Mangekyou Sharingan VS Rinnegan

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occultdestroyer
Is the Mangekyou Sharingan stronger than the strongest of the 3 Eye Techniques?

Kento
Who knows. The Rinnegan has done what? Besides let a person control multiple bodies at once of dead people? Kinda hard to say when Pein has one fight compared to all we know and have seen of the MS...which I guess by feats makes it stronger even though Jiraiya said Rinnegan was stronger..but then against what does Jiraiya know. How many Uchiha has he actually fought? And how many people would really know about the sharingan that he gets all his info from?

Dark-Jaxx
Hard to say.

The Mangekyo Sharingan has shown more feats, and the Eternal Mangekyo allowed Madara to control the Kyuubi, the most powerful creature in Naruto.

There is probably more to the Rinnegan than we have seen, but right now it is unknown.

Wil7
The Rinnegan (݆h; Literally meaning "Samsara Eye"wink is the most powerful, revered and supreme of all the three main eye techniques (ͫg, d_jutsu). The Rinnegan is characterized by a number of concentric circles around the pupil of the user. It has recently been revealed that in addition to allowing an individual to quickly master various jutsu, the user may also use all six forms of nature manipulation. It was first possessed by the Sage of the Six Paths (, Rikud_ Sennin), said to be the founder of the ninja world and the creator of the first ninjutsu. Currently, the eyes are possessed by Pain.

Pain uses the Rinnegan in his fight with Jiraiya, summoning a total of six bodies that all possessed the Rinnegan. An ability gained by using the Rinnegan is that all the bodies can see each individual body's field of vision. Because of this advantage, one must be blinded in order for a blind spot to be opened. Pain also managed to summon numerous animals each possessing the Rinnegan and presumably sharing their sight.


Pain's fourth body Contrast to the anime, the manga has shown that the Rinnengan actually is purple in color. This mistake was most likely done due to the manga not releasing the color in time for the anime.

The Mangekyo Sharingan (ARд݆, Mangeky_ Sharingan; Literally meaning "Kaleidoscope Copy Wheel Eye"wink is a heightened form of Sharingan. The Mangekyo Sharingan is distinguished from a normal Sharingan through its appearance, which changes the form of the tomoe seal. The appearance differs from user to user; Kakashi's and Itachi's both resemble pinwheels, while Madara's and his brother's more look like more detailed forms of the basic three-tomoe Sharingan. Those who have the potential to obtain it must make a great sacrifice in order to obtain it C according to Itachi, they must kill their closest friend. Itachi, Madara, and his brother apparently do in fact do this to obtain the original version, but Kakashi has noted that everyone he cared about had died long before the start of the series, so how he developed his own variant is unknown. And apparently, the Mangekyo Sharingan can be transferred from person to person, as in the case with Sasuke. The major drawback of the Mangekyo Sharingan is that when it is first activated, it slowly begins to destroy the eyes until the user becomes completely blind. The only way to regain one's eyesight after losing it would be to steal the eyes of a sibling, combining the two Sharingan to create a new, more powerful, and immortal Mangekyo Sharingan which prevents blindness and might grant immortality.

In the long history of the Uchiha clan, only a few have been able to obtain the Mangekyo Sharingan-- Madara Uchiha being the first, and Izuna Uchiha being the second. At present, there are three people alive who can use the Mangekyo Sharingan: Kakashi, Madara, and Sasuke. Ironically, Itachi mentioned that if Sasuke could obtain the Mangekyo Sharingan, then there would be 3 people who can use it, and it's true because Itachi dies.

The Mangekyo Sharingan gives each user their own unique jutsu. Itachi's Mangekyo Sharingan enabled him to use Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu, and Susanoo. Kakashi's own version of the Mangekyo Sharingan allows him to use Kamui which creates a space-time jutsu of his own in which he creates a localized dimensional warp, drawing everything in the immediate vicinity of the point into a singularity. Sasuke's hasn't displayed any unique abilities aside from Amaterasu, but it seems to utilize Genjutsu like Itachi's did.

This is what each can do. Now choose.

Dark-Jaxx
We already know what they can do.

And it is impossible to tell exactly which one is better as of now.

Wil7
Well Kento doesn't know its full power, and that is all Rinnigan can do.

Dark-Jaxx
That is all it has been SHOWN to do, so far.

That is not all it CAN do.

And stop quoting wiki.

King Kandy
Rinnegan founded ninjutsu, it probably has secrets but we don't know what they are.

NonSensi-Klown
Sideous until Ragnos actually does something.

Dark-Jaxx
Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
Sideous until Ragnos actually does something. EYE C WUT U DED THAR.

leonheartmm
well for now most of the powers rinnegan have shown arent really what youd think an EYE jutsu wud do is it? i mean switching bodies, havinmg multiples, really the only EYE based technique that makes sense is seeing out of all your clone's eyes. eye dont know, it still isnt explained but they were said to be a tool of heaven which cud save or destroy the world. so i dunno.{on top of giving the person every chakra type} recently its revealed that the way jiraya died was through all 6 pains stabbing him so it was theorised that it was a super genjutsu, what we saw in the battle. and there are many genjutsu defences in the minds of all of pain's dead bodies. sumthing connected with konan having special powrs.

atleast with normal mangekyo sharingan, it makes sense, that its SIGHT based. tsukiyomi/illusion, amaterasu{ok hard to explain}, susano{again, mirror shield connected with vision }and dimension warp. but honestly, again, arent these all jutsus in their own rights and not DOUJUTSUS?

ultimatethor
Rinnengan.

Dark-Jaxx
Agreed, Rinnegan has shown stuffs that the MS cannot replicate.

Until we see Madara use the Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan, Rinnegan wins.

Magee
Stronger in what way? Look in to a MS user's eyes and you lose, how do you get more stronger than that? Sure Rinnegan may be more versatile but in terms of efficiency MS has it beat in my opinion.

ultimatethor
Originally posted by Magee
Stronger in what way? Look in to a MS user's eyes and you lose, how do you get more stronger than that? Sure Rinnegan may be more versatile but in terms of efficiency MS has it beat in my opinion.

Most skilled high level ninjas would not need to look into their opponents eyes to fight them. The MS also takes loads of chakra and therefore strains the user. Rinnegan however has a more diverse means of attack, is not strenous on the user and can attack from a much wider range.

Dark-Jaxx
Originally posted by Magee
Stronger in what way? Look in to a MS user's eyes and you lose, how do you get more stronger than that? Sure Rinnegan may be more versatile but in terms of efficiency MS has it beat in my opinion. If you look in the eyes, sure. But that is a big if, and the MS, unlike the Rinnegan, drains you considerably with each use, and also blinds you and seals your Sharingan away forever, with Madara's EMS being the only exception.

Rinnegan has shown power over souls, sight similar to Byakugan, the ability to have six bodies, all of which can see everything every body sees, can use all 6 chakra types to maximum efficiency, one body can read minds, one can do powerful and rapid summons, one seems to be kinda like a machine that can fire missiles that do great damage, and probably more shit I forgot.

leonheartmm
lets go through pain'ss powerset again

9 illusionary dragons - sealing technique initiated by pain strong enough to seal even tailed beasts

all elemental affinity - he can use all elemental chakra perfectly in affinity with it as opposed to others who only have two affinities at best

magical rain - has a jutsu which can make rain fall over his entire country indefinately which can detect any change in pattern of falling and any chakra or person even if they are using high level jutsus to hide themselves

berserker - sumthing shown when nagato was a child, he loses conciousness when in danger and easily murdered a chuunin without knowing any nijutsu techniques unconciously

has nearly unbeatable genjutsu defences in the minds of all the bodies he uses.

has 6 bodies {which are sumhow connected with foes jiraya beat before, whether that was a genjutsu or sumthing else, we dont know}

all 6 bodies share the same conciousness and percelption hence giving him multiple perspectives to fight from

according to madara, has never lost a fight in his entire life

he can create CLONES of other ninja{s class and above, including some of the strongest in the narutoverse} who contain all their abilities, compareable intelligence, and 30% of chakra, and can even duplicate kekai genkai abilities like the sharingan, the clone itachi gave team 7 a run for their money, having high level instant genjutsu which he only needed tp point a finger to execute and the cloned kisame was beating lee/neiji/gai's team before gai decided to use his gates{on top of creating a lake of water}. so just imagine how powerful the actual guy, pain is.

killed the salamander who defeated konoha's entire army and te three sannin and hence gave them their title.

each body of pain's has special abilities, 1. absorbing even the most devestating attacks like oil blast lake, and ultimate raasengan of the sage form, using special black weapons, firing your fists, summongin MULTIPLE beasts all of whom are devestating in their own right even against the higher level summons and have special abilities like spouting bubbles

the bodies are practically immorta, as they were hit with an extremely high level genjutsu{which even impressed pain} and then all driven through by HUGE summoned swords, and all got right back up and went on to kill jiraya.

their ful abilities and those of the rinnegan havent been seen yet, we know that he is planning to attack and destroy konoha alone, and rikoudu, the creator of jutsus themselves and the ninja world had them, they were said to be a tool of the heavens which wud save or destroy the world.

by sealing the bijuu, pain is trying to create a weapon with the power to destroy a country in under a second and then be reused.

it is hinted that the real pain isnt even among the fighting bodies. and that konan has special powers connected with pain.

has telepathy with which he can communicate to all akatsuki over any amount of distance

astral projection - he can use it to project himself on the sealing statue from anywhere in the world and perform jutsus their

super strength - seen against jiraya and on his attack on konoha

soul sucking - he seems to have the power to simply snatch people's souls out of their bodies

missiles - can fire highly destructive guided missiles from one of his bodies

abiltiy to create clones of enemeis at 30 percent power even in astral projection for as he did against gai's team

ability to erect sextremely strong protective/sealign jutsus for the places where the sealing ritual is held

preception - the eyes can perceive chakra/seals/fields etc and have higher perception that normal eyes, although how they compare to mangekyo, we cant really know.

any1 who has opposed pain as of yet has died.

well, thats it for now, i know im forgetting sum feats/stuff. we dont really know how much of it is based on the rinnedgan.

llagrok
Sharingan gives you an incredible speed boost though and the ability to somewhat predict your opponent's moves.

Magee
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Rinnegan has shown power over souls, sight similar to Byakugan, the ability to have six bodies, all of which can see everything every body sees, can use all 6 chakra types to maximum efficiency, one body can read minds, one can do powerful and rapid summons, one seems to be kinda like a machine that can fire missiles that do great damage, and probably more shit I forgot. Exactly, its more versatile but still easier for a MS user to win a fight. You can fight some one with Rinnegan if you are strong enough but tsukuyomi is an instant win at least in theory.

Wil7
Originally posted by leonheartmm
lets go through pain'ss powerset again

9 illusionary dragons - sealing technique initiated by pain strong enough to seal even tailed beasts

all elemental affinity - he can use all elemental chakra perfectly in affinity with it as opposed to others who only have two affinities at best

magical rain - has a jutsu which can make rain fall over his entire country indefinately which can detect any change in pattern of falling and any chakra or person even if they are using high level jutsus to hide themselves

berserker - sumthing shown when nagato was a child, he loses conciousness when in danger and easily murdered a chuunin without knowing any nijutsu techniques unconciously

has nearly unbeatable genjutsu defences in the minds of all the bodies he uses.

has 6 bodies {which are sumhow connected with foes jiraya beat before, whether that was a genjutsu or sumthing else, we dont know}

all 6 bodies share the same conciousness and percelption hence giving him multiple perspectives to fight from

according to madara, has never lost a fight in his entire life

he can create CLONES of other ninja{s class and above, including some of the strongest in the narutoverse} who contain all their abilities, compareable intelligence, and 30% of chakra, and can even duplicate kekai genkai abilities like the sharingan, the clone itachi gave team 7 a run for their money, having high level instant genjutsu which he only needed tp point a finger to execute and the cloned kisame was beating lee/neiji/gai's team before gai decided to use his gates{on top of creating a lake of water}. so just imagine how powerful the actual guy, pain is.

killed the salamander who defeated konoha's entire army and te three sannin and hence gave them their title.

each body of pain's has special abilities, 1. absorbing even the most devestating attacks like oil blast lake, and ultimate raasengan of the sage form, using special black weapons, firing your fists, summongin MULTIPLE beasts all of whom are devestating in their own right even against the higher level summons and have special abilities like spouting bubbles

the bodies are practically immorta, as they were hit with an extremely high level genjutsu{which even impressed pain} and then all driven through by HUGE summoned swords, and all got right back up and went on to kill jiraya.

their ful abilities and those of the rinnegan havent been seen yet, we know that he is planning to attack and destroy konoha alone, and rikoudu, the creator of jutsus themselves and the ninja world had them, they were said to be a tool of the heavens which wud save or destroy the world.

by sealing the bijuu, pain is trying to create a weapon with the power to destroy a country in under a second and then be reused.

it is hinted that the real pain isnt even among the fighting bodies. and that konan has special powers connected with pain.

has telepathy with which he can communicate to all akatsuki over any amount of distance

astral projection - he can use it to project himself on the sealing statue from anywhere in the world and perform jutsus their

super strength - seen against jiraya and on his attack on konoha

soul sucking - he seems to have the power to simply snatch people's souls out of their bodies

missiles - can fire highly destructive guided missiles from one of his bodies

abiltiy to create clones of enemeis at 30 percent power even in astral projection for as he did against gai's team

ability to erect sextremely strong protective/sealign jutsus for the places where the sealing ritual is held

preception - the eyes can perceive chakra/seals/fields etc and have higher perception that normal eyes, although how they compare to mangekyo, we cant really know.

any1 who has opposed pain as of yet has died.

well, thats it for now, i know im forgetting sum feats/stuff. we dont really know how much of it is based on the rinnedgan.

9 illusionary dragons is only used to seal tailed beasts away. It is never used in battle. He has unbeatable genjutsu defences? Like what? His 6 bodies is a bullshit move that should have never been put as a feat for him. That is the only reason he beat Jiraiya, because of a bullshit technique. Only one of his bodies has missles. And I will say again, if he just had his one body, he wouldn't have the missle jutsu, the absortion jutsu, etc at all. His rinnegan is obviously his best feat. Rinnegan is alot different than mangekyuo. The only reason everybody who has opposed Pein has died is because of his 6 bodies. Without his 6 bodies, Jiraiya would have beat him. Actually they probably wouldn't have fought. Of course rinnegan has higher preception than normal eyes. He can use it to project himself on the sealing statue from anywhere in the world and perform jutsus their?

If I am wrong, please prove me wrong. Just like Sasuke, I am waiting for Pein to die.

King Kandy
I don't get why you keep trying to act like Pein having six bodies isn't valid. That's his ability, to have six bodies. Gaara has sand, Jiraiya has frogs, Kirabi has biju abuse, Pein has six bodies. None are more or less valid gimmicks than any other.

Wil7
Originally posted by King Kandy
I don't get why you keep trying to act like Pein having six bodies isn't valid. That's his ability, to have six bodies. Gaara has sand, Jiraiya has frogs, Kirabi has biju abuse, Pein has six bodies. None are more or less valid gimmicks than any other.

Gaara is one person, not six. Jiraiya is one person, not six. Kirabi is one person, not six. Pein has Rinnegan, that is what they should have left it at, and let him copy any ninjutsu. If any of Gaara, Jiraiya, Kirabi, Itachi, Tobi, Deidara, Oro, etc had six bodies, they would be biiger gods than Pein. It is a cheap move that shouldn't exist.

King Kandy
Pain is six people. He wouldn't be Pain if he didn't have six bodies, he would be Nagato. If you gave other characters the Rinnegan, then they might be really tough and have six bodies as well. If Kirabi or Itachi had six bodies, then they'd... basically be the same as Pain. They don't have the Rinnegan or it's various multi-body powers...

Pain is a hive mind, it's not like it's some dude with five clones. They're all him.

Wil7
Originally posted by King Kandy
Pain is six people. He wouldn't be Pain if he didn't have six bodies, he would be Nagato. If you gave other characters the Rinnegan, then they might be really tough and have six bodies as well. If Kirabi or Itachi had six bodies, then they'd... basically be the same as Pain. They don't have the Rinnegan or it's various multi-body powers...

Pain is a hive mind, it's not like it's some dude with five clones. They're all him.

Rinnegan is known for copying all ninjutsu's. Itachi would be way stronger than Pein then. Pein is just a cheap character, and he should just be Nagato without the six bodies. It is better and it will never always give him an advantage.

Dark-Jaxx
Stop b!tching just because he is better than Itachi and deal with it.

k1Lla441
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx


And stop quoting wiki.
thankyou for noticing.

ultimatethor
Originally posted by Magee
Exactly, its more versatile but still easier for a MS user to win a fight. You can fight some one with Rinnegan if you are strong enough but tsukuyomi is an instant win at least in theory.

Against a lower level ninja for sure it is easier. But when u match up a rinnegan user against an MS user in a one on one scenario, the rinnegan user has the clear advantage.

King Kandy
Originally posted by Wil7
Rinnegan is known for copying all ninjutsu's. Itachi would be way stronger than Pein then. Pein is just a cheap character, and he should just be Nagato without the six bodies. It is better and it will never always give him an advantage.
If he was just Nagato then he would have nothing going for him. Pein isn't Nagato (one person) he is Pein (six people) okay? That's his innate nature.

If Itachi had Shukaku, he would be a better Sand Manipulator than Gaara. I can dream up hypotheticals all day, but remember, every character has a gimmick all his own.

leonheartmm
Originally posted by Wil7
9 illusionary dragons is only used to seal tailed beasts away. It is never used in battle. He has unbeatable genjutsu defences? Like what? His 6 bodies is a bullshit move that should have never been put as a feat for him. That is the only reason he beat Jiraiya, because of a bullshit technique. Only one of his bodies has missles. And I will say again, if he just had his one body, he wouldn't have the missle jutsu, the absortion jutsu, etc at all. His rinnegan is obviously his best feat. Rinnegan is alot different than mangekyuo. The only reason everybody who has opposed Pein has died is because of his 6 bodies. Without his 6 bodies, Jiraiya would have beat him. Actually they probably wouldn't have fought. Of course rinnegan has higher preception than normal eyes. He can use it to project himself on the sealing statue from anywhere in the world and perform jutsus their?

If I am wrong, please prove me wrong. Just like Sasuke, I am waiting for Pein to die.

first thing, pain cant COPY jutsu. he has nevr shown the capability. all he has is compatibility with all ELEMENTAL chakra types, when most people only have compatibility with one or two. which means he has to LEARN all the ninjutsu of those types just like any normal person would{just like he did with jiraya}, he cant just see the technique once and copy it. that is not the rinnegan's power.

as for genjutsu defences, that was proven when the konoha ninja treied to exract information from the head of the body that jiraya brought in and were beaten by the near invincible genjutsu defences inside the head.

as for the 6 bodies, what ur saying is very silly. it is almost definately an innate power of the rinnegan. let me explain, RINNEgan means SAMSARA eyes{juts like BYAKUgan means white/evil eyes} , samsara is the buddhist concept of the lower 6 worlds, where souls are caught in a cycle of rebirth due to attachements/PAIN/inability to realise buddhahood.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_realms

note that their are 6 realms, the same number of bodies as pain{or the six paths of pain} however, what really cements this theory is that on konoha pain REFERRED to each of his bodies as "beast realm" "god realm" etc. meaning that it is a direct result of the RINNEGAN'S power, not just a bullshit technique.

Magee
Originally posted by ultimatethor
Against a lower level ninja for sure it is easier. But when u match up a rinnegan user against an MS user in a one on one scenario, the rinnegan user has the clear advantage. Yes and the thread maker asks which one is stronger not which would win in a fight.

ultimatethor
Originally posted by Magee
Yes and the thread maker asks which one is stronger not which would win in a fight.

As i said, against lower level ninjas, the MS will be good for a quick win. However against a high level nija who can easily avoid eye contact it is less effective. Also the MS has a very limited usage rate as it consumes too much chakra. The rinnegan is more versatile, more destructive and is much more useful against high level ninjas. It also does not have the disadvantage the MS has. Hence the reason it is more powerful.

Astner
EMS and MS are just different levels of the same dojutsu (sharingan). The Rinnegan is the most powerful of the three--or so the hearsayings and folk-lores go. It also seem to have divine roots, unlike the sharingan.

Pein has never lost a single battle. Madara has the Shodai battle on his list--and then he was at his prime. Remember Itachi said that Madara (power-wise) is just a shell of his former self.

Nagato seems to be absent in the battles as well, and can sacrifice bodies at whim (crashing one of the into Jiraya's shield so that he could samage him). Much more effective that Kagebushin.

Johnny Deluxe
Originally posted by Astner
EMS and MS are just different levels of the same dojutsu (sharingan). The Rinnegan is the most powerful of the three--or so the hearsayings and folk-lores go. It also seem to have divine roots, unlike the sharingan.

Pein has never lost a single battle. Madara has the Shodai battle on his list--and then he was at his prime. Remember Itachi said that Madara (power-wise) is just a shell of his former self.

Nagato seems to be absent in the battles as well, and can sacrifice bodies at whim (crashing one of the into Jiraya's shield so that he could samage him). Much more effective that Kagebushin.

Why would he call Madara an invincible immortal, and then later say he was a shell of his former self? How can you be more powerful than an invincible immortal?

Itachi spoke of Madara's status, not of his power. Current Madara is more powerful than ever.

This is further backed up by the fact that Sarutobi proved superior to First Hokage, a guy whom Madara was on par with.

Dark-Jaxx
Like I said, Kishimoto done fvcked up the tier listings.

The Fourth had to kill himself just to seal the Kyuubi.

The First beat both the Kyuubi and Madara, and was fine after the battle(as in, not dead).

The Third>First, and Fourth>Third apparently.

So...Wtf?

Also, we have no idea who Pein actually fought, so him beating a bunch of no names and never losing doesn't mean he>Madara.

King Kandy
Well for one, the 1st has the power to control Biju (and even has a necklace to enhance the ability) so the Kyuubi seems like a non factor in that fight.

Kento
Makes me wonder where Yamato was during the whole Kyuubi attack.

Dark-Jaxx
Originally posted by King Kandy
Well for one, the 1st has the power to control Biju (and even has a necklace to enhance the ability) so the Kyuubi seems like a non factor in that fight. Then how the hell was the Third stronger than the First?

NonSensi-Klown
Because being better at something than someone else in one thing does nt make you outright superior overall.

King Kandy
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Then how the hell was the Third stronger than the First?
Hmm... I wonder.

Oh, maybe because there were no biju in that fight and thus the fight has no relevance to my comment?

Dark-Jaxx
The Third was stronger than the First, and was considered the strongest Konaha Shinobi ever until the Fourth.

But the First apparently had control over many Biju...

IMO, that makes the First>>>The Third or Fourth.

Kento
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
The Third was stronger than the First, and was considered the strongest Konaha Shinobi ever until the Fourth.

But the First apparently had control over many Biju...

IMO, that makes the First>>>The Third or Fourth. Then Yamato would be the strongest in the village.

Dark-Jaxx
Originally posted by Kento
Then Yamato would be the strongest in the village. Yamato can only suppress Biju, has never been shown to control them.

Or am I getting confused. mmm

Kento
He's never controlled them since all he's done is keep Naruto from going kyuubi but he's suppose to have the same power as the 1st. Having a special ability to control those demons while would make you powerful by using them doesn't really say much about your own power.

Dark-Jaxx
Well Yamato does not have the full power of the First does he?

And being able to control them in battle would be the equivelant of a really, really powerful summon.

King Kandy
The First would lose to the third in a fight against eachother, easily.

In a fight against a Biju, the 1st is better. And that's just about the only situation where he'd be better at all.

NonSensi-Klown
Hence,

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
Because being better at something than someone else in one thing does nt make you outright superior overall.

Dark-Jaxx
Being able to actually control Biju in battle and having control of several does make him better overall. no expression

King Kandy
That would only be true if there was a biju involved in the fight. Against the third there was none.

Kento
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Well Yamato does not have the full power of the First does he?

And being able to control them in battle would be the equivelant of a really, really powerful summon. I actually don't remember. I think it was said he was weaker but I don't know if that was just in chakra or chakra and his special ability.

Summoning something powerful doesn't have anything to do with said person's strength though. So while he could still be weaker in a straight up fight his special ability to control demons would make him more formidable. It be like summoning Gamabunta and Manda against some regular guy who can't summon except with the ability to control them since Gama and Manda don't always listen to the person who summons them.

NonSensi-Klown
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Being able to actually control Biju in battle and having control of several does make him better overall. no expression

Only if there is a Bijuu involved.

Which there wouldn't be.

Dark-Jaxx
Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
Only if there is a Bijuu involved.

Which there wouldn't be. Considering the First at his prime had access to them, why wouldn't he?

That's like not letting Jiraiya summon Gamabunta or Oro summon Manda.

NonSensi-Klown
What, does he carry them around in ****ing cages or something?

Dark-Jaxx
No, but he also like, never leaves Konaha(standard Hokage thing), and I assume they are stored somewhere in Konaha. no expression

NonSensi-Klown
no expression

Dark-Jaxx
What? no expression

King Kandy
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Considering the First at his prime had access to them, why wouldn't he?
Well, I mean i've never heard that he actually summoned them or anything, just that he had power over them.

NonSensi-Klown
There's humor to this.

What if they were stored in like, a Bijuu zoo? And they were locked up in cages that were like, 10X10 feet, so you have these big ass 100 foot monsters locked into the little tiny cages and when he wants to use them he summons them out?

That would be funny. It'd be like, a Bijuu petting zoo.

And then there could always b those idiot ****ing kids who poke the already irritated Bijuu with sticks so the Bijuu grabs the kid through the cage and rips his arm off, than he has to be shot up the ass with hella tranquilizers. And then there's that one disgruntled care-taker who sneaks into the cages at night and and he's a perv so he butt****s the Bijuu then sneaks out.

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Dark-Jaxx
Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
There's humor to this.

What if they were stored in like, a Bijuu zoo? And they were locked up in cages that were like, 10X10 feet, so you have these big ass 100 foot monsters locked into the little tiny cages and when he wants to use them he summons them out?

That would be funny. It'd be like, a Bijuu petting zoo.

And then there could always b those idiot ****ing kids who poke the already irritated Bijuu with sticks so the Bijuu grabs the kid through the cage and rips his arm off, than he has to be shot up the ass with hella tranquilizers. And then there's that one disgruntled care-taker who sneaks into the cages at night and and he's a perv so he butt****s the Bijuu then sneaks out.

no expression Or.

Maybe he can summon them with a scroll?

Whoa. no expression

NonSensi-Klown
The Zoo idea is more feasible. It could help Konoha's economy.

King Kandy
Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
There's humor to this.

What if they were stored in like, a Bijuu zoo? And they were locked up in cages that were like, 10X10 feet, so you have these big ass 100 foot monsters locked into the little tiny cages and when he wants to use them he summons them out?

That would be funny. It'd be like, a Bijuu petting zoo.

And then there could always b those idiot ****ing kids who poke the already irritated Bijuu with sticks so the Bijuu grabs the kid through the cage and rips his arm off, than he has to be shot up the ass with hella tranquilizers. And then there's that one disgruntled care-taker who sneaks into the cages at night and and he's a perv so he butt****s the Bijuu then sneaks out.

no expression
I had a dream that was extremely similar to that except they were in some dude's garage instead of a petting zoo.

Dark-Jaxx
Originally posted by King Kandy
I had a dream that was extremely similar to that except they were in some dude's garage instead of a petting zoo. Hey sexy.

Slaanesh
the 1st kick madara ass...it's madara with the EMS...u think the 3th can kick madara ass??if he can..he's preaty much equals to the 1st...

occultdestroyer
Originally posted by King Kandy
Well for one, the 1st has the power to control Biju (and even has a necklace to enhance the ability) so the Kyuubi seems like a non factor in that fight.
I'm not sure.. This is just a wild guess..

But since the First had the ability to control Kyuubi,
have you ever thought that he might have used the Kyuubi against Madara?
Kyuubi gave a hint on the first chapter in the Naruto Shippuuden series.
He said "a man more sinister than himself." Perhaps Kyuubi and Madara have fought against each other, and Madara lost.

So perhaps the First controlled Kyuubi to gain the upper hand in his fight against Madara..

???

Slaanesh
well...seing how sasuke can suppress kyuubi...i bet madara can too...so...kyuubi is a non factor...

NonSensi-Klown
Sawsgay suppressed a Kyuubi that Naruto was already in the process of suppressing. There's no proof that he can surpress a Bijuu if the host wants it to come out. Otherwise he would haave probably just done the same thing to Eight tails.


Aside from that, suppression only works on a Jinchurichi, hence "suppressing", you're forcing the bijuu back inside the host. You can't a suppress a Bijuu into some thing if it's already free and there is nothing to suppress it into.

So no, Madara's ability to suppress Bijuu wouldn't help him in a Bijuu fight unless the Bijuu is in a host.

Slaanesh
em..i was talking about kyuubi..MS give u control over kyuubi..so..both madara and 1st can control it..the suppressing part is just my bad..sory..i gave a bad example..but my point is..kyuubi is a non factor in madara and the 1st fight..

NonSensi-Klown
Ah, I get you.

psycho gundam
rinnigan for the win.

pain can probably make itachi's eyes backfire or some shit.

Dark-Jaxx
Well Madara did actually control the Kyuubi to fight against First...Until we find out what actually happened, it's anyone's guess.

Wil7
Originally posted by psycho gundam
rinnigan for the win.

pain can probably make itachi's eyes backfire or some shit.

laughing

psycho gundam
lol wut?

Dark-Jaxx
Your post was pretty stupid.

Yeah.

k1Lla441
Originally posted by psycho gundam
rinnigan for the win.

pain can probably make itachi's eyes backfire or some shit.
lol his own sharingan on himself lol. id love to see him backfire rolling on floor laughing

Wil7
Originally posted by psycho gundam
rinnigan for the win.

pain can probably make itachi's eyes backfire or some shit.

SHARINGAN BACKFIRING ON HIM!!! big grin laughing rolling on floor laughing laughing out loud

psycho gundam
i was under the impression that the rinnigan affords some sort of telepathic ability, he has already displayed the ability to speak with his mind, maybe he can take it further than that allowing him so mess up other ninja's focus on techniques.

Wil7
I don't think that will happen, but you never know.

Terryc250
Pretty tough to beat Rinnegan, since the real one isn't even there, Sharingan is wasting its efforts fighting a buncha zombies.

But in terms of feats Sharingan has more, unless Rinnegan does something crazy in the next few weeks.

Pyron_Express
I dont think we even seen a Rin'negan ability..Let's wait for couple more chapters.

psycho gundam
ha ha idiots! the rinnigan CAN short circuit ninjutsu and taijutsu.

TOLD YA SO.

leonheartmm
well it cud be that the first had greater control over the kyuubi than madara and turned it against him in the fight. and the 4th ofcourse sealed it. {remember, that madara denies ever controlling the kyuubi}. it cud be that controlling the kyuubi took too much effort on madara and the fourth simplyc counteracted that control and freed the kyuubi leaving madara velneurable and weak. it could be that the kyuubi is the one force which CANT be completely controlled by even the eternal mangekyo and the kyuubi either fled or kicked madara's ass{seeing as i beleive that still, the kyuubi is the ultimate power in naruto, above the eternal mangekyo or rinnegan- which wud explain why madara created akatuki to trap all the tailed beasts and gain the power of the kyuubi- maybe he is trying to become the new jinchuuriku for the kyuubi or maybe even for ALL bijuu- it wud also explain why naruto CUD be the strongest character in the series, seeing as an ultimae forbidden jutsu was used to trap the kyuubi inside him and he has technically even greater control over it than madara or even the first}. maybe that was what madara was talking about when he said "my power, uchia madara's power". he summoned the kyuubi but even the eternal mangekyo wasnt enough to control it, with the statue sealing, he would finally gain control over it.

psycho gundam
my eyes! leon use commas goddamnit.

King Kandy
Naruto has greater Bijuu control then the 1st? BS. Every single Jinchuruki has control of their bijuu to a degree, Naruto loses control all the time and has to pretty much beg the Kyuubi for chakra. Most Jinchurukis can manifest the full power of their demon, Naruto can't even do half (and loses control nonetheless.)

leonheartmm
^because he is young and the kyuubi is the strongest bijuu and he hasnt trained very much in controlling its chakra and the kyuubi isnt a particularly frinedly bijuu{unlike the 8 tails}. still, if your talking about control over the power, i doubt any1 has as much control to exert as naruto.

Dark-Jaxx
...Kirabi can exert full control over the Biju, whereas Naruto loses control once he goes Four Tailed.

Seriously, how is Naruto's control the best?

leonheartmm
^better than any1 else over the KYUUBI. and the others were madara and the 1st

Kento
Somehow I seriously doubt Naruto's control over the fox demon is better than the 1st. Seeing as how Naruto can't control it's full power and the 1st could control it at it's full power.

Dark-Jaxx
Well actually then Madara has the greatest control over Kyuubi...

leonheartmm
could he? 9 tails?

King Kandy
They controlled the actually Kyuubi being, not just it's chakra, like Naruto goes crazy from doing.

Face it, Naruto's control sucks. Yamato has displayed better control and the 1st>him.

leonheartmm
over the kyuubi? yamato just sealed its leaking chakra in an already sealed jinchuuriku. the 1st is never said to have had control over the kyuubi or have tamed it. i think the only1 who has even been conflictedly hinted at being able to COMMAND the kyuubi was madara. and wasnt the first trying to stop the kyuubi with his mukotan? why wud he need to do that if he cud simply ORDER it?

braveheart
Originally posted by Kento
Makes me wonder where Yamato was during the whole Kyuubi attack.


he wasn't even mad yet!!!!!1

roz88
Originally posted by Kento
Makes me wonder where Yamato was during the whole Kyuubi attack.

yamato wasn't born read mangna dummy

braveheart
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
No, but he also like, never leaves Konaha(standard Hokage thing), and I assume they are stored somewhere in Konaha. no expression


were can u store them think about wat u say b4 u say it

braveheart
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Or.

Maybe he can summon them with a scroll?

Whoa. no expression


sommon them with a scroll? r u stupid

Kento
Originally posted by roz88
yamato wasn't born read mangna dummy Yamato was made from Orochimaru's experiments. By the time the 4th died Oro had left. Shouldn't he have been made?

roz88
stick out tongue stick out tongue Originally posted by Kento
Yamato was made from Orochimaru's experiments. By the time the 4th died Oro had left. Shouldn't he have been made?


no cause couldn t finish experiments until he left and yamato is only 20 something and oro is like 50+ read the magna + watch shippuden!

Kento
I have read the manga. I just don't remember when it was said he was made...

roz88
it doesnt say use ur common sense and don't ask me this again we all kno he not old as oro.

Kento
What does being as old as Oro have to do with anything? And you tell me to use common sense. Oro left the village. He had already did said experiments before he left. Yamato was the only one to live. Therefore it was before the 4th died. And probably before the 4th even became Hokage. So Yamato would be alive. He would have been young since he's about Kakashi age but he would have also still had the powers.

roz88
read the whole forum oro age has 2 do wit wat u said earlier cause u think he has same powers as the 1st. and even if he was mad at the village does change wat im telling u.

Kento
Oro's age has nothing to do with Yamato having the ability of the 1st. Orochimaru left the village before Yondy died. He did his experiments before he left the village that only Yamato survived. Yamato is about as old as Kakashi. Kakashi was old enough to fight before Yondy became Hokage. That means Yamato would have been alive though young. And he would have still had the same powers. Oro being 50 has nothing to do with Yamato being alive when Kyuubi attacked.

roz88
read the whole forum. he doesnt hav the same powers because he's not from the senju clan. if u read the magna u would kno wat im talkin about and u wud stop askin stupid questions.

Kento
Yamato does have the same powers....He's got the Mokuten which only the first used. And he was created by 1st DNA. It's also why he can supress the Kyuubi when Naruto goes tailed-mode.

roz88
but can he control like the 1st cud cause he's not the 1st.

Kento
It never shows. Since the only demon he's been around is Naruto and that's sealed for the most part. He has the bloodline move, and he's got the ability to supress Kyuubi. Both he got from the dna of the 1st. It's not much to consider he wouldn't get all the abilities. Maybe not as strong since he's weaker but still.

roz88
he cant control naruto without the necklace as shown when they fought oro

yungz22
Originally posted by roz88
he cant control naruto without the necklace as shown when they fought oro

what are you talking about naruto always has that necklace on so what makes you think yamato cant supress naruto without it

roz88
ity says in the show last time i checked yungz go find urv own argument.

Kento
Well he can't. But neither could 1st. Yamato says that crystal responds to the 1st only and it was what he used to controlled the demons. More or less anyway.

roz88
did u read the forum all of it? he can't control only suppress and if you watched all shippudenb episodes u kno he can t do dat all the time.

Kento
That's what I just said. Yamato and the 1st both did what they did because of that crystal. Yamato's not as strong as Shodaime but he can do the same exact thing. Yamato even says the crystal is how Shodaime controlled the demons and that it only reacted to his chakra. It reacts to Yamato so he should be able to control demons also. But that's really kind of pointless when there is none to control.

roz88
now u see but he cant control only suppress.

Kento
How do you figure? The 1st could control because of that crystal. Why couldn't Yamato. Not that he can since the demons are basically gone but still.

roz88
like naruto for example if he could have cotrolled him he would stop him from hitting sakura when they fought oro.

Kento
Naruto and Kyuubi are two different things though. It's Kyuubi's chakra that's why he can supress it but it's not Kyuubi.

roz88
yea but why can't yamato control naruto then

Kento
I just said...Naruto isn't a demon.

yungz22
Originally posted by roz88
yea but why can't yamato control naruto then

simply because naruto is not a demon

roz88
yea he is he has a demon inside him which makes him a demon get it.

Kento
Having the demon sealed inside of him doesn't make Naruto a demon. It makes him a human with a demon sealed inside him. That's why Yamato can supress Kyuubi chakra but not Naruto's.

roz88
ur right cause i said he only supresses that's it he cant do wat the first can do.

Kento
He can do what the first can. He can do everything else the 1st can why would that be any different?

roz88
how do u kno?

yungz22
Originally posted by roz88
how do u kno?
roz how do you kno? Im siding with kento for this one

roz88
get out of her unless u goin shut him up

braveheart
Originally posted by yungz22
roz how do you kno im sidin with kento for this one

lol

roz88
i need a job?

braveheart
Originally posted by roz88
i need a job?

ur just tryin 2 get out of the arguement lol

roz88
he cant answer my question right kento?

yungz22
Originally posted by roz88
get out of her unless u goin shut him up

wat ur sayin makes no sense if someone yamato is a clone which means he could do anything the original could do example Mewtwo and Mew

how do you kno if it didnt take years for the 1st to learn how to control the bijuu so maybe it takes a while to learn how to control bijuu ever think bout that... oh yea the kyubbi is sealed up so it cant be controlled. just because naruto is using the demon energy doesnt mean yamato can control naruto because naruto is not a demon.

roz88
are kento no so f off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!1111

braveheart
this is funny because this arguement started by this 1 guy saying were was yamato during the kyubi attack lol

Kento
Originally posted by roz88
he cant answer my question right kento? Last I checked..They can. It's a free forum.

As for How I know Yamato can do what Shodaime can...Common sense is the simplest answer.

yungz22
Originally posted by roz88
are kento no so f off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!1111
im just stating my opinion on the matter

braveheart
Originally posted by yungz22
im just stating my opinion on the matter


lol

Kento
Originally posted by braveheart
this is funny because this arguement started by this 1 guy saying were was yamato during the kyubi attack lol I'm beginning to wish I hadn't.

braveheart
yall do kno this is a forum about mangekyou sharingan vs rinnegan right

Kento
Yea but everybody knows Rinnengan > Mangekyou Sharingan. whistle

yungz22
i personally think the rinnegan is better because pein is doing things that from what ive seen the sharingan match up with

braveheart
roz backed off haha

Slaanesh
yamato only has a friction of the the 1st power..

Kento
Originally posted by yungz22
i personally think the rinnegan is better because pein is doing things that from what ive seen the sharingan match up with Same here. Though with the MS we've seen most of it's power while the rinnengan is still mostly left in the dark. Which is another reason I think it's stronger.

@Slaanesh - He's weaker than the 1st. Doesn't mean he can't do everything the 1st can just to a weaker extent. When that crystal and it's reaction to Shodaime's chakra was the key to everything anyway.

Slaanesh
oh..u are probably right..

roz88
Originally posted by Kento
Last I checked..They can. It's a free forum.

As for How I know Yamato can do what Shodaime can...Common sense is the simplest answer.

yeaa its common sense the 1st is better than yamato because he is actually an hokage not yamato who is weaker than kakashi. if he could do what the 1st could he be hokage not tsunade. i kno im right kento.

yungz22
Originally posted by roz88
yeaa its common sense the 1st is better than yamato because he is actually an hokage not yamato who is weaker than kakashi. if he could do what the 1st could he be hokage not tsunade. i kno im right kento.

ok look how old yamato is and the 1st had to be at least 50 maybe it takes a little longer to master the biju control. yamato is not going to be a master at controlling biju as soon as he is born example:look how long it takes to master the sharingan,look how long it took for vegeta to became a super saiyan just because he wasnt one didnt mean he would never be 1. just because yamato didnt do it yet doesnt mean he cant do it.

there a no wild bijuu so we wont get the chance to see him do it either but im pretty sure if there were he would eventually do it.

roz88
yungz stop trying 2 fight kento's battles fu#k off

yungz22
Originally posted by roz88
yungz stop trying 2 fight kento's battles fu#k off
wut r u talking about if y dont you make a kento vs roz thread then. Its a free forum which means if more than one person disagrees with one persons statement then so be it

Kento
Originally posted by roz88
yeaa its common sense the 1st is better than yamato because he is actually an hokage not yamato who is weaker than kakashi. if he could do what the 1st could he be hokage not tsunade. i kno im right kento.

confused Um yeah I've constantly said Yamato is weaker. Does that mean he doesn't have the same powers? Not at all. He's got the wood, and the crystal (which Yamato says is what controlled the demons) reacts to his chakra and the 1st only. If that crystal controlled the demons then Yamato can to. He's just not as powerful. Just like Tsunade is a Sannin but she's not as powerful as Jiraiya or Orochimaru. Or that she's Hokage and by far the weakest one ever nor is she the strongest in the village most likely.

It's called common sense. Sasuke's weaker than Itachi. He can still do the same moves. Kakashi is weaker than Sasuke and Itachi but he can still use the Mangekyou and still copy moves. His sharingan is just weaker. It's the same exact thing.


laughing And seriously it's a free forum people can answer whatever they want. You just don't like it because you have two people telling you that you're wrong.

yungz22
Originally posted by Kento
confused Um yeah I've constantly said Yamato is weaker. Does that mean he doesn't have the same powers? Not at all. He's got the wood, and the crystal (which Yamato says is what controlled the demons) reacts to his chakra and the 1st only. If that crystal controlled the demons then Yamato can to. He's just not as powerful. Just like Tsunade is a Sannin but she's not as powerful as Jiraiya or Orochimaru. Or that she's Hokage and by far the weakest one ever nor is she the strongest in the village most likely.

It's called common sense. Sasuke's weaker than Itachi. He can still do the same moves. Kakashi is weaker than Sasuke and Itachi but he can still use the Mangekyou and still copy moves. His sharingan is just weaker. It's the same exact thing.


laughing And seriously it's a free forum people can answer whatever they want. You just don't like it because you have two people telling you that you're wrong.

exactly

yungz22
plus yamato is not old enough to be hokage just because he can control biju that wouldnt make him hokage. there is more than one quality you need when it come to being hokage .

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