7 of DC's best vs. 7 of Marvel's best
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fangirl101
Superman
Insane LightRay
Orion with MBandAF
Hal Jordan
Firestorm(Classic)
Martian Manhunter
Black Adam
vs.
Gladiator
Sentry
Classic Thor
Classic Quasar
Silver Surfer
Black Bolt
Beta ray Bill
No BFR. Fight is confined by an indestructible stadium with the roof sealed.
Juk3n
if they dont take out surfer fast, he will likely de-power a few of the DC'ers at the 'go'.
Gut says Marvel
Hal and BA last ones standing for DC.
Bouboumaster
Marvel. Too many energy/reality/matter manipulor in the team.
Nestical
Marvel has this in the bag
Endrict Nuul
Originally posted by horrorwolf
Team 2
fangirl101
Hmm. As i see it, Martain Manhunter can take out Sentry and Gladiator with TP very fast. Firestorm can counter any attacks on Superman. And let's not forget that Lightray can and fight at 8 times light speed. He is by far the fastest guy on the field. With Class 100 strength and durability plus rediculous light and energy manip powers.
Juk3n
Originally posted by fangirl101
Hmm. As i see it, Martain Manhunter can take out Sentry and Gladiator with TP very fast. Firestorm can counter any attacks on Superman. And let's not forget that Lightray can and fight at 8 times light speed. He is by far the fastest guy on the field. With Class 100 strength and durability plus rediculous light and energy manip powers.
when you say MM takes down sentry AND glads very fast, do you mean in a 0.03 of a second? because thats how long it would take Sentry and Glads both to fly over to MM at the 'GO' and start hitting.
Max flight speed for Sentry and Glads?
fangirl101
Originally posted by Juk3n
when you say MM takes down sentry AND glads very fast, do you mean in a 0.03 of a second? because thats how long it would take Sentry and Glads both to fly over to MM at the 'GO' and start hitting.
Max flight speed for Sentry and Glads?
As if either would be able to hit MM when he's mucking with thier minds, invisible, and intangible. And he's got superspeed of his own plus tp. Hitting him should be impossible. MM really can take them both out with mind rape easily. Pushes Sentry to insanity and calms gladiator's confidence down to that of a 3rd grade school girl.
occultdestroyer
Originally posted by fangirl101
As if either would be able to hit MM when he's mucking with thier minds, invisible, and intangible. And he's got superspeed of his own plus tp. Hitting him should be impossible. MM really can take them both out with mind rape easily. Pushes Sentry to insanity and calms gladiator's confidence down to that of a 3rd grade school girl.
I agree.
Although I'm an avid DC fan, I still give Team 2 the win.
Classic Quasar and current SS w/ the upgrades is too much for any of the DC opponents, except maybe for the insane Lightray
fangirl101
Originally posted by occultdestroyer
I agree.
Although I'm an avid DC fan, I still give Team 2 the win.
Classic Quasar and current SS w/ the upgrades is too much for any of the DC opponents, except maybe for the insane Lightray
I can see Hal Jordan giving Quasar fits. Silver Surfer is a problem. But he's not so powerful that he could steam roll anyone on team two. And given how fast MM takes out Glads or Sentry, then I'd say this fight is really close.
george '06
pushing sentry to insanity doesnt generally end well does it?
isnt that one of the things where if he loses control he get sper powerful /crazy?
Scoobless
Originally posted by george '06
pushing sentry to insanity doesnt generally end well does it?
isnt that one of the things where if he loses control he get sper powerful /crazy?
Yup, plus he's trapped in a box he can't run away from ... it's like getting in a cage with a tiger and setting it's tail on fire.
redhotrash
Blackbolt could unleash a full on scream at the start, leaving his team to pick off the weakend DC guys as well. Surfer might even be able to amp him when he does it.
Harbinger
Black Bolt and Surfer make me think Team 2 wins this.
Priest
Originally posted by fangirl101
Hmm. As i see it, Martain Manhunter can take out Sentry and Gladiator with TP very fast.
Lulz
http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ts07015jn6.jpg
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redhotrash
Sentry is still a punk and the majority of the DC team could take him in H2H
WrathfulDwarf
Orion with MBandAF is pretty powerful and with Superman is a fair fight.
I can see BA going agaisn't Thor. Egyptian gods magic vs. Asgard powers.
Question regarding Hal...is his GL powers tainted with the impurity of yellow or can he use Lethal force. GL with lethal force can craft some nifty killing weapons.
Bouboumaster
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Orion with MBandAF is pretty powerful and with Superman is a fair fight.
I can see BA going agaisn't Thor. Egyptian gods magic vs. Asgard powers.
Question regarding Hal...is his GL powers tainted with the impurity of yellow or can he use Lethal force. GL with lethal force can craft some nifty killing weapons.
Supeman is punked by Black Bolt in 10 seconds, or Surfer in 0.001 second, thanks to cosmic awarness. Or by Thor.
Superman in the team is one reason why DC loose. Replace him with ... let say Classic Captain Marvel, and you have already a better line-up.
lordmohahat
this fight would be crap to watch!
lordmohahat
i mean it would be over in a less than a second and everything would happen so quickly you would miss all of it.
Placidity
I'm sure Reed Richards could capture it all on slow-motion on a blu-ray or something.
fredstawill
dc cause lightray can infinitivly (sorry cant arsed 4 spellin) increase supes powers but SS would rape all
Bouboumaster
With Sups on the team, Marvel just can't loose.
guy222
Quasar
http://www.picstation.net/files3/df4avyma99t66rm8scjj_thumb.jpg
Marvel FTW
Zack Fair
LoL@Blackolt taking out Supes.
Without anyone aiding BB he dies horribly. Only chance he gets is if Supes just stands there taking the scream, but here are the news: he will not.
As for MM's telepathy...I really don't get how magic translates to telepathy. I mean...I can see where Priest is trying to get, but one does not equal the other. It is like claiming that Supes is vulnerable to a sword just because he got cut by Diana's magical sword.
I ain't really interested in the fight. It is a "choose your favorite team/characters and then harass each other " kind of thead.
cloud102
Originally posted by fangirl101
Superman
Insane LightRay
Orion with MBandAF
Hal Jordan
Firestorm(Classic)
Martian Manhunter
Black Adam
vs.
Gladiator
Sentry
Classic Thor
Classic Quasar
Silver Surfer
Black Bolt
Beta ray Bill
No BFR. Fight is confined by an indestructible stadium with the roof sealed.
Going by the best matchups:
Superman Vs Gladiator= Superman
Sentry vs Martian Manhunter= Sentry
Orion Vs Classic Thor= Orion (though it's really a toss up)
Hal Jordan Vs Quasar = Hal
Firestorm Vs Silver Surfer= Surfer
Black Adam Vs Beta Ray Bill (toss up, but I see Adam taking a small majority)
Lightray Vs Black Bolt= Black Bolt, though Ray will DEFINITELY give him problems.
So that leaves:
Superman Vs Sentry= Sentry
Orion Vs Silver Surfer= Orion
Hal Jordan Vs Black Bolt= Hal
And Adam to clean house on Sentry.
I see DC taking a small majority, but it's close either way. Do NOT underestimate Orion. He can take the best one on one. And has feats that put him at Thor's or Black Bolt's level in terms of pure destructive force. And the versatility in his MOTHER BOX.
Genesis Box, anyone?
Zack Fair
Sentry dies fighting Supes
tkitna
Please,,,Sentry might solo the DC team
cloud102
Sentry goes off crying just like he always does.
Priest
Originally posted by guy222
Quasar
http://www.picstation.net/files3/df4avyma99t66rm8scjj_thumb.jpg
Marvel FTW
Is Elvis back or something?
ultimatethor
The DC team wud have to find a way of taking out surfer quickly to win this fight. If not he wud do alot of damage and give the Marvel team the win
vansonbee
Originally posted by Enyalus
Team Marvel. fixed*
Added MARVEL 10/10
kakuzu
Marvel. How is Sentry one of Marvels best? He needs to be replaced by Strange.
Enyalus
Originally posted by vansonbee
fixed*
Added MARVEL 10/10
Insane Lightray and Orion w/ equipment are more powerful than anyone on the Marvel team save for Silver Surfer. Classic Firestorm would give Surfer a decent fight. Hal Jordan > Quasar. MM would be difficult for a lot of the Marvel team to handle. That, and Lightray's abilities means Superman would seriously put a hurt on anyone on Marvel's team besides Surfer.
batosaimsx
DC in a stomp
Marvel has chumps like gladiator
surfer is the only true threat and jal could keep him busy long enough for the dcers to take out marvel
dc in a rapestomp
kakuzu
Originally posted by batosaimsx
DC in a stomp
Marvel has chumps like gladiator
surfer is the only true threat and jal could keep him busy long enough for the dcers to take out marvel
dc in a rapestomp
You must really love dc and hate Marvel.
tkitna
Originally posted by kakuzu
Marvel. How is Sentry one of Marvels best? He needs to be replaced by Strange.
Because he's more powerful than most or all of them. Ask Strange about the last time he messed with Sentry.
Alucard25
Originally posted by tkitna
Because he's more powerful than most or all of them. Ask Strange about the last time he messed with Sentry.
Most of team 2 probably all of them definitely not.And Current Strange is a joke compared to his old self.
darthgoober
Supes vs...
Gladiator= Supes
Sentry= Supes
Thor= Supes
Quasar= Quasar
Surfer= Surfer
Blackbolt= Supes
Beta ray Bill= Supes
Insane LightRay vs...
Gladiator= Gladiator
Sentry= Sentry
Thor= Thor
Quasar= Quasar
Silver Surfer= Surfer
Black Bolt= Lightray
Beta ray Bill= BRB
Orion w/MB and AF vs...
Gladiator= Orion
Sentry= Orion
Thor= Thor
Quasar= Orion
Silver Surfer= Surfer
Black Bolt= Black Bolt
Beta ray Bill= Orion
Hal Jordan vs...
Gladiator= Hal
Sentry= Hal
Thor= Thor
Quasar= Hal
Silver Surfer= Surfer
Black Bolt= Hal
Beta ray Bill= Hal
Firestorm vs...
Gladiator= Firestorm
Sentry= Firestorm
Thor= Thor
Quasar= Quasar
Silver Surfer= Surfer
Black Bolt= Blackbolt
Beta ray Bill= Firestorm
Martian Manhunter vs...
Gladiator= Manhunter
Sentry= Sentry
Thor= Thor
Quasar= Quasar
Silver Surfer= Surfer
Black Bolt= Manhunter
Beta Ray Bill= BRB
Black Adam vs...
Gladiator= Gladiator
Sentry= Black Adam
Thor= Thor
Quasar= Black Adam
Silver Surfer= Surfer
Black Bolt= Blackbolt
Beta ray Bill= Black Adam
Totals
23/49 wins Team DC
26/49 wins Team Marvel
Enyalus
Insane Lightray is the uber Lightray, Goober. You've got him losing an awful lot though.
darthgoober
Originally posted by Enyalus
Insane Lightray is the uber Lightray, Goober. You've got him losing an awful lot though.
I know. As bad ass as he was in comparison with his normal self, he's got some bad match up's in the Marvel team because it's comprised of some of Marvel's top energy manipulators and powerhouses and they have WAY more feats to their credit. But now that I think about it, I might give him the win over Sentry if he's got the absorption feats to warrant it. But that would still leave Marvel up by one.
cloud102
Oh, this is insane Lightray? Overlooked that. He'd take a good number of the MU team. FTL and insane NRG projection would be a lot to stop.
fangirl101
Originally posted by Enyalus
Insane Lightray is the uber Lightray, Goober. You've got him losing an awful lot though.
I agree. He moves at 8 times light speed. Can create suns, control hard light, manipulate late so well that he can monitor entire worlds and has uber durability and is strong enough to slam takion thru a moon. He's going to get a few more wins then he's given credit for.
darthgoober
Originally posted by fangirl101
I agree. He moves at 8 times light speed. Can create suns, control hard light, manipulate late so well that he can monitor entire worlds and has uber durability and is strong enough to slam takion thru a moon. He's going to get a few more wins then he's given credit for.
I didn't say he couldn't get wins, I just posted who I think would take the majority in each matchup.
Who in particular do you disagree with me about?
fangirl101
Originally posted by darthgoober
I didn't say he couldn't get wins, I just posted who I think would take the majority in each matchup.
Who in particular do you disagree with me about?
Sentry And Gladiator. He's faster than either in a str8 up fight. And his energy manip is better than either. His strength is right up there with thiers and so is his durability.
vlaaad12345
Insane lightray amping superman....scary.
Slaanesh
surfer can just reverse it....
fangirl101
Originally posted by Slaanesh
surfer can just reverse it....
While being battered by the magical hands of black adam?
psycho gundam
Originally posted by fangirl101
While being battered by the magical hands of black adam? while getting his shit caved in by stormbreaker...
vansonbee
Originally posted by fangirl101
While being battered by the magical hands of black adam? While Black Adam gets anal by Glad? Make up your mind with your senarios, cause marvel can too lolz
The Great Galen
Originally posted by fangirl101
Superman
Insane LightRay
Orion with MBandAF
Hal Jordan
Firestorm(Classic)
Martian Manhunter
Black Adam
vs.
Gladiator
Sentry
Classic Thor
Classic Quasar
Silver Surfer
Black Bolt
Beta ray Bill
No BFR. Fight is confined by an indestructible stadium with the roof sealed.
Alright I see BB being the weak link here, followed by Quasar and Thor. SS will be defeated by BA while Glads,Sentry and Bill eventually be defeated by Supes,Orion,MH and and Jordan. Team 1 has to many power players.
Acrosurge
Originally posted by darthgoober
Supes vs...
Gladiator= Supes
Sentry= Supes
Thor= Supes
Quasar= Quasar
Surfer= Surfer
Blackbolt= Supes
Beta ray Bill= Supes
Insane LightRay vs...
Gladiator= Gladiator
Sentry= Sentry
Thor= Thor
Quasar= Quasar
Silver Surfer= Surfer
Black Bolt= Lightray
Beta ray Bill= BRB
Orion w/MB and AF vs...
Gladiator= Orion
Sentry= Orion
Thor= Thor
Quasar= Orion
Silver Surfer= Surfer
Black Bolt= Black Bolt
Beta ray Bill= Orion
Hal Jordan vs...
Gladiator= Hal
Sentry= Hal
Thor= Thor
Quasar= Hal
Silver Surfer= Surfer
Black Bolt= Hal
Beta ray Bill= Hal
Firestorm vs...
Gladiator= Firestorm
Sentry= Firestorm
Thor= Thor
Quasar= Quasar
Silver Surfer= Surfer
Black Bolt= Blackbolt
Beta ray Bill= Firestorm
Martian Manhunter vs...
Gladiator= Manhunter
Sentry= Sentry
Thor= Thor
Quasar= Quasar
Silver Surfer= Surfer
Black Bolt= Manhunter
Beta Ray Bill= BRB
Black Adam vs...
Gladiator= Gladiator
Sentry= Black Adam
Thor= Thor
Quasar= Black Adam
Silver Surfer= Surfer
Black Bolt= Blackbolt
Beta ray Bill= Black Adam
Totals
23/49 wins Team DC
26/49 wins Team Marvel You know, this looks about right to me. I might give Gladiator a couple more wins, assuming that he's bringing his A-Game, and I'm having difficulty seeing BB taking BA over BrB, but all in all, it looks good. Marvel takes it, IMO.
iceman24567
Quasar is back which is bloody awesome i hope he comes back more powerful but i can't ever see Black Bolt taking Orion for some reason.
fangirl101
Originally posted by darthgoober
Supes vs...
Gladiator= Supes
Sentry= Supes
Thor= Supes
Quasar= Quasar
Surfer= Surfer
Blackbolt= Supes
Beta ray Bill= Supes
Insane LightRay vs...
Gladiator= Gladiator
Sentry= Sentry
Thor= Thor
Quasar= Quasar
Silver Surfer= Surfer
Black Bolt= Lightray
Beta ray Bill= BRB
Orion w/MB and AF vs...
Gladiator= Orion
Sentry= Orion
Thor= Thor
Quasar= Orion
Silver Surfer= Surfer
Black Bolt= Black Bolt
Beta ray Bill= Orion
Hal Jordan vs...
Gladiator= Hal
Sentry= Hal
Thor= Thor
Quasar= Hal
Silver Surfer= Surfer
Black Bolt= Hal
Beta ray Bill= Hal
Firestorm vs...
Gladiator= Firestorm
Sentry= Firestorm
Thor= Thor
Quasar= Quasar
Silver Surfer= Surfer
Black Bolt= Blackbolt
Beta ray Bill= Firestorm
Martian Manhunter vs...
Gladiator= Manhunter
Sentry= Sentry
Thor= Thor
Quasar= Quasar
Silver Surfer= Surfer
Black Bolt= Manhunter
Beta Ray Bill= BRB
Black Adam vs...
Gladiator= Gladiator
Sentry= Black Adam
Thor= Thor
Quasar= Black Adam
Silver Surfer= Surfer
Black Bolt= Blackbolt
Beta ray Bill= Black Adam
Totals
23/49 wins Team DC
26/49 wins Team Marvel
couple of things I dont' agree with. A See Superman beating Qausar. He's far too fast and powerful to be pwned by Quasar.
Insane Lightray is the fasted quantifiable person on the field. Having fought Takion at 8 times the speed of light. He would beat Sentry and Gladiator simply becuz he is faster and strong enough to put a hurt on them. And his energy control powers are beyond either of thiers. Better versatility. He's even created a sun and this is while at his lame normal self.
How does Sentry beat a phased hand to the brain against MM again? Sentry has shown control over immaterial beings? On MM's level of strength?
Exactly how does BB beat Orion? But BRB doesn't? I'd wager BRB to be more powerful than BB. And how does surfer beat Orion when he's Superman's physical match with none of the weaknesses and far superior energy projection. Hell Thor and Orion hit the hardest of anyone in the field when everything is totalled up.
The Great Galen
Originally posted by fangirl101
couple of things I dont' agree with. A See Superman beating Qausar. He's far too fast and powerful to be pwned by Quasar.
Insane Lightray is the fasted quantifiable person on the field. Having fought Takion at 8 times the speed of light. He would beat Sentry and Gladiator simply becuz he is faster and strong enough to put a hurt on them. And his energy control powers are beyond either of thiers. Better versatility. He's even created a sun and this is while at his lame normal self.
How does Sentry beat a phased hand to the brain against MM again? Sentry has shown control over immaterial beings? On MM's level of strength?
Exactly how does BB beat Orion? But BRB doesn't? I'd wager BRB to be more powerful than BB. And how does surfer beat Orion when he's Superman's physical match with none of the weaknesses and far superior energy projection. Hell Thor and Orion hit the hardest of anyone in the field when everything is totalled up.
Black Bolt is the weak link her, a blitz from Supes is all it would take to put him down. Insane Lightway is overpowered in this fight, peak energy manip with combat speed at 8 time FTL....that in itself will take out Glad,Sentry. BA beats SS, SS has a weakness to magica and BA is a purly magical being who is peers with Supes. Orion defeats or either stalemates Thor amd Jordan and FS amp Supes with solar energy. Team 1 FTW.
Acrosurge
Originally posted by fangirl101
Insane Lightray is the fasted quantifiable person on the field. Having fought Takion at 8 times the speed of light. He would beat Sentry and Gladiator simply becuz he is faster and strong enough to put a hurt on them.Does IL have quantifiable 8X combat feats? If not, I don't see how he could possibly be faster than Glads to say nothing of the Silver Surfer.
The Great Galen
The scan is broken in the respect thread, he moved in FTL speeds in seconds that eventually were 8 times beyond the speed of light I believe it was stated.
fangirl101
Originally posted by Acrosurge
Does IL have quantifiable 8X combat feats? If not, I don't see how he could possibly be faster than Glads to say nothing of the Silver Surfer.
Yup
Takion ended up having to fight lightray and the guy hit him so hard and fast Takion didn't even know who it was he was fighting.
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Takion7-14.jpg
psycho gundam
what if superman hits blackbolt and he says "ouch" ?
darthgoober
Originally posted by Acrosurge
You know, this looks about right to me. I might give Gladiator a couple more wins, assuming that he's bringing his A-Game, and I'm having difficulty seeing BB taking BA over BrB, but all in all, it looks good. Marvel takes it, IMO.
Glad's A game is impressive when we actually see it, but he's got some bad matchups in this fight.
And the reason I gave BB the win over BA and not BRB is primarily due to BB's use of Antimatter blast in combat(and Antimatter is often tough for DC boys to handle). I see BRB trying to get physical with Adam and while I think it would be a good fight I see Adam's combination of ability and ruthlessness as being to much in the end.
darthgoober
I think that most people are massively underestimating what Blackbolt brings to the table in this fight. He might be lower in power than many of those present, but Antimatter is something that has a major impact on many characters from DC and BB's more likely to start throwing it around than anyone else on the field.
darthgoober
Originally posted by fangirl101
Yup
Takion ended up having to fight lightray and the guy hit him so hard and fast Takion didn't even know who it was he was fighting.
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Takion7-14.jpg
Just because they're moving at 8x lightspeed doesn't mean that they're FIGHTING at 8x lightspeed. I can post scans of Surfer squaring of with Drax on his board while traveling from Titan to the Sun in a matter of moments(so they were flying at well beyond 8x lightspeed), but would you accept that as a combat speed feat?
fangirl101
Originally posted by darthgoober
Just because they're moving at 8x lightspeed doesn't mean that they're FIGHTING at 8x lightspeed. I can post scans of Surfer squaring of with Drax on his board while traveling from Titan to the Sun in a matter of moments(so they were flying at well beyond 8x lightspeed), but would you accept that as a combat speed feat?
Takion out right says they are fighting And he gains the upperhand and turns the battle so that they are heading back to the moon. What is so hard to miss about that? Takion Assume Control, I guess since they aren't duking it out at that speed then He just takes the wheel. Basically what you are trying to say.
darthgoober
Originally posted by fangirl101
Takion out right says they are fighting And he gains the upperhand and turns the battle so that they are heading back to the moon. What is so hard to miss about that? Takion Assume Control, I guess since they aren't duking it out at that speed then He just takes the wheel. Basically what you are trying to say.
Pretty much.
Acrosurge
Originally posted by darthgoober
Just because they're moving at 8x lightspeed doesn't mean that they're FIGHTING at 8x lightspeed. I can post scans of Surfer squaring of with Drax on his board while traveling from Titan to the Sun in a matter of moments(so they were flying at well beyond 8x lightspeed), but would you accept that as a combat speed feat? That's what I was wondering about. This appears to be a travel speed feat. The above scan really doesn't do much to solidfy Lightray as the fastest character in the matchups. Surfer has much faster feats, as does Superman, and I'm pretty sure Gladiator does as well.
I'm not questioning his power, but I don't see how one could say that he is the fastest.
fangirl101
Originally posted by Acrosurge
That's what I was wondering about. This appears to be a travel speed feat. The above scan really doesn't do much to solidfy Lightray as the fastest character in the matchups. Surfer has much faster feats, as does Superman, and I'm pretty sure Gladiator does as well.
I'm not questioning his power, but I don't see how one could say that he is the fastest. I said he was the fastest in quantifiable battle speed.
fangirl101
For those that think They weren't fighting and want to belittle the speed feat and the power here it is It looks like they were fighting the WHOLE time to me. Keep in mind lightray criss crossed Apok Thousands of times and had time to lay down light sensors. He also has created a super sun while weak and turned himself into a human sun knife hotter than that of temp of a few suns.
OH AND NOTICE LIGHTRAY"S HAND IN TAKION"S FACE AS THEY FLY. Like hell they weren't fighting at those speeds.
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Takion7-12.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Takion7-13.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Takion7-14.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Takion7-15.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Takion7-17.jpg
darthgoober
Originally posted by fangirl101
For those that think They weren't fighting and want to belittle the speed feat and the power here it is It looks like they were fighting the WHOLE time to me. Keep in mind lightray criss crossed Apok Thousands of times and had time to lay down light sensors. He also has created a super sun while weak and turned himself into a human sun knife hotter than that of temp of a few suns.
OH AND NOTICE LIGHTRAY"S HAND IN TAKION"S FACE AS THEY FLY. Like hell they weren't fighting at those speeds.
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Takion7-12.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Takion7-13.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Takion7-14.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Takion7-15.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Takion7-17.jpg
Looks like a bullrush until they land back on the Moon, and a bullrush at 8x lightspeed is something that Surfer, Gladiator, and Sentry are all capable of matching and exceeding. Just because Lightray's stiffarming Takion in one panel doesn't mean that he was throwing punches at x8 lightspeed.
fangirl101
Originally posted by darthgoober
Looks like a bullrush until they land back on the Moon, and a bullrush at 8x lightspeed is something that Surfer, Gladiator, and Sentry are all capable of matching and exceeding. Just because Lightray's stiffarming Takion in one panel doesn't mean that he was throwing punches at x8 lightspeed.
Show me sentry, glads or surfer "bullrushing"someone on takion's level at 8 times light speed. Hell show me either of them doing so to someone on thier own level. of course they were fighting at those speeds. Hence showing lightray's hand smashed in takion's face and the statement takion makes that he has to assert himself and take control. any attempt at demeaning the feat can surely be done in reverse to anyone of the people you just mentioned. And the fact that Takion's face is drawn with his mouth open as in anger or anguish leads me to believe they were FIGHTING at those speeds. And what the **** is a bull rush? It looks like Takion Got hit before he had time to react. That smacks of blitz to me.
ultimatethor
Originally posted by darthgoober
Looks like a bullrush until they land back on the Moon, and a bullrush at 8x lightspeed is something that Surfer, Gladiator, and Sentry are all capable of matching and exceeding. Just because Lightray's stiffarming Takion in one panel doesn't mean that he was throwing punches at x8 lightspeed.
QFT. Thats more of atravel speed feat than anything else.
darthgoober
Originally posted by fangirl101
Show me sentry, glads or surfer "bullrushing"someone on takion's level at 8 times light speed. Hell show me either of them doing so to someone on thier own level. of course they were fighting at those speeds. Hence showing lightray's hand smashed in takion's face and the statement takion makes that he has to assert himself and take control. any attempt at demeaning the feat can surely be done in reverse to anyone of the people you just mentioned. And the fact that Takion's face is drawn with his mouth open as in anger or anguish leads me to believe they were FIGHTING at those speeds. And what the **** is a bull rush? It looks like Takion Got hit before he had time to react. That smacks of blitz to me.
Bullrushing utilizes traveling speed rather than combat speed, thus traveling feats are the ones that are applicable when figuring out it's results(because all they're doing is slamming into them as fast as possible). What's more, Lightray didn't even bullrush Takion at that speed because Takion notes the acceleration from supersonic to lightspeed after he's hit.
And it IS done in reverse to the people I just mentioned, that's the whole point. None of them are credited with uber combat speed based of their slamming into another character and there's no reason for Lightray to be considered an exception to the rule.
ultimatethor
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Black Bolt is the weak link her, a blitz from Supes is all it would take to put him down. Insane Lightway is overpowered in this fight, peak energy manip with combat speed at 8 time FTL....that in itself will take out Glad,Sentry. BA beats SS, SS has a weakness to magica and BA is a purly magical being who is peers with Supes. Orion defeats or either stalemates Thor amd Jordan and FS amp Supes with solar energy. Team 1 FTW.
Wait a minute. Did u just say that SS has a weakness to magic?
fangirl101
Originally posted by darthgoober
Bullrushing utilizes traveling speed rather than combat speed, thus traveling feats are the ones that are applicable when figuring out it's results(because all they're doing is slamming into them as fast as possible). What's more, Lightray didn't even bullrush Takion at that speed because Takion notes the acceleration from supersonic to lightspeed after he's hit.
And it IS done in reverse to the people I just mentioned, that's the whole point. None of them are credited with uber combat speed based of their slamming into another character and there's no reason for Lightray to be considered an exception to the rule.
I consider this a combat feat becuz Takion cleary is being accelerated in a direction he doesn't want to go. Light ray is using force to move Takion. of course oyu think takion and lightray are just hugging as lightray moves toward the sun wear he'll be even more powerful. So Takion just let's lightray keep his hand in his face. Hah. That isn't even what the next panel shows. It shows Takion with an angry face or open mouth face no hand. One would assume the hand has been removed by force or being used to attack elsewhere.
darthgoober
Originally posted by fangirl101
I consider this a combat feat becuz Takion cleary is being accelerated in a direction he doesn't want to go. Light ray is using force to move Takion. of course oyu think takion and lightray are just hugging as lightray moves toward the sun wear he'll be even more powerful. So Takion just let's lightray keep his hand in his face. Hah. That isn't even what the next panel shows. It shows Takion with an angry face or open mouth face no hand. One would assume the hand has been removed by force or being used to attack elsewhere.
Takion said that the trip took a minute right? Isn't a minute enough time for your hand to move from an opponents face even if you and your opponent are both human?
And I'm not even saying that they weren't fighting at high speeds, just that there's no proof they were throwing and reacting to punches at 8x lightspeed.
fangirl101
Originally posted by darthgoober
Takion said that the trip took a minute right? Isn't a minute enough time for your hand to move from an opponents face even if you and your opponent are both human?
And I'm not even saying that they weren't fighting at high speeds, just that there's no proof they were throwing and reacting to punches at 8x lightspeed.
takion said the trip less than a minute. They were moving faster than 8x light speed. And I'm assuming they had to be reacting at those speeds in order to be aware of where they were headed and exert force to control the direction of the fight. It's never explained how takion gained the upper hand, but he did have to use force to do it. And then he pushed the speed even faster. this all of course during a fight.
darthgoober
Originally posted by fangirl101
takion said the trip less than a minute. They were moving faster than 8x light speed. And I'm assuming they had to be reacting at those speeds in order to be aware of where they were headed and exert force to control the direction of the fight. It's never explained how takion gained the upper hand, but he did have to use force to do it. And then he pushed the speed even faster. this all of course during a fight.
If we're going off of the theory that they'd have to be able to react at those speeds to navigate and such then the same applies to Surfer, Sentry, and Gladiator. And since all three of them have feats of traveling speed that surpass x8 lightspeed....
fangirl101
Originally posted by darthgoober
If we're going off of the theory that they'd have to be able to react at those speeds to navigate and such then the same applies to Surfer, Sentry, and Gladiator. And since all three of them have feats of traveling speed that surpass x8 lightspeed....
Surfer travel's via hyperspace correct? And It's not that they were just traveling, they were traveling while in struggle. changing course and such as the fight progressed. clearly not a travel speed only feat.
Acrosurge
Originally posted by fangirl101
Surfer travel's via hyperspace correct? And It's not that they were just traveling, they were traveling while in struggle. changing course and such as the fight progressed. clearly not a travel speed only feat. He can, but he's not limited to Hyperspace travel if he wants to attain ludicrous speed. See the Infinity Gauntlet feat in which he travels light years in a moment.
As to the feat in question, it is an impressive speed feat, but I really don't see it as proof of real combat speed.
fangirl101
Originally posted by Acrosurge
He can, but he's not limited to Hyperspace travel if he wants to attain ludicrous speed. See the Infinity Gauntlet feat in which he travels light years in a moment.
As to the feat in question, it is an impressive speed feat, but I really don't see it as proof of real combat speed.
I suppose being in combat at high motion isn't a combat speed fight. They were playing patti cake all the way from the moon to the sun.
darthgoober
How impressive of a combat speed feat would this qualify as(keep in mind that the encounter starts on Titan, which is quite a bit further from the Sun than the Earth is)...
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/1440/silversurfer03714om1.th.jpg
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/599/silversurfer03715tz5.th.jpg
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/1369/silversurfer03716cu1.th.jpg
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/7382/silversurfer03717jk5.th.jpg
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/4170/silversurfer03718ch7.th.jpg
fangirl101
Originally posted by darthgoober
How impressive of a combat speed feat would this qualify as(keep in mind that the encounter starts on Titan, which is quite a bit further from the Sun than the Earth is)...
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/1440/silversurfer03714om1.th.jpg
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/599/silversurfer03715tz5.th.jpg
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/1369/silversurfer03716cu1.th.jpg
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/7382/silversurfer03717jk5.th.jpg
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/4170/silversurfer03718ch7.th.jpg
As impressive as Drax is at holding on to the board, they don't touch each other, Surfer is merely trying to shake drax, and I dont know how fast they are going. It's not quantifiable. Which was my earlier point.
darthgoober
Originally posted by fangirl101
As impressive as Drax is at holding on to the board, they don't touch each other, Surfer is merely trying to shake drax, and I dont know how fast they are going. It's not quantifiable. Which was my earlier point.
Surfer's moving around and changing position on the board and doing things like aiming for that asteroid, and that more in the way of complex actions that anything we see from Lightray during his bullrush against Takion. As for how fast they were going, you can just just do the math(you like to do that kind of thing right?) since the action is unbroken from start to finish.
ultimatethor
Originally posted by Acrosurge
He can, but he's not limited to Hyperspace travel if he wants to attain ludicrous speed. See the Infinity Gauntlet feat in which he travels light years in a moment.
As to the feat in question, it is an impressive speed feat, but I really don't see it as proof of real combat speed.
You see the thing is that fangirl is taking the two words "combat" and "speed" to literally. Saying oh well they were "in combat" and using "speed" so we say he has "combat speed". The thing is if that was the main point of combat speed, we would not have all these debates regarding it. By "combat speed", we mean a character being able to repeatedly initiate superfast attacks. That scan does not show light ray repeatedly attacking at light speed. It shows him flying at light speed but the actual blows( if he actually did throw any blows) he initiates are not shown to be anywhere close to this.
Enyalus
Guys - if you're moving at 8x lightspeed, and you're throwing punches at the same time...then your punches are 8x lightspeed with respect to the observer.
ultimatethor
Originally posted by Enyalus
Guys - if you're moving at 8x lightspeed, and you're throwing punches at the same time...then your punches are 8x lightspeed with respect to the observer.
Thats not accurate. If u are flying forward at eight times light speed, the punches u throw are not necessarily equal to the speed u are moving at.
Also no regular obserevr will be able to even see what u r doing and those few who can, certainly wont see the speed of ur punches as being equal to the speed of ur forward movement.
tdazz
Originally posted by Enyalus
Guys - if you're moving at 8x lightspeed, and you're throwing punches at the same time...then your punches are 8x lightspeed with respect to the observer.
No it doesn't. If a pilot in a fighter jet throws a punch while traveling at mach 3 does that doesn't mean that he punches at mach 3.
Just because they were traveling at FTL speeds doesn't neccessarily mean their punches were traveling FTL.
Enyalus
Originally posted by tdazz
No it doesn't. If a pilot in a fighter jet throws a punch while traveling at mach 3 does that doesn't mean that he punches at mach 3.
To an observer who sees it - yes, I think it does.
...But I'm not thinking clearly tonight. I may have to concede the point.
tdazz
Originally posted by Enyalus
To an observer who sees it - yes, I think it does.
...But I'm not thinking clearly tonight. I may have to concede the point.
I think you might too. It's kinda like wiggling a pencil in front of your face. To an observer it would look like the pencil is flexible and bending even though it's not.
Again I use the example of the fighter jet. If two people are fighting in that jet and it's going mach 3, it doesn't mean that they are throwing punches at the speed of mach 3. They would be throwing normal speed punches while travelling at mach 3, know what I mean?
We have to assume this in comics as well, just because two characters are travelling a 8x the speed of light doesn't mean their punches are being thrown at that speed (unless it's stated of course).
Nestical
Originally posted by fangirl101
takion said the trip less than a minute. They were moving faster than 8x light speed. And I'm assuming they had to be reacting at those speeds in order to be aware of where they were headed and exert force to control the direction of the fight. It's never explained how takion gained the upper hand, but he did have to use force to do it. And then he pushed the speed even faster. this all of course during a fight.
is it me or could we have trion juggs fighting catwoman but fangirl will still think of a way for her to win?you are such a DC mark & its sad.ss damn near solos
kakuzu
Marvel wins this. DC people here can't do to much. Marvel has way more attacks to use an what not.
fangirl101
Originally posted by kakuzu
Marvel wins this. DC people here can't do to much. Marvel has way more attacks to use an what not.
Superman-Superior Strength to everyone on the field except Orion. Superior Speed. Heat Vision. Flash freeze breadth. Uber Durability.
Insane LightRay-Superior Energy wielding, light constructs, Energy manip, Matter manip, Superior strength and durability, Speed, etc.
Orion with MBandAF-System shattering AF blast, Force fields, Superman level strength,Speed, Magnetic powers, Shields, healing factor, uber durability, near endless stamina, MB that can alter reality, heal, intercept energy fields, scan for weaknesses, etc.
Hal Jordan- Most versatile Weapon on the field. Able to convert beings into light and absorb them into ring, create constructs, invisibility, speed, shields, able to amp strength and durability, pinpoint weaknesses, block telepathy, etc.
Firestorm(Classic)- Ability to alter molecular structure, high level energy manipulator, even able to manipulate omega force, intangibility,Flight, indestructible constructs etc.
Martian Manhunter- High level Telepathy, Intangibility, Speed, strength, Stamina, shape changing, invisibility, high level energy projection, wind breath, healing ability, etc
Black Adam- Extremely high level durability, extreme high level healing ability, speed, strength, stamina, control over magical lightning that can harm even the spectre,
One Thing I notice is That DC more often than Not has higher end strength levels, Higher End Speed levels and would be fighting on a faster tier.
Bouboumaster
Originally posted by fangirl101
Superman-Superior Strength to everyone on the field except Orion. Superior Speed. Heat Vision. Flash freeze breadth. Uber Durability.
Insane LightRay-Superior Energy wielding, light constructs, Energy manip, Matter manip, Superior strength and durability, Speed, etc.
Orion with MBandAF-System shattering AF blast, Force fields, Superman level strength,Speed, Magnetic powers, Shields, healing factor, uber durability, near endless stamina, MB that can alter reality, heal, intercept energy fields, scan for weaknesses, etc.
Hal Jordan- Most versatile Weapon on the field. Able to convert beings into light and absorb them into ring, create constructs, invisibility, speed, shields, able to amp strength and durability, pinpoint weaknesses, block telepathy, etc.
Firestorm(Classic)- Ability to alter molecular structure, high level energy manipulator, even able to manipulate omega force, intangibility,Flight, indestructible constructs etc.
Martian Manhunter- High level Telepathy, Intangibility, Speed, strength, Stamina, shape changing, invisibility, high level energy projection, wind breath, healing ability, etc
Black Adam- Extremely high level durability, extreme high level healing ability, speed, strength, stamina, control over magical lightning that can harm even the spectre,
One Thing I notice is That DC more often than Not has higher end strength levels, Higher End Speed levels and would be fighting on a faster tier.
Ok, here's a question: Who, on Team DC is a match for Current (Bad ass) Silver Surfer? Who could beat him?
Enyalus
Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Ok, here's a question: Who, on Team DC is a match for Current (Bad ass) Silver Surfer? Who could beat him?
Orion with his tech. And Hal, Firestorm, and Insane Lightray would be able to give him hell, if not outright beat him.
vlaaad12345
Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Ok, here's a question: Who, on Team DC is a match for Current (Bad ass) Silver Surfer? Who could beat him?
Insane lightray amping supes or orion.
Stoic
Originally posted by Enyalus
Orion with his tech. And Hal, Firestorm, and Insane Lightray would be able to give him hell, if not outright beat him.
But he is only one guy, they would have the rest of the team to contend with... wouldn't they?
Enyalus
Originally posted by Stoic
But he is only one guy, they would have the rest of the team to contend with... wouldn't they?
Yup, but my point with listing the others who have the potential to beat him was that they could make it into a very long, difficult fight. In which case something like what vlaaad suggests could happen.
I think.
Bouboumaster
Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Insane lightray amping supes or orion.
What about Surfer chopping Sups in half with his board by reducing his durability via K-nite ray or Red Son blast on his way to kick Lightray's ass?
vlaaad12345
Originally posted by Bouboumaster
What about Surfer chopping Sups in half with his board by reducing his durability via K-nite ray or Red Son blast on his way to kick Lightray's ass?
Plenty of strong people weaken supes he still doesn't get cut in half and surfer doesn't do that to people anyways,and surfer wouldn't kick orion or lightrays asses in any short amount of time,all lightray has to do is make a sun and it will continually amp supes.
ultimatethor
Individually no one on the Dc team can take surfer.
Bouboumaster
Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Plenty of strong people weaken supes he still doesn't get cut in half and surfer doesn't do that to people anyways,and surfer wouldn't kick orion or lightrays asses in any short amount of time,all lightray has to do is make a sun and it will continually amp supes.
Current Surfer doesn't stop at "I'm a pacifist dude". If he have to lay down the smack down to Sups (killing him in the process), he will.
Thor, Black Bolt and Surfer can all three **** with Sups weakness.
fangirl101
Originally posted by ultimatethor
Individually no one on the Dc team can take surfer.
Surfer can't take Insane Lightray, Orion, Or Black Adam with any certainty. They have no weaknesses to exploit, and Insane lightray really is ridiculously powered. Orion's AF is a ***** and BA's crazy magicl lightning would hurt skyfather's if he gets close enough. BA's invulnerability is crazy as well. Those marvel dudes can be turned inside out and just magically get better.
Bouboumaster
The ONLY way I think DC win, it's if MM take care of Gladiator self-esteem, kill him, and bang with someone else on Quasar, or Beta Ray Bill.
If Manhunter fight someone else, it's chekmate for team DC. And it would be worse if he try to mind**** Sentry. He just don't want to try.
fangirl101
Originally posted by Bouboumaster
The ONLY way I think DC win, it's if MM take care of Gladiator self-esteem, kill him, and bang with someone else on Quasar, or Beta Ray Bill.
If Manhunter fight someone else, it's chekmate for team DC. And it would be worse if he try to mind**** Sentry. He just don't want to try.
Or Firestorm can whip up one of his indestructible atomic inertron cages and pwn Thor yet again. Or Sentry. Or anyone who doesn't have uber matter manip abilities.
Red Hulk
Originally posted by fangirl101
Or Firestorm can whip up one of his indestructible atomic inertron cages and pwn Thor yet again. Or Sentry. Or anyone who doesn't have uber matter manip abilities. So... you think FS can take out everyone in team two besides Surfer, and possibly Elvis?
Plus:
Originally posted by fangirl101
Surfer can't take Insane Lightray, Orion, Or Black Adam with any certainty. They have no weaknesses to exploit, and Insane lightray really is ridiculously powered. Orion's AF is a ***** and BA's crazy magicl lightning would hurt skyfather's if he gets close enough. BA's invulnerability is crazy as well. Those marvel dudes can be turned inside out and just magically get better.
How is this not spite then?
fangirl101
Originally posted by Red Hulk
So... you think FS can take out everyone in team two besides Surfer, and possibly Elvis?
Plus:
How is this not spite then?
Why are you responding to me and not reading what I was responding to? I was giving an equally irritating statement to the one I was responding to.
Spite is where someone has no chance. I said Surfer can't take those three with any certainty. Meaning it's not a definite he would get the majority. How are your comprehension skills?
ultimatethor
Originally posted by fangirl101
Surfer can't take Insane Lightray, Orion, Or Black Adam with any certainty. They have no weaknesses to exploit, and Insane lightray really is ridiculously powered. Orion's AF is a ***** and BA's crazy magicl lightning would hurt skyfather's if he gets close enough. BA's invulnerability is crazy as well. Those marvel dudes can be turned inside out and just magically get better.
Nonsense. Surfer does not defeat people just because he exploits there weaknesses so stop kidding urself..Surfer defeats them cuz he has a higher output,is more durable and is more versatile than all of them. Surfer can take anyone on the Dc team in a one on one match any day of the week.
vlaaad12345
Fully unleashed orion....would destroy surfer he has no weakness,superman level physical stats and has the astro force which is as powerful as surfers power cosmic and is ruthless in combat and classic firestorm has enough power to stop precrisis darkseids omega effect with a simple construct.
ultimatethor
Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Fully unleashed orion....would destroy surfer he has no weakness,superman level physical stats and has the astro force which is as powerful as surfers power cosmic and is ruthless in combat and classic firestorm has enough power to stop precrisis darkseids omega effect with a simple construct.
Stop kidding urself. Surfer is still more durable, more versatile and in general more powerful than anyone on the Dc team.
vlaaad12345
Originally posted by ultimatethor
Stop kidding urself. Surfer is still more durable, more versatile and in general more powerful than anyone on the Dc team.
So surfer can provide enough power to collapse 1/5th of a universe?can easily contain precrisis darkseids omega effect you know the ones that have erased pantheons of gods and ****ed up the goddamn antimonitor.......gtfo with this your the only one kidding yourself.
Red Hulk
Originally posted by fangirl101
Why are you responding to me and not reading what I was responding to? I was giving an equally irritating statement to the one I was responding to.
Spite is where someone has no chance. I said Surfer can't take those three with any certainty. Meaning it's not a definite he would get the majority. How are your comprehension skills? Because you're the threadstarter. Well, it's clearly what you think, and when you throw around things like that when you create a thread...
You got Firestorm theoretically soloing the whole team besides two, and you have three people that could fight Surfer without a definite winner...
I wonder who wins in 'fangirl's' world, wait winning doesn't matter, it's when you later allude to this thread being a stomp that's the problem...
Red Hulk
Originally posted by vlaaad12345
So surfer can provide enough power to collapse 1/5th of a universe?can easily contain precrisis darkseids omega effect you know the ones that have erased pantheons of gods and ****ed up the goddamn antimonitor.......gtfo with this your the only one kidding yourself. Undefined universe that seemed pretty small, and no one knows who did what portion (not to mention that this power only seemed to work when the five combined), and if you're talking about Firestorm... he never contained the Omega Effect; he made a funnel to make Darkseid's Omega Force go back in his face.
ultimatethor
Originally posted by vlaaad12345
So surfer can provide enough power to collapse 1/5th of a universe?can easily contain precrisis darkseids omega effect you know the ones that have erased pantheons of gods and ****ed up the goddamn antimonitor.......gtfo with this your the only one kidding yourself.
Well if its by high feats u want to go by. The surfer did basically contain the universal energies of the unilord and was able to channel the crunch, a feat that galactus himself said would be difficult for him. So even by high feats, stop kidding urself cuz SS still beats anyone in the DC team one on one. And imsure this will be accepted by most. He is more durable, more versatile and in general more powerful. Sorry if it pisses u off.
vlaaad12345
Originally posted by ultimatethor
Well if its by high feats u want to go by. The surfer did basically contain the universal energies of the unilord and was able to channel the crunch, a feat that galactus himself said would be difficult for him. So even by high feats, stop kidding urself cuz SS still beats anyone in the DC team one on one. And imsure this will be accepted by most. He is more durable, more versatile and in general more powerful. Sorry if it pisses u off.
Surfing a energy sources thats already there o noes,how about a feat of him actually using his own power,so far his only demonstrations are destroying a small planet and making a black hole nothing that comes close to taking out firestorm or orion,and again antimonitor>>>>>galactus unilord aegis and tenebrous lemme know when surfer starts manipulating energy like the omega effect,get off surfers nuts already orion has oneshoted superman before.
darthgoober
Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Surfing a energy sources thats already there o noes,how about a feat of him actually using his own power,so far his only demonstrations are destroying a small planet and making a black hole nothing that comes close to taking out firestorm or orion , and again antimonitor>>>>>galactus unilord aegis and tenebrous lemme know when surfer starts manipulating energy like the omega effect,get off surfers nuts already orion has oneshoted superman before.
If you have a scan handy of Orion and/or Firestorm shaking off a blast powerful enough to create a blackhole as a side effect I'd love to see it...
ultimatethor
Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Surfing a energy sources thats already there o noes,how about a feat of him actually using his own power,so far his only demonstrations are destroying a small planet and making a black hole nothing that comes close to taking out firestorm or orion,and again antimonitor>>>>>galactus unilord aegis and tenebrous lemme know when surfer starts manipulating energy like the omega effect,get off surfers nuts already orion has oneshoted superman before.
Man u really need help. In ur assesment of Firestorm and orions capabilities u were both lying and not presenting the feats in context and yet u are still writing rubbish. Its not the first time for u so im hardly surprised. And are u dumb? Surfer manipulated the big crunch while weakened, a feat that galactus himself said would be difficult. Thats way different from creating a funnel for the omega effect
And dont give me that nonsense of orion one shotting superman because orion and superman are usually portrayed as peers so if he did one shot him it was just a low showing for supes. Also surfer has created multiple blackholes as a side effect from an energy blast.
Try to get it this time, More durable, more versatile and more powerful.
comicfan11
Superman
Insane LightRay
Orion with MBandAF
Hal Jordan
Firestorm(Classic)
Martian Manhunter
Black Adam
vs.
Gladiator
Sentry
Classic Thor
Classic Quasar
Silver Surfer
Black Bolt
Beta ray Bill
Team 1
Orion and Insane Lightray tip the scales for me.
Plus I don't sell BB short but I don't think he would last to much in this fight
If it was current Thor I might go with team 2
vlaaad12345
Originally posted by ultimatethor
Man u really need help. In ur assesment of Firestorm and orions capabilities u were both lying and not presenting the feats in context and yet u are still writing rubbish. Its not the first time for u so im hardly surprised. And are u dumb? Surfer manipulated the big crunch while weakened, a feat that galactus himself said would be difficult. Thats way different from creating a funnel for the omega effect
And dont give me that nonsense of orion one shotting superman because orion and superman are usually portrayed as peers so if he did one shot him it was just a low showing for supes. Also surfer has created multiple blackholes as a side effect from an energy blast.
Try to get it this time, More durable, more versatile and more powerful.
More durable?perhaps with amping,more versatile?not really classic firestorm has done pretty much everything surfer can,more powerful?all he has done since his ''upgrade'' is make black holes and destroy small planets neither of those will harm firestorm or orion,the omega force is the strongest form of the omega effect so sorry if Im not impressed by surfer surfing some energy and redirecting it,im not lying about anything nothing about that universe was said to be smaller orion was powering 1/5th of it,surfer isn't dealing with people like orion and firestorm at the same time sorry that your absolute love of all things surfer has blinded you to that.
psycho gundam
^ nvr has 2 sock accounts? holy hell
ultimatethor
Originally posted by vlaaad12345
More durable?perhaps with amping,more versatile?not really classic firestorm has done pretty much everything surfer can,more powerful?all he has done since his ''upgrade'' is make black holes and destroy small planets neither of those will harm firestorm or orion,the omega force is the strongest form of the omega effect so sorry if Im not impressed by surfer surfing some energy and redirecting it,im not lying about anything nothing about that universe was said to be smaller orion was powering 1/5th of it,surfer isn't dealing with people like orion and firestorm at the same time sorry that your absolute love of all things surfer has blinded you to that.
What? Surfer has better durability feats than anyone on the Dc team. I dont know what amping u r talking about. More versatile yeah, Surfer has better output and fine manipulation feats than classic firestorm any day of the week. U are obviously blind or just refusing to read anything i wrote. Surfer was surfing some enrgy? Thats how u define channeling the big crunch? surfing some enrgy? As i said u really need help. Galactus himself talks about the difficulty of the feat and u define it as surfing some enrgy.
What daftness. Also, the surfer absorbed and manipulated the universal energies of the unilord. U go around misrepresenting feats and putting them out of context and call it an argument .
How pitiful.
And oh the last part of ur post only cements ur foolishness. I never said that surfer could take orion and firestorm at the same time. I said that individually he was superior to anyone on the DC team. Im sorry that either ur blindness and inability to read, blatant DC fanaticism or most likely absolute idiocy stopped u from seeing something clear to any sane person.
What nonsense
fangirl101
Originally posted by ultimatethor
What? Surfer has better durability feats than anyone on the Dc team. I dont know what amping u r talking about. More versatile yeah, Surfer has better output and fine manipulation feats than classic firestorm any day of the week. U are obviously blind or just refusing to read anything i wrote. Surfer was surfing some enrgy? Thats how u define channeling the big crunch? surfing some enrgy? As i said u really need help. Galactus himself talks about the difficulty of the feat and u define it as surfing some enrgy.
What daftness. Also, the surfer absorbed and manipulated the universal energies of the unilord. U go around misrepresenting feats and putting them out of context and call it an argument .
How pitiful.
And oh the last part of ur post only cements ur foolishness. I never said that surfer could take orion and firestorm at the same time. I said that individually he was superior to anyone on the DC team. Im sorry that either ur blindness and inability to read, blatant DC fanaticism or most likely absolute idiocy stopped u from seeing something clear to any sane person.
What nonsense
Kyle once held a big bang. And it's generally accepted that Hal is his superior. Channelling energy is much easier to do than blocking it out or holding it in place.
Mindset
Kyle > Hal
That is all.
kgkg
Originally posted by Mindset
Kyle > Hal
That is all.
Hal > kyle
all is that
fangirl101
Originally posted by Mindset
Kyle > Hal
That is all.
I used to think so too. But most people say Hal is the best.
Mindset
Originally posted by kgkg
Hal > kyle
all is that
Well you're wrong, so your opinion doesn't matter.
The Great Galen
Originally posted by ultimatethor
What? Surfer has better durability feats than anyone on the Dc team. I dont know what amping u r talking about. More versatile yeah, Surfer has better output and fine manipulation feats than classic firestorm any day of the week. U are obviously blind or just refusing to read anything i wrote. Surfer was surfing some enrgy? Thats how u define channeling the big crunch? surfing some enrgy? As i said u really need help. Galactus himself talks about the difficulty of the feat and u define it as surfing some enrgy.
What daftness. Also, the surfer absorbed and manipulated the universal energies of the unilord. U go around misrepresenting feats and putting them out of context and call it an argument .
How pitiful.
And oh the last part of ur post only cements ur foolishness. I never said that surfer could take orion and firestorm at the same time. I said that individually he was superior to anyone on the DC team. Im sorry that either ur blindness and inability to read, blatant DC fanaticism or most likely absolute idiocy stopped u from seeing something clear to any sane person.
What nonsense
I don't believe SS is infividually better then everyone on the DC side. BA is a magical bean comaprable to Supes in every respect, SS would lose baldy to him since there isnt any exploitable weakness in BA. Same situation with Oriion, Insane lightray and Jordan.
The Great Galen
Originally posted by ultimatethor
Man u really need help. In ur assesment of Firestorm and orions capabilities u were both lying and not presenting the feats in context and yet u are still writing rubbish. Its not the first time for u so im hardly surprised. And are u dumb? Surfer manipulated the big crunch while weakened, a feat that galactus himself said would be difficult. Thats way different from creating a funnel for the omega effect
And dont give me that nonsense of orion one shotting superman because orion and superman are usually portrayed as peers so if he did one shot him it was just a low showing for supes. Also surfer has created multiple blackholes as a side effect from an energy blast.
Try to get it this time, More durable, more versatile and more powerful.
The Great Galen
Originally posted by comicfan11
Superman
Insane LightRay
Orion with MBandAF
Hal Jordan
Firestorm(Classic)
Martian Manhunter
Black Adam
vs.
Gladiator
Sentry
Classic Thor
Classic Quasar
Silver Surfer
Black Bolt
Beta ray Bill
Team 1
Orion and Insane Lightray tip the scales for me.
Plus I don't sell BB short but I don't think he would last to much in this fight
If it was current Thor I might go with team 2
Black bolt isnt a factor in this fight, isane lightray is to beastly in this case.
kgkg
Originally posted by Mindset
Well you're wrong, so your opinion doesn't matter. have hope! kyle will get there in time
darthgoober
Originally posted by fangirl101
Kyle once held a big bang. And it's generally accepted that Hal is his superior. Channelling energy is much easier to do than blocking it out or holding it in place.
Wasn't that during the period in which Kyle was unconsciously drawing on the Ion Power or something like that? I seem to remember ODG pointing out something to that effect...
kgkg
Originally posted by The Great Galen
I don't believe SS is infividually better then everyone on the DC side. BA is a magical bean comaprable to Supes in every respect, SS would lose baldy to him since there isnt any exploitable weakness in BA. Same situation with Oriion, Insane lightray and Jordan. Your assuming SS needs to exploit weakness to take down Superman like character
exploiting makes it easy for him
ultimatethor
Originally posted by fangirl101
Kyle once held a big bang. And it's generally accepted that Hal is his superior. Channelling energy is much easier to do than blocking it out or holding it in place.
Please dont bring in pre crisis feats or feats here kyle was using the ion power cuz im sure dats one of em. Where ODG when u need him. And actually channeling energy and manipulating it to ur will is certainly not easier than blocking it out.
The Great Galen
Originally posted by kgkg
Your assuming SS needs to exploit weakness to take down Superman like character
exploiting makes it easy for him
Im judging SS by his powerset and his particular style of fighting. I don't see him competing agaisnt BA h2h and I dont consider all these"exotic"powers as powerful as some posters are tying to pass them off.
ultimatethor
Originally posted by The Great Galen
I don't believe SS is infividually better then everyone on the DC side. BA is a magical bean comaprable to Supes in every respect, SS would lose baldy to him since there isnt any exploitable weakness in BA. Same situation with Oriion, Insane lightray and Jordan.
You have no idea what u r talking about. So what if he has no exploitable weakness? SS never needed and exploitbale weakness to defeat superman in the first place. SS is more durable than BA, more versatile and has a higher power output. The same goes for all the characters Orion lightray and Jordan.
fangirl101
Originally posted by ultimatethor
Please dont bring in pre crisis feats or feats here kyle was using the ion power cuz im sure dats one of em. Where ODG when u need him. And actually channeling energy and manipulating it to ur will is certainly not easier than blocking it out.
Big bang power ain't nothing to mess with.
kgkg
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Im judging SS by his powerset and his particular style of fighting. I don't see him competing agaisnt BA h2h and I dont consider all these"exotic"powers as powerful as some posters are tying to pass them off. SS isn't a H2h guy, surfer these days is often written very well compare to other marvel top tier i mean just look at what he did in Uni force saga.
darthgoober
Originally posted by ultimatethor
Please dont bring in pre crisis feats or feats here kyle was using the ion power cuz im sure dats one of em. Where ODG when u need him. And actually channeling energy and manipulating it to ur will is certainly not easier than blocking it out.
Found the explanation...
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Finally. I found the f'ing answer to this. You want something done right, you gotta do it yourself. Kyle was not Ion at the time of 'Our Worlds at War.' He actually became Ion AFTER 'Our Worlds at War.' Now at first, you'd think that'd indicate he couldn't have been using Ion power during 'Our Worlds at War.' But that's only half of the story.
Because at that time, Kyle was unconsciously tapping into the Ion power. From Green Lantern #142-150, Kyle was getting stronger and stronger in power. He didn't understand it at first. He didn't know why until he realized that he was siphoning the Power of the Guardians left over inside the sun, where Hal Jordan left it after he sacrificed himself during 'Final Night.' That was the source of Kyle's classic Ion power. So yeah, Kyle containing Imperiex's energies involved him tapping into the Ion power. He didn't do it under his own Green Lantern power. Now how can we be sure that Kyle was unconsciously tapping into it during the events of 'Our Worlds at War?'
Simple, because his OWAW tie-in issue, Green Lantern: Our Worlds at War, occurs before the events in Superman #173 (where Kyle contains Imperiex's energy). In the GL: OWAW tie-in issue, Kyle is seen on-panel to be wondering why he is becoming more powerful:
ultimatethor
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Im judging SS by his powerset and his particular style of fighting. I don't see him competing agaisnt BA h2h and I dont consider all these"exotic"powers as powerful as some posters are tying to pass them off.
Really ur way viewing fights is so limited is unbelievable. U dont see Ss competing with BA in h2h? Who said he has 2? SS has more than enough blast power to suffice. SS also has better durability and has powerful shields to boot. His exotic powers are also top notch in Marvel whether u like it or not.
ultimatethor
Originally posted by fangirl101
Big bang power ain't nothing to mess with.
Well im sure it isnt. What a surprise, More misrepresentation and taking feats out of context.
fangirl101
Originally posted by ultimatethor
Well im sure it isnt. What a surprise, More misrepresentation and taking feats out of context.
from the silver surfer concubine who thinks he can beat every body in the dc universe under the spectre.
darthgoober
Originally posted by fangirl101
from the silver surfer concubine who thinks he can beat every body in the dc universe under the spectre.
But has he ever knowingly misrepresented a feat or taken it out of context...
fangirl101
Originally posted by darthgoober
But has he ever knowingly misrepresented a feat or taken it out of context...
When have I? stay out of it before I have to let you have it.
darthgoober
Originally posted by fangirl101
When have I? stay out of it before I have to let you have it.
...
Originally posted by fangirl101
Kyle once held a big bang. And it's generally accepted that Hal is his superior. Channelling energy is much easier to do than blocking it out or holding it in place.
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