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Quasar(Wendell Vaughn) vs Superman(Kal-El)

Quasar

Supes

Quasar

Supes.

Starting a trend are we? I'm suppose to type Quasar no?

yes, yes you are. but since you didnt....

Quasar

Originally posted by iceman24567
Starting a trend are we? I'm suppose to type Quasar no?

Wabbit season!

Quasar

supes.

:/

Has Quasar Beaten Thor, Surfer, Gladiator, Or anyone on Superman's level?

Originally posted by fangirl101
Has Quasar Beaten Thor, Surfer, Gladiator, Or anyone on Superman's level? He lost to thor (was good fight) , he tied(lost to SS) never battled Gladiator that I can think of.

any one on Superman's level? yes look at his respect thread

how is Surfer on supes lvl?
Quasar wins 8/10

Originally posted by kgkg
He lost to thor (was good fight) , he tied(lost to SS) never battled Gladiator that I can think of.

any one on Superman's level? yes look at his respect thread

I mean who do you think on supes level that he beat.

Superman.

I like this trend thing Quasar wins

Quasar. Supes is a Solar Energy Battery and Quasar's one of the best energy absorbers in comics. Seems pretty simple to me...

Quasar.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Quasar. Supes is a Solar Energy Battery and Quasar's one of the best energy absorbers in comics. Seems pretty simple to me... its been stated though he hypermetabolizes the energy into a usable form, the solar energy doesnt stay in that state

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
its been stated though he hypermetabolizes the energy into a usable form, the solar energy doesnt stay in that state
Where was it stated that it's not stored as solar energy because I know people have referenced draining the solar energy out of his body before. He might hyper metabolize it for actual use, but I'm pretty sure it stays "as is" until then.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Where was it stated that it's not stored as solar energy because I know people have referenced draining the solar energy out of his body before. He might hyper metabolize it for actual use, but I'm pretty sure it stays "as is" until then. has anyone ever been shown to actually drain supermans solar energy out?

because when he drained the maggedon bomb he stated he was able to hypermetabolize the anti-sunlight because it was just anther form of solar energy, if he hypermetabolizes it, it would no longer be i nthe form of solar energy

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
has anyone ever been shown to actually drain supermans solar energy out?

because when he drained the maggedon bomb he stated he was able to hypermetabolize the anti-sunlight because it was just anther form of solar energy, if he hypermetabolizes it, it would no longer be i nthe form of solar energy
Triumph was pwning Superman and was going to kill Superman by depleting his cells.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
has anyone ever been shown to actually drain supermans solar energy out?

because when he drained the maggedon bomb he stated he was able to hypermetabolize the anti-sunlight because it was just anther form of solar energy, if he hypermetabolizes it, it would no longer be i nthe form of solar energy
At least one person has...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/sifu1/siphonenergy.jpg

...and I'm willing to bet that if I took the time to look I'd find more.

The Sun eater did it to Superman. Fighting Doomsday did it to Superman. And flying thru a red sun did it to Superman. Those are off top of my head of him getting depleted. And he was gone a long time in a couple of those instances.

Originally posted by fangirl101
The Sun eater did it to Superman. Fighting Doomsday did it to Superman. And flying thru a red sun did it to Superman. Those are off top of my head of him getting depleted. And he was gone a long time in a couple of those instances. I thougt red sun only prevented superman from accssing his powers and not that it drained him

I also remember a Dr Polaris instance.

The explination the the solar energy is actually hypermetabolized still makes more sense though.

Originally posted by rotiart
I thougt red sun only prevented superman from accssing his powers and not that it drained him

Originally posted by fangirl101
The Sun eater did it to Superman. Fighting Doomsday did it to Superman. And flying thru a red sun did it to Superman. Those are off top of my head of him getting depleted. And he was gone a long time in a couple of those instances. didnt the sun eater just shoot him red sun radiation? that doesnt drain his solar enegy. how did doomsaday do it.

im not sure im just thikning if he hypermetabolizes his solar energy then I wouldnt think it could be drainined

and is quasar able to drain that much energy from superman?

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
didnt the sun eater just shoot him red sun radiation? that doesnt drain his solar enegy. how did doomsaday do it.

im not sure im just thikning if he hypermetabolizes his solar energy then I wouldnt think it could be drainined

and is quasar able to drain that much energy from superman?
I'd say so. The Quantum Bands are second only to Thor's hammer when it comes to absorbing/storing energy.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I'd say so. The Quantum Bands are second only to Thor's hammer when it comes to absorbing/storing energy. how muc hwould that be...it hasnt been stated but superman has been shown (or stated) to absorb at least half a galaxies worth of energy

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
how muc hwould that be...it hasnt been stated but superman has been shown (or stated) to absorb at least half a galaxies worth of energy
Quasar doesn't really have a limit to the amount he can absorb because excess energy is shunted into the Quantum Zone. That kind of thing is hard to demonstrate of course, but if it's any indication he was able to absorb all the energy from Ego the living planet when Surfer couldn't.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Quasar doesn't really have a limit to the amount he can absorb because excess energy is shunted into the Quantum Zone. That kind of thing is hard to demonstrate of course, but if it's any indication he was able to absorb all the energy from Ego the living planet when Surfer couldn't. also yo uhave toremember his cells are always restoring themselves as well

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
also yo uhave toremember his cells are always restoring themselves as well
Quasar can continuously drain energy though out the match from Supes and while Supes might be able to replace said energy, the drain is still going to weaken him and he'd have to be in top form to successfully take down Quasar. Quasar also has the ability to bend and manipulate light so there's a good chance he could take down Supes Dr. Polaris style by keeping him from being able to recharge at all.

I'm not saying that Supes couldn't make a fight of it if they're both "in character", but Quasar should win more often than not.

I don't see that tactic being any more effective against Supes than against Surfer or Thanos, both who have an easier type of energy to siphon.

Wendell will have problems enough defending against Superman's sheer strength and speed. While a drain MIGHT kinda work, he'll be using precious resources on that and not defending himself.

If blows from Surfer hurt him even with full body armor on...then punches from Supes are really going to put him down for the count.

Both surfer and thanos are high level energy manipulators themselves. Supes is not

Originally posted by Avlon
I don't see that tactic being any more effective against Supes than against Surfer or Thanos, both who have an easier type of energy to siphon.

Wendell will have problems enough defending against Superman's sheer strength and speed. While a drain MIGHT kinda work, he'll be using precious resources on that and not defending himself.

If blows from Surfer hurt him even with full body armor on...then punches from Supes are really going to put him down for the count.
When did he try the tactic against Thanos? Also, proof that Supes's energy is more difficult to syphon?

Originally posted by darthgoober
When did he try the tactic against Thanos?

He hasn't. When he met Thanos in his own book.. He wasn't trying to fight him.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Also, proof that Supes's energy is more difficult to syphon?

When has Quasar absorbed bio-energy from someone he fought?

Originally posted by Avlon
He hasn't. When he met Thanos in his own book.. He wasn't trying to fight him.
So if Supes doesn't blitz someone it means he can't right? The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Originally posted by Avlon
When has Quasar absorbed bio-energy from someone he fought?
Proof that Supes's energy is stored as bio energy rather than solar energy?

Quasar was absorbing Jack of hearts life force which might be classified as bio energy

Originally posted by darthgoober
So if Supes doesn't blitz someone it means he can't right? The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Neither is baseless speculation while we're on it. Unless you believe that had Quasar started to siphon energy from Thanos he would have had a chance.


Originally posted by darthgoober
Proof that Supes's energy is stored as bio energy rather than solar energy?

Proof of Quasar beating a Superman/Surfer/Thanos opponent with energy drain and simultaneous battle?

Professor Hamilton claimed it by the way...and no, I'm not going to search through hundreds of my comics for one panel.

Originally posted by Avlon
Neither is baseless speculation while we're on it. Unless you believe that had Quasar started to siphon energy from Thanos he would have had a chance.
I don't personally belive it would have made a difference against Thanos, but that's just my opinion. I'm not making any claims in regards to Quasar/Thanos, but I'm also not making any claims about Supes not being able to blitz because he never tried it in specific encounters.

Originally posted by Avlon
Proof of Quasar beating a Superman/Surfer/Thanos opponent with energy drain and simultaneous battle?
He went toe to toe with Surfer, that's good enough to me. Proof of Supes beating an opponent on Quasar's level while in a drained state?

Originally posted by Avlon
Professor Hamilton claimed it by the way...and no, I'm not going to search through hundreds of my comics for one panel.
And yet it's directly contradicted by Supes himself in the scan with him and Triumph? Which do you think it's portrayed as more often?

Good, then you can stop asking the same of Surfer's fans .

Why are supes thanos and surfer being grouped together? Two are high end energy manipulators while one is not

Originally posted by darthgoober
I don't personally belive it would have made a difference against Thanos, but that's just my opinion. I'm not making any claims in regards to Quasar/Thanos, but I'm also not making any claims about Supes not being able to blitz because he never tried it in specific encounters.

I don't personally believe it would have made a difference against Thanos either...just like it didn't with Surfer. Thus, I don't see it making a difference with Supes.


Originally posted by darthgoober
He went toe to toe with Surfer, that's good enough to me. Proof of Supes beating an opponent on Quasar's level while in a drained state?

Still waiting for proof of Quasar being able to drain Bio energy, especially in battle. He was in pain from simple cosmic blasts and yet he's going to laugh off hits from Supes...right...

You can try and prove it's in character too while you're at it.


Originally posted by darthgoober
And yet it's directly contradicted by Supes himself in the scan with him and Triumph? Which do you think it's portrayed as more often?

Good, then you can stop asking the same of Surfer's fans .

Great, and thus yet nobody has been able to beat and drain Superman in the manner you are suggesting on panel. Debate over.

Originally posted by fangirl101
In defense of Superman, Triumph was Physically Superior To Superman. So he could just hold him there while draining Him. Not many people can claim to be faster than Superman, with the powers Triumph had.
But Quasar's shown the ability to drain from a distance so that won't be a problem unless there's something to show that you HAVE to make physical contact to drain Supes.

Originally posted by darthgoober
But Quasar's shown the ability to drain from a distance so that won't be a problem unless there's something to show that you HAVE to make physical contact to drain Supes.
I've never seen anyone do it without physical contact, or literally cutting off the sun's rays. And then it took time. I still think Quasar can win.

Originally posted by fangirl101
I've never seen anyone do it without physical contact, or literally cutting off the sun's rays. And then it took time. I still think Quasar can win.
Just because Supes's foes decide to bring the fight in up close and personal it doesn't mean that it's a requirement. He's shown a vulnerability to draining and Quasar's shown the ability to drain from a distance. Now if there was some mention of the necessity that's one thing, but without it being mentioned it's nothing more than conjecture to say that you HAVE to make physical contact in order for it to be successful. Not that you yourself are actually making that claim mind you, but sooner or later I'm pretty sure that someone's gonna.

Originally posted by Avlon
See Ruin.Eclipso.Luthor. Etc.
Scans or issue numbers so I can see for myself?

Originally posted by Avlon
You have to support your claim of Quasar being able to defend against someone as powerful as Superman in confrontation while being able to absorb the type of energy that you claim.
We already know he can because he did it against Surfer.

Originally posted by Avlon
Quasar also needed a device to do so to ego. Details. Details.
He didn't beat Surfer...and SS was still causing him great pain.
Surfer's not Supes. And I've only HEARD about one instance to support the claim that it's not stored as solar energy(which runs counter to Supes's own words against Triumph). And without a scan or at least an issue number to support the claim I don't buy it.

Originally posted by Avlon
You propped up the scan. Did you read the story or just "borrow" a scan?
Borrowed it. Now answer the question.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Scans or issue numbers so I can see for myself?

All findable in his respect thread.

Originally posted by darthgoober
We already know he can because he did it against Surfer.

And did not win...


Originally posted by darthgoober
Surfer's not Supes. And I've only HEARD about one instance to support the claim that it's not stored as solar energy(which runs counter to Supes's own words against Triumph). And without a scan or at least an issue number to support the claim I don't buy it.

And I've yet to see proof of a certain claim that you made and have been dodging all night....

If you really want to play semantics games (and it's laughable that you think it's not obvious...) then no problem...

Originally posted by darthgoober
Borrowed it. Now answer the question.

Sure...soon as you provide me with the proof I've been waiting for all night.

Originally posted by Avlon
All findable in his respect thread.
The respect thread is 82 pages long and is full of unreliable information and misconstrued scans, I'm not looking there for accurate info. Forum rules stipulate that all claims must be backed by evidence from canon sources and a respect thread in no way qualifies as such. So scans or issue numbers please.

Originally posted by Avlon
And did not win...
He still did it. Now you need to show proof that suggest Supes can accomplish what Surfer did.

Originally posted by Avlon
And I've yet to see proof of a certain claim that you made and have been dodging all night....

If you really want to play semantics games (and it's laughable that you think it's not obvious...) then no problem...
I already told you that I didn't know and was checking on it.

Originally posted by Avlon
Sure...soon as you provide me with the proof I've been waiting for all night.
What claim do you need proof on exactly? The claim that the Infinity Crusade happened before the Unilord Saga, the claim that after being upgraded by the Blackbody he was able to absorb and store enough power to equal the Unilord, or the claim that Surfer hasn't had trouble storing energy since the Unilord Saga? Because I'm pretty sure that those are the only actual claims I made about it. When you started probing I said I'd check on it and left the thread alone while I do so. Notice I'm not there arguing the point now? Hell feel free to go overthere and press your side all you want, I won't say a damn thing about it without proof to support my arguement.

Keep at it folks

Originally posted by darthgoober
The respect thread is 82 pages long and is full of unreliable information and misconstrued scans, I'm not looking there for accurate info. Forum rules stipulate that all claims must be backed by evidence from canon sources and a respect thread in no way qualifies as such. So scans or issue numbers please.

Unreliable information like a certain Blackbody upgrade was kept even though no proof of the kind has been shown?

I do understand concerns when it comes to respect threads..HOWEVER, you can still see and make up your own mind as long as complete scans are posted. It's not like you are forced to go with the poster's intent...

Originally posted by darthgoober
He still did it. Now you need to show proof that suggest Supes can accomplish what Surfer did.

Did what? NOT win his fight against Surfer?

Originally posted by darthgoober
I already told you that I didn't know and was checking on it.

If you don't know. How can you make the claim? Isn't the first thing that you brought up "Forum rules stipulate that all claims must be backed by evidence from canon sources?"


Originally posted by darthgoober
What claim do you need proof on exactly? The claim that the Infinity Crusade happened before the Unilord Saga, the claim that after being upgraded by the Blackbody he was able to absorb and store enough power to equal the Unilord, or the claim that Surfer hasn't had trouble storing energy since the Unilord Saga? Because those are the only claims I made about it. When you started probing I said I'd check on it and left the thread alone while I do so. Notice I'm not there arguing the point now?

You've claimed that he kept the Blackbody upgrade and that he could absorb a sun correct? Where is it stated that he kept that upgrade and where has it been shown that he can absorb an entire sun on panel?

Superman HAS absorbed an entire Sun on panel. On panel Surfer has absorbed a portion of a sun and nearly gone insane and lost his cognitive functions...

Originally posted by kgkg
Keep at it folks

Maybe later. Sleepy time now. Worky work soon.

Originally posted by Avlon
Unreliable information like a certain Blackbody upgrade was kept even though no proof of the kind has been shown?
I'm of the opinion that if it wasn't stated that he lost then he still has it. If you disagree that's fine, but tonight I haven't even actually claimed that he still has it. And I didn't claim that he kept it in the respect thread either...

Originally posted by darthgoober
vs. Unilord- Yes Surfer was powered up by the Blackbody in this fight, but he never actually got rid of that upgrade…


Originally posted by Avlon
I do understand concerns when it comes to respect threads..HOWEVER, you can still see and make up your own mind as long as complete scans are posted. It's not like you are forced to go with the poster's intent...
I could... but fortunately enough I don't have to muddle through that mess because it's not a canon source. If you make the claim, it has to be backed by evidence from a canon source just as the Forum Rules stipulate here...

"No Bias Claims
"Batman can beat Thor because he's cooler!" That's an example of how not to debate. We would like to see the rationale behind any claims that one character can beat the other rather than a claim based on popularity and subjective bias.
Also, we insist that all claims be backed up by evidence from canon sources. If you claim that Spiderman is stronger than Superman, then you have to prove it."

I'm not doing your work for you. You made the claim so you can back it up or concede the point.


Originally posted by Avlon
Did what? NOT win his fight against Surfer?
Successfully used the tactic against someone as powerful as Supes while in combat(which is what you asked for proof of). Now you show Supes resisting the tactic in combat so we can see how he'd stack up to Quasar while doing so since he's not Surfer.



Originally posted by Avlon
If you don't know. How can you make the claim? Isn't the first thing that you brought up "Forum rules stipulate that all claims must be backed by evidence from canon sources?"
Are you dyslexic or do you just not actually read other peoples posts? Here's the post I made...

Originally posted by darthgoober
That was during the Infinity Crusade which was before Surfer was upgraded by the Blackbody during the Unilord Saga. And after that upgrade his body was able to contain enough power to equal the Unilord. To my knowledge he hasn't shown any problems from absorbing too much energy since then.

Not that I'm saying it would make any difference in this fight, I just thought I'd point that out.

And here's the claim you made in response...
Originally posted by Avlon
The Infinity Crusade is a definite on panel example though. As for the blackbody upgrade. Is there anything on panel which says that Surfer kept it afterwards?

And here was my response...
Originally posted by darthgoober
Is there anything on panel that specifically says that Supes kept his powerup after the incident involving Cyborg and the Eradicator?

I didn't actually claim that Surfer definitely kept the Blackbody upgrade. I'm of the opinion he did and geared my initial posts with that in mind because he was never stated as losing it(at least to my knowledge). I brought up Supes/Cyborg/Eradicator because you've mentioned it before and I was trying to find common ground for you to relate to. But I never said that he had for sure and I said I'd go look as soon as I read up on Supes's upgrade.

Originally posted by Avlon
You've claimed that he kept the Blackbody upgrade and that he could absorb a sun correct? Where is it stated that he kept that upgrade and where has it been shown that he can absorb an entire sun on panel?
What the Hell, no I didn't. I've said it in the past because different people have different standards of what constitutes proof. But since you made it clear that you wouldn't accept anything less than it being outright stated and I was unable to find any common ground to lower your standards I made no such claims about it because I wouldn't have been able to back them up.

Originally posted by Avlon
Superman HAS absorbed an entire Sun on panel. On panel Surfer has absorbed a portion of a sun and nearly gone insane and lost his cognitive functions...
Which has what to do with this debate? Quit trying to change the subject and back the claims you made.

Supes wins, quasar isnt bad but Supes speed,striking power and durability are to much to overcome. He takes it 8/10

Supes is an energy based being and quasars bands are set to detect any incoming energy signature and throw up the appropriate defenses. Regardless supes wont even use his superspeed as a startout tactic while quasar certainly will go for energy draining from the get go.

Supes cells regenerate after being drained, a very overlooked ability for some reason. Anyhow Supes only needs to rush towards Quasar for this fight to be over.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Supes cells regenerate after being drained, a very overlooked ability for some reason. Anyhow Supes only needs to rush towards Quasar for this fight to be over.

Yes supes cells regenerate after being drained but can u prove that it is at a level superior to what quasar can absorb? In other words instantaneous regeneration? As i said quasars bands will detect supes energy signature and throw up appropriate defenses. Supes also wont go for the big hit from the get go anyway while quasar certainly will play to his strength which is energy absorption as he ties to do in most fights.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Yes supes cells regenerate after being drained but can u prove that it is at a level superior to what quasar can absorb? In other words instantaneous regeneration? As i said quasars bands will detect supes energy signature and throw up appropriate defenses. Supes also wont go for the big hit from the get go anyway while quasar certainly will play to his strength which is energy absorption as he ties to do in most fights.

Why woulnt Supes go for the imediate haymaker, both characters will play to there advantages. I remember Supes cells rengerating fairly quickly, im gonna have to check for exact speed.

Supes drawing power from the Sun - does that really fall under the KMC "basic knowledge" rules? It's not really obvious unless you know about Kryptonians...

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Why woulnt Supes go for the imediate haymaker, both characters will play to there advantages. I remember Supes cells rengerating fairly quickly, im gonna have to check for exact speed.

Umm...Because its way out of character? Quasar actually does go for energy absorption against nearly every energy based opponent. He has even said on panel that it is his preferred tactic.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Supes drawing power from the Sun - does that really fall under the KMC "basic knowledge" rules? It's not really obvious unless you know about Kryptonians...

It does not need to fall under basic knowledge because quasar can detect the energy signatures of beings.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Umm...Because its way out of character? Quasar actually does go for energy absorption against nearly every energy based opponent. He has even said on panel that it is his preferred tactic.

Supes is a brawler...his first instict is to bring the fight to his opponent. He's already blitz city full of villians so it isnt"that"out of character.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Supes is a brawler...his first instict is to bring the fight to his opponent. He's already blitz city full of villians so it isnt"that"out of character.

Those are villains whom he knows and hence wants to quickly dispose of in order to save civilians. This is not a regular tactic for him. Also he would have to hit quasar at pretty high speeds to get in before his shields( speeds which could kill him and we all know how supes feels about that). Speed which he is reluctant to instantly use against people that he knows and regularly fights let alone quasar, a totally new opponent.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I'm of the opinion that if it wasn't stated that he lost then he still has it. If you disagree that's fine, but tonight I haven't even actually claimed that he still has it. And I didn't claim that he kept it in the respect thread either...

In other words... you don't have anything but speculation...once again...by your own example.




Originally posted by darthgoober
I could... but fortunately enough I don't have to muddle through that mess because it's not a canon source. If you make the claim, it has to be backed by evidence from a canon source just as the Forum Rules stipulate here...

Try buying a comic then otherwise, last I remember on panel proof is canon. A lot more common than "I didn't say he still still has it but hey, if he hasn't said he's lost it..." very Bill Clinton-ish.

Originally posted by darthgoober
"No Bias Claims
"Batman can beat Thor because he's cooler!" That's an example of how not to debate. We would like to see the rationale behind any claims that one character can beat the other rather than a claim based on popularity and subjective bias.
Also, we insist that all claims be backed up by evidence from canon sources. If you claim that Spiderman is stronger than Superman, then you have to prove it."

So get to proving. Quasar did not beat Surfer who was hurting him with simple blasts. Funny how you left out that Quasar needed a machine to absorb Bio energy.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I'm not doing your work for you. You made the claim so you can back it up or concede the point.

I've done more research than you on this from the looks of it.



Originally posted by darthgoober
Successfully used the tactic against someone as powerful as Supes while in combat(which is what you asked for proof of). Now you show Supes resisting the tactic in combat so we can see how he'd stack up to Quasar while doing so since he's not Surfer.

I named a few examples for you AND in your example...Quasar did not win his fight. LOL




Originally posted by darthgoober
Are you dyslexic or do you just not actually read other peoples posts? Here's the post I made...

And here's the claim you made in response...


And here was my response...

I think your game of twisty word is confusing you. Maybe it's time to go back to your clone wars.


Originally posted by darthgoober
I didn't actually claim that Surfer definitely kept the Blackbody upgrade. I'm of the opinion he did and geared my initial posts with that in mind because he was never stated as losing it(at least to my knowledge). I brought up Supes/Cyborg/Eradicator because you've mentioned it before and I was trying to find common ground for you to relate to. But I never said that he had for sure and I said I'd go look as soon as I read up on Supes's upgrade.

So you aren't claiming kept the blackbody upgrade, but yet you are in the opinion that he did keep it because it was not stated that he lost it and you bring it up in debate as a point.

Bill Clinton strikes again guys!


Originally posted by darthgoober
What the Hell, no I didn't. I've said it in the past because different people have different standards of what constitutes proof. But since you made it clear that you wouldn't accept anything less than it being outright stated and I was unable to find any common ground to lower your standards I made no such claims about it because I wouldn't have been able to back them up.

LOL...and now you are on some high moral ground. You are the one who won't look at scans and don't trust respect threads. Guess you shouldn't use scans from the SS respect thread either.


Originally posted by darthgoober
Which has what to do with this debate? Quit trying to change the subject and back the claims you made.

How about you actually prove something instead of playing Bill "I did not inhale" Clinton tactics?

Originally posted by Avlon
In other words... you don't have anything but speculation...once again...by your own example.
We've already covered Surfer and I already said that I'll be checking into it and won't press the point until I find proof. Now get back to the debate at hand and stop trying to change the subject...

Originally posted by Avlon
Try buying a comic then otherwise, last I remember on panel proof is canon. A lot more common than "I didn't say he still still has it but hey, if he hasn't said he's lost it..." very Bill Clinton-ish.
On Panel proof is canon, but a respect thread isn't. So post some on panel proof and we can move forward.

Originally posted by Avlon
So get to proving. Quasar did not beat Surfer who was hurting him with simple blasts. Funny how you left out that Quasar needed a machine to absorb Bio energy.
Prove what? Quasar was draining Surfer in combat, we both know that to be fact so I don't need to prove that he can drain people while in combat because you already recognize the fact that he was doing it in his battle with Surfer. The question is how Supes will handle the tactic and for that we need proof from your side because Supes isn't Surfer and feats for one don't carry over to the other. Supes's respect thread isn't a canon source to DC so go find your evidence because I'm under no obligation to do your work for you.

Originally posted by Avlon
I've done more research than you on this from the looks of it.
Good now prove it and provide some evidence for a change.

Originally posted by Avlon
I named a few examples for you AND in your example...Quasar did not win his fight. LOL
Yes you named a few examples but unfortunately I know longer trust your word on matters involving Supes so I'm going to need evidence from a canon source in the form of scans or issue numbers of the encounters in question.

Originally posted by Avlon
I think your game of twisty word is confusing you. Maybe it's time to go back to your clone wars.
I'm obviously not the one that's confused...

Originally posted by Avlon
So you aren't claiming kept the blackbody upgrade, but yet you are in the opinion that he did keep it because it was not stated that he lost it and you bring it up in debate as a point.

Bill Clinton strikes again guys!
In debates with people that are more reasonable with you sure. I haven't actually tried to debate the point though have I?

Originally posted by Avlon
LOL...and now you are on some high moral ground. You are the one who won't look at scans and don't trust respect threads. Guess you shouldn't use scans from the SS respect thread either.
I will look at scans, all you have to do is provide some. If you're too lazy to fetch them yourself then just give me issue numbers.

Originally posted by Avlon
How about you actually prove something instead of playing Bill "I did not inhale" Clinton tactics?


I haven't made a claim that still needs to be proven. I already showed an instance of draining working successfully on Supes and you yourself admit that Quasar was using draining while in combat with Surfer, that's all the evidence that's needed from my side at this point. Now what we need is proof of Supes resisting the tactic in combat from you and the debate can move forward...

Originally posted by darthgoober
We've already covered Surfer and I already said that I'll be checking into it and won't press the point until I find proof. Now get back to the debate at hand and stop trying to change the subject...

Still waiting...


Originally posted by darthgoober
On Panel proof is canon, but a respect thread isn't. So post some on panel proof and we can move forward.

And there are plenty of on panel and muti page scans in one. Keep playing games Darth...


Originally posted by darthgoober
Prove what? Quasar was draining Surfer in combat, we both know that to be fact so I don't need to prove that he can drain people while in combat because you already recognize the fact that he was doing it in his battle with Surfer. The question is how Supes will handle the tactic and for that we need proof from your side because Supes isn't Surfer and feats for one don't carry over to the other. Supes's respect thread isn't a canon source to DC so go find your evidence because I'm under no obligation to do your work for you.


And yet again you play word games. I gave you names, there are scans, and there are things called comics.

You haven't actually provided proof on your end. You just lucked out that I KNOW the material that YOU referenced.

Point is... Quasar still did not win...no matter how you go around it.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Yes you named a few examples but unfortunately I know longer trust your word on matters involving Supes so I'm going to need evidence from a canon source in the form of scans or issue numbers of the encounters in question.

I know YOU aren't questioning integrity. If you're trying to make things personal..just outright say it.

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.downloadsquad.com/media/2008/10/email-lies.jpg

Originally posted by darthgoober
I'm obviously not the one that's confused...

Apparently you are.


Originally posted by darthgoober
In debates with people that are more reasonable with you sure. I haven't actually tried to debate the point though have I?

Reasonable? Bill Clinton tactics yet again.


Originally posted by darthgoober
I will look at scans, all you have to do is provide some. If you're too lazy to fetch them yourself then just give me issue numbers.

You have yet to provide any of your own. How hypocritical.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I haven't made a claim that still needs to be proven. I already showed an instance of draining working successfully on Supes and you yourself admit that Quasar was using draining while in combat with Surfer, that's all the evidence that's needed from my side at this point. Now what we need is proof of Supes resisting the tactic in combat from you and the debate can move forward...

Sure... you're still trying to play twisty word. Where did Quasar win his fight?

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Yes supes cells regenerate after being drained but can u prove that it is at a level superior to what quasar can absorb? In other words instantaneous regeneration? As i said quasars bands will detect supes energy signature and throw up appropriate defenses. Supes also wont go for the big hit from the get go anyway while quasar certainly will play to his strength which is energy absorption as he ties to do in most fights. he doesnt need them at their full potential though, superman has shown he is still powerful eve nwhen weakened (him and zod were tearing up a planet while fighitng under a red sun)

Originally posted by Avlon
Still waiting...




And there are plenty of on panel and muti page scans in one. Keep playing games Darth...




And yet again you play word games. I gave you names, there are scans, and there are things called comics.

You haven't actually provided proof on your end. You just lucked out that I KNOW the material that YOU referenced.

Point is... Quasar still did not win...no matter how you go around it.



I know YOU aren't questioning integrity. If you're trying to make things personal..just outright say it.

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.downloadsquad.com/media/2008/10/email-lies.jpg



Apparently you are.




Reasonable? Bill Clinton tactics yet again.




You have yet to provide any of your own. How hypocritical.



Sure... you're still trying to play twisty word. Where did Quasar win his fight?
IDK what happened to you Avy. I mean you used to be a reasonable and respectable poster, but your misconstruing of scans(such as the Supes/Zod fight) combined with your now ridiculous arguments and refusal to show proof of any kind have left me with no alternative than to put you on ignore, and that's something that didn't even do with nvr. So congrats on being the first person and only person on my ignore list...


... Oh and reported for trolling and refusing to abide by forum rules.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
he doesnt need them at their full potential though, superman has shown he is still powerful eve nwhen weakened (him and zod were tearing up a planet while fighitng under a red sun)
Untrue. That's an outright lie that's been perpetuated by a formerly respectable poster. Supes and Zod were spiritually tied to the planet, that's why it was being destroyed as the fight went on.

Anyway Quasar wins for the following reasons unless proof come forward on Supes's behalf...
Originally posted by darthgoober
Quasar. Supes is a Solar Energy Battery and Quasar's one of the best energy absorbers in comics. Seems pretty simple to me...

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
he doesnt need them at their full potential though, superman has shown he is still powerful eve nwhen weakened (him and zod were tearing up a planet while fighitng under a red sun)

lies. I dont know why some people are delibrately using that feat when they know its context( not talking about u in particular).

Av and Goob, I don't know what the problem is but please take it to a PM. Thank you.

durband

Originally posted by darthgoober
Untrue. That's an outright lie that's been perpetuated by a formerly respectable poster. Supes and Zod were spiritually tied to the planet, that's why it was being destroyed as the fight went on. oh sorry, well superman took the explosion of a suneater after being hit with red sun radiation

Originally posted by ultimatethor
lies. I dont know why some people are delibrately using that feat when they know its context( not talking about u in particular). didn't know sorry

Originally posted by darthgoober
IDK what happened to you Avy. I mean you used to be a reasonable and respectable poster, but your misconstruing of scans(such as the Supes/Zod fight) combined with your now ridiculous arguments and refusal to show proof of any kind have left me with no alternative than to put you on ignore, and that's something that didn't even do with nvr. So congrats on being the first person and only person on my ignore list...

Good riddance. Your misconstruing of scans and trying to make points with silly cases like "space wind" and ""Quasar drained BIO energy" (nevermind that he needed a machine to do it) and now blatant dodging and playing of twisty word make you a less than reasonable debater as is. If you are going to point fingers...look in the mirror.

You won't be missed.

Originally posted by darthgoober
... Oh and reported for trolling and refusing to abide by forum rules.

Trolling suits you better. Next time you have marital issues, I suggest you don't post a topic about it in the vs thread.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
oh sorry, well superman took the explosion of a suneater after being hit with red sun radiation

I wouldn't worry about it. Anyone who reads Superman on a regular basis knows Quasar isn't the one to beat him.

Plus

Mr. Morals here hasn't even paid for a comic book in a decade.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I download all of my comics and don't feel bad about it in any way, shape, or form. I do have a few hard copy's from back when I was a teenager but it's been somewhere in the area of 10 years since I last paid money for a comic book.


Originally posted by Badabing
Av and Goob, I don't know what the problem is but please take it to a PM. Thank you.

durband

I'm done with him. Back on topic Supes ftw.

Originally posted by Avlon
Trolling suits you better. Next time you have marital issues, I suggest you don't post a topic about it in the vs thread.
That wasn't cool.