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We don't see them cause they are our neighbors, friends and co workers. What would be the red flags that would alert you to people like this that deemed as like you, but found out that they are of this behavior? What would you do.

Please take a peek at what this definition is and what these people do before you reply..

I believe being a sociopath is pretty normal. Anyone can be one, and anyone can not be one.

If I found out someone was a sociopath, I'd avoid them, unless they're someone I actually care about, or are stuck with for a part of a life. Then I'd encourage them to seek therapy.

Well, I'm a sociopath myself, so if my neighbor turned out to be sociopathic I might be a suspicious an cautious, but I wouldn't like, outright avoid them or anything. If they haven't done anything after all the years that I have been living right next to them, it's not like my life or whatever is suddenly in danger or anything now that I know.

Originally posted by lord xyz
I believe being a sociopath is pretty normal. Anyone can be one, and anyone can not be one.

Anyone could be a sociopath but it's well outside of the range of "normal" behaviors.

Originally posted by lord xyz
If I found out someone was a sociopath, I'd avoid them, unless they're someone I actually care about, or are stuck with for a part of a life. Then I'd encourage them to seek therapy.

Therapy, counseling, interrogation and brainwashing have no effect on sociopaths or psychopaths. Other people are meaningless to them and so other people's opinions are just as meaningless.

^therapy and conselling can.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
^therapy and conselling can.

Not really. Sociopaths just convince the therapist that they're fine and leave. They can do it again and again if they have to.

^but i do not beleive that they are completely impervious to it.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
^but i do not beleive that they are completely impervious to it.

The basis of therapy is totally counter to the basic thought pattern of sociopaths. You can't appeal to the emotions of someone who either lacks or ignores them completely and you can't argue logic with a person who insist the validity of his/her own lies in the face of absolute evidence against them.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
Well, I'm a sociopath myself, so if my neighbor turned out to be sociopathic I might be a suspicious an cautious, but I wouldn't like, outright avoid them or anything. If they haven't done anything after all the years that I have been living right next to them, it's not like my life or whatever is suddenly in danger or anything now that I know. It's not that they're dangerous, it'd just be bothersome and I'd probably make them feel worse.

Originally posted by lord xyz
It's not that they're dangerous, it'd just be bothersome and I'd probably make them feel worse.

Worse about what?

They seem to be very intelligent and mask a lot. To me, they become feeders upon whoever they decide to feed upon.

Oh, and I am glad to get responses to this thread cause I have en-counted one myself and it is truly hard.

They seem to be the clever ones.

I also have another question, for those who might know it. Can anyone BECOME ONE? Are you born with it...Can something trigger it?

From what I have read about it, it could become a very dangerous behavior to some.

They are different from psychopaths which are usually caught by the law...but sociopaths are not.

Originally posted by Deja~vu
I also have another question, for those who might know it. Can anyone BECOME ONE? Are you born with it...Can something trigger it?

From what I have read about it, it could become a very dangerous behavior to some.

Only through brain damage. Otherwise the only way to qualify as a sociopath/psychopath/APD is for the behavior to be present from the early teens or before.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Worse about what? I don't know, but I've come across as harsh.

Originally posted by Deja~vu
What would be the red flags that would alert you to people like this

1. Do they have problems sustaining stable relationships, personally and in business?

2. Do they frequently manipulate others to achieve selfish goals, with no consideration of the effects on those manipulated?

3. Are they cavalier about the truth, and capable of telling lies to your face?

4. Do they have an air of self-importance, regardless of their true standing in society?

5. Have they no apparent sense of remorse, shame or guilt?

6. Is their charm superficial, and capable of being switched on to suit immediate ends?

7. Are they easily bored and demand constant stimulation?

8. Are their displays of human emotion unconvincing?

9. Do they enjoy taking risks, and acting on reckless impulse?

10. Are they quick to blame others for their mistakes?

11. As teenagers, did they resent authority, play truant and/or steal?

12. Do they have no qualms about sponging off others?

13. Are they quick to lose their temper?

14. Are they sexually promiscuous?

15. Do they have a belligerent, bullying manner?

16. Are they unrealistic about their long-term aims?

17. Do they lack any ability to empathise with others?

18. Would you regard them as essentially irresponsible?

For each trait, decide if it applies to the person you suspect may be a socialised psychopath, fully (2 points), partially (1 point) or not at all (0 points).

A score of 25 or above suggests strong psychopathic tendencies. This does not mean the person is a potential mass-murderer: socialised psychopaths are not mad, nor do they have to resort to violence. Even so, a close professional or emotional relationship with a socialised psychopath is likely to prove a damaging experience.

http://www.cix.co.uk/~klockstone/teleg.htm

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
1. Do they have problems sustaining stable relationships, personally and in business?

2. Do they frequently manipulate others to achieve selfish goals, with no consideration of the effects on those manipulated?

3. Are they cavalier about the truth, and capable of telling lies to your face?

4. Do they have an air of self-importance, regardless of their true standing in society?

5. Have they no apparent sense of remorse, shame or guilt?

6. Is their charm superficial, and capable of being switched on to suit immediate ends?

7. Are they easily bored and demand constant stimulation?

8. Are their displays of human emotion unconvincing?

9. Do they enjoy taking risks, and acting on reckless impulse?

10. Are they quick to blame others for their mistakes?

11. As teenagers, did they resent authority, play truant and/or steal?

12. Do they have no qualms about sponging off others?

13. Are they quick to lose their temper?

14. Are they sexually promiscuous?

15. Do they have a belligerent, bullying manner?

16. Are they unrealistic about their long-term aims?

17. Do they lack any ability to empathise with others?

18. Would you regard them as essentially irresponsible?

For each trait, decide if it applies to the person you suspect may be a socialised psychopath, fully (2 points), partially (1 point) or not at all (0 points).

A score of 25 or above suggests strong psychopathic tendencies. This does not mean the person is a potential mass-murderer: socialised psychopaths are not mad, nor do they have to resort to violence. Even so, a close professional or emotional relationship with a socialised psychopath is likely to prove a damaging experience.

http://www.cix.co.uk/~klockstone/teleg.htm Thanks Not only was I hooked up with one, but now am dating one. *scared*...the first time was awful...........minipulative and needful even to the point of guilting you into things........oh my.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
11. As teenagers, did they resent authority, play truant and/or steal?
Oh come on, if they didn't resent authority, then they aren't normal.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Oh come on, if they didn't resent authority, then they aren't normal.

Just one point of reference. Usually it would go well beyond simple resentment for a psychopath.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Just one point of reference. Usually it would go well beyond simple resentment for a psychopath. And what would you consider the cut off point?

Originally posted by lord xyz
And what would you consider the cut off point? Probably more than one in the scale.

Originally posted by lord xyz
And what would you consider the cut off point?

I wouldn't define one. Psychology rarely has anything so precise.

A normal teenager might toilet paper a principals car. A psychopath kid might leave a dead puppy on the front seat.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I wouldn't define one. Psychology rarely has anything so precise.

A normal teenager might toilet paper a principals car. A psychopath kid might leave a dead puppy on the front seat. And you'd categorise that as resenting authority?

in the DSM IV, Sociopathy and psychopathy have been labeled as Antisocial Personality Disorder:

DSM
Diagnostic Criteria

1. There is a pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others occurring since age 15 years, as indicated by three (or more) of the following:
1. failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest
2. deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure
3. impulsivity or failure to plan ahead
4. irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults
5. reckless disregard for safety of self or others
6. consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations
7. lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another
2. The individual is at least age 18 years.
3. There is evidence of Conduct Disorder with onset before age 15 years.
4. The occurrence of antisocial behavior is not exclusively during the course of Schizophrenia or a Manic Episode.

Originally posted by Deja~vu
What would be the red flags that would alert you to people like this

generally speaking, there are no red flags, aside from a proper psychiatric diagnosis

Originally posted by lord xyz
I don't know, but I've come across as harsh.

contrary to popular scientific belief prior to proper investigation, people who have APD do not suffer from lack of self confidence or low self worth.

and your harshness, to them, would be irrelevant by the definition of the term

Originally posted by leonheartmm
^but i do not beleive that they are completely impervious to it.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
The basis of therapy is totally counter to the basic thought pattern of sociopaths. You can't appeal to the emotions of someone who either lacks or ignores them completely and you can't argue logic with a person who insist the validity of his/her own lies in the face of absolute evidence against them.

actually:

Cognitive behaviour therapy for violent men with antisocial personality disorder in the community: an exploratory randomized controlled trial.
Davidson KM, Tyrer P, Tata P, Cooke D, Gumley A, Ford I, Walker A, Bezlyak V, Seivewright H, Robertson H, Crawford MJ.
psychological medicine
30, 1-9, 2008.

BACKGROUND: Little information exists on treatment effectiveness in antisocial personality disorder (ASPD). We investigated the feasibility and effectiveness of carrying out a randomized controlled trial of cognitive behaviour therapy (CBT) in men with ASPD who were aggressive.

Method: This was an exploratory two-centre, randomized controlled trial in a community setting. Fifty-two adult men with a diagnosis of ASPD, with acts of aggression in the 6 months prior to the study, were randomized to either treatment as usual (TAU) plus CBT, or usual treatment alone. Change over 12 months of follow-up was assessed in the occurrence of any act of aggression and also in terms of alcohol misuse, mental state, beliefs and social functioning.

RESULTS: The follow-up rate was 79%. At 12 months, both groups reported a decrease in the occurrence of any acts of verbal or physical aggression. Trends in the data, in favour of CBT, were noted for problematic drinking, social functioning and beliefs about others.

CONCLUSIONS: CBT did not improve outcomes more than usual treatment for men with ASPD who are aggressive and living in the community in this exploratory study. However, the data suggest that a larger study is required to fully assess the effectiveness of CBT in reducing aggression, alcohol misuse and improving social functioning and view of others. It is feasible to carry out a rigorous randomized controlled trial in this group.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18667099?ordinalpos=3&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

bold added for emphasis.

Overall, however, the point I want to make is that this is largely a condition that requires more research before anything like either of these statements can be said. Largely I side with Sym on this one, though I believe Leo is correct, were it possible to motivate a APD person to want to change, they would not be immune, which may be what is going on above, but let me say, this is most certainly not my area of psych.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Only through brain damage.

tumors also

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I wouldn't define one. Psychology rarely has anything so precise.


To further highlight this, the first DSM criteria is:

DSM
1. failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest

something like chronic marijuana use, would likely not qualify as this.

Nor would breaking some laws in nations that abuse human rights.

Etc.

again to just parrot Sym, there aren't lines like this in psychology.

Originally posted by inimalist
in the DSM IV, Sociopathy and psychopathy have been labeled as Antisocial Personality Disorder:

Isn't Socio passive aggressive and Psycho aggressive?

I'd still avoid them.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Isn't Socio passive aggressive and Psycho aggressive?


as far as I know, and some researchers believe that the distinction should still be made, their stuff is easy to find on Pub Med (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/) and the wiki for psychopathy looks promising (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopath)

Originally posted by lord xyz
And you'd categorise that as resenting authority?

If done for the purpose of terrorizing the principal, yes.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
If done for the purpose of terrorizing the principal, yes. I would've categorised it as "Irrational acts against authority/enemies/people" because it's the irrationality that makes it of a psychopath.

I've been diagnosed with ASPD, actually.

You don't necessarily have to be violent or even conniving or plotting, to be Sociopathic.

Originally posted by lord xyz
I would've categorised it as "Irrational acts against authority/enemies/people" because it's the irrationality that makes it of a psychopath.

it is the complete indifference to the effect on the person or other people that makes it psychopathy.

for instance, someone who TPs a house, is not doing real harm to someone. There are also probably underlying causes, like home trouble or feeling of being picked on by the principal. But most specifically, it shows general regard for societal norms, like lashing out in a acceptable way.

The dead puppy shows total lack of empathy for the puppy, its owners, and the principal to a degree that shows no regard for social norms.

The more I think about it, the more I like them (psychopathy and sociopathy) as one term, but I'm sure nuance is lost.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
I've been diagnosed with ASPD, actually.

You don't necessarily have to be violent or even conniving or plotting, to be Sociopathic. What characteristics do you have?

Originally posted by inimalist
it is the complete indifference to the effect on the person or other people that makes it psychopathy.

for instance, someone who TPs a house, is not doing real harm to someone. There are also probably underlying causes, like home trouble or feeling of being picked on by the principal. But most specifically, it shows general regard for societal norms, like lashing out in a acceptable way.

The dead puppy shows total lack of empathy for the puppy, its owners, and the principal to a degree that shows no regard for social norms.

The more I think about it, the more I like them (psychopathy and sociopathy) as one term, but I'm sure nuance is lost. Wouldn't that make anyone who likes to see murders etc die and be sent to prsion, psychopaths?

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
I've been diagnosed with ASPD, actually.

weird

is it something that affects you day to day?

Originally posted by lord xyz
Wouldn't that make anyone who likes to see murders etc die and be sent to prsion, psychopaths?

no

Originally posted by inimalist
no "The dead puppy shows total lack of empathy for the puppy, its owners, and the principal to a degree that shows no regard for social norms." Take out the social norms part, yeah it is.

Originally posted by lord xyz
"The dead puppy shows total lack of empathy for the puppy, its owners, and the principal to a degree that shows no regard for social norms." Take out the social norms part, yeah it is.

The destructive behavior is a major psychopathy. Simply liking to watch isn't enough. If you find death funny, you're a creep. If you murder people because it amuses you, you're a psychopath.

Originally posted by lord xyz
"The dead puppy shows total lack of empathy for the puppy, its owners, and the principal to a degree that shows no regard for social norms." Take out the social norms part, yeah it is.

1) I'm not a psychotherapist, meaning what I say is not definitive on this matter anyways, meaning you can't extrapolate from something I might have typed to something like that

2) That is a overgeneralized statement meant to quickly give you the idea of what my opinion of those two scenarios was

3) Disorder diagnosises are based on multiple symptoms in patterns of behaviour, not single events. The puppy event, in isolation, would not be evidence of psychopathic behaviour. Actually, it would, but alone it would not be enough for a proper diagnosis, human behaviour is far too variable for this

4) The line between what is and what isn't a social norm is fuzzy. Killing a puppy and TPing a house were chosen, presumably, because they are extreme cases. A human taking pleasure at the justice of someone else suffering clearly falls into this gray region, especially given that you are talking about the prison establishment, something that is a social norm.

5) You aren't a psychologist, so without someone doing direct empirical results that you have seen, its really not advisable for you to make leaps like this.

6) The statement seems unnecessarily politically motivated

7) With regard to the actual content of comparing someone taking pleasure at hurtful justice vs a child murdering a puppy and leaving it in his principals car. To begin with, you would have to prove that there is something abnormal about taking pleasure in justice. I am perfectly happy when a murder is put behind bars, in fact, I take personal pleasure knowing they will never harm someone outside of prison again (lets just assume perfect world for now, it doesn't change the point and needlessly complicates wording if not). This may not be a good example, because I am also concerned about prisoner rights.

Take my mother for example. A firm believer that someone who breaks the rules of society deserves no rights. She is totally indifferent to the suffering of people in prison (blah, to clarify, my mother isn't a monster, I'm just being overly general). The fact that this supports authority, for one, makes it seem non-phychopathic. Along this line of reasoning, my mother also fails a proper psychiatric analysis for ASPD, so she isn't psychopathic.

EDIT: The point being, that someone who takes pleasure in justice, even at someone else's expense, is not showing a pattern of behaviour in line with psychopathy. If one assumes that the puppy murderer has a patter of behaviour that is similar, odds are they do fit the behavioural profile.

I'll not rant and let you clarify whats unclear

Originally posted by lord xyz
What characteristics do you have?

To make things simpler I'll just copy+paste the ones that have been listed that relate to me the most.

3. impulsivity or failure to plan ahead
4. irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults
6. consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations.
7. lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another.

And aside from that I just have a problem communicating with people in general, so I avoid them. I avoid going to parties, I avoid public speaking, sports, or anything where I might have to talk to someone or interact with someone. The only people I can stand are my closest friends, and there aren't very many of those, though the number is growing steadily. I've gotten better.



To an extent, yeah. As noted above I'm not very social. I will sit in a classroom and fail an entire semester's worth of lessons, rather then tell the teacher that I don't understand or, even more mortifying, raise my hand.

I have a girlfriend though, and my ASPD seems to have become less severe, so doctors aren't sure now if I actually even have it or if I might just have a less severe form of autism, which would make sense because my older brother has a severe case of autism. It might be hereditary.

Originally posted by inimalist
1) I'm not a psychotherapist, meaning what I say is not definitive on this matter anyways, meaning you can't extrapolate from something I might have typed to something like that

2) That is a overgeneralized statement meant to quickly give you the idea of what my opinion of those two scenarios was

3) Disorder diagnosises are based on multiple symptoms in patterns of behaviour, not single events. The puppy event, in isolation, would not be evidence of psychopathic behaviour. Actually, it would, but alone it would not be enough for a proper diagnosis, human behaviour is far too variable for this

4) The line between what is and what isn't a social norm is fuzzy. Killing a puppy and TPing a house were chosen, presumably, because they are extreme cases. A human taking pleasure at the justice of someone else suffering clearly falls into this gray region, especially given that you are talking about the prison establishment, something that is a social norm.

5) You aren't a psychologist, so without someone doing direct empirical results that you have seen, its really not advisable for you to make leaps like this.

6) The statement seems unnecessarily politically motivated

7) With regard to the actual content of comparing someone taking pleasure at hurtful justice vs a child murdering a puppy and leaving it in his principals car. To begin with, you would have to prove that there is something abnormal about taking pleasure in justice. I am perfectly happy when a murder is put behind bars, in fact, I take personal pleasure knowing they will never harm someone outside of prison again (lets just assume perfect world for now, it doesn't change the point and needlessly complicates wording if not). This may not be a good example, because I am also concerned about prisoner rights.

Take my mother for example. A firm believer that someone who breaks the rules of society deserves no rights. She is totally indifferent to the suffering of people in prison (blah, to clarify, my mother isn't a monster, I'm just being overly general). The fact that this supports authority, for one, makes it seem non-phychopathic. Along this line of reasoning, my mother also fails a proper psychiatric analysis for ASPD, so she isn't psychopathic.

EDIT: The point being, that someone who takes pleasure in justice, even at someone else's expense, is not showing a pattern of behaviour in line with psychopathy. If one assumes that the puppy murderer has a patter of behaviour that is similar, odds are they do fit the behavioural profile.

I'll not rant and let you clarify whats unclear I see what you mean.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
To make things simpler I'll just copy+paste the ones that have been listed that relate to me the most.

3. impulsivity or failure to plan ahead
4. irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults
6. consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations.
7. lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another.

And aside from that I just have a problem communicating with people in general, so I avoid them. I avoid going to parties, I avoid public speaking, sports, or anything where I might have to talk to someone or interact with someone. The only people I can stand are my closest friends, and there aren't very many of those, though the number is growing steadily. I've gotten better.



To an extent, yeah. As noted above I'm not very social. I will sit in a classroom and fail an entire semester's worth of lessons, rather then tell the teacher that I don't understand or, even more mortifying, raise my hand.

I have a girlfriend though, and my ASPD seems to have become less severe, so doctors aren't sure now if I actually even have it or if I might just have a less severe form of autism, which would make sense because my older brother has a severe case of autism. It might be hereditary. I'm kinda like that, but not so much. If I was diagnosed, I don't think I'd be classed as having it.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
To an extent, yeah. As noted above I'm not very social. I will sit in a classroom and fail an entire semester's worth of lessons, rather then tell the teacher that I don't understand or, even more mortifying, raise my hand.

I have a girlfriend though, and my ASPD seems to have become less severe, so doctors aren't sure now if I actually even have it or if I might just have a less severe form of autism, which would make sense because my older brother has a severe case of autism. It might be hereditary.

thats lame

though, congrats on it getting better, thats got to be all you, and shit, probably not easy!

Yeah, I don't think I really have it either. Matter of fact most people I know, including a lot of people outside of my family, are like that. So... I think it's more just me being a teenager going through development then a mental illness.

With me, it's just the people around me suck.

thats sort of why I asked. Not the teenage thing, more because there is an oft forgotten necessary condition before someone can be diagnosed with any mental disorder, namely it has to prevent them from living a normal life.

But seriously man, good luck.

EDIT: most people on these forums seem to hate people. Likely that has more to do with being a self-selected group of people with above average curriosity and a desire to fight with people about it, rather than mental disorders.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
To make things simpler I'll just copy+paste the ones that have been listed that relate to me the most.

3. impulsivity or failure to plan ahead
4. irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults
6. consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations.
7. lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another.

And aside from that I just have a problem communicating with people in general, so I avoid them. I avoid going to parties, I avoid public speaking, sports, or anything where I might have to talk to someone or interact with someone. The only people I can stand are my closest friends, and there aren't very many of those, though the number is growing steadily. I've gotten better.

Funny, that's a pretty good description of me but I was diagnosed as being an Aspie.

Originally posted by inimalist
EDIT: most people on these forums seem to hate people. Likely that has more to do with being a self-selected group of people with above average curriosity and a desire to fight with people about it, rather than mental disorders.

Yeah . . . that's it . . . that must be it.

lol

is this where I get to tell you guys my shopping list of paranoias and anxiety issues?

Originally posted by inimalist
lol

is this where I get to tell you guys my shopping list of paranoias and anxiety issues?



Sure.

Now stay still while the satellite takes aim at the fluoride in your teeth. Smile . . .

lol

ya, the paranoias aren't as bad as the anxieties, them and the ODD just make me want a bunker and guns up north.

worse than the social and general anxiety though are the blood-injury panic attacks. I cut my thumb open this weekend and had to fight against my brain to even dress the wound...

ooh! paraphilias next?

ooh! ohh! My turn!


I can't stand Mexicans!



... *Room goes quiet*

Originally posted by inimalist
ooh! paraphilias next?

Honestly? Pet-play.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
ooh! ohh! My turn!


I can't stand Mexicans!



... *Room goes quiet* Yeah, they might take your job at as a...nevermind.

Originally posted by Deja~vu
I also have another question, for those who might know it. Can anyone BECOME ONE? Are you born with it...

According to my mother, I've been this way since I was old enough to gesture.

lol dated a sociopath she was crazy as hell, but the sex was off the chain after we broke up the b**** keyed my car, but i didnt care if she was crazy or not trick had too pay so i let her dog loose and that fool got hit, didnt die but she left me alone or maybe shes plotting something new idk i say bring the pain.

God, you are black.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
God, you are black. Yes yes, we all watched Bruce Almighty.

what would you have done?

Originally posted by lord xyz
Yes yes, we all watched Bruce Almighty.

... wat?

EDIT- Oh. hahaha...

Originally posted by zbucsz
i didnt care if she was crazy or not



Not enough. Trust me.

Originally posted by inimalist
lol

is this where I get to tell you guys my shopping list of paranoias and anxiety issues?



I always knew you were all fur coat and no trousas'.

Some of the reading I've done goes along this line:

Narcissist can lead to and is often related to Sociopath thinking which is a bit different than psychopathic thinking.

Originally posted by Deja~vu
Some of the reading I've done goes along this line:

Narcissist can lead to and is often related to Sociopath thinking which is a bit different than psychopathic thinking.

Where did you read that, a fortune cookie?

Originally posted by KidRock
I always knew you were all fur coat and no trousas'.

i dun get it?

how is having anxiety problems superficial?

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Where did you read that, a fortune cookie? No. But what I read about Narcissist go into descriptions about that associated with sociopath thinking. They tend to be the hardest for the law to catch. I'll have to try to find the link. Psychopaths are much easier to catch because they are more impulsive unlike a sociopath who schemes and plots...puts more thought into their actions.

Originally posted by Deja~vu
No. But what I read about Narcissist go into descriptions about that associated with sociopath thinking. They tend to be the hardest for the law to catch. I'll have to try to find the link. Psychopaths are much easier to catch because they are more impulsive unlike a sociopath who schemes and plots...puts more thought into their actions.

none of those variables are related to narcissism

Both sociopaths and psychopaths score high on narcissism.

While psychologists used to believe that their actions were motivated by self-loathing, it has since been discovered that people who don't care about how their actions affect others generally think highly of themselves.

Interestingly, there is probably a philosophy of science paper about how that reflects a change in the narrative of psychology.

So what they all have in common is the lack of empathy?

to put it simply

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
1. Do they have problems sustaining stable relationships, personally and in business?

2. Do they frequently manipulate others to achieve selfish goals, with no consideration of the effects on those manipulated?

3. Are they cavalier about the truth, and capable of telling lies to your face?

4. Do they have an air of self-importance, regardless of their true standing in society?

5. Have they no apparent sense of remorse, shame or guilt?

6. Is their charm superficial, and capable of being switched on to suit immediate ends?

7. Are they easily bored and demand constant stimulation?

8. Are their displays of human emotion unconvincing?

9. Do they enjoy taking risks, and acting on reckless impulse?

10. Are they quick to blame others for their mistakes?

11. As teenagers, did they resent authority, play truant and/or steal?

12. Do they have no qualms about sponging off others?

13. Are they quick to lose their temper?

14. Are they sexually promiscuous?

15. Do they have a belligerent, bullying manner?

16. Are they unrealistic about their long-term aims?

17. Do they lack any ability to empathise with others?

18. Would you regard them as essentially irresponsible?

For each trait, decide if it applies to the person you suspect may be a socialised psychopath, fully (2 points), partially (1 point) or not at all (0 points).

A score of 25 or above suggests strong psychopathic tendencies. This does not mean the person is a potential mass-murderer: socialised psychopaths are not mad, nor do they have to resort to violence. Even so, a close professional or emotional relationship with a socialised psychopath is likely to prove a damaging experience.

http://www.cix.co.uk/~klockstone/teleg.htm oh SHIT she got a 27

And it takes awhile to tell this doesn't it and it comes in all forms too, huh, like guilting someone to do their will.

well indication would be harm thinking of harming of others

Not that I have seen...It's all about love...

So glad to find this post. My sociopath buddy is in jail. peeping tom. turns out cops have been on to him for 10 yrs. everything you guys say is true! he waited for women to walk in to a coed bathroom where he would stand naked. would jack off chasing women in cars, told his girlfriend he was a scuba diver and saves lives. ex marine, all lies.

told us all he had leukemia. lost 95 percent of his friends when we found out that was a lie. lost everyone else now that he'll be on a sexual offenders list.

his girlfriend called me and I told her it was all a lie. she couldn't believe it. now a month later, she called me yesterday and told me he's a sociopath. until now, I didn't know what that meant.

He was totally non violent, but evrything else you guys said described him exactly.

Are you Patty? id his name joe? lol

After doing some research on the term sociopath I realise some one I used to be close friends with has every thing that is described. It is quite scary how brilliantly he matches the features, he scored a nice 32 on that little test thing lol.

Originally posted by sealybobo
He was totally non violent, but evrything else you guys said described him exactly.

It's assumed by some recent psychologists that most sociopaths are non-violently destructive.

That is what I heard too.

Me? Nope.

I just seem to be a sociopath magnate lately....lol

It seems that sociopath and psychopath are interchangable in the psychology field according my psychologist friend. People like to use the word "psychopath" more became of the word psycho...lol She said that there are also many degrees of it and yes, they can be destructive. She said after a while they are pretty easy to spot and yep, they are everywhere. She also said that the Narcissist is the tough one to catch. They are the ones that feel like "If I can't have you, then I'll destroy you." They are hard to catch unless you get out of line with them.......then watch out!

I think your friend isn't really a psychologist.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
I think your friend isn't really a psychologist. I think she has the credentials. I've seen them...

Originally posted by Deja~vu
I think she has the credentials. I've seen them...

Nice. Is she the one that gives you your prescriptions?

How nice of you that you would think I don't have friends in high places.

Besides her would you like to see my list of lawyers as friends? Maybe one doctor? Give me a break. I've done work for some of these people.

Originally posted by Deja~vu
How nice of you that you would think I don't have friends in high places.

Besides here, would you like to see my list of lawyers as friends?

Ummm... no.

Okay then...lol

Cause I sure could give a list.

Thrilling, I'm sure.

Just people like us with credentials.......no different actually..

Whoa, you don't say?

Meaning?

Oh, never mind...not worth the conflict.

http://www.human-nature.com/nibbs/01/psychopathy.html

Originally posted by Deja~vu
That is what I heard too.

Me? Nope.

I just seem to be a sociopath magnate lately....lol

Ha! I read ahead and you seem to be carrying on with one here. lol

hUH?