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Here is why:

1. No penguin....danny devito's penguin was iconic, Nolan won't touch it...also penguin isn't intimidating enough for bale batman

2. no clayface/Mr. Freeze...either requires too much suspension of belief and special effects...not Nolan's style. Nolan prefers gritty realistic villains.

3. no Catwoman...at least as a villain. it seems contrived to have a catwoman in the nolan batman canon, what with no mention of Selina in the 2 movies so far.

4. no two-face...as the only villain. Two-face simply can't carry a movie, also two-face wasn't really even a villain in the dark knight.

5. no joker...for obvious reasons

6. no riddler...too silly, too similar to joker's style of mental games...too wacky to fit in Nolan's batuniverse

7. No rha's al ghul...I just didn't like his portrayal by Nesson.

What Nolan prefers in villain is someone who is intimidating but also believable and realistic. That removes out clowns like scarface, mad hatter, killer croc and the other two bits.

Also, NO villain can mentally torture batman like the Joker. So the nxt villain has to PHYSICALLY beat the Batman.

And that brings us to Bane!

Bane is the perfect Nolan villain. He's smart, he's powerful, intimidating and he's new. He has an interesting but unwacky backstory, his intent to rule Gotham makes an interesting plotline, and him fighting with batman will deliver a new level of action excitement to the batman movie. So I say Bane should be the next major villain.

Um... No...

The Reaper...

'Nuff said...

Originally posted by Starscream M
Here is why:

1. No penguin....danny devito's penguin was iconic, Nolan won't touch it...also penguin isn't intimidating enough for bale batman

2. no clayface/Mr. Freeze...either requires too much suspension of belief and special effects...not Nolan's style. Nolan prefers gritty realistic villains.

3. no Catwoman...at least as a villain. it seems contrived to have a catwoman in the nolan batman canon, what with no mention of Selina in the 2 movies so far.

4. no two-face...as the only villain. Two-face simply can't carry a movie, also two-face wasn't really even a villain in the dark knight.

5. no joker...for obvious reasons

6. no riddler...too silly, too similar to joker's style of mental games...too wacky to fit in Nolan's batuniverse

7. No rha's al ghul...I just didn't like his portrayal by Nesson.

What Nolan prefers in villain is someone who is intimidating but also believable and realistic. That removes out clowns like scarface, mad hatter, killer croc and the other two bits.

Also, NO villain can mentally torture batman like the Joker. So the nxt villain has to PHYSICALLY beat the Batman.

And that brings us to Bane!

Bane is the perfect Nolan villain. He's smart, he's powerful, intimidating and he's new. He has an interesting but unwacky backstory, his intent to rule Gotham makes an interesting plotline, and him fighting with batman will deliver a new level of action excitement to the batman movie. So I say Bane should be the next major villain.

1. Nolan has touched the iconic Jack Nicholson Joker and has outdone it. Could be done, Penguin portrayed as a mob boss like Sal Malroni, could be a force with a side villain as a pawn, similarly like Ras and Scarecrow, i can definately see Penguin trying to take over gotham via criminal underworld. With good public relations and smart moves, he could make himself look like the good guy, bringing new work and jobs to Gotham for example with his night clubs, but the are merely a cover for criminal activities.

2. agreed, ClayFace and Mr Freeze are too unreallistc

3. Obviously Two Face cannot carry his own movie, i do not doubt that he will be in the next movie, he is portrayed as a vigilante in TDK and will be an obstacle for Batman in the next film, its personal too if Two Faced Dent finds out about Rachel and Bruce. No one should easily give into Harvey's funeral when they know if he is indeed alive, itll be a hell of a ride next film

4. Joker. No comment.

5. Riddler im on the fence with, classic riddles Riddler is silly i agree, the ideas of riddles is silly. But if you put a Se7en or Saw spin on it, something really dark as well, it could work very well. Plus Gary Oldman said Riddler, unclear if it will happen or not but people think its gonna happen, i agree though, the Joker is the only one who can really mess with Batmans mindset

6. Ras, by means of Lazarus is unreal

Other Possibilities (side villain):

Bane: not as the main villain, he doesnt have issues with batman like Two Face or Ras, or Joker.

Catwoman: think The Office, Pam and Jim, 'sexual tension' that ultimaetly goes nowhere

Killer Croc: appeared in Gotham Knight, man with terrible medical skin condition top with mental illness, dont make him look EXACTLY like a crocodile, no tail, and was he stopped? we he could be used if, Riddler has a riddle that leads batman to sewers only to have him get attacked by croc, idk

as for Reaper, Hush and all em, are they known enough by general people to be satisfied?

All of his reasons are invalid & as much as I'd love to see Bane, I don't see it happening. Btw, DeVito's Penguin sucked & isn't iconic. That statement itself is laughable as is the comment that Two-Face can't carry a movie by himself. This guy is a joke, people. A five year old could probably come up with better reasons.

If Nolan would touch The Joker, after Nicholson's performance I don't see what would stop him from doing Penguin...

Personally, an actually good Riddler & Two-Face team up would be nice. I say make the Riddler sinister, and a little darker than usual, and equip him with hella weird riddles & puzzles. Bane would be nice, but he's too unrealistic to fit in this universe as well.

I can see the Penguin in a movie, like a mob boss. I would like that. Better than the orgin Burton gave him.

How about this:

Riddler is used as the smart bad guy that uses his wits to battle Batman. But, it would help if he uses somebody as his "muscle". Bane could be that muscle. Bane in Batman's universe could just be some steroid freak to make it more realistic.

Yeah, it would be. But, I still don't want Penguin in this series. Maybe it's just because I've never found him to be that interesting.

Originally posted by Myth
How about this:

Riddler is used as the smart bad guy that uses his wits to battle Batman. But, it would help if he uses somebody as his "muscle". Bane could be that muscle. Bane in Batman's universe could just be some steroid freak to make it more realistic.

exactly. Bane is just a muscle, a henchmen. steroids or probably be some performance enhancing drug.

Seeing Riddler team with Two Face i can take a gamble it would be a hell of a performance knowing Nolans films. It would put even jim carey and tommy lee jones to shame.

I don't see it happening in this universe, but maybe it's just me. I'd still prefer someone like the Riddler to team up with Two-Face.

Bane is not a muscle, just henchmen. The guy is smart. He knew rushing in taking out Batman would fail. So he busted the crazys out of Arkham, watching or spying on Batman's progress though the likes of the Hatter, Ivy, Joker, Scarcrow, Firefly, ete. And when he felt Batman was weak, he jump in and crush him. Than after beating Batman, Bane rein the show, he was number 1. Until the new Batman defeated Bane.

I relly dislike the way Bane was shown in Batman and Robin. If they just have Bane as a bodyguard in the new Batfilm, it will be a disgrace to Bane.

Bane may have strength, but he also has the brains to complete with Batman.

Originally posted by Da Joker
Yeah, it would be. But, I still don't want Penguin in this series. Maybe it's just because I've never found him to be that interesting.

Be a shame to have a Batman movie series getting wrap up with out the big 4 in there imo.
(The big 4 are Joker, Riddler, Catwoman and Penguin)

I'd never say Penguin is in the big four, or Catwoman since she's not really a villain. Hell, the big two alone are Two-Face & the Joker.

Twoface is not part of the big 4. Though out Batman's history the top 4 villians were Joker, Penguin, Riddler and Catwoman(Before she was revamp), Than after that, the rest of villians Twoface, Ivy, Scarcrow follow them.

They were the top 4, all 4 had a role in the 4 Batman movies(From Batman to Batman and Robin lol)

Hell by the time of Batman Forever, all 4 were in the movies. It would not be Batman imo with out these top tier villians in there some were. We been in 2 movies so far, and only ONE villian out of the big 4 show up.

I say Two-Face is in the big two/four/whatever.

I don't see why everyone wants Riddler so badly... Especially people saying they want him to team up with Two-Face AGAIN...

Let's see some new blood in these films... Nolan had the right idea, using Ras and Scarecrow... Then he used the mandatory Joker and Two-Face... Now let's see some more new faces... Reaper, Hush, Talia, etc.

And as a reply to xNIXSONx, did anyone in the general public know about or care about the comics 300, Sin City, or even The Crow before they became films? Probably not... It's all about how Nolan uses them... How he presents them... That'll make or break if people consider them big time villains or not...

We want the Riddler because he is such a great villian, but I perfer the Penguin.

FRACK NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. PLZ no.

The Penguin could be in this as a mob boss who has Riddler working for him. As i suggested in another thread Batman and Two-Face could team up to take down Riddler. In short I said that while there could be a triangle where everybody is out to get everyone until there's a point where Harvey and Batman have a chance to team up, and Harvey at first will not do it, but after a speech by Batman he changes his attitude and teams up with him. Unlike Forever, this has both Batman and Harvey redeem themselves by taking down Riddler, or the Penguin .

Although I'm not at all opposed to lesser known villains being introduced
like Mad Hatter or the Reaper ]Rachel, his daughter, is dead, it would make sense for him to become a vigilante.]

Originally posted by Starscream M
Here is why:

1. No penguin....danny devito's penguin was iconic, Nolan won't touch it...also penguin isn't intimidating enough for bale batman

Nicholson was so not iconic that Nolan wouldn't refuse to touch it, but DeVito is off limits? A breakdown in logic from the get-go.

Originally posted by Joker1237
Twoface is not part of the big 4. Though out Batman's history the top 4 villians were Joker, Penguin, Riddler and Catwoman(Before she was revamp), Than after that, the rest of villians Twoface, Ivy, Scarcrow follow them.

Dude what? You think the Penguin is more of a major player in Batman stories than Two Face? Are you a Batman fan at all?

Originally posted by xNIXSONx
as for Reaper, Hush and all em, are they known enough by general people to be satisfied?

Well Rhas wasn't very well known to the general public either.

Originally posted by Bat Dude
Um... No...

The Reaper...

'Nuff said...

Seriously man. What is it with you and The Reaper? That's all you seem to mention in every batman thread here. What makes you think he'd be more interesting than villains like The Riddler or Catwoman?


My opinion on Bane - I don't like hiim as the villain for the third movie. To me, he just isn't interesting enough. I just finished re-reading the whole "knightfall" story again, and I was more interested in whenever Batman came across random villains like Firefly and Zsaz.

How interesting could Nolan make a roid raging giant?

I wanna see Riddler done in a serious tone. I think Nolan should be the one to give an awesome Riddler.

Originally posted by Starscream M
Batman 3's Villain will be Baaaaane!

Here is why:

7. No rha's al ghul...I just didn't like his portrayal by Nesson.





Apparently Nolan considers Starscream's opinion.

Lol, why would Ra's even be on the list when he was blown to bits? Even the Lazarus Pit wouldn't save him because he was blown so sky high.

1. Bane as 'dumb muscle' was one of the (many) problems with the Schmuck's films.

2. Bane could very easily be realistic. Make 'Venom' a government super-steroid project gone wrong. I don't find that too unrealistic for Nolanverse.

3. Knightfall is one of the only storylines that has a hope of living up to The Dark Knight. Most anything else will be a disappointment.

I hope to see Bane or the Riddler brought in as Nolanverse's next villain. Perhaps with Catwoman as a side villain/love interest/something.

Originally posted by xNIXSONx
exactly. Bane is just a muscle, a henchmen. steroids or probably be some performance enhancing drug.



No hes not he figured out Batmans true identity and came up with a plan to break him.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
No hes not he figured out Batmans true identity and came up with a plan to break him.

i didnt read up on bane, but its these schumacher films that is making it very difficult to imagine these villains in nolanverse

k i wikied bane and it said Bane took down drug lords, and sometimes had the backin of batman. that would be interesting.

Originally posted by xNIXSONx
i didnt read up on bane, but its these schumacher films that is making it very difficult to imagine these villains in nolanverse

k i wikied bane and it said Bane took down drug lords, and sometimes had the backin of batman. that would be interesting.

Like I said, theres only 2-3 people that can get to Batman and thery are Joker, Bane and Hush. Forget Riddler he's a 2nd rate back up villain.

Originally posted by Quincy
Seriously man. What is it with you and The Reaper? That's all you seem to mention in every batman thread here. What makes you think he'd be more interesting than villains like The Riddler or Catwoman?

1. He's new to the general public: A lot of people in the general public don't know about him, thus, don't know what to expect from him... Giving the film a new layer of suspense that guys like Riddler couldn't supply...

2. Rachel is based on a comic character named Rachel Caspian, who just so happens to be Judson Caspian's daughter... You know who Judson Caspian is? That's right, he's The Reaper... After Gotham went to hell in Begins and Rachel died by the Joker's hand in TDK he'd have a reason to return to Gotham after a lengthy retirement in Europe...

3. The main part of the story in the next one is Batman being on the run and proving he isn't a murderous vigilante... What better way to prove he's truly Gotham's guardian than by stopping a murderous vigilante, in this case, The Reaper?

4. He's an awesome visual, awesomer than Riddler for sure (maybe not Catwoman, but then again, who's a better visual than Catwoman? )

See for yourself:
http://jerome.galica.free.fr/dc%20comics/Batman/ennemis/Reaper0.gif

And I remember reading somewhere that Nolan liked the character, and he used bits and pieces of the comic Year Two and it's sequel, Full Circle, in Begins (Joe Chill gets killed before Bruce can kill him, Rachel, Bruce throws the gun in the river, etc.) So it's not all that far fetched to think he'd use the villain in the next one...

Originally posted by xNIXSONx
i didnt read up on bane, but its these schumacher films that is making it very difficult to imagine these villains in nolanverse

k i wikied bane and it said Bane took down drug lords, and sometimes had the backin of batman. that would be interesting.

Forget schumacher. The film is based on the comic and if you read what Bane was like in the comics he would fit perfectly in Nolanverse

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Forget schumacher. The film is based on the comic and if you read what Bane was like in the comics he would fit perfectly in Nolanverse

its just schumach tainted my judgement, and the first thing that came to mind when i thought of Bane was that lol. But if he is as smart and strategic as he's supposed to be, he could work.

and to bat dude

3. there is already a murderous vigilante on the loose, Two Face. there is no way he's gone. "but but i thoguth he was dead?" "no. half."

Hmmm, I just read through Reaper's story. Not bad I suppose. I'd be a little bummed if he was the villain strictly because I like all of the others more.

But if they do use the reaper, they should have established his character as Rachel's father already.

Originally posted by xNIXSONx
and to bat dude

3. there is already a murderous vigilante on the loose, Two Face. there is no way he's gone. "but but i thoguth he was dead?" "no. half."

But the people don't know Harvey's a murderous vigilante... That's the whole reason he's taking the blame for Harvey's crimes... If he just showed up and gunned a person down, people would be like "Yo man, you lied to us!" and then rally around Batman again... That would make no sense... All that covering up would be for nothing... Not to mention it would be bad writing and very anti-climactic...

Reaper also has ties to Rachel, remember...

Originally posted by Bat Dude
But the people don't know Harvey's a murderous vigilante... That's the whole reason he's taking the blame for Harvey's crimes... If he just showed up and gunned a person down, people would be like "Yo man, you lied to us!" and then rally around Batman again... That would make no sense... All that covering up would be for nothing... Not to mention it would be bad writing and very anti-climactic...

Reaper also has ties to Rachel, remember...

people will know that their beloved D.A. is merely half dead corrupt bastard killing mobsters. That will throw the city back to sh*t knowing this. He doesnt just gun down anyone, he's smarter than that, and he'll leave his choices to the coin whether he kills or not, plus he already took out the detecs that got bought out by malroni and sal himself im guessing he's gonna go to bruce wayne next, cuz Rachel told Harvey TWICE that Bruce is someone that she can trust and then she was on the sh*t end of the other phoneline and and got blown to chunks Theres something personal that stems there. Bruce will probably say he would never do something to put rachel in harms way, and maybe even confess that he loved her, and theres some sh*t to go down, if you found out your dead girlfriend was still hanging around her ex while you were seeing her and he possibly had a helping hand in her demise, man....

Vin Diesel as Bane??? just pump him up and he's not a bad actor. Plus chicks love him so he's good for sales. He also has a cool voice.

http://www.tomsgames.com/us/fringedrinking/riddick1.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b266/ambuscade/Other%20Stuff/Chronicles_Riddick_handcuffs_L.jpg

Originally posted by Endrict Nuul
Vin Diesel as Bane??? just pump him up and he's not a bad actor. Plus chicks love him so he's good for sales. He also has a cool voice.

http://www.tomsgames.com/us/fringedrinking/riddick1.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b266/ambuscade/Other%20Stuff/Chronicles_Riddick_handcuffs_L.jpg

lmfao

ooooh man that is classic. K he does have a cool voice. IRON GIANT, but Diesel is second rate to Chuck Norris

why not get Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson

The Rock is a great actor, but when it comes to comic characters, ya gotta think logically with the casting. Neither the Rock nor Vin Diesel would be right as Bane. They'd get laughed at so hard it'd be ridiculous.

Originally posted by Da Joker
The Rock is a great actor, but when it comes to comic characters, ya gotta think logically with the casting. Neither the Rock nor Vin Diesel would be right as Bane. They'd get laughed at so hard it'd be ridiculous.

what about that dude Nathan Jones, the giant guy from The Protector, and Troy, he shouldve been the juggernaut in X3

Maybe Juggernaut but not Bane.

Originally posted by Da Joker
Maybe Juggernaut but not Bane.

who did you pitch for Bane

I really do hope that Bane is never again in a Batman film.

Not in this series, at least. I think he's a great Batman villain (a little underused) & that he can work in a movie, but not in Nolan's universe.

if they cast Bane...they're gonna really hafta revamp those fight scenes...since what made Bane famous was his eventual physical domination over Batman.

There's a lot that'll have to be changed, and even in this day & age, a guy who can pump steroids into his body & make himself huge, then go back to normal isn't too realistic.

Originally posted by Da Joker
There's a lot that'll have to be changed, and even in this day & age, a guy who can pump steroids into his body & make himself huge, then go back to normal isn't too realistic.


Not just that. That would also require Chris Nolan to use something he rarely ever does and thats cgi. For a lot of Bane's work would require cgi effects and Nolan rarely uses it.


Originally posted by SpyCspider
if they cast Bane...they're gonna really hafta revamp those fight scenes...since what made Bane famous was his eventual physical domination over Batman.

Thats possible, but since I doubt Nolan will do the Knightfall story, Bane will not be breaking Batman's back.

check out what i said about the Riddler in the Riddler Batman villain thread.

Er guys guys take a look at this link I think Killer croc is going to be the next villain after Two Face.

http://friendsofharveydent.org/

Look at Croc Jones.

Killer Croc could work. Just make him a huge guy (about 8 ft) with a skin disorder.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Er guys guys take a look at this link I think Killer croc is going to be the next villain after Two Face.

http://friendsofharveydent.org/

Look at Croc Jones.


I'm sure this the first of many rumors

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
I'm sure this the first of many rumors

man lol Echkart as the lobbyist in Thank You For Smoking lol

an yeah, Croc Jones?? is that a sign, itll just add fuel to the fire if along with Killer Croc in Gotham Knights...

I think the next villains could be:

Dead-Shot: Hired to take down Batman
Reaper: Armed with stolen and modified copy of the Batsuit from Wayne industries
and B.A.N.E. (Biological Alteration and Neural Enhancement expericment): The B.A.N.E. drug is stolen along with the Reaper Suit

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
I'm sure this the first of many rumors

Um I think thats an official site. Who do you think Croc Jones is?

Originally posted by Static_Pulse
I think the next villains could be:

Dead-Shot: Hired to take down Batman
Reaper: Armed with stolen and modified copy of the Batsuit from Wayne industries
and B.A.N.E. (Biological Alteration and Neural Enhancement expericment): The B.A.N.E. drug is stolen along with the Reaper Suit

deadshot was already in Gotham Knight.
who is reaper
Gary Oldman has said Riddler

Yes, he was, but is Gotham Knight an official live action movie? As for Gary Oldman saying the Riddler, he's more than likely saying the villain he'd like to be in the third movie. Nothing could possibly be official at this point as far as villains go, it's just too early. I'm still rooting for a Two-Face return.

Originally posted by Da Joker
Yes, he was, but is Gotham Knight an official live action movie? As for Gary Oldman saying the Riddler, he's more than likely saying the villain he'd like to be in the third movie. Nothing could possibly be official at this point as far as villains go, it's just too early. I'm still rooting for a Two-Face return.

i thought gotham knights was meant to be an anime short of some events between BB and TDK. and yes gary oldman probably used Riddler as an example, but no one in this thread has threw up castings for Bane either lol.

Reaper was an old man running around before batman killing crims then retired, got jealous of Batman getting the limelight so came out of retirement which lead to his death eventually after Bat's and him fight it out.

The his son became the next reaper etc. etc.

Bascially the TAS mask of the phantasm story.

Pretty lame Year Two etc. where Bat's and Joe Chill teamed up Bat's was running around using guns that's been retconned thankfully.

Originally posted by GGS
Reaper was an old man running around before batman killing crims then retired, got jealous of Batman getting the limelight so came out of retirement which lead to his death eventually after Bat's and him fight it out.

The his son became the next reaper etc. etc.

Bascially the TAS mask of the phantasm story.

Pretty lame Year Two etc. where Bat's and Joe Chill teamed up Bat's was running around using guns that's been retconned thankfully.

yeah i dont think Reaper could live up to the iconic and world reknowned Joker.

Originally posted by xNIXSONx
yeah i dont think Reaper could live up to the iconic and world reknowned Joker.

Nobody can....

Originally posted by Micheal_Myers
Nobody can....

well we cant throw around b-c list villains (that mainstream doesnt know) to replace him!! lol

Actually, we can, because their origin can simply be explained to some extent in the movie. But it's sad that when people think Batman villains they only think of the Joker. This proves that writers need to start using other villain's a lot more than they currently do.

Yeah, totally. A nine foot tall, towering behemoth of muscle mass thanks to the product of venom coursing through his body is totally realistic compared to a man born with physical deformities (penguin) or a circus freak with a rare skin disease (croc) let alone a mean who could easily cheat death and employs a league of ninjas (ghul). No, Bane takes it, right?

He doesn't have to be 9 ft or any of that. I can see a super serum working because scientists are actually working on that kind of thing. Bane is definitely realistic enough for Nolan's movies.

Originally posted by Da Joker
He doesn't have to be 9 ft or any of that. I can see a super serum working because scientists are actually working on that kind of thing. Bane is definitely realistic enough for Nolan's movies.

Nah, if you want realism, look at the Penguin (a deformed politician), the Riddler (Just a very smart man) even Harley or Catwoman (basically really athletic women).

Bane could be realistic too, bro. In fact, most of his rogue's gallery consist of villain's that could be incorporated into this universe.

I'd love to see Harley Quinn though.

Originally posted by Da Joker
Bane could be realistic too, bro.

If realism means stripping him of whatever makes him Bane, then for sure. They'd have to explain the concept of a super-serum, I don't know how they're coing to incorperate venom into the whole thing like they do in the comic, and if that's the case, why can't it work for any other villain.

Mr. Freeze, a science experiment went wrong and left his entire body vulnerable to heat, thus he incorperates a suit to maintain his body temperature. See, how's that far off?

Mr. Freeze isn't far off at all because there are people like that in real life. Bane can be done as well because they are actually working on a super serum that, when injected into a certain part of the body, causes it to grow more when one is training and repair itself quicker. Bane is very possible.

Originally posted by Da Joker
Mr. Freeze isn't far off at all because there are people like that in real life. Bane can be done as well because they are actually working on a super serum that, when injected into a certain part of the body, causes it to grow more when one is training and repair itself quicker. Bane is very possible.

Is this serum composed of, or originate from venom? I doubt that. We're not gonna get a Bane onscreen that isn't a venom-junkie, that would be out of character. One thing is a prop like the Scarecrow's scythe but another thing is what makes that character unique.

Why does it have to be venom? They're going for realism, and venom isn't really important. Have it be scientific, have him be virtually addicted to it, and there you go.

Originally posted by Da Joker
Why does it have to be venom? They're going for realism, and venom isn't really important. Have it be scientific, have him be virtually addicted to it, and there you go.

Venom based steriods is what makes Bane, dude. It's like the Scarecrow using laughing gas instead of fear toxin. It makes the character.

As I said, if they want to be realistic, they'll use realistic components that could possibly actually make it and possibly have it codenamed venom.

Originally posted by Da Joker
As I said, if they want to be realistic, they'll use realistic components that could possibly actually make it and possibly have it codenamed venom.

Yes, but that would be stupid and a huge cop out. It would upset many who are indeed fans of Bane. It's like integrating electronic lights on swords that amplify it's power and dubbing the project 'lightsabers'. It's not needed and seems like they're just splitting hairs for that extra bit off realism.

Venom or not, as I said, Bane can work in this universe. The venom argument is kind of ridiculous to me.

Originally posted by Da Joker
Venom or not, as I said, Bane can work in this universe. The venom argument is kind of ridiculous to me.

Dude, seriously. The only component that makes Bane who he is has been branded ridiculous by you? Is integrating Poison Ivy's love of nature a ridiculous argument for you as well if she is somehow added to the next film's roster?

Ivy is a horrible villane so I could care less what changes they make to her in any incarnation but I know she better not ever be in Nolan's world. Bane on the other hand, as I said, can be done if they simply codename whatever they use venom. Simple as that.

Originally posted by Da Joker
Ivy is a horrible villane so I could care less what changes they make to her in any incarnation but I know she better not ever be in Nolan's world. Bane on the other hand, as I said, can be done if they simply codename whatever they use venom. Simple as that.

That's gonna suck for Bane fans.

It won't at all.

Originally posted by Da Joker
It won't at all.

You can speak for the Bane fans? It's alright to take the integral part that makes a character buff to the max and substitute something else?

It won't suck for me at all, and I doubt Bane fans are going to go into a hell of a frenzy over it just being codenamed venom.

Originally posted by Da Joker
It won't suck for me at all, and I doubt Bane fans are going to go into a hell of a frenzy over it just being codenamed venom.

Totally, just like Joker fans didn't go into a frenzy when they found out Ledger's Joker was gonna wear face paint, when everyone knows his entire skin is white. It's the little things that matter man, just because they are unimportant to you, doesn't mean hardcore fans of a said character won't mind.

Actually, fans didn't go into a frenzy. Most were generally accepting of it because of how well it'd fit into this universe. Of course there are some idiots who still think the Joker will be permawhite in the next movie.

Originally posted by Da Joker
Actually, fans didn't go into a frenzy. Most were generally accepting of it because of how well it'd fit into this universe. Of course there are some idiots who still think the Joker will be permawhite in the next movie.

Really? You must've been out of the loop then, that's all I heard before the movie was released. Just ask Mr. Parker here on KMC, he didn't like the idea of make up, and i'd watch who you call an idiot seeing how it's not a bad thing to have Joker permawhite, since he's supposed to be permawhite...

You are an idiot if you seriously think Nolan will bring him back and make him permawhite. And I was and still am on more active forums: superherohype.com/forums and they were conflicted, but it grew on them. But they weren't bashing the idea.

Originally posted by Da Joker
You are an idiot if you seriously think Nolan will bring him back and make him permawhite. And I was and still am on more active forums: superherohype.com/forums and they were conflicted, but it grew on them. But they weren't bashing the idea.

Reported.

Reported for what? Boy, please.

Originally posted by Da Joker
Reported for what? Boy, please.

You're bashing behavior, what world do you live in where you think you can honestly talk down to people and call them idiots.

The Mods won't do anything because I wasn't referring specifically to anyone. As I said, an idiot thinks that he will go permawhite because Nolan already showed and said it ain't happening. Mmkay?

Originally posted by Da Joker
The Mods won't do anything because I wasn't referring specifically to anyone. As I said, an idiot thinks that he will go permawhite because Nolan already showed and said it ain't happening. Mmkay?

You're last post before this where you called me 'boy' is called inflammatory posting.

Originally posted by Da Joker
You are an idiot if you seriously think Nolan will bring him back and make him permawhite.

This applies to me, so you're in return calling me an idiot just for thinking something different than you.

You never said he'd go permawhite, so I wasn't referring to you. You just like to play victim is all, along with a lot of people here.

Originally posted by Da Joker
You never said he'd go permawhite, so I wasn't referring to you. You just like to play victim is all, along with a lot of people here.

Dude, calm down. I do think he'd go permawhite soon enough since it would make sense and follow the comic and the reason people play the victim in your eyes is because you're a very hostile poster who assumes too much.

Do you realize how unrealistic it'd be for him to go permawhite? And I'm not hostile at all.

I liked the scarring i think it did well for him, added something extra to him as well.

Still i put my cards on the table it will be..........well you know

I hope Bane gets redeemed. Shoe-Shlacker ruined his character.

Originally posted by Scythe
You're last post before this where you called me 'boy' is called inflammatory posting.



This applies to me, so you're in return calling me an idiot just for thinking something different than you. OK... now you are coming across an idiot. Stop being a bloody drama queen. He called you 'boy'. I feel your pain...

Originally posted by The Heap
I hope Bane gets redeemed. Shoe-Shlacker ruined his character.

Retarded wrestler reject, i agree, it was sad to see him like that, when you consider the comic version broke Batmans back!!!

Originally posted by Neo Darkhalen
Retarded wrestler reject, i agree, it was sad to see him like that, when you consider the comic version broke Batmans back!!!

Exactly, Movie Bane was such a Dope, freakin' Wonka could of kicked his ass.

Originally posted by Almighty Bauer
OK... now you are coming across an idiot. Stop being a bloody drama queen. He called you 'boy'. I feel your pain...

Great, and then someone comes along to add their 2 cents and fuel this already laughable conversation. Brilliant.

The fact is, I think Joker should be permewhite, he's the Joker, not Krusty the Clown. Bane should somehow manage to have venom incorperated into his body, it makes the character.

Originally posted by Da Joker
Personally, an actually good Riddler & Two-Face team up would be nice. I say make the Riddler sinister, and a little darker than usual, and equip him with hella weird riddles & puzzles. Bane would be nice, but he's too unrealistic to fit in this universe as well.
And they can call it "Batman Forever". ermm

Bane in Batman 3? I hope so, but anything can go at this point.

Originally posted by Da Joker
Personally, an actually good Riddler & Two-Face team up would be nice.

I smell Batman Forever

But yeah, Nolan could definitely make it work. After seeing what he's done with BB and TDK, I think he is a god.

At lest we won't get a dumbed down version of Bane.

Originally posted by Neo Darkhalen
At lest we won't get a dumbed down version of Bane.


What wrestler or bodybuilder do you want to play Bane?

Why would you want another wrestler for the role that would ruin him once again? We need someone who can act for the role.

Originally posted by Da Joker
Why would you want another wrestler for the role that would ruin him once again? We need someone who can act for the role.


A wrestler or body builder is the logical choice. the character of Bane is one where acting is not a requirement. And unless a normal actor can bulk up to 300 lbs +, I can only see another wrestler or bod builder in the role at this point should Bane be casted

Are you serious? Bane isn't just some dumb henchman that you cast a bodybuilder for. There's much more to his character, and wrestlers can't act worth a shit, so casting a wrestler is wrong. To say acting isn't a requirement for Bane shows you know nothing of the character.

Originally posted by Scythe
Is this serum composed of, or originate from venom? I doubt that. We're not gonna get a Bane onscreen that isn't a venom-junkie, that would be out of character. One thing is a prop like the Scarecrow's scythe but another thing is what makes that character unique.

You haven't read many Bane stories, have you?

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
A wrestler or body builder is the logical choice. the character of Bane is one where acting is not a requirement. And unless a normal actor can bulk up to 300 lbs +, I can only see another wrestler or bod builder in the role at this point should Bane be casted LYNCH! LYNCH! LYNCH!!!

Originally posted by Da Joker
Are you serious? Bane isn't just some dumb henchman that you cast a bodybuilder for. There's much more to his character, and wrestlers can't act worth a shit, so casting a wrestler is wrong. To say acting isn't a requirement for Bane shows you know nothing of the character.


I know a lot about Bane. I have all his appearances. I doubt there is an actor out there that will gain a ton of weight/muscle to even resemble Bane. The closest you can get would be to handle to Bane would be a wrestler or body builder. That being said, I doubt if Bane would even be in Nolanverse. I highly doubt if Nolan will do any aspect of the Knightfall stroyline.



Originally posted by Almighty Bauer
LYNCH! LYNCH! LYNCH!!!


I'm just giving my honest opinion.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
I know a lot about Bane. I have all his appearances. I doubt there is an actor out there that will gain a ton of weight/muscle to even resemble Bane. The closest you can get would be to handle to Bane would be a wrestler or body builder. That being said, I doubt if Bane would even be in Nolanverse. I highly doubt if Nolan will do any aspect of the Knightfall stroyline.



The problem people had was that you said that Bane's role required no acting. Do you really expect the Rock to portray such a complex character as Bane? And even if they didn't use any elements of Knightfall, the character would still be Bane! BANE! He's not some bloody henchman!!!! So go and watch Batman and Robin!!!

If he actually had any appearances, he'd know that Bane requires as much acting as any other villain because he's not just a henchmen.

Originally posted by Almighty Bauer
The problem people had was that you said that Bane's role required no acting. Do you really expect the Rock to portray such a complex character as Bane? And even if they didn't use any elements of Knightfall, the character would still be Bane! BANE! He's not some bloody henchman!!!! So go and watch Batman and Robin!!!


Originally posted by Da Joker
If he actually had any appearances, he'd know that Bane requires as much acting as any other villain because he's not just a henchmen.


First off, I haven't even read the Dwayne Johnson was even up for the role. I didn't relaize that Bane was melado.(not sure if I spelled that right).

Yes Bane is just a henchman, he was hired to a job when broke Batman back in Batman # 497. If Bane was more that just a henchman, then he would be able to think for yourself and he realey does. And yes I watch Batman and Robin every other day solely for the purpose of seeing Uma Thurman. No Bane would be just Bane. If he is going to be in a Batman film and that highly debatable right now in this singular point in time then their will probably be aspects of the Knightfall stroyline. You can't have Bane all of a sudden just watch Batman night and day, tire him out and then attempt to break his back without their being any rhyme or reason for it.

He's not up for the role.

Also, a henchman is someone who accompanies a man in charge. When you're hired for a job you're an assassian, not a henchman, there's a difference. Bane is not just any old villain that can be done any other way, so we need an accomplished actor, not a wrestler. In fact, the only wrestler that's ever shown any great acting ability is Dwayne Johnson and no one else. NO WRESTLERS.

Originally posted by Da Joker
He's not up for the role.

Also, a henchman is someone who accompanies a man in charge. When you're hired for a job you're an assassian, not a henchman, there's a difference. Bane is not just any old villain that can be done any other way, so we need an accomplished actor, not a wrestler. In fact, the only wrestler that's ever shown any great acting ability is Dwayne Johnson and no one else. NO WRESTLERS.

But alas Dwayne is still a wrestler at heart. Bane is a hired gun no matter how you cut it. If he is ever in another Batmanwehich I hope not, he will be hired to do a job. In many cultures Henchman are the exact same as assassins. You don't really need an accomplished actor for a someone like Bane who is full of muscles.

Dwayne is not a wrestler at heart, he's an actor, and he was a great wrestler, but he's an actor now, not a wrestler. He's an actor at heart, there's a reason he's the only WWE superstar ever who actually had acting talent. As for Bane, anyone here will tell you he's not just a muscleman, there's so much more to his character. But, you're obviously having a hard time comprehending this so I'll leave it up to someone else.

Originally posted by Bardock42
You haven't read many Bane stories, have you?

Yeah, I actually have. Bane spent alot of time in prison, so he used literature to expand his mind, the dude's really smart, contrary to what people believe, but to me, utilizing the venom steroid gimmick made his character to me. Seriously, Bane has class. He's had quite a long time to develope his mind before breaking Batman.

Yep, all of that is important, the venom is not.

Originally posted by Da Joker
Yep, all of that is important, the venom is not.


You're missing the whole point, all that is important, but the venom is important to me, and quite a few others I know. Don't speak for everyone.

Dude, the venom isn't what makes Bane what he is as a person. He was no doubt exactly the same before he got the venom. It doens't have to even be killed that, that's my point.

Originally posted by Da Joker
It doens't have to even be killed that, that's my point.

I'm sorry, what?

I got threads mixed up but I meant the venom doesn't have to be called venom, Bane can be done regardless of the name of what the drug is called.

Originally posted by Da Joker
Dwayne is not a wrestler at heart, he's an actor, and he was a great wrestler, but he's an actor now, not a wrestler. He's an actor at heart, there's a reason he's the only WWE superstar ever who actually had acting talent. As for Bane, anyone here will tell you he's not just a muscleman, there's so much more to his character. But, you're obviously having a hard time comprehending this so I'll leave it up to someone else.


There is nothing for me to comprehend. I'm giving my own opinion. Just like you and everyone else. I will not go to your level and have an argument.

Originally posted by Da Joker
I got threads mixed up but I meant the venom doesn't have to be called venom, Bane can be done regardless of the name of what the drug is called.

Well that just sucks the fun out of everything. For him to be presented onscreen and please most of the Bane fans that I know, he has to be smart, physically buff as it is, years of experience, and use venom...

Dude, there is no opinion involved, there's much more to Bane than just his muscles.

Originally posted by Da Joker
Dude, there is no opinion involved, there's much more to Bane than just his muscles.

Hahaha.

So, I guess you've just reverted to posting useless garbage since you know you're wrong.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker

Yes Bane is just a henchman, he was hired to a job when broke Batman back in Batman # 497. If Bane was more that just a henchman, then he would be able to think for yourself and he realey does. And yes I watch Batman and Robin every other day solely for the purpose of seeing Uma Thurman. No Bane would be just Bane. If he is going to be in a Batman film and that highly debatable right now in this singular point in time then their will probably be aspects of the Knightfall stroyline. You can't have Bane all of a sudden just watch Batman night and day, tire him out and then attempt to break his back without their being any rhyme or reason for it.

He wasn't hired to break Batman. He broke him to become Gotham's 'king', etc, and because he was insane. He's not just some hired gun!!!

Originally posted by Almighty Bauer
He wasn't hired to break Batman. He broke him to become Gotham's 'king', etc, and because he was insane. He's not just some hired gun!!!

I think he is, he's always shown as hired muscle, it would be good if Riddler was the main villain and employed Bane to cause distraction to Batman, considering Riddler does not have strength on his side, he could use Bane as distraction or to impede Batmans progress from getting to one part of Gotham and solve the riddle.

Bane IS, nowadays, just a "super-thug". He wasn't around the time he snapped Batman's back but nowadays he's just some dumbed-down thug.

Originally posted by Da Joker
So, I guess you've just reverted to posting useless garbage since you know you're wrong.

Ahaha, great! I love the inflammatory posting, why must you be so negative? Just have fun, I'm tellin' ya this character is not gonna work for me because of minor differences and you're saying it doesn't matter, seriously, how stupid does that sound? Tell me what else I like since you're great at that.

Scythe, you do realize Nolan's Batman movie's are heavily based on realism, right?

There's no such thing as a super-steroid, unless we're talking about PcP here.

Bane could work easily. Just have him as a Hitman for the Mafia that abuses basic forms of steroids and happens to be a pretty muscular guy to begin with.

He'd simply wear a mask to hide his identity.

Originally posted by The Heap
Scythe, you do realize Nolan's Batman movie's are heavily based on realism, right?

There's no such thing as a super-steroid, unless we're talking about PcP here.

Bane could work easily. Just have him as a Hitman for the Mafia that abuses basic forms of steroids and happens to be a pretty muscular guy to begin with.

He'd simply wear a mask to hide his identity.

Yeah, and I understand that, but to me it's the little things that make the character. Joker's suppose to be permawhite, not wear make-up, that really didn't do it for me.

Originally posted by Scythe
Yeah, I actually have. Bane spent alot of time in prison, so he used literature to expand his mind, the dude's really smart, contrary to what people believe, but to me, utilizing the venom steroid gimmick made his character to me. Seriously, Bane has class. He's had quite a long time to develope his mind before breaking Batman.

Overcoming the addiction and still be on top was what impressed me.

I thought the venom itself was always just a small part. His true greatness were the stories where he didn't have it and need it anymore (or yet).

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker

Yes Bane is just a henchman, he was hired to a job when broke Batman back in Batman # 497. If Bane was more that just a henchman, then he would be able to think for yourself and he realey does.


The hell is ****ing wrong with all you people. Do you somehow not understand the nuances in any Batman villain. Christ almighty.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Overcoming the addiction and still be on top was what impressed me.

I thought the venom itself was always just a small part. His true greatness were the stories where he didn't have it and need it anymore (or yet).

I think so too, but you see now why I think the venom is important, without it he can't overcome it. An origin story would be nice if it incorperated venom. Bane is an amazing villain, he freakin' figured out Batman's identity in a few months.

Originally posted by Scythe
I think so too, but you see now why I think the venom is important, without it he can't overcome it. An origin story would be nice if it incorperated venom. Bane is an amazing villain, he freakin' figured out Batman's identity in a few months.

Some sort of venom would be good, I don't think it needs to be exactly like it was in the comics.

And I liked the make up Joker.

I think if Bane was brought in by the police or by some of the corrupt cops to kill batman it could work, or like i said if he is employed by Riddler, as for the Venom, i guess you could have it that he was a snitch or something in the mob when he was young, and they tested a new highly unstable drug on him...causing him to eradicate anyone against the law, something in that ball park.

Originally posted by Neo Darkhalen
I think if Bane was brought in by the police or by some of the corrupt cops to kill batman it could work, or like i said if he is employed by Riddler, as for the Venom, i guess you could have it that he was a snitch or something in the mob when he was young, and they tested a new highly unstable drug on him...causing him to eradicate anyone against the law, something in that ball park.

Bane is never the guy that just follows orders. He always has his own plan. If they were just going to make him dumb muscle again, they might as well leave him out for all I care.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Some sort of venom would be good, I don't think it needs to be exactly like it was in the comics.

And I liked the make up Joker. I agree 100%. Why, if Scarecrow can have a fear toxin, can Bane not have some kind of extremely strong, addictive steroid? It's not like it has to be the super-soldier serum or something...

Originally posted by Almighty Bauer
I agree 100%. Why, if Scarecrow can have a fear toxin, can Bane not have some kind of extremely strong, addictive steroid? It's not like it has to be the super-soldier serum or something...

Now that is a good idea, have the Scarecrow invent the Venom...that would work really well.

Originally posted by Neo Darkhalen
Now that is a good idea, have the Scarecrow invent the Venom...that would work really well. Ah, yes, of course... that was my master plan.

I think you guys are looking at this in the wrong manner. Have a quick logical view at what B3 will be about:

i) Batman is on the run. Thus the film will be more of a redemptive process, whereby Batman has to show himself as 'good' while on the run from the police and negative public opinion.

ii) This means that the film will not have the time to bring out a complicated villain like the Riddler who would need a whole movie of his own just to develop the character well

iii) Also consider that Nolan's work is gritty genius ....he makes criminal movies where the heroes and villains just happen to wear costumes. This realistic bent instantly eliminates a lot of people like the Ventriloquist and Killer Croc as too unreal (honestly ....think of a Nolan Batman with a talking wooden dummy on someone's hand)

iv) As for Catwoman, she falls into the same basket as Robin. Interesting material, but too easy to mess up the movie and would require a whole movie (or more) to adequately develop them in a way that will fit in the Nolan universe.

v) Also consider that since the Batman will be fleeing from the cops, there is a likelihood that the criminal underground will also put out a hit on the Batman (bringing the possibility of some villains like Bane, Deadshot and Cain into play, who would fit in the Nolan universe and not require an entire movie to accomplish character development).

vi) Finally consider that B3 will be the last Nolan movie if he decides to make it a trilogy. This means he will be finishing it with a big bang, and thus will not take OBVIOUSLY silly tangents like some are mentioning here (like a team up between the Riddler and Two-face, which would be a really horrible way to wrap up the trilogy; or the Penguin which could easily make the gritty world of Nolan look like a Disneyworld freakshow).

Remember that the Batman films in Nolan's universe are supposed to be as real as they can get. As stated, the Godfather but with halloween costumes. Also note that it is the last movie and thus needs to end with a bang, and that the theme for the movie is ALREADY set (Batman on the run) which means that there might not be sufficient space for COMPLEX character development (which a GOOD reboot of Catwoman or the Penguin would require).

And finally consider that this is the movie where the Big Reveal of the Batcave will occur (since the Wayne Manor will have been finished, with the upgraded cave). Thus means there is a risk the movie would be too busy if all the ideas people are throwing about were implemented.

Also consider how Nolan thinks.

I'd say people are approaching this in the wrong way.

Scarecrow doesn't have to make the venom. If anything, they can introduce Croc and have Scarecrow be the reason he's even more ****ed up than before.

Originally posted by spetznaz
I think you guys are looking at this in the wrong manner. Have a quick logical view at what B3 will be about:

i) Batman is on the run. Thus the film will be more of a redemptive process, whereby Batman has to show himself as 'good' while on the run from the police and negative public opinion.

ii) This means that the film will not have the time to bring out a complicated villain like the Riddler who would need a whole movie of his own just to develop the character well

iii) Also consider that Nolan's work is gritty genius ....he makes criminal movies where the heroes and villains just happen to wear costumes. This realistic bent instantly eliminates a lot of people like the Ventriloquist and Killer Croc as too unreal (honestly ....think of a Nolan Batman with a talking wooden dummy on someone's hand)

iv) As for Catwoman, she falls into the same basket as Robin. Interesting material, but too easy to mess up the movie and would require a whole movie (or more) to adequately develop them in a way that will fit in the Nolan universe.

v) Also consider that since the Batman will be fleeing from the cops, there is a likelihood that the criminal underground will also put out a hit on the Batman (bringing the possibility of some villains like Bane, Deadshot and Cain into play, who would fit in the Nolan universe and not require an entire movie to accomplish character development).

vi) Finally consider that B3 will be the last Nolan movie if he decides to make it a trilogy. This means he will be finishing it with a big bang, and thus will not take OBVIOUSLY silly tangents like some are mentioning here (like a team up between the Riddler and Two-face, which would be a really horrible way to wrap up the trilogy; or the Penguin which could easily make the gritty world of Nolan look like a Disneyworld freakshow).

Remember that the Batman films in Nolan's universe are supposed to be as real as they can get. As stated, the Godfather but with halloween costumes. Also note that it is the last movie and thus needs to end with a bang, and that the theme for the movie is ALREADY set (Batman on the run) which means that there might not be sufficient space for COMPLEX character development (which a GOOD reboot of Catwoman or the Penguin would require).

And finally consider that this is the movie where the Big Reveal of the Batcave will occur (since the Wayne Manor will have been finished, with the upgraded cave). Thus means there is a risk the movie would be too busy if all the ideas people are throwing about were implemented.

Also consider how Nolan thinks.

I'd say people are approaching this in the wrong way.

I understand your points, but i think Riddler is rather realistic, he's a man with obsessive compulsive disorder, a desire to create riddles, he can be a real gritty villain.

Bane and Black mask would work well for a 3rd film, but i think Riddler can be adapted into the next film, even if it be a more recent adaptation where he is a private detective.

Riddler would be best for the third movie for sure. They could possibly include Killer Croc as well which he could possibly use as his muscle. Or, they could have Scarecrow have a bigger role and in addition to the Riddler, we get Scarecrow who has come up with an even more lethal fear toxin which he happened to test on Killer Croc, making him even worse than before. All of that could totally work.

Scarecrow was made into a common crook in the TDK, which pissed me off since I'm a big Scarecrow fan. His movie use seems practically over to me and Killer Crox just seems to be less believable than Bane.

How so? Croc is the result of a skin disease, and if he's done the way he was in Gotham Knight, he'd be very believable.

Originally posted by Da Joker
How so? Croc is the result of a skin disease, and if he's done the way he was in Gotham Knight, he'd be very believable.

No, epic fail. Killer Croc in Gotham Knight looked realistic for a cartoon, but live action? Hell no. Bane would look more realistic, and although Croc has a rare skin disease, he's probably the best choice since they'll want just any villain to throw in the mix while Batman escapes the police and yadda yadda. They'll most likely have two villains, one minor and the other major. Croc doesn't seem to be anything major if he's to fit Nolan's world.

Originally posted by spetznaz
v) Also consider that since the Batman will be fleeing from the cops, there is a likelihood that the criminal underground will also put out a hit on the Batman (bringing the possibility of some villains like Bane, Deadshot and Cain into play, who would fit in the Nolan universe and not require an entire movie to accomplish character development).



NO! NO! NO! BANE NEEDS CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT! HOW MANY TIMES MUST I SAY HE'S NOT JUST SOME DUMBASS HIRED THUG!?

Originally posted by Almighty Bauer
NO! NO! NO! BANE NEEDS CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT! HOW MANY TIMES MUST I SAY HE'S NOT JUST SOME DUMBASS HIRED THUG!?

I actually agree that Bane is not a simple character. In the comics he is quite intelligent, and came up with a plan to systematically break Batman's mind and constitution, before literally breaking his back.

It is only in the cartoons that he is portrayed as a brick, and in the Schumaker (spelling wrong) movie where he is depicted as a brainless muscle-head.

However, his level of complexity in the Nolan universe would be far less than that required for someone like Catwoman. Which is why I included him there.

If that is too much, I also included people like Cain or Deadshot as replacements.

As complex as Bane may be, he is nowhere near as complex as someone like Catwoman. Doing a sophisticated latin American criminal mastermind who likes taking a physical angle as a coup de gras to finish a crippling mental game is far easier than having a lithe female who jumps from rooftop to rooftop and likes to purr.

Particularly in Nolan's universe.

I hope that makes sense.

Originally posted by spetznaz
I actually agree that Bane is not a simple character. In the comics he is quite intelligent, and came up with a plan to systematically break Batman's mind and constitution, before literally breaking his back.

It is only in the cartoons that he is portrayed as a brick, and in the Schumaker (spelling wrong) movie where he is depicted as a brainless muscle-head.

However, his level of complexity in the Nolan universe would be far less than that required for someone like Catwoman. Which is why I included him there.

If that is too much, I also included people like Cain or Deadshot as replacements.

As complex as Bane may be, he is nowhere near as complex as someone like Catwoman. Doing a sophisticated latin American criminal mastermind who likes taking a physical angle as a coup de gras to finish a crippling mental game is far easier than having a lithe female who jumps from rooftop to rooftop and likes to purr.

Particularly in Nolan's universe.

I hope that makes sense.
Fair enough. I'm just ultra-defensive of Bane with certain morons on this forum who seem to think he's more like the character portrayed by some bullshit wrestler in Batman and Robin than the complex character of Knightfall. But, yes, OK... I see what you mean.

Bane.

He's more than just a jackass thug.