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does everything have to evolve around religion?

I believe that there is no such thing as a god, or Satan for that matter. We use the form of a 'god' as a safety net and people are a fared of beaning themselves.

Originally posted by Bowser jr
does everything have to evolve around religion?

Irony.

...think you forgot an ' r ' there bud.



And to answer your question, religion originated as a way to explain things, or a mythology to teach humanity to cope with various aspects of their existence. Through inherited tradition and cultural prominence, it has endured to the present day.

But it isn't the central focus of everyone's life. Or, in our widely secularized modern society, it isn't the central focus for probably the fair majority of people. Your reasoning for religious belief is a bit simplistic, as there are a wide range of reasons for beliefs beyond your metaphoric safety net. But you're right in that religion isn't the only way to find meaning in life.

Originally posted by Bowser jr
does everything have to evolve around religion?

Not at all but it tends to be something for people to stabilize themselves with. In fact, as Digi pointed out, it's likely that most people don't let their lives revolve around religion as it is.

Originally posted by Bowser jr
I believe that there is no such thing as a god, or Satan for that matter. We use the form of a 'god' as a safety net and people are a fared of beaning themselves.

A great number of people share your views. Don't worry about it.

Originally posted by Bowser jr
does everything have to evolve around religion?

I believe that there is no such thing as a god, or Satan for that matter. We use the form of a 'god' as a safety net and people are a fared of beaning themselves.

You know, instead of bringing up something that many other unsure and insecure teenagers often spout, you could've bumped anyone of about 40% of the threads in this forum.

IRONY!!

Originally posted by Jbill311
IRONY!!

Digi got that already.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
You know, instead of bringing up something that many other unsure and insecure teenagers often spout, you could've bumped anyone of about 40% of the threads in this forum.

If you think he might be an insecure teenager, is this really the best way to approach him/her? I agree with your advice, just not the tone.

Also, his post doesn't strike me as teenage angst. More like curiosity over a simple observation.

Religion has destroyed more lives than can ever be told, even nations. it's an evil that should change, yet I fear that it never will, at least not the hard ones. The only create division, not love and union. It is their way or the highway....

Maybe Jesus was talking about this. How can you have heaven within when your cup is dirty on the outside, you hypocrites.

Religion has destroyed more then lives then can ever be told, even nations eh?

You think that shits abd, you should check out nationalism. That shit ****s the world up.

what has relgion done for this world? Oh and much nationialism is based on religions.

Originally posted by Deja~vu
Oh and much nationialism is based on religions.

actually it is much more likely a third phenomenon which is responsible for both

What has religion done for the world in general, or people?

Like all other "ideals" and "beliefs", whither it be in a god or a government or anything else, it's given people hope, brought people together, changed people's lives for the better, divided people, turned them against one another, and has changed people's lives for the worse.

*shrug*

What nationalism is based on religion? That idea seems a bit contradictory to the term.

One nation under god?

its not

its all tribalism though

Originally posted by Devil King
What nationalism is based on religion? That idea seems a bit contradictory to the term.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_nationalism

For starters.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_nationalism

For starters.

Israel

Palestine

Ireland

It might be a bit chicken and egg, but that is a really good example

Originally posted by Deja~vu
One nation under god?

Why do Americans conveniently forget that is on their currency?

Originally posted by chithappens
Why do Americans conveniently forget that is on their currency?

I'll get to the rest tomorrow. But in this case, it's not a matter of them forgetting. It's a matter of people choosing to ignore the reality of where their religin actually come into play when it comes to their choices.

What strikes me as much more interesting is when people ignore other aspects of an argument because it actually requires them addressing some measure of effort.

Originally posted by chithappens
Why do Americans conveniently forget that is on their currency?

Because we have no choice? I've never heard of anyone not accepting their paycheck or refusing to claim a lottery ticket, because -heaven forbid- federal reserve notes say "god" on them.

Originally posted by chithappens
Why do Americans conveniently forget that is on their currency?

Because it's irrelevant.

Originally posted by inimalist
actually it is much more likely a third phenomenon which is responsible for both Death Terror.
Originally posted by chithappens
Why do Americans conveniently forget that is on their currency? Easier to indulge in our lower chakras.
Originally posted by Bowser jr
does everything have to evolve around religion? No. A general sense of reverence will do.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Because it's irrelevant.

If someone prints, "God favors me, not you" on our money (which is really a more blunt version of the same thing) I hardly see how that is irrelevant.

It gets you money, yes, but it says something about the foundation of your nation.

Originally posted by chithappens
If someone prints, "God favors me, not you" on our money (which is really a more blunt version of the same thing) I hardly see how that is irrelevant.

In God We Trust says nothing about what God thinks unless you read into it a huge amount (the phrase Annuit Coeptis, which everyone forgets about because it's in Latin, is much more about what God thinks). What is written on the bills is pretty much irrelevant because the only thing anyone cares about in the US when it comes to money is who's face is on what bill or coin. The rest of the text and pictures is simply interesting trappings.

The one dollar bill also says "New Order for the Ages" and has a pyramid with an all seeing eye for a capstone levitating above it but no one cares.

Originally posted by Bowser jr
We use the form of a 'god' as a safety net and people are a fared of beaning themselves.
You'd probably like Friedrich Nietzsche.

The U.S. was founded with the help of religion, more so with the understanding that their was a single higher power and that's what some of the reasoning for our independence relies on. Putting "One Nation, Under God" on a note Americans use everyday is there as a constant reminder of our beginning, not an elusive way for us to say "**** you" to the rest of the world.

Originally posted by Croatoa
The U.S. was founded with the help of religion, more so with the understanding that their was a single higher power and that's what some of the reasoning for our independence relies on. Putting "One Nation, Under God" on a note Americans use everyday is there as a constant reminder of our beginning, not an elusive way for us to say "**** you" to the rest of the world.

Treaty of Tripoli:

"the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion"

This raises a good question:- would there be laws and society as we know it if there wasn´t religion. After all the laws come from these old books and started off by scaring the shit out of simple people so they behaved.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Treaty of Tripoli:

"the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion"
I didn't say it was. I acknowledged that they believed in a deity.

Declaration of Independence:

"...the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation..."

"...And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor."

It's also important to note that many of the founding fathers were, at the time, Protestant, and so their interpretation of the Bible varied a little and this no doubt influenced their decisions. They didn't argue over this, but rather accepted that there would be differences and respected the perspectives. This ties in to the First Amendment and no official religion for the state. They knew it would cause problems.

Declaration has lots of stuff. Constitution doesn't mention God once, Benjamin Franklin wasn't even Christian, neither were a lot of founding fathers.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
In God We Trust says nothing about what God thinks unless you read into it a huge amount (the phrase Annuit Coeptis, which everyone forgets about because it's in Latin, is much more about what God thinks). What is written on the bills is pretty much irrelevant because the only thing anyone cares about in the US when it comes to money is who's face is on what bill or coin. The rest of the text and pictures is simply interesting trappings.

The one dollar bill also says "New Order for the Ages" and has a pyramid with an all seeing eye for a capstone levitating above it but no one cares.

Just because no one cares doesn't mean there is not something to it. On a literal level, you could put "**** Chit" on there on no one would care but that's not the point.

No one puts God on anything simply to be cute about it (unless you are an ass like me but I highly doubt it was to be sarcastic; not that I have evidence that says otherwise ).

Besides, if religion truly had no influence on the state then certain issues have no problems.

Abortion can be morally wrong but there is no secular reasoning to object to gay marriage.

Again, I'm not from a student of Princeton so I could be complete offbase here also.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Declaration has lots of stuff. Constitution doesn't mention God once, Benjamin Franklin wasn't even Christian, neither were a lot of founding fathers.

Well it was based off the Iroquois Confederacy (except they took out everything about women . that is so funny to me).

Originally posted by chithappens
Just because no one cares doesn't mean there is not something to it.

Sure, but nothing relevant to the current state of the world. No one cares about it (except for people looking to be offended). No one notices it. It's historical footnote that people on both side latch onto when they have needed to grab attention or the moral highground.

Originally posted by chithappens
No one puts God on anything simply to be cute about it (unless you are an ass like me but I highly doubt it was to be sarcastic; not that I have evidence that says otherwise ).

Of course it wasn't supposed to be cute or sarcastic but everyone has stopped caring about it anyway so it might as well be. It says something about the people that designed it and the world they lived in but nothing about the US today.

Originally posted by chithappens
Abortion can be morally wrong but there is no secular reasoning to object to gay marriage.

There's no secular reason for marriage at all (and the benefits of marriage can be granted via civil ceremony IIRC) so religions really should have the final say about how they operate in that respect.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
There's no secular reason for marriage at all (and the benefits of marriage can be granted via civil ceremony IIRC) so religions really should have the final say about how they operate in that respect.

I'd think we may extrapolate this point to different conclusions, but **** ya!

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Sure, but nothing relevant to the current state of the world. No one cares about it (except for people looking to be offended). No one notices it. It's historical footnote that people on both side latch onto when they have needed to grab attention or the moral highground.



Of course it wasn't supposed to be cute or sarcastic but everyone has stopped caring about it anyway so it might as well be. It says something about the people that designed it and the world they lived in but nothing about the US today.



There's no secular reason for marriage at all (and the benefits of marriage can be granted via civil ceremony IIRC) so religions really should have the final say about how they operate in that respect.

Please explain to me how it was relevant to the world at the time.

And yeah, religions should have the say for their followers, but it does not work that way. It is not as if these discussions are had without religion working it's way in but that's because that is what influences the decisions of the government.

Originally posted by inimalist
I'd think we may extrapolate this point to different conclusions, but **** ya!

play on playa

Originally posted by chithappens
Please explain to me how it was relevant to the world at the time.

I said it's historically relevant and tells you about the time it was made not that it had a special relevance at the time (though it may have).

Originally posted by chithappens
And yeah, religions should have the say for their followers, but it does not work that way. It is not as if these discussions are had without religion working it's way in but that's because that is what influences the decisions of the government.

It does work that way in the US right now. The law cannot force a priest, minister, rabbi, imam or shaman to marry people that he/she doesn't want to.

I don't see how you can have a discussion about marriage (which is a totally religious thing) without having religion "work into it".

Originally posted by King Kandy
Declaration has lots of stuff. Constitution doesn't mention God once, Benjamin Franklin wasn't even Christian, neither were a lot of founding fathers.
Sorry about the confusion, I didn't mean the U.S. government as we've known since the Constitution, I meant the thirteen colonies of the United States of America, as it is mentioned in the Declaration.

The statement on the founding fathers applies to the Constitution as well. What they had to work with when they started from "scratch" (post-Confederation) was knowledge of how England was governed, - which for the most part had been with the understanding of the Divine Right of Kings - about 90 years of legislatures in America, Locke, and the Bible.

Not having God mentioned in the Constitution is just proof of their amazing foresight.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I said it's historically relevant and tells you about the time it was made not that it had a special relevance at the time (though it may have).



It does work that way in the US right now. The law cannot force a priest, minister, rabbi, imam or shaman to marry people that he/she doesn't want to.

I don't see how you can have a discussion about marriage (which is a totally religious thing) without having religion "work into it".

How is it possible to be historically relevant but not have a "special" relevance?

Well in the case of gay marriage, people don't even want civil union. That's more what I'm getting @

Originally posted by Croatoa
Sorry about the confusion, I didn't mean the U.S. government as we've known since the Constitution, I meant the thirteen colonies of the United States of America, as it is mentioned in the Declaration.

The statement on the founding fathers applies to the Constitution as well. What they had to work with when they started from "scratch" (post-Confederation) was knowledge of how England was governed, - which for the most part had been with the understanding of the Divine Right of Kings - about 90 years of legislatures in America, Locke, and the Bible.

Not having God mentioned in the Constitution is just proof of their amazing foresight.

OMG OMG OMG! I keep saying this!

They got the idea from Native Americans!!!!!!! This is a historical-backed fact.

Do people just completely ignore what they don't want to acknowledge at all?

Then again, this is the religion forum...

Originally posted by chithappens
Why do Americans conveniently forget that is on their currency? We just worship the triangle eye. Why?


Cause it is always watching?


Oh, and for the post a few above. I don't want a civil union. Uncivil is good enough for me. Heck, throw out the whole book of rules. I'm sick of em.

what were we talking about again???

how do you know the bible is real??

To me it could of been written by someone who got board and wrote it from the top of there head!

Like it is easy to make your own religion if you have enough evident to back everything up.
With this you can take parts from the so called bible and use it in your 'religion' or add bites in yourself.

WHAT'S THE POINT!!!

Plus I don't get why people have 'Gods'. how do you know that your not 'praying to the same person or what every it is'.

Another thing is the Government. The have those elicitation for people to vote for them because they say that they can help and improve things. Like f**k. People only wont one thing when there in government and that's POWER, but when they get the power it's not all what it's cracked up to be. Causes more trouble and grief than before.

Someone is in emo mode .

Seriously though, life is too long to stress about stuff you can't control.

Relax and enjoy life some more.