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End of Series for both, fight in an open stadium.

If it's the end of the series, doesn't matter which one, then Anakin has become Vader.

Harry isn't going to beat Vader. I say Anakin wins hands down.

I don't do threads like these anymore.

Anakin owns Harry. Force choke and lightsaber pwn hogwarts magic.

So this is RotS Anakin? I would say he wins. Saber Throw ftw.

Indeed. This is one sided.

I think I got whiplash...

Unfortunetly, dumbass Annie wins this, he overpowers with his powers and skills, though they both cry and whine.

if vader force chokes him he cant utter spells

potter turns anakin into a toad and then squashes him.

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
potter turns anakin into a toad and then squashes him.

Hahaha, take that society!

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
potter turns anakin into a toad and then squashes him.

Or so he believes... When in fact it was just an illusion created by Anakin's Jedi Mindtrick. Anakin disillusions Pothead just so he can see the last moments of his life past by as a lightsaber slashes across his head.

Potter is distracted by a horse which sexually arouses him so in this moment vader picks him up and throws him down a giant hole that's in everything ever in star wars.
(threw the link in for those who didn't get the reference...)

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
End of Series for both, fight in an open stadium.

Are you talkin Anakin in Phantom Menace or Anakin in Attack of the Clones?

I'm going for Anakin.

Seriously... the only reason why Harry Potter is so 'special' is because some nutty female predicted a boy who will be destined to destroy Voldy.

Voldy ****s up, doesnt hear the whole thing, gets messed by his own spell... takes a lot of years before he regains human form... and as he plans to kill the boy, Dumbledore goes ala Batman and preps Potter to 'win' miraculously against the Dark Lord.

I'll take Misguided Evil Dude over Lucky Kid anytime.

Anakin destroys him from head to toe.

Harry's only chance is for Hermione to somehow seduce Anakin by showing him those bikini pics...

Little annie vs little potter lol

Will Expelliarmus work on Annie? If Harry tries to relieve him of his saber?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Will Expelliarmus work on Annie? If Harry tries to relieve him of his saber? Does it matter? With a gesture Anakin can throw Potter face first into a wall, snapping his neck.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Does it matter? With a gesture Anakin can throw Potter face first into a wall, snapping his neck. Oh I know, I was just curious.

But can Anakin block force attacks with Protego? So many questions...

Can who do huh?

Protego. Blocking spell. It can block magic, so, the question is- can it block force attacks?

But Anakin doesn't use protego......look at what you typed

*blows brains out*

Did I get high? I can never tell...

Originally posted by Master Crimzon
Protego. Blocking spell. It can block magic, so, the question is- can it block force attacks?
If it's not magic, then the answer is no.

Yup. Force/Magic, two different things.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
If it's not magic, then the answer is no. But magic is the only thing that has been thrown at it, so we honestly cannot say.

It's speculation either way.

Well, theoretically, it would be possible for Anakin's not-too-amazing force push to be countered by Harry utilizing a similar force (like Reducto, if I'm not mistaken) in order to, basically, make Anakin's force push completely useless. Or, maybe Protego can block it. Or, maybe not...

To be honest, though, I can't see Anakin winning unless he gets up close and hacks Harry to pieces. He's good- but Harry's arsenal of spells, such as the non-verbal levicorpus and deadlier spells like Sectusempra- leave Anakin virtually defenseless, considering that Anakin never displayed any amazing talent in force abilities, so, unlike people like Yoda, he'll have a more difficult times forming a defense against Harry's magic attacks. Or, Anakin could use expelliarmus, and disarm Anakin.

This all depends whether or not Harry can block Anakin's force attacks. If he can't, Anakin can take this (easily).

uh....harry does have the one spell...all he has todo is think it and t causes the opponent to be slashed by an unknown force multiple times

Originally posted by Placidity
Or so he believes... When in fact it was just an illusion created by Anakin's Jedi Mindtrick. Anakin disillusions Pothead just so he can see the last moments of his life past by as a lightsaber slashes across his head.

jedi's are so cool

Originally posted by Master Crimzon
Well, theoretically, it would be possible for Anakin's not-too-amazing force push to be countered by Harry utilizing a similar force (like Reducto, if I'm not mistaken) in order to, basically, make Anakin's force push completely useless. Or, maybe Protego can block it. Or, maybe not...

To be honest, though, I can't see Anakin winning unless he gets up close and hacks Harry to pieces. He's good- but Harry's arsenal of spells, such as the non-verbal levicorpus and deadlier spells like Sectusempra- leave Anakin virtually defenseless, considering that Anakin never displayed any amazing talent in force abilities, so, unlike people like Yoda, he'll have a more difficult times forming a defense against Harry's magic attacks. Or, Anakin could use expelliarmus, and disarm Anakin.

This all depends whether or not Harry can block Anakin's force attacks. If he can't, Anakin can take this (easily). Anakin Force Crushes ftw.

Originally posted by Master Crimzon
Well, theoretically, it would be possible for Anakin's not-too-amazing force push to be countered by Harry utilizing a similar force (like Reducto, if I'm not mistaken) in order to, basically, make Anakin's force push completely useless. Or, maybe Protego can block it. Or, maybe not...

To be honest, though, I can't see Anakin winning unless he gets up close and hacks Harry to pieces. He's good- but Harry's arsenal of spells, such as the non-verbal levicorpus and deadlier spells like Sectusempra- leave Anakin virtually defenseless, considering that Anakin never displayed any amazing talent in force abilities, so, unlike people like Yoda, he'll have a more difficult times forming a defense against Harry's magic attacks. Or, Anakin could use expelliarmus, and disarm Anakin.

This all depends whether or not Harry can block Anakin's force attacks. If he can't, Anakin can take this (easily).

Any of Harry's attacks that are tangible, I.E., they can be seen and such, can be avoided. It doesn't work the same way for Harry though.

Yeah. Anakin just by being super duper angry and sad was Force Crushing steel and shit, Harry's ribcage is weaker than steel.

Anakin yelled Dooku's name in a warehouse or something and the roof collapsed.

...Really?

Yeah. Anakin really doesn't dick around sometimes.

Anakin dicked around with Obi-Wan in that Room of Mysteries(whatever the fvck it is called) from what I hear.

Room of mysteries? What planet is it on?

...I have no idea.

I was actually referencing something you said.

It was asking what kinda gay sumthin was.

You said,"Is it Lord of the Rings, happy gay, or Anakin and Obi-Wan spending a week in the Room of Mysteries gay?"

You figure it out.

Oh... I think I made that up then.

"Room of Mysteries" is something I'd say to reinforce the gay image.

Anakin force rapes potter

Big time.

Just a question...

All says that (rots movie?) Anakin defeats Potter (that will be illustrated in the 7 film?) have that anakin used any kind of force based attacks other then grip and push/pull?

Well, Blax, Levicorupus is non-verbal (thus giving Anakin no indication of when it will happen), as is Sectusempra; you just aim your wand at some, slash it, and cut up the other guy. No beam or anything. Not all of Harry's spells are visible.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Just a question...

All says that (rots movie?) Anakin defeats Potter (that will be illustrated in the 7 film?) have that anakin used any kind of force based attacks other then grip and push/pull? He used Force Crush when he was given the suit.

Yup, he got pretty pissed and just demolished a bunch of droids, all of which are made of metal of course.

EDIT- Though if we're only using feats from the movies, then I'm assuming that Harry only get's his feats from the movies as well, right?

Saber throw, people. But it wasnt shown in the movie.

It was shown in RotJ... matter of fact it was Anakin who did it, techncially.

I thought we were talking ROTS Annie. That was Vader.

Well... I'm assuming that the man can toss his lightsaber just as well then as he could as Vader. He does it in one of the Clone Wars comics, though that doesn't count for this thread.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
He used Force Crush when he was given the suit.

Oh yes that is right.



Not sure actually, the threadstarter said at the end of both series, so I take it that for Potter that would be the latest Book thus we can take the spells he uses there, however for Anakin (Vader?) his serie has definitely ended.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
He used Force Crush when he was given the suit. no that was vader

DUde, does it really matter? He was Anakin two whole hours before. I really don't think he became that much more powerful in the course of two whole fecking hours. Anything Anakin did in RotS counts as a feat for him, regardless of either he did it in or out of his suit.



Well, if Harry's books are going to be used then I think EU books should be used as well.

What I suggest are the one (possibly two) last books based, on that the thread starter said at the end of the series, since harry has yet to make his final apperance in the cinemas. Vader to my knowlegde has made all his apperances in the movies his serie has ended so to speak Harry hasn't.

And I'm still a bit confused is this Anakin in the armor ore Anakin without?

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
DUde, does it really matter? He was Anakin two whole hours before. I really don't think he became that much more powerful in the course of two whole fecking hours. Anything Anakin did in RotS counts as a feat for him, regardless of either he did it in or out of his suit.



Well, if Harry's books are going to be used then I think EU books should be used as well. thats when he became darth vader a dark sith, I put anakin skywalker and not darth vader for a reason

He was a dark sith before he became Vader. He became a dark sith when chopped off mace Windu's arms and watched him get tossed out a window. So... even when he was regular old Anakin he was still a dark sider.

Why not just say light side RotS Anakin?

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
DUde, does it really matter? He was Anakin two whole hours before. I really don't think he became that much more powerful in the course of two whole fecking hours. Anything Anakin did in RotS counts as a feat for him, regardless of either he did it in or out of his suit.



Well, if Harry's books are going to be used then I think EU books should be used as well. forum rules, baby.

My point was that it's nonsensical to assume that Anakin doesn't have certain abilities because he used them a whole two hours afterwords. It's not like he grew any stronger. It's perfectly logical to assume that he could use force crush as suited Vader in RotS he could use force crush outside the suit as long as it's his RotS incarnation.

I agree with you, but unfortunately we can only go with what is seen onscreen.

Yes, we can only use movie canon here. If Anakin Skywalker, not Darth Vader, did not use a light saber throw in episodes II & III, then we cannot use this scenario.

And please don't argue semantics with me that "Vader is Anakin" and whatnot.

Vader is NOT Anakin, as we all know.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I agree with you, but unfortunately we can only go with what is seen onscreen.

He did do it on-screen, in RotS with the medical droids.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Vader is NOT Anakin, as we all know.

Biologically, yes. Mentally, no, IMO.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
He did do it on-screen, in RotS with the medical droids.

I really don't remember, to be honest. It's been a while since I've watched it. I really disliked the Prequel Trilogy.

I think we might be talking two different things.

I think RJ is referring to the saber throw, while I am, as of the last few posts of mine, referring to the force crush Anakin does in Rots. He's in his suit for the first time, a couple hours after the Mustafar battle, and he learns that Padme' died and he gets pissed and shit all around the room starts to explode.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
I think we might be talking two different things.

I think RJ is referring to the saber throw, while I am, as of the last few posts of mine, referring to the force crush Anakin does in Rots. He's in his suit for the first time, a couple hours after the Mustafar battle, and he learns that Padme' died and he gets pissed and shit all around the room starts to explode.

Ah, well, then that explains it.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
I think we might be talking two different things.

I think RJ is referring to the saber throw, while I am, as of the last few posts of mine, referring to the force crush Anakin does in Rots. He's in his suit for the first time, a couple hours after the Mustafar battle, and he learns that Padme' died and he gets pissed and shit all around the room starts to explode. At that point he is Vader, not Anakin.

Could one argue that, while wearing his new bionic suit, that it is still Anakin Skywalker who cries out in anguish and uses the force smash?

I mean, he did just wake up after being re-assembled and such.

Darth Vader, the persona, might have taken time to establish while the last remnants of Anakin diminished.

Could this be argued?

He was Vader the moment he accepts Sidious's tutelage, back when he chopped off Maces arm.

......................I have to agree with you on that. I really do.

Like I said: I haven't watched the PT in years, since I disliked it so much.

ugh, anakin = good, vader = bad put rather simply. if I wanted evi lI wouldve said vader once again. Anakin can use all the skills he had when he was good

So all of the skills he displayed up to the point where he relieved Mace of his arm then.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
So all of the skills he displayed up to the point where he relieved Mace of his arm then. i would think all of the skills until he was dubbed darth vader

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
So all of the skills he displayed up to the point where he relieved Mace of his arm then.

I would say yes. We need to get the opinions of others, though, just to be unanimous.

Opinions why? Its a fact, man. He ceased being Anakin Skywalker and became Darth Vader, to quote Obi Wan.

The quote also ended with "from a certain point of view". PoV's can't be used in debates.

Irregardless, it'd be much easier to just say lightside Anakin or Dark Side Anakin.

Wait, wait, wait.


The whole "Light side Anny"/"Dark Side Anny" is even more confusing.

When he cut Maces arm away, he went over fully to the dark side, he was no longer Jedi, he was Sith. The Jedi in him died, as did Anakin.

Would you argue that this is, in fact, indisputable, John? I, as a matter of fact agree.

To me? Yes, it is indisputable. Thats just me, though.

Hmmmm. We still have to be diplomatic about this.

I am all for diplomacy, but you cannot dispute that Anakin ceased being a Jedi and accepted Sith tutelage, becoming Darth Vader.

I am far too lazy to bother arguing anything today. Throw RJ his bone, tomorrow there shall be bloodshed!

*Shakes fist in RJ's general direction*

Just saying my POV, baby.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
At that point he is Vader, not Anakin.

That would assume that he somehow just gained the "uber" (lack of a better word) powers the moment he went evil, since Sidious didn't train him at all in the time between him turning evil and doning the Vader suit. Which is a nonsense assumption.

He must have had those powers before, unless there's some SW written rule that once a Jedi turns to the dark, he/she suddenly gains new powers?

...no arguing Light-side anakin, statd by moi the thread started, there we go

If this is Light Side Annie, Force Crush is out of the question then, it simply would not be in Annie's character, it is a Dark Side power.

But he can still Force Push ftw.

Originally posted by Robtard
That would assume that he somehow just gained the "uber" (lack of a better word) powers the moment he went evil, since Sidious didn't train him at all in the time between him turning evil and doning the Vader suit. Which is a nonsense assumption.

He must have had those powers before, unless there's some SW written rule that once a Jedi turns to the dark, he/she suddenly gains new powers? Sure, Annie had the potential throughout ROTS to use these powers, but they are of the dark side, therefore the Jedi, who abide by a strict code, cannot use them.

Didn't Mace use force crush on General Grievous? The whole crushing of his chest plates bit?

Yeah, Mace also uses Vapaad, which channels his dark side personality into strength.

Mace is the closest you can get to the dark side without actually being a Sith.

True words.

So what again would stop Anakin from using these powers if Jedi can and do use them?

Originally posted by Robtard
So what again would stop Anakin from using these powers if Jedi can and do use them? Mace was far more experienced than Anakin, he was able to use dark side powers without actually crossing over. Anakin is not capable of this.

Mace was an exception to the rule.

****ing racist pig.

Reported.

Anakin even while he was a Jedi used anger and rage to give him "focus" during battles, which are undoubtedly the characteristics of a sith.

Anyway, what is the specific debate here? When Anakin became Darth Vader?

Well, IMO, Anakin has always gone down hill since he killed the Sand People and has slowly but surely been turning to the dark side.

To me being a Sith or called a "Darth" is just a simple name for force users who are "evil".

Afterall, Windu is able to access Dark side abilities yet he isnt a Sith because he is "good".

Originally posted by Placidity
Anakin even while he was a Jedi used anger and rage to give him "focus" during battles, which are undoubtedly the characteristics of a sith. Yes, he tapped into the dark side from time to time, but when he killed Mace, he pledged himself to darkness and accepted Sith tutelage.

Thats where the debate is at this moment, yes.

Indeed.

There's more to it, Sith is a traditional way of being, as is Jedi.

Experienced, better able to know when to cut off the connection, how far to take it.

Here's just some snippets on Vapaad to help those non-Star Wars nerds.

Vaapad bordered on the edge of falling to the dark side, as it channeled one's enjoyment of fighting into the attack. Only Windu's mastery and concentration on the light side prevented him from succumbing to his own anger, which is why Vaapad was rarely practiced and very dangerous. As noted above, the only other known practitioners of Vaapad, Sora Bulq and Depa Billaba both fell to the dark side of the Force. Darth Maul, a Sith Lord who appeared to have mastered Juyo, was so immersed in the dark side, yet so much in control of his anger that he could employ his own deadly variant of Juyo without fear...

... With that said, Vaapad was not just a fighting style. It was a state of mind and a power. The state of mind required that a user of Vaapad allow themselves to gather thrill from a battle. The power of Vaapad was simple: it was a channel for one's inner darkness; and it was a reflecting device. With strict control, a Jedi's own emotions and inner darkness could be changed into a weapon of the light.

Vaapad was also described as "a superconducting loop," with the user on one end and the opponent on the other. It was able to take the powers of the opponent and reflect it back at them. In his fight with Palpatine, Mace Windu used the Chancellor's own speed and hatred against him, reflecting it back against the Sith Lord and using it as his own power. Also, when Palpatine unleashed his Force lightning on Windu, the Jedi was able to use his lightsaber, with the power of Vaapad, to reflect the lightning back at him.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Form_VII:_Juyo_/_Vaapad

Experience and wisdom enables Mace to tap into the dark side, as I said.

This is soo mean to Harry. Anakin will break his wand by Force, and cut him up with his light saber.

Anyone who answers Harry Potter is deluded. Everyone in the HP universe is seriously underpowered when compared to any other story involving magic.

um.........ok.

Potter's Jedi Killing record is unproven.

Skywalker's child killing record is strong.

Indeed. ****ing child abuser.

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
Anyone who answers Harry Potter is deluded. Everyone in the HP universe is seriously underpowered when compared to any other story involving magic.

Well, i really don't know what point you're trying to make. Are you saying, that out of every story and movie that involves magic, the magic displayed in the Harry Potter universe is the weakest? If so, you're very wrong.

I'll prove it...,
Lord of the Rings

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Potter's Jedi Killing record is unproven.

Skywalker's child killing record is strong.

See, i think Potter would embarrass Anakin but then you bust out with something like that and change my entire way of thinking

IF the actors'd fight each other, then David Prowse (Vader's actor) would win since he has a fake lightsaber while Daniel Radcliffe would just get nervous and ends up whipping Prowse with his wand.

On fantasy in the other hand, Darth Vader could send in the Death Star and blast Potter AND Hogwarts to smithereens.

Jeezuz.

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
See, i think Potter would embarrass Anakin but then you bust out with something like that and change my entire way of thinking Sauron put all his GODLIKE POWER into the ring. Gandalf was holding back.

Not good enough... As Sauron's ass was whipped twice in those movies. Some god.

Its hard to recite spells when force choked til you're decapitated..

Or when your head is sliced from your body.

Did you even read my post? If he had the ring, he's god.

So all he has to do is lose his ring finger then?

Unless the ring buggers off of its own accord like it did with Gollum and the guy before Gollum.

Sauron was willing it to come back to him.

Welll he wills it while Potter wears it then.

And then he becomes Saurons *****. Do you know nothing about Tolkien?

Of course.

I know enough to know that Harry Potter had f**k all to do with Tolkien.

The point is that HP magic is a signifigant step down from most other magical powers in other films and literature. It is.

Dude no it isnt. Explain why it is.

Oh.

I avoid it as a its more for little kids, girls and dark and dodgy uncles with happy hands, if you ask me.

LOTR is about my limit.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Dude no it isnt. Explain why it is. Well first of all we don't know where it comes from or why it exists. In LOTR, Tolkien has an entirly self consistent and logical universe, and the magic therein is derived from god like beings who serve under Eru Iluvatar, who is essentially the Christian God. Magic in comics such as say Dr Strange has properties that effect reality itself and occur on a cosmic level. Same with most fantasy fiction. HP treats its magic as only a plot device or to serve superfluous purposes.

As I said, Potter wouldnt be able to cast spells being choked.

I wasn't responding to anyone in particular.

I know...

I had to reitterate though, as you dismissed it last time by saying that Potter was using the one ring...which he isnt.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
As I said, Potter wouldnt be able to cast spells being choked. he has a lot of spells that he can use without talking

Oh he does?

Forgive my lack of Potter knowledge skills.

What sort of stuff can he do in that circumstance then...?

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Oh he does?

Forgive my lack of Potter knowledge skills.

What sort of stuff can he do in that circumstance then...? i dunno he just has certain spells one causes him to gash his opponents everytime he waves his wand if I remember correctly

^Yeah, "sectumsempra". Anakin could dodge any spell of his easily.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Oh he does?

Forgive my lack of Potter knowledge skills.

What sort of stuff can he do in that circumstance then...? Die.

Well if Anakin go straight to choke Potter then the battle is over

I dont remember if potter can do magic without spell but they have some powerfull spell there, here is a video

AHRawien-n0

I think Potter has a slightly chance to win if cast a spell, but the advantage is mostly to Anakin

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
As I said, Potter wouldnt be able to cast spells being choked.



There are loads of spells that Potter can cast to force Anakin on the defensive. While Anakin is defending he won't be able to force choke anything and that will give Potter more than enough time to cast that death spell.

I agree though, if Anakin is able to Choke Potter before he gets any spells off its over but if Potter gets any spells off before Anakin starts Choking Potter, it's over for Anakin.

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
Sauron put all his GODLIKE POWER into the ring. Gandalf was holding back.

Yeah, because that giant flash light spell really gave us a peak at Gandalfs true potential