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Apparantly food prices went up 13.7%.

I don't know if the situation is improving in US, but in the UK it looks as grim as ever.

Meh, Government stealing everyone's money in another way.

As it should.

Who will you be voting for in the next election? On other forums that I frequent many of the British members really drill into Gordon Brown and the Labor Party and to me it seems like their run in office will be coming to and end and Cameron will be taking over..maybe that will help?

Cameron's a dick, but historically, whenever a new guy takes over, it gets better. So logically, every leader should only get one term.

Originally posted by KidRock
Who will you be voting for in the next election? On other forums that I frequent many of the British members really drill into Gordon Brown and the Labor Party and to me it seems like their run in office will be coming to and end and Cameron will be taking over..maybe that will help?

Cameron is gaining a lot of votes. Labour had such a humiliating defeat in Scotland.

Gordon Brown, when he first showed up, he seemed like he knew his stuff, he seemed confident and not a shit talker...

That was then...now he's just failing in a lot of aspects.

Conservatives might get it next election. They got London. Mayor of London is a Conservative.

the thing is that the defeats for labour in Scotland are really just warning shots across the bow...an attempt by voters to shake the labour party into getting a grip of the situation

the problem is that alot of the problems that are swaying the voters are outwith the government's control and there's little Brown can do about it

i've been keeping an eye on the press and media and how they portray Brown and i think alot of it has to do with the fact that he is Scottish...the fleet street press is simply not prepared to accept a Scotsman as leader of the UK...particularly when there is a seperate Scottish devolved government...they are, in effect, hounding him out of office...and even if things were ripe and peachy...he'd still be gettin ridden by the press far more than Tony Blair ever would in the same circumstances

Originally posted by KidRock
Who will you be voting for in the next election? On other forums that I frequent many of the British members really drill into Gordon Brown and the Labor Party and to me it seems like their run in office will be coming to and end and Cameron will be taking over..maybe that will help?

I'll be voting for Clegg.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
I'll be voting for Clegg.

haha...ha

Originally posted by KidRock
Who will you be voting for in the next election? On other forums that I frequent many of the British members really drill into Gordon Brown and the Labor Party and to me it seems like their run in office will be coming to and end and Cameron will be taking over..maybe that will help?

Well, the media really don't give him an easy time- everything he does they criticize...its because they can't stand his accent. Jaden is pretty much correct, even though a few Prime Ministers have been Scottish before, Tony Blair being included.

Scotland has always been Labour's stronghold, however they are loosing it as they did in Glasgow recently...ofcourse it didnt help that the Catholic Church is going after their blood.

If Cameron wins...the UK will fall apart sooo fast it will be tragic.

Originally posted by jaden101
haha...ha

The Lib Dem's policies appeal to me the most...so, why the laughter?

I realise that some people consider it to be throwing a vote away, but I'd rather vote for the party whose policies I somewhat identify with, than not vote at all.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
The Lib Dem's policies appeal to me the most...so, why the laughter?

I realise that some people consider it to be throwing a vote away, but I'd rather vote for the party whose policies I somewhat identify with, than not vote at all.

I think that its because Nick "i've slept with everwoman this side of the channel" Clegg is a complete t i t.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
I think that its because Nick "i've slept with everwoman this side of the channel" Clegg is a complete t i t.

I couldn't care less who he has and hasn't slept with.

Good thing the UK has a good health plan...unlike us Americans...so you guys should be okay.

Didn't the whole Clinton impeachment establish it's okay to have sex with whomever and be a politician?

Besides, Nick Clegg in his summer message made the assertion that voting for Labour is actually throwing your vote away.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
I couldn't care less who he has and hasn't slept with.





On another note, isn't it kind of scummy of a politician to "solicit" sex from someone, especially politicians who hold higher positions of office? On a contradicting "another note", can't we also say that the extreme vast majority of the time, the "sexees" are adults and it really doesn't f***in'* matter what position who holds, they still made the adult decision to sleep with the politician?

*Yes, I did that on purpose.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Well, the media really don't give him an easy time- everything he does they criticize...its because they can't stand his accent. Jaden is pretty much correct, even though a few Prime Ministers have been Scottish before, Tony Blair being included.

Scotland has always been Labour's stronghold, however they are loosing it as they did in Glasgow recently...ofcourse it didnt help that the Catholic Church is going after their blood.

If Cameron wins...the UK will fall apart sooo fast it will be tragic.

i think it's pretty much set in stone now the the tories will win...unless labour do a very negative campaign and use alot of the images from when the tories were last in charge (which they probably will)

as for Blair being Scottish....in so much that he was born in Edinburgh...but pretty much his entire life was lived in England so it's dubious to call him Scottish (although my old boss was the same...born in Scotland but lived all his life in England...and considers himself truly Scottish...it's quite odd watching someone shout in an English accent at the tv...****IN ENGLISH BASTARDS when the football is on)

regardless...even though the tories will get the most votes at the next election...it's going to be a hung parliment




i can respect your ideals...i was the same at the last general election...i voted on my principles even though the party i voted for had no change of winning (even less so in my constituency)

the lib dems may even hold the balance of power at the next election cause they may form a coalition government to avoid a hung parliment....although they say at the moment that they would never do that...we'll see though....power corrupts etc etc

its insane! gas prices rose %15 last year and now they are talking about raising them a further %40.

The ridiculos thing is all these huge companies are making nothin but profit!!! surely they should think about lowering their prices! not making them higher!!!

the povety divide is getting bigger and bigger, the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting worked into a stupor if not they're death beds. the strain on mental health now is bigger and it isnt being addressed, in fact they are with drawing funding to mental health facilities and then they wonder why people are being stabbed and killed in the streets!

the whole country has gone mad and unless the goverment wake up to reality and see exactly how the other half live nothing is going to change for the good.

there will be a major problem.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
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Apparantly food prices went up 13.7%.

I don't know if the situation is improving in US, but in the UK it looks as grim as ever.

What?! You think you're funny because you ****ed off to Canada? You thought you'd makes this post and have a good laugh. Don't you worry Canada will get mad inflation so then we'll see whos laughing! MWHAHAHA!!!!!!!

yeah well dont worry about his arse! think about what you gotta do. apparently the rates havent peaked yet and may not drop until next year!!!!

its ****ing stupid! if the country goes into recession then we are all screwed!

I'm a complete economics noob but I have to call bullshit anytime I come across stuff like this.

Gas prices in the U.S. have dropped a whole lot. About 10 days ago gas was $4.03 in Memphis, but yesterday I saw a pump with $3.41 .

We are all being screwed.

Edit: It is $5.00 + in bigger cities like chicago and los angeles.

Originally posted by Lara
yeah well dont worry about his arse! think about what you gotta do. apparently the rates havent peaked yet and may not drop until next year!!!!

its ****ing stupid! if the country goes into recession then we are all screwed!

That, my lady, is capitalism failure. I gave conferences about that a two years ago, and wasn't taken seriously due to my age (19).

Well, now I get to say I told you so.

I'm joyful because nothing can change. We are tied in a cricle we can no longer be free of. Once everything crumbles, we'll rise again, hoping for a better system. But until then, it's just going to get worst and worst. Those optimistic about any recovery of the capitalism system is either filthy rich, or is a complete imbecile.

I'm not saying I know of a better way. I'm just going to quote Batman; The Dark Knight:

''Things will get alot worst before they get better''. Thank you Alfred.

What is happening in England is normal, it being the most capitalist country in the world. But you're followed closely by the USA and Canada, still ok but not far behind. And when you look at the other countries of the world, you can see all are struggling, either because of their capitalist system, or because they depend on a capitalist country.


Russia will soon laugh their heads off

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
I couldn't care less who he has and hasn't slept with.

He apparently wants you to care...which is why he tells everyone who listens.

If the Conservatives win. Scotish voters will feel isolated and vote SNP in their droves- Alex Salmond will get indepedence.

I mean, though I didn't like the idea at first, I am starting to think maybe "It's Time".

What's SNP?

not too sure myself!

scottish national parliment?

Scottish National Party.

thankyou chill

Declaring independance... did Bjork come and sing in the UK?

Originally posted by Mandos
That, my lady, is capitalism failure. I gave conferences about that a two years ago, and wasn't taken seriously due to my age (19).

Well, now I get to say I told you so.

I'm joyful because nothing can change. We are tied in a cricle we can no longer be free of. Once everything crumbles, we'll rise again, hoping for a better system. But until then, it's just going to get worst and worst. Those optimistic about any recovery of the capitalism system is either filthy rich, or is a complete imbecile.

I'm not saying I know of a better way. I'm just going to quote Batman; The Dark Knight:

''Things will get alot worst before they get better''. Thank you Alfred.

What is happening in England is normal, it being the most capitalist country in the world. But you're followed closely by the USA and Canada, still ok but not far behind. And when you look at the other countries of the world, you can see all are struggling, either because of their capitalist system, or because they depend on a capitalist country.


Russia will soon laugh their heads off

England being the most capitalist country? A-are you crazy? Shouldn't you know something about Capitalism before damning it?

Originally posted by Bardock42
England being the most capitalist country? A-are you crazy? Shouldn't you know something about Capitalism before damning it?

Wanted to prove my point somehow. Who cares if it is or not... probably not... what I say shouldn't be discredited because of this

Originally posted by Mandos
Wanted to prove my point somehow. Who cares if it is or not... probably not... what I say shouldn't be discredited because of this

I think it is discredited by making little sense. Capitalism is an easy target, usually the arguments are horribly stupid and wrong though.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I think it is discredited by making little sense. Capitalism is an easy target, usually the arguments are horribly stupid and wrong though.

True to some extent. Many people bash at capitalism as the devil, sustaining this view with very disturbingly bad arguments. However, let's not protect capitalism. Intelligent people should see what it really is. And the picture isn't pretty. You and I don't know any better, we've been born in this system and are living with it. We got accostomed to it. But that doesn,t mean it's the best. What I did, as you should, just for teh fun of it, is to extract yourself from this corrupted environment, see iot as somebody who does not take part in it. Study it, read, whatever it takes for you to understand the most of it. You may see then what I see now: a disturbed society that will not last long.

Think about it. Making the world better is over now. All the leaders in the world are now fighting to keep it as stable as possible, economically, politically, allmost every aspect. We don't tend to reach further to the light, we just want to keep the system from getting worst. That's why the world in general is losing hope with everything. I'm not going to go in the complicated aspects so that everyone may understand this. You may say all of what I wrote are opinions, I say that we have reached a point where opinions meet facts.

Originally posted by Mandos
What is happening in England is normal, it being the most capitalist country in the world. But you're followed closely by the USA and Canada, still ok but not far behind. And when you look at the other countries of the world, you can see all are struggling, either because of their capitalist system, or because they depend on a capitalist country.

there is no reason to think that the Bank of Canada's controls on inflation can't keep it in a reasonable target range

although yes, according to latest stats it is .10 % higher than target (3.10), and is rising somewhat faster than expected, although this can be attributed almost entirely to fuel costs, as other inflation actually slowed from 1.7 to 1.5 from April to June of this year. With gas like 10 cents cheaper here since june/july, and at the very least stable prices, this should bode very well for inflation in Canada.

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/Economics/Inflation-CPI.aspx?Symbol=CAD

also, just to brag, according to this data, Canada's interest rate is lower than the American dollar, the Euro, the British pound, the australian and new zealand currencies and china. We are tied with the Swiss and behind Japan.

Originally posted by Mandos
True to some extent. Many people bash at capitalism as the devil, sustaining this view with very disturbingly bad arguments. However, let's not protect capitalism. Intelligent people should see what it really is. And the picture isn't pretty. You and I don't know any better, we've been born in this system and are living with it. We got accostomed to it. But that doesn,t mean it's the best. What I did, as you should, just for teh fun of it, is to extract yourself from this corrupted environment, see iot as somebody who does not take part in it. Study it, read, whatever it takes for you to understand the most of it. You may see then what I see now: a disturbed society that will not last long.

Think about it. Making the world better is over now. All the leaders in the world are now fighting to keep it as stable as possible, economically, politically, allmost every aspect. We don't tend to reach further to the light, we just want to keep the system from getting worst. That's why the world in general is losing hope with everything. I'm not going to go in the complicated aspects so that everyone may understand this. You may say all of what I wrote are opinions, I say that we have reached a point where opinions meet facts.

As you may or may not know, I am an anarchist, so, in fact, I do want to change the current system. And that you say we were born into a capitalist system is just ridiculous, their are slight capitalist trades in many western countries (which makes them very succesful), but on the whole at least every European country has strong socialist influences. And the US, though probably being closest to a capitalist society in most ways, still has an incredibly strong corporate socialism to it's government. A truly free market is not available in any western country I know of.

Originally posted by Bardock42
As you may or may not know, I am an anarchist, so, in fact, I do want to change the current system. And that you say we were born into a capitalist system is just ridiculous, their are slight capitalist trades in many western countries (which makes them very succesful), but on the whole at least every European country has strong socialist influences. And the US, though probably being closest to a capitalist society in most ways, still has an incredibly strong corporate socialism to it's government. A truly free market is not available in any western country I know of.

We can decorticate everything to understand every little words, but I trust you've gotten the big picture of my message.

If Scotland goes independent...will the UK lose its seat on the UN Security Council?

(For those who don't know (and I bet there are a few) the UK is made up of Scotland, Northern Ireland, England and Wales, so if Scotland left the UK would still be there and it would not just become England.)

Whales... such a joke.

Originally posted by Mandos
Whales... such a joke.

I hope that was intentional.

lol, partly It's true the best singers come from there... ya...

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
If Scotland goes independent...will the UK lose its seat on the UN Security Council?

(For those who don't know (and I bet there are a few) the UK is made up of Scotland, Northern Ireland, England and Wales, so if Scotland left the UK would still be there and it would not just become England.)
There isn't a concrete reason for them to get kicked off of the Security Council, and it really isn't an issue since Scottish independence is a goal a long time away.

Originally posted by RocasAtoll
Scottish independence is a goal a long time away.

How do you know?

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
If Scotland goes independent...will the UK lose its seat on the UN Security Council?

(For those who don't know (and I bet there are a few) the UK is made up of Scotland, Northern Ireland, England and Wales, so if Scotland left the UK would still be there and it would not just become England.)

Better question is, would Germany get the seat in that case, cause it quite ****ing deserves it.

Because even the SNP has said it would take years to fully transition to an independent state.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Better question is, would Germany get the seat in that case, cause it quite ****ing deserves it.
Well your army is a piece of shit so I don't know what you're complaining about.

Here in Quebec, we face such a situation. Allmost 50% wants independance from Canada, that I bloody hell hope we won't have, for shit would probably start happening.

Originally posted by RocasAtoll
There isn't a concrete reason for them to get kicked off of the Security Council, and it really isn't an issue since Scottish independence is a goal a long time away.

I would be inclined to agree with you, however I can't help but feel that it could come sooner than anyone expects.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Better question is, would Germany get the seat in that case, cause it quite ****ing deserves it.
Your still making up for Hitler I suspect.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
I would be inclined to agree with you, however I can't help but feel that it could come sooner than anyone expects.

From what I've read so far about Scotland and Whales, it wouldn't be at the advantage to declare independance. Stop me if I'm wrong.

But it's a subject I'm inclined to know more of. So if some of you could send me links or explain what there is to gain or to lose, I'd be very much interested.

Originally posted by RocasAtoll

Well your army is a piece of shit so I don't know what you're complaining about.

You just wait, man. You just wait.

Originally posted by Mandos
From what I've read so far about Scotland and Whales, it wouldn't be at the advantage to declare independance. Stop me if I'm wrong.

But it's a subject I'm inclined to know more of. So if some of you could send me links or explain what there is to gain or to lose, I'd be very much interested.

It is Wales, not Whales- the later is a mammal which swims in the sea.

Also, Wales isn't likely to declare independence...ever.

The advantage is umm...well...we could...eerrr...OIL!

(Yes indeed, I suspect it would make very little difference but...well when anyone asks the SNP just shout Oil, as the vast majority of the UKs Oil belongs to Scotland)

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
It is Wales, not Whales- the later is a mammal which swims in the sea.


I still see no difference

Originally posted by Mandos
I still see no difference

Thank God noone in Wales can use a computer...or they would be getting pretty upset at this!

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Thank God noone in Wales can use a computer...or they would be getting pretty upset at this!

I'm sorry. Well, can't blame someone from the other side of the ocean to know in depths UK's problems. Although, thank to you, I no longer confound Wales with a, as an example, sperm whale.

On a more serious tone, why is Wale made fun of that much over there?

Originally posted by Mandos
I'm sorry. Well, can't blame someone from the other side of the ocean to know in depths UK's problems. Although, thank to you, I no longer confound Wales with a, as an example, sperm whale.

On a more serious tone, why is Wale made fun of that much over there?

Because they are a principality not a country.

But isn't Scotland and Ireland too? We don't laugh at them in Canada. But Wales... I mean it's just ridiculous.

Originally posted by Mandos
But isn't Scotland and Ireland too? We don't laugh at them in Canada. But Wales... I mean it's just ridiculous.

England is a country, Ireland is a country and England is a country.

Northern Ireland is more of a province but its still part of a country.

Wales is at the bottom of the pile as its a principality...

In order of precedence I would say it went.

England
Scotland
N.Ireland
Wales

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
England is a country, Ireland is a country and England is a country.

Northern Ireland is more of a province but its still part of a country.

Wales is at the bottom of the pile as its a principality...

In order of precedence I would say it went.

England
Scotland
N.Ireland
Wales

I see. Do you have any links that goes in the depths of the political problem there? It piked my curiosity.

And also, I've heard, there is alot of criminality in Scotland. Stabbing is as such. Should I be careful for my trip there in 2 years?

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
If Scotland goes independent...will the UK lose its seat on the UN Security Council?

(For those who don't know (and I bet there are a few) the UK is made up of Scotland, Northern Ireland, England and Wales, so if Scotland left the UK would still be there and it would not just become England.)

A lot don't know the differance between United Kingdom and Great Britain, as well. Just. Wrong.

Originally posted by Mandos
Here in Quebec, we face such a situation. Allmost 50% wants independance from Canada, that I bloody hell hope we won't have, for shit would probably start happening.

I think people are getting less bothered now, than lets say, few decades ago. Sure a lot want indepednence, but there is a lot of immigration *ahem*, and as far as I understand a lot of immigrants are indifferent to Quebec's cause.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
A lot don't know the differance between United Kingdom and Great Britain, as well. Just. Wrong.

You know, except for the English Queen that comes and poison our lands once or twice a year, most Americans and Canadians (I'll take their defense even though I'm above them) couldn't even point out Ireland on the map. I think it's a shame, but what can you do?

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I think people are getting less bothered now, than lets say, few decades ago. Sure a lot want indepednence, but there is a lot of immigration *ahem*, and as far as I understand a lot of immigrants are indifferent to Quebec's cause.

The debate is mostly the French against everyone else. They want to get respected, and have a voice, yet most of them act and think like retards.

They want independance at all costs, no matter if we get stuck in fecal matters after.

Originally posted by Mandos
You know, except for the English Queen that comes and poison our lands once or twice a year, most Americans and Canadians (I'll take their defense even though I'm above them) couldn't even point out Ireland on the map. I think it's a shame, but what can you do?

Set up a foundation to raise geographical awareness in North America?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Set up a foundation to raise geographical awareness in North America?

Culture these days, you know. It gets lost in translation. Only a few survive.

Originally posted by Mandos
The debate is mostly the French against everyone else. They want to get respected, and have a voice, yet most of them act and think like retards.

They want independance at all costs, no matter if we get stuck in fecal matters after.

I have these same discussions with few people on permanant bases.
Its alright to want liberation and what not, however when I ask, ok so you want independence now, but what about the currency?
They usually mention Canadian Dollar somewhere there.
But then, what makes them think rest of Canada will allow them to use thier currency.
The some would come back with - we'll go for Euro.
Yeah, but will Europe allow.


There are just too many economic factors which some people I spoke to have not even thought of.
Which is a shame, since they should represent their cause in the best most knowoledgable ways, you know.

Originally posted by Mandos
I see. Do you have any links that goes in the depths of the political problem there? It piked my curiosity.

And also, I've heard, there is alot of criminality in Scotland. Stabbing is as such. Should I be careful for my trip there in 2 years?
Yes you should be.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
A lot don't know the differance between United Kingdom and Great Britain, as well. Just. Wrong.
Well, if we get rid of Northern Ireland we will go back to being Great Britain.

Originally posted by Mandos
You know, except for the English Queen that comes and poison our lands once or twice a year, most Americans and Canadians (I'll take their defense even though I'm above them) couldn't even point out Ireland on the map. I think it's a shame, but what can you do?
She's not English.

Originally posted by Mandos
The debate is mostly the French against everyone else. They want to get respected, and have a voice, yet most of them act and think like retards.

They want independance at all costs, no matter if we get stuck in fecal matters after.

The separatist PQ lost the last provincial elections though, didn't they?

and they had held it for a long time...

but then there was that Paul McCartney at the bicentennial hullabaloo

Originally posted by inimalist
The separatist PQ lost the last provincial elections though, didn't they?

and they had held it for a long time...

but then there was that Paul McCartney at the bicentennial hullabaloo

Oh my god, the parlamentary discussion about Paul McCartney.
Hahaha.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I have these same discussions with few people on permanant bases.
Its alright to want liberation and what not, however when I ask, ok so you want independence now, but what about the currency?
They usually mention Canadian Dollar somewhere there.
But then, what makes them think rest of Canada will allow them to use thier currency.
The some would come back with - we'll go for Euro.
Yeah, but will Europe allow.


There are just too many economic factors which some people I spoke to have not even thought of.
Which is a shame, since they should represent their cause in the best most knowoledgable ways, you know.

I'm presently working in a law firm. And I sometimes see stuff that should put all means of independancy to a stop, yet it continues... tragic.

Originally posted by inimalist
The separatist PQ lost the last provincial elections though, didn't they?

and they had held it for a long time...

but then there was that Paul McCartney at the bicentennial hullabaloo

ADQ came as the second in command. They're all loonies, and will get removed during the next election. But we don't have good choices here, it's either PQ (bad) and PLQ (just as bad). No one really wants to vot for either one.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Oh my god, the parlamentary discussion about Paul McCartney.
Hahaha.

Please... (hides face, ashamed)

Originally posted by Bardock42
You just wait, man. You just wait.
I wouldn't try it man. I wouldn't. Gonna get Democratized if you do.

Originally posted by Mandos
Please... (hides face, ashamed)

Aww, don't be.

I'm sure noone will be subjected to that level of sillyness again.
And if that does happen, whoever sees the sillyness first must streak down St Laurent waving a Canadian flag.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
England is a country, Ireland is a country and England is a country.

Northern Ireland is more of a province but its still part of a country.

Wales is at the bottom of the pile as its a principality...

In order of precedence I would say it went.

England
Scotland
N.Ireland
Wales That just made me realise that each country's name begines with NESW, North East South West, Never Eat Shredded Wheat, Never Ever Support Wednesdays, etc

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav

The advantage is umm...well...we could...eerrr...OIL!

(Yes indeed, I suspect it would make very little difference but...well when anyone asks the SNP just shout Oil, as the vast majority of the UKs Oil belongs to Scotland)

hmmm...that's dubious though because there isn't any defined Scottish waters and English waters...chances are it would be the English government at Westiminster that drew up the boundaries and the chances are they'd shaft Scotland to put as much of the oil fields in English water before the break up of the UK

not only that...it's all dependant on where the headquarters of the companies drilling the oil are based which is where the tax benefits eventually go

take this image...my guess is the English government would sequester everything sounth of the dual pipeline

http://www.energyinst.org.uk/education/natural/images/fields.gif

There are rules established by international convention for what waters belong to whom. ..Westminster would have no say.

Originally posted by jaden101
hmmm...that's dubious though because there isn't any defined Scottish waters and English waters...chances are it would be the English government at Westiminster that drew up the boundaries and the chances are they'd shaft Scotland to put as much of the oil fields in English water before the break up of the UK

not only that...it's all dependant on where the headquarters of the companies drilling the oil are based which is where the tax benefits eventually go

take this image...my guess is the English government would sequester everything sounth of the dual pipeline

http://www.energyinst.org.uk/education/natural/images/fields.gif There's no such thing as an English government.

Originally posted by lord xyz
There's no such thing as an English government.

"Oh, I'm sorry. We would have accepted 'What is the British, UK, or Her Majesty's Government'."

Originally posted by lord xyz
There's no such thing as an English government.

in the event of the UK breaking up there will be...

there's also the rather silly idea of local English governments

Originally posted by jaden101
in the event of the UK breaking up there will be...

there's also the rather silly idea of local English governments What is "local english governments"?

Originally posted by dadudemon
"Oh, I'm sorry. We would have accepted 'What is the British, UK, or Her Majesty's Government'." Originally posted by lord xyz
You're retarded.

English, Local Governments.

I think England should have local government, or atleast have the same kind of government Scotland has. Either an English parliament, or parliaments in different regions of Britain, (not the 9 regions, more like 4 or 5)

I think, federalization might work.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
I think, federalization might work. Why wouldn't it?

Originally posted by lord xyz
Why wouldn't it?

Well, as seen with devolution it could spur individual national identities of the member nations, leading to the break up of the Union.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Well, as seen with devolution it could spur individual national identities of the member nations, leading to the break up of the Union. Germany seems to hold up pretty well.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Germany seems to hold up pretty well.

Thats true, but then again the UK isn't Germany is it.

Originally posted by lord xyz
What is "local english governments"?

proposals for a separate devolved government for the north of England....

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Thats true, but then again the UK isn't Germany is it. Yeah, but we're not all that different, really.

Originally posted by jaden101
proposals for a separate devolved government for the north of England.... Why is that a silly idea?

Originally posted by lord xyz
Yeah, but we're not all that different, really.

Why is that a silly idea?

i personally thought a devolved scottish government was a stupid idea because the simple fact is we dont need all these layers of government

we have at the bottom of the pile the local council government...then a Scottish parliment with some devolved powers...then a UK government that still has most of the meaningful power over local issues...then a European government that can implement the largest changes to law in the UK as a whole...and then the united nations deciding about matters of international law...

more beauracracy isn't ever justifiable anymore...and even less so when they propose devolved and seperate parliments for seperate areas of the same country...which will still be governed over at a central level in a UK parliment

we've already got the ridiculous situation where members of the UK government representing Scottish constituencies can vote on issues that will only effect English constituencies because the issue they are able to vote on is a power that has been devolved to the Scottish parliment of which they are not a member...and example of someone who is able to do that is the prime minister himself because he represents Dunfermline

Personally, the only problem I have is people's power to vote on matters that affect other people. Now, if Westminster had a system that only those a law affects gets to vote, then all would be fine, but that's not mainstream enough.

I'm still infavour of a federative system, those in Yorkshire have their laws and government, and those in Cornwall have their laws and government etc etc. Westminster would still be around ofcourse whenever an issue considered the country as a whole, for example, war.

On a completely unrelated topic, I'm listening to waller fm, and it is great.

Originally posted by jaden101
because he represents Dunfermline

Ummm...no he doesn't...my MP is Willie Rennie thanks very much.

Theres not alot that can be done about inflation, but what really gets me angry is MPs still expecting a payrise.
Even when they are in the best position to know the state of the country.