Mad Jim Jaspers w/Fury& Jamie Braddock vs Scarlet Witch(hom)

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Nihilist
hmm?

Philosophía
laughing out loud

Xplosive
Scarlet Witch probably.

Mr Master
This battle would end up destroying DC as well.

Philosophía
.. because Spectre would intervene, kick their asses for the damage and thus innocent people being killed, then recreate everything as it once was. (including Marvel)

Enyalus
I'm going with Wanda, as well.

Mr Master

Xplosive
Mr Master, why didn't LT intervene against Scarlet Witch? I mean, he did intervene for lesser things. And there wasn't actually anyone who could stop her? What was he waiting?

Philosophía
Originally posted by Mr Master
laughing ... That's even more outlandish than my post. stick out tongue

stick out tongue




















Not outlandish at all shifty

Mr Master
Actually, I also just remembered, that during HOM,
Jamie was around, and he was unable to deal with Wanda's power. (chaos wave)

Wanda re-created/resurrected Jaspers & Fury.

Come to think of it, Wanda stomps.

Again imo, Wanda was like unto God during HOM.

616 was remade entirely in her image,
and the entire Omniverse
became a sandcastle she kicked around like a crazy child at the beach.

God.

Mr Master
Originally posted by Xplosive

Mr Master, why didn't LT intervene against Scarlet Witch? I mean, he did intervene for lesser thing. And there wasn't actually anyone who could stop her? What was he waiting?
I wouldn't be surprised if Wanda was more powerful than the LT:

(also notice Galactus getting tossed with the rest upper corner)

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/9250/w4qb8.th.jpg

"No coherence to Causality.
Only Primal Chaos,
beyond the comprehension of any sentience
no matter how grandiose its opinion of itself

And this is just the beginning"

fear

There's a What if coming out in Nov. I believe,
Wanda de-powers the entire Marvel Universe, not just Mutants.
Should be sweet.

Philosophía
As far as I recall, the Living Tribunal doesn't really have a feat on Wanda's scale.

Nihilist
didnt meggan temporarily stop the chaos wave or am i thinking of something elseshrug

Xplosive
Originally posted by Nihilist
didnt meggan temporarily stop the chaos wave or am i thinking of something elseshrug

It was clearly too much for her and for anyone.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I wouldn't be surprised if Wanda was more powerful than the LT:

(also notice Galactus getting tossed with the rest upper corner)

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/9250/w4qb8.th.jpg

"No coherence to Causality.
Only Primal Chaos,
beyond the comprehension of any sentience
no matter how grandiose its opinion of itself

And this is just the beginning"

fear

There's a What if coming out in Nov. I believe,
Wanda de-powers the entire Marvel Universe. Should be sweet.

Hm, beyond the comprehension of any sentience. Interesting.

Well, I remember me saying in your hierarchy thread that I wouldn't be surprised, if Wanda would deal with LT. Everything THOTI could do, she could do it. Of course THOTI would stomp her.

Anyway, as powerful as she was, I really think that the full power of LT should deal as it ridiculous as it sounds, since she was so powerful, with her without too much trouble or deal with her somehow in the end.

But then again, humans, mortals are destined to replace abstracts, even LT, so maybe Protege and Wanda were early examples.

Mr Master

Mr Master
Originally posted by Xplosive

Hm, beyond the comprehension of any sentience. Interesting.

Well, I remember me saying in your hierarchy thread that I wouldn't be surprised, if Wanda would deal with LT. Everything THOTI could do, she could do it. Of course THOTI would stomp her.
thumb up
Originally posted by Xplosive

Anyway, as powerful as she was,
I really think that the full power of LT should deal as it ridiculous as it sounds, since she was so powerful, with her without too much trouble or deal with her somehow in the end.
It's only my opinion that she may have been in that level.

btw. The LT is always at full power, there is no such thing as weaker LT M-bodies.

That's a fallacious myth I put to rest with proof.
Originally posted by Xplosive
But then again, humans, mortals are destined to replace abstracts,
even LT, so maybe Protege and Wanda were early examples.
That's what I've said before. thumb up

Which is why I understand it happening.

Philosophía
I'm not really going to get into the 'you can't prove that the brothers emobidied two megaverses/interpretation of the alpha & omega statement' stuff, because I've already had this discussions with you, and others, most recently with Utrigita, here.

The replacing Universes one is impressive though but, like I said, he really doesn't have any feat that actually puts him at Wanda's level.

I find Wanda inexplicably powerfull to be honest. At least pretty much almost all of the cosmic entities have an explination as to why they are so powerfull, due to certain functions and such, but the Wanda character was like 'Hey, here I am, I'm powerfull, and I'm going to affect the Omniverse'.

Xplosive

Mr Master

Nihilist
who are the three other nexus beings?

Philosophía
Originally posted by Mr Master
I agree about LT not having those kinds of feats,
but we're dealing with different characteristics, so it's not a fair comparison imo.

I agree, but I was talking strictly about feats, not about what Living Tribunal theoretically could do if not for his role. And in those, he doesn't match Wanda.

Originally posted by Mr Master
IG made it's wielder basically God (not TOAA/THOTI) over all creation,
and yet the LT shunted it's power with a gesture,
in the proceeding arc, we learn that the infinite power of the IG,
is literally dependent on the LT's allowance.


I don't want to debate an already repeatedly discussed topic(Brothers instance),only for this to show up. lulz

Originally posted by Mr Master

Well Wanda is a Nexus being, there are three others,
they are at the frontline to reach Mankind's full potential (become God essentially)

Wanda's madness was what sparked her latent potential.

Wanda, may have been a glimpse of the potential of Humanity's ultimate destiny:

To have the Living Tribunal, and the cosmic hierarchy become insignificant to them:

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/7654/2um6.th.jpg

Thus Mankind becomes their own Eternity, everyone acquires their own reality,
they all live out infinite dreams in a state of Godhood,
where the beginning and the end of these realities is at the whim of Mankind.

Was the first part concerning Wanda specifically stated, or are you just reaching the conclusion (which is a resonable explination) based on the eventual destiny of humanity ?

Mr Master

Knowsbleed33
LT 1-shotting Slorioth was impressive. His power was too vast for any 1 universe to contain.

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