Scoob & Leo: Old's Cool
The Mandarin + Spiral + Brit + Century = Hex
Magik & Alfred are solo.
Battle Post #3
Originally posted by Faux Smurph
Scoob and Leo want to:
Use a character that:
Can't astrally project, to astrally project.
Go intangible... to go intangible.
Can't do anything close to complex organic matter manip... to do exactly that.
Has never been shown to use the soulsword, to use the soulsword.
You're confused, we have 616 Magik, this was all cleared up in the draft thread.
Lots of characters who have never held the soul sword before use it perfectly well.
Intangible scan was already shown, your interpretation is the only thing to suggest that dimensionally shifting mass isn't the same thing that Martian Manhunter does when he "phases".
Matter manip, already showed mutating Storm into a Mojo like character instantly, there's also this:
http://img55.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncanny46104mj0.jpg
http://img55.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncanny46105bo8.jpg
I also posted scans of Mandarin turning men into stone. Here those stone men are still mobile:
http://img229.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stoneab9.jpg
Originally posted by Faux Smurph
You assume, despite the fact that they come from an alternate dimension, are a completely separate branch of Kree, and have no on panel display of vast history, that this would overload us.
And you assume they are so different from the regular Kree ... Noh Varr recognised Mar-Vell instantly when they met (Skrull Mar-Vell, but he still knew him)
It's also stated that their Plex system is directly derived from the Supreme Intelligence - just another coincidence?
Originally posted by Faux Smurph
The fact is, Nimrod may not be as advanced, but he can become as advanced as he needs to.
And Nimrod can always adapt his body to overcome any physical limits.
Sounds like a lot of PIS to me, if he could truly, TRULY, advance without limit, he'd be a God. All tech has limits, Nimrod has been beaten enough times to not escape that little fact.
Originally posted by Faux Smurph
Ever since his powers became part of his body, he's been able to do all these things at will... shrink and grow other objects with a touch.
Pym lost his ability to alter the state of other objects years/decades ago ... the only things he can alter these days are objects he has specifically pre-treated with Pym particles ... which you have no access to.
Originally posted by Faux Smurph
And Nimrod is also incredibly far advanced beyond Starktech.
Like ... low meta level? that IS the lowest power level that could be described as "incredibly" beyond Starktech.
Originally posted by Faux Smurph
Even if we couldn't grow the main device, even if we couldn't just alter its settings, even if we couldn't copy the device, we can still just hit you with the one that Noh-Varr used in those scans.
No, no you can't ... because that would be bringing >> Iron Man level tech into the battle ... and as I've never seen Stark create a device that shatters adamantium with a touch I'm fairly sure this thing is over the limits.
Face it, the PB plan is a non-starter.
Originally posted by Faux Smurph
it's Nimrod. He's already shown tech that can instantly update itself as soon as a timeline is altered. Tech that can overcome Juggernaut's defenses with ease, and alter to any given situation based on need.
Hmm ... if any of that were true it would definitely mean that you just drafted an illegal character.
If it's not true then how can we believe anything you post?
Originally posted by Faux Smurph
He likely already has scanners built in for this. Or he can make them in seconds.
Scans?
Originally posted by Faux Smurph
And Scoob thinks we'll need more than 8 minutes...
Considerably more ... if it were possible at all (which it isn't)
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To save space I'm just going to ignore the points from this other post of Smurph's that involve using the Pocket Battlefield (PB) as we've focused on that enough already.
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Originally posted by Faux Smurph
Ironman has been shown to have power reservoirs that can laugh off Human Torch's nova blast, that can fire off heat that exceeds that of the sun, and that can completely drain Doc Doom, a low herald, in a page or so.
And you're comparing that to Spiral's feats of doing... what?
It's not about electrical energy, it's just "power" (which in comic terms comes in lots of different forms) Spiral clearly has "power" the soulsword will amplify this, this will then be added to the extra "power" we'll be drawing from Century & Parallax (his staff)
Or did you think the dragons who pointed all of this out (in the scans provided) were going to go put on armour before using the rings?
Originally posted by Faux Smurph
Ironically, even if you pulled off something greater than what was shown in that scan, it wouldn't matter. After the initial blast, we'd simply adapt to the rest of the heat
After reality (which you are a part of) gets ripped apart ... you'll just heal?
Is that why Nimrod has never been defeated before? ... oh, never mind, I just remembered that he has been defeated ... many, many times.
Originally posted by Faux Smurph
Also, your amalgam, according to your write-up, has the rings infused in its spine... so creating such a huge blast would just rip through your own body.
The power from the rings still comes out of Mandarin's hands when the rings have been bonded to his spine:
http://img502.imageshack.us/my.php?image=43168490rc8.jpg
http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/7406/29974678iz6.th.jpg
Originally posted by Faux Smurph
Mandarin was also using the Orb of Darkness, his own rings (which are unusable, as they're in your spine), and prep to reach this height of power.
The Orb was used to create the null tech field and help him create zombie golem things, not much else. Doesn't matter though, we're not doing any of the stuff from that storyline here, we're just harnessing power from other devices/power to amp our overall output.
Nothing about the placement of the rings limits their power ... on the contrary it probably increases their effectiveness due to them being, literally, a part of him.
Originally posted by Faux Smurph
Plus, we're unleashing omnidirectional blasts with Vector... so any teleporters you unleash can be immediately repelled and flayed.
Alfred is only a distraction, flay away.
Originally posted by Faux Smurph
We can also concentrate these blasts to become something that flayed Hulk alive, back when Vector was human sized, and didn't have Nimrod's body to power himself up with.
Good thing for him that Hulk is somewhat limited in attack options or he'd have been dead on that occasion, we don't need to walk through power blasts like a moron to affect our enemies.
Originally posted by Faux Smurph
This is all assuming, of course, that they can do half of what they've claimed
Ummmmmmmmm.......
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To save space I'm just going to ignore the points from Blair's post that involve using the Pocket Battlefield (PB) as we've focused on that enough already.
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Originally posted by Blair Wind
And yet you want to use magic to teleport (with the staff or Spirals magic). Magic would be nulled based on Vectors field AND the Pocket Battlefield we are inhibiting. ALSO to hamper you would be the fact that Nimrod can detect when teleporters teleport:
http://img338.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxm194page16sq3.jpg
He has to detect teleportation signatures, is there any proof that he can detect magical energies? also, Kurt's teleporting has been detected by relatively average speed guys like Wolverine and Beast before, his "Bamfs" aren't instant and there's an implosion of air before he appears, neither Spiral nor Century suffer from this drawback.
Originally posted by Blair Wind
He wants to do a great big attack using Mandarin's rings right? Heres what happens when physics/probabilities shift and he's trying a normal blast:
http://img228.imageshack.us/my.php?image=forceworksv100718roughezs8.jpg
It took Mandarin quite some time to recover. Imagine him trying that in the Pocket Battlefield without adjusting to the physics.
The only people in any danger there were the ones around Mandarin ... even if the PB trick was possible (which it so definitely is not) the only ones in trouble from that would still be your own team.
I guess the PB stuff was the largest part of their strategy. It's almost a pity that it has zero chance of success.