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Would this be a good match?

No, all these "god" fights are annoying.

DC fans fail.

Stalemate?

Probably a stalemate

So what was the biggest bad ass feat Great Beast did?

Well anyways PR Beyonder wins 10/10

Originally posted by vansonbee
So what was the biggest bad ass feat Great Beast did?

Well anyways PR Beyonder wins 10/10
So let me get this straight..
You basically know NOTHING about GEB,
yet you assume Beyonder is greater than GEB??

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
So let me get this straight..
You basically know NOTHING about GEB,
yet you assume Beyonder is greater than GEB??
sure why not? PR Beyonder was so powerful that all being in universe bow down to him. He million time more powerful then LT. Don't tell me Great Beast is more powerful then the mighty Elaine? Mr. M prove like wise.

There's like 2 'good' posts in this entire thread...

Originally posted by Mindset
No, all these "god" fights are annoying. Originally posted by occultdestroyer
So let me get this straight..
You basically know NOTHING about GEB,
yet you assume Beyonder is greater than GEB??


Why does this thread have to suck so much?

Originally posted by Red Hulk

There's like 2 'good' posts in this entire thread...

Why does this thread have to suck so much?
Yours makes 3, and mine saluting yours makes 4.

Originally posted by cloud102
Would this be a good match?

Nothing with PR beyonder in it is a good match, because the guy had no weaknesses, no limitations, and ran rings around every being in existence while holding back the VAST majority of his powers...just because he could.

I'd be more than happy to never see him in another forum fight ever again.

Originally posted by Space M ummy
Nothing with PR beyonder in it is a good match, because the guy had no weaknesses, no limitations, and ran rings around every being in existence while holding back the VAST majority of his powers...just because he could.

I'd be more than happy to never see him in another forum fight ever again. AMEN!

PR Beyonder FTW. GEB is crazy powerful but the beyonder is millions of times more powerful

Originally posted by Mighty Saxon
PR Beyonder FTW. GEB is crazy powerful but the beyonder is millions of times more powerful
I thought the GEB was truly infinitely powerful. You can't be millions of times more powerful than that. DC doesn't have marvel's dumb levels of infinity rule.

Pr beyonder wins.

Originally posted by fangirl101
I thought the GEB was truly infinitely powerful. You can't be millions of times more powerful than that. DC doesn't have marvel's dumb levels of infinity rule. That why Beyonder was depowered by Marvel...

The Beast eats him alive, fanboys with there PR Beyonder garbage

Originally posted by kevdude
The Beast eats him alive, fanboys with there PR Beyonder garbage Based on?

Originally posted by vansonbee
That why Beyonder was depowered by Marvel...
Was he really depowered? Or was everyone else simply given more power? Think about it. What feats had the lt done back then that were multiversal? According to marvel these days, the lt exist in all multiverses simulteneously. There was only one multiverse back then. So surely the LT wasn't as powerful was he? The PR beyonder is a joke. I always found him to be idiotic.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Was he really depowered? Or was everyone else simply given more power? Think about it. What feats had the lt done back then that were multiversal? According to marvel these days, the lt exist in all multiverses simulteneously. There was only one multiverse back then. So surely the LT wasn't as powerful was he? The PR beyonder is a joke. I always found him to be idiotic. That your opinion, but overall Beyonder feats / storyline show he is superior to other cosmic being of Marvel and DC. You said that everyone else seem more powerful in marvel because now days, All character more have detail stories and plot. As the patron get more connected with the comic. Plus this is back 1970's when he look real cool with his Disco Stu look dancing on top powerful being like The Great Beast or anything come his wayafro

Originally posted by vansonbee
THat your opinion, but overall Beyonder feats / storyline show he is superior to other cosmic being of Marvel and DC. Plus this is back 1970's when he look real cool with his Disco Stu look dancing on top powerful being like The Great Beast or anything come his wayafro
His feats? You know mr. mxy pwns entire realities that he's created. His comic book collection is actually entire realities. Mr. mxy has bfr'd the living embodiment of everything. He's wiped away all the dcu multiverses and set them back. He's breached the fourth wall and knows who the readers are and what he is. He actualy beat the spectre on panel. And his power retconned and event. And that is just for starters. The LT has fashoned two megaverses in his hand. obviously far larger than a multiverse. He sits in judgement over the marvel omniverse. Thanos has wiped away everything with the heart of the universe and then set it all back. The PR beyonder's feats are not beyond some of today's comic cosmics.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Based on?

Based on the fact it was here before God and is his exact opposite, everything springs forth from The Presence in Creation even Death, Destiny, The Beyonder had to trick M Death into killing herself then with all his power couldn't remake her, makes sense?? Yes because he was not the real Marvel God(TOAA).

Originally posted by vansonbee
That your opinion, but overall Beyonder feats / storyline show he is superior to other cosmic being of Marvel and DC. You said that everyone else seem more powerful in marvel because now days, All character more have detail stories and plot. As the patron get more connected with the comic. Plus this is back 1970's when he look real cool with his Disco Stu look dancing on top powerful being like The Great Beast or anything come his wayafro

Originally posted by kevdude
Based on the fact it was here before God and is his exact opposite, everything springs forth from The Presence in Creation even Death, Destiny, The Beyonder had to trick M Death into killing herself then with all his power couldn't remake her, makes sense?? Yes because he was not the real Marvel God(TOAA). TOAA is the person creating the story. Lets keep this to on panel creations.

Beyonder lowered himself and still was well beyond the entire marvel multiverse. Beyonder wins this easily imo.

Originally posted by quanchi112
TOAA is the person creating the story. Lets keep this to on panel creations.

Beyonder lowered himself and still was well beyond the entire marvel multiverse. Beyonder wins this easily imo.

TOAA is not the person creating the story, it is how they saw TOAA/God even in Spiderman we saw TOAA and he looked completely different . How foolish would it be since DC has the Jewish/Christian God as there top being and everyone running around saying its above everything else because he's based off the real world, we could do that if you want..

The Beyonder before he went into the MU had all his power and still couldn't understand it, that's the main reason why he wanted to 'walk the path' of the real God but he isn't and never will be!

Originally posted by kevdude
TOAA is not the person creating the story, it is how they saw TOAA/God even in Spiderman we saw TOAA and he looked completely different . How foolish would it be since DC has the Jewish/Christian God as there top being and everyone running around saying its above everything else because he's based off the real world, we could do that if you want..

The Beyonder before he went into the MU had all his power and still couldn't understand it, that's the main reason why he wanted to 'walk the path' of the real God but he isn't and never will be! TOAA is the person creating the story. TOAA can choose to represent themselves in any way they see fit in their own story.

Again,no one in marvel could defeat a fully powered Beyonder save Thanos with the heart imo. Beyonder was supreme on panel while the geb wasnt. Beyonder has better feats as well than the geb.

Originally posted by kevdude
Based on the fact it was here before God and is his exact opposite, everything springs forth from The Presence in Creation even Death, Destiny, The Beyonder had to trick M Death into killing herself then with all his power couldn't remake her, makes sense?? Yes because he was not the real Marvel God(TOAA).


As noted before, everything the beyonder did during secret wars was accomplished with him LIMITING himself to a fraction of his true power.

and in discussing Pre-Retcon beyonder, you have to consider that prior to the retcon, the cosmic entities shown were pretty much all that there was. There was no infinity gauntlet. there was no HOTU. There was no TOAA. The multiverse and all contained within were ALL THAT WAS to the marvel universe, and outside of that was the beyond realm.

You can't bring up entities that didn't exist pre-retcon when discussing PR beyonder. Saying "he's not TOAA" makes no sense since TOAA as a concept wasn't valid back then. Everything that could have shown up to stop PR beyonder did, and all of them failed.

As stated, numerous times throughout secret wars and in separate interviews with the creator (shooter) the beyond realm (and thus the beyonder's power) was MILLIONS OF TIMES greater than the marvel multiverse (again, Pre retcon this is ALL of marvel and everything in it) combined.

simply put, the beyonder WAS god of his own reality many many many times greater than the marvel multiverse. He couldn't be killed, couldn't be stopped, and anything he wanted to do, he did. There's no way to mount a debate against this kind of character. Can we lock these threads now, please?

Originally posted by Space M ummy
As noted before, everything the beyonder did during secret wars was accomplished with him LIMITING himself to a fraction of his true power.

and in discussing Pre-Retcon beyonder, you have to consider that prior to the retcon, the cosmic entities shown were pretty much all that there was. There was no infinity gauntlet. there was no HOTU. There was no TOAA. The multiverse and all contained within were ALL THAT WAS to the marvel universe, and outside of that was the beyond realm.

You can't bring up entities that didn't exist pre-retcon when discussing PR beyonder. Saying "he's not TOAA" makes no sense since TOAA as a concept wasn't valid back then. Everything that could have shown up to stop PR beyonder did, and all of them failed.

As stated, numerous times throughout secret wars and in separate interviews with the creator (shooter) the beyond realm (and thus the beyonder's power) was MILLIONS OF TIMES greater than the marvel multiverse (again, Pre retcon this is ALL of marvel and everything in it) combined.

simply put, the beyonder WAS god of his own reality many many many times greater than the marvel multiverse. He couldn't be killed, couldn't be stopped, and anything he wanted to do, he did. There's no way to mount a debate against this kind of character. Can we lock these threads now, please?
And What exactly could this beyonder do to the GEB? So becuz no one at the time was more than mutliversal, means that the beyonder couldn't be killed or couldn't be killed by those multiversal beings?

Originally posted by fangirl101
And What exactly could this beyonder do to the GEB? So becuz no one at the time was more than mutliversal, means that the beyonder couldn't be killed or couldn't be killed by those multiversal beings?

That's the point I'm trying to make. the beyonder could do whatever he wanted to anyone with no limitations. The only restrictions he ran up against in secret wars were self imposed.

As written, anything that existed in the marvel universe was irrelevant to the beyonder, since the realm that he represented was infinitely larger- as a drop of water to an entire ocean, I believe the phrase was. There was no "omniversal" back then- there was the multiverse, and there was the beyond realm, and that was it.

If the beyonder wanted to turn the multiverse into a bushel of apples then hey, he could do it because the beyond realm >>>>>>>> the marvel multiverse.

It's a BAD CHARACTER to use in debates, since it could not be and was not defeated by anything in existence.

The "retcon" in "pre retcon beyonder" was not only necessary to depower the beyonder, but also established things outside of the marvel multiverse "fixing" a lot of the bad universal/multiversal/etc arguments that made the beyonder ludicrously powerful.

Originally posted by kevdude

The Beyonder had to trick M Death into killing herself
False.

Beyonder never tricked Death into doing anything.

Beyonder summoned the Death with a gesture,
then made the drink right before her eyes,
he even explained how it was going to kill her, and how the reality would change:

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/759122_B1.jpg

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/759123_B2.jpg
Originally posted by kevdude

then with all his power couldn't remake her, makes sense??
No, how can it make sense when talking about something that never happened in comics?

"All his power" ...
Beyonder was limiting himself by the second issue, in the off-tie-in.

On top of that, if he couldn't remake her, how did she come back?

Come on Kev, cut the jokes, other may take you serious.

When all the power in the Multiverse combined (including MM & LT's)
was UNABLE to kill anything across infinity, because there was no Death:

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/759133_B5.jpg


Only Beyonder was able to kill something, thus re-creating Death.

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/759134_B6.jpg

Mind you, this is limited Beyonder, not any "all his power" googoo.
Originally posted by kevdude

Yes because he was not the real Marvel God(TOAA).
No one said he was.

Shooter was the real Marvel God (TOAA)

Shooter created the Beyonder and the entire Secret Wars series,
and according to Shooter, Beyonder was his own God, within his own reality,
and his reality was like an ocean,
while the Marvel infinite Multiverse was like a drop of water in comparison.

?yawn?

Originally posted by kevdude

TOAA is not the person creating the story,
it is how they saw TOAA/God
False.

God from FF#511 is canon, referenced in detail across two official Marvel FF bios.

And according to Marvel.com, TOAA was the cat in FF#511,
and it was an artists that toils with his drawings, he also has a collaborator. (writer)
Originally posted by kevdude

even in Spiderman we saw TOAA and he looked completely different
And? God can take any form he wishes, it only takes a pencil and ink.

btw. I see where you're going, did you read Spiderman #40?

Because that was the Writer that popped up on panel as a "bum."
Originally posted by kevdude

How foolish would it be since DC has the Jewish/Christian God as there top being and everyone running around saying its above everything else because he's based off the real world, we could do that if you want..
Unfortunately it's not based off of the real world.

It's an adaptation twisted every way around.
Therefore it has absolutely nothing to with the real Jewish/Christian God based on the Bible.

Lucifer and Michael are his sons? And favorites at that?
God is "shaped by external forces?

dontgetit
Originally posted by kevdude

The Beyonder before he went into the MU had all his power
and still couldn't understand it, that's the main reason why he wanted to 'walk the path' of the real God but he isn't and never will be!
My advice? Read Secret Wars II and it's tie-ins,
then we'll discuss the Beyonder, cause you're just playing around Kev.

Originally posted by fangirl101
I thought the GEB was truly infinitely powerful. You can't be millions of times more powerful than that. DC doesn't have marvel's dumb levels of infinity rule.

Sorry to say but its kind of the other way around. Marvel has its dumb moments but they do it with a selected few that are usually not around earth and far from it. Beyonder isn't even from Marvel.

In Dc they had Superman. He was suppose to be the first with powers however he was just plain stupid at one point. He can clean a wooden floor with his hair which was as hard as steel? He had rainbow powers? He had super kissing? Cmon Marvel gone that far with the power level.

Originally posted by kakuzu
Sorry to say but its kind of the other way around. Marvel has its dumb moments but they do it with a selected few that are usually not around earth and far from it. Beyonder isn't even from Marvel.

In Dc they had Superman. He was suppose to be the first with powers however he was just plain stupid at one point. He can clean a wooden floor with his hair which was as hard as steel? He had rainbow powers? He had super kissing? Cmon Marvel gone that far with the power level.
Um the beyonder appeared on panel in secret wars. A marvel publication. he is from marvel. They own the rights to him. he's from marvel.

Originally posted by fangirl101

Um the beyonder appeared on panel in secret wars. A marvel publication. he is from marvel. They own the rights to him. he's from marvel.
The Beyond-Realm was everything out side of the Marvel Reality.

There's everything in the entire Marvel Universe and there's the Beyond-Realm.

Yea, Beyonder is a Marvel character, but within the comic book stories,
he was from another creation, completely separate and disconnected
from anything that ever took place in the Marvel Universe, including it's creation.

When the Marvel Universe was created for the first time by the Infinity Being,
Beyonder was already there in the Beyond-Realm, because he always was, like God,
he was always the embodiment of his own infinite creation.

This is why he didn't notice the drop of water located outside his ocean.

Originally posted by Mr Master
False.

Beyonder never tricked Death into doing anything.

Beyonder summoned the Death with a gesture,
then made the drink right before her eyes,
he even explained how it was going to kill her, and how the reality would change:

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/759122_B1.jpg

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/759123_B2.jpg

No, how can it make sense when talking about something that never happened in comics?

"All his power" ...
Beyonder was limiting himself by the second issue, in the off-tie-in.

On top of that, if he couldn't remake her, how did she come back?

Come on Kev, cut the jokes, other may take you serious.

When all the power in the Multiverse combined (including MM & LT's)
was UNABLE to kill anything across infinity, because there was no Death:

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/759133_B5.jpg


Only Beyonder was able to kill something, thus re-creating Death.

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/759134_B6.jpg

Mind you, this is limited Beyonder, not any "all his power" googoo.

No one said he was.

Shooter was the real Marvel God (TOAA)

Shooter created the Beyonder and the entire Secret Wars series,
and according to Shooter, Beyonder was his own God, within his own reality,
and his reality was like an ocean,
while the Marvel infinite Multiverse was like a drop of water in comparison. Well done.

PR Beyonder wins. Million times more powerful than the entire multiverse combined while limiting himself.

Nuff said...

How does he win though? The GEB wasn't defeated, either.

Originally posted by cloud102
How does he win though? The GEB wasn't defeated, either. Who did the geb defeat that close to Lt's level.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Who did the geb defeat that close to Lt's level.
The Spectre, and a pantheon of Angels of the highest order summoned by the Phantom Stranger.

This just goes to show you haven't read 'American Gothic' arc, and probably ANY DC comic series for that matter.

Respect Thread:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=441932&highlight=Great+evil+beast

If you think Presence > PR beyonder than GEB wins

If you think PR beyonder = Presence ----> Stalemate

PR Beyonder>Presence.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
The Spectre, and a pantheon of Angels of the highest order summoned by the Phantom Stranger.

This just goes to show you haven't read 'American Gothic' arc, and probably ANY DC comic series for that matter.

Respect Thread:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=441932&highlight=Great+evil+beast Spectre isnt close to Lt's level imo. I have seen many angles easily get trounced by lesser beings than these.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Spectre isnt close to Lt's level imo. I have seen many angles easily get trounced by lesser beings than these.
Those were the mightiest of angels in thier true over mind forms. You've seen the mightiest of angels trounced as easily in that form? No you haven't.

The Presence/Mike Carlin/Grant Morrison=Kirby/Collaborator(TOAA)
Everyone else is under these supreme beings.

PR Beyonder = Jim Shooter, Editor in Chief of Marvel comics in those days.

God.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
PR Beyonder = Jim Shooter, Editor in Chief of Marvel comics in those days.

God.
no. not. at. all.

Jim shooter knew what the marvel multiverse was. he knew that ****ing with death would ruin themeaning of life. The beyonder was an incredibly powerful noob.

Jim Shooter stated that the Beyonder was like God before the Genesis.

PR Beyonder = God, period.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Jim Shooter stated that the Beyonder was like God before the Genesis.

PR Beyonder = God, period.
God=God
God>>>>>>>Like God

Originally posted by fangirl101

God=God
God>>>>>>>Like God
God=God
Beyonder=God

(two separate/different entities, with the same majestic status in their own worlds)

You keep confusing yourself when Shooter says, "like God before Genesis."
You're under the impression Shooter is making a comparison,
but actually, he's just using a reference to make it easier to understand.

Once more, God is God, Beyonder is Beyonder.

God (Infinity Being) created the infinite Marvel Multiverse, a drop of water.

Beyonder created the trans-infinite Beyond-Realm, an ocean.

God before Genesis always was, Beyonder always was, that's their only relation.


That's it, simple, no need to dizzy ourselves.

Originally posted by Mr Master
God=God
Beyonder=God

(two separate/different entities, with the same majestic status in their own worlds)

You keep confusing yourself when Shooter says, "like God before Genesis."
You're under the impression Shooter is making a comparison,
but actually, he's just using a reference to make it easier to understand.

Once more, God is God, Beyonder is Beyonder.

God (Infinity Being) created the infinite Marvel Multiverse, a drop of water.

Beyonder created the trans-infinite Beyond-Realm, an ocean.

God before Genesis always was, Beyonder always was, that's their only relation.


That's it, simple, no need to dizzy ourselves.
What a Holy War were having?

...

This is so confusing.

*Walks to a corner holding a cross and cries*

Mr. M pwns Fangirl again.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Mr. M pwns Fangirl again. Cool Beyonder wins again... let throw this on the pile with rest of million of billions

What can I say? Beyonder is a bad mutha....

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
What can I say? Beyonder is a bad mutha.... It was more obvious then Superman vs Hulk or Jugg etc... even if you didn't read his comic's EVER and only peak at his respect thread, your concept is changed. Disco is back for few minutes with the Beyonder.

GEB can only hope to stalemate PR Beyonder.

Thread over.

...

This is why I hate when Beyonder is brought up in threads...

Or Rulk.

PR beyonder beat how many omniversal beings on panel? How many Multiversal beings did he defeat?

Originally posted by Mr Master
God=God
Beyonder=God

(two separate/different entities, with the same majestic status in their own worlds) Beyonder=God?
durlaugh


Originally posted by Mr Master
You keep confusing yourself when Shooter says, "like God before Genesis." Shooter said Beyonder was "like God".
Again, LIKE GOD.
No matter how hard you try, it goes down in the history books. "Beyonder was LIKE GOD..."
You nor I can change that.
Originally posted by Mr Master

Once more, God is God, Beyonder is Beyonder.
And Batman is Batman.

Originally posted by Mr Master


God before Genesis always was, Beyonder always was, that's their only relation.


ka-dur

DC's supreme being has been challenged/defied/nearly thwarted enough to make me believe that omnipotence isn't one of its attributes.

Beyonder 1 shots.

edit

Originally posted by fangirl101
Those were the mightiest of angels in thier true over mind forms. You've seen the mightiest of angels trounced as easily in that form? No you haven't. When did I say the mightiest angels,but in the dcu I have seen angels get defeated and pretty easily. Originally posted by fangirl101
PR beyonder beat how many omniversal beings on panel? How many Multiversal beings did he defeat? They were too afraid to battle him,he was that powerful.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer


Beyonder was created by a writer, who in turn is created by God.

So
God >>> Human writers >>> Beyonder



I never said he was more powerful than the real-world God or real-world humans
I agree God >>> Human writers >>> Beyonder,TOAA,Presence or any other comicbook characters

Originally posted by occultdestroyer


Beyonder was created by a writer, who in turn is created by God.

So
God >>> Human writers >>> Beyonder .................

Originally posted by occultdestroyer

Beyonder=God?

Elaine=God?

durlaugh

See, that's easy.
Originally posted by occultdestroyer

Shooter said Beyonder was "like God".
Again, LIKE GOD.
No matter how hard you try, it goes down in the history books.
"Beyonder was LIKE GOD..."
You nor I can change that.
And exactly what was God LIKE, before Genesis? ...

Originally posted by occultdestroyer

Beyonder was created by a writer, who in turn is created by God.

So
God >>> Human writers >>> Beyonder
Bringing up the God that real people believe in is.

You enjoy throwing smilies without merit,
in a vain effort at making your ignorance superior to the facts,
but seriously,
if you thought I was referring to the God real people worship when I said Beyonder=God,
then you should definitely see in the mirror, the smilie you replied to my post with:

ka-dur

Everyone that knows about Marvel Comics/Jim Shooter's creation, the Beyonder,
knows he was the embodiment/GOD!!!! ... of his own trans-infinite Reality, (Beyond-Realm)

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/761415_beyondspaceandtimefk9.jpg

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/761421_beyondspacetime2pq7.jpg

Everyone that knows anything about Mr Master knows he was referring to Comic Books:


Jim Shooter writes:


"God in Man, Man in God"

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/761309_B-god1.jpg

"The one from Beyond contemplates all existence, he intends to destroy it. No. Erase it"


http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/3112/bgod2zz4.jpg

"Its Substance, its Space, its Denizens,
its Overlords, its Conceptual Beings,
even Death itself will be erased."

........................................................................


Now don't come in here with these real World God references/comparisons.

In COMIC BOOOOOKS!!!

God simply = an All Powerful Factor ... we call this all powerful factor, GOD!

Originally posted by Mr Master


Now don't come in here with these real World God references/comparisons.

In COMIC BOOOOOKS!!!

God simply = an All Powerful Factor ... we call this all powerful factor, GOD!
The reason why I made such comparisons
is because Elaine of Vertigo DC is the COMIC BOOK DEPICTION of the REAL Yahweh, the Supreme creator in Judeo-Christian belief.
Beyonder was NEVER depicted or even linked to a Supreme being.

Elaine IS Yahweh (aka GOD).
By the end of the Lucifer series, she merged with Vertigo's omniverse.
Thus becoming everything and anything that there was/is in Vertigo.

Originally posted by Mr Master
False.

God from FF#511 is canon, referenced in detail across two official Marvel FF bios.

And according to Marvel.com, TOAA was the cat in FF#511,
and it was an artists that toils with his drawings, he also has a collaborator. (writer)

And? God can take any form he wishes, it only takes a pencil and ink.

btw. I see where you're going, did you read Spiderman #40?

Because that was the Writer that popped up on panel as a "bum."

Unfortunately it's not based off of the real world.

It's an adaptation twisted every way around.
Therefore it has absolutely nothing to with the real Jewish/Christian God based on the Bible.

Lucifer and Michael are his sons? And favorites at that?
God is "shaped by external forces?

dontgetit

My advice? Read Secret Wars II and it's tie-ins,
then we'll discuss the Beyonder, cause you're just playing around Kev.

I have read everything online about Secret Wars II or have tried and now I'll try getting it at my comic store just for this. Also that 'bum' was TOAA/God and how he wanted to be seen as the other appearances by him, what you are doing is pretty misleading . Btw Lucifer talks about the real world and how some depict him and doesn't care for it. The First of the Fallen is very clear who DC's God is and its the Christ.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer

The reason why I made such comparisons
is because Elaine of Vertigo DC is the COMIC BOOK DEPICTION of the REAL Yahweh, the Supreme creator in Judeo-Christian belief.
You have the nerve to throw "dur" smilies at people, after making this statement?

durlaugh

Let me know where in Juedo-Christian history does it state that Lucifer is Yahweh's son,
on top of that nonsense, Lucifer is Yahweh's admiration and preference. LOL!
Let me also know where it states in the Bible that Yahweh is limited
since he's "shaped by external forces" LOL!

Yahweh, the Supreme creator in Judeo-Christian belief has ONE son, his name is Jesus.

Not Two, where one of them is the Devil himself.
Originally posted by occultdestroyer

Beyonder was NEVER depicted or even linked to a Supreme being.
Please read comic books involving classic Beyonder before debating .
Originally posted by occultdestroyer

Elaine IS Yahweh (aka GOD).

By the end of the Lucifer series, she merged with Vertigo's omniverse.
Thus becoming everything and anything that there was/is in Vertigo.
So now DC has several OmniverseS? ...

Infinity Being (aka GOD) created with his GOD power the infinite Marvelverse.

Beyonder (everything outside GOD's creation) made the Beyond-Realm.

It's simple.

When we compare Infinity Being's (aka GOD) creation to Beyonder's,
it's like comparing a drop of water with an ocean.

Infinite Marvelverse = drop of water

Beyond-Realm = an ocean.


hmm ... imo, I prefer the be the Beyonder, than the Infinity Being (aka GOD)

This one is close but GEB wins, He seemed unstopable and beyonder showed emotion, GEB was pure darkness,void,emptyiness..etc. He would seem to trump in this fight.

Originally posted by kevdude

I have read everything online about Secret Wars II or have tried
and now I'll try getting it at my comic store just for this.
Wonderful, cause you gotta stop making non-existent claims concerning the Beyonder.
Originally posted by kevdude

Also that 'bum' was TOAA/God and how he wanted to be seen

as the other appearances by him:
I see, so as I suspected, you didn't read the Spiderman issue.

TOAA's Spiderman appearance was a representation of that books Writer,
just like FF#511. (which is canon, let me know if you need proof for that too)


In fact, at one point, Peter even asks the "bum" to re-write his life,
to make someone else the person that was bitten by a spider so many years ago.

TOAA (writer in this case) looks at Peter like ... are you kidding? ... no.

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/759202_OA1.jpg

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When TOAA shows Peter the lives he's saved, he says there's thousands,
this is blatant,
TOAA says, "well .. I'm counting Team-Ups"

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/759203_OA2.jpg

(you know? "Marvel Team-Ups" the run?)

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TOAA relates to Peter's humanity,
since obviously this a representation of this comic's writer:

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/759204_OA3.jpg

"We all have a purpose Peter, we all have a role to play"

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In the end,
it's quite obvious this is the Writer that manifested himself on panel.

TOAA tells us he's gonna write for Peter a happy ending in this story.

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/759205_OA4.jpg

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/759206_OA5.jpg

Originally posted by kevdude

what you are doing is pretty misleading
"what you are doing is truly misleading?"

While you're giving an opinion about a story you haven't even read.

Proven right above.
Originally posted by kevdude

Btw Lucifer talks about the real world
and how some depict him and doesn't care for it.
The First of the Fallen is very clear who DC's God is and its the Christ.
I'm not going to debate the Vertigo raped real world beliefs of Judeo-Christianity.

The comic book cats Yahweh, Lucifer
and every other little drawing in Vertigo/DC whatever,
are nothing more than a culmination of man made ink, and human imagination.

Just like every single other cat in Vertigo/DC and that goes for Marvel too.

Originally posted by Mr Master

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When TOAA shows Peter the lives he's saved, he says there's thousands,
this is blatant,
TOAA says, "well .. I'm counting Team-Ups"

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/759203_OA2.jpg

(you know? "Marvel Team-Ups" the run?)

.....
shit I didn't notice the reference here

Truth be told Pre-retcon beyonder was retconned, the retcon is the true beyonder whether we want to believe it or not.
everythig pre-retcon did was all a lie, much like an illusion, post-retcon beyonder is the true beyonder. Just like how the Amalgam brother were retconned so was beyonder, in every case the retcon becomes the reality.

I've been searching the net for a while.I don't know if this will add something to the discussion here.But here's what I found.Its up to all of you on how you interpret it.

Carnivore usurping the Presence's male aspect.

http://i737.photobucket.com/albums/xx18/bagsikdangal/SupergirlIII49p12and13.jpg
http://i737.photobucket.com/albums/xx18/bagsikdangal/SupergirlIII49p14.jpg
http://i737.photobucket.com/albums/xx18/bagsikdangal/SupergirlIII49p15.jpg

PS I just happen to stumble upon this

Can you show the rest of the scan, and what series is that story from?