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Yeah he did, case closed.

I care not about the 2000 election but the 2004 election had a record amount of errors in history. States like NM, IO, OH, FL and NV were Kerry in the exit polls, then they flipped. PA and NH were heavily Democratic, yet were pushed to being close. Dennis Kucinich, Ralph Nader and others said there was clear voter disenfranchment, in 200X (not sure of when but sometime after the election) there was evidence that the voting machines used in Ohio, Florida, etc had been programmed to steal votes.

Gore sucked anyway.

I don't blame Bush himself, I blame Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris (purging voter rolls), Ralph Nader (margin of victory: 537 votes. Nader got 97,421 votes. More than 2/3s of those would have gone to Gore if Nader hadn't run), and, you know, Al Gore (even though he should have won, he made some pretty dumb moves).

I wouldn't go so far as to say he stole the election; I'd simply say he stole it better. There are huge numbers of lawsuits, complaints, accusations and interventions by unqualified groups involved in the 2000 Florida elections as well as in a huge number of other nationwide elections. This trend was repeated in the 2004 elections, but recieved far less coverage than those incidents in the 2000 elections. And there were even a number of the same claims made after the 2006 mid-terms. These accusations were leveled against both Democrats and Republicans, and often times both in the same state. What I would hope is that this issue wasn't turned into a partisan issue, but become a national issue. This is not a party matter, it's an issue that involves those getting elected vs those who do the electing. It's a crisis for the people and the process, not the two parties.

No, Gore got more votes.

Clearly Bush won.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election%2C_1876
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1824
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1888

Originally posted by Strangelove
I don't blame Bush himself, I blame Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris (purging voter rolls), Ralph Nader (margin of victory: 537 votes. Nader got 97,421 votes. More than 2/3s of those would have gone to Gore if Nader hadn't run), and, you know, Al Gore (even though he should have won, he made some pretty dumb moves).

I forgot about Nader. That was the single biggest divide. Had he not ran, things would be alot different right now.Originally posted by Devil King
I wouldn't go so far as to say he stole the election; I'd simply say he stole it better. There are huge numbers of lawsuits, complaints, accusations and interventions by unqualified groups involved in the 2000 Florida elections as well as in a huge number of other nationwide elections. This trend was repeated in the 2004 elections, but recieved far less coverage than those incidents in the 2000 elections. And there were even a number of the same claims made after the 2006 mid-terms. These accusations were leveled against both Democrats and Republicans, and often times both in the same state. What I would hope is that this issue wasn't turned into a partisan issue, but become a national issue. This is not a party matter, it's an issue that involves those getting elected vs those who do the electing. It's a crisis for the people and the process, not the two parties. DK wins the thread.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
DK wins the thread.

I wouldn't say I won the thread. I don't subscribe to the idea that just because both partie's members have been accused that it makes the terrible descisions and horrendous abuse of position and power for which this President and his administration are responsible, just go away. It's not an even stevens kind of situation.

And I'm not excusing any of the terrible decisions or abuse of positions.

I just wanted to see if people really believed that old "and by the way...Bush STOLE the election!" nonsense that has been thrown about for years.

But yeah, we've got other bigger problems to worry about.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
And I'm not excusing any of the terrible decisions or abuse of positions.

I just wanted to see if people really believed that old "and by the way...Bush STOLE the election!" nonsense that has been thrown about for years.

But yeah, we've got other bigger problems to worry about. Like McCain/Obama stealing the election?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah he did, case closed.

Originally posted by Strangelove
Ralph Nader (margin of victory: 537 votes. Nader got 97,421 votes. More than 2/3s of those would have gone to Gore if Nader hadn't run), yea, stupid third parties..

Gore only won popular vote. Electoral College ftw lolz.

Gore lost every bellwether minus Deleware.

Doesn't matter. Everyone would be bitching with Gore and KErry the same way they are about Bush.
All three sucked. The end.

Originally posted by Toku King
Doesn't matter. Everyone would be bitching with Gore and KErry the same way they are about Bush.
All three sucked. The end.

Exactly.

Actually, I liked Kerry.

Originally posted by KidRock
http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj203/Skoalbandit77/105nwbd.gif omg that is some funny shit


That's not funny.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Since then, liberals continue to make bogus claims that Bush stole the election, a claim conservatives would equally have made had Gore won.

irregardless of what happened, I'm glad this can be agreed upon

Originally posted by inimalist
Regardless of what happened, I'm glad this can be agreed upon I fixed it for you.

Originally posted by lord xyz
I fixed it for you.

You really are such a little prick. You go around correcting peoples posts, when I've seen you make so many glaring errors before - by being naive, arrogant and just downright stupid.

Maybe you should forget about grammar for a bit and focus on knowledge, as you certainly lack it.

Stop correcting people for honest mistakes, who are leagues above you in intelligence.

Hehe, xyz is the Nemo of intelligence.

"Steal" is such an ugly word... it's only "stealing" of you get caught, right?

Originally posted by Blinky
"Steal" is such an ugly word... it's only "stealing" of you get caught, right?

Then stealing would be the right word. What you are probably trying to say is "It's only stealing if you get punished".

Originally posted by Bardock42
Then stealing would be the right word. What you are probably trying to say is "It's only stealing if you get punished".

Who caught him? As far as I know every body saw what happened then just turned away as if nothing happened. Ultimately that is what occurred.

Originally posted by Blinky
Who caught him? As far as I know every body saw what happened then just turned away as if nothing happened. Ultimately that is what occurred.

Well, it was just a cheeky remark on him being "caught" as in people knowing that he did it, but nothing happening to him regardless. Don't worry. Proceed.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
You really are such a little prick. You go around correcting peoples posts, when I've seen you make so many glaring errors before - by being naive, arrogant and just downright stupid.

Maybe you should forget about grammar for a bit and focus on knowledge, as you certainly lack it.

Stop correcting people for honest mistakes, who are leagues above you in intelligence. I've never said irregardless, but did you have to go all emotional like that? Everyone else does shit like that.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Hehe, xyz is the Nemo of intelligence. Nemo?

Originally posted by lord xyz
I fixed it for you.

actually, that was intentional

rest assured my browser has a spell check, and your services are not required

EDIT: irregardless is a fun word everyone should be using:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irregardless

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
You really are such a little prick. You go around correcting peoples posts, when I've seen you make so many glaring errors before - by being naive, arrogant and just downright stupid.

Maybe you should forget about grammar for a bit and focus on knowledge, as you certainly lack it.

Stop correcting people for honest mistakes, who are leagues above you in intelligence. damn

Originally posted by inimalist
actually, that was intentional

rest assured my browser has a spell check, and your services are not required

EDIT: irregardless is a fun word everyone should be using:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irregardless My bad. I didn't realise the joke.

Originally posted by lord xyz
I've never said irregardless, but did you have to go all emotional like that? Everyone else does shit like that.

Yes, but everyone else (or almost) post something interesting once in a while.

Originally posted by lord xyz

Nemo?

http://www.disegnigratis.biz/Clipart_Disney/Alla%20ricerca%20di%20Nemo/nemo_4.jpg

Everyone else doesn't run around playing grammar-police, it's only a handful of people, which of those, the majority are hypocritical idiots who make mistakes themselves.

Originally posted by Robtard
http://www.disegnigratis.biz/Clipart_Disney/Alla%20ricerca%20di%20Nemo/nemo_4.jpg Yeah...no.

Originally posted by Robtard
http://www.disegnigratis.biz/Clipart_Disney/Alla%20ricerca%20di%20Nemo/nemo_4.jpg Never watched that film.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Yes, but everyone else (or almost) post something interesting once in a while. As do I, you just don't realise it.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a7/Nemo_s_death.jpg/382px-Nemo_s_death.jpg

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a7/Nemo_s_death.jpg/382px-Nemo_s_death.jpg

Yeah...yeah.

Innit.

for those who are interested there's a new documentary coming out

http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/stealingamericavotebyvote/

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah...no.

Was being an ass. I know you were going with the anti-intelligence angle.

Originally posted by lord xyz
As do I, you just don't realise it.

Are you trying to say that your posts are too esoteric for me to understand?

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Are you trying to say that your posts are too esoteric for me to understand?


*Crowd goes Ooooooooo*

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Are you trying to say that your posts are too esoteric for me to understand? lol, but really I was saying I make good posts once in a while as well, you just don't pay attention to those.

You should PM Chilly a link whenever you make one of those post.

Please, please don't, xyz. I think I know what the sort of posts you're talking about - they're nothing special, sorry to break it to you this way, I'm sure you're crushed.

Why would I be crushed? Your opinion means shit to me.

That hurt, man.

Aww, I'm sorry, lets make amends.