Captain America's shield vs. Marvel & DC

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six6six
Captain America's shield has been broken at least 4 times:

-Molecule Man
-Thanos w/IG
-Dr. Doom after stealing Beyonder's powers
-Thor w/Odinforce

3 times out of the 4 were done by amped characters.
Without any amps, is there anyone in either/both Marvel & DC besides MM capable of breaking it?

=Entities/Gods don't count.

carnage52
yes

Endrict Nuul
Yeah sure! Magneto

Eel O'Brian
Anybody capable of molecular manipulation.

six6six
Originally posted by Endrict Nuul
Yeah sure! Magneto

Magneto might be able to bend it, but could he really break it?

six6six
Let's hear some other names....

Can any brutes break it out of sheer strength?

Grinning Goku
Originally posted by six6six
Let's hear some other names....

Can any brutes break it out of sheer strength?

Doubt it.

Endrict Nuul
SMP? even though he's not a brute....

Grinning Goku
Originally posted by Endrict Nuul
SMP? even though he's not a brute....

He might dent it, but I don't know if he could break it.

OneDumbG0
Originally posted by Endrict Nuul
Yeah sure! Magneto no

Phantom Zone
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
no

!? I thought Magneto could at least control it, but according to the scan he cant even manipulate it!

Thats New Mutants isn't it.....memories.

OneDumbG0
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
!? I thought Magneto could at least control it, but according to the scan he cant even manipulate it!

Thats New Mutants isn't it.....memories. There is a much older scan of Magneto controlling the shield's flight path. But that's easily explainable because Cap's shield was studied by Iron Man very often. And he would give Cap a reasonable facsimile to use during battle. Marvel retconned this in because in early issues of Avengers, Cap's shield would actually break and they never explained how he got his replacements. Once they decided his shield was special, they retconned this "oh, Iron Man was studying it and Cap was using a fake" excuse in. That's my take on how to reconcile the two scans.

SevenShackles
galactus?

Grinning Goku
Originally posted by SevenShackles
galactus?


Originally posted by six6six
=Entities/Gods don't count.

OneDumbG0
Sevenshackles, threadstarter said no Entities or Gods. And on that note...

Six6six, 'The Reigning' is not canon. King Thor breaking Cap's shield is an alternate universe.

Phantom Zone
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Sevenshackles, threadstarter said no Entities or Gods. And on that note...

Six6six, 'The Reigning' is not canon. King Thor breaking Cap's shield is an alternate universe.

Ah I also didnt think that King Thor was as powerful as the other people that broke his shield...good to hear....and that probably explains one of the reasons why we dont take non-canon sources. roll eyes (sarcastic)

six6six
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Sevenshackles, threadstarter said no Entities or Gods. And on that note...

Six6six, 'The Reigning' is not canon. King Thor breaking Cap's shield is an alternate universe.

You're right. I was just using it as an example.

Galan007
Originally posted by Eel O'Brian
Anybody capable of molecular manipulation. thumb up haw-som

Originally posted by six6six
Can any brutes break it out of sheer strength? Prime could. I have a hard time believing that Cap's shield would be harder to punch through, than dimensional barriers. none

Phantom Zone
Originally posted by Galan007
thumb up haw-som

Ermm doesnt it depend on how good they are, doesnt Magneto have molecular manipulation?

Originally posted by Galan007

Prime could. I have a hard time believing that Cap's shield would be harder to punch through, than dimensional barriers. none

Well Hulk can destory dimensional barriers, cant destroy Caps shield though...yes I know SMP is stronger than Hulk im just focusing on the dimensional barrier thingy.

ultimatethor
hulk at d end of wwh wen his step nearly destroyed d eastern seaboard could do it. Also trion jugs could do it.

TricksterPriest
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Ermm doesnt it depend on how good they are, doesnt Magneto have molecular manipulation?



Well Hulk can destory dimensional barriers, cant destroy Caps shield though...yes I know SMP is stronger than Hulk im just focusing on the dimensional barrier thingy.

When has Hulk even smashed a dimension barrier? no expression And please don't use the destroy a dimension example. He didn't. All he did was Thunderclap, and it resonated with the blast fired at him and nature of the dimension, causing a chain reaction that destroyed the dimension.

SMP is Pre-crisis. It's easily within his limits. Just tell him it killed his earth. laughing out loud

Validus could do it.

ultimatethor
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
When has Hulk even smashed a dimension barrier? no expression And please don't use the destroy a dimension example. He didn't. All he did was Thunderclap, and it resonated with the blast fired at him and nature of the dimension, causing a chain reaction that destroyed the dimension.

SMP is Pre-crisis. It's easily within his limits. Just tell him it killed his earth. laughing out loud

Validus could do it. hulk broke thru a dimensional barrier by punching thru a time storm.which evn time machines cud not get thru

spetznaz
Originally posted by six6six
Captain America's shield has been broken at least 4 times:

-Molecule Man
-Thanos w/IG
-Dr. Doom after stealing Beyonder's powers
-Thor w/Odinforce

3 times out of the 4 were done by amped characters.
Without any amps, is there anyone in either/both Marvel & DC besides MM capable of breaking it?

=Entities/Gods don't count.

Anyone with matter manipulation or high-level magic.

For instance, in DC Firestorm could easily turn Captain America's shield into potato chips, and in JLA: Obsidian Age the monster who had absorbed Zatanna used her powers of speaking backwards to turn promethium (the DC equivalent of Adamantium, which Firestorm had created out of thin air to bind her) into PAPER ....simply by saying promethium to paper backwards.

There are many more who can do similar in DC, and just as many in Marvel.

The only place where the shield holds its own is against direct physical strength, and normal energy attacks.

Although even in pure strength there are some characters who can seriously affect it, even to the point of damaging the binds.

For instance, Emo-prime at his best could wreck the shield based on what he was shown doing.

Remember ....it is just that the molecular binds in that shield are so EXCEEDINGLY strong that nearly nothing can even dent it, but what if a character has greater strength than the valence of the molecular bonds in the shield?

The shield breaks!

There are certain brutes (like Emoprime) who could very well just break the shield using strength.

And there is a list of matter-manips and high-level magic users who could simply turn the shield into goo.

It is just that Captain America seldom faces off against such ultra-ubers, otherwise he would have lost his shield quite some time back. ....

.....Retcon or no retcon.

Phantom Zone
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
When has Hulk even smashed a dimension barrier? no expression And please don't use the destroy a dimension example. He didn't. All he did was Thunderclap, and it resonated with the blast fired at him and nature of the dimension, causing a chain reaction that destroyed the dimension.

SMP is Pre-crisis. It's easily within his limits. Just tell him it killed his earth. laughing out loud

Validus could do it.

Well lets see....Savage Hulk who is weaker than Professor Hulk was strong enough to resist Vector who so powerful that his kinetic powers teleported them to another dimension and was replling reality itself. Savage Hulk also punched through a Timestorm.

Not exactly the samething but if he can do the above dont see why he cant punch through a dimensional barrier.

Maybe SMP and Validus can but just because they can punch through a dimesional barrier doesnt mean that they can break Caps shield.

janus77
The Time Storm is effectively a dimensional barrier isn't it?

Hulk could break the shield.

Phantom Zone
Originally posted by janus77
The Time Storm is effectively a dimensional barrier isn't it?

Hulk could break the shield.

Yeah but Professor Hulk is stronger than Savage Hulk and he couldnt break it.

ultimatethor
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yeah but Professor Hulk is stronger than Savage Hulk and he couldnt break it.

Prof hulk is not stronger than savage hulk considering that hulks strength is based on anger an emotion that comes far quicker to savage hulk. Hulk has also perfromed most of his best feats as savage hulk.

carnage52
Originally posted by Grinning Goku
He might dent it, but I don't know if he could break it. he would shatter it into a million pieces.

Soljer
'Super Saiya-jin' World War Hulk wouldn't be able to break Cap's shield. Much less normal Savage Hulk.

occultdestroyer
Hmm, let's see...

Doctor Fate turns it into liquid
Jenny Q
Sentry (quite sure)
Silver Surfer?
Darksied's Omega Force?

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