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Fight on Earth.

No Odinforce for Thor.

No BFR.

Can Sentry have the Odin Force?

team 2 wrecks em imo.

Current Thor? Wonder if he has the power to put down henshaw. Superman beats Sentry quickly and lends a hand to eradicator fighting surfer.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Current Thor? Wonder if he has the power to put down henshaw. Superman beats Sentry quickly and lends a hand to eradicator fighting surfer. Surfer would go after Superman as he can exploit his weakness immediately and effectively.

Team 1. Thor's reduced to classic levels for the most part. And Henshaw can take any two people on team 2. Erads is equal to any of them if it's David. Superman can hold his own or win against any of them.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Team 1. Thor's reduced to classic levels for the most part. And Henshaw can take any two people on team 2. Erads is equal to any of them if it's David. Superman can hold his own or win against any of them.

pretty much...

dur on me. I meant Kem-El. Sentry is the only one that David would beat for a majority.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
dur on me. I meant Kem-El. Sentry is the only one that David would beat for a majority.

once you said henshaw, i just agreed...

Team 2 wins this due to early exploits for Surfer.

Superspeed, Insane strength, matter manip, technopathy, multiple rings, and T-vo?

Henshaw alone could recreate multiple versions of cloc to drive Sentry insane.

Team 1 ftw.

Originally posted by horrorwolf
Team 2 wins this due to early exploits for Surfer.

Henshaw alone could solo team 2.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Henshaw alone could solo team 2.

You're joking?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Henshaw alone could solo team 2. You really think Henshaw can solo Thor,Silver Surfer,and the Sentry at once?

Originally posted by Avlon
Superspeed, Insane strength, matter manip, technopathy, multiple rings, and T-vo?

Henshaw alone could recreate multiple versions of cloc to drive Sentry insane.

Team 1 ftw. no rings for Henshaw

Originally posted by Starscream M
no rings for Henshaw

That makes things a little more fair.

Team 1 still wins though.

Marvel team should have been SS, Thor, and Genis

Depends on the version of the eradicator.

Originally posted by Avlon
Superspeed, Insane strength, matter manip, technopathy, multiple rings, and T-vo?

Henshaw alone could recreate multiple versions of cloc to drive Sentry insane.

Team 1 ftw.


Your right i think people are giving to little credit to team one, the versitility that eradicator has is insane.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You really think Henshaw can solo Thor,Silver Surfer,and the Sentry at once?

With the rings? Certainly. Without them? Do-able, but tough. BFR might stop him without the rings.

Next to SBP, Henshaw was the most dangerous of AM's heralds. Why do you think the Sin Corp broke him out during their raid on Oa?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Henshaw alone could solo team 2. I know Henshaw seemingly can't be killed/obliterated completely... but what exactly has he done that puts him well above Silver Surfer's ability to beat... let alone above Silver Surfer himself? Because I've read a fair number of his appearances and his respect thread... and well... impressed by him overall I am... but to the same extent you are? Just. No.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
With the rings? Certainly. Without them? Do-able, but tough. BFR might stop him without the rings.

Next to SBP, Henshaw was the most dangerous of AM's heralds. Why do you think the Sin Corp broke him out during their raid on Oa? Wha did he do with the rings exactly that makes you feel this way?

I seem to recall Superman and a couple others thrashing Henshaw down at Prime's feet. There were three of them and Henshaw looked pretty easily beaten for the time being anyways.

Other than beating Superman which correct me if I am wrong here but hasnt Henshaw done that without the rings what has he done with them that makes you feel this way exactly?

What feats did I miss?

If you can't kill Henshaw, and you can't BFR him, and he doesn't run out of energy ever, how can you win? He wins by sheer attrition.

Quan: Avlon addressed that. Don't bother me about that one. What feats? The guy is a high end team-buster. Example: You know Eradicator? Big badass Superman+ guy? Henshaw has never lost to him. And Erads is easily equal to Surfer if not better in his Kem-El persona.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
impressed by him overall I am strong with you the force is..

http://i35.tinypic.com/11vp79j.jpg




Originally posted by TricksterPriest
If you can't kill Henshaw, and you can't BFR him, and he doesn't run out of energy ever, how can you win? by being more powerful?

Ok Galan. Is anyone on team 2 more powerful or capable of stopping him?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Ok Galan. Is anyone on team 2 more powerful or capable of stopping him? imo, current surfer is >. i'm sure some will disagree with that .

Consider me opposed.

team 1

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
If you can't kill Henshaw, and you can't BFR him, and he doesn't run out of energy ever, how can you win? He wins by sheer attrition.

Quan: Avlon addressed that. Don't bother me about that one. What feats? The guy is a high end team-buster. Example: You know Eradicator? Big badass Superman+ guy? Henshaw has never lost to him. And Erads is easily equal to Surfer if not better in his Kem-El persona. By destroying his body to the extent he can't reformulate himself before the 10 second knockout rule? Which has been done plenty of times. Silver Surfer easily has the power to replicate such knockouts. Don't confuse a vs. battle with a vs. battle to the death. Wolvie fanboys make the same presumptive mistake all the time, "Wolvie can't die! He can never lose!" He sure can get ktfo though, long enough for his opponent to be considered a winner.

And when was the last time Henshaw even confronted Eradicator?
Originally posted by Galan007
imo, current surfer is >. i'm sure some will disagree with that .

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
If you can't kill Henshaw, and you can't BFR him, and he doesn't run out of energy ever, how can you win? He wins by sheer attrition.

Quan: Avlon addressed that. Don't bother me about that one. What feats? The guy is a high end team-buster. Example: You know Eradicator? Big badass Superman+ guy? Henshaw has never lost to him. And Erads is easily equal to Surfer if not better in his Kem-El persona. You do realize this thread isnt to the death.

Henshaw can bust up teams but not a team of this magnitude. Name the most powerful team he defeated on his own and who it consisted of? Back up your case please.

Prove Eradicator is greater than the Surfer. You claimed it please back it up.

Henshaw is the most powerful being here team 1 wins this.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Henshaw is the most powerful being here team 1 wins this. Imo Surfer and Thor are both more powerful.

What does henshaw have that is greater than the godblast?

Originally posted by quanchi112


What does henshaw have that is greater than the godblast? team 1 doesn't have anything even close to the power of a godblast

Originally posted by Starscream M
team 1 doesn't have anything even close to the power of a godblast I know I was proving a point. You got it. Thor is more powerful than Henshaw by a mile imo.

Godblast shcmodblast. Thor not only has to hit him with it, he has to deal with possibly multible Henshaws, and the fact that Henshaw has tanked worse than the Godblast.

Originally posted by Starscream M
team 1 doesn't have anything even close to the power of a godblast

Now all you have to do is prove Thor can hit someone as fast as henshaw.

Nah Henshaw chews on all three in a one on one fight.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Henshaw is the most powerful being here team 1 wins this. Originally posted by quanchi112
Imo Surfer and Thor are both more powerful.

What does henshaw have that is greater than the godblast? Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Godblast shcmodblast. Thor not only has to hit him with it, he has to deal with possibly multible Henshaws, and the fact that Henshaw has tanked worse than the Godblast. I was simply proving that Thor is more powerful than Henshaw. I think I did it resoundingly imo.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Nah Henshaw chews on all three in a one on one fight. Henshaw with the rings couldnt even hope to accomplish this on a lucky afternoon imo.

Team 1 stomps.

Well, we know how Superman vs Thor ends.

I think there's a strong likelihood Henshaw could one-hit Sentry, leaving him and Erads to double team Norrin. Or he could syphon the Power Cosmic from Norrin, leaving him and Erads to double team Sentry.

Originally posted by jadervason
Well, we know how Superman vs Thor ends.

I think there's a strong likelihood Henshaw could one-hit Sentry, leaving him and Erads to double team Norrin. Or he could syphon the Power Cosmic from Norrin, leaving him and Erads to double team Sentry.

Siphon the power cosmic from SS...

Originally posted by jadervason
Well, we know how Superman vs Thor ends.

I think there's a strong likelihood Henshaw could one-hit Sentry, leaving him and Erads to double team Norrin. Or he could syphon the Power Cosmic from Norrin, leaving him and Erads to double team Sentry. Or maybe Surfer reprograms Eradicator and turns him loose on the other two? Or maybe Surfer simply blows Henshaw up to take Eradicator on for real, leaving Thor and Sentry to double-up Superman?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Or maybe Surfer reprograms Eradicator and turns him loose on the other two? Or maybe Surfer simply blows Henshaw up to take Eradicator on for real, leaving Thor and Sentry to double-up Superman?
Now how in the hell does surfer Blow up Henshaw? Even a gaurdian who tried to incinerate Henshaw couldn't do it.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Or maybe Surfer reprograms Eradicator and turns him loose on the other two?

...how?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Or maybe Surfer simply blows Henshaw up to take Eradicator on for real, leaving Thor and Sentry to double-up Superman?

Henshaw is arguably most durable guy out here, certainly most durable on his own team. Surfer would solo if he could do that.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Now how in the hell does surfer Blow up Henshaw? Even a gaurdian who tried to incinerate Henshaw couldn't do it. Surfer can generate enough energy to create a black hole. Blackholes are made by supernovas. But then again, he doesn't need to create that kind of energy. Just enough to blow up planets:

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/4017/cyborgsuperman01bf5.th.jpg http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/4751/cyborgsuperman02sg5.th.jpg http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/7452/cyborgsuperman03pm8.th.jpg http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/1826/cyborgsuperman04aw8.th.jpg

It is after all, clearly within Surfer's ability:

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/2416/silversurfer06dt4.th.jpg http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/5126/silversurfer07ba5.th.jpg http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/4043/silversurfer07amo5.th.jpg
Originally posted by jadervason
...how?

Henshaw is arguably most durable guy out here, certainly most durable on his own team. Surfer would solo if he could do that. How does Surfer reprogram Eradicator? Maybe like this:

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/4452/respectmajestic05dq2.th.jpg

It is something Silver Surfer has done before, after all:

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/7356/silversurfer09zx9.th.jpg http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5613/silversurfer08ez1.th.jpg

Surfer is definitely more durable then Henshaw. Trust me.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Surfer can generate enough energy to create a black hole. Blackholes are made by supernovas. But then again, he doesn't need to create that kind of energy. Just enough to blow up planets:

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/4017/cyborgsuperman01bf5.th.jpg http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/4751/cyborgsuperman02sg5.th.jpg http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/7452/cyborgsuperman03pm8.th.jpg http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/1826/cyborgsuperman04aw8.th.jpg

It is after all, clearly within Surfer's ability:

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/2416/silversurfer06dt4.th.jpg http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/5126/silversurfer07ba5.th.jpg http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/4043/silversurfer07amo5.th.jpg
How does Surfer reprogram Eradicator? Maybe like this:

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/4452/respectmajestic05dq2.th.jpg

It is something Silver Surfer has done before, after all:

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/7356/silversurfer09zx9.th.jpg http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5613/silversurfer08ez1.th.jpg

Surfer is definitely more durable then Henshaw. Trust me.
Um, A GL has enough power to create a black Hole. Guardian's are far Superior to Surfer. So what the hell was the point of showing us Surfer can create a black hole? A double black hole couldn't destroy superman, so what would surfer having enough energy do to henshaw who is far more durable than Superman? Not a damned thing. Stroking Surfer's silver sack isn't going to change the fact that he can NEVER beat Cyborg Superman. Oh and if oyu think Surfer is more durable than Henshaw, then how is it that henshaw stays nearly all the way in tact after a Galaxy destroying blast, and he didn't even WANT to live. Had he had his shields up, he wouldn't have been scratched.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Um, A GL has enough power to create a black Hole. Guardian's are far Superior to Surfer. So what the hell was the point of showing us Surfer can create a black hole? A double black hole couldn't destroy superman, so what would surfer having enough energy do to henshaw who is far more durable than Superman? Not a damned thing. Stroking Surfer's silver sack isn't going to change the fact that he can NEVER beat Cyborg Superman. Oh and if oyu think Surfer is more durable than Henshaw, then how is it that henshaw stays nearly all the way in tact after a Galaxy destroying blast, and he didn't even WANT to live. Had he had his shields up, he wouldn't have been scratched. Never seen a GL make a black hole. If you want to show me a scan, by all means, I'd like to see it. And Henshaw was destroyed by a planet-destroying blast in those scans. Did you ever read those issues of Green Lantern? Sure he survived in pieces, but he still got knocked out. That'd be a win per forum rules and Silver Surfer has that kind of power. You don't like the scans, it's not my fault. And Henshaw got blown to bits by the galaxy destroying blast in Sinestro Corps War, so I really don't know what you're talking about.

I'm posting scans proving what type of destruction is necessary to beat Cyborg Superman. And you're coming awfully close to flaming me, when I was simply answering your question. You don't have to change your opinion, but don't get your feathers all ruffled if you don't care for the proof that I show you.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Never seen a GL make a black hole. If you want to show me a scan, by all means, I'd like to see it. And Henshaw was destroyed by a planet-destroying blast in those scans. Did you ever read those issues of Green Lantern? Sure he survived in pieces, but he still got knocked out. That'd be a win per forum rules and Silver Surfer has that kind of power. You don't like the scans, it's not my fault. And Henshaw got blown to bits by the galaxy destroying blast in Sinestro Corps War, so I really don't know what you're talking about.

I'm posting scans proving what type of destruction is necessary to beat Cyborg Superman. And you're coming awfully close to flaming me, when I was simply answering your question. You don't have to change your opinion, but don't get your feathers all ruffled if you don't care for the proof that I show you.
First of all, Henshaw had NO shields on in SC as he wanted to die. And the blast Still didn't destroy his entire body. what part of that don't you get? A galaxy destroying blast would atomize pretty much anyone including Thanos. But henshaw was still partly in tact. Now if he wanted to live, dont' you think he would have had his shields up and survived? common sense would dictate that. Surfer doesn't have that kind of durability nor does he have the power to put a henshaw fighting back down. Oh and I haven't seen a GL make a black hole, but they have shielded themselves from super novas, and compacked stars down to atoms. The power is there to do the same.

Originally posted by fangirl101
First of all, Henshaw had NO shields on in SC as he wanted to die. And the blast Still didn't destroy his entire body. what part of that don't you get? A galaxy destroying blast would atomize pretty much anyone including Thanos. But henshaw was still partly in tact. Now if he wanted to live, dont' you think he would have had his shields up and survived? common sense would dictate that. Surfer doesn't have that kind of durability nor does he have the power to put a henshaw fighting back down. Oh and I haven't seen a GL make a black hole, but they have shielded themselves from super novas, and compacked stars down to atoms. The power is there to do the same. It doesn't matter whether he wanted to die or not. Just because a blast doesn't destroy a lil tidbit of Henshaw's body doesn't mean he can't be destroyed by something less. Wonderman and Vision were in the ship that held the Shiar Negabomb that detonated and destroyed 98% of the Kree throughout their own galaxy. They weren't even dead. Like I said, they survived because they were at the core of the explosion, a phenomenon that accords with real-life science.

Do you think Wonderman and Vision can't be destroyed by anything less than a galaxy destroying blast now? Obviously not. Superman has survived being sandwiched together between two exploding planets. Does that necessarily mean, he can't be knocked out by anything less? Of course not. Surfer wasn't even knocked out while fighting a Herald inside a black hole while diverting power to heal Alicia Masters, transmute armor for her and speed her away from the event horizon on his board. Does that mean Surfer can't be knocked out by less? No.

And it doesn't matter. The point is, a planet busting explosion also destroyed Henshaw's body sufficiently to the point where he was knocked out as I showed in the scans. I'm not going to argue Sinestro Corps War with you because it's semantics. Henshaw was destroyed by that galaxy-busting blast. He was also destroyed by a planet-busting blast in the scans I provided. The latter of which is clearly within Surfer's power. Nuff said.

EDIT: Oh and yeah, GL's don't have the power to make black holes. They may have shielded themselves from supernovas, but they have been killed by less. And pre-Crisis Hal attempted to compact a star down to atoms with Barry Allen's help and even then, Hal actually failed to complete the task. So no dice there. I know more about GL's then you think, both pre-Crisis and post-Crisis.

Probably team 1, Sentry is weak link.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
It doesn't matter whether he wanted to die or not. Just because a blast doesn't destroy a lil tidbit of Henshaw's body doesn't mean he can't be destroyed by something less. Wonderman and Vision were in the ship that held the Shiar Negabomb that detonated and destroyed 98% of the Kree throughout their own galaxy. They weren't even dead. Like I said, they survived because they were at the core of the explosion, a phenomenon that accords with real-life science.

Do you think Wonderman and Vision can't be destroyed by anything less than a galaxy destroying blast now? Obviously not. Superman has survived being sandwiched together between two exploding planets. Does that necessarily mean, he can't be knocked out by anything less? Of course not. Surfer wasn't even knocked out while fighting a Herald inside a black hole while diverting power to heal Alicia Masters, transmute armor for her and speed her away from the event horizon on his board. Does that mean Surfer can't be knocked out by less? No.

And it doesn't matter. The point is, a planet busting explosion also destroyed Henshaw's body sufficiently to the point where he was knocked out as I showed in the scans. I'm not going to argue Sinestro Corps War with you because it's semantics. Henshaw was destroyed by that galaxy-busting blast. He was also destroyed by a planet-busting blast in the scans I provided. The latter of which is clearly within Surfer's power. Nuff said.

EDIT: Oh and yeah, GL's don't have the power to make black holes. They may have shielded themselves from supernovas, but they have been killed by less. And pre-Crisis Hal attempted to compact a star down to atoms with Barry Allen's help and even then, Hal actually failed to complete the task. So no dice there. I know more about GL's then you think, both pre-Crisis and post-Crisis.

You seem to be under the impression that Henshaw was knocked out by a planet destoying blast while he had his Ten rings shields on. You also seem to be under the impression that surfer hasn't been made a fool of by a lightning strike and an armbar. Oh and one other thing, you are trying to use real world physics but did you forget that the BLAST WAS CONTAINED. In the real world, blast expand outward. This blast in SC folded back in on itself becuz of the shield that it was inside. Thus henshaw experience the full brunt of the blast. Something niether vision nor wonder man did. And yet henshaw remained partly in tact. No one else would even be dust particles with a blast like that.

Originally posted by fangirl101
You seem to be under the impression that Henshaw was knocked out by a planet destoying blast while he had his Ten rings shields on. You also seem to be under the impression that surfer hasn't been made a fool of by a lightning strike and an armbar. Oh and one other thing, you are trying to use real world physics but did you forget that the BLAST WAS CONTAINED. In the real world, blast expand outward. This blast in SC folded back in on itself becuz of the shield that it was inside. Thus henshaw experience the full brunt of the blast. Something niether vision nor wonder man did. And yet henshaw remained partly in tact. No one else would even be dust particles with a blast like that. I never insinuated as such. Thread starter said no rings for Henshaw. The sheer energy of the blast was not contained in one location completely, that power travelled through to the antimatter universe Which is obvious because the Green Lanterns talk about it and Henshaw's remains were actually shunted there along with the rest of the antimatter:

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/5879/greenlantern13hq8.th.jpg http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/1052/greenlantern14or0.th.jpg

But like I said, this argument is sheer semantics at this point. We both are agreeing that a galaxy busting blast would destroy Henshaw. What you can't avoid is, a planet busting blast would also destroy Henshaw. And that is well within Surfer's ability to throw at him. Current post-Annihilation Surfer stood in the middle of one and nonchalantly told his foe to GTFO. Just comparing those side-by-side examples tells me that Surfer is more durable. I don't even have to talk about black holes, etc.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I never insinuated as such. Thread starter said no rings for Henshaw. The sheer energy of the blast was not contained in one location completely, that power travelled through to the antimatter universe Which is obvious because the Green Lanterns talk about it and Henshaw's remains were actually shunted there along with the rest of the antimatter:

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/5879/greenlantern13hq8.th.jpg http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/1052/greenlantern14or0.th.jpg

But like I said, this argument is sheer semantics at this point. We both are agreeing that a galaxy busting blast would destroy Henshaw. What you can't avoid is, a planet busting blast would also destroy Henshaw. And that is well within Surfer's ability to throw at him. Current post-Annihilation Surfer stood in the middle of one and nonchalantly told his foe to GTFO. Just comparing those side-by-side examples tells me that Surfer is more durable. I don't even have to talk about black holes, etc.

Seeing as how Henshaw has Superman's durability, a planet busting shot isn't destroying henshaw. Or dont' you remember 3 kryptonians giving all they could against Henshaw and it still wasn't enough. And he wasn't even fighting back for real. Superman can bust planets. Oh and I didn't see in the OP no rings for henshaw. I saw in the OP no odin force for Thor.

Originally posted by jadervason
Well, we know how Superman vs Thor ends.

I think there's a strong likelihood Henshaw could one-hit Sentry, leaving him and Erads to double team Norrin. Or he could syphon the Power Cosmic from Norrin, leaving him and Erads to double team Sentry. Based on what? Back up your claim. Who has Henshaw oneshotted who is on Sentry's level.Originally posted by Endrict Nuul
Probably team 1, Sentry is weak link. Superman to me is by far the weak link here. Surfer imo rapes him and quickly.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Seeing as how Henshaw has Superman's durability, a planet busting shot isn't destroying henshaw. Or dont' you remember 3 kryptonians giving all they could against Henshaw and it still wasn't enough. And he wasn't even fighting back for real. Superman can bust planets. Oh and I didn't see in the OP no rings for henshaw. I saw in the OP no odin force for Thor. Well... you can assume that Henshaw would not be destroyed by a planet busting shot, but then you'd have to ignore this:

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/4017/cyborgsuperman01bf5.th.jpg http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/4751/cyborgsuperman02sg5.th.jpg http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/7452/cyborgsuperman03pm8.th.jpg http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/1826/cyborgsuperman04aw8.th.jpg

So what do you want from me? I didn't write the comic. But continuing to ignore the above scans doesn't help your case any and doesn't convince me of your arguments at all.
Originally posted by Starscream M
no rings for Henshaw There was discussion on the first page about it. It's alright that you missed it.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Well... you can assume that Henshaw would not be destroyed by a planet busting shot, but then you'd have to ignore this:

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/4017/cyborgsuperman01bf5.th.jpg http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/4751/cyborgsuperman02sg5.th.jpg http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/7452/cyborgsuperman03pm8.th.jpg http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/1826/cyborgsuperman04aw8.th.jpg

So what do you want from me? I didn't write the comic. But continuing to ignore the above scans doesn't help your case any and doesn't convince me of your arguments at all.
There was discussion on the first page about it. It's alright that you missed it.

Was this before henshaw's upgrade? You do know that he upgrades right? didn't he evolve himself into what we saw in the corps war.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Was this before henshaw's upgrade? You do know that he upgrades right? didn't he evolve himself into what we saw in the corps war. Sc is irrelevant. He had the rings there so the whole story is stricken from this conversation imo.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Sc is irrelevant. He had the rings there so the whole story is stricken from this conversation imo.
Not really. I dont remember him using the rings when fighting Superman and co, or when the galaxy explosion happened. And since his body was more in tact than in the scans, it's obvious that he has upgraded himself.

^ Henshaw was using his rings during Sinestro Corps War. He beat the crap out of Superman in their first round of combat. Of course, Superman does better after getting his second wind. Henshaw was also more intact in the former battle than in the latter battle. Makes sense since the former blast was not as powerful as the latter blast and the latter blast shunted him into the anti-matter universe. But if ignoring that and making your presumption helps you reconcile the two, that's fine for your opinion. But presumptions don't speak as loudly as on-panel evidence.

I answered your question and you didn't really care for my answer. That's fine. But I'm not going to prove a negative and prove that Henshaw never upgraded himself. Fact is, there's no evidence there to suggest Henshaw upgraded himself. It's up to you to prove he did. Either way, while I won't take the burden of proving a negative, I will pose this question to you: "If Henshaw wanted to die, why would he upgrade himself to make it harder to kill him?" Think about it.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I will pose this question to you: "If Henshaw wanted to die, why would he upgrade himself to make it harder to kill him?" Think about it.

checkfuqingmate

Originally posted by fangirl101
Not really. I dont remember him using the rings when fighting Superman and co, or when the galaxy explosion happened. And since his body was more in tact than in the scans, it's obvious that he has upgraded himself. He used the rings to beat down Superman. You could see his fists emitting energy and forming constructs due to the rings.

The manhunters revived him imo. In a forum fight you dont have to completely kill your opponent.

Originally posted by Starscream M
checkfuqingmate Cofuqinsigned.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Henshaw was using his rings during Sinestro Corps War. He beat the crap out of Superman in their first round of combat. Of course, Superman does better after getting his second wind. Henshaw was also more intact in the former battle than in the latter battle. Makes sense since the former blast was not as powerful as the latter blast and the latter blast shunted him into the anti-matter universe. But if ignoring that and making your presumption helps you reconcile the two, that's fine for your opinion. But presumptions don't speak as loudly as on-panel evidence.

I answered your question and you didn't really care for my answer. That's fine. But I'm not going to prove a negative and prove that Henshaw never upgraded himself. Fact is, there's no evidence there to suggest Henshaw upgraded himself. It's up to you to prove he did. Either way, while I won't take the burden of proving a negative, I will pose this question to you: "If Henshaw wanted to die, why would he upgrade himself to make it harder to kill him?" Think about it.

Of course henshaw would upgrade himself. He had a task to do for the Antimonitor. And once the AM was victorious, He would grant henshaw death. So it would behoove henshaw to make sure that he was at tip shop shape so that the AM would grant his request. Game set and match. Think about it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Cofuqinsigned.
You both look like fools where I'm concerned. Or didn't you know that in order to get his wish granted by the Am, part of the deal was to make sure that the AM succeeded. Of course he upgraded himself.

Outrageous BS. The planet busting was from a Highmaster robot. Which amps GL power 100x times. It was 2 GLs powering it. Surfer is nowhere near that strong.

Erads was UPGRADED from what Majestic did. And Surfer isn't as smart as Majestros.

Last example is an outright lie. Superman Prime was the one who BFRed AM. The GL is refering to AM's anti-matter wave being stopped, not the blast going to the anti-matter universe.

Henshaw was not shunted to the Anti-matter verse, read the stupid comic.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Of course henshaw would upgrade himself. He had a task to do for the Antimonitor. And once the AM was victorious, He would grant henshaw death. yep.

Henshaw has easily oneshotted Superman and Eradicator on so many occasions...This doesn't mean he would easily oneshot Sentry but it can't be ignored.

Henshaw's whole upper body was in-tact after that galaxy buster. It was SMP who really dealt the final blow, because Henshaw was stuck to the AM when SMP beasted him.

As Jordan states, the metal melted off of his organics. Since when are his metal portions weaker than his Superman portions? Superman's own words state that they're "invulnerable" but his biological side can still be harmed. Henshaw was clearly not at top form on Biot. He got ambushed.

All things aside, the Surfer can be low-shown, too. The greatest technopath in DC comics was about to absorb some of the SOURCE itself, I think he could manage the power cosmic.

Originally posted by fangirl101
You both look like fools where I'm concerned. Or didn't you know that in order to get his wish granted by the Am, part of the deal was to make sure that the AM succeeded. Of course he upgraded himself. So he upgrades himself so it would be more difficult for the Am to kill him? I dont subscribe to that at all.

Originally posted by jadervason
Henshaw has easily oneshotted Superman and Eradicator on so many occasions...This doesn't mean he would easily oneshot Sentry but it can't be ignored.

Henshaw's whole upper body was in-tact after that galaxy buster. It was SMP who really dealt the final blow, because Henshaw was stuck to the AM when SMP beasted him.

As Jordan states, the metal melted off of his organics. Since when are his metal portions weaker than his Superman portions? Superman's own words state that they're "invulnerable" but his biological side can still be harmed. Henshaw was clearly not at top form on Biot. He got ambushed.

All things aside, the Surfer can be low-shown, too. The greatest technopath in DC comics was about to absorb some of the SOURCE itself, I think he could manage the power cosmic. He didnt oneshot Supes even with the rings. So how could he oneshot sentry without them?

Originally posted by jadervason

Henshaw's whole upper body was in-tact after that galaxy buster. It was SMP who really dealt the final blow, because Henshaw was stuck to the AM when SMP beasted him.

When did it show SMP doing any damage to Henshaw, I don't remember that?

SMP punched through AM chest if I recall correctly, how would that have damaged Henshaw?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Outrageous BS. The planet busting was from a Highmaster robot. Which amps GL power 100x times. It was 2 GLs powering it. Surfer is nowhere near that strong.

Erads was UPGRADED from what Majestic did. And Surfer isn't as smart as Majestros.

Last example is an outright lie. Superman Prime was the one who BFRed AM. The GL is refering to AM's anti-matter wave being stopped, not the blast going to the anti-matter universe.

Henshaw was not shunted to the Anti-matter verse, read the stupid comic. Yeah, and by amping the GL's power 100X, they blew up the planet. If you read the comic, Henshaw talks about how his highmaster robots have enough power to destroy planets. Hal repeats that very same thought, and then they go ahead and blow up a planet and Henshaw is destroyed. Surfer has the power to destroy a planet. Hell, by making a black hole with his own energy discharge, he's easily displayed the ability to destroy stars. Not my fault you don't like the fact that Henshaw was destroyed by a planet-busting blast. Least I didn't mention that the planet wasn't even totally destroyed. Oops, too late:

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/7452/cyborgsuperman03pm8.th.jpg http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/1826/cyborgsuperman04aw8.th.jpg

Majestros is way up there, no doubt. But he had no special knowledge of Eradicator's computer systems. And Silver Surfer has reprogrammed alien technology himself. The tactic stands.

Trust me. Henshaw, along with all the other anti-matter got shunted into the anti-matter universe. I have the comic in my hands and posted scans, I think you need to reread the comic:

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/5879/greenlantern13hq8.th.jpg http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/1052/greenlantern14or0.th.jpg

If you sincerely believe that the GL's completely dissipated the blast and kept everything within their shield dome, then Henshaw's remains should have been littered on the ground... right? Well... answer this simple question, "How exactly did Henshaw's remains end drifting around in outer space?" Chew on it for a lil while, the answer will come to you.

You know, before reading more of your discussions, I thought you only had a problem with the Spectre and tried to demean him at any occasion you get. Only now I realize that you actually just flat-out mis-interpret information in order to make it seem as your opinion on a certain events/characters is correct, and thus make characters you don't like look weaker than they actually are.

I'll handle the Sinestro Corps War point first. The galaxy-destroying blast was contained within the perimeter the Green Lanterns set. It's obvious that what that Green Lantern was talking about in the scan you posted was the stopping of the anti-matter wall, which Anti-Monitor used to start feeding on the positive-matter.

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/th_GL010.jpg

How did Henshaw get away from Earth, and how his remains weren't on Earth after the battle was done ? It was actually shown, that whenSuperboy Prime bfr-ed Anti-Monitor, Henshaw's remains were right besides Anti-Monitor's.

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/th_GL031.jpg

I hope you can admit when you are wrong, and are not the type to grasp at straws and such.

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Now, unto the 'exploding planet' point. It was made pretty clear that the entire planet was rebuilt using the Green Lanterns and power rings and that they were siphoning power from OA. As you can see in the scan, that power was collected in a power battery sort to speak, from which the lanterns Hal fought as Parallax were tied to. (The Manhunters even asked Henshaw if they should take Hal aswell so that he too will provide acces to the Central Power Battery too)

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/th_GLHenshaw1.jpghttp://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/th_GLHenshaw2.jpghttp://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/th_GLHenshaw3.jpghttp://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/th_GLHenshaw4.jpg

Now, what you missed in the scan is that controlling the Highmaster, Hal and Arisia shot the the collecting power-battery that I mentioned earlier and not the planet, battery which flat-out exploded with Henshaw a few feet away from it and considering how much power that battery had, it is much more impressive than an exploding planet, which occured after this event.

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/th_GLHenshaw5.jpghttp://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/th_GLHenshaw6.jpg

Again, I hope you can admit when you are wrong

Originally posted by quanchi112
He didnt oneshot Supes even with the rings. So how could he oneshot sentry without them?

Considering that the Sentry is many, many times weaker than Superman, you're making a false comparison.

Originally posted by Soljer
Considering that the Sentry is many, many times weaker than Superman, you're making a false comparison. Proof?

The panel where Prime says "you're weak" There is a skeletal figure. You're using egregious leaps of logic and outright ignoring text and on-panel proof.

And even sub-standard battery is still more power than anyone here can muster. 100x a herald's level of power? Or the combined power siphoned from over 20 high end GLs over god knows how long?

Your bias is reaching Quanchi levels.

Lulz at the reply.

I'm done here. I knew that sort of reply would be coming, which is why I hoped he'd have the dignity to at least admit he is wrong.

Anyway, whatever, I've proved my points

Originally posted by fangirl101
Um, A GL has enough power to create a black Hole. Guardian's are far Superior to Surfer. Not a damned thing. Stroking Surfer's silver sack isn't going to change the fact that he can NEVER beat Cyborg Superman. Oh and if oyu think Surfer is more durable than Henshaw, then how is it that henshaw stays nearly all the way in tact after a Galaxy destroying blast, and he didn't even WANT to live. Had he had his shields up, he wouldn't have been scratched.
What issue did a GL create a black hole? 1 gl i can think off but he differs than the rest..

Galaxy destroying blast is Henshaws highest durability feat.. We've got to go with normal showing otherwise there just no way both Thor and Surfer can be taken out, they have some real insane durability/physical reconstitution ability from say they're molecules being scattered across space and survive to shrugging of a blast from an abstract being..

Say bout TP attack, has anyone ever tried this on Henshaw?

I'd say Erad would be one who's the more dangerous of the 3, maybe the tie breaker or not lol..

Anyway bump...

Surfer is really the wildcard on Team 2. Sentry and Thor may as well not be out here, what are they really going to do against Superman, Superman+, and Cyborg Superman+

This fight can be renamed "Some combination of Superman, Eradicator, and/or Henshaw vs Surfer"

Thor can definitely hold his own against Supes.

So it becomes what? Erads vs Thor, Henshaw vs Surfer, and Supes vs Sentry?

Really this battle can believably go either way, but if Sentry and Thor go down we have a good idea how that happened (they got their chins checked) likewise, Surfer could conceivably red sun/K-nite beam Superman at the least...

We can go down the list of feats for all of these characters but if we only use their primary ones, I don't know how Surfer and Henshaw are going to beat each other. They'd be hard pressed to hurt each other in the first place.

Neither one is all that fond of brawling though I would say Henshaw wins if in a bizarre turn of events they start duking it out. Defensively, remember even Parallax couldn't just walk over Henshaw and that's saying a lot considering who exactly destroyed Coast City. Darkseid couldn't put him away in one hit with his Omegas and the guy was ruining Apokolips. Guardians can't even drop Henshaw.

I know Surfer has some great feats too, and it's hard to compare.

Overall I'd say Team 1 takes 7/10

Originally posted by Endrict Nuul
Probably team 1, Sentry is weak link.

Ummm....but SS is a major wild card and he could get the win for team 2.

Originally posted by Ambient
What issue did a GL create a black hole? 1 gl i can think off but he differs than the rest..

Galaxy destroying blast is Henshaws highest durability feat.. We've got to go with normal showing otherwise there just no way both Thor and Surfer can be taken out, they have some real insane durability/physical reconstitution ability from say they're molecules being scattered across space and survive to shrugging of a blast from an abstract being..

Say bout TP attack, has anyone ever tried this on Henshaw?

I'd say Erad would be one who's the more dangerous of the 3, maybe the tie breaker or not lol..

Anyway bump...

Erads has some insane TP abilities that usually go ignored. He's actually more powerful than Maxima, Brainiac, and Darkseid with that particular ability.

That's before even getting into Torquasm Vo, in which Erads is vastly more powerful than Superman using it.

Fighting on Earth makes things worse since Henshaw could conceivably take advantage of every piece of tech on the planet making it a huge numbers advantage on Team 1.

Originally posted by Mindset
Thor can definitely hold his own against Supes.

If Superman weren't a blur of red and blue he sure could.

Originally posted by Avlon
Erads has some insane TP abilities that usually go ignored. He's actually more powerful than Maxima, Brainiac, and Darkseid with that particular ability.

That's before even getting into Torquasm Vo, in which Erads is vastly more powerful than Superman using it.

Fighting on Earth makes things worse since Henshaw could conceivably take advantage of every piece of tech on the planet making it a huge numbers advantage on Team 1.
Nah i wouldn't go that far with Erads TP..

TVO is effy, lets just forget bout that ... lol

Nothing would be much left on teh battle field, no conceivable advantage on Henshaw in that regards..

Sentry??? Dont know how far in level his compared to the rest.. weak link maybe..

Originally posted by fangirl101
If Superman weren't a blur of red and blue he sure could.


yawn

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Yeah... and that skeletal figure is pretty much what Anti-Monitor's corpse looks like right before he gets captured by the Black Lantern. Whereas, Henshaw's remains are a mere half a skull and a spinal cord. Ok... so who is ignoring text and on-panel proof here? Just read the comic and look at these scans for goodness sake:

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/th_GL031.jpg http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/1544/supermanprime07rj8.th.jpg

The only power that was siphoned from the GL's was the power from their rings. You really think that a dozen GL rings have the capacity to rival a Central Power Battery or the Sinestro Corps Battery? Please. I'm not biased at all. I just read the comics. Henshaw and Hal talk about how the highmasters have the capacity to destroy a planet. Hal and Arisia comandeer one and destroy a planet (a third of one anyway as we see from this scan), and Henshaw is destroyed. How am I biased when I'm simply reading the comic for what it is:

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/2214/supermansucks01fd7.th.jpg
No, you really haven't. You didn't even respond to the one question I posited or the one request that I had of you... which was to answer where the antimatter had gone and to point out where Henshaw's remains in that scan were. You completely dodged that question and request. But I don't really care to convince you personally. You had your mind made up a long time ago. You can sit there content all you want, as far as I'm concerned, I've provided ample proof that Henshaw was destroyed by a planet-busting blast and was BFR'ed into the antimatter universe during Sinestro Corps War.

So the Anti-Monitor keeps his Henshaw-sized skeleton in his forearm? That explains everything.

^ Does Henshaw's body look anything like that corpse that is subliminated in Anti-Monitor's form? And before you start to dodge that question by asserting that neither does Anti-Monitor's, why don't you go ahead and describe the difference between Anti-Monitor's gigantic Sinestro Corps War form and the diminished form he has when he lands on the Black Lantern's planet? Do that for me.

Firstly, yes. It even has a bifurcated skull like Henshaw's. Secondly, I don't see any kind of size reference as far as the Anti-monitor's skeleton goes.

^ I don't see a bifurcated skull at all. But your second point about the lack of size reference is certainly reasonable. But the bottom-line is, Anti-Monitor's form was nowhere similar to the armored form he wore in Sinestro Corps War. He was reduced to a skeletal form. And I believe that the skeletal form you see in this scan here, is Anti-Monitor's:

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/th_GL031.jpg

Why do I think that? Two reasons: 1) it'd be beyond mere coincidence that Superman Prime accidentally BFR'ed Henshaw along with Anti-Monitor; and 2) if they were BFR'ed together, wouldn't they end up in the same place?

It's obvious they don't. But then again, only time will tell whether or not Henshaw was BFR'ed into the antimatter universe. Yes, the Manhunters operate mainly in the antimatter universe and their appearance in reviving Henshaw is indicative that they are in the antimatter universe, but it's just as arguable that there are some operating in the positive matter universe as well. Had I absolute and unequivocal proof he was, I would have posted it. As I'm sure you would have done the same. We'll have to wait and see who's right. Either way, this is a purely peripheral issue about Henshaw's remains surviving the full brunt of a galaxy-destroying blast or being shunted into the antimatter universe. And it's a completely moot issue, considering Hal and Arisia defeated him with a planet-busting blast.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
No, you really haven't. You didn't even respond to the one question I posited or the one request that I had of you... which was to answer where the antimatter had gone and to point out where Henshaw's remains in that scan were. You completely dodged that question and request. But I don't really care to convince you personally. You had your mind made up a long time ago. You can sit there content all you want, as far as I'm concerned, I've provided ample proof that Henshaw was destroyed by a planet-busting blast and was BFR'ed into the antimatter universe during Sinestro Corps War.


Before I'd actually bother to answer any of your questions, you'd have to prove pretty much any of your points, which up until now you haven't been able to. What is even more sad, is that you are actually grasping at straws, which I pretty much foretold that you would do. It's goddamn obvious that Henshaw wasn't transported through some sort of miraculous 'portal' to the Anti-Matter Universe as you assume, and it's also obvious that the skeletal figure next to Anti-Monitor's body is actually Henshaw. I find opposing this notion so absurd, so illogical, that I just simply realize it's useless to have this conversation with you.

Originally posted by Ambient
Nah i wouldn't go that far with Erads TP..

It's been shown on panel.
Erads TP>Maxima, Darkseid, Maxwell Lord, and Braniac.

On top of that, he's been shown to mind rape with a touch as well.

It's all in his respect thread.


Originally posted by Ambient
TVO is effy, lets just forget bout that ... lol

Let's not.

He used it to nearly mindwipe Supes using just a tiny portion of his power.

Originally posted by Ambient
Nothing would be much left on the battle field, no conceivable advantage on Henshaw in that regards..

The battlefield is earth..so unless they are wasting the planet itself...
Not like it matters, it doesn't have to be working tech for Henshaw to instantly make a body or utilize some sort of tech while simultaneously fighting.

Originally posted by Ambient
Sentry??? Dont know how far in level his compared to the rest.. weak link maybe..

Probably, if he isn't mindraped or matter manipulated by Erads or Henshaw doesn't drive him insane with multiple clocs.

So... the skeleton cyborg figure that looked like half a Henshaw was actually half of the very flesh looking Anti-Monitor, and then... he healed the rest of his body completely?

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
So... the skeleton cyborg figure that looked like half a Henshaw was actually half of the very flesh looking Anti-Monitor, and then... he healed the rest of his body completely?



Apparently. Nevermind that we see Anti-monitors arm in the panel before and then a close up of the same arm with henshaws body on it.

Originally posted by Avlon
Apparently. Nevermind that we see Anti-monitors arm in the panel before and then a close up of the same arm with henshaws body on it. Well... thanks for clearing that up.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Well... thanks for clearing that up.



http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/9342/gl312gz2.jpg

This would be an opportune place for a henshaw dur.

Team two thanks to current SS.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Team two thanks to current SS.
What the hell makes current SS any more powerful than the old version or anyone on team one?

Originally posted by fangirl101
What the hell makes current SS any more powerful than the old version or anyone on team one?

Well aside the obvious reason he was "upgraded" multiple times, him being able to shield multiple ships from galactus while in a different location by simply blinking is quite a great feat.

It's good. But Eradicator has better when he's not jobbing. And let's not get into Henshaw.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
It's good. But Eradicator has better when he's not jobbing. And let's not get into Henshaw.

Actually i wanted to emphasize current SSs superiority to classic SS in that area. Classic SS has never shown the ability to create shields on that level that is the ability to shield multiple large objects in an entirely different location without moving. I was trying to emphasize self improvement.

Oh, I agree. Surfer is better. But he hasn't demonstrated the higher level needed to say that he's that much over anyone on team 1. All of whom have also improved over time.

Originally posted by Avlon
http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/9342/gl312gz2.jpg

I know... I saw that out when the comic came out, and like the ignoramus I was, I thought that was Cyborg.

Live and learn... live and learn.

We all fell for it. I guess we're just fanboys. srug

Wut r u talkin` bout ? dat's obviously AM's body dur

You guys are some azhowls.

I didn't realize Erad's telepathy was so strong...team 2 is ****ed

Originally posted by Avlon
Erads has some insane TP abilities that usually go ignored. He's actually more powerful than Maxima, Brainiac, and Darkseid with that particular ability.

That's before even getting into Torquasm Vo, in which Erads is vastly more powerful than Superman using it.

Fighting on Earth makes things worse since Henshaw could conceivably take advantage of every piece of tech on the planet making it a huge numbers advantage on Team 1.
Sorry man but those TP feat you mention are just blown out of proportions.. I've never seen him owned Darkseid or Brainiac through TP and the Maxima feat was nothing more than a mental persuasion same thing she used against Capt. Atom..

Originally posted by Ambient
Sorry man but those TP feat you mention are just blown out of proportions.. I've never seen him owned Darkseid or Brainiac through TP and the Maxima feat was nothing more than a mental persuasion same thing she used against Capt. Atom..

His respect thread shows it all. He's done better against Supes than all of the above including Despero.

Then there is this. Mind rape in a touch.

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/9755/mindcontrol3lu.th.jpg

Originally posted by Avlon
His respect thread shows it all. He's done better against Supes than all of the above including Despero.

Then there is this. Mind rape in a touch.

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/9755/mindcontrol3lu.th.jpg
Yup i did browse his respect thread and i dont see anything even remotely close to what you where suggesting.. Only thing i see dough is his got a relative resistance against it..

I can think of a few reason why his done better in terms of mind manipulation towards Supes than the rest; 1.) Is that he is quite familiar with Kryptonian biology, 2.) Supes at that time has had a very limited to non interaction against tp intrusion, 3.) He knows him far greater than himself..

I've seen mindrape without a touch from a char. i consider far lower in class..

Originally posted by Ambient
Yup i did browse his respect thread and i dont see anything even remotely close to what you where suggesting.. Only thing i see dough is his got a relative resistance against it..

In comparison, nobody else has even come close. He even overrode Maxima's TP on panel with ease.

Originally posted by Ambient
I can think of a few reason why his done better in terms of mind manipulation towards Supes than the rest; 1.) Is that he is quite familiar with Kryptonian biology, 2.) Supes at that time has had a very limited to non interaction against tp intrusion, 3.) He knows him far greater than himself..

The Cleric, Matrix, scientists, and Maxima aren't kryptonian and he had no problem using TP or overriding them. In addition to that, all of those characters tried it in the same time frame on Supes, and Erads was still by far the most succesful. Even to this day.

Originally posted by Ambient
I've seen mindrape without a touch from a char. i consider far lower in class..

The fact that he can minrape with such a simple touch gesture in addition to his standard TP abilities is impressive. Once you add how powerful his T-vo abilities are to that (as Kem-EL) on top of that, things are even better.

Originally posted by Avlon
In comparison, nobody else has even come close. He even overrode Maxima's TP on panel with ease.]
but in no way made him above DS, Maxima, Brainiac like you suggested..

Like i said high resistance or his brain activity function at far higher speed than Maxima's tp intrusion (can't exactly remember the feat).. Anyhow Superman, Capt. Atom, Hal overrode Maxima's tp with ease through will alone, not exactly a very high feat. deserving higher level than the above mentioned char. tp wise..
Originally posted by Avlon
The Cleric, Matrix, scientists, and Maxima aren't kryptonian and he had no problem using TP or overriding them. In addition to that, all of those characters tried it in the same time frame on Supes, and Erads was still by far the most succesful. Even to today standard..
Outside Maxima the rest i dont consider top tier t-pier.. The Maxima feat he did no more than defend against tp intrusion not necessary make him above maxima tp... The rest is covered by above post..

His tp is useless against this fight, the chars. his up against have far better showing in terms of offensive/defensive tp manipulation compared to his.. Cept Sentry??? Just my 2 cent..
Originally posted by Avlon
Once you add how powerful his T-vo abilities are to that (as Kem-EL) on top of that, things are even better.
There is so much uncertainty about Torquasm Vo; strength, limitation, etc..etc... For all we know its just a meditation that allow kryptonian to inter into the astral plane, anyone with the expertness to go back and forth in such plane could leave or continue during combat and i hear both needs to accept in order to proceed to fight in that state.. Like i said T-vo is too vaque and besides we havent really seen what Erad's can do with that technique other than against a kryptonian and a pre-tvo Supes.. Is all

Team 1 wins
Supes takes out Thor eventually
Henshaw hold shis own agaisnt SS until supes lends him a hand
and the sentry beats erad..but then gets pwnd by the 2 supermen !!

Originally posted by Ambient
but in no way made him above DS, Maxima, Brainiac like you suggested..

Like i said high resistance or his brain activity function at far higher speed than Maxima's tp intrusion (can't exactly remember the feat).. Anyhow Superman, Capt. Atom, Hal overrode Maxima's tp with ease through will alone, not exactly a very high feat. deserving higher level than the above mentioned char. tp wise..

In comparison to those, it sure does make him more powerful with that particular ability. It's on panel. Erads had a much easier and much more effective run with it than anyone else.


Originally posted by Ambient
Outside Maxima the rest i dont consider top tier t-pier.. The Maxima feat he did no more than defend against tp intrusion not necessary make him above maxima tp... The rest is covered by above post..

He went inside her "illusion" and overrode it with ease. That's pretty impressive considering he was halfway around the world. He mindraped a bunch of humans to think they were kryptonian and carry out kryptonian duties. Absorbed the Clerics, Kem-EL's, Superman's, and David/Sarah Connors memories and mindraped Matrix.

Originally posted by Ambient
His tp is useless against this fight, the chars. his up against have far better showing in terms of offensive/defensive tp manipulation compared to his.. Cept Sentry??? Just my 2 cent..

Better than Superman? This you would have to prove. Leonidas made a good case for Maxima vs Thor alone with TP in one of the tournies.

Has anyone on team 2 been able to mindrape a Superman class character?

Originally posted by Ambient
There is so much uncertainty about Torquasm Vo; strength, limitation, etc..etc... For all we know its just a meditation that allow kryptonian to inter into the astral plane, anyone with the expertness to go back and forth in such plane could leave or continue during combat and i hear both needs to accept in order to proceed to fight in that state.. Like i said T-vo is too vaque and besides we havent really seen what Erad's can do with that technique other than against a kryptonian and a pre-tvo Supes.. Is all

It's not vague at all. Supes sucked in non-kryptonians and even non living things into it. He's made illusions/upped his magical & physical defense/tapped into his opponents powerset/and has made independent constructs. It's no less vague than "power cosmic."

Team 2 in a stomp.

Originally posted by Avlon
(1) In comparison to those, it sure does make him more powerful with that particular ability. It's on panel. Erads had a much easier and much more effective run with it than anyone else.


(2) He went inside her "illusion" and overrode it with ease. That's pretty impressive considering he was halfway around the world. He mindraped a bunch of humans to think they were kryptonian and carry out kryptonian duties. Absorbed the Clerics, Kem-EL's, Superman's, and David/Sarah Connors memories and mindraped Matrix.

(3) Better than Superman? This you would have to prove. Leonidas made a good case for Maxima vs Thor alone with TP in one of the tournies.

(4) It's not vague at all. Supes sucked in non-kryptonians and even non living things into it. He's made illusions/upped his magical & physical defense/tapped into his opponents powerset/and has made independent constructs. It's no less vague thn "power cosmic."
(1) Agreed against Supes but that alone does not make him above DS/Maxima/Brainiac, I mean really? One who mind wipe a race of Daxamite..

Do you really think that current Supes would fall down against Erads tp wise?? He'd get T-vo'd to oblivion.. Like i said Supes in the past we're prone to tp intrusion like losing his powers through mental suggestion and the likes doubt it'd work against him now..

(2) No, Maxima brought her inside the illusion and like i said there are a few who broke similar feat from Maxima with ease..

All very impressive but it make's him nowhere on the level of DS/Despero/Brainiac whom are top tier tp wise... This guys have mindwipe an entire civilization with slight to higher resistant towards mental attack it just don't compare..

(3) Sentry??? But Surfer and Thor they've got quite a few TP offensive/resistance feat... lets just say they're are not going down against Erads mental attacks...

(4) Its vaque man ..

When did he sucked in someone into the astral plane? Are you referring to the Dominus feat..

PC manipulates energy which makes up matter. There are defined strength and limitation like say magic..

T-VO? Astral plain maybe, how does it exactly copy his opponents ability and someone at a multiversal level? What are limitation?? There is just not enough defined explanation to what it is.. Vague..

Thats it for now bro..

Bump

Team 2 in a walk...

Bob for the win

Undecided.

Cyborg Superman(when he is not getting bullied by Superman) is the biggest threat IMO.

Anyways I might side with Team 2 if Thor is not in jobber mode.

Team 2 have a rather large versatility advantage...

Team Sentry stomps.

If it's Void, team 2. If not, team 2, but it's much more difficult.