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If there was an all out brawl between the Anime universes against Marvel and Dc which multiverse wud come out on top ??

Remeber Anime has universes like, Kami-Tenchi, Dragonball Z, Darkstalkers, Digimon, Naruto, One Piece. With power players like, Z, Omnimon, Vegito/Gogeta, God-Enel, Pyron, etc..


Marvel and DC have sum pretty formidable guys to fight though, Anti-Monitor, Galactus, Superman Prime, Pre-Retcon Beyonder, Spectre, Silver Surfer!!

The scale of this batlle is of the charts. an almost Omniversal all out WAR !!

This is basically American vs Japanese Imagination !!

ill try to limit the anime universes to DBZ/Naruto/One Piece/Darkstalers/ Tenchi Muyo/ Outlaw Star/ Ultimate Muscle and maybe one or two others you cna think of with big power players

let Universal Supremacy begin !!

FIGHT !!

Isn't this extremely similar to that "Anime Fighters VS American Superheroes" thread?

I love marvel and dc but they would most like get destroyed. Hell I know just one anime show that could go to either d/c or marvel and wreck shop. Anime is just on a totally different scale.

Originally posted by Yoshi Paradise
Isn't this extremely similar to that "Anime Fighters VS American Superheroes" thread?
Similar, but in that thread its listed fighters from certain shows or comics, this is an all ut brawl where which ever anime/marvel/dc character you know is pitted agaisnt each other !! enjoy

Would completely depend on which reality warper thinks the fastest.

Well lets give the universes a month prep !!

Anime has guys like Neo (digimon) Jenamba who coudl create portals passing threw the universes !! Marvel/Dc hav Mr Mxy and im not sure about marvel im wanting to say the living tribunal but i dont now much about him

There's a level above multiversal creation then? Oh do tell!

The Presense and the one above will clean house with almost any anime character.

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
There's a level above multiversal creation then? Oh do tell!

The Presense and the one above will clean house with almost any anime character.

Im not referring to lt or beings like the spectre since they barely interfere in battles like this.

well this is a war bigger than crisis on infinite earths and the spectre got involved then

The spectre gets involved with gang killings and murderers. He'll get involved with whatever the hell he feels like. Cosmic or small scale.

He will need to get involved, Marvel and DC are up agaisnt many guys !!

Guys like Robin, Spiderman, Beast Boy, The Punisher are going to be killed quickly by guys like Naruto, The Ginyu Force, and WarGreymon !!

this battles take splace on a huge scale, think infinite crisis/villians united/crisis on infintae earths/sinestro corps war, marvel civil war combined, Loads of characters fighitng at the same time, it wud be soooo awsum

Imagine the Justice League and the Avengers vs DBZ Villians
Majin Vegeta
Turles ( Post Power Fruit )
Lord Slug Prime
Frieza
Cooler
Super Perfect Cell
Hatachyack ( Embodiment of Hate!! )
Janemba
Broly the Legendary Super Saiyan
Meta Cooler
Bojack
Majin Buu ( Gohan Absorbed )
Majin Buu ( Pure Form/Kid )
Kogu
Buujin
Bedo
Zangya
Ginyu Force
Coolers Armoured Squad
Radditz
Hundreds of Saibamen
Hirudergarn
Hoi
Babadi
Bibadi
Dabura
Garlic
Garlic Jr
King Piccolo
Drum
Tambourine
The Spice Boys The list goes on !!

There's not enough top tiers between the JLA and the Avengers to match those numbers. Bring in the the Justice society and we'll have a fight.



Then again if you sent Black Adam or Doomsday against those guys it'd be a slaughter the opposite way.

Its hard to do universe to universe fight like this. Omnipotents tend to screw these battles over.

Each universe save dark stalker and the tenchi verse could be taken down by dropping one of the more powerful DC summer cross over villains in them.

Throw enough universe busters at this and the problem would be sorted out.

Then we have dark stalker and the tenchi. Marvel and DC's omnipotents stalemate these two universe's ones. Draw.

hmm Ok add the JSA for Marvel/DC

and Add - Baby Final Form
Super 17
Omega Shenron - probably the second anime character there is !! if not atleast in the top 5 !!

If u want to ad maybe ermm.. The fantastic 4 too that wud be ok !

To many characters, to many variables. This is a pointless thread with no possible way to determine a winner.

We could spilt this up into teirs too ...

Lower teir Marvel/DC- Spiderman, Robin, Nightwing, Invisable Woman etc..
Mid Level - Doomsday, Sentry, Hulk, Ulraboy etc..
High Level- Imperiex, Galactus, Superman prime etc..

same for Anime
Low level- Naruto, Monkey D Luffy,Master Roshi, Miotusmon, Kazuya etc..
Mid Level - Frieza, Cooler, Wargreymon, Omnimon etc..
High Level - Pyron, Neo, Gogeta, Broly, Kami-Tenchi, Z, Majin Buu, Vegito, Piedamon etc..

L-sama
Kami tenchi
Lady tokimi
Demonbane
Tengen toppa gurren lagann
Anti spiral
Zinv
Getter Emporer
Haruhi suzamiya (fully aware of her powers)
Full powered Cybuster

All universe busters and and above. Not in order as I imagine a full powered haruhi is high up the list.

So no No DBZ char is even in the top 10. Yes some of them were very obscure, like Demonbane and cybuster.

Hmm I'm I'm not sure where this battle would take place. Some sort of pocket dimension maybe. The awesome dead Galactus battle ground from JLA/Avengers?

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
L-sama
Kami tenchi
Lady tokimi
Demonbane
Tengen toppa gurren lagann
Anti spiral
Zinv
Getter Emporer
Haruhi suzamiya (fully aware of her powers)
Full powered Cybuster

All universe busters and and above. Not in order as I imagine a full powered haruhi is high up the list.

So no No DBZ char is even in the top 10. Yes some of them were very obscure, like Demonbane and cybuster.

Hmm I'm I'm not sure where this battle would take place. Some sort of pocket dimension maybe. The awesome dead Galactus battle ground from JLA/Avengers?

hmm imagine the universes right nect to eahc other, or fues togetehr slightly as to allow batle between more human characters. Well Majin Buu 9 Gohan Absorbed0 >>>Universe destroyer
Janemba >>>>>> Univer Destoyer

Super 17, Omega Shenron, Vegito, Gogeta all stronger than them 2 !!

never the less, there all immensly powerful,...even thought i didnt recognise half the name sin that list lol

plus iv never seen any1 from demonbane do anything DBZ level

You need to take out PR Beyonder, he's insanely powerfull. Definitely too powerful for the anime/manga verses. Same with Spectre.

Demonbane is a universal level reality warper. That was the point of the last episode. In the visual novel the game is based off. Demonbane can summon every demonbane in the multiverse for an attack which collapses the universe they're in.

Cybuster is from the super robot wars series of games but has been in two anime series (SRW original genrations: Devine wars and Cybuster) and one OVA.

At full power it has control of the Akashic records. Which means it can control everything in existance on a multiversal level.

Zinv is from Dual. An anime from the creator of Tenchi. Shown to be able to warp reality over multiple universes, regnerate from non existance and has light hawk wings.

Getter Emporer is the final evolution of Getter robo. Its start up energy is compared to the big bang.

Could you expailn to me how either gohan buu or Janemba are above universe destroying.

Zinv fused two universes together. That's definfinty above dbz.

Anime verse also has Gunbuster/Diebuster, Sailor Moon, Noien(sp?), Slayers, Houshin engi, etc.

Originally posted by BradBalboa
Imagine the Justice League and the Avengers vs DBZ Villians
Majin Vegeta
Turles ( Post Power Fruit )
Lord Slug Prime
Frieza
Cooler
Super Perfect Cell
Hatachyack ( Embodiment of Hate!! )
Janemba
Broly the Legendary Super Saiyan
Meta Cooler
Bojack
Majin Buu ( Gohan Absorbed )
Majin Buu ( Pure Form/Kid )
Kogu
Buujin
Bedo
Zangya
Ginyu Force
Coolers Armoured Squad
Radditz
Hundreds of Saibamen
Hirudergarn
Hoi
Babadi
Bibadi
Dabura
Garlic
Garlic Jr
King Piccolo
Drum
Tambourine
The Spice Boys The list goes on !!

Frieza and cooler alone are enough trouble for the jla/jsa since they can blink nukes out of there hands and would basically vanish in front of there eyes like they have basically disappeared the entire time hitting people with nukes.

Not really the JLA by themselves would take care of Freiza and Cooler quite easily.Nukes are nothing to people like Superman and Green Lantern and even Flash as he can easily outrun every attack they throw and their speed is absolute crap compared to Superman,Green Lantern and Flash.And Flash could easily just steal all of Freiza's and Cooler's kinetic energy and then they would just be punching bags for the others.

don't forget about kenshiro.

Squirrel Girl solos

Nah, Mihoshi solos.

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Originally posted by Alucard25
Not really the JLA by themselves would take care of Freiza and Cooler quite easily.Nukes are nothing to people like Superman and Green Lantern and even Flash as he can easily outrun every attack they throw and their speed is absolute crap compared to Superman,Green Lantern and Flash.And Flash could easily just steal all of Freiza's and Cooler's kinetic energy and then they would just be punching bags for the others.

Thats your opinion, since superman has yet to show me any combat speed even comparable to nappa then frieza and cooler stomps the jla and jsa.

A nuke is nothing to superman huh then why in the hell did prime say that a blast comparable to a nuke hurt, why did doctor light ko superman with a blast not even comparable or close to the power of a nuke.

Frieza combat speed>>>>>>>>>Superman combat speed and thats being generous. Again superman gets overwhelmed by mere bricks hasnt displayed any combat speed even comparable to nappa.

Flight speed dont = combat speed and i hope one day people would realize that. If frieza vs Superman was written in a book superman would literally get his a** handed to him and since goku as a child was seeing lightning in slow motion and by the time he was fighting nappa his speed was >>>goku from dragonball I think that he was moving well beyond light. Hell in regular dragon episode 140 yamcha even said that goku could move the speed of light and tien mentioned it also.

Now show me some combat speed feats that superman has that > nappa.

Originally posted by Alucard25
Not really the JLA by themselves would take care of Freiza and Cooler quite easily.Nukes are nothing to people like Superman and Green Lantern and even Flash as he can easily outrun every attack they throw and their speed is absolute crap compared to Superman,Green Lantern and Flash.And Flash could easily just steal all of Freiza's and Cooler's kinetic energy and then they would just be punching bags for the others.

Originally posted by carver9
A nuke is nothing to superman huh then why in the hell did prime say that a blast comparable to a nuke hurt, why did doctor light ko superman with a blast not even comparable or close to the power of a nuke. GTFO.

You are an idiot, I already proved that wasn't a friggin nuke so stfu and stop sucking on DBZ's dick.

PR Beyonder can destroy the DBZverse by thinking too much.

Originally posted by carver9
Thats your opinion, since superman has yet to show me any combat speed even comparable to nappa then frieza and cooler stomps the jla and jsa.
Ok, even if Frieza by some miracle beat Superman, how does that mean he beats the rest of the JLA or JSA? Green Lantern alone would beat Goku/Frieza/Cooler/anyDBZcharacter even worse than Superman would.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Ok, even if Frieza by some miracle beat Superman, how does that mean he beats the rest of the JLA or JSA? Green Lantern alone would beat Goku/Frieza/Cooler/anyDBZcharacter even worse than Superman would. Which GL? One of the good ones like Hal, Kyle, or Sodam Yat, sure, but not one of the fodder bullshit GLs. Anyone can beat them.

Mihoshi is from Tenchi Muyo.

Originally posted by Magee
To many characters, to many variables. This is a pointless thread with no possible way to determine a winner.


what he said.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
GTFO.

You are an idiot, I already proved that wasn't a friggin nuke so stfu and stop sucking on DBZ's dick.

PR Beyonder can destroy the DBZverse by thinking too much.

You didnt prove anything you went by your own assumption. That blast did nothing different that a nuke wouldnt have done.



I agree with this statement.

Originally posted by carver9
You didnt prove anything you went by your own assumption. That blast did nothing different that a nuke wouldnt have done.



I agree with this statement. 1. Except hurt Superman Prime who has shown to effortlessly survive far more. And Superman Prime survived Monarch's full power in the form of a Big Bang. Deal.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Ok, even if Frieza by some miracle beat Superman, how does that mean he beats the rest of the JLA or JSA? Green Lantern alone would beat Goku/Frieza/Cooler/anyDBZcharacter even worse than Superman would.

It depends on how many people on the jla and jsa can take nukes from a being that is basically invisible to there eyes. I cant see many surviving.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. Except hurt Superman Prime who has shown to effortlessly survive far more. And Superman Prime survived Monarch's full power in the form of a Big Bang. Deal.

Agreed, even though you havent proven that there wasnt a plot device that brought prime back to life and knocked him through time.

Do you fail to realize that combat speed dont equal flight speed? Two different things.

Originally posted by carver9
Agreed, even though you havent proven that there wasnt a plot device that brought prime back to life and knocked him through time.

Do you fail to realize that combat speed dont equal flight speed? Two different things. I don't have to prove there was not a plot device, I can't prove a negative. You made the claim there is a plot device, burden of proof is on YOU. Until one is shown, there is no plot device.

Only SMP blitzed three Flashes.

Originally posted by carver9
Thats your opinion, since superman has yet to show me any combat speed even comparable to nappa then frieza and cooler stomps the jla and jsa.

A nuke is nothing to superman huh then why in the hell did prime say that a blast comparable to a nuke hurt, why did doctor light ko superman with a blast not even comparable or close to the power of a nuke.

Frieza combat speed>>>>>>>>>Superman combat speed and thats being generous. Again superman gets overwhelmed by mere bricks hasnt displayed any combat speed even comparable to nappa.

Flight speed dont = combat speed and i hope one day people would realize that. If frieza vs Superman was written in a book superman would literally get his a** handed to him and since goku as a child was seeing lightning in slow motion and by the time he was fighting nappa his speed was >>>goku from dragonball I think that he was moving well beyond light. Hell in regular dragon episode 140 yamcha even said that goku could move the speed of light and tien mentioned it also.

Now show me some combat speed feats that superman has that > nappa.

Wait, aren't you the same guy who said Superman would have a tough time keeping up with Gambit's speed?

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
I don't have to prove there was not a plot device, I can't prove a negative. You made the claim there is a plot device, burden of proof is on YOU. Until one is shown, there is no plot device.

Only SMP blitzed three Flashes.

Do you want to know what combat speed is, fast for this to five minutes, thats combat speed. I fail to see prime even mimic anything close to this, not even in his dam* dreams.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7jjcO3hV2c&feature=related

Originally posted by Prime#
Wait, aren't you the same guy who said Superman would have a tough time keeping up with Gambit's speed?

i never said that sh**, someone put a scan up with superman slapping bullets and I said gambit have pulled that same feat. We all know that superman>>>gambit when it come to speed.

Stop being ridiculous.

Originally posted by carver9
Do you want to know what combat speed is, fast for this to five minutes, thats combat speed. I fail to see prime even mimic anything close to this, not even in his dam* dreams.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7jjcO3hV2c&feature=related He is faster than Flash, who can fight at FTL. He blitzed many GLs before they could do a thing, who are also FTL. He is much faster than Superman, who is once again FTL.

Of course you think Frieza is faster. You're a fanboy.

Though since you conceded SMP survived a big bang, it isn't like anyone in DBZ can even hurt him anyway.

DC has All-Star Superman. All Star Supes is literally god. He is shown to have created our universe


All Star Supes created out universe which has our Earth in it which has the creators of every anime on it.


Ain't fanboyism a B*tch?

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
He is faster than Flash, who can fight at FTL. He blitzed many GLs before they could do a thing, who are also FTL. He is much faster than Superman, who is once again FTL.

Of course you think Frieza is faster. You're a fanboy.

Though since you conceded SMP survived a big bang, it isn't like anyone in DBZ can even hurt him anyway.

Dark-jaxx, I understand that you think that Im a fan boy and I have no problem with that because when I argue for a character or anyone argue for a character people always call that person a fanboy when its not true. I know plenty of beings that can beat goku but Im not going to say that its going to be superman, wonderwoman, gladiator,etc...

The thing that you will always fail to realize is that combat speed dont equal flight speed. If thats the case superman shouldnt even be a threat to surfer since surfer flight speed is>>>superman but we all know thats not the case. Superman have not displayed anything close to even nappa IN COMBAT SPEED. And you say that goku wont hurt superman huh, well goku did punch frieza so hard and hit him through two mountains that lead to the planet shaking. Hell frieza was punching goku so hard that the shock waves was spreading for miles and made bulma fly to another part of the planet.

I didnt ask you who superman prime flew with I said show me some combat speed that is even comparable to frieza and you failed again. By the way prime froze breath the gls and then he blitzed them.

Originally posted by carver9
Dark-jaxx, I understand that you think that Im a fan boy and I have no problem with that because when I argue for a character or anyone argue for a character people always call that person a fanboy when its not true. I know plenty of beings that can beat goku but Im not going to say that its going to be superman, wonderwoman, gladiator,etc...

The thing that you will always fail to realize is that combat speed dont equal flight speed. If thats the case superman shouldnt even be a threat to surfer since surfer flight speed is>>>superman but we all know thats not the case. Superman have not displayed anything close to even nappa IN COMBAT SPEED. And you say that goku wont hurt superman huh, well goku did punch frieza so hard and hit him through two mountains that lead to the planet shaking. Hell frieza was punching goku so hard that the shock waves was spreading for miles and made bulma fly to another part of the planet.

I didnt ask you who superman prime flew with I said show me some combat speed that is even comparable to frieza and you failed again. By the way prime froze breath the gls and then he blitzed them. I get aggravated by fanboys alot, not just DBZ, so excuse me if I get angry when I talk to one.

2. SMP BLITZED THE FLASHES. Superman hasn't displayed anything close to Nappa in combat speed? Can someone post the scan of Superman fighting that dude in multiple places around the planet? Goku WON'T hurt Superman Prime, who survived a Big Bang. Made Bulma, a 120 pounds girl at most, fly through the air? WOWZ!!! THAT IS T3H 1337 STRENGTH!!!!!

3. He froze them before they could react, killed them, then HVed a couple, then had Guy Gardner by the throat before he could react. He also one shotted Hal Jordan essentially.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Which GL? One of the good ones like Hal, Kyle, or Sodam Yat, sure, but not one of the fodder bullshit GLs. Anyone can beat them.
I meant the ones generally associated with JLA/JSA. Hal,Alan, etc.Originally posted by carver9
It depends on how many people on the jla and jsa can take nukes from a being that is basically invisible to there eyes. I cant see many surviving.
Green Lantern could definitely do that.....or use the trillion other battle options he has to beat any of those guys. No noone from DBZ is soloing or duoing the JLA/JSA.

What feats does nappa have other than he fought a guy who fought a guy... who fought Goku, who was all blurry?



You seem to have a bad grasp of scale. Its okay a lot of DBZ fans have this problem. When the local area of over say a mile is shaking it doesn't mean the planet is shaking. Just that area.

Mountains is a meaningless word. It can means something 100ft tall to on 1000s of feet tall. The mountains shown in DBZ tend towards the lower end.

When Bulma blown off screen it doesn't mean she's landed on the other side of the planet.

When a beefed up cell punches the ground with above ssj 2 strength and only breaks some rocks we know we're not dealing with power houses on a comic level.

Also Frieza would not be invisible to any of the top tiers eyes. Superman and wonder woman can track the flash moving at top speeds. Hal Jordan has made constructs that can track Zoom and tag him.

We have the two flashes who you can't deny have higher combat speed than Frieza. We have KC superman who by Jays own admission is faster than him.

The Surfer does have high combat speed. He just never uses it because then he might actually beat a popular character. Judging by his brutal speed blitz of Nova, who has in turn blitzed Drax, he's very fast.

When Goku and Frieza where fighting, the shockwaves from their blows destroyed the Namek buildings around them, and smashed apart the landscape !! During the fight, Frieza fires a huge death ball at goku, goku stops it, and punches it into space, destroying one of the nearby Planets !!... When Namek blows ( and im not sure about this) But the explosion could be seen from outside the Galaxy (atleast in the flashback) meaning it was a solar system sized explosion..and Frieza survived with half a body, one arm, and less than half his power !!

Originally posted by Prime#
DC has All-Star Superman. All Star Supes is literally god. He is shown to have created our universe


All Star Supes created out universe which has our Earth in it which has the creators of every anime on it.


Ain't fanboyism a B*tch?
Sorry to disapoint but, Neo ) a digimon) IS the universe, he can create and destroy Universes at his whim !!

Originally posted by BradBalboa
When Goku and Frieza where fighting, the shockwaves from their blows destroyed the Namek buildings around them, and smashed apart the landscape !! During the fight, Frieza fires a huge death ball at goku, goku stops it, and punches it into space, destroying one of the nearby Planets !!... When Namek blows ( and im not sure about this) But the explosion could be seen from outside the Galaxy (atleast in the flashback) meaning it was a solar system sized explosion..and Frieza survived with half a body, one arm, and less than half his power !!

When Namek blew up, its mon was shown un damaged and three nearby planets were shown untouched. Just watched it on youtube.

I would point out huge asteroid sized parts of namek survived as well some of them even still had grass on them. That must of been mighty grass to survive such an explosion.

Originally posted by BradBalboa
Sorry to disapoint but, Neo ) a digimon) IS the universe, he can create and destroy Universes at his whim !!
Yea and TOOA are the writers and artists so beat that.

Originally posted by carver9
It depends on how many people on the jla and jsa can take nukes from a being that is basically invisible to there eyes. I cant see many surviving.

Well lets see Superman,Green Lantern and Flash can easily outrun them and just steal their speed before freiza or cooler can get a thought off and just beat the ever loving crap out of them.

ok just so the anime guys know. Superman changes the way he fights absed on his opponets its who he is. Against a brick he'll try to match speed the faster the person goes the faster he will go

Originally posted by jalek moye
ok just so the anime guys know. Superman changes the way he fights absed on his opponets its who he is. Against a brick he'll try to match speed the faster the person goes the faster he will go

Since you said this show me superman fighting a character and BOTH of them winking out over the place. Dont show me that scan of him fight mongul and doing that lame a** after image because goku did better as a child, dont show me him fight imperex because again goku did that as a child and actually did things better then that.

What I want you to show me is superman hitting a character and then instantly being behind that person hitting them again before they even had a chance to move and I want to see him continuously doing this. I want to see superman have a blast shot at him that is nuke level and as soon as the blast hit the ground he basically vanish and dont even get touched by the blast. I want to see superman punch at someone but its a after image that is punching at you then the real person show up behind the after image punching you. How about superman being so fast that beings that also have amazing speed shot blast at you but the blast goes completely through you like your not even there and then they fly through him at amazing speed but they are basically going through his body, dont show me that sh** with that weak a** doomsday, show me something after that or even before that. How about two guy surrounding superman and they starting punching at him with incredible speed and not one punch hit him because he is moving so fast.

Originally posted by Alucard25
Well lets see Superman,Green Lantern and Flash can easily outrun them and just steal their speed before freiza or cooler can get a thought off and just beat the ever loving crap out of them.

So superman, green lantern, and flash can outrun them. A guy that basically has combat speed thats>>>them and yes Im including the flash. Like I said before, even though dragonball isnt consistent they NEVER have been hitting by bricks, never, whereas the same cant be said for flash, superman, and why the hell did you say green lantern. Please show me some combat speed with the lantern then maybe I'll agree. Again his flight speed is incredible but I think that people on the forum just dont understand the difference between flight speed and combat speed. I wonder how fast frieza is IN SPACE since he said that he would be long gone away from planet namek and wont feel the impact of the explosion and it was basically 2 minutes left before the planet was going to blow up. So he was going to basically be on the other side of the solar system in less then two minutes but again flight speed dont equal combat speed.

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
What feats does nappa have other than he fought a guy who fought a guy... who fought Goku, who was all blurry?



You seem to have a bad grasp of scale. Its okay a lot of DBZ fans have this problem. When the local area of over say a mile is shaking it doesn't mean the planet is shaking. Just that area.

Mountains is a meaningless word. It can means something 100ft tall to on 1000s of feet tall. The mountains shown in DBZ tend towards the lower end.

When Bulma blown off screen it doesn't mean she's landed on the other side of the planet.

When a beefed up cell punches the ground with above ssj 2 strength and only breaks some rocks we know we're not dealing with power houses on a comic level.

Also Frieza would not be invisible to any of the top tiers eyes. Superman and wonder woman can track the flash moving at top speeds. Hal Jordan has made constructs that can track Zoom and tag him.

We have the two flashes who you can't deny have higher combat speed than Frieza. We have KC superman who by Jays own admission is faster than him.

The Surfer does have high combat speed. He just never uses it because then he might actually beat a popular character. Judging by his brutal speed blitz of Nova, who has in turn blitzed Drax, he's very fast.

No the answer I want to know is what has superman done combat speed wise that is > nappa, nothing. Answer this, when picollo and krillin did the multiple form attack and seperated into six beings and attacked nappa and was doing about a 1000 punches per second but nappa not once got hit basically dodged every close range attack could superman repeat that same feat and if he can PROVE IT.

Originally posted by StyleTime
I meant the ones generally associated with JLA/JSA. Hal,Alan, etc.
Green Lantern could definitely do that.....or use the trillion other battle options he has to beat any of those guys. No noone from DBZ is soloing or duoing the JLA/JSA.

I agree, I do think that lantern can survive a nuke but I dont think lantern would be able to hit someone that can make a 10 book comic out of a 5 minute fight. I dont think that green lantern can hit someone that can hit you a distance and then be behind you before you even got the chance to forget about the 1st hit. The sad thing is that frieza shot nukes out of his two fingers I wonder what a entire hand could do, maybe what he did to that planet when goku slapped his blast out of space.

My bad for making you aggrevated and again you call me a dbz fanboy, I love wolverine better then all but I sure as hell dont think that he could be superman and wont even pose a threat to anyone on even regular dragonball but again he is my favorite character in comics and will always be.



You just dont get it do you, the after shock sent her flying and the thing about that is that goku and frieza was miles away from her and the punches had that entire area trembling destroying mountains etc.... Thats a feat that I have yet to see colossus or kalibak do and they are above 100 tons. And you said that superman was FLYING to multiple place fighting, wow you lack the definition of combat speed. I read the comic because superboy say that someone need to talk to superman and superman is right behind them saying that hes there. Can you please show me some reasonable combat speed, do I need to post another youtube so that you can see some real combat speed.



So since he tagged a gl then hes faster then dragonball, well I guess since deathstroke got to kyle before he even had the chance to react and tried to take his ring off that deathstroke is =to prime since kyle is one of the strongest gl's out there. I also guess that deathstroke is just as fast as prime since he has been tagging them his entire career and stabbed one in the shoulder and fought two of them including the titans and held his own. Hell gorilla grod performed good against flash and hit him to no avail in comics before.

Guys remeber this sitn just DBZ vs Marvel/DC, what about Pyron ??
Whos gonan face him? Or itachi Uchia ?? What happens if he gets Flahs in a genjutsu ?? what happenes to Zorra when His sword break on Supermans chest ??
I love the arguments going on guys all good points, but use other anime not just DBZ !!

Pyron is bad as hell also, there wont be many able to defeat him.

Anti-Monitor
Galactus
All Star Superman
Superman Prime
Spectre
Thanos ( Infinity Gaunlet )
all beings who could pretty easily whipe the floor with Pyron !

well, some wud hav difficulty, but im surer all of them have the potential to beat him !

Pyron is one of Animes hard hitters though, and he wouldnt be easy to defeat !!! If He, Majin Buu, Z, where to team up, the 3 could beat just about anyone..especially if Buu absorbed them !!

Originally posted by BradBalboa
Anti-Monitor
Galactus
All Star Superman
Superman Prime
Spectre
Thanos ( Infinity Gaunlet )
all beings who could pretty easily whipe the floor with Pyron !

well, some wud hav difficulty, but im surer all of them have the potential to beat him !

Pyron is one of Animes hard hitters though, and he wouldnt be easy to defeat !!! If He, Majin Buu, Z, where to team up, the 3 could beat just about anyone..especially if Buu absorbed them !!

Its a couple on your list that I cant see beating him. Pyron is complete energy, theres nothing that AS superman could do to him or Superman Prime. They are both physical characters that rely on brute force, thats something that just isnt happening with pyron. The rest on your list would beat him quite easily. I wasnt referring to people in that caliber.

Energy isn't intangible. Energy has a relativistic mass associated with it
shown using E=mc^2. Energy does interact with matter and vice versa. When light hits you it bounces off.

I'm a bit of a Pyron expert and I can confidently tell you everyone Brad posted could beat Pyron in the anime.

Pyron in the OVA is much weaker than canon.

Canonically, Pyron doesnt stand a chance against the characters that Brad listed. Hell pretty much anyone of those guys can solo the whole Darkstalkersverse. Though the Anime version can stil melt a world in moments, so he'll be around the dbz-levels.

With that said, Beyonder still solos. Inless Mihoshi and Seina combine their powers together.

Pyron in the Anime, probably wasnt DBZ level, i would put him around mid-Frieza saga level, Cell could beat him !!
I just remeber Majin Buu, imagine hundreds of poeple fighting, the armys of thanagar, battaling ( i dunno a shit load of digmon) Buu gets excited and does what eh does on Kamis Lookout " YES EVERYONE COME FEED ME NOW" !!! Buu would have a greta time eatign everyone haha, god knows what would happened if he absorbed the right people !!

Originally posted by Pyron_Express
Canonically, Pyron doesnt stand a chance against the characters that Brad listed. Hell pretty much anyone of those guys can solo the whole Darkstalkersverse. Though the Anime version can stil melt a world in moments, so he'll be around the dbz-levels.

With that said, Beyonder still solos. Inless Mihoshi and Seina combine their powers together.

beyonder shouldnt be in any of these threads, he can solo anyone.

Originally posted by Pyron_Express
Canonically, Pyron doesnt stand a chance against the characters that Brad listed. Hell pretty much anyone of those guys can solo the whole Darkstalkersverse. Though the Anime version can stil melt a world in moments, so he'll be around the dbz-levels.

With that said, Beyonder still solos. Inless Mihoshi and Seina combine their powers together. Well canonically Pyron has the power of countless galaxies and Jedah at full power would be a match for full potential Pyron, who is literally the universe, so I would not say Superman Prime or AS Superman could solo the verse at all.

Pyron in the OVA at 20% was fast enough to circle the planet in at least a second, could cause nuke level blasts with a punch, and was only defeated when Donavan literally caused a black hole to open up in Pyron's chest, I would say OVA Pyron is beyond DBZ level.