just odds. If we've established Spider-Man can win in your eyes, then why do you not concede to the fact that if they fight once, Wesley might lose?

You obviously haven't, since you think it's as easy a fight as "BANG! I SHOT YOU!".

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You still don't actually understand what I've said.

If you believe the odds are in his favour, fine, but they are just odds. If we've established Spider-Man can win in your eyes, then why do you not concede to the fact that if they fight once, Wesley might lose?

You obviously haven't, since you think it's as easy a fight as "BANG! I SHOT YOU!".

-AC ....the fact that I gave wesleys 6-7/10 means I do believe spiderman could take some.....I even stated that:

What? Listen, read what I'm saying or don't bother replying to me.

Yes, you said that if there were 10 fights, Spidey would take a few. My point was, if we know he can win some, why is ONE fight such a foregone conclusion for you? Before we got into this, the way you were describing the fight in Wesley's favour more or less gave Spidey no chance to win.

So if we know he can, why is Wesley DEFINITELY going to win the one fight they have?

If you need it explained further, I'm done with you.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
What? Listen, read what I'm saying or don't bother replying to me.

Yes, you said that if there were 10 fights, Spidey would take a few. My point was, if we know he can win some, why is ONE fight such a foregone conclusion for you? Before we got into this, the way you were describing the fight in Wesley's favour more or less gave Spidey no chance to win.

So if we know he can, why is Wesley DEFINITELY going to win the one fight they have?

If you need it explained further, I'm done with you.

-AC .....you dont seem to understand how this systme works, seriously you should spend time in the comic vs. section t ofully grasp it.

we arent looking at this as one fight, we're looking at ti in total and we see who is more prrobably to win, ofcourse there is a chance spidemran can win but a majority of the time wesley would.

If it's a fight to the death, why would they fight twice?

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
.....you dont seem to understand how this systme works, seriously you should spend time in the comic vs. section t ofully grasp it.

I more or less owned that forum from the minute I stepped onto this site back in '04, so I suggest knowing your place before you go there.

Admittedly, this was back when people there had enough common sense to ignore shit threads and let them die, as opposed to entertaining such drivel as Dr. Doom Vs Storm for 300 pages. Before all these anal rules pretty much sucked the fun out of the place.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
we arent looking at this as one fight, we're looking at ti in total and we see who is more prrobably to win, ofcourse there is a chance spidemran can win but a majority of the time wesley would.

That doesn't make sense, even still. The way you proposed Wesley's win suggests that there is no way Spidey could win, you were that biased. If it's that easy for Wesley, why would he not win them all?

If it's not that easy, why did you spend the last eternity proposing that all he'd have to do is shoot Spidey, and that this would definitely happen?

-AC

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
If it's a fight to the death, why would they fight twice? its how you determine probability, its not that hard to understand

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I more or less owned that forum from the minute I stepped onto this site back in '04, so I suggest knowing your place before you go there.

Admittedly, this was back when people there had enough common sense to ignore shit threads and let them die, as opposed to entertaining such drivel as Dr. Doom Vs Storm for 300 pages. Before all these anal rules pretty much sucked the fun out of the place.



That doesn't make sense, even still. The way you proposed Wesley's win suggests that there is no way Spidey could win, you were that biased. If it's that easy for Wesley, why would he not win them all?

If it's not that easy, why did you spend the last eternity proposing that all he'd have to do is shoot Spidey, and that this would definitely happen?

-AC ...you mean rules that keep people like yo ufrom making bias claims wihtout backing them up...such as spidermans precog which you have still yet to prove.

and I challenge you to find a post in which I state it would be easy for wesley/spiderman wouldnt have a chance.

No, I do mean anal rules that give the opinions of idiots more credit than they're worth.

Pretty much every post you've made has suggested it would be easy for Wesley.

"He'd just shoot him and Spidey wouldn't dodge." is the summary of your opinion here.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
No, I do mean anal rules that give the opinions of idiots more credit than they're worth.

Pretty much every post you've made has suggested it would be easy for Wesley.

"He'd just shoot him and Spidey wouldn't dodge." is the summary of your opinion here.

-AC ... , now go find where I said that.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
... , now go find where I said that.

He doesn't need to.



The summary of your opinion. Not a quote taken from you.



For me, Spider-man wins, 10/10. Too many abilities that Spider-man has gives him the game. You cannot catch him by surprise, his web is strong enough to witshand bullets (web shield, anyone?), plus all his strength and speed is above any human being (being a mutant), not to mention the fact he's also quite very smart.

The only... only way for Gibson to win is hope that Spider-man loses his powers... or be Venom.

Originally posted by demoneyeslaharl
He doesn't need to.



The summary of your opinion. Not a quote taken from you.



For me, Spider-man wins, 10/10. Too many abilities that Spider-man has gives him the game. You cannot catch him by surprise, his web is strong enough to witshand bullets (web shield, anyone?), plus all his strength and speed is above any human being (being a mutant), not to mention the fact he's also quite very smart.

The only... only way for Gibson to win is hope that Spider-man loses his powers... or be Venom. not at al, since iN ever suggested spiderman wouldnt dodge, nice job

andwhen has spidermans webbing been shown in the movies to be stronger than bullets

in the comics, spiderman trumps this easily, feat for feat thoug hwesley and spiderman are quite equal

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
not at al, since iN ever suggested spiderman wouldnt dodge, nice job

andwhen has spidermans webbing been shown in the movies to be stronger than bullets

in the comics, spiderman trumps this easily, feat for feat thoug hwesley and spiderman are quite equal

I don't care who or what suggests what. He was able to dodge bullets without difficulty, movie or comic-wise.

And Spiderman's webbing has been considered having a tensile strength of steel in the movies... though it never showed him to make a shield, if he did, it easy to see how it can block bullets.

Even if we discount that, given the more abilities he has, Spider-man movie wins 10/10.

Spidey wins, but we all lose because this argument's stupid.

How in the world does a nobody like Wesley Own defeat a full fledged superhero like Spider-Man??

Originally posted by demoneyeslaharl
I don't care who or what suggests what. He was able to dodge bullets without difficulty, movie or comic-wise.

And Spiderman's webbing has been considered having a tensile strength of steel in the movies... though it never showed him to make a shield, if he did, it easy to see how it can block bullets.

Even if we discount that, given the more abilities he has, Spider-man movie wins 10/10. wesley and spidey have equal speed and reaction time,

in the comics spidemran always dodges bullets easily, he hasnt done that in the movies though, especially when you think about it the movies are still very early in his career, plus his webbing doesnt travel at the same speed as a bullet.

Hahaha, he's still pushing the idea that Wesley wins.

Funny, but I admire the persistence.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Hahaha, he's still pushing the idea that Wesley wins.

Funny, but I admire the persistence.

-AC yo uhave offered no evidence to support spiderman ca nwin, really your arguement makes little sense

Really? You replied to a post from August?

You're that desperate?

-AC

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
yo uhave offered no evidence to support spiderman ca nwin, really your arguement makes little sense

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
wesley and spidey have equal speed and reaction time,


Not really. Peter can react before the actual threat happens aka Precog.