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Why is Year Zero, Year Zero? Why did they decide that year should be Year Zero?

Now, at first I thought it was because that's Jesus' assumed birth date, but no. Jesus is said to have been born before then. Like around 2 to 7 BC.

So why is it Year Zero?

No, year Zero is not year zero. It has decencies of about 3 years. This is in the Rome Calender, of course which our Calender is made of. Gooooooooo Romans!!

To your second Q: Probably tampering in the religous field...

Ermm, okay. Can someone please answer the question?

Because there are NO records of Jesus' birth, so there is NO real zero?

Originally posted by Deja~vu
Because there are NO records of Jesus' birth, so there is NO real zero? But why did they choose that year to be year zero?

they didn't, there is no year zero. You go from 1 BC to 1 AD

Then why is 1 AD, 1 AD?

because it got picked out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_zero

Originally posted by lord xyz
Why is Year Zero, Year Zero? Why did they decide that year should be Year Zero?

Now, at first I thought it was because that's Jesus' assumed birth date, but no. Jesus is said to have been born before then. Like around 2 to 7 BC.

So why is it Year Zero?

That nowadays people assume he was born before 1 AD (if at all), doesn't really matter, when the Gregorian Calendar was passed 1 AD was the assumed date, and that's why we are stuck with it.

ROMANS RULE !!


Just a little Italia there....lol

Fair enough.

Seems kinda silly that people still go by it.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Fair enough.

Seems kinda silly that people still go by it.

Just about everyone follows it. Standards are needed so that there is less confusion.

Originally posted by Deja~vu
ROMANS RULE !!


Just a little Italia there....lol

Sicilians are better

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Just about everyone follows it. Standards are needed so that there is less confusion. What about the metric system?

the zerions faught the clingons in war the battle was so catastrophic that a new calendar was started from the day proclaimed DAY ZERO

Originally posted by lord xyz
What about the metric system? That falls nicely into that category.

Originally posted by Bardock42
That falls nicely into that category. I'm saying that people used to use imperial, and they switched to metric, why can't same be done for the years?

Originally posted by lord xyz
I'm saying that people used to use imperial, and they switched to metric, why can't same be done for the years? What would be the reason?

Originally posted by Bardock42
What would be the reason?

consistency

Originally posted by Stealth Agent
consistency Elaborate.

Originally posted by Bardock42
What would be the reason? Religious neutrality, for one.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Religious neutrality, for one. Which year would you choose as new starting point then?

I wonder if they had a big New Era party back then

Originally posted by lord xyz
Religious neutrality, for one.

If you can find me a person who feels oppressed by the current calender system . . . I'll make sure he/she can never breed.

Lame thread that could have been answered using google?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Which year would you choose as new starting point then? Somewhere around 4300 BC. When the age of Taurus started and/or when civilisation started. You know, Babylon, Sumer. I don't know the exact date, but it's roughly 6000 years ago.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Somewhere around 4300 BC. When the age of Taurus started and/or when civilisation started. You know, Babylon, Sumer. I don't know the exact date, but it's roughly 6000 years ago.

lol

ok, but "the age of Taurus" is just as religious as using 0, AD and BC

also, the origins of civilization date back over 30000 years. You are talking about the birth of great empires and writing/technology that survived until modern day

Originally posted by lord xyz
What about the metric system?

It doesn't take the Earth 100 rotations to go round the Sun...thats why.

Originally posted by inimalist
lol

ok, but "the age of Taurus" is just as religious as using 0, AD and BC

also, the origins of civilization date back over 30000 years. You are talking about the birth of great empires and writing/technology that survived until modern day I don't think it's religious, but anyway, it was just a suggestion.

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
It doesn't take the Earth 100 rotations to go round the Sun...thats why. What?

How can you make a year fit into a metric system?

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
How can you make a year fit into a metric system? I don't know. How can you?

Originally posted by lord xyz
I don't know. How can you?

You're the one who wanted to introduce metric time.

Originally posted by lord xyz
I don't think it's religious, but anyway, it was just a suggestion.

how are astrological ages not based on a subjective belief as the birth of Christ? Maybe religion was the wrong thing to allude to, but it is just as supernatural and spiritual.

Taurus is a star sign. It means nothing except that people saw starts (which might not be close to each other in any respect aside from the 2d representation as seen from Earth) and were able to interpret pictures.

"Taurus" coming of age is no more or less important than the movement of 2d star formations which we do not have a name for. Its an entirely anthropic construct related to pre-civilization beliefs about what stars were.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Somewhere around 4300 BC. When the age of Taurus started and/or when civilisation started. You know, Babylon, Sumer. I don't know the exact date, but it's roughly 6000 years ago.

And the billions of people who will be inconvenienced by this will do this just because is edgy and new age?

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
You're the one who wanted to introduce metric time. No I wasn't. Look again.

Originally posted by inimalist
how are astrological ages not based on a subjective belief as the birth of Christ? Maybe religion was the wrong thing to allude to, but it is just as supernatural and spiritual. I think Astrology is more of a mind map, to keep track of events like eclipses and equinoxes.

Originally posted by inimalist
Taurus is a star sign. It means nothing except that people saw starts (which might not be close to each other in any respect aside from the 2d representation as seen from Earth) and were able to interpret pictures. So?

Originally posted by inimalist
"Taurus" coming of age is no more or less important than the movement of 2d star formations which we do not have a name for. Its an entirely anthropic construct related to pre-civilization beliefs about what stars were. I don't think it was a supernatural belief. There isn't evidence to suggest that. There isn't even evidence that people though the Earth was flat.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Now, at first I thought it was because that's Jesus' assumed birth date, but no. Jesus is said to have been born before then. Like around 2 to 7 BC.
It WAS his assumed birth date, we just have recalculated since then.

Originally posted by lord xyz
I think Astrology is more of a mind map, to keep track of events like eclipses and equinoxes.

astronomy

Originally posted by lord xyz
So?

so, there is no real reason to change the way things are dated. If your line is as objectively arbitrary as the Christian one, there is no reason to redefine timelines. Like, the Chinese and the Arabs have their own calendar. Guess what they are converting to

Originally posted by lord xyz
I don't think it was a supernatural belief. There isn't evidence to suggest that.

which isn't a supernatural belief? In what you quoted I described the constellation as an anthropic construct, meaning it only has significance to man, and then, only because we believe certain things about it.

Originally posted by lord xyz
There isn't even evidence that people though the Earth was flat.

the flat earth society?

what point are you trying to make even? There is no significance to the "Age of Taurus" outside of the importance you give it because of what you believe. It is the exact same as Jesus' birth. Any date chosen from history as day 0 will have this problem, thus, there is no reason to change in an attempt to avoid it.

If it bothers you so much just call it Common Era...I hear some eccentrics enjoy that.

I see your point inimalist.

CE is okay, I guess, since it is the date that is most common.

Originally posted by lord xyz
I see your point inimalist.

CE is okay, I guess, since it is the date that is most common.

Its the exact same system dates, but with a different name...

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
Its the exact same system dates, but with a different name...

But it's "cool" and "anti-establishment".

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
But it's "cool" and "anti-establishment".

touche salesman

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
touche salesman

I thought that was a Catholic thing

Then again, I don't like the idea of saying to my kids that the reason we say 2020 or whatever, is because some people believe some magical guy was born 2020 years ago, and then tell them the lie that is christianity.

Not that I'd think they'd convert to christianity, or that I think them converting to christianity would make them of an evil agenda, but I don't like the idea of a society taking an adaptation of a lie.

Though, I don't know a reasonable alternative, I'm sure there are people here who understand my concern.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Then again, I don't like the idea of saying to my kids that the reason we say 2020 or whatever, is because some people believe some magical guy was born 2020 years ago, and then tell them the lie that is christianity.

Not that I'd think they'd convert to christianity, or that I think them converting to christianity would make them of an evil agenda, but I don't like the idea of a society taking an adaptation of a lie.

Or you could tell them it's an arbitrary system based originally on the faith of a group of people that was totally dominant when it was created and has been kept simply for the sake of convenience.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Though, I don't know a reasonable alternative, I'm sure there are people here who understand my concern.

There is no reasonable concern to be had. If your scared by our systems of numbering the years the way we got names for the days would make you shit yourself.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Then again, I don't like the idea of saying to my kids that the reason we say 2020 or whatever, is because some people believe some magical guy was born 2020 years ago, and then tell them the lie that is christianity.

Not that I'd think they'd convert to christianity, or that I think them converting to christianity would make them of an evil agenda, but I don't like the idea of a society taking an adaptation of a lie.

Though, I don't know a reasonable alternative, I'm sure there are people here who understand my concern.

i can understand that, and feel largely the same way about Christmas

my advice is just explain it to your kids as honestly as you can, tell them your opinion, and let them decide. I'm sure they will understand that it isn't practical

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
There is no reasonable concern to be had. If your scared by our systems of numbering the years the way we got names for the days would make you shit yourself.

It's a good point. Our years are based on Christian mythology, our months on Roman and out days on Germanic. At least we are fair to our cultural influences, eh?

Who cares...if we keep changing our dating systems to go with modern accept thought- it will have to be revised every few generations...

Don't fix it if its not broken.

Not to mention, all the historical stuff from the last 2008 years would be knocked totally out of sync. Then when the time-system is changed again, all our dates will be knocked out of sync.

It will make it very difficult.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Then again, I don't like the idea of saying to my kids that the reason we say 2020 or whatever, is because some people believe some magical guy was born 2020 years ago, and then tell them the lie that is christianity.

Not that I'd think they'd convert to christianity, or that I think them converting to christianity would make them of an evil agenda, but I don't like the idea of a society taking an adaptation of a lie.

Though, I don't know a reasonable alternative, I'm sure there are people here who understand my concern.

Jesus just called me. He's very confused about you use of the word "lies". I told him that it's just an angry 17 year old who's bored.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Jesus just called me. He's very confused about you use of the word "lies". I told him that it's just an angry 17 year old who's bored.

Jesus just called me and said you were lying because he doesn't have a phone.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Jesus just called me and said you were lying because he doesn't have a phone.

You thought he called me with a phone?

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Originally posted by dadudemon
Jesus just called me. He's very confused about you use of the word "lies". I told him that it's just an angry 17 year old who's bored. I'm 16, ***.

It's the way it is because the pope say so. DON' MESS WITH THE POPE!

(Try to imagine Mr. T saying that)

Originally posted by dadudemon
Lame thread that could have been answered using google?

And I suppose the Tupac vs Biggie-which side are you on? Thread is something we need to see more of?

This is actually a decent thread and not a bad question.