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fight to the death

no bfr

who wins?

Superman ahah

Assuming this isn't Superman sunamping for days or more, then Thor. 7/10.

Whats wm?

WM = Warrior Madness, which multiplies Thor's strength tenfold...and probably makes him just as vicious.

Im going to have to say thor on this one. thor already has great power but wm and the power gem its just to much for supes to handle

This is spite. A sunamp SM will turn Thor into a pulp of blood with just one hit. This SM overpowered thousands of galaxies. Each galaxy has billions of stars.

Sundipping does not represent a linear increase for Clark. It is quite an exponential one.

Superman wins.

Thor never had warrior madness. But,its clear that this is blood and thunder Thor. Thor wins. Superman had limits.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor never had warrior madness. But,its clear that this is blood and thunder Thor. Thor wins. Superman had limits.

Couldn't even beat Thanos. What a pussy.

Originally posted by h1a8
This SM overpowered thousands of galaxies. Each galaxy has billions of stars.
That reminds me of when I overpowered all the air on Earth. Or the time I overpowered that "Whoop! There't is!" song.

Can you rephrase that so it doesn't sound made up?

Originally posted by Soljer
Couldn't even beat Thanos. What a pussy.

baitmaster

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor never had warrior madness. But,its clear that this is blood and thunder Thor. Thor wins. Superman had limits.

Like what? Because what he did in OWAW was far beyond anything Thor has ever done.

Originally posted by Doctor-Alvis
That reminds me of when I overpowered all the air on Earth. Or the time I overpowered that "Whoop! There't is!" song.

Can you rephrase that so it doesn't sound made up?

............You have a point. But he actually did do that, so give him his props. B-13 Warworld was massively powerful and he still moved it.

Superman gets ****ed up the ass.

thor stood up to a combined attack from strange and warlock who was using the soul gem as well

Thor shoves mjolnir up Supes ass

Sun amped Supes wins. WM Thor couldn't beat Thanos, that doesn't bode well for him in a duel with a sun amped Supes, who if OWAW is anything to go by, is a much more imposing physical threat than Thanos.

Originally posted by Allankles
Sun amped Supes wins. WM Thor couldn't beat Thanos, that doesn't bode well for him in a duel with a sun amped Supes, who if OWAW is anything to go by, is a much more imposing physical threat than Thanos.

you do know what the power gem enables the bearer to do

Plus that whole, weakness to magic thing...

Originally posted by Soljer
Couldn't even beat Thanos. What a pussy. No one can beat Thanos.

Originally posted by Mindset
No one can beat Thanos.

Aunt May could

Originally posted by Nihilist
you do know what the power gem enables the bearer to do

Speed kills.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Speed kills.

someone who argubaly cant be killed/harmed to that degree whilst drawing upon an infinite energy/power source.?

Not if you're invincible.

Originally posted by Nihilist
you do know what the power gem enables the bearer to do

Upgraded Thor still couldn't beat Thanos. Sun dipped Supes using OWAW as a reference is above Thanos as a physical threat. Sun dipped Supes is more physically impressive than Thanos.

Thor was going easy on him.

Supes for the easy win. Thor was pwned by a forcefield. Sundipped Supes broke through forcefields without even noticing.

Maybe he was able to break through them because he didn't notice.

Reality is what you perceive.

I win.

Speed kills, as in, Superman will spot the little gem or that Thor is holding something.

Once the gem is gone, he's ****ed.

Originally posted by Soljer
Couldn't even beat Thanos. What a pussy.


And superman would have done better against thanos.




ya right lol.


thor wins this i think. He wont need the gem either.

Originally posted by zeel
And superman would have done better against thanos.




ya right lol.


thor wins this np. He wont need the gem either.

Wonder woman has actually stood up to a sundipped supes. And WM thor is at least 5 times greater then WM. The only thing thor has to worry about is supes speed.

Originally posted by zeel
And superman would have done better against thanos.




ya right lol.


thor wins this i think. He wont need the gem either.

Actualy...........a sundipped Superman would have killed thanos.

Thor under these stipulations wins, but it will depend on his ability to draw on the power of the gem. It really does not matter how amped Superman could become, he can not challenge infinite power, he wouldn't have a way of hurting Thor.

This fight would end up with Superman being broken and destroyed, every second Thor possesed the gem is more time for him to become adept at it's use.

Originally posted by zeel
Wonder woman has actually stood up to a sundipped supes.

Lies.

Originally posted by zeel
Wonder woman has actually stood up to a sundipped supes. And WM thor is at least 5 times greater then WM. The only thing thor has to worry about is supes speed.

issue number?

The only time a sundipped supes has been shown was in owaw. The only time he's used the sun amp directly <there is a huge difference> was when battling against cythonna.

Speed superman takes the gem out of Thor and kills him with it

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Speed kills, as in, Superman will spot the little gem or that Thor is holding something.

Once the gem is gone, he's ****ed. Surfer has speed and was taking on Thor along with the Infinity Watch and Dr. Strange.


Thor is only taking on Superman here so,he isnt taking the power gem. Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Actualy...........a sundipped Superman would have killed thanos. False.

Originally posted by Avlon
Supes for the easy win. Thor was pwned by a forcefield. Sundipped Supes broke through forcefields without even noticing. What does a forcefield have to do with who wins this thread? Can sundipped Superman put him on a block of pure force?

Originally posted by Doctor-Alvis
That reminds me of when I overpowered all the air on Earth. Or the time I overpowered that "Whoop! There't is!" song.

Can you rephrase that so it doesn't sound made up?

If all the air was turned into energy and you still overpowered it then my friend you would one of the most powerful beings in the universe.

supes wins.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Actualy...........a sundipped Superman would have killed thanos.

Nah even WW has stood up to sundipped supes and thanos is to smart to be killed by a mere mortal no matter how tough he is. thor wins this i think.


I would never count thor outta this fight. no offence to supes but his sundipping is overatted.


A sundipped supes is a overpowered version of the unversital original really. Im not saying he will lose casue he could win this. But to say he easily will beat thor is just plain wrong. And to say he can beat thanos is wrong.

Originally posted by zeel
Nah even WW has stood up to sundipped supes and thanos is to smart to be killed by a mere mortal no matter how tough he is. thor wins this i think.


I would never count thor outta this fight. no offence to supes but his sundipping is overatted.


A sundipped supes is a overpowered version of the unversital original really. Im not saying he will lose casue he could win this. But to say he easily will beat thor is just plain wrong. And to say he can beat thanos is wrong.

WW didn't stand up to a sun dipped Supes. What are you talking about? She's never fought Superman when he was sun dipped and has lost to him without any sun amping or sun dipping, so what are you talking about? If Superman is sun dipped to the extent of OWAW Thor is getting beat.

Originally posted by zeel
And to say he can beat thanos is wrong.

Thanos would not fare well against a sun dipped Supes, Superman at OWAW standards beats Thanos.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
supes wins. How?

Originally posted by zeel
Nah even WW has stood up to sundipped supes

Lies.

Originally posted by quanchi112
How?

Well, I believe sundipped supes has the strength and speed advanatage, even though thor having mjolnir might even it out. The problem is that WM thor with the PG was a brawler and this plays right into supermans favor. He wud give it a gud fight but IMO he wud lose.

Originally posted by quanchi112
How?

Probably by punching Thor until he doesn't get up. Sun Amped Superman could have beaten Galactus.

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Thor and the Power Gem!

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Thor's split persona states:

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/470569_PG4.jpg

"The Gem offers absolute Power ... Power unimaginable"


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Surfer & Gamora state:

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/470574_PG5.jpg

"If Thor harnesses the Gem, even Asgard won't stand a chance against him

"Asgard or anything else, Thor was ranting about destroying ALL, does he mean Everything"


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Surfer states:

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/470572_PG6.jpg

"So powerful is now Thor that even our combined might is nothing to him"


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Indeed ...

Eternity embodiment of Time across the infinite Multiverse states:

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/470554_PG10.jpg

"Thor .... a danger ... to a good portion of ALL that is Infinity & myself"


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continues in the next post ...

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Nice, with the exception of Drax, the rest of the Watch have their Infinity Gems.

The Watch, Silver Surfer and Dr Strange vs Thor, who never wielded the Power Gem fully!


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Warlock and Dr Strange attack Thor with all they got.

Yet, with a thought, Thor turns their own power against them:

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/470576_PG7.jpg

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/470580_PG8.jpg

"He's tapping the Power gem, turning our energies back on ... unnff .... aggh"


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Silver Surfer and Drax can't believe their eyes:

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/470578_PG9-1.jpg

"Unthinkable ... both Stephen & Adam overwhelmed so easily"


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Thor one-shots Silver Surfer, Drax and Pip: (after owning the rest of the Watch)


http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/470556_PG11.jpg

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/470558_PG12.jpg

"I wake up and find out everyone else is down for the count"


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Pip states:

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/470560_PG13.jpg

"Goldilocks ... wants to destroy everything ...
he's got a pretty good chance of doing it too,
since he took the Power Gem"


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Thanos states:

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/470562_PG15.jpg

"With the backing of the Power Gem,
there is NO limit to the force he can muster against us.
With each passing second he becomes stronger"

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btw. Thor was already breaking out of the field of pure force,
and after 3 hours, Thor's power would have increased to an unstoppable scale.

I mean, soon enough, even a good portion of Eternity/Infinity was subject to destruction.

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Great stuff, Mr. M.

Great scans. Like I said earlier, Superman will get demolished by this Thor.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Well, I believe sundipped supes has the strength and speed advanatage, even though thor having mjolnir might even it out. The problem is that WM thor with the PG was a brawler and this plays right into supermans favor. He wud give it a gud fight but IMO he wud lose. But he cant put down Thor with the power gem. Thor is more powerful than Supes and has no limits.Originally posted by tsscls
Probably by punching Thor until he doesn't get up. Sun Amped Superman could have beaten Galactus. Speculation. Thor cant be physically beat here,he is wielding the power gem.

Originally posted by Mr Master
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Nice, with the exception of Drax, the rest of the Watch have their Infinity Gems.

The Watch, Silver Surfer and Dr Strange vs Thor, who never wielded the Power Gem fully!


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Warlock and Dr Strange attack Thor with all they got.

Yet, with a thought, Thor turns their own power against them:

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/470576_PG7.jpg

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/470580_PG8.jpg

"He's tapping the Power gem, turning our energies back on ... unnff .... aggh"


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Silver Surfer and Drax can't believe their eyes:

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/470578_PG9-1.jpg

"Unthinkable ... both Stephen & Adam overwhelmed so easily"


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Thor one-shots Silver Surfer, Drax and Pip: (after owning the rest of the Watch)


http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/470556_PG11.jpg

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/470558_PG12.jpg

"I wake up and find out everyone else is down for the count"


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Pip states:

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/470560_PG13.jpg

"Goldilocks ... wants to destroy everything ...
he's got a pretty good chance of doing it too,
since he took the Power Gem"


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Thanos states:

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/470562_PG15.jpg

"With the backing of the Power Gem,
there is NO limit to the force he can muster against us.
With each passing second he becomes stronger"

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btw. Thor was already breaking out of the field of pure force,
and after 3 hours, Thor's power would have increased to an unstoppable scale.

I mean, soon enough, even a good portion of Eternity/Infinity was subject to destruction.

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You forgot

Superman is DC awecreep

Originally posted by Mr Master
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Thor and the Power Gem!

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Thor's split persona states:

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/470569_PG4.jpg

"The Gem offers absolute Power ... Power unimaginable"
This is the potential and not the reality.

Her opinion, which means nothing.


That is called bullshit. Don't be surprised, many characters have created it with their mouths (even Spider-man).

This is also bullshit due to the fact that Odin himself can end Thor with a gesture as well as any abstract. Even someone like Morg can slice his head off (or someone with an adamantium sword).

Originally posted by Mr Master
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Nice, with the exception of Drax, the rest of the Watch have their Infinity Gems.

The Watch, Silver Surfer and Dr Strange vs Thor, who never wielded the Power Gem fully!


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Warlock and Dr Strange attack Thor with all they got.

Yet, with a thought, Thor turns their own power against them:

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/470576_PG7.jpg

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/470580_PG8.jpg

"He's tapping the Power gem, turning our energies back on ... unnff .... aggh"
"...with a thought", why you say it so exaggerating like? Thor obviously struggled. People usually say "with a thought" when there was no hint of struggle (and they did it with a thought). You are obviously trying to sell something to us. Just let the truth be the truth, no need to prep things up.
This is called jobbing. Strange himself can easily fell Thor (no shooting him with blasts required).


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More and more jobbing. Happens all the time in comics. Thor was indeed popular then.

Another opinion that means nothing.

Wow a 1ton a second! It will probably take him only a year just to reach regular Superman's strength.
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False! Where do you get that from, your head?

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/1382/facepalm2ly3.jpg

h1, the things you call bullshit, normal people call canon.

Funny that EVERY feat of WM Thor is PIS. Actually if those are his only showings then according to the rules it cannot be considered PIS and must be considered valid.

Originally posted by h1a8

This is the potential and not the reality.
Actually, it is a reality, Power Gem increases one's power infinitely.
Originally posted by h1a8

Her opinion, which means nothing.
Gamora, was raised by Thanos,
performed a Cosmic task by operating on Eternity through Galactus,
and baby-sited the child that anchors the entire 616 Universe, (Atleza)
besides being a member of the Infinity Watch who dealt strictly with the Infinity Gems.

Yet, you believe her opinion concerning an Infinity Gem means nothing?

Cool.
Originally posted by h1a8

That is called bullshit. Don't be surprised,
many characters have created it with their mouths (even Spider-man).

This is also bullshit
due to the fact that Odin himself can end Thor with a gesture
as well as any abstract.
dontgetit
Originally posted by h1a8

Even someone like Morg can slice his head off
(or someone with an adamantium sword).

Originally posted by h1a8

"...with a thought", why you say it so exaggerating like? Thor obviously struggled. People usually say "with a thought" when there was no hint of struggle (and they did it with a thought). You are obviously trying to sell something to us. Just let the truth be the truth, no need to prep things up.
First panel,
both Dr Strange and Warlock attack Thor simultaneously,
Thor feels pain, but isn't hurt,
Second panel,
Thor says "no" and with a thought, turns their powers against them.
Originally posted by h1a8

This is called jobbing.

Strange himself can easily fell Thor (no shooting him with blasts required).
Jobbing?

On Panel:

Strange attacked Thor, Thor was not hurt and stomped Strange with a thought.
Originally posted by h1a8

More and more jobbing. Happens all the time in comics.
Thor was indeed popular then.
So, basically you'll simply dismiss all the evidence as "jobbing" and "bullshit."

Cool.
Originally posted by h1a8

Another opinion that means nothing.
Right, Pip, (a veteran member of the Infinity Watch)
should know nothing about an Infinity Gem.
Originally posted by h1a8

Wow a 1ton a second!
It will probably take him only a year just to reach regular Superman's strength.
Hmm ... I wonder where you got the "1ton a second" line from,
was that a mistake, or "bullshit" as you like to title it?

Thanos said "With each passing second he becomes stronger"

Let's not add fallacies to the text friend.
Originally posted by h1a8

False! Where do you get that from, your head?
Wonder what you're referring to?

I said:

"Thor was already breaking out of the field of pure force,
and after 3 hours,
Thor's power would have increased to an unstoppable scale."

proof

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/681082_23.jpg

"In less than two hours Thor shall break free"

"And the Heavens will once again be imperiled"

"We can no longer endanger the Universe by trying to cure Thor ourselves"

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I also said in that quote:

"I mean, soon enough,
even a good portion of Eternity/Infinity was subject to destruction."

proof

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/470554_PG10.jpg

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So my statements were not false,
and now you know where I got the info from, (Marvel comics)

But if you wish to ignore it, that's cool.

Originally posted by Enyalus
h1, the things you call bullshit, normal people call canon.

PIS and SvFL are canon too.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Funny that EVERY feat of WM Thor is PIS. Actually if those are his only showings then according to the rules it cannot be considered PIS and must be considered valid.

No one claim PIS. Jobbing has nothing to do with the winner, only the loser. And character's words can be either false or Pissy too. Look at what Spiderman said about Sentry and Big G.

Funny how "infinite" power can be contained in a Force Block.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Funny how "infinite" power can be contained in a Force Block. I don't find it funny.

I don't find it funny at all.

Originally posted by Mindset
I don't find it funny.

I don't find it funny at all. Ya, that guy has an odd sense of humor.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually, it is a reality, Power Gem increases one's power infinitely. Now I know you are on some dope, trying to sell stuff to the VulcanData. This is a no no. If the gem increases one's power over time then it will never get to infinity no matter how fast the increase.
That's true. Some opinions don't mean anything not because they are opinions but because they are stupid. Odin will fell Thor with the PG with the easiest of gestures.
I agree. But why say 'with a thought"? This is only said when someone does something without any hint of effort. Thor obviously struggled a moment. So what you said wasn't false it was just a slick way for you to sell some garbage.
Not Jobbing but super jobbing. Strange can just blink the gem off Thor, stop time, etc. No need to blast Thor at all.
Only when the evidence is bullshit do I do this.
Some evidence is not though.
If you make a thread on WM Thor with the PG against any abstract (even Galactus) it will be closed for spite. So does Pip's dumba$$ opinion mean anything?

Hmm ... I wonder where you got the "1ton a second" line from,
was that a mistake, or "bullshit" as you like to title it?

Thanos said "With each passing second he becomes stronger"

Let's not add fallacies to the text friend. I'm not implying that Thor grows 1 ton a second. My point is that we don't know how fast his strength grows. And we judge strength only by feats or definition. So with lacking feats or definitions means lacking strength.
I wasn't commenting on this. But I say that this is also bullshit since power and strength isn't everything. Time, space, reality, mind, soul, etc. (something most high abstracts have control over) can easily fell power. Someone can just go back in time to prevent Thor from even getting the PG or even stop time. Someone can just blink the gem up off him. And that is why that was bullshit pure.
Some of your statements were false since you based them off of false information in the comics (the comic was false). Canon doesn't necessarily equal validity. Logical canon equals validity. If not then there would be no PIS, CIS, or SvFL rules, for they are still all canon (Marvel comics). Right?


And all this is moot anyway as a Sundipped Superman is way beyond a WM Thor with the PG is at the beginning anyway. A better thread would be Sundipped Superman vs. WM Thor with the PG but Thor has the PG long enough to equal Supes in strength before the fight starts. This would be interesting (maybe).

Actually since PG Thor has no low showings, none of his high showings can be considered PIS.

Originally posted by h1a8
No one claim PIS. Jobbing has nothing to do with the winner, only the loser. And character's words can be either false or Pissy too. Look at what Spiderman said about Sentry and Big G.
People believe that Spidey's words are PIS because Sentry has showings that indicate that he is below Galactus in power. PG Thor has no showing indicating that he is anything less then that which was stated in the comic. Thus, the showing cannot be dismissed as PIS or jobbing.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Actually since PG Thor has no low showings, none of his high showings can be considered PIS.

Who said anything about Thor? It was Strange and SS and others who were jobbing. Thor did what he was supposed to do. If someone fights me stupidly then I'm going to win against them every time.

No, that's incorrect. It's only jobbing if PG Thor was inferior. There is nothing suggesting he was.

Supes for the win, WM Thor would be fitghting it out like a moron.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Supes for the win, WM Thor would be fitghting it out like a moron. When did WM Thor ever fight like a moron? And when did OWAW-sundip Superman fight with the versatility he has been acclaimed for?

Versatility be damned. He moved Warworld. and he tanked Entropy. Thor can't top that.

Originally posted by King Kandy
No, that's incorrect. It's only jobbing if PG Thor was inferior. There is nothing suggesting he was.

PG Thor is inferior, by a vast amount. Do you know the things Strange can do to this Thor? SS can just use his speed to take the gem off right, or is it that his combat speed sucks?

Originally posted by h1a8

Now I know you are on some dope, trying to sell stuff to the VulcanData.
This is a no no.

If the gem increases one's power over time
then it will never get to infinity no matter how fast the increase.
Once it's fully harnessed, infinite power is acquired.

Thor was gaining control of the Gem gradually.

Everything Thor did, he did with limited access to the Power Gem's potential.
Originally posted by h1a8

That's true.
Some opinions don't mean anything not because they are opinions
but because they are stupid.
Hmm ... So Silver Surfer, who has experience against the Gems,
and who got his info from Warlock, is clueless?

And Gamora who personally wielded an Infinity Gem,
is making stupid comments,
although these comments are being made in front of Warlock
and Warlock who knows everything is to know about the Gems.

I don't see Warlock correcting her comments,
what I did see was Warlock stating the "Heavens would be imperiled"
"The Universe is in danger" because of Power Gem Thor.

Meh, although Warlock had recently been "God" ... what would he know?
Originally posted by h1a8

Odin will fell Thor with the PG with the easiest of gestures.
This is an opinion.

Odin and Thor never battled.
Originally posted by h1a8

I agree. But why say 'with a thought"? This is only said when someone does something without any hint of effort. Thor obviously struggled a moment. So what you said wasn't false it was just a slick way for you to sell some garbage.
If by "garbage" you mean the plain on panel facts?

I agree.
Originally posted by h1a8

Not Jobbing but super jobbing.
Strange can just blink the gem off Thor, stop time, etc.
No need to blast Thor at all.
Dr Strange has been owned before by the Power Gem.

Before the Thor incident,
Strange combined all his Talisman's as one (PREP) then tried to battle Warlock
who attacked Strange with just the Power Gem alone:

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/3659/s6cx9.th.jpg

"But Knowing in ADVANCE that Warlock Possessed it" (Power Gem)

"I had Arranged for ALL My TALISMANS to Act TOGETHER to COUNTERACT it"


http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/4613/s7it8.th.jpg

"Which even I KNOW, almost at once, CANNOT LONG ENDURE"

(and this is ONLY the Power Gem)

"Warlock STILL has NOT used his Sixth and Final Weapon"

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Strange reaches Warlock through his Soul Gem to communicate with him,
before annihilated:

http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/56/s8yh0.th.jpg

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Strange tells Warlock what's about to happen, and Warlock sees that it is true:

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This is Strange talking:

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/6055/s9me6.th.jpg

"He sees himself Victorious over me,
DESTROYING Me, as must certainly happen ANY moment Now"

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I suppose you'll dismiss this as "jobbing" or "bullshit." ..

Originally posted by h1a8

Only when the evidence is bullshit do I do this.
Some evidence is not though.
So,
the On Panel statements
that have been made about the Power Gem for nearly 20 years,
the On panel displays of it's power across several separate comic titles,
the official description of the Power Gem according to Marvel Handbooks/Marvel.com,
which all coincide, are all bullshit?

Cool
Originally posted by h1a8

If you make a thread on WM Thor with the PG against any abstract
(even Galactus) it will be closed for spite.
So does Pip's dumba$$ opinion mean anything?
Pip's "dumba$$ opinion is supported/corroborated by the embodiment of All Time:

Eternity!

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/470554_PG10.jpg

"Thor .... a danger ... to a good portion of ALL that is Infinity & myself"


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Originally posted by h1a8

I'm not implying that Thor grows 1 ton a second. My point is that we don't know how fast his strength grows. And we judge strength only by feats or definition. So with lacking feats or definitions means lacking strength.
Sounds like a spin.

It's simple, Thor was becoming more powerful by the second,
regardless of what that means in specifics, it definitely still means,
he's becoming more powerful by the second.
Originally posted by h1a8

I wasn't commenting on this. But I say that this is also bullshit since power and strength isn't everything. Time, space, reality, mind, soul, etc. (something most high abstracts have control over) can easily fell power. Someone can just go back in time to prevent Thor from even getting the PG or even stop time. Someone can just blink the gem up off him. And that is why that was bullshit pure.
I think you're underestimating the Power Gem.
Originally posted by h1a8

Some of your statements were false since you based them off of false information in the comics (the comic was false). Canon doesn't necessarily equal validity. Logical canon equals validity. If not then there would be no PIS, CIS, or SvFL rules, for they are still all canon (Marvel comics). Right?
Well, that's a matter of opinion.

The Power Gem had a history before Thor's madness,
and it was capable then, of what it was capable of during the WM Thor saga,
so I don't really see what is so false about what took place on panel.
Originally posted by h1a8

And all this is moot anyway as a Sundipped Superman is way beyond a WM Thor with the PG is at the beginning anyway. A better thread would be Sundipped Superman vs. WM Thor with the PG but Thor has the PG long enough to equal Supes in strength before the fight starts. This would be interesting (maybe).
Hmm ... perhaps, I slightly agree, although,
even though Thor wouldn't be able to win immediately,
Supes also wouldn't be able to hurt Thor,
the battle will prolong, and Thor will surpass him with time.

Imo.

Also, imo, fully harnessed Power Gem destroys Supes.

Originally posted by Grinning Goku
Superman gets ****ed up the ass.

Which sundipped Superman??
Kingdom Come Supes or Supes 1M?

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
Which sundipped Superman??
Kingdom Come Supes or Supes 1M? Neither.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Neither.
Then which is it?

Originally posted by occultdestroyer

Then which is it? OWAW.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer

Then which is it?
Current Supes with a Sundip I presume.

Hmmm..
Current supes is not as strong as he used to be, even after the sundip.
WM Thor w/ Power Gem takes this one, I guess.

Go read OWAW. You have no idea how strong Sundipped Supes is..........fear

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Go read OWAW. You have no idea how strong Sundipped Supes is..........fear
BTW what does OWAW stand for?

^

our worlds at war.

Oh I remember that series!
That's when Superman gained telepathy.
Yep, he was uber strong (all thanks to Loeb and company of course).

WM Thor w/ or w/o the PG gets his ass whooped.
Only Rune King Thor stands a chance.

No telepathy. I think that it was JJ mindlinking everyone if you read back over it. Yeah, Supes had some pretty good showings in this book, which was pretty much DC writing a Galactus vs. Superman and gang book.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
Yep, he was uber strong (all thanks to Loeb and company of course). yeah, he seemed far more uber than even his 'kismet-amped' version, which appeared in the same series.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
WM Thor w/ or w/o the PG gets his ass whooped.
Only Rune King Thor stands a chance. it's my opinion that this version of supes would have beaten pretty much anyone you put in front of him.

Originally posted by tsscls
No telepathy. I think that it was JJ mindlinking everyone if you read back over it. Yeah, Supes had some pretty good showings in this book, which was pretty much DC writing a Galactus vs. Superman and gang book.
Whoops. I was thinking of Supes 1M. my bad

Originally posted by Galan007
it's my opinion that this version of supes would have beaten pretty much anyone you put in front of him.
I don't remember much about OWAW. Read it years ago.
Was he vulnerable to Kryptonite?

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
I don't remember much about OWAW. Read it years ago.
Was he vulnerable to Kryptonite? unknown, as it was never used against him. i'd seriously doubt it's effectiveness against him though.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Go read OWAW. You have no idea how strong Sundipped Supes is..........fear Not strong enough to beat Thor here.

Thor would win, I wouldn't rank SD Supes above Kismet w/Supes

Originally posted by kevdude
I wouldn't rank SD Supes above Kismet w/Supes that's why i said he seemed more powerful. i mean.... he did.

Kismet Superman went to fight Imperiex Prime himself and tried an insane attack, SD Superman never did anything close to that, fighting Brainiac 13 while somewhat joined with him is not the same. Prob take some time to wear him out though

Originally posted by kevdude
Kismet Superman went to fight Imperiex Prime himself and tried an insane attack, SD Superman never did anything close to that, fighting Brainiac 13 while somewhat joined with him is not the same. Prob take some time to wear him out though B-13 was a greater threat than imperiex, but that's neither here nor there. again, i'm not saying SD supes was more powerful than kismet supes - it's just my opinion that he was, based on what we saw.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Versatility be damned. He moved Warworld. and he tanked Entropy. Thor can't top that.
Yeah because we all know Superman>Infinite Power.

Originally posted by h1a8
PG Thor is inferior, by a vast amount. Do you know the things Strange can do to this Thor? SS can just use his speed to take the gem off right, or is it that his combat speed sucks?
No. On Panel PG Thor>Strange. It is not PIS, he never did anything showing him to be less than Strange.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Once it's fully harnessed, infinite power is acquired.

Thor was gaining control of the Gem gradually.

Everything Thor did, he did with limited access to the Power Gem's potential. Whether this is true or not it is moot. Because Thor doesn't start off with infinite power and if he did Superman can just take the gem from him before he can think.
These are comic characters who don't exist. Thus their wisdom=wisdom of a foolish human. If they say something false then no amount of wisdom and knowledge they have can reverse the fact that what they said was false. For even the wisest being in the universe can say something stupid or false.

Now if God himself (of our universe) says that 2+2=17 then what he said is false. This means that a false statement is still false no matter who says it (even TOAA).
Based off what Strange can and has done he can easily beat the weakest of all Gems (the power gem). Thus evidence of him fighting stupidly doesn't prove anything but that he can indeed fight stupidly.

Originally posted by h1a8
Whether this is true or not it is moot. Because Thor doesn't start off with infinite power and if he did Superman can just take the gem from him before he can think.
These are comic characters who don't exist. Thus their wisdom=wisdom of a foolish human. If they say something false then no amount of wisdom and knowledge they have can reverse the fact that what they said was false. For even the wisest being in the universe can say something stupid or false.

Now if God himself (of our universe) says that 2+2=17 then what he said is false. This means that a false statement is still false no matter who says it (even TOAA).
Based off what Strange can and has done he can easily beat the weakest of all Gems (the power gem). Thus evidence of him fighting stupidly doesn't prove anything but that he can indeed fight stupidly. No,he cant. The Surfer didnt easily take the power gem. So,you assuming that a sundipped Supes could is ignorant.

They didnt say anything false here. Then you ramble on about something that makes no sense and has nothing to do with anything.


You calling the power gem the weakest is beyond ignorant.

Originally posted by Mr Master


Hmm ... perhaps, I slightly agree, although,
even though Thor wouldn't be able to win immediately,
Supes also wouldn't be able to hurt Thor,
the battle will prolong, and Thor will surpass him with time.

Imo.

Also, imo, fully harnessed Power Gem destroys Supes.

Assuming you mean Thor would still win if he is allowed to amp to Superman's level before the fight. I don't agree. If the gem increases one's durability equally with their strength then Superman should easily be able to hurt him since he can hurt someone that has his own strength. Also, speed kills.

Also remember, 2=5 is false even if Eternity says it is true.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Yeah because we all know Superman>Infinite Power.

False!
Also Thor doesn't start off with infinite power. It took him many hours
just to gain enough strength to be a threat of getting out of a Thano's forceblock. A better thread would be if Thor is allow to amp to Superman's level before the fight. Because when he starts off with the PG he would be way below a OWAW Superman.

Originally posted by King Kandy
No. On Panel PG Thor>Strange. It is not PIS, he never did anything showing him to be less than Strange.

Strange did everything to show his stupidity. Strange could easily transport the gem off him, stop time, reverse time, release his soul out of Thor's body, etc. Strange just decided to shoot weak blasts at him instead. This proves that Strange jobbed.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No,he cant. The Surfer didnt easily take the power gem. So,you assuming that a sundipped Supes could is ignorant.

They didnt say anything false here. Then you ramble on about something that makes no sense and has nothing to do with anything.


You calling the power gem the weakest is beyond ignorant.
SS didn't try. He rather choose to shoot energy blasts at Thor.
The PG being a threat to the entire universe is a false statement.
This is because most abstract beings (and there are many) in the universe can just blink the Gem away from Thor, stop or reverse time on Thor, take Thor's soul, etc. The Power gem is the weakest of all the Gems. Any other gem will own the power gem assuming equal knowledge with all of them.

Kandy, argue this thread however you want. But don't be a n00b. you and I both know that Classic Strange would wipe the floor with Thor and didn't use anywhere near his full abilities. Saying WM Thor>Strange is complete horseshit.

Classic Strange was skyfather on average, if not elder god/abstract at times.

Originally posted by h1a8
SS didn't try. He rather choose to shoot energy blasts at Thor.
The PG being a threat to the entire universe is a false statement.
This is because most abstract beings (and there are many) in the universe can just blink the Gem away from Thor, stop or reverse time on Thor, take Thor's soul, etc. The Power gem is the weakest of all the Gems. Any other gem will own the power gem assuming equal knowledge with all of them. The comic clearly showed he tried. the comic clearly showed Thor was well above him.

The power gem is what backs the ig user with infinite power. You calling it weak is laughable imo.

Originally posted by h1a8
Strange did everything to show his stupidity. Strange could easily transport the gem off him, stop time, reverse time, release his soul out of Thor's body, etc. Strange just decided to shoot weak blasts at him instead. This proves that Strange jobbed.
You can argue it's PIS until you're blue in the face, but on-panel PG Thor is just too powerful for Strange. The fact that his hammer absorbs magic doesn't hurt either.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Kandy, argue this thread however you want. But don't be a n00b. you and I both know that Classic Strange would wipe the floor with Thor and didn't use anywhere near his full abilities. Saying WM Thor>Strange is complete horseshit.

Classic Strange was skyfather on average, if not elder god/abstract at times.
Preposterous. His high showings were skyfather, but on the other hand, at the height of his power he was almost killed by Silver Dagger who is a weak-ass magician. Dracula actually did kill him and Strange could do nothing to put him down. A sentient star pwned him. Stygyro nearly beat him just by turning into a sea-monster. He is not skyfather. Not skyfather qat all.

WM Thor with PG is overrated he couldn't get out of a force cage, which is basically like a GL construct without the benefit of being strengthened by the will of the constructor. OWAW Superman would have smashed through every energy construct Thanos put in front of him, and smashed the mad titan as well.

wm thor easy

So you're saying it's weaker than a gl construct?

Originally posted by Allankles

WM Thor with PG is overrated he couldn't get out of a force cage
It didn't hurt Thor in the slightest though, it was but a momentary reprieve.

Remember, Thor was gradually gaining control of the Power Gem,
as he continued to gain access, he was able to further harness it's potential.

Thanos calculated that after 3 hours, Thor would've broken out,
and basically made it seem like Thor would become unstoppable.

In fact, Warlock stated that the Heavens would be imperiled,
the Universe itself, in danger.

Eternity itself stated
that Thor would become a threat to a good portion of all that is Infinity and itself.

That's wow, the Power Gem can be uber, if harnessed fully.

Originally posted by Mr Master


That's wow that's utter hyperbole

Thor doesn't have the brainpower to truly harness the power of the Gem

Originally posted by Starscream M

that's utter hyperbole

Thor doesn't have the brainpower to truly harness the power of the Gem
Perhaps, but on panel he was definitely gaining control,
of course the story stopped before he could reach truly significant levels,
but he did pwn Strange, Surfer and the Infinity Watch combined,
he also went toe to toe with Thanos, Thanos was tiring, Thor wasn't,
Thanos had to pull out the tech.

He even tricked Thanos though at one point while trapped in the force-cage,
imo, it seems that his madness made him, or was making him sharper somehow.

Still, harnessing the Gems has more to do with will, rather than brainpower,
and during Thor's madness, his will was very strong,
that was actually specifically mentioned. (about his will)

Originally posted by Mr Master

Still, harnessing the Gems has more to do with will, rather than brainpower,
and during Thor's madness, his will was very strong,
that was actually specifically mentioned. (about his will) I disagree

will is important, but without the necessary brainpower to focus that will and give it proper direction, one can't achieve beyond the basic amp that the gem provides

only one with the intelligence to delve beyond the superficial layers of power offered by the gem can fully explore such potential

so imo, intelligence far out-trumps will in harnessing the power of the gems

Originally posted by Starscream M

I disagree

will is important, but without the necessary brainpower to focus that will and give it proper direction, one can't achieve beyond the basic amp that the gem provides

only one with the intelligence to delve beyond the superficial layers of power offered by the gem can fully explore such potential

so imo, intelligence far out-trumps will in harnessing the power of the gems
You're making sense but I disagree.

In Marvel, harnessing items of great power has always come down to will.

In fact, the only reason TOAA selected Thanos
as the one to harness his power was specifically & literally because of his will:

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/687180_T.jpg

A will enhanced & fortified by his experiences wielding other items of uber power,
which he was also able to harness fully, because of his will,
like the CCU, like the Gems separately, and combined.

Originally posted by Mr Master
You're making sense but I disagree.

In Marvel, harnessing items of great power has always come down to will.

In fact, the only reason TOAA selected Thanos
as the one to harness his power was specifically & literally because of his will:

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/687180_T.jpg

A will enhanced & fortified by his experiences wielding other items of uber power,
which he was also able to harness fully, because of his will,
like the CCU, like the Gems separately, and combined. I would say that Thanos being chosen to wield the power of the gems almost singehandedly proves my point

Thanos' intelligence is virtually unrivaled in Marvel whereas many possess equal willpower to him (Wolverine, Captain America, etc)

Originally posted by Starscream M
I would say that Thanos being chosen to wield the power of the gems almost singehandedly proves my point

Thanos' intelligence is virtually unrivaled in Marvel whereas many possess equal willpower to him (Wolverine, Captain America, etc)
Good Post.

Originally posted by Allankles
WM Thor with PG is overrated he couldn't get out of a force cage, which is basically like a GL construct without the benefit of being strengthened by the will of the constructor. OWAW Superman would have smashed through every energy construct Thanos put in front of him, and smashed the mad titan as well. Uhm,Thor was a threat to Eternity and was getting stronger with each passing second. The forceblock was a temporary solution. When he broke out of it he was going to be too powerful for the combines might of Thanos,the Watch,and Strange to stop. Thats powerful, brah.

Supes was also easily contained in an energy field in dong.

Originally posted by Starscream M

I would say that Thanos being chosen to wield the power of the gems
almost singehandedly proves my point
I see, although he was chosen because of his will not intelligence.

You're confusing me.
Originally posted by Starscream M

Thanos' intelligence is virtually unrivaled in Marvel
whereas many possess equal willpower to him (Wolverine, Captain America, etc)
Thanos is definitely amongst the most intelligent, no doubt,
but Wolvy and Caps do not possess his will, no way,
and few if any, possess his will.

Magus was incredibly intelligent,
one could argue as, or even more intelligent than Thanos,
yet, Magus needed 5 CCUs to create a Universe,
while Thanos became an entire Universe with one.

Why you think Warlock was forced to give up the IG, because of intelligence?

Nah. Sooner or later his will would've succumbed to madness because of the power.
Unlike Thanos, who the LT accepted as the next lord over all that is,
because of his will to handle the power.

Just like why TOAA chose Thanos, on panel clearly stated:

"You were chosen because of your will Titan"

Originally posted by Starscream M
that's utter hyperbole

Thor doesn't have the brainpower to truly harness the power of the Gem His situation was analagous to the Collective in New Avengers. The more they fought him, the stronger he became, the more their attacks became useless. Physically, they were simply overmatched by his strength and power right from the start. Karmic blast? No. Dr. Strange's magic? No. Moondragon's Mind Gem + Thanos' machines? No. Force block? Worked at first, was deteriorating.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

His situation was analagous to the Collective in New Avengers. The more they fought him, the stronger he became, the more their attacks became useless. Physically, they were simply overmatched by his strength and power right from the start. Karmic blast? No. Dr. Strange's magic? No. Moondragon's Mind Gem + Thanos' machines? No. Force block? Worked at first, was deteriorating.


Thanos said he was getting stronger by the second.

Originally posted by quanchi112
How was Thor acting like a retard?

This Thor wasnt afflicted with warrior madness. Retard as in mad clearly his moves where not logically not that it matters anyway. The main point I was getting across was SS , Strange could have made better use of their powers like maybe use different tactics other than try to overpower Thor which was clearly not a wise choice.

Originally posted by kgkg

Strange could have made better use of their powers like maybe use different tactics other than try to overpower Thor which was clearly not a wise choice.
Strange used magic on Thor, and Thor turned his power against him.

The Power Gem seems to allow you to turn your enemies' powers against them.

Originally posted by kgkg
Retard as in mad clearly his moves where not logically not that it matters anyway. The main point I was getting across was SS , Strange could have made better use of their powers like maybe use different tactics other than try to overpower Thor which was clearly not a wise choice. You clearly dont understand all the advantages that the power gem brings to the table here. It doesnt just amp your strength.Originally posted by Mr Master
Strange used magic on Thor, and Thor turned his power against him.

The Power Gem seems to allow you to turn your enemies' powers against them.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Strange used magic on Thor, and Thor turned his power against him.

The Power Gem seems to allow you to turn your enemies' powers against them. He used his magic Directly at him though

why not try to Stop time etc use other means to take the power gem out would be the logical choice.

All the heroes just tired to brute force him

Originally posted by kgkg
He used his magic Directly at him though

why not try to Stop time etc use other means to take the power gem out would be the logical choice.

All the heroes just tired to brute force him Again how was Thor a retard? So far,your arguments hinges on the belief that his opposition acted foolish not Thor.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You clearly dont understand all the advantages that the power gem brings to the table here. It doesnt just amp your strength. Well it's didn't stop Thanos clearly it wasn't immune to everything strange or surfer could do.

Even if it's said Thor was getting stronger no reason Some of the tactics strange has used in the past not to work here.

Originally posted by kgkg
Well it's didn't stop Thanos clearly it wasn't immune to everything strange or surfer could do.

Even if it's said Thor was getting stronger no reason Some of the tactics strange has used in the past not to work here. Thanos makes the impossible very possible. He also had the durability to stave off Thor's attacks at the time. But,if Thor would have broken out of that force block they all would have been in trouble. No limits to the power gem.



Which tactics?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again how was Thor a retard? So far,your arguments hinges on the belief that his opposition acted foolish not Thor. exactly my point this opposition did not use the best tactic they had at there disposable.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos makes the impossible very possible. He also had the durability to stave off Thor's attacks at the time. But,if Thor would have broken out of that force block they all would have been in trouble. No limits to the power gem.



Which tactics? Go look at strange respect thread.

Stopping time and taking the gem comes to mind

No limits to the power gem? how does that matter again , if they removed the gem- problem solved

Originally posted by kgkg

He used his magic Directly at him though

why not try to Stop time etc use other means to take the power gem out would be the logical choice.

All the heroes just tired to brute force him
True,
but perhaps other than the Time Gem,
the Power Gem makes the wielder immune to time-based attacks,
or magic period, or any non-conventional attack at all.

Originally posted by kgkg

Go look at strange respect thread.

Stopping time and taking the gem comes to mind

No limits to the power gem? how does that matter again ,
if they removed the gem- problem solved
Hmm ... other than the time gem,
I've never seen anyone able to use a time-based attack on a power gem wielder.

Originally posted by kgkg
exactly my point this opposition did not use the best tactic they had at there disposable. So,then Thor wasnt acting like a retard.

Originally posted by kgkg
Go look at strange respect thread.

Stopping time and taking the gem comes to mind

No limits to the power gem? how does that matter again , if they removed the gem- problem solved If that were as easy as you make it sound why didnt they stop time by going straight to Chronos. If it were as easy as you say,then Eternity wouldnt have been shitting his pants.

Originally posted by Mr Master
True,
but perhaps other than the Time Gem,
the Power Gem makes the wielder immune to time-based attacks,
or magic period, or any non-conventional attack at all.

I don't even think it would need to get that complex. Thor got the gem by hitting Drax and getting him to spit it out. Thor had the gem on his forehead. Superman could easily remove it before Thor even knows what's going on similar to this:

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/9677/14ir7.th.jpghttp://img186.imageshack.us/img186/9330/15hw4.th.jpg

Superman removes multiple artifacts from Arion's body, fingers, hands, neck, arms..etc before he even realizes it... and this is AFTER Arion himself had amped himself up with speed.

A forehead gem would be far easier to remove. Then there is a sundipped Superman with a powergem vs Thor.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Hmm ... other than the time gem,
I've never seen anyone able to use a time-based attack on a power gem wielder. Stoping time doesn't have to be an attack just because Thor , or a wielder of certain gem resisted magic does not mean this won't work.

Unless you can shown otherwise , if Thor did reach this level of power he would have never been contained by Thanos.

and remember this is just one explain am using; speed blitz etc other things could have been used.

Maybe over time he would have gotten to this type of level.

Originally posted by quanchi112
If that were as easy as you make it sound why didnt they stop time by going straight to Chronos. Don't play the Why didn't they do it game it's a comic clearly the writers had different plan.

I can come up with millions of Why didn't they do it scenarios in Comics

Eternity feared the power of them Gem not Thor and clearly he wasn't that much of a threat at that point since Thanos contain him for a while.

It's like you know one of those if you let this guy loose he might be a big problem later on.

Could Eternity have stop him? of course thanos did it so clearly he was speaking of what could happen.

Again could Thor get to those level perhaps but from what little is shown

Originally posted by Avlon

I don't even think it would need to get that complex. Thor got the gem by hitting Drax and getting him to spit it out. Thor had the gem on his forehead. Superman could easily remove it before Thor even knows what's going on similar to this:

Superman removes multiple artifacts from Arion's body, fingers, hands, neck, arms..etc before he even realizes it... and this is AFTER Arion himself had amped himself up with speed.

A forehead gem would be far easier to remove. Then there is a sundipped Superman with a powergem vs Thor.
Cool feat, but I don't think it's that easy, imo.

Drax is dumb like an ox, and never harnesses the gem,
it works on him on an automatic basis like it did with Champion.

Thor was actually tapping into the gem's potential,
he was able to withstand and reverse a karmic soul attack by Warlock's gem,
and a mystic psychic blast, by Dr Strange.

And they weren't holding back, (stated) that's very impressive imo.

Originally posted by kgkg

Stoping time doesn't have to be an attack just because Thor ,
or a wielder of certain gem resisted magic does not mean this won't work.

Unless you can shown otherwise ,
if Thor did reach this level of power he would have never been contained by Thanos.
I said perhaps, I'm not even exactly sure,
I never speak in absolutes unless I believe I'm sure.

As far Thanos containing him,
Thor wasn't hurt in the slightest,
and it was temporary.

He would've broked out in under 3 hours,
and then become it seems unstoppable, he was already nigh-unstoppable,
it was only a matter of time.
Originally posted by kgkg

and remember this is just one explain am using; speed blitz etc other things could have been used.
I doubt a speed blitz would be affective, he basically can't be hurt.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I said perhaps, I'm not even exactly sure,
I never speak in absolutes unless I believe I'm sure.

As far Thanos containing him,
Thor wasn't hurt in the slightest,
and it was temporary.

He would've broked out in under 3 hours,
and then become it seems unstoppable, he was already nigh-unstoppable,
it was only a matter of time.

Ok perhaps am cool with that.

Speed bliltz to take the Gem

I think people are misunderstood what I originally said i proposed that This Thor could be stooped by Other means i.e Gem removal i never suggest he will get overpowered by superman

Originally posted by kgkg

Speed bliltz to take the Gem

I think people are misunderstood what I originally said i proposed that This Thor could be stooped by Other means i.e Gem removal i never suggest he will get overpowered by superman
I'm going to look into this a little bit further,
see if there's any mention concerning that maneuver.

Imo, if a gem is being harnessed, it can't just be taken off,
but I'll try and find some concrete proof that substantiates that.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I'm going to look into this a little bit further,
see if there's any mention concerning that maneuver.

Imo, if a gem is being harnessed, it can't just be taken off,
but I'll try and find some concrete proof that substantiates that. Yes that's a possibility but again like you said from my readings I didn't see anything like that. If you do find something please do post. (it has been years since I read that)

But I did see the gem being removed from people , and other could hardly harness it's power and were actually seemed weaker ( ie Champion)

Again seeing as one can steal the IG from someone, a Power Gem hardly seems invincible

Originally posted by kgkg

Yes that's a possibility but again like you said from my readings I didn't see anything like that. If you do find something please do post. (it has been years since I read that)

But I did see the gem being removed from people , and other could hardly harness it's power and were actually seemed weaker ( ie Champion)
Cool.
Originally posted by kgkg

Again seeing as one can steal the IG from someone, a Power Gem hardly seems invincible
No one can steal the IG from Thanos, unless Thanos gives it to ya,
like he did with Nebula.

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/687743_W1.jpg

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/687744_W2.jpg

Superman gets obliterated after a good fight.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Cool.

No one can steal the IG from Thanos, unless Thanos gives it to ya,
like he did with Nebula.

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/687743_W1.jpg

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/687744_W2.jpg Wasn't referring to Thanos but the IG itself can be removed if the wielder is dumb enough not to utilize it's power it can be taken away. SS nearly almost had Thanos (even though he had reduced his power vastly to give them a minor chance)although am not suggesting someone will be able to take a IG from a wilder who is even 1% serious but it can and has happened.

as for the power gem , I remember Thor taking it out of Drax although drax wasn't taping much into it , and i think thor got the the level where it couldn't be removed at that point in time.

Originally posted by kgkg
Don't play the Why didn't they do it game it's a comic clearly the writers had different plan.

I can come up with millions of Why didn't they do it scenarios in Comics

Eternity feared the power of them Gem not Thor and clearly he wasn't that much of a threat at that point since Thanos contain him for a while.

It's like you know one of those if you let this guy loose he might be a big problem later on.

Could Eternity have stop him? of course thanos did it so clearly he was speaking of what could happen.

Again could Thor get to those level perhaps but from what little is shown Uhm,Strange obviously tried and failed.

Eternity feared the power gem in THOR'S hands. He didnt feat the power gem in Drax's or anyone elses other than Thanos and the ig users.


Thanos temporarily stopped him. They still had to deal with Thor when he busted out of there. Thor was tapping the gem inside the force block. He also turned the tables when they attacked his mind. Saying Thor was retarded is completely ignoring the story and Thor's actions.

Thor had no limits and the whole point of the comic was to stop him before he gets to that level.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Uhm,Strange obviously tried and failed.
I am aware of that but they did not try to stop time , take the gem by speed or other means.

What they did try was to brute force him

Yet Thanos stoped him meaning Eternity could have stop him at that point in time and taken the Gem away if he was So much of a threat again Thanos stoping him proves my point that Thor wasn't at the level your claiming

I agree what am saying is that there is no indication that the Gem could not be removed

you keep ranting about how powerful Thor was getting am not denying that but you have yet to show why the Gem could not be removed.

The only things you came up with

"They tried" - NO they tried to brute force him
"eternity was scared" - Yet thanos contained him temporary

Again like i said before NOTHING showed that the Gem could not be snatched and thats the only argument am making

Originally posted by kgkg
I am aware of that but they did not try to stop time , take the gem by speed or other means.

What they did try was to brute force him

Yet Thanos stoped him meaning Eternity could have stop him at that point in time and taken the Gem away if he was So much of a threat again Thanos stoping him proves my point that Thor wasn't at the level your claiming

I agree what am saying is that there is no indication that the Gem could not be removed

you keep ranting about how powerful Thor was getting am not denying that but you have yet to show why the Gem could not be removed.

The only things you came up with

"They tried" - NO they tried to brute force him
"eternity was scared" - Yet thanos contained him temporary

Again like i said before NOTHING showed that the Gem could not be snatched and thats the only argument am making When has the power gem been taken by speed? Drax didnt even tap into the thing,thats why Thor took it off of him. If Drax was tapping into it at the time he would have mopped the floor with Thor. No limits.

Strange tried and failed. What else was he supposed to do? Seriously? He was also shocked when he learned Thanos had contained him.

Thanos temporarily stopped him. Thats the point. So,your telling me Eternity would encase him and then worry about him later. The problem hadnt been solved only delayed. Thanos also boosted the force block and knew he had less than three hours.

Strange and the rest tried and utterly failed. Thor was mopping the floor with them all. They teleported him to Thanos because they couldnt beat him. Thats the point. Thanos had a gadget on him that could temporarily stop Thor. You keep forgetting that Thor was still a very big problem to the entire universe.

You have to prove that speed can just snatch the power gem. Surfer has blazing speed and they didnt even try it.