Dateline: To Catch A Predator

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chithappens
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Is this even moral?

If you dangle a carrot in front of a rabbit, he will chase it so can you call them predators?

botankus
I saw the show about two years ago. I figured it was all a big reality show, a.k.a. staged just like all reality shows are. Like the subjects are completely oblivious to the fact that a big-ass TV camera and full crew is standing around while they're supposed to be exhibiting normal behavior.

Bardock42
Originally posted by chithappens
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Is this even moral?

If you dangle a carrot in front of a rabbit, he will chase it so can you call them predators?

Personally I object to the label of "predator" when the "prey" tries to jump in the mouth of it's "predator". But meh.

Robtard
Originally posted by Bardock42
Personally I object to the label of "predator" when the "prey" tries to jump in the mouth of it's "predator". But meh.

That assumes that these men aren't online looking for children to **** and we're lurked in by just the decoys.

The way the sting is laid out, the predator contacts the prey, not the other way around, or else it wouldn't be legal.

Bardock42
Originally posted by Robtard
That assumes that these men aren't online looking for children to **** and we're lurked in by just the decoys.

The way the sting is laid out, the predator contacts the prey, not the other way around, or else it wouldn't be legal.

Yeah, that assumes that innocent until proven guilty. But at least the episodes I have seen always had the "prey" consciously asking for sex, etc. It's just a bit weird.

chithappens
Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, that assumes that innocent until proven guilty. But at least the episodes I have seen always had the "prey" consciously asking for sex, etc. It's just a bit weird.

Exactly.

It's like a wife telling a gorgeous model to "be around" her husband until he flirts and then she jumps from underneath the table, "Ahhhhhhhhhhhh HA! I knew you cheating mother****er!"

laughing

Robtard
Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, that assumes that innocent until proven guilty. But at least the episodes I have seen always had the "prey" consciously asking for sex, etc. It's just a bit weird.

They are innocent until proven guilty; I believe the show states this.

You're wrong, the decoy does't go into "sex talks" until the scum engages first.

As asked by the host on almost every episode, "if the person has a tagline of 'I'm a 14 year old girl', why do you begin talking with her inappropriately in the first place?"

Bardock42
Originally posted by Robtard
They are innocent until proven guilty; I belive the show states this.

You're wrong, the decoy does't go into "sex talks" until the scum engages first.

As asked by the host on almost every episode, "if the person has a tagline of 'I'm a 14 year old girl', why do you begin talking with her inappropriately in the first place?"

But they do engage in sex talk and show to be willing. That's what I was referring to.

chithappens
Look, this is the thing (just like with all other issues of "saving the kids"wink:

A child is on the internet having sexual discussions with an adult... WTF is the child doing chatting with an adult anyway? Why hasn't the parent talked to their child about "sexual predators" online?

I don't think a man should be trying to filter through chat rooms to look for willing teenage girls, but at the same time why is the teenager entertaining the idea? I can only take the child innocence thing so far and the parents need to take some blame for that mess.

It's not like getting snatched up on the street or being bribed with candy sweets. It's chatting so you can just click the X on the top right corner.

FistOfThe North
The show smell scripted, to me. No one can be that stupid. One guy got caught twice; on the same show. On 2 different episodes.

Robtard
Originally posted by chithappens
Look, this is the thing (just like with all other issues of "saving the kids"wink:

A child is on the internet having sexual discussions with an adult... WTF is the child doing chatting with an adult anyway? Why hasn't the parent talked to their child about "sexual predators" online?

I don't think a man should be trying to filter through chat rooms to look for willing teenage girls, but at the same time why is the teenager entertaining the idea? I can only take the child innocence thing so far and the parents need to take some blame for that mess.

It's not like getting snatched up on the street or being bribed with candy sweets. It's chatting so you can just click the X on the top right corner.

Possibly because one is a child and the other is an adult and the latter should know better than to indulge? No?

If a 14 year old asks you to buy them cigarettes and booze, is it okay for you as an adult to do so because they asked?

Those that just chat don't get busted, it's the ones that show up to the house with the intention of ****ing a kid that do, see?

chithappens
Kids are not dumb. Let's stop acting like they can't think.

Jovan
Originally posted by chithappens
Look, this is the thing (just like with all other issues of "saving the kids"wink:

A child is on the internet having sexual discussions with an adult... WTF is the child doing chatting with an adult anyway? Why hasn't the parent talked to their child about "sexual predators" online?

I don't think a man should be trying to filter through chat rooms to look for willing teenage girls, but at the same time why is the teenager entertaining the idea? I can only take the child innocence thing so far and the parents need to take some blame for that mess.

It's not like getting snatched up on the street or being bribed with candy sweets. It's chatting so you can just click the X on the top right corner.
those guys aren't chatting, they actually go to presumed house of the kid they're talking sexual stuff to

I do believe it was stated a few times in the shows that they couldn't touch those guys unless they actually go to the house because than they undisputedly show their will to continue what they discussed.
Also, I thought such chats in some of the states were illegal but it's been a long while since they showed the shows here...

Robtard
Originally posted by chithappens
Kids are not dumb. Let's stop acting like they can't think.

Non sequiter and a dodge.

chithappens
The kid would not even have a sexual discussion online if their parents talked to them! Why is that so hard to get?

Parents can get their kids to believe a man parted the Red Sea but they can't get them to not have "inappropriate" discussions with adults?

Really, that's hard to believe.

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by chithappens
The kid would not even have a sexual discussion online if their parents talked to them! Why is that so hard to get?

Parents can get their kids to believe a man parted the Red Sea but they can't get them to not have "inappropriate" discussions with adults?

Really, that's hard to believe.

Having sex with a child is not justified by the parent's failing to give the kid internet safety lectures.

chithappens
................ The kid should not even be in that situation is what I'm getting @.

=Tired Hiker=
I love when they sit down and eat the cookies. laughing

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by chithappens
................ The kid should not even be in that situation is what I'm getting @.

So? That's a terrible reason not to try catching child rapists.

Robtard
Originally posted by chithappens
The kid would not even have a sexual discussion online if their parents talked to them! Why is that so hard to get?

Parents can get their kids to believe a man parted the Red Sea but they can't get them to not have "inappropriate" discussions with adults?

Really, that's hard to believe.

Because children always obey their parents and do what they say. Tell me, did you?

inimalist
its a tough one

the show is immoral

the sting is not

it is terrible and dishonest, but the fact remains, even if the kid is jumping your cock, you have to say no. Underage kids are not legally able to consent, and it HAS to be the adult that is mature

and no, this doesn't take human psychology into account

chithappens
I'm not sure why people act like everything is always so black and white (meaning very simple; not race).

Robtard
How is it immoral when the decoy pretending to be the 14 year old factually isn't "jumping your cock"? The men are the ones that initially engage the decoy, bring up sex and they have to show up at the house before anything can happen to them.

It relies on them, even if the engage the decoy and start having an online sex-like conversation, they're still in the clear as long as they don't show up at the house.

(This was to Inimalist)

inimalist
I mean televising the arrest of pedophiles

its pretty sick how entertaining I find it

obviously the men are breaking the law, I have nothing against the prosecution of them, but it is totally a "freak show" phenomenon.

Robtard
Originally posted by chithappens
I'm not sure why people act like everything is always so black and white (meaning very simple; not race).

Because in this case it basically is, if the men didn't physically show up at the house, then they wouldn't be arrested. They can say whatever sexual thing they like to the decoy, if they jerk off all over their keyboard and leave it at that, they don't get busted.

inimalist
Originally posted by Robtard
Because in this case it basically is, if the men didn'y physically show up at the house, then they wouldn't be arrested. They can say whatever sexual thing they like to the decoy, if they jerk off all over their keyboard and leave it at that, they don't get busted.

many times on the show, men will not show up, and police are subsequently sent to their homes to arrest them for corrupting a minor or, if they sent pictures of themselves, distributing harmful pictures

Syren
I think the show is brilliant. These people (the pedophiles) should be humiliated, why is it be immoral to 'sting' them? Why is the way it's done considered immoral? I love it.

Robtard
Originally posted by inimalist
many times on the show, men will not show up, and police are subsequently sent to their homes to arrest them for corrupting a minor or, if they sent pictures of themselves, distributing harmful pictures

Sending adult orientated material to a minor is illegal. Again, it's their foul.

Edit: Are you sure about this though as it happening on the show? New to me.

Bardock42
Originally posted by Syren
I think the show is brilliant. These people (the pedophiles) should be humiliated, why is it be immoral to 'sting' them? Why is the way it's done considered immoral? I love it.

Of course you could ask the same thing about sex with minors.

inimalist
Originally posted by Syren
I think the show is brilliant. These people (the pedophiles) should be humiliated, why is it be immoral to 'sting' them? Why is the way it's done considered immoral? I love it.

why is it immoral to show someone at their lowest point on television for the ammusment of other people at their desperate situation?

I mean, there are eppisodes where the pedophiles get on their knees and beg for forgiveness.

I'm not asking for sympathy for these people, it is, however, important to remember the "people" part of that, and, you know, maybe not take delight in someones life being ruined forever, even if it is their own fault?

chillmeistergen
I've only seen the show a few times, but every time it seemed really odd to me that people want to watch it. All it seems to do is stoke the flames of paranoia, and give the illusion that these people are apparently absolutely everywhere.

inimalist
Originally posted by Robtard
Sending adult orientated material to a minor is illegal. Again, it's their foul.

Edit: Are you sure about this though as it happening on the show? New to me.

positive, all the eppisodes are on Youtube, and my friends and I spent a good amount of time enjoying it. When I'm home later, if I get a chance, I'll link one up.

yes, sending adult oriented material to a minor is a crime. One that should include public humiliation as part of the punishment, especially considering the person recieving the message wasn't actually a minor? (I know it doesn't matter legally, but it s weird, at least to me)

Quiero Mota
This reminds me of the episode of The Office earlier this year, where they had a booth at a high school career fair. Nobody was checking out their booth, and Michael (Steve Carell) said "It's really hard to lure kids these days. Thanks a lot Chris Hansen!".

Mindship
Originally posted by inimalist
its pretty sick how entertaining I find it
The best are the ones who have already seen past episodes of TCAP, and still they come...

"I don't know how you guys walk around with those things."
--Elaine Benes

WrathfulDwarf
The show really started very good. I remember watching it.

But lately...it cares more about getting higher ratings than actually capturing the criminals and doing something good.

Just another one of thoses cases that something good gets caught in it's own greed.

Mindship
Originally posted by chillmeistergen
All it seems to do is stoke the flames of paranoia, and give the illusion that these people are apparently absolutely everywhere. Have you put your address through this?

http://www.familywatchdog.us/

dadudemon
Originally posted by inimalist
why is it immoral to show someone at their lowest point on television for the ammusment of other people at their desperate situation?

I mean, there are eppisodes where the pedophiles get on their knees and beg for forgiveness.

I'm not asking for sympathy for these people, it is, however, important to remember the "people" part of that, and, you know, maybe not take delight in someones life being ruined forever, even if it is their own fault?

Well, it has a large demographic appeal. With "...15 out of every 100 Americans who have been either a molested child or a molester"*, there's going to be quite a few people delighting in the misfortune of people who take advantage of minors. For some, it is a form of indirect justice. In America, you've either been sexually abused or your know several people that have been sexually abused.

More to the point...has humanity REALLY become more civilized over the years? Some people laugh at how barbaric their ancestors were for their Colosseum's and public torturings and executions. However, that's a very ignorant and closed minded perspective. We have such a ready access to any form of media that we are, in my opinion, more barbaric then ever before. You can watch snuff films on the internet. You can watch executions, rapes, child porn, very violent movies, criminals being taken down (things like the thread's topic and cops) etc.etc.etc.



* http://www.childmolestationprevention.org/pages/tell_others_the_facts.html

dadudemon
Originally posted by Mindship
Have you put your address through this?

http://www.familywatchdog.us/

Do you realize that you could be come a sex offender for mooning someone?


I could be a sex offender many times over. I just wasn't caught mooning.

Naz
Originally posted by chithappens
The kid would not even have a sexual discussion online if their parents talked to them! Why is that so hard to get?


Lawls! That's the biggest load of bull I've ever heard. My mom has the "beware of sexual predators online" talk with me monthly but you still see me here, hell, I was using this forum when I was 13. No, parents don't stop kids from talking to people over the interwebs, sex-related conversation included.

Mindship
Originally posted by dadudemon
Do you realize that you could be come a sex offender for mooning someone?Doesn't surprise me. But I wonder what percentage that would involve.

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Mindship
Doesn't surprise me. But I wonder what percentage that would involve.

Not a huge one but since all manner of different things can get you registered as a sex offender simply knowing how many are around you is a poor way of telling how many of those people are child molesters.

Mindship
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Not a huge one but since all manner of different things can get you registered as a sex offender simply knowing how many are around you is a poor way of telling how many of those people are child molesters. Noted. And this certainly explains why so many red squares do pop up.

dadudemon
Originally posted by Naz
My mom has the "beware of sexual predators online" talk with me monthly but you still see me here, hell, I was using this forum when I was 13. No, parents don't stop kids from talking to people over the interwebs, sex-related conversation included.

laughing

I'm laughing because while reading your post, I was remembering those times that some posters here have been counting down the time to when you are legal enough to pee in your butt.

dadudemon
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Not a huge one but since all manner of different things can get you registered as a sex offender simply knowing how many are around you is a poor way of telling how many of those people are child molesters.

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That was my point.


I used mooning as an example but getting caught having sex in a public place is a way, falling for the "f*g traps" that police setup to get homosexual men to touch them is another. (Now THAT'S despicable. IMO, that's much worse than what people are complaining about in "To Catch Predator".) There's some really lame "registered sex offender" reasons, imo.


Being a father, I'd like to know about the child molesters, rapists, or any other type of sex offender that could hurt my wife and children. I don't believe I can find that out, though.

My wife looks that stuff up before we move. I don't. erm


Some parents want to know about any sex offenders, mooners and all. They don't even want their children to see a dude moon his buddies.

chithappens
So from what I gather so far, no one thinks parents have any influence on their children, right?

dadudemon
Originally posted by chithappens
So from what I gather so far, no one thinks parents have any influence on their children, right?

Nah, we do. big grin

I wasn't really commenting, at all, on your statement that Naz disagreed with. Her post just reminded me of the perverted talk she endures for being a cutie. happy

chithappens
I just don't understand the point of not saying the parents have a part in this.

No parent can watch their kids all the time. That's a "no shit" point, but how is it the parents have no part in how they approach different issues?

Kids shoot up a school. Parents play no part.

Kid has sex with teacher. No blame for parent.

Blame music, videogames, tv, internet, global warming and menstrual cycles. Happy Dance

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by chithappens
So from what I gather so far, no one thinks parents have any influence on their children, right?

They do. Child molesters still need to be dealt with too.

chillmeistergen
Originally posted by Mindship
Have you put your address through this?

http://www.familywatchdog.us/

Given the fact that I live in England, that would be a fairly redundant exercise.

dadudemon
Originally posted by chithappens
Blame music, videogames, tv, internet, global warming and menstrual cycles. Happy Dance


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let me join in...

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! Happy Dance

Robtard
Originally posted by chithappens
So from what I gather so far, no one thinks parents have any influence on their children, right?

Now you're taking a "black/white" stance. Yes parents have influence on their children, do the children always listen though? Rebelling is a natural part of puberty.

Did you not go against anything your parents talked to you about not doing/avoiding? Early sex, smoking, drinking, drugs? Nothing?

Edit: In regards to your 2nd "parents" post. Parents should and are held accountable for their kids actions. In regards to this thread, even in the case of a 14 year old asking a 35 year old to come to her/his hoouse for sex, it's ultimately the adult at fault if he/she goes for the purpose of having sex.

BackFire
Show's hilarious.

Best part is when the Chris Hanson comes out and talks to the guys. Listening to them lie and spin lies on the spot only to have them blow up in their face is awesome.

Personally, I have no moral issues with it. The people actually make plans and then show up to engage in illegal activity. They do it to themselves by showing up. Their lack of self control is no ones fault but theirs.

Zeal Ex Nihilo
Originally posted by BackFire
Show's hilarious.

Best part is when the Chris Hanson comes out and talks to the guys. Listening to them lie and spin lies on the spot only to have them blow up in their face is awesome.

Personally, I have no moral issues with it. The people actually make plans and then show up to engage in illegal activity. They do it to themselves by showing up. Their lack of self control is no ones fault but theirs.
Yeah, right. You're going to be on there someday.

chithappens
If your wife hires a model to flirt with you and then catches you in the act of cheating, what is that?

Robtard
Originally posted by chithappens
If your wife hires a model to flirt with you and then catches you in the act of cheating, what is that?

Faulty analogy, the decoys do not initally flirt with the men online. Your analogy needs to read as:

'If your wife hires a model to sit near you and then catches you in the act of cheating because you initiated it, what is that?'

Answer: It's cheating

Grand_Moff_Gav
Originally posted by chithappens
If your wife hires a model to flirt with you and then catches you in the act of cheating, what is that?

If the model forces herself on you its entrapment, otherwise its as Robtard said.

Adam_PoE
Originally posted by Robtard
Faulty analogy, the decoys do not initally flirt with the men online. Your analogy needs to read as:

'If your wife hires a model to sit near you and then catches you in the act of cheating because you initiated it, what is that?'

Answer: It's cheating

I am fairly certain that it is still cheating regardless of whom initiates it.

chithappens
And she has no blame in that?

Adam_PoE
Originally posted by chithappens
And she has no blame in that?

What responsibility does the model have to his wife?

chithappens
She is just paid to play the role of flirtatious vixen.

In contrast, it would be just like the people who pretend to be teenagers in chatrooms.

Adam_PoE
Originally posted by chithappens
She is just paid to play the role of flirtatious vixen.

In contrast, it would be just like the people who pretend to be teenagers in chatrooms.

That does not answer my question.

Zeal Ex Nihilo
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
What responsibility does the model have to his wife?
None?

Grand_Moff_Gav
See, there is a difference in the case of pedophiles and the cheating husband. In the latter example both are consenting adults.

Robtard
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
I am fairly certain that it is still cheating regardless of whom initiates it.

Ya, I thought it might come off that way. "Not cheating" wasn't an option I was implying though.

Grand_Moff_Gav
The only way a person who is pretending to be a teenager in a chatroom in order to catch pedophiles would be acting unethically is if they pursued adults whom they believed to be perverts and then forced them to commit illegal acts through duress.

However, if the pedophile does all the "pushing" (as i suspect he might) then he is guilty and has not been wrongfully captured.

chithappens
Originally posted by Robtard
Ya, I thought it might come off that way. "Not cheating" wasn't an option I was implying though.

I agree with that but that is a unfair thing for anyone to do.

Place them in the situation and then go, " I caught you!"

Robtard
Originally posted by chithappens
She is just paid to play the role of flirtatious vixen.

In contrast, it would be just like the people who pretend to be teenagers in chatrooms.

So if the husband cheats because the vixen flirts back it's not cheating?

A key point you're missing here, those decoys do not initiate the sex talk and no one forces the men to drive to a house where they believe a horny 14 year old is waiting for them. See?

In regards to a hypothetical scenario where a real 14 year old girl were to flirt with a grown and invite him for over for sex, you're willing to dismiss the adult who drove over and went through with it because the 14 flirted?

chithappens
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
The only way a person who is pretending to be a teenager in a chatroom in order to catch pedophiles would be acting unethically is if they pursued adults whom they believed to be perverts and then forced them to commit illegal acts through duress.

However, if the pedophile does all the "pushing" (as i suspect he might) then he is guilty and has not been wrongfully captured.

Well it is not like we get to read the chats they have. There is no way to know that.

Robtard
Originally posted by chithappens
I agree with that but that is a unfair thing for anyone to do.

Place them in the situation and then go, " I caught you!"

Again, you're not taking into account that the men initiate the sexual chatting and the men drive over, no one is forcing them. Two crucial facets.

Grand_Moff_Gav
Originally posted by chithappens
Well it is not like we get to read the chats they have. There is no way to know that.

I am quite sure the accused's lawers will have access to the chatlogs- which would have to be recorded as evidence. He would be able to get his client off with the entrapment clause. Thus the program makers would have to work above board, esp now they have law enforcement with them

Robtard
Originally posted by chithappens
Well it is not like we get to read the chats they have. There is no way to know that.

Chris Hansen usually goes over with what the men said online; without a fault, the men bring sex into the conversation first. The decoys ever post out lines like "14 year old with round ass wanting anal from a 30 year old stud tonight, parents away." and then wait for a biter.

If it happened that way, you might have a point. Though ultimately it would be the man's fault for going through it it as he still wasn't forced.

chithappens
Originally posted by Robtard
So if the husband cheats because the vixen flirts back it's not cheating?

A key point you're missing here, those decoys do not initiate the sex talk and no one forces the men to drive to a house where they believe a horny 14 year old is waiting for them. See?

In regards to a hypothetical scenario where a real 14 year old girl were to flirt with a grown and invite him for over for sex, you're willing to dismiss the adult who drove over and went through with it because the 14 flirted?

For some reason it seems you are assuming I think the adult takes no responsibility. Fault lies with the teenager and the adult.

I did not follow every rule my parents set by a long shot, but it is hard to imagine myself, at any point in life, allowing a grown man into the house that my parents did not know.

Even if they initiate the talks, it is not ethical to continue to bait and then say, "Gotcha *****!" I understand the argument of catching a potential predator, but I don't agree with it.

It's crude, in my opinion.

Grand_Moff_Gav
Originally posted by Robtard
Chris Hansen usually goes over with what the men said online; without a fault, the men bring sex into the conversation first. The decoys ever post out lines like "14 year old with round ass wanting anal from a 30 year old stud tonight, parents away." and then wait for a biter.

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Grand_Moff_Gav
Originally posted by chithappens
It's crude, in my opinion.

Yet...perfectly legal. big grin

chithappens
Originally posted by Robtard
Chris Hansen usually goes over with what the men said online; without a fault, the men bring sex into the conversation first. The decoys ever post out lines like "14 year old with round ass wanting anal from a 30 year old stud tonight, parents away." and then wait for a biter.

If it happened that way, you might have a point. Though ultimately it would be the man's fault for going through it it as he still wasn't forced.

All sexual innuendo is not so blunt and then you would have to "prove" how sexual it really was.

That's kinda rough ground to tread because then you are talking semantics. I doubt everyone is that blunt in their sexual conversation initially.

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by chithappens
All sexual innuendo is not so blunt and then you would have to "prove" how sexual it really was.

That's kinda rough ground to tread because then you are talking semantics. I doubt everyone is that blunt in their sexual conversation initially.

ASL now!

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Robtard
Originally posted by chithappens
For some reason it seems you are assuming I think the adult takes no responsibility. Fault lies with the teenager and the adult.

I did not follow every rule my parents set by a long shot, but it is hard to imagine myself, at any point in life, allowing a grown man into the house that my parents did not know.

Even if they initiate the talks, it is not ethical to continue to bait and then say, "Gotcha *****!" I understand the argument of catching a potential predator, but I don't agree with it.

It's crude, in my opinion.

How is it crude? The men are clearly searching to commit a crime. If it hadn't been a decoy but a horny/naive girl they would have gone through with having sex with a 14 year old.

Tell me, if you leave an empty wallet sitting on the dash of your car with the door unlocked a passerby opens the door and searches the wallet only to leave it because it was empty, is that person still not a thief?

chithappens
laughing out loud

chithappens
Originally posted by Robtard
How is it crude? The men are clearly searching to commit a crime. If it hadn't been a decoy but a horny/naive girl they would have gone through with having sex with a 14 year old.

Tell me, if you leave an empty wallet sitting on the dash of your car with the door unlocked a passerby opens the door and searches the wallet only to leave it because it was empty, is that person still not a thief?

Yes, but that's not the same thing. The door would have to be ajar for anyone to just notice something like that.

Robtard
Originally posted by chithappens
All sexual innuendo is not so blunt and then you would have to "prove" how sexual it really was.

That's kinda rough ground to tread because then you are talking semantics. I doubt everyone is that blunt in their sexual conversation initially.


I've seen many episodes, the majority of the men are that sexually blunt. You're also avoiding that the men busted on the show physically show up at the house, another key point.

The funny thing, if they had keep it to just sexual chatting and didn't show up (or send explicit material) but just masturbated while chatting, they wouldn't have been busted.

chillmeistergen
I agree that it's a good idea and all that, but to film it and put it on television? That just seems a bit odd to me.

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by chithappens
Yes, but that's not the same thing. The door would have to be ajar for anyone to just notice something like that.

Lots of people could notice that. The person who tries to rob you is still doing something wrong.

Robtard
Originally posted by chithappens
Yes, but that's not the same thing. The door would have to be ajar for anyone to just notice something like that.

The door being open wouldn't make it not a crime, would it?

Still though, the door wouldn't be open, a better analogy to the decoy having a description of "14/F/Ca" would be the door lock in the open position.

Grand_Moff_Gav
According to Jesus, even thinking about having sex with a 14 year old is a crime, whether you do it or not.

Robtard
Where did the Big J say this?

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
According to Jesus, even thinking about having sex with a 14 year old is a crime, whether you do it or not.

Where? So what?

Grand_Moff_Gav
Originally posted by Robtard
Where did the Big J say this?

Matthew 5:28

"But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart."

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Matthew 5:28

"But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart."

A 14 year old girl is not a woman.

Therefore Jesus must be pro-pedo hmm

Grand_Moff_Gav
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
A 14 year old girl is not a woman.

Therefore Jesus must be pro-pedo hmm

In Jesus' days a 14 girl was a woman wasn't she...they were usually married by them in Roman Circles anyway.

Da Joker
My thing is, you can think what you want. If it was truly a crime, why would God allow you to be able to think it?

Quiero Mota
Originally posted by Robtard
I've seen many episodes, the majority of the men are that sexually blunt. You're also avoiding that the men busted on the show physically show up at the house, another key point.

The funny thing, if they had keep it to just sexual chatting and didn't show up (or send explicit material) but just masturbated while chatting, they wouldn't have been busted.

I remember one episode where a female cop in her 30's posed as a teenage girl on the phone. She was the pushy one and even used the word "cock". He showed up wearing nothing but a towel, and had priceless look on his face, when he saw that the same voice was coming from a uniformed cop pointing a gun at him.

Naz
Originally posted by Da Joker
My thing is, you can think what you want. If it was truly a crime, why would God allow you to be able to think it?

Because people have free will and can think what ever they want?

Zeal Ex Nihilo
It's usually stuff like, "MMM BABY I WANT TO STICK MY COCK INTO THE GAPING MAW OF YOUR TOOTHY VAGINA."

Or something.
Originally posted by Da Joker
My thing is, you can think what you want. If it was truly a crime, why would God allow you to be able to think it?
Whirlysock = fail.

Quiero Mota
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
In Jesus' days a 14 girl was a woman wasn't she...they were usually married by them in Roman Circles anyway.

In our day, a 14-year-old girl will get you 25 years.

dadudemon
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
That does not answer my question.

"Interesting, that was quicker than the others."


-Architect




*Yes, I know you question is not a direct quote...but it's close enough.

Originally posted by chithappens
"Gotcha *****!"

LOL, Dave Chapelle.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
A 14 year old girl is not a woman.

Therefore Jesus must be pro-pedo hmm

laughcry


why am I laughing?

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
Whirlysock = fail.


Nope.






On topic-

I don't like the show. I don't watch it. I don't watch "TV". I watch only movies, tv from the internet, and other stuff...but never what you guys would call normal regular "TV".

inimalist
chit, I think I get what you were saying

Its like the car robbery stings where cops leave really nice cars with expensive electronics in the back seat in really rough neighborhoods and wait to arrest who ever breaks in.

However, given that a 14 year old is not allowed to give consent to have sex with an older man, it doesn't matter if she was begging for it. Consent and entrapment don't work in this case, simply because the man can be guilty for being lured in.

I don't think the show works like that, but a child molester isn't going to get away with it if their lawyer can prove the kid wanted it.

Unlike the car situation however, I don't feel it would cause an otherwise law abiding person to do something criminal. A poor person going through a rough time can be, maybe not excused, but understood and at least forgiven for theft, there is no instance where an adult can engage in sexual activity with a minor and it be understandable in that way.

BackFire
Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
Yeah, right. You're going to be on there someday.

Was.

3 times.

I raped Chris Hanson.

shiv
Watching the shenanigans of the mentally unfit on tv will fry your brain.

Syren
Originally posted by Syren
These people (the pedophiles) should be humiliated, why is it be immoral to 'sting' them?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Of course you could ask the same thing about sex with minors.

"Minors should be humiliated, why is immoral to have sex with them?"

No, I don't think that works.

Originally posted by inimalist
why is it immoral to show someone at their lowest point on television for the ammusment of other people at their desperate situation?

I mean, there are eppisodes where the pedophiles get on their knees and beg for forgiveness.

I'm not asking for sympathy for these people, it is, however, important to remember the "people" part of that, and, you know, maybe not take delight in someones life being ruined forever, even if it is their own fault?

I'm sorry if this offends you, but pedophiles **** children. I can't bring myself to remember that pedophiles are people because I'm too busy concentrating on the fact that children are children.

The pedophiles should get on their knees and beg for forgiveness. Do you really think they mean it? Most of them defend their actions and sugar coat their behaviour with the 'free love' angle, spewing about love being beautiful. It's disgusting and to be quite frank, I do enjoy seeing them squirm. I don't think shows like this are extreme enough, personally.

I apologise for taking delight in a pervert's life being ruined. But let's not forget that they've probably molested or raped a fair few children and quite possibly ruined their lives.

You have far too much sympathy for people in this 'desperate situation'. It's people like you who allow the filth to recreate their pathetic lives under a different name altogether. That's justice for you.

chithappens
Originally posted by inimalist
chit, I think I get what you were saying

Its like the car robbery stings where cops leave really nice cars with expensive electronics in the back seat in really rough neighborhoods and wait to arrest who ever breaks in.

However, given that a 14 year old is not allowed to give consent to have sex with an older man, it doesn't matter if she was begging for it. Consent and entrapment don't work in this case, simply because the man can be guilty for being lured in.

I don't think the show works like that, but a child molester isn't going to get away with it if their lawyer can prove the kid wanted it.

Unlike the car situation however, I don't feel it would cause an otherwise law abiding person to do something criminal. A poor person going through a rough time can be, maybe not excused, but understood and at least forgiven for theft, there is no instance where an adult can engage in sexual activity with a minor and it be understandable in that way.

Something like that. The car situation is different because not just anyone would check to see if a car was locked. You more than likely are in a tight spot. It is a sort of bait but that is not the same thing because you not being constantly nurtured into thoughts of security.

With the Dateline show, you are constantly dangling the carrot in front of the rabbit. And I know what they say about the show, the man always starts the sexual conversation, but I highly doubt it is like that every time. Again, sexual innuendo is not always as blunt a cock, ****, BJ, and so on. It even be metaphorical. The way the "professional" is talking, you might beat it at the PC screen. We don't know what was said. Regardless, no excuse for going over there.

Now the thing is the guys are looking for teenage girls to have sex with more than likely. Let's say for a moment this is not on the show but an actual situation: The girl has to allow him to talk to her like that, give him an address, and LET THE MAN IN THE HOUSE. It does not take a pint of common sense to see why that is questionable. So suddenly when the girl turns 18 she gains all sorts of wisdom that was before liked in this "post-18" box. I understand she can't legally consent, but there has to be some fault that goes to the lack of judgment. And that lack of judgment is then also shared with the parents.

It is not all the man or all the girl or all the parent. It is a shared fault. "He is supposed to know better" does not mean a damn thing. People are people. People do not mature like wine. Yeah a grown man should ignore a teenage girl, but turning 18 does not mean it is now somehow morally ok because her mind suddenly blossomed.

I'm not for a man taking advantage of teenage girls, but to say it is completely the fault of the man is ludicrous in a real situation.

inimalist
Originally posted by Syren
I'm sorry if this offends you, but pedophiles **** children. I can't bring myself to remember that pedophiles are people because I'm too busy concentrating on the fact that children are children.

The pedophiles should get on their knees and beg for forgiveness. Do you really think they mean it? Most of them defend their actions and sugar coat their behaviour with the 'free love' angle, spewing about love being beautiful. It's disgusting and to be quite frank, I do enjoy seeing them squirm. I don't think shows like this are extreme enough, personally.

I apologise for taking delight in a pervert's life being ruined. But let's not forget that they've probably molested or raped a fair few children and quite possibly ruined their lives.

You have far too much sympathy for people in this 'desperate situation'. It's people like you who allow the filth to recreate their pathetic lives under a different name altogether. That's justice for you.

I don't remember being sympathetic to predators.

However, I don't believe it is moral to televise the arrest of anyone. Public humiliation like that supersedes justice. There is nothing moral about distributing the worst moments of a persons life to millions of people no matter who they are.

Are you in favor of public executions as well? Should we put prisoners in a stock and pillory?

inimalist
Originally posted by chithappens
Something like that. The car situation is different because not just anyone would check to see if a car was locked. You more than likely are in a tight spot. It is a sort of bait but that is not the same thing because you not being constantly nurtured into thoughts of security.

With the Dateline show, you are constantly dangling the carrot in front of the rabbit. And I know what they say about the show, the man always starts the sexual conversation, but I highly doubt it is like that every time. Again, sexual innuendo is not always as blunt a cock, ****, BJ, and so on. It even be metaphorical. The way the "professional" is talking, you might beat it at the PC screen. We don't know what was said. Regardless, no excuse for going over there.

Now the thing is the guys are looking for teenage girls to have sex with more than likely. Let's say for a moment this is not on the show but an actual situation: The girl has to allow him to talk to her like that, give him an address, and LET THE MAN IN THE HOUSE. It does not take a pint of common sense to see why that is questionable. So suddenly when the girl turns 18 she gains all sorts of wisdom that was before liked in this "post-18" box. I understand she can't legally consent, but there has to be some fault that goes to the lack of judgment. And that lack of judgment is then also shared with the parents.

It is not all the man or all the girl or all the parent. It is a shared fault. "He is supposed to know better" does not mean a damn thing. People are people. People do not mature like wine. Yeah a grown man should ignore a teenage girl, but turning 18 does not mean it is now somehow morally ok because her mind suddenly blossomed.

I'm not for a man taking advantage of teenage girls, but to say it is completely the fault of the man is ludicrous in a real situation.

what it seems like you are arguing that because the girl shows interest in the mans attention, he is less criminally guilty of having sex with a minor, or of showing up to have sex with a minor.

Girls at that age probably would be very sexually receptive to older men. Because it is fairly reasonable to assume teens and pre-teens on the internet looking for sex are probably not mature enough to be making those decisions, ESPECIALLY with regards to older people, even if we assume they don't have predatory intentions.

The burden is on the man in this situation to know that it is inappropriate to engage in sexual acts with young girls.

Syren
Originally posted by inimalist
I don't remember being sympathetic to predators.

However, I don't believe it is moral to televise the arrest of anyone. Public humiliation like that supersedes justice. There is nothing moral about distributing the worst moments of a persons life to millions of people no matter who they are.

Are you in favor of public executions as well? Should we put prisoners in a stock and pillory?

You seem to be showing more sympathy than most, is all.

I just don't agree with you, I'm sorry. I won't try to make you agree with me but in the case of pedophiles, showing their worst moments on live television doesn't even come close to harsh enough in my eyes. I'm not suggesting every person who commits a crime should be humiliated in the same way, obviously. But in these cases, with these people, I enjoy seeing them being brought to their knees in public. They deserve no less.

See above, I clearly am not recommending such extremes for everyone.

chithappens
No, not even lessen the sentence for the man, but look at how people are reacting.

The kids have no blame and the parents have no blame AT ALL!

Not because of logic, but JUST BECAUSE THEY SAY SO.

chithappens
Originally posted by Syren
You seem to be showing more sympathy than most, is all.

I just don't agree with you, I'm sorry. I won't try to make you agree with me but in the case of pedophiles, showing their worst moments on live television doesn't even come close to harsh enough in my eyes. I'm not suggesting every person who commits a crime should be humiliated in the same way, obviously. But in these cases, with these people, I enjoy seeing them being brought to their knees in public. They deserve no less.

See above, I clearly am not recommending such extremes for everyone.

So what other criminals should beg for mercy on national TV?

Syren
Originally posted by chithappens
So what other criminals should beg for mercy on national TV?

Rapists, murderers, child molesters, pedophiles and cat burglars happy

chithappens
Why is it necessary to humiliate them? Make you feel better about yourself?

red g jacks
lol, same

i'm not sure if this show really qualifies as entrapment but it's undoubtedly in bad taste. then again that's why i watch it.

Syren
Originally posted by chithappens
Why is it necessary to humiliate them? Make you feel better about yourself?

laughing

You've got to be kidding. Are you honestly trying to get a rise out of me? And here I thought this was a mature discussion.

Ok, I'll make it plain.

I see nothing wrong with these stings being set up to catch pedophiles because in my personal opinion pedophiles are genuine scum. I can't bring myself to feel the slightest bit of sympathy for their 'plight' and the humiliation they experience isn't even close enough to the shame they should be feeling for their actions.

I enjoy seeing them squirm, they deserve it and more. I have not suggested once that other criminals should go through the same. This thread is about a particular television program and we are discussing the morality of it. I, personally, think it's brilliant.

Ok? Done here? I'm not going to drop into a ***** fight with anyone smile

chithappens
You didn't answer the question so I'll ask another way:

What does humiliation accomplish?


Edit:
They are being locked up more than likely and going to registered as a sex offender. I fail to see how seeing a criminal squirm is adding much. Those who squirm are just snakes anyway. The real psychos enjoy the attention; they couldn't want it more.

Syren
Originally posted by chithappens
You didn't answer the question so I'll ask another way:

What does humiliation accomplish?


Edit:
They are being locked up more than likely and going to registered as a sex offender. I fail to see how seeing a criminal squirm is adding much. Those who squirm are just snakes anyway. The real psychos enjoy the attention; they couldn't want it more.

Nothing. Why are you asking these questions? I've already told you that I enjoy seeing them humiliated. It's a personal thing, because I think they deserve it. I didn't say it was going to accomplish anything other than to provide me with some sort of sick satisfaction. I fully admit that my joy at their pain is possibly a little out of order, but I don't mind. At least I'm not the one fiddling with children smile

shiv
Psychologically this is very damaging.

Trauma inflicted on a dysfunctional mind leads to further dysfunction.

If a mentally healthy person is humiliated The Trauma can be a good thing spurring you to success. for example: Oprah, and The Woman currently President Of Chile whose childhood was disrupted by violence

Destructive Trauma on a weak mind can unhinge it completely
Making Them a Greater Danger to the community

lord xyz
I hate this show, it's aimed at hateful people who will only like something that is against the things they're against very strongly. I mean whoever came up with the idea of "I know what people like to see, paedophiles getting caught." it's just disturbing, the paedophiles and the crew/fans.

Grand_Moff_Gav
Originally posted by lord xyz
I hate this show, it's aimed at hateful people who will only like something that is against the things they're against very strongly. I mean whoever came up with the idea of "I know what people like to see, paedophiles getting caught." it's just disturbing, the paedophiles and the crew/fans.

A good point. How many people who watch the actually do it out of an interest in seeing justice dealt out? Is it not more likely people watch to satisfy their personal lusts for vigilantism...They can watch and say "that man is a pedophile...hes evil...Im better than him" and so on. A release of sorts...perhaps.

Deja~vu
Originally posted by shiv
Psychologically this is very damaging.

Trauma inflicted on a dysfunctional mind leads to further dysfunction.

If a mentally healthy person is humiliated The Trauma can be a good thing spurring you to success. for example: Oprah, and The Woman currently President Of Chile whose childhood was disrupted by violence

Destructive Trauma on a weak mind can unhinge it completely
Making Them a Greater Danger to the community I suppose it depends how strong ones mind is. I, myself, cannot understand people who were wronged going out and doing the same to others, but hey, there are social path thinkers. They are not happy with themselves and their thinking got warped. Yet others who had been through the same thing made quite a difference such as Oprah, who you had mentioned. I've seen it go both ways....

Robtard
Originally posted by chithappens
I'm not for a man taking advantage of teenage girls, but to say it is completely the fault of the man is ludicrous in a real situation.

If a grown man drives to a house where he know a 14 year old girl lives in order to have sex with her, how is it not completely his fault?

You're essentially arguing that the 14 year old being a little flirtatious **** online excuse the adult of doing wrong or some part of it.

Robtard
Originally posted by lord xyz
I hate this show, it's aimed at hateful people who will only like something that is against the things they're against very strongly. I mean whoever came up with the idea of "I know what people like to see, paedophiles getting caught." it's just disturbing, the paedophiles and the crew/fans.

Stupid assertion.

Blax_Hydralisk
Originally posted by Robtard
If a grown man drives to a house where he know a 14 year old girl lives in order to have sex with her, how is it not completely his fault?

You're essentially arguing that the 14 year old being a little flirtatious **** online excuse the adult of doing wrong or some part of it.

It should imo. smile

Robtard
Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
It should imo. smile

Why?

shiv
a friend of a friend was partying at a club, there was a girl invading his personal space all night.


They made out

He saw her a week later stepping off a school bus carrying a class of 15 year olds

He freaked out.

lord xyz
Originally posted by Robtard
Stupid assertion. What you think it's a legit show that's for the purpose of seeing justice, rather than exposing all the people the audience hates/must hate? It's a show based on hate. That's how I see it.

Originally posted by Robtard
If a grown man drives to a house where he know a 14 year old girl lives in order to have sex with her, how is it not completely his fault?

You're essentially arguing that the 14 year old being a little flirtatious **** online excuse the adult of doing wrong or some part of it. When I was 14 one of my classmates had sex with an 18 year old, and she openly admitted it...of course, they met in person.

BackFire
It's not meant to show justice, they don't spend a great deal of time showing the trials and consequences of the actions of the people they catch. They are more interested in getting into the head of the pedophile and seeing why he did what he did.

red g jacks
well very little psychological ground is ever broken because usually the pedos think they're talking to some little girl's dad and the other half of the time they've seen the show and know they're on tv.. so in either case they aren't going to be completely honest and share their feelings at the time or reasoning as to why they did it. they know that's not the right time to explain pedo rhetoric on why if she can bleed she can ****, that's only going to cause them more problems at this point, so they revert to "i'm sorry/i don't know what i'm doing here/i've learned my lesson/i was just going to talk to her."

to me i dont watch it for justice or for psychology... i watch it because it's pretty intense television as creepy as it is and i think they produce a quality show. well i don't watch it so much any more.. but when i did it was the shit.

BackFire
Some of them, particularly in the early shows, seemed to be pretty honest.

They've kinda hit a wall now that the show is quite popular, but before it was known, and before half of the pedo's knew they were on TV, they gave some interesting information.

red g jacks
well i can't say i've seen the whole series.. i mostly saw a marathon of it a while ago. it was interesting the excuses they'd come up with. but i can't say i saw one pedo that openly admitted to being a pedo. they all just happen to be in the 'wrong place wrong time' or 'made a stupid mistake.' i'm sure there are guys who just made one stupid mistake and acted on bad judgement.. but surely there has to be some actual predators out there? or maybe the real predators won't fall for these stings.

i might not have seen the older episodes.. the marathon i saw was only a couple months ago.

Robtard
Originally posted by shiv
a friend of a friend was partying at a club, there was a girl invading his personal space all night.


They made out

He saw her a week later stepping off a school bus carrying a class of 15 year olds

He freaked out.

Your point?

He was deceived (I assume), as a 14 year old can't legally be in a club, these men are not deceived, they go to the house under the impression that a 14 year old is waiting for sex.

Robtard
Originally posted by lord xyz
What you think it's a legit show that's for the purpose of seeing justice, rather than exposing all the people the audience hates/must hate? It's a show based on hate. That's how I see it.

When I was 14 one of my classmates had sex with an 18 year old, and she openly admitted it...of course, they met in person.

It is a legit show, as it's a show on television and the pedos are factually pedophiles or would-be pedophiles. Your initial assertion of "it's aimed at attracting hateful people etc. etc. etc." was what was stupid.

Okay? The 18 year old shouldn't have done that, at least from a legal standpoint.

dadudemon
Well, the guys that get caught are dumbasses. You'd think that they'd have enough reasoning to ask for a very specific picture to be taken before they started going anywhere...like a kissy face (with a sign) or a topless picture on a jet ski (OTF inside joke). If they don't produce the picture, it's either a sting, or it's another 30 year old man.

If they get caught, then they doubly deserve the humiliation.

Edit-I can see why they'd get caught. Only a dumbass would want to have sexual relations with an underage chica. And they get so excited that their reasoning goes out the window, but that assumes they had any to begin with.

lord xyz
Originally posted by Robtard
It is a legit show, as it's a show on television and the pedos are factually pedophiles or would-be pedophiles. Your initial assertion of "it's aimed at attracting hateful people etc. etc. etc." was what was stupid.

Okay? The 18 year old shouldn't have done that, at least from a legal standpoint. 100 years ago, from a legal stand point, you guys shouldn't have drunk alcohol.

But on the subject of the show, people's sick hatred towards paedos is the reason they watch it, to hate something so much you're happy to see people of that to be locked up and be traumatised themselves by being shown to be a sick ****, isn't right in my eyes. You should treat everyone with respect. It's like making a show about fat people who steal other people's food.

BackFire
You make it out that these pedophiles are somehow forced into the situation. Make no mistake, they put themselves there, they do it to themselves. It's completely and utterly, 100% their fault for knowingly attempting to take advantage of a child, breaking the law in the process.

And so because 100 years ago there were laws that we deem as silly today, that means the laws of today can be broken? What is your point?

dadudemon
Originally posted by BackFire
What is your point?

Uhhh, does there ever need to be a point for any form of rape, statutory or otherwise?

red g jacks
pretty sure rape always has a point

Grand_Moff_Gav
Does someone choose to be a pedophile or are they a pedophile from birth or perhaps due to upbringing?

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Does someone choose to be a pedophile or are they a pedophile from birth or perhaps due to upbringing?

I don't think anyone knows for sure but in most cases it's likely part of who they are from birth. However, some upbringings might make them more or less likely to molest children. At least some pedophiles seem to genuinely not want to be attracted to children but are anyway.

dadudemon
Originally posted by red g jacks
pretty sure rape always has a point

Uhh, I think you may be taking my post seriously.

red g jacks
^my bad
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Does someone choose to be a pedophile or are they a pedophile from birth or perhaps due to upbringing? i'm guessing it's just a matter of being desensitized to the point where only the most taboo shit turns you on. whether its from being exposed to sex at an early age/molested or surfing the net for the most ****ed up porn u can find to beat off too... i imagine it's not just something you jump right into.

as far as being a pedo from childhood... the only scenarios i could think of are

if you dont have a proper childhood and never really grow up so you identify more with children (mj syndrome)

or if you get molest as a kid and find the age difference appealing so when you get older you want to try it again with the roles reversed

BackFire
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Does someone choose to be a pedophile or are they a pedophile from birth or perhaps due to upbringing?

Whether or not they choose that they're attracted to children, who knows.

They choose to act on it, knowing full well that it's illegal, as it should be, so the responsibility is their's.

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by red g jacks
i imagine it's not just something you jump right into.

Why?

red g jacks
because most of us are raised to look at such behavior with disgust, so unless your childhood was completely ****ed there's probably a bit of wearing down before you decide it's ok to jack off to child porn.. and then eventually decide it's ok to recreate those scenes in real life..

dadudemon
Originally posted by red g jacks
because most of us are raised to look at such behavior with disgust, so unless your childhood was completely ****ed there's probably a bit of wearing down before you decide it's ok to jack off to child porn.. and then eventually decide it's ok to recreate those scenes in real life..

I don't know that a study has been done to connect child porn to child molesters. I've asked before but no one could find.

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by red g jacks
because most of us are raised to look at such behavior with disgust, so unless your childhood was completely ****ed there's probably a bit of wearing down before you decide it's ok to jack off to child porn.. and then eventually decide it's ok to recreate those scenes in real life..

Unless it's hardwired into you just like pretty much every paraphilia seems to be.

Zeal Ex Nihilo
It is illogical to assume that someone would choose to be a pedophile. Why anyone would elect to be something that is almost universally despised is beyond me.

red g jacks
i don't really buy pre-determined sexual fetishes. i'm not saying it's impossible but i woundn't assume it to be true just based on the determination of the person with the fetish. every other part of our personality seems to be shaped by outside influences, why would sexuality be any different then any other character trait?

dadudemon
Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
It is illogical to assume that someone would choose to be a pedophile. Why anyone would elect to be something that is almost universally despised is beyond me.


Uhhh, yeah...people do that all the time. Some people love negative attention. However, I don't think pedophiles would be that type. They love violating the innocents for some reason. I've heard looong and in depth reasons for the reasons, but most of it is lost to my memory. Who knows if those reasons are correct?

Zeal Ex Nihilo
Hyooge difference between being Ann Coulter and ****ing children.

Röland
Originally posted by dadudemon
Uhhh, yeah...people do that all the time. Some people love negative attention.
Are you seriously saying that people choose to be pedophiles on a regular basis and that a person would actually do this for attention?

dadudemon

Röland
Originally posted by dadudemon
You guys didn't get very far into my post, did you? You both should try reading beyond the first sentence in a post.

See below.
To be honest, those first two sentences caused me to not read further.

Zeal Ex Nihilo

dadudemon

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