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Fight on an indestructible earth-like planet.





Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern (Hal), Martian Manhunter, and Flash (Wally)

vs

Silver Surfer, Morg, Firelord, Terrax, and Stardust

JL, to many mid herald jobbers...and SS and morg can only do so much.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
JL, to many mid herald jobbers...and SS and morg can only do so much.

Oh please, each of galactus herald has his own Cosmic power to display. I say more of win for Marvel team YES MARVEL not heralds lolz....

What's Superman would do against a reality manipulator?

Herald ftw

Surfer solo

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
What's Superman would do against a reality manipulator?

Herald ftw
Superman just beat a group of Actual high end reality manipulators. And the Heralds do not have Reality manipulating power. As far as I know, I've never even seen Galactus do that.

JL
But I offer no proof in the way of scans!

Originally posted by tsscls
JL
But I offer no proof in the way of scans! Don't we all?

Originally posted by fangirl101
Superman just beat a group of Actual high end reality manipulators. And the Heralds do not have Reality manipulating power. As far as I know, I've never even seen Galactus do that.

... What? Are you kiddin' me?
When Galactus create heralds, isn't it matter manipulation!?

I will refresh your memory.



This is for the Big G.
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http://img455.imageshack.us/my.php?image=h3pu4.jpg
http://img143.imageshack.us/my.php?image=h6js1.jpg
http://img180.imageshack.us/my.php?image=h4yi9.jpg

Do I have to remember to you where Hercules is on the food chain?


And this panels alone are a proof that Surfer could maybe kill Superman on his way to punk Wonder Woman. They would loose the man against any heralds.

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/2937/theincrediblehulkv22503oj5.jpg
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9910/silversurfer198901921ts2.jpg

This ones are interesting:
http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/4954/theinfinitycrusade04morqd3.jpg
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9236/theinfinitycrusade04morjl3.jpg
http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/8854/theinfinitycrusade04morcx0.jpg
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2641/theinfinitycrusade04morwz5.jpg

Sups isn't the only one to be able to power-up in the sun.

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/9739/ffv15520transmutationqm7.jpg
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/9320/ssenslavers74sc7.jpg


And finally, to crush your ignorence, the "fatal blow" on Superman weaknesseS

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/5570/ssenslavers74sc7dw3.jpg
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/ssenslavers74sc7dw3.jpg/1/w780.png

Let see the shitSpectre do that! lolz Praise Silver Surfer! Lord o mighty!

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
... What? Are you kiddin' me?
When Galactus create heralds, isn't it matter manipulation!?

I will refresh your memory.



This is for the Big G.
http://img84.imageshack.us/my.php?image=h2zj7.jpg
http://img455.imageshack.us/my.php?image=h3pu4.jpg
http://img143.imageshack.us/my.php?image=h6js1.jpg
http://img180.imageshack.us/my.php?image=h4yi9.jpg

Do I have to remember to you where Hercules is on the food chain?


And this panels alone are a proof that Surfer could maybe kill Superman on his way to punk Wonder Woman. They would loose the man against any heralds.

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/2937/theincrediblehulkv22503oj5.jpg
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9910/silversurfer198901921ts2.jpg

This ones are interesting:
http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/4954/theinfinitycrusade04morqd3.jpg
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9236/theinfinitycrusade04morjl3.jpg
http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/8854/theinfinitycrusade04morcx0.jpg
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2641/theinfinitycrusade04morwz5.jpg

Sups isn't the only one to be able to power-up in the sun.

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/9739/ffv15520transmutationqm7.jpg
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/9320/ssenslavers74sc7.jpg


And finally, to crush your ignorence, the "fatal blow" on Superman weaknesseS

LMAO, u mean the weakness supes has already resisted. Terrax,firelord,sfardust are gone pretty easily in this fight. SS and morg cant hold off the entire JL.

Wait. When did High end matter manipulation become reality manipulation? Seems like people don't know the difference. There is a Big difference.

Scarlet witch was a reality manipulator. Proteous. MJJ. Onslaught. Franklin Richards.

Matter Manipulators would be Surfer, Sersi, Thanos, Etc. Get it together kiddies.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
LMAO, u mean the weakness supes has already resisted. Terrax,firelord,sfardust are gone pretty easily in this fight. SS and morg cant hold off the entire JL. How is Stardust easily gone?

You don't know what you're talking about, do you?

Originally posted by The Great Galen
LMAO, u mean the weakness supes has already resisted. Terrax,firelord,sfardust are gone pretty easily in this fight. SS and morg cant hold off the entire JL.

Oh yeah? Enlight me, please. Who, in DC team, would stop Stardust?

Originally posted by fangirl101
Wait. When did High end matter manipulation become reality manipulation? Seems like people don't know the difference. There is a Big difference.

Scarlet witch was a reality manipulator. Proteous. MJJ. Onslaught. Franklin Richards.

Matter Manipulators would be Surfer, Sersi, Thanos, Etc. Get it together kiddies.

I know the difference. But the manipulation of energies + Cosmic Awarness is what it takes to beat Superman 10/10.

Oh, and Wonder Woman is the most feeblel being in this match.


Marvel 10/10, because Superman would be too easely beaten by either herald.

Heralds with ease. Stardust, SS and Morg could probably take this by themselves.

Heralds stomp.

Originally posted by tdawg14
Heralds with ease. Stardust, SS and Morg could probably take this by themselves.

I wasn't agree with you... until I rembered that Flash is on the team too.

By taking Sups and Flash with they're first move, it's a possibility.

Lol!

JL dies a horrible death. I'd love to see it too.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
I know the difference. But the manipulation of energies + Cosmic Awarness is what it takes to beat Superman 10/10.

Oh, and Wonder Woman is the most feeblel being in this match.


Marvel 10/10, because Superman would be too easely beaten by either herald.

DC 8/10. Terrax can beat beaten by WW, Supes and MM can team agaisnt SS, Morg and stardust can be held off by Jordan and flash.

Originally posted by vansonbee
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/5570/ssenslavers74sc7dw3.jpg
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/ssenslavers74sc7dw3.jpg/1/w780.png

Let see the shitSpectre do that! lolz Praise Silver Surfer! Lord o mighty! You never seen the scan of Superman rebuilding a city in like 2 panels? Plus the Spectre >>>>>>> Silver Sufer on any day. As for this fight the League takes it easily Firelord and Terrax drop like flies. JL 8/10

Originally posted by iceman24567
You never seen the scan of Superman rebuilding a city in like 2 panels? Plus the Spectre >>>>>>> Silver Sufer on any day. As for this fight the League takes it easily Firelord and Terrax drop like flies. JL 8/10

Excatly, Firelord and Terrax are the herald punching bags in most cases. Morg/starduest/SS are good but....the odds are agaisnt them.

does morg have the WoL

If he does, its only fair this be PC supes,WW with all her equipment and KC Flash lol.

Firelord has some excellent showings.

Cept Spidey can avoid him lol.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
What's Superman would do against a reality manipulator?

Herald ftw

Haha, what does that have to do with anything?

Originally posted by vansonbee
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/5570/ssenslavers74sc7dw3.jpg
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/ssenslavers74sc7dw3.jpg/1/w780.png

Let see the shitSpectre do that! lolz Praise Silver Surfer! Lord o mighty!

Katma Tui and John Stewart recreated an entire PLANET. Kyle has done it TWICE. Tom Kalmaku, using Hal's ring, recreated all of Oa. Abin Sur rebuilt an old west town. Dr. Strange, Dr. Fate, and countless other versatile top tiers have also done something comparable.

It really isn't all that.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Superman just beat a group of Actual high end reality manipulators. And the Heralds do not have Reality manipulating power. As far as I know, I've never even seen Galactus do that.

Doom had trouble differentiating between his imagination and the true reality around him when he absorbed Galactus' power. He was already altering the reality around him without even making a concerted effort.

So we know Galactus has reality manipulating powers.

Why have we never seen him do it?


Answer (as much as this sounds like a cop out, it is not if you truly know Galactus as a character):

Why would he?

Originally posted by Tenebrous
Doom had trouble differentiating between his imagination and the true reality around him when he absorbed Galactus' power. He was already altering the reality around him without even making a concerted effort.

So we know Galactus has reality manipulating powers.

Why have we never seen him do it?


Answer (as much as this sounds like a cop out, it is not if you truly know Galactus as a character):

Why would he?


Why would he what?
ABC logic..?

Originally posted by skygunner41
Why would he what?
ABC logic..?

i'll give you the benefit of the doubt, and let you figure it out for yourself.

heralds stomp.

and lulz @ the great galen saying that just because in his opinion the jla beat up terrax and firelord, that has any bearing on silver surfer, morg, and stardust.

Originally posted by Starscream M
Fight on an indestructible earth-like planet.





Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern (Hal), Martian Manhunter, and Flash (Wally)

vs

Silver Surfer, Morg, Firelord, Terrax, and Stardust

Jesus this is a lopsided win for the heralds if I ever saw one.

Ok: 1st off- Cosmic awareness (which surfer DEFINITELY has and the others PROBABLY do, I'm not sure) means the heralds are IMMEDIATELY aware of the DC teams' strengths and weaknesses, right off the bat. The opposite is NOT true.

Surfer has been shown to be able to completely analyze just such a scenario in nanoseconds.

So IMMEDIATELY you have Superman being bombarded with Kryptonite or Red Solar Radiation, weakening him or taking him out (remember, there's more than one kind of K-nite) Martian Manhunter being speedblitzed by firelord, WW being BFRed, and The flash being turned into a pile of bricks or something by high end matter manipulation, against which he has no defense.

Again, the entire herald team are speedsters in excess of lightspeed. They have the speed advantage here.

This leaves only GL left standing (the only one without obvious weaknesseses) against five heralds- no way he lasts more than a few moments against this kind of firepower.

Hal

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Originally posted by iceman24567
You never seen the scan of Superman rebuilding a city in like 2 panels? Plus the Spectre >>>>>>> Silver Sufer on any day. As for this fight the League takes it easily Firelord and Terrax drop like flies. JL 8/10 not really

Since when did Firelord become a jobber

Originally posted by Endrict Nuul
Heralds stomp. Agreed.

Silver Surfer could solo in a decent fight, giving him Morg and the rest is overkill. The heralds take this 10/10 with no difficulty.

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Silver Surfer could solo in a decent fight, giving him Morg and the rest is overkill. The heralds take this 10/10 with no difficulty.

Agreed

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Silver Surfer could solo in a decent fight, giving him Morg and the rest is overkill. The heralds take this 10/10 with no difficulty. Retarded. Absolutely. Hal or MM would Give Surfer Problems with thier power sets alone. Together they would totally over whelm him.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Retarded. Absolutely. Hal or MM would Give Surfer Problems with thier power sets alone. Together they would totally over whelm him. other way around ... and stop insulting other poster!

Originally posted by vansonbee
other way around ... and stop insulting other poster!
Get a clue. I didn't insult anyone. I insulted the notion that Surfer could solo. That is what I insulted. Surfer would have a hard time with Hal Jordan.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Get a clue. I didn't insult anyone. I insulted the notion that Surfer could solo. That is what I insulted. Surfer would have a hard time with Hal Jordan.

How would Hal give him trouble?

Silver Surfer, Morg, Firelord, Terrax, and Stardust

IMO Terrax is currently the only jobber here currently.
Originally posted by kgkg
Since when did Firelord become a jobber

The only time he jobbed was against Spiderman....
And he does have impresssive showings against Surfer and even Thor.
And Stardust is a beast in her own right.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Retarded. Absolutely. Hal or MM would Give Surfer Problems with thier power sets alone. Together they would totally over whelm him. Fangirl, you need to post w/o the insults. This is the last of my "friendly" advice.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
How would Hal give him trouble?
Um, He's hal Jordan. With a ring that can do anything he can will it to.

Heralds for the win....not easy but i think Heralds win the majority

Originally posted by Badabing
Fangirl, you need to post w/o the insults. This is the last of my "friendly" advice.
never once did I insult him. The statement. yes. If I made a thread with the surfer vs the JLA, you'd close it and call it spite.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Um, He's hal Jordan. With a ring that can do anything he can will it to.

Couldn't SS just transmutate through anything he throws at him? Isn't SS faster and physically stronger?

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Couldn't SS just transmutate through anything he throws at him? Isn't SS faster and physically stronger? What's stopping Hal from doing the same? And Physical strength really doesn't mean much to a GL. They can amp thier stats with thier rings or even transform thier dna to daxamite.

Well SS should be way faster and SS has molecular control over everything. SS can also bolster up his stats. Couldn't he just drain the power from the ring or destroy it?

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Well SS should be way faster and SS has molecular control over everything. SS can also bolster up his stats. Couldn't he just drain the power from the ring or destroy it?
Surfer is way faster? How do you suppose those Gl's get from OA at the center of the Universe to the ends of the universe? And I've seen Gl's use Cosmci cubes and solar energy to repower thier rings. So why wouldn't Hal be able to absorb surfer's energy? You see how fun this is?

SS has traveled faster and even managed to time travel.

If SS drains the ring or destroys it then he won't have time to repower it? This is kind of fun with you just defending Hal with asking me what is stopping him from doing the same. You're not defending him as the better combatant but the equal.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
How would Hal give him trouble? Hal wouldnt. Surfer has been upgraded and would tear him apart if he went all -out.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
SS has traveled faster and even managed to time travel.

If SS drains the ring or destroys it then he won't have time to repower it? This is kind of fun with you just defending Hal with asking me what is stopping him from doing the same. You're not defending him as the better combatant but the equal.
Exactly. Or Hal could just create legions of Hals to fight for him and with him. Surfer would have to get thru hal's shields and then be able to over power hal's will to absorb the ring. It's not like he'd just let that happen.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Exactly. Or Hal could just create legions of Hals to fight for him and with him. Surfer would have to get thru hal's shields and then be able to over power hal's will to absorb the ring. It's not like he'd just let that happen. What makes you think Hal is an equal to Norrin?

Originally posted by quanchi112
What makes you think Hal is an equal to Norrin?
What makes you think he isn't?

Originally posted by fangirl101
What makes you think he isn't? cuz he's just a human behind the ring (kinda like Iron Man...once the power runs out, he's extremely vulnerable)

whereas surfer's powers are inherent

Originally posted by Starscream M
cuz he's just a human behind the ring (kinda like Iron Man...once the power runs out, he's extremely vulnerable)

whereas surfer's powers are inherent
Wait. He's just a human that can travel far faster than light. Pwn multiple amazo's with one flick. Shield himself from the focused attention of Superboy prime. etc.

Originally posted by Starscream M
cuz he's just a human behind the ring (kinda like Iron Man...once the power runs out, he's extremely vulnerable)

whereas surfer's powers are inherent This is exactly why I've never seen the top, standard GLs as the equals of the Heralds; Once that energy aura is drained, penetrated, or a Lantern's concentration is broken, the Lanterns are just human. The Heralds, on the other hand, are usually depicted with superhuman stats with or without the Power Cosmic.

As for the fight, the Heralds take a majority. Too much power and not enough weaknesses for the JL to exploit.

Originally posted by Acrosurge
This is exactly why I've never seen the top, standard GLs as the equals of the Heralds; Once that energy aura is drained, penetrated, or a Lantern's concentration is broken, the Lanterns are just human. The Heralds, on the other hand, are usually depicted with superhuman stats with or without the Power Cosmic.

As for the fight, the Heralds take a majority. Too much power and not enough weaknesses for the JL to exploit.
How many of the heralds have shown resistance to Telepathy? To my knowlege only surfer has.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Exactly. Or Hal could just create legions of Hals to fight for him and with him. Surfer would have to get thru hal's shields and then be able to over power hal's will to absorb the ring. It's not like he'd just let that happen.

Again with the "what makes you think" SS can outlast Hal. The ring has a finite energy source, SS doesn't. His stamina is on par if not better. SS could just transmute right through the shield or drain its energy.

Originally posted by fangirl101
How many of the heralds have shown resistance to Telepathy? To my knowlege only surfer has. They don't have an especial vulnerability to it either, not enough for J'onn to decide the fight, IMO. And I'm not sure the Martian Manhunter will be able to bring his full power to bear with Firelord on the field.

Originally posted by Acrosurge
They don't have an especial vulnerability to it either, not enough for J'onn to decide the fight, IMO. And I'm not sure the Martian Manhunter will be able to bring his full power to bear with Firelord on the field.
Knowing About each other, I'd say flash would IMP FL at the start of the battle or steal his speed and make him a statue.

Knowing about each other, Firelord could have his shields up preventing or delaying Wally from IMPing at the get-go. Terrax could turn the Earth to landslides, again delaying or impeding Flash's movement. Regardless of this, Stardust could/would take J'onn out with fire at the get go, leaving the Surfer to siphon Superman's power or K-nite him.

Not saying the fight would absolutely go that way, but if both teams have knowledge of the other, the Heralds can take advantage of the JL's weaknesses. On the flip side, and unfortunately for the JL, the Heralds really have no physical weaknesses to exploit. Also not saying the JL have no shot at winning; they could take some, but I see the Heralds taking the majority.

Hal is shit, stop trying to deny this very simple and apparent fact.

Originally posted by Acrosurge
Knowing about each other, Firelord could have his shields up preventing or delaying Wally from IMPing at the get-go. Terrax could turn the Earth to landslides, again delaying or impeding Flash's movement. Regardless of this, Stardust could/would take J'onn out with fire at the get go, leaving the Surfer to siphon Superman's power or K-nite him.

Not saying the fight would absolutely go that way, but if both teams have knowledge of the other, the Heralds can take advantage of the JL's weaknesses. On the flip side, and unfortunately for the JL, the Heralds really have no physical weaknesses to exploit. Also not saying the JL have no shot at winning; they could take some, but I see the Heralds taking the majority.
Sheilds up would be prep. Why would land slides stop flash when he would have infinite mass? Or can vibrate thru that? Only surfer has established Tp resistance. So That is an instant option.

Originally posted by Mindset
Hal is shit, stop trying to deny this very simple and apparent fact.

Originally posted by Mindset
Hal is shit, stop trying to deny this very simple and apparent fact.

http://www.forumspile.com/Flame-Flame_on.jpg

If you want JL to win replace Hal with Kyle and Wally with Bart.

Their superior predecessors.

Originally posted by fangirl101
What makes you think he isn't? Surfer's feats.Originally posted by fangirl101
Wait. He's just a human that can travel far faster than light. Pwn multiple amazo's with one flick. Shield himself from the focused attention of Superboy prime. etc. His arm was broken in a few seconds. It was a pathetic showing imo.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Surfer's feats. His arm was broken in a few seconds. It was a pathetic showing imo.
Prime, who pwns legions of superheroes and GLS. Who beat the snot out of ION amped Daxamite and The only injury hal recieves is a broken arm and it's pathetic? And you'll turn around and say prime is weak becuz the only thing he did to hal jordan was break his arm. Your routine is as OLD as barbera bush's wig.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Prime, who pwns legions of superheroes and GLS. Who beat the snot out of ION amped Daxamite and The only injury hal recieves is a broken arm and it's pathetic? And you'll turn around and say prime is weak becuz the only thing he did to hal jordan was break his arm. Your routine is as OLD as barbera bush's wig. Ion is a joke and wasnt that comfortable with his new powers. It also took him time to defeat Ion. Prime also didnt break Superboy's arm and was in an extended fight with him and broke hal's in like a few seconds wit massive backup. Pa-thetic if you ask me.

Yat was nothing special, only thing he had going for him was pretty good durability.

He was no Kyle.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Sheilds up would be prep. Why would land slides stop flash when he would have infinite mass? Or can vibrate thru that? Only surfer has established Tp resistance. So That is an instant option. A landscape transformed into an ocean of moving earth won't stop Flash, but it would slow him down. Regardless, even if an IMP could take out Firelord, that won't be enough garuntee that J'onn gets time for a TP attack; any of the Heralds can create fire and Surfer or Stardust are the one's most likely to do it, since they know his weakness.

So, again, with the exception of Wonder Woman, the League has weaknesses to exploit. The Heralds, not so much.

Originally posted by Mindset
Yat was nothing special, only thing he had going for him was pretty good durability.

He was no Kyle. He also wasnt comfortable with his newly acquired powers.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ion is a joke and wasnt that comfortable with his new powers. It also took him time to defeat Ion. Prime also didnt break Superboy's arm and was in an extended fight with him and broke hal's in like a few seconds wit massive backup. Pa-thetic if you ask me.
NO. Prime just crushed Superboy's hand to dust and killed him. Your routine is old. and tired. and dusty. and is easily seen thru. and unimpressive. same tired baiting tactics. same tired put downs. you'll say that hall got hurt by the spectre and use it as a low feat. you've said stuff like that before. should I take you serious when you do stuff like that? No. which is why i can't in all reason, see why anyone would battle zone you.

http://www.comicvine.com/dc-power-rankings/12-42222/

The old Ion was the best, not the currently new weaken one's

Firelord low showing of spiderman shouldn't be used!

Originally posted by fangirl101
NO. Prime just crushed Superboy's hand to dust and killed him. Your routine is old. and tired. and dusty. and is easily seen thru. and unimpressive. same tired baiting tactics. same tired put downs. you'll say that hall got hurt by the spectre and use it as a low feat. you've said stuff like that before. should I take you serious when you do stuff like that? No. which is why i can't in all reason, see why anyone would battle zone you. No,Superboy flew into Prime destroying the tower. That killed him not Prime. You always seem to screw up the context. I am not baiting. I am simply giving my opinion. Take it or leave it.

I did a battlezone once with a poster who was clearly a basher. He got banned because he always tore into people. Dont go down his road.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Prime, who pwns legions of superheroes and GLS. Who beat the snot out of ION amped Daxamite and The only injury hal recieves is a broken arm and it's pathetic? And you'll turn around and say prime is weak becuz the only thing he did to hal jordan was break his arm. Your routine is as OLD as barbera bush's wig. First off the fight with Ion as when Sodam had just gotten the Ion power and wasn't accustomed to it. Secondly the fight was fairly even until lead was introduced into Sodam's system.


Next Surfer or Stardust could do to Hal what Superman Blue did to Kyle. Short circuit his mind making it impossible to summon his power.

As to the heralds as of his last appearance Terrax destroyed a planet in one blow.

Heralds 7/10

Originally posted by Newjak
First off the fight with Ion as when Sodam had just gotten the Ion power and wasn't accustomed to it. Secondly the fight was fairly even until lead was introduced into Sodam's system.


Next Surfer or Stardust could do to Hal what Superman Blue did to Kyle. Short circuit his mind making it impossible to summon his power.

As to the heralds as of his last appearance Terrax destroyed a planet in one blow. First off. Thepoint that SBP beat Him with that much power and durability still says something. Which was my point.

Surfer and stardust could do to hal what Superman blue to kyle? Um. Two different characters with different sets. Sblue was different from surfer and used his powers differently. And Hal is not Kyle.

As for terrax, it's easy to swing on a planet that can't move, or roll with the blow, or block it.

Originally posted by fangirl101
First off. Thepoint that SBP beat Him with that much power and durability still says something. Which was my point.

Surfer and stardust could do to hal what Superman blue to kyle? Um. Two different characters with different sets. Sblue was different from surfer and used his powers differently. And Hal is not Kyle.

As for terrax, it's easy to swing on a planet that can't move, or roll with the blow, or block it. His weakness was exposed and he isnt that impressive and was new to his powers. You try to ignore these factors and hype him up but it fails.

Surfer>Ion any day of the week.

Originally posted by fangirl101
First off. Thepoint that SBP beat Him with that much power and durability still says something. Which was my point.

Surfer and stardust could do to hal what Superman blue to kyle? Um. Two different characters with different sets. Sblue was different from surfer and used his powers differently. And Hal is not Kyle.

As for terrax, it's easy to swing on a planet that can't move, or roll with the blow, or block it. I was just pointing out that the Ion fight was not as lopsided as what you described, at least not until lead got involved.

Not really Surfer's powerset is pretty much to have any power set he wants. Besides all Blue did was wreck with Kyle's nervous system, something Surfer and Stardust can do.

My point with Terrax was for everyone saying he was a jobber, which he was, and that he would be a non-factor in this fight. Because I don't care what you think when someone can split a planet in half with one blow you are always a factor in a fight like this.

Originally posted by Newjak
I was just pointing out that the Ion fight was not as lopsided as what you described, at least not until lead got involved.

Not really Surfer's powerset is pretty much to have any power set he wants. Besides all Blue did was wreck with Kyle's nervous system, something Surfer and Stardust can do.

My point with Terrax was for everyone saying he was a jobber, which he was, and that he would be a non-factor in this fight. Because I don't care what you think when someone can split a planet in half with one blow you are always a factor in a fight like this. It might also be worth reminding folks that even after Galactus originally took back Terrax's Power Cosmic (and reverted his body to its original form), Terrax still had enough power to render Dr. Doom's armor inoperable despite Doom's defenses. If he was a jobber, then he was a jobber with some darn good feats spread across those years of "jobbering".

Originally posted by Newjak
I was just pointing out that the Ion fight was not as lopsided as what you described, at least not until lead got involved.

Not really Surfer's powerset is pretty much to have any power set he wants. Besides all Blue did was wreck with Kyle's nervous system, something Surfer and Stardust can do.

My point with Terrax was for everyone saying he was a jobber, which he was, and that he would be a non-factor in this fight. Because I don't care what you think when someone can split a planet in half with one blow you are always a factor in a fight like this.
So terax's one showing negates the years of jobbering he's had. I'm glad to know that. I'll apply that principle to darkseid in my debates. Surfer would know to do that and get close enough to a GL to do that like Superman could? And why wouldn't a GL be ready for an attack like that now? Don't thier rings communicate? Wouldn't they send that info back to OA and the rings would provide defense against that kind of attack?

Originally posted by fangirl101
So terax's one showing negates the years of jobbering he's had. I'm glad to know that. I'll apply that principle to darkseid in my debates. Surfer would know to do that and get close enough to a GL to do that like Superman could? And why wouldn't a GL be ready for an attack like that now? Don't thier rings communicate? Wouldn't they send that info back to OA and the rings would provide defense against that kind of attack? Who has terrax jobbed to or lost to thats so terrible in your opinion?

Originally posted by fangirl101
So terax's one showing negates the years of jobbering he's had. I'm glad to know that. I'll apply that principle to darkseid in my debates. Surfer would know to do that and get close enough to a GL to do that like Superman could? And why wouldn't a GL be ready for an attack like that now? Don't thier rings communicate? Wouldn't they send that info back to OA and the rings would provide defense against that kind of attack? Well considering it isn't just one showing but is very last showing, I think I'll use it as a gauge for Terrax can do now.

There are a lot of question marks in that last couple of paragraphs. As to the first one Cosmic Awareness is an amazing thing.

As to the rest with all the attacks that have worked on a GL in the past you'd think they be darn near invulnerable now. Oh wait they still get beaten up.

Originally posted by Newjak
Well considering it isn't just one showing but is very last showing, I think I'll use it as a gauge for Terrax can do now.

There are a lot of question marks in that last couple of paragraphs. As to the first one Cosmic Awareness is an amazing thing.

As to the rest with all the attacks that have worked on a GL in the past you'd think they be darn near invulnerable now. Oh wait they still get beaten up.
For the sake of story. It's been shown the rings store information shared by other rings. I guess I can use Giant DS in the debates as his last power level since it's ok to use that for Terrax.

Originally posted by fangirl101
For the sake of story. It's been shown the rings store information shared by other rings. I guess I can use Giant DS in the debates as his last power level since it's ok to use that for Terrax. Which does not equate to them being able to counter all attacks directed at a GL which has been shown numerous times.

Isn't that what you try and do anyways?

Even though its neither here nor there, I wouldn't have a problem with a giant Darkseid as it falls within his powerset and demonstrated power. Heck, Thanos has giant-sized himself without the use of an external powerup, IIRC.

As for the Green Lantern rings, their protective power still has a basis on the level of charge, willpower, and concentration. An evolved shark was able to get through Hal's physical and psychological defenses, so couldn't a Herald surprise him the same way?

Originally posted by Newjak
Which does not equate to them being able to counter all attacks directed at a GL which has been shown numerous times.

Isn't that what you try and do anyways?
NO. I go by Ds last few showings. Which include DOTNG, Countdown, Sevel Soldiers, and Firestorm.

Originally posted by fangirl101
NO. I go by Ds last few showings. Which include DOTNG, Countdown, Sevel Soldiers, and Firestorm. Isn't in DOTNG when he grows large, or is it Countdown?

Sorry I know its one of the two

Originally posted by Newjak
Isn't in DOTNG when he grows large, or is it Countdown?

Sorry I know its one of the two Both.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Both. Oh yeah

JLA, there are at least 2 jobbing heralds that will drop in the early onset of the fight.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
JLA, there are at least 2 jobbing heralds that will drop in the early onset of the fight. No, there aren't.

IF someone was a jobber it would be Terrax, no other herald here is.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
JLA, there are at least 2 jobbing heralds that will drop in the early onset of the fight. Name them and name the characters they have jobbed to.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
JLA, there are at least 2 jobbing heralds that will drop in the early onset of the fight. All you have to do is say the JLA easily destroys the Heralds. And then put IMO. behind it. That somehow makes it valid.

why even argue with fangirl?you cant talk sense into doo doo stupid.heralds ftw

Originally posted by Nestical
why even argue with fangirl?you cant talk sense into doo doo stupid.heralds ftw

also your name always makes me think of testicals

Originally posted by Mindset


also your name always makes me think of testicals

yeah i wrote it wrong on here,i meant to put nesticles

Originally posted by Mindset


also your name always makes me think of testicals

Originally posted by Nestical
why even argue with fangirl?you cant talk sense into doo doo stupid.heralds ftw
You were reported.

Originally posted by fangirl101
You were reported.

ha ha i find it stupid you told me i should have my head checked & other nonsense but you report me.lol.what a douche.btw,the heralds still win.

bump

still heralds, far too much power on their side.

essentially it's surfer (a big threat) with excellent troops behind him all with extremely high stats without weaknesses, surfer or morg alone would be a problem to say the least.

JLA wins. Thanks to Flash!

flash, seriously? his imp was used to knock iirc j'onn into orbit. oh noez...

morg would tear his legs off.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
surfer or morg alone would be a problem to say the least.

lolwut?

Originally posted by psycho gundam
flash, seriously? his imp was used to knock iirc j'onn into orbit. oh noez...

morg would tear his legs off.
He is easily going to be able to hit almost all member within the start of the fight. If anything, he'll just steal the their kinetic energy. Now what

surfer's not pussyfooting with everyone these days, and morg never does it, with their power on the same side they'd mess up the jla, win or loss.

some of the titans would be bumped up to the major leagues after the first fight with those two.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
He is easily going to be able to hit almost all member within the start of the fight. If anything, he'll just steal the their kinetic energy. Now what surfer'd pimp slap him if he tried it on him, and pimp slap him for doing it on the second herald after the first successful attempt (if it even works on them)

Originally posted by psycho gundam
surfer's not pussyfooting with everyone these days, and morg never does it, with their power on the same side they'd mess up the jla, win or loss.

some of the titans would be bumped up to the major leagues after the first fight with those two.
Like I said, I don't see how they win. Flash can beat SS if he steal his speed, even if he doesn't, he can beat Terrax, Firelord, and Stardust without much problem. They can't hit him, let alone defend from him. That leave the rest to take down Morg and SS. If you think they will beat the JLA, then that your problem

stardust...really?

maybe the lantern can contain him or drain him, but even that is tricky since there are so many other heralds flying about.

speaking of stardust, dude just has to open his rift like he did in the brb fight and the game changes from that. superman and the lantern can fight it but the rest are in trouble.

flash vs surfer.... please

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Like I said, I don't see how they win. Flash can beat SS if he steal his speed, even if he doesn't, he can beat Terrax, Firelord, and Stardust without much problem. They can't hit him, let alone defend from him. That leave the rest to take down Morg and SS. If you think they will beat the JLA, then that your problem

Flash cant steal SS speed or beat him. He is also fcked against any other herald that can fly.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Flash cant steal SS speed or beat him. He is also fcked against any other herald that can fly.
That really hard to believe. The dude can punch very hard and has been the only one to proof to truly fight at Speed Of light in many occasions.

I remember arguing with you about this. I remember you saying that Vibration isn't in MU, and I remember using Flash as a example, and you agree(in a way) that he can steal it

Originally posted by psycho gundam
surfer's not pussyfooting with everyone these days, and morg never does it, with their power on the same side they'd mess up the jla, win or loss.

I see.

So you're basically taking Surfer at his absolute best and ignoring all the League's top feats?

Gotcha.

not saying he would solo , but he's too big a gun to be singled out by anyone of the league and dominated, especially since he has back up.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
That really hard to believe. The dude can punch very hard and has been the only one to proof to truly fight at Speed Of light in many occasions.

I remember arguing with you about this. I remember you saying that Vibration isn't in MU, and I remember using Flash as a example, and you agree(in a way) that he can steal it

Surfer has also fought at lightspeed and can do alot more than punch really hard.

Also NO i never agreed that flash could steal surfers speed so please dont misquote me. The point of flash stealing the speed of people in the MU came up as an aside when we were discussing ur strategy of superman singing thor out of existence via countervibrations (which in the end i showed to be invalid). Heck in that debate you used the flash example in an entirely wrong context. After explainin the irrelevance of the flash example however i did agree that just because a person is in the MU doesnt mean that flash cant steal his speed, however i never specified SS at all. the reason flash cant steal his speed isnt focused on him simply being a Marvel character but rather his control of his bodily energies given to him by his powercosmic.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
not saying he would solo , but he's too big a gun to be singled out by anyone of the league and dominated, especially since he has back up.

If we're using all of them at their absolute best, nobody's getting "dominated".... except for Terrax maybe.

which isn't a knock against him really, brucey short-handed the heralds anyway.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Surfer has also fought at lightspeed and can do alot more than punch really hard.

Also NO i never agreed that flash could steal surfers speed so please dont misquote me. The point of flash stealing the speed of people in the MU came up as an aside when we were discussing ur strategy of superman singing thor out of existence via countervibrations (which in the end i showed to be invalid). Heck in that debate you used the flash example in an entirely wrong context. After explainin the irrelevance of the flash example however i did agree that just because a person is in the MU doesnt mean that flash cant steal his speed, however i never specified SS at all. the reason flash cant steal his speed isnt focused on him simply being a Marvel character but rather his control of his bodily energies given to him by his powercosmic.
I misunderstand you, but then what about.. the rest of the team?

any other JLA'er that can replace flash? he's easily the weakest link here. I mean JLA will still get dominated, but at least it won't be a stomp all the way. why is this even posted? Heralds just way too fast, too powerful, and most of all too versatile. Replace Flash with Captain Atom or Captain Marvel just for fun. At least they'll have a better chance.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
any other JLA'er that can replace flash? he's easily the weakest link here. I mean JLA will still get dominated, but at least it won't be a stomp all the way. why is this even posted? Heralds just way too fast, too powerful, and most of all too versatile. Replace Flash with Captain Atom or Captain Marvel just for fun. At least they'll have a better chance.
I don't know who is more stupid. You for posting such non sense, or me, for reading such non sense

i know you're a JLA fanatic, but you don't need to be popping a blood vessel on my account. =D

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
i know you're a JLA fanatic, but you don't need to be popping a blood vessel on my account. =D

In my defense, most of your statement were inaccurate

i said replace for fun... btw CA and CM >> Flash

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
btw CA and CM >> Flash
Maye in the comic where they are portrayed weaker even though Flash have better powers. What will they do when he steals all their speed? Neither of those character can move at the speed of light, let alone fight at speed of light

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
i said replace for fun... btw CA and CM >> Flash

no they aren't...Flash > any JLA member..

galactus just got a new herald by the way (if anyone cares)

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
any other JLA'er that can replace flash? he's easily the weakest link here. I mean JLA will still get dominated, but at least it won't be a stomp all the way. why is this even posted? Heralds just way too fast, too powerful, and most of all too versatile. Replace Flash with Captain Atom or Captain Marvel just for fun. At least they'll have a better chance.

heralds

yeah but those heralds can move at or faster than speed of light. what happens when flash gets tagged or caught from an energy/physical attack? he's not as durable as those 2. at least they can recieve some licking and keep ticking. remember, this aint flash vs CA or CM. this is about how can flash fare against heralds. he is the weakest link.

I don't know who is more stupid. You for posting such non sense, or me, for reading such non sense


^


not always good to reply arrogantly and hastily all the time.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I don't know who is more stupid. You for posting such non sense, or me, for reading such non sense


^


not always good to reply arrogantly and hastily all the time.

Who are you talking to?

Originally posted by Placidity
Who are you talking to?

xJLxKing

Justice League

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
yeah but those heralds can move at or faster than speed of light. what happens when flash gets tagged or caught from an energy/physical attack? he's not as durable as those 2. at least they can recieve some licking and keep ticking. remember, this aint flash vs CA or CM. this is about how can flash fare against heralds. he is the weakest link. Flash can take a hit his durability isn't as high as his teammates but why would he need it when he casually dodges energy/physical attacks? Wally's average showings make him look like Wonder Woman and Superman's superior speed and reflexwise by a fairly large margin but then again you obviously don't know shit about Flash.

Bruce picked some of the top leaguers. they win. Without WOL, Morg was never that special imo, Terrax is beatable by pretty much anyone on the team, not sure if Stardust can be attacked telepathically, but if not, Hal still has his ring, and that leaves us with Firelord and Norrin.

Ouch.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Bruce picked some of the top leaguers. they win. Without WOL, Morg was never that special imo, Terrax is beatable by pretty much anyone on the team, not sure if Stardust can be attacked telepathically, but if not, Hal still has his ring, and that leaves us with Firelord and Norrin.

Ouch.
I agree. Terrax got beaten by the New Warriors for crying out loud.

hmmm....lemme see the roll call again...

Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter, Flash

Vs.

Silver Surfer, Morg, Firelord, Terrax, Stardust

I just don't see it. I mean this is not even fair. Each herald is always shown to have the power to obliterate whole intergalactic armadas. I'll admit those are some great JLA'ers , but this is no contest. It's stomp city! All that stuff about speed steeling, ya'll know thats not gonna happen/work. Plus some of you guys are taking this too seriously. Comments that attack a poster and not the post is just childish. Seriously, lighten up. I mean what is the point of using words like stupid and or "don't know shit" to describe a poster? This just shows your non objective and almost scarily fanatic thinking. Getting all defensive and shiet. Some of you guys are taking this a little too personal.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
hmmm....lemme see the roll call again...

Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter, Flash

Vs.

Silver Surfer, Morg, Firelord, Terrax, Stardust

I just don't see it. I mean this is not even fair. Each herald is always shown to have the power to obliterate whole intergalactic armadas. I'll admit those are some great JLA'ers , but this is no contest. It's stomp city! All that stuff about speed steeling, ya'll know thats not gonna happen/work. Plus some of you guys are taking this too seriously. Comments that attack a poster and not the post is just childish. Seriously, lighten up. I mean what is the point of using words like stupid and or "don't know shit" to describe a poster? This just shows your non objective and almost scarily fanatic thinking. Getting all defensive and shiet. Some of you guys are taking this a little too personal.

most of the JLA can and have taken down armadas of spacecraft.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Bruce picked some of the top leaguers. they win. Without WOL, Morg was never that special imo, Terrax is beatable by pretty much anyone on the team, not sure if Stardust can be attacked telepathically, but if not, Hal still has his ring, and that leaves us with Firelord and Norrin.

Ouch.

Your unbelievably underating the heralds . Morg without the WOL was still a top herald who could go toe to toe with surfer (heck he chopped SS surferboard clean in half with one axe strike) and destroy planets. Terrax when not jobbing is also a force to be reckoned with. Stardust is another huge threat who cant really be physically taken out, has a very large power output and matter manipulation ( to a level where he can create with a gesture blackholes that destroy even the likes of BRB).

JLA.

i can see supes, manhunter, gl able to do that. wondy maybe. she's not as invulnerable as supes though. she may have trouble to take out the more advanced intergalactic armadas. gl and manhunter have a lot of versatilty to able to do that. i agree, but heralds pooling their vast versatile and virtualy limitless powersource is a definite win. no wait, stomp city!

Originally posted by -Pr-
Bruce picked some of the top leaguers. he could have put in another galactus herald to face them, but chose not to.

Originally posted by -Pr-
most of the JLA can and have taken down armadas of spacecraft. I don't recall any of the Justice Leaguers to have taken out armadas of starcraft. While I don't necessarily doubt they can do so, I just can't recall off the top of my head, the instances where they have done so. Do you have instances in mind or, better yet, scans?

i'm guessing the flash didn't