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Okay, so this is a little game we did today at work.

Basically, if you were trapped on a desert island, what ten games would you want to have with you?

Or, in other words, what ten games would you be able to play if you only had those to choose from for the rest of your life?

So, list out ten games. It doesn't have to be in order, but if you want to order them, that's fine. The only other real rule we came up with is that you do have access to Xbox Live/PSN/Wii wi-fi.

Here is my list I created:

1. Final Fantasy X
2. Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
3. Dragon Warrior
4. Puzzle Quest
5. Call of Duty 4
6. Final Fantasy IV
7. Lost Odyssey
8. Lunar 2: Eternal Blue
9. Prince of Persia: Sands of Time
10. Lego Star Wars: Complete Saga

It's more difficult than it seems - I deliberated over what game would round out my ten for a good half hour. One of the other guys cheated and put about 4-5 games tied for the tenth spot. I found picking five games much easier, before we decided to expand it to ten.

So, go! I want to see some other people's lists

FFV
FFTA2
No More Heroes
Super Smash Bros. Brawl
Shinobi
Virtua Fighter 5
A.C.E. 3
Mario Galaxy
Sonic 3&K
Bomberman, which one I'm not 100% sure, but for the sake of convenience 2008.

A deserted island with electricity?

And it has an internet connection?

Only a retard would stay stranded for long.

1. Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion Game of the Year Edition

2. Star Wars: KOTOR 2

3. Fable: The Lost Chapters

4. Legend of Dragoon

5. Final Fantasy VIII

6. Final Fantasy X

7. Halo 3(if I get XBOX Live)

8. Def Jam: Fight for New York

9. Final Fantasy Tactics

10. Elder Scrolls 3: Morrowind Game of the Year Edition

MGS4
Mass Effect
Kotor1
Wind Waker
COD4
Super Smash Bros Melee
MGS3
GTA SA
Halo 3
Resident Evil 4

Which basically is the point of the game - it's like a top ten games list, but with a twist. It's not as simple as it looks.

(however, I think games like OoT and linear RPs have a ton of replay value, but that's just me )

Yeah I also chose for replay value.

Halo 3
GoW
MGS4
FF7
Perfect Dark
OoT
Tekken 5
SF3
GTA4

TFC
Madden 09
Super Mario 3 for the GBA
Company Of Heroes plus exp pack
Battlefield 2
NHL 09
MVP 06
NBA 2k8
Half Life
Half Life 2 plus episodes

Yep, that would be it.

I guess I'd pick one game from these franchises:

Zelda, Mario, Sonic, Metroid, F-Zero, Super Smash Bros, Mortal Kombat, Wario Ware, Final Fantasy, and another Mario game.

Halo 3
Legends of Dragoon
Duke Nukem
NCAA Football 09
Grand Theft Auto San Andreas
Elder Scrolls: Morrowwind
Madden 09
Oblivion
Star Wars Battlefronts 2
Rock Band

Originally posted by Newjak
Legends of Dragoon Yay, another LoD fan!

Gonna assume PC games are allowed.

1. WoW
2. Final Fantasy VI
3. Final Fantasy VII
4. Final Fantasy X
5. The Orange Box
6. Chrono Trigger
7. Tetris Attack
8. Call of Duty 4
9. Gears of War
10. Street Fighter 4 (Gonna be awesome)

I might sub out something for Battlefield 2. Good call Smas.

And Half-Life 2 wouldn't make it for me. Way too short, even with the episodes. Great fun, good for a few playthroughs probably. But limited replay value.

Are you forgetting the massive amount of mods for the Half Life franchise?

And HL2 too short?

First time through is roughly 15-20 hours plus 6-8 for two episodes. Thats plenty of gaming.

What I was thinking was that I would take numerous games that would never end (sports or MP) and put some SP games in there to spruce things up because sometimes I dont want to play online. So having the 4 sports games, a couple of online shooters and RTS, and then add some SP games.

I'll substitute TFC because in my opinion, mods would come with games, and add COD4.

Metroid: Prime (GC)
Final Fantasty VII (PS1)
Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (Wii)
Grand Theft Auto 4 (PS2)
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 4 (GC)
Chrono Cross (PS1)
Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (N64)
Final Fantasy III (SNES)
Resident Evil 2 (GC)
The Orange Box (PS3)

I would say Call of Duty 4, but without online capability, it's just too short a game, and I've beaten it several times on Veteran mode. However, it's still an epic game.

1. Pokemon....err...any colour.
2. Star Wars Jedi Outcast
3. Counter Strike Source
4. CoD 2
5. Chrono Trigger
6. Dawn of War 2
7. Command and Conquer 3: Tiberium Wars
8. Monster Rancher 4 (Only played the first so I figure 3 sequels later cant be too bad)
9. Tetris
10. Warhammer Online/World of Warcraft (flip a coin I guess..)


Would probably swap Monstar Rancher for a good JRPG but I cant think of any at the moment..srug

Street fighter anniversary collection
Mortal Kombat Deception
Kingdom Hearts II
Max Payne 1 and 2
Grand Theft Auto 4
PES 08
SSBB
WWE Raw 2
Dead Or Alive 4

Originally posted by Outbound
1. Pokemon....err...any colour.
2. Star Wars Jedi Outcast
3. Counter Strike Source
4. CoD 2
5. Chrono Trigger
6. Dawn of War 2
7. Command and Conquer 3: Tiberium Wars
8. Monster Rancher 4 (Only played the first so I figure 3 sequels later cant be too bad)
9. Tetris
10. Warhammer Online/World of Warcraft (flip a coin I guess..)


Would probably swap Monstar Rancher for a good JRPG but I cant think of any at the moment..srug

If there were other people stranded with me, I'd put:
1. Goldeneye
2. Super Smash Bros.
3. Guitar Hero 3 + expansions/downloads etc
4. Halo
5. Unreal Tournament 2004

1.) Super Mario Galaxy (Wii)
2.) Sonic the Hedgehog 2 (Genesis)
3.) Super Mario Bros 3 (NES!!!)
4.) Super Smash Bros Brawl (Wii)
5.) Final Fantasy IV (I would go for the DS version if any but the SNES would be cool too)
6.) The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (N64)
7.) Star Wars Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast (GC version)
8.) Star Fox 64 (N64)
9.) Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles III (NES)
10.) If it is as good as it looks; Sonic Unleashed and if it sucks (which history shows may actually happen) then Sonic Rush Adventure.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Yay, another LoD fan! It's an awesome game

1. Oblivion game of year edition
2. Tiberium Wars
3. Titan quest Gold
4. Hellgate London
5. WoW
6. DMC4
7. Rise of Nations: Rise of Legends
8. Black and White 2
9. Prey
10. Sacrifice

I would probably swap Black and white 2 for Spore if it was out when i was on the island

Just bring me 9 SW games and SSBB and I'm happy.

Damn this island is gonna be off the chain, i can't wait till we crash. We is gonna be some video game playin fools


my picks

Oblivion
NHL 2k7
Dead Rising
Marvel VS CAPCOM 2
GTA-san andreas
Conkers Bad fur Day
Einhander
Shenmue
intelligent cube
One

I would sneak Bully and the warriors on, tucked under my shirt.

oblivion
Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines
Witcher
Supreme Commander forged Alliance
Black and White 2
Hellgate London
Dungeon Keeper
Warcraft
Mass Effect
Mediavel 2 Total War

Then I would sneak away with World in Conflict too.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Warcraft

The first game?

List goes like this...

1.SF Anniversary Collection (I can play SFII and III over and over.)

2.Project Justice (This game is just to cool to go wit out)

3. Marvel Vs Capcom 2 (This game is just to cool to go wit out, the possibilities in this game are endless)


4.SFA Anthology (Wit all the SFAs and Pocket Fighter, it'll last me for years)

5.FF7 (This game is good and long, if you complete EVERYTHING)

6.Shenmue II (This is one long game that I can really get into)

7.SCIV (I think peeps will know why this game is good for this situation.)

8.Chu Chu Rocket (yup) (The puzzles and possibilities will keep me busy for while)

9.Megaman Anniversary Collection (ALL the Megamans, oh yeah.)

10.Dark Stalkers Chronicles Chaos Tower (long game wit a ton of special features and a LONG and HARD tower mode that I have yet to beat.)

Best list on this damn forum...nuff said.

Originally posted by Seer Q'Anilia
The first game?

No the entire collection, can be brought here in a special package I toke it, that then it would only count for one ore does they call it the Blizzard pack... frankly cannot remember...

Sweet idea, Peach.

Alright, here's my ten.

1. Metal Gear solid 3.
2. Call of Duty 4.
3. Advance Wars: Dual strike.
4. Lylat Wars.
5. Perfect Dark 64.
6. Final Fantasy 10.
7. Resident evil 4.
8. Legent of Zelda: Wind Waker.
9. Devil may cry 1.
10. Half life 2.

Originally posted by Smasandian
Are you forgetting the massive amount of mods for the Half Life franchise?

And HL2 too short?

First time through is roughly 15-20 hours plus 6-8 for two episodes. Thats plenty of gaming.

20-28 hours is a fairly standard game. And most people played through HL2 and the 2 episodes at closer to 20 than 30 hours. "Plenty of gaming" becomes redefined in the island scenario. I wouldn't be taking anything without the potential for 100+ hours, or massive replay potential. A few run-throughs of HL2 and I'd already be a bit bored.

My list, in no particular order:

-GTA San Andreas (PS2)(I played that game for a whole year, not kidding... now that I think about it, haven't reached 100% yet)
-SW Battelfront II (PS2)
-Super Mario All Star (Snes)
-MGS3 Subsistence (PS2)
-Warcraft 3 (PC)
-Dark Forces 2: Jedi Knight (PC)
-Guitar Hero III (PS3)
-The Orange Box (360)
-FFVII (PS1)
-Tetris (GB) (how can you ever get sick of Tetris?)

that's asuming there's no one else with me, and there's no access to internet

I would swap MGS4 and GTAIV for Guitar Hero and SW Battlefront 2, but I haven't played them yet so I don't know if there's that much replay value...

Originally posted by DigiMark007
20-28 hours is a fairly standard game. And most people played through HL2 and the 2 episodes at closer to 20 than 30 hours. "Plenty of gaming" becomes redefined in the island scenario. I wouldn't be taking anything without the potential for 100+ hours, or massive replay potential. A few run-throughs of HL2 and I'd already be a bit bored.

For an FPS, 10 hours is usually the norm nowadays while 20 hours is really pushing it in terms of quality gaming.

Youll never see an FSP go at 28 hours unless its like Far Cry 2, or very open ended game like STALKER. But the majority of that time is taking up by running towards the objective so in reality, your really not hitting the actual gameplay bits.

But in the end, as Ive said before, I get bored with games that last over 100 hours, and I lose interest. I rather have a few games like Half LIfe that will change it up every 4 months or so.

Also, your forgetting the massive amount of mods that are available to the Half Life franchise. With HL1, I can play CS, TFC plus countless others, including a million SP mods.

Same with HL2, I can play TF2, CSS, Portal, Deathmatch and others.

In my mind, thats a ton of replay value to me.

Originally posted by Smasandian
For an FPS, 10 hours is usually the norm nowadays while 20 hours is really pushing it in terms of quality gaming.

Youll never see an FSP go at 28 hours unless its like Far Cry 2, or very open ended game like STALKER. But the majority of that time is taking up by running towards the objective so in reality, your really not hitting the actual gameplay bits.

But in the end, as Ive said before, I get bored with games that last over 100 hours, and I lose interest. I rather have a few games like Half LIfe that will change it up every 4 months or so.

Also, your forgetting the massive amount of mods that are available to the Half Life franchise. With HL1, I can play CS, TFC plus countless others, including a million SP mods.

Same with HL2, I can play TF2, CSS, Portal, Deathmatch and others.

In my mind, thats a ton of replay value to me.

At what point do mods become entirely new games that simply use the same engine? Is TF2 really HL, for example? Can I put Unreal Tournament on my list, and co-op every game that uses the engine? Seems a bit of a non-sensical loophole to me, but yeah I guess it would alter the list somewhat. Most of the examples you mentioned are clearly completely separate, and have only cursory aspects in common.

Also, 10 hours?! I'm not sure what you're playing. I don't know a serious game that takes even veteran gamers less than 15 on the first playthrough. And don't say Portal, which can be beaten in one sitting. It was an extended tech demo, and while admittedly awesome, never pretended to be a full game. Mod it all you want, I still can spend more time eating dinner than I can playing through all the levels on expert mode. Have fun with it on your island. I'll play WoW for years and Oblivion for weeks while you fall 50 million feet through portals just because you can.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
I don't know a serious game that takes even veteran gamers less than 15 on the first playthrough.

You don't know many gamers, then, do you

I've beaten COD4 in under a dozen hours, and I suck at FPSs. And that's a long playthrough of that game. A lot of games now - especially shooters - are exceptionally short and can be beaten in under 10 hours.

Most of the 'veteran gamers' I know can easily go through a lot of games in under 15 hours on the first playthrough. A half dozen hours is more like it, really.

The last game that took me more than 15 hours was Tales of the Abyss. Which, as it's an RPG, is expected. (It took me just over 90, for those interested).

But your average game is settling around 10 hours nowadays.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
At what point do mods become entirely new games that simply use the same engine? Is TF2 really HL, for example? Can I put Unreal Tournament on my list, and co-op every game that uses the engine? Seems a bit of a non-sensical loophole to me, but yeah I guess it would alter the list somewhat. Most of the examples you mentioned are clearly completely separate, and have only cursory aspects in common.


Using a game engine and modding a game are different though. Lots of games use the Unreal engine, but arent mods to Unreal. Counterstrike was modded from Half Life before becoming a standalone retail game.




To game length - Do you think game length is decreasing due to technology improving? If a game is packed full of high res graphics, physics engines etc, do the developers want us to sit down and have 10 hours of gameplay so we appreciate the work put into it more, or they just arent being creative in the storytelling aspect as much?

Originally posted by Outbound
Using a game engine and modding a game are different though. Lots of games use the Unreal engine, but arent mods to Unreal. Counterstrike was modded from Half Life before becoming a standalone retail game.




To game length - Do you think game length is decreasing due to technology improving? If a game is packed full of high res graphics, physics engines etc, do the developers want us to sit down and have 10 hours of gameplay so we appreciate the work put into it more, or they just arent being creative in the storytelling aspect as much?

Honestly, I think a lot of the games that are getting to be so short are doing so because the developers think that shiny physics engines and graphics are enough to carry the game. But that's not the case. A game with nothing to it is a crappy game, no matter how pretty it looks.

Originally posted by Peach
Honestly, I think a lot of the games that are getting to be so short are doing so because the developers think that shiny physics engines and graphics are enough to carry the game. But that's not the case. A game with nothing to it is a crappy game, no matter how pretty it looks.

What about say, CoD 4? Good game, good graphics etc, but short gameplay.

Although most of the CoD series has been short ermm

Originally posted by Outbound
What about say, CoD 4? Good game, good graphics etc, but short gameplay.

Although most of the CoD series has been short ermm

I said a lot, not all

Oblivion w/expansions (no replay value but it's long enough)
SSBB
Madden '09
Metal Gear Solid 4
Sonic Adventure battles 2 (Chao Garden can keep me entertained for up to a year at the least)
Age of Mythology
Crysis
NFL Street 3
Lost Odyssey
Playboy (I don't think I have any porn so this will have to suffice, hopefully the graphics are decent...)

If I have time before I crash I'd switch out Playboy for Prototype and masturbate to me kicking ass.

final fantasy 10/9/8/7/6
crono cross/crono trigger
vagrant story
xenogears
metal gear solid 1/2/3 subsistance/4
xenosaga 3
shadow hearts 1/2
kingdom hearts 1/2
ico
shadow of colossus
shadow of destiny
silent hill 1/2/3/4/origins
disgaea 1/2/3
halo
nuclear dawn
mario 64
legend of zelda, ocarina of time, majora's mask, windwaker, twighlight princess
okami
zone of the enders 2
dot hack and dot hack GU series
dark cloud 2


all good contendors for me.

Do it properly or don't do it at all, please. 10 games, no more, no less.

#1: Command and Conquer the first decade.
#2: Duke Nukem 3D with all expansions.
#3: Doom 3 with expansion.
#4: Street Fighter Alpha Anthologies
#5: CVS2
#6: Tekken 6
#7: SC4
#8: GTA San Andreas (With mods)
#9: Oblivion GOTY
#10: The KOF series

Originally posted by DigiMark007
At what point do mods become entirely new games that simply use the same engine? Is TF2 really HL, for example? Can I put Unreal Tournament on my list, and co-op every game that uses the engine? Seems a bit of a non-sensical loophole to me, but yeah I guess it would alter the list somewhat. Most of the examples you mentioned are clearly completely separate, and have only cursory aspects in common.

Also, 10 hours?! I'm not sure what you're playing. I don't know a serious game that takes even veteran gamers less than 15 on the first playthrough. And don't say Portal, which can be beaten in one sitting. It was an extended tech demo, and while admittedly awesome, never pretended to be a full game. Mod it all you want, I still can spend more time eating dinner than I can playing through all the levels on expert mode. Have fun with it on your island. I'll play WoW for years and Oblivion for weeks while you fall 50 million feet through portals just because you can.



I really dont know what FPS you play, but if not all of them are less than 20 hours. If they are over that many hours than usually the gameplay suffers. Look at Bioshock, its around 25 hours but those last 5 hours are weak compared to the first 10. Even Ken Levine said the same thing.

But all those games, you can get when you buy Half Life 2. Try it out on Steam. Also if people can play online with an internet connection than mods should be allowed also because you just need a copy of Half Life, or a copy of Half Life 2 and a net connection. Hell, the reason why Half Life sold so well was because of the mod scene. Sometimes it sells the game. You seriously never seen the mod scene for Half Life have you?

Originally posted by Peach
Do it properly or don't do it at all, please. 10 games, no more, no less.

so do you have internet access or not?

cuz I would put WOW instead of Warcraft 3

Originally posted by S_D_J
so do you have internet access or not?

cuz I would put WOW instead of Warcraft 3

It says right in the first post that you have access to Live/PSN/etc. That requires internet access. So yes.

Also, this is meant to be games that are out already. If you list a game that's not yet out and got stranded tomorrow, you would not have that game!

Originally posted by Peach
It says right in the first post that you have access to Live/PSN/etc. That requires internet access. So yes.

Also, this is meant to be games that are out already. If you list a game that's not yet out and got stranded tomorrow, you would not have that game!

silly me ... I must be dyslexic or something since I though it said NO access to Live/PSN/Wiiconnect...

so yeah... WOW...

Originally posted by Peach
It says right in the first post that you have access to Live/PSN/etc. That requires internet access. So yes.

Also, this is meant to be games that are out already. If you list a game that's not yet out and got stranded tomorrow, you would not have that game!

I guess that would make sense. Opps.

Originally posted by General Kaliero
But your average game is settling around 10 hours nowadays.

Because everyone is putting too much focus on the online modes and thus the single player experience suffers (not every single one mind you but for the most part they do).

Originally posted by Smasandian
I really dont know what FPS you play, but if not all of them are less than 20 hours. If they are over that many hours than usually the gameplay suffers. Look at Bioshock, its around 25 hours but those last 5 hours are weak compared to the first 10. Even Ken Levine said the same thing.

But all those games, you can get when you buy Half Life 2. Try it out on Steam. Also if people can play online with an internet connection than mods should be allowed also because you just need a copy of Half Life, or a copy of Half Life 2 and a net connection. Hell, the reason why Half Life sold so well was because of the mod scene. Sometimes it sells the game. You seriously never seen the mod scene for Half Life have you?

Of course I've seen "the mod scene." That was never the issue, nor my original point. I was simply arguing that a completely different game (TF2, to use the earlier example) probably shouldn't get shuffled in under "HL2" when bringing games to your island. It seems like kind of a dumb loophole to sneak in multiple games under one of your ten slots.

So of course your argument trumps mine if we're including all of those. My point was that HL2 was short. It is. By nearly any standard. You changed the criteria by saying that it wasn't, due to mods. I never argued against that. And now you're assuming I don't even know what mods are, despite having referenced them in past posts. Seems a bit presumptive and condescending, no?

We get mods? Woot, then the HL series becomes a viable pick for the island. I happily concede the point, and never actually contested it.

...

As for the first paragraph, being 25 hours isn't what made the last 5 hours worse. The last 5 hours being worse is what made the last 5 hours worse. A game can be 10, 25, 50, 100 hours and be quality throughout or crap throughout. Your argument, framed as it was, equates length with quality, which isn't the case.

1. Gothic

2. Gothic 2

3. Gothic 3

4. Fable: The Lost Chapters

5. Vampires the Masquerade: Bloodlines

6. KOTOR

7. Serious Sam - First and Second Encounter

8. Serious Sam 2

9. N

10. Disciples 2


Would be a bit different if I had Internet and/or fellow players in person

^wow, pc lover

Originally posted by leonheartmm
^wow, pc lover

Yeah, games are no fun without a Mouse.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Of course I've seen "the mod scene." That was never the issue, nor my original point. I was simply arguing that a completely different game (TF2, to use the earlier example) probably shouldn't get shuffled in under "HL2" when bringing games to your island. It seems like kind of a dumb loophole to sneak in multiple games under one of your ten slots.

So of course your argument trumps mine if we're including all of those. My point was that HL2 was short. It is. By nearly any standard. You changed the criteria by saying that it wasn't, due to mods. I never argued against that. And now you're assuming I don't even know what mods are, despite having referenced them in past posts. Seems a bit presumptive and condescending, no?

We get mods? Woot, then the HL series becomes a viable pick for the island. I happily concede the point, and never actually contested it.

...

As for the first paragraph, being 25 hours isn't what made the last 5 hours worse. The last 5 hours being worse is what made the last 5 hours worse. A game can be 10, 25, 50, 100 hours and be quality throughout or crap throughout. Your argument, framed as it was, equates length with quality, which isn't the case.


I'm sorry that I offended you. I just used mods as example that HL and HL 2 have lots of replay value. Alot of those are good quality also. They way I read is that you didnt understand what I was trying to say.

When you said this, "At what point do mods become entirely new games that simply use the same engine? Is TF2 really HL, for example? Can I put Unreal Tournament on my list, and co-op every game that uses the engine? Seems a bit of a non-sensical loophole to me, but yeah I guess it would alter the list somewhat. Most of the examples you mentioned are clearly completely separate, and have only cursory aspects in common." I didnt think you understood me. I was referring to mods that have 1 big thing in common. They all require a HL copy and are completly free that you dl. What I got from your paragraph was that I was talking about games that license an engine but done by a professional studio. If I assumed wrong, than Im sorry but I dont how it could look at it different. For TF2, HL Episodes and Portal, I should of said Orange Box, and not HL2. They were sold as one game, and I looked at is as one game.

And I believe its true when it comes to length in the FPS genre. If you look at what people consider great FPS's, if not all are roughly 10-15 hours long. If a game like COD4 goes over 20 hours, the game will not be as effective than if it was 10 hours because its gets completely tedious.

Desert Island 10 games hmm...

Wii Sports
Kingdom Hearts 2
FFXII
Shadow of the Colossus
Rock Band (w/ every instrument, but using guitar hero guitar and downloads)
GTA IV
MGS4
Zone of Enders: The 2nd Runner
COD4
NHL 08

1. Super Smash Bros Brawl (Wii)
2. Tales of Symphonia (GC)
3. Tetris Attack (SNES)
4. Marvel vs Capcom 2 (PS2)
5. Sonic Battle (GBA)
6. Mario Kart: Double Dash (GC)
7. Yoshi's Story (N64)
8. Advance Guardian Heroes (GBA)
9. Gunstar Future Heroes (GBA)
10. Viewtiful Joe: Red Hot Rumble (GC)

HL2 isn't short at all. 15-25 hours depending on your speed/skill. Above average length for a shooter.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, games are no fun without a Mouse.

Amen to that

Originally posted by Smasandian
I'm sorry that I offended you. I just used mods as example that HL and HL 2 have lots of replay value. Alot of those are good quality also. They way I read is that you didnt understand what I was trying to say.

When you said this, "At what point do mods become entirely new games that simply use the same engine? Is TF2 really HL, for example? Can I put Unreal Tournament on my list, and co-op every game that uses the engine? Seems a bit of a non-sensical loophole to me, but yeah I guess it would alter the list somewhat. Most of the examples you mentioned are clearly completely separate, and have only cursory aspects in common." I didnt think you understood me. I was referring to mods that have 1 big thing in common. They all require a HL copy and are completly free that you dl. What I got from your paragraph was that I was talking about games that license an engine but done by a professional studio. If I assumed wrong, than Im sorry but I dont how it could look at it different. For TF2, HL Episodes and Portal, I should of said Orange Box, and not HL2. They were sold as one game, and I looked at is as one game.

And I believe its true when it comes to length in the FPS genre. If you look at what people consider great FPS's, if not all are roughly 10-15 hours long. If a game like COD4 goes over 20 hours, the game will not be as effective than if it was 10 hours because its gets completely tedious.

Fair enough, and no worries. I got a bit jacked, but know you didn't intend it as insult.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on the rest. I can't stand 10-15 games most of the time. Makes me feel like I'm playing an add-on or something. Regardless of the quality, I'm just kinda like "hell, that's it?" And long-ish games can be excellent throughout their entirety. If a game gets tedious after 15-20 hours, maybe they aren't doing enough to develop a diverse enough game to be truly good, and thus have to hide it with the length. Though one could argue that a game like COD isn't 10-15 hours because of multiplay. That has to be factored in, so it in fact does become more of a 20-50 hours game for most people, like longer single-player titles.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
^wow, pc lover

I find most of the best games are for the PC and the most as well, none of my consoles have more than perhaps 5/6 games I regulary play on them but I have stacks of games for the PC that I go through every so often and mix up combined with mods most PC games can last so much longer than Consoles and be more fun

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Fair enough, and no worries. I got a bit jacked, but know you didn't intend it as insult.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on the rest. I can't stand 10-15 games most of the time. Makes me feel like I'm playing an add-on or something. Regardless of the quality, I'm just kinda like "hell, that's it?" And long-ish games can be excellent throughout their entirety. If a game gets tedious after 15-20 hours, maybe they aren't doing enough to develop a diverse enough game to be truly good, and thus have to hide it with the length. Though one could argue that a game like COD isn't 10-15 hours because of multiplay. That has to be factored in, so it in fact does become more of a 20-50 hours game for most people, like longer single-player titles.

No worries.

If MP is involved, then yes a game could be considered longer, but most people dont think in those terms.

If a developer can make a game of COD4, Crysis, Far Cry and HL2 quality thats 40 hours long. That would be awesome. But I just dont think a developer can create an intriguing game that will always bring something new for 30 hours or more without some sort of gameplay element that takes up that time.

Ubisoft has stated that Far Cry 2 will have over 50 hours of gameplay, but in reality, how much of that is getting to the objective instead of action. (if you didnt know, Far Cry 2 has a massive area to explore).

A game like HL2, where its strictly linear will not have that so at all times, there has to be something going on. If not, it wont be fun.

And your right, its a balance. People complain that COD4 is too short (it is), but they will probalby complain that the 13 to 18 hour to be not as good as the rest. Its bound to happen because its unrealistic to expect a developer to make a thrillride game like COD4 for a constant 20 hours. In the end, people want the game to be longer, but they want it to be longer because they had so much fun with it.

Bioshock is a prime example of this. It was awesome for a very long time, but it tailed off after you meet Ryan because its just more of the same. It's not like they suddenly turned into a bad developer, its just the same and there isnt something to change it up. I compare it to food and how you remember your first and second bite of a dish, but dont remember the rest of it, so the next 20 bites are a complete blur until the very last one.

1)Megaman powered up
2) Timesplitters 3
3) The Orange box
4) Super Smash Bros Brawl
5) Call Of Duty 4
6) LocoRoco
7) Super Mario Galaxy
8) Castlevania The Dracula X Chronicles
9) Oblivion or Marvel Vs. Capcom 2
10) Kingdom Hearts 2

I chose games with a load of replay value for my list.

1- Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of time (N64)
2- Super smash Bros (Gamecube)
3- Baldur's Gate 2; Shadows of Amn + Throne of Bhaal (PC)
4- James Bond; Golden eye (N64)
5- Final fantasy Vi (Nintendo DS remake)
6- Oblivion (PC)
7- Counterstrike; Condition Zero (PC)
8- Warcraft 3 + Frozen Throne (PC)
9- Probably an erotic sex game
10- If I was alone on a deserted island, I'd have World of Warcraft as a desperation tool for human contact, although I've never played it.

1. Marvel vs Capcom 2 (Dreamcast)
2. Shining Force 2 (Megadrive/Genesis)
3. Guardian Heroes (Saturn)
4. WoW (PC)
5. SCIV (PS3)
6. Mega Bomberman (Megadrive/Genesis)
7. EVE Online (PC)
8. Homeworld 2 (PC)
9. Super Smash Bros. Brawl (Wii)
10. Everquest (PC) - Don't play it anymore but it will always be my old fav...and with 14 expansions (15 in October) it should keep me busy for a while!

I'd pick WoW and tell someone to come rescue me?

Originally posted by Mairuzu
I'd pick WoW and tell someone to come rescue me?

You didn't actually read anything other than the thread title, did you.

1. mortal kombat deception

2. gears of war


3. GTA IV

4. GTA SAN ANDREAS

5. street fighter 2

6. double dragon 1-3

7. rain bow 6 vegas

8. scar face the world is yours.

9. mortal kombat II

10. killer instinct

But in all seriousness

(no particular order)

1 Chrono Trigger
2 Chrono Cross
3 FFIX
4 WoW
5 Warhammer online
6 Metal gear solid
7 Metal gear solid 2
8 metal gear solid 3
9 metal gear solid 4
10 final fantasy xi

my top 11 - 20 are


11. ninja gaiden 1 and 2


12. king of fighters


13.street fighter IV

14. def jam vendetta

15. def jam fight for new york

16. dead space

17. marvel vs capcom

18.marvel ultimate alliance

19. star wars k.o.t.o.r

20. star wars k.o.t.o.r II

Originally posted by TazzMission2023
my top 11 - 20 are


11. ninja gaiden 1 and 2


12. king of fighters


13.street fighter IV

14. def jam vendetta

15. def jam fight for new york

16. dead space

17. marvel vs capcom

18.marvel ultimate alliance

19. star wars k.o.t.o.r

20. star wars k.o.t.o.r II

You're only allowed 10. As the first post says. Only games that are out already are allowed. And 'sequels' count as separate games.

Originally posted by Peach
You're only allowed 10. As the first post says. Leave it to the guy that just registered today to screw something so simple up eh?

Originally posted by Peach
You're only allowed 10. As the first post says. Only games that are out already are allowed. And 'sequels' count as separate games.




call me dumb or blind but i read your rules and basicly you didnt detail that todays games are only an option. you may of through the whole xboxlive deal in there but technacly xbox live has brought the old school classics online for purchase. so before you try to make the new guy look bad you might wanna re-read what you wrote when you made the topic. dont take this as an insult

Originally posted by TazzMission2023
call me dumb or blind but i read your rules and basicly you didnt detail that todays games are only an option. you may of through the whole xboxlive deal in there but technacly xbox live has brought the old school classics online for purchase. so before you try to make the new guy look bad you might wanna re-read what you wrote when you made the topic. dont take this as an insult

I didn't say only today's games are allowed. I said only games currently out are allowed. Most of us put old games down.

And I would think that only games out at the moment would be common sense - if you were stranded with just ten games today, then you wouldn't have anything on your list that wasn't yet released!

Originally posted by Peach
I didn't say only today's games are allowed. I said only games currently out are allowed. Most of us put old games down.

And I would think that only games out at the moment would be common sense - if you were stranded with just ten games today, then you wouldn't have anything on your list that wasn't yet released!





just to clear the air i was in L.A and i played the new street fighter at the street fighter fight club. so when i put that on my list i was saying thats a game id bring with. the reason why i posted 11-20 is because i have a lot of favorites. i also got a chance to play a level of dead space and i put that on the 11 - 20 list because its another must have.

Originally posted by TazzMission2023
just to clear the air i was in L.A and i played the new street fighter at the street fighter fight club. so when i put that on my list i was saying thats a game id bring with. the reason why i posted 11-20 is because i have a lot of favorites. i also got a chance to play a level of dead space and i put that on the 11 - 20 list because its another must have.

Well that doesn't matter, now does it?

10 games, that are out at this moment, that are games you could play for the rest of your life with nothing else to choose from.

No if ands or buts about it

Originally posted by Peach
Well that doesn't matter, now does it?

10 games, that are out at this moment, that are games you could play for the rest of your life with nothing else to choose from.




oviously it does matter because your really the only person i see in this thread fussing about it. forgive me for trying to enlightien people with more than a 10 short list

Originally posted by TazzMission2023
oviously it does matter because your really the only person i see in this thread fussing about it. forgive me for trying to enlightien people with more than a 10 short list

I'm saying your excuses don't matter. There are rules to this game, follow them or don't participate.

Originally posted by Peach
I'm saying your excuses don't matter. There are rules to this game, follow them or don't participate.





well maybe if you can be more specific in your thread title than it wouldnt be misleading to the new people like myself. you asked a question i gave you an answer. and upon that i gave another list and no one is forcing you to read what i write. if you dont like what i have to say than either ban me or dont ask for my opinion

???

Originally posted by TazzMission2023
well maybe if you can be more specific in your thread title than it wouldnt be misleading to the new people like myself. you asked a question i gave you an answer. and upon that i gave another list and no one is forcing you to read what i write. if you dont like what i have to say than either ban me or dont ask for my opinion

Um, the entire first post explains what this is. Read more than just the thread title in the future.

Originally posted by Peach
Um, the entire first post explains what this is. Read more than just the thread title in the future.





like i stated i did read it before i posted. and therefor i did post twice and if you dont like what i did than oh well. the point of this argument is everyone knows there isnt just 10 games to live with. you even know that. im just saying when you started this little issue of follow the rules you make it sound like if i just added some stuff that didnt belong. im giving you my side of the argument

Originally posted by TazzMission2023
like i stated i did read it before i posted. and therefor i did post twice and if you dont like what i did than oh well. the point of this argument is everyone knows there isnt just 10 games to live with. you even know that. im just saying when you started this little issue of follow the rules you make it sound like if i just added some stuff that didnt belong. im giving you my side of the argument

You did add stuff that didn't belong, because you did not follow the rules, and no one cares about your side of the argument.

And it's not meant to be an easy list to put together. That's the point. When we did this for real it took most of us about 40 minutes to do.

You're the one who made this into a big argument, not me, so stop the whole "well then oh well" thing.

Guys, this is meant to be fun (I assume)...I don't think we need to have an argument, really, do we?

Originally posted by Peach
You did add stuff that didn't belong, because you did not follow the rules, and no one cares about your side of the argument.

And it's not meant to be an easy list to put together. That's the point. When we did this for real it took most of us about 40 minutes to do.

You're the one who made this into a big argument, not me, so stop the whole "well then oh well" thing.




you say no one cares for my argument but yet your still on the subject. as far as i can tell no one else got involved. now lets see if you post after what i just said

Who needs games when there could be pr0nz!?

1.) Dune 2k.
2.) C&C.
3.) Guild Wars.
4.) DOOM.
5.) GTA.
6.) Overlord.
7.) MOH.
8.) Halo.
9.) GoW.
10.) Time Splitters.


If you can't figure out the Initials, you seriously need to just gtfo.

Originally posted by Barbarossa
Who needs games when there could be pr0nz!?

1.) Dune 2k.
2.) C&C.
3.) Guild Wars.
4.) DOOM.
5.) GTA.
6.) Overlord.
7.) MOH.
8.) Halo.
9.) GoW.
10.) Time Splitters.


If you can't figure out the Initials, you seriously need to just gtfo.

What, no Battlefront? I'm shocked! Considering you play that nearly as much as you do Guild Wars...

GoW can be either God of War or Gears of War.

So HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW!!

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
GoW can be either God of War or Gears of War.

So HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW!!



That was my brother's list. Trust me, it's Gears of War

oh-kay, then.

barb's your brother? Coolio.

Yep, I dragged him onto KMC because of the Matrix RP

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
GoW can be either God of War or Gears of War.

So HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW!!



Indeed.

Originally posted by Peach
What, no Battlefront? I'm shocked! Considering you play that nearly as much as you do Guild Wars...

My interest in BF and BF2 comes and goes.

Dependent on my mood, really.