Who won the VP debate?

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cococryspies
Who do you think won the VP debate? It think one of the candidates definitely did a better job, but I'm sure I'm being biased.

lord xyz
I didn't watch it, but I'm saying Biden anyway.

Shakyamunison
Originally posted by lord xyz
I didn't watch it, but I'm saying Biden anyway.

laughing roll eyes (sarcastic)

Admiral Akbar
Originally posted by lord xyz
I didn't watch it, but I'm saying Biden anyway.

Seriously...anyone could debate better than Palin.

Shakyamunison
Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
Seriously...anyone could debate better than Palin.

Did you also not watch it? laughing out loud

Symmetric Chaos
Biden wrecked her. He had facts and figures straight and managed to pull them out for effective rebuttals and answers. Palin made a point of never even trying to answer a single question, she was clearly told to go in and stay on message no matter how irrelevant that message became.

Bardock42
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Did you also not watch it? laughing out loud I take it you made up your mind then. Congratulations to be out of the McCain - Palin closet. Don't worry, we all expected it.

lord xyz
Just watched some of it. (Iraq and Economy)

Biden won.

BackFire
Biden very clearly won on every level, other than the 'folksy charm' level.

Biden even came off as more human and relateable, particularly when Biden got choked up talking about his dead wife and daughter. That alone was a more genuine emotional connection than any of Palin's cutesy 'youbetcha's' and 'dawgonnit's'.

Plus Biden clearly knows more than her about everything.

lord xyz
Originally posted by BackFire
Biden very clearly won on every level, other than the 'folksy charm' level.

Biden even came off as more human and relateable, particularly when Biden got choked up talking about his dead wife and daughter. That alone was a more genuine emotional connection than any of Palin's cutesy 'youbetcha's' and 'dawgonnit's'.

Plus Biden clearly knows more than her about everything. I'm expecting a huge boost in polls the following week.

Atleast one of IN, NC, MO will turn blue.

BackFire
I don't.

Polls will probably remain the same.

While, as I said, I think Biden won handily, Palin came off much better than most expected, I doubt minds were changed with the debate.

So, polls will remain the same, which is good news for Obama, as he's cleaning house right now.

jaden101
Originally posted by Bardock42
I take it you made up your mind then. Congratulations to be out of the McCain - Palin closet. Don't worry, we all expected it.

hmmm...somehow i never thought the term "republican buddhist" would ever be applicable in any part of life on earth

lord xyz
Originally posted by BackFire
I don't.

Polls will probably remain the same.

While, as I said, I think Biden won handily, Palin came off much better than most expected, I doubt minds were changed with the debate.

So, polls will remain the same, which is good news for Obama, as he's cleaning house right now. I think IN will be blue.

BackFire
Could be.

Doubt it will be because of last nights debate, though.

Admiral Akbar
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Did you also not watch it? laughing out loud

Sure I did. So tell me, assuming you are a supporter of the McCain/Palin ticket what did you find were Palin's strengths during the debate?

King Kandy
Biden had the complete edge. Palin just stuck to her talking points and didn't even try to answer the questions.

Strangelove
I will admit that Palin did very well in the debate, despite refusing to answer a few questions. But she was pretty heavily scripted, and that gave Biden the edge where he could be more off-the-cuff and display his expertise on a variety of issue.

KidRock
Anybody keep count of Bidens lies? Not even half truths or exaggerations..just flat out lies.

Bardock42
Originally posted by KidRock
Anybody keep count of Bidens lies? Not even half truths or exaggerations..just flat out lies. How many was it? None? hmm

Kovacs86
Originally posted by KidRock
Anybody keep count of Bidens lies? Not even half truths or exaggerations..just flat out lies.

Do you want to actually, y'know, expand on this claim or just claim without any evidence that Biden lied? Want to quote any part of the speech where Biden lied? Or is this just one of the things Republicans do?

Scythe
Originally posted by BackFire
That alone was a more genuine emotional connection than any of Palin's cutesy 'youbetcha's' and 'dawgonnit's'. I swaer, everytime that woman finishes a sentence, I keep thinking "Sweet Home Alabama" will start playing...

lord xyz
Originally posted by Kovacs86
Do you want to actually, y'know, expand on this claim or just claim without any evidence that Biden lied? Want to quote any part of the speech where Biden lied? Or is this just one of the things Republicans do? It's one of the things republicans do.

See FOX news.

Kovacs86
Originally posted by lord xyz
It's one of the things republicans do.

See FOX news.

Ah, that's alright then.

RocasAtoll
Originally posted by KidRock
Anybody keep count of Bidens lies? Not even half truths or exaggerations..just flat out lies.
What were they?

I thought it was a tie. Biden knew what he was talking about, but Palin did good to shy away from actual debate and stick with just charm.

THE JLRTENJAC
Originally posted by lord xyz
It's one of the things republicans do.

See FOX news.

Not all republicans, and I have found many democrats who are no beter, xyz.

llagrok
Originally posted by THE JLRTENJAC
Not all republicans, and I have found many democrats who are no beter, xyz.

Do you think actually believes that ALL democrats lie?

Get to work on that sarcasm detector.

lord xyz
Originally posted by RocasAtoll
What were they?

I thought it was a tie. Biden knew what he was talking about, but Palin did good to shy away from actual debate and stick with just charm. I didn't know charm and dodging questions was just as good as knowing what you're talking about.

celestialdemon
One thing that kept getting on my nerves about the debate was the way Palin constantly looked at the camera when answering questions instead of looking at the person who asked them. To me, that came off as being more scripted and not actually willing to answer or debate the question asked. Biden did it every now and then, but he spent much more time actually speaking to the lady asking the question.

Plus, all of her "youbetchas" did nothing for me to make her more relatable to the people. And please shut up about the whole "Maverick" thing. This isn't Top Gun.

WrathfulDwarf
Originally posted by Bardock42
How many was it? None? hmm



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Bardock42
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
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You took that out of context. Biden clarifies afterwards what he meant. Kinda low, dude.

lord xyz
Did anyone else notice that through the debate Palin kept saying "as a mayor and a governer"?

King Kandy
Also Palin kept saying things like "we clearly needed more regulation" and then like a minute later, "Government should try to keep out of the business world's hair" or somesuch thing.

RocasAtoll
Originally posted by lord xyz
I didn't know charm and dodging questions was just as good as knowing what you're talking about.
This isn't about substance. It's a popularity contest.

http://www.johnmccain.com/McCainReport/Read.aspx?guid=343ba934-6417-4b65-ac9e-92348acb5e97
Anyone know if these are right?

Bardock42
Fact Check addresses a few things about the debate:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecking_biden-palin_debate.html

KidRock

Bardock42

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by KidRock
4. TROOP FUNDING: Joe Biden lied when he indicated that John McCain and Barack Obama voted the same way against funding the troops in the field. John McCain opposed a bill that included a timeline, that the President of the United States had already said he would veto regardless of it’s passage.

Happens to be false. FactCheck.com has determined that Biden was in fact correct about what he said.

Originally posted by KidRock
8. OIL TAXES: Biden falsely said Palin supported a windfall profits tax in Alaska -- she reformed the state tax and revenue system, it's not a windfall profits tax.

Best part, he gave Palin an opening to refute that. She just smiled like the airheaded bimbo she's always been.

gryphon28
Biden won obviously a five year old could figure that out

Bicnarok

lord xyz

Bicnarok

Adam_PoE
http://www.queerty.com/wp/docs/2008/10/sarahpalinthinkks.jpg

King Kandy
Lol, so true.

cococryspies
Everyone here seems to be in agreement that Biden won, so why were the pundits being so nice to Palin? Even on CNN they seemed to think the debate was a draw.

chithappens
Cause she is a woman and it would be sexist to say she lost... whoops.

Pezmerga
Originally posted by cococryspies
Everyone here seems to be in agreement that Biden won, so why were the pundits being so nice to Palin? Even on CNN they seemed to think the debate was a draw.

Because most people on Internet forums aren't as smart as they think they are?

Devil King
Originally posted by Pezmerga
Because most people on Internet forums aren't as smart as they think they are?

Or because her level of expectation was so low that when she managed not to totally shat her panties the people on your side of the aisle are pleased as pansies. I find it funny how people who know they're smarter than Frau Palin think so poorly of her, but aren't willing to admit it. You know you're being pandered to by the choice, but you think she's the second coming simply to do what; win a bet, win an argument, love your country the most? People who support this woman are claiming the mantle of Joe-Six-Pack, despite realizing it's a ****ing insult. They're doing the same thing they did when they called their economic plan "Trickle down economics". They're telling you they're pissing on you and you're believing things will get better if they do. It's like buying into the notion that the democrats WANT to raise your taxes while ignoring the fact thay have to raise them to pay off the debt your supposedly small-government minded, always socializing the nation republicans have done nothing to counter. God damn public healthcare, when the republicans just held up a national Wall Street bail out until they could tack on 140 billion dollars worth of pork. They held up the "bail out" until they could tack on their own obscene proposals. And it wasn't just the republicans; some democrats added to it, as well. Is that socialist tab so high when the bill for 140 billion comes right after a 800 billion dollar check for the bail out? No, it doesn't.

Look back over the history books that are supposedly vindicating Mr. Bush. Fiscal responsability doesn't belong to the republicans, it belongs to the democrats. REalism is an important part of actual government, when opposed by the fairy-tale government of republicans that think they can spend with no consideratin of the debt man coming to call.

How about the war? 1 trillion dollars of debt over the course of 7 years v. 300 billion over the same time to treat, educate and improve the lives of your kids doesn't seem so bad, does it?

Admiral Akbar
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
http://www.queerty.com/wp/docs/2008/10/sarahpalinthinkks.jpg

I can't even follow that.

Devil King
Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
I can't even follow that.

Then I assume you're voting your vagina.

chithappens
Originally posted by Devil King
Or because her level of expectation was so low that when she managed not to totally shat her panties the people on your side of the aisle are pleased as pansies. I find it funny how people who know they're smarter than Frau Palin think so poorly of her, but aren't willing to admit it. You know you're being pandered to by the choice, but you think she's the second coming simply to do what; win a bet, win an argument, love your country the most? People who support this woman are claiming the mantle of Joe-Six-Pack, despite realizing it's a ****ing insult. They're doing the same thing they did when they called their economic plan "Trickle down economics". They're telling you they're pissing on you and you're believing things will get better if they do. It's like buying into the notion that the democrats WANT to raise your taxes while ignoring the fact thay have to raise them to pay off the debt your supposedly small-government minded, always socializing the nation republicans have done nothing to counter. God damn public healthcare, when the republicans just held up a national Wall Street bail out until they could tack on 140 billion dollars worth of pork. They held up the "bail out" until they could tack on their own obscene proposals. And it wasn't just the republicans; some democrats added to it, as well. Is that socialist tab so high when the bill for 140 billion comes right after a 800 billion dollar check for the bail out? No, it doesn't.

Look back over the history books that are supposedly vindicating Mr. Bush. Fiscal responsability doesn't belong to the republicans, it belongs to the democrats. REalism is an important part of actual government, when opposed by the fairy-tale government of republicans that think they can spend with no consideratin of the debt man coming to call.

How about the war? 1 trillion dollars of debt over the course of 7 years v. 300 billion over the same time to treat, educate and improve the lives of your kids doesn't seem so bad, does it?

I must say, I enjoy your rants

NonSensi-Klown
I enjoy them to; his rants are great. I remember his rants on gay marriage or something not too long ago. It was great.

Pezmerga
Originally posted by Devil King
Or because her level of expectation was so low that when she managed not to totally shat her panties the people on your side of the aisle are pleased as pansies. I find it funny how people who know they're smarter than Frau Palin think so poorly of her, but aren't willing to admit it. You know you're being pandered to by the choice, but you think she's the second coming simply to do what; win a bet, win an argument, love your country the most? People who support this woman are claiming the mantle of Joe-Six-Pack, despite realizing it's a ****ing insult. They're doing the same thing they did when they called their economic plan "Trickle down economics". They're telling you they're pissing on you and you're believing things will get better if they do. It's like buying into the notion that the democrats WANT to raise your taxes while ignoring the fact thay have to raise them to pay off the debt your supposedly small-government minded, always socializing the nation republicans have done nothing to counter. God damn public healthcare, when the republicans just held up a national Wall Street bail out until they could tack on 140 billion dollars worth of pork. They held up the "bail out" until they could tack on their own obscene proposals. And it wasn't just the republicans; some democrats added to it, as well. Is that socialist tab so high when the bill for 140 billion comes right after a 800 billion dollar check for the bail out? No, it doesn't.

Look back over the history books that are supposedly vindicating Mr. Bush. Fiscal responsability doesn't belong to the republicans, it belongs to the democrats. REalism is an important part of actual government, when opposed by the fairy-tale government of republicans that think they can spend with no consideratin of the debt man coming to call.

How about the war? 1 trillion dollars of debt over the course of 7 years v. 300 billion over the same time to treat, educate and improve the lives of your kids doesn't seem so bad, does it?


Did I strike a nerve? I really was only joking, but I do think it is a toss up.
I am not here for an argument though, as that is pointless
I will just say I am not voting for McCain because of Palin. I just agree with 80% of his views. No reason to argue really, because it's as simple as that.
Have a pleasant day.

Bardock42
Originally posted by Pezmerga
Did I strike a nerve? I really was only joking, but I do think it is a toss up.
I am not here for an argument though, as that is pointless
I will just say I am not voting for McCain because of Palin. I just agree with 80% of his views. No reason to argue really, because it's as simple as that.
Have a pleasant day.

I don't get it. You were just joking, but you do mean what you said seriously?


Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
I can't even follow that.

THe best part is the path that comes from the answer "no" to "is that on your index card" and then "yes" to "do you know anything about the subject)

xmarksthespot
It's incredibly sad how true-to-life the SNL skit of the VP debate is...

Bardock42
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
It's incredibly sad how true-to-life the SNL skit of the VP debate is... Yeah, that one part where she was just talking gibberish was, in fact, verbatim even.

It's really sad when a satirist doesn't need to do more than quote you to make their point.

lord xyz
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
http://www.queerty.com/wp/docs/2008/10/sarahpalinthinkks.jpg Where's the slander Obama/Biden?

Pezmerga
Originally posted by Bardock42
I don't get it. You were just joking, but you do mean what you said seriously?




THe best part is the path that comes from the answer "no" to "is that on your index card" and then "yes" to "do you know anything about the subject)

I was joking about the intelligence of Forum....ah nevermind.

Bardock42
Originally posted by Pezmerga
I was joking about the intelligence of Forum....ah nevermind. Well, so was I about ... ah, nevermind.

So, you like Rush, eh?

chithappens
Originally posted by Pezmerga
Did I strike a nerve? I really was only joking, but I do think it is a toss up.
I am not here for an argument though, as that is pointless
I will just say I am not voting for McCain because of Palin. I just agree with 80% of his views. No reason to argue really, because it's as simple as that.
Have a pleasant day.

When pwned (meaning unable to defend yourself) , it's often best to say nothing.

Pezmerga
Originally posted by chithappens
When pwned (meaning unable to defend yourself) , it's often best to say nothing.

How was I pwned? because he threw a fit?

chithappens
Originally posted by Pezmerga
How was I pwned? because he threw a fit?

Because you can't retort.

Phantom Zone
Originally posted by KidRock
Anybody keep count of Bidens lies? Not even half truths or exaggerations..just flat out lies.

Wow I wonder who your voting for?

Pezmerga
Originally posted by chithappens
Because you can't retort.

I could retort, but what's the point? I would discuss, but it will all just turn into a stupid argument. Plus he brought up things I never even brought up. All I said was I thought it was basically a tie if you look at it the right way. All that matters is how it is viewed by the American people. Most are all sheep in case you didn't know.

chithappens
That's what discourse is for. Saying it is useless (verbatim would be "stupid argument"wink is just a runaround.

What is "looking at it the right way?" I watched the entire debate and Palin even went so far so to completely go away from the points. When Biden was talking about something concerning the economy SHE COMPLETELY AVOIDED IT and said specifically she wanted to bypass that and talk about what she and McCain said about offshore drilling. And kept offering us the Joe Six Pack jargon.

It was insulting to me. Maybe it's because I'm a black male, 20 years old, with small debt going into middle school education and realizing that the economy reeks before I even have done a thing. She and McCain will follow policies similar to the Bush administration which lead to this:

http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2952

She did nothing to sway me and there is no one who makes under $250,000 can feel good about when it comes to the economic policies that she and McCain would like to continue.

Pezmerga
Originally posted by chithappens
That's what discourse is for. Saying it is useless (verbatim would be "stupid argument"wink is just a runaround.

What is "looking at it the right way?" I watched the entire debate and Palin even went so far so to completely go away from the points. When Biden was talking about something concerning the economy SHE COMPLETELY AVOIDED IT and said specifically she wanted to bypass that and talk about what she and McCain said about offshore drilling. And kept offering us the Joe Six Pack jargon.

It was insulting to me. Maybe it's because I'm a black male, 20 years old, with small debt going into middle school education and realizing that the economy reeks before I even have done a thing. She and McCain will follow policies similar to the Bush administration which lead to this:

http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2952

She did nothing to sway me and there is no one who makes under $250,000 can feel good about when it comes to the economic policies that she and McCain would like to continue.

When I say look at it the right way, I mean that she didn't screw up which made her look good in people's eyes. Biden looked more knowledgable even if he was full os Sh*t in some of his responses.
I personally would say he won, but Palin left a good impression. Thats all I am saying.

As for the economy, the dems played just as much of a role in this mess as the Republicans...if not more so. Just look at Bill Clinton and Barney Frank.

BackFire
Palin did better than expected. That doesn't mean it was a tie. Biden still won handily on every issue.

Pezmerga
Originally posted by BackFire
Palin did better than expected. That doesn't mean it was a tie. Biden still won handily on every issue.

I don't think he won handily. He fabricated several points, although I will say he did better overall, even If I disagreed with most of his views. Now I do see where you are coming from and I shouldn't call it a tie, my point was that it doesn't matter if Biden won. Palin did what she needed to do by not blowing it and staying positive. Which is what will matter in the eyes of potential voters. I know it's been said, but look at the debate of Nixon vs. Kennedy. Same deal basically.

BackFire
According to all polls, which directly represent how voters felt; they show Biden winning by a large margin. Why? Because he clearly did. Palin did nothing but spew talking points. She avoided questions entirely that she wasn't prepared to answer (she was asked about healthcare and talked about energy, so on) and was far more negative than Biden. She attacked Biden several times, Biden never went after her, the worst he said is occasionally point out when she dodged a question.

Biden was also more human and genuine. Palin sounded like a caricature, pushing her folksy stuff very hard to the point where it sounded forced. Biden was himself, he felt real, and when he got choked up talking about raising children alone after his wife and daughter were killed, it was a more genuine and powerful emotional connection than anything Palin ever achieved in the entire debate.

King Kandy
Originally posted by Pezmerga
Just look at Bill Clinton and Barney Frank.
Um, Bill CLinton's administration lead to an economic surplus rather then our multi-trillion deficit so I don't see what you have to criticize him for.

SelinaAndBruce
I thought it was a tie in the sense that they both accomplished what they needed to IMO and neither one did any damage to the campaign but I highly doubt any undecided voters were swayed by either performance. It was overall uneventful.

Pezmerga

Pezmerga
Originally posted by BackFire
According to all polls, which directly represent how voters felt; they show Biden winning by a large margin. Why? Because he clearly did. Palin did nothing but spew talking points. She avoided questions entirely that she wasn't prepared to answer (she was asked about healthcare and talked about energy, so on) and was far more negative than Biden. She attacked Biden several times, Biden never went after her, the worst he said is occasionally point out when she dodged a question.

Biden was also more human and genuine. Palin sounded like a caricature, pushing her folksy stuff very hard to the point where it sounded forced. Biden was himself, he felt real, and when he got choked up talking about raising children alone after his wife and daughter were killed, it was a more genuine and powerful emotional connection than anything Palin ever achieved in the entire debate.

You are right, Polls are what determine the outcome of elections. roll eyes (sarcastic)

BackFire
Originally posted by Pezmerga
You are right, Polls are what determine the outcome of elections. roll eyes (sarcastic)

Didn't say anything about the outcome of the election, did I? I was talking about who people thought won the debate. You know, the topic that was being discussed. Leave the straw man bs at the door, please.

Pezmerga
Originally posted by BackFire
Didn't say anything about the outcome of the election, did I? I was talking about who people thought won the debate. You know, the topic that was being discussed. Leave the straw man bs at the door, please.


Democrats love what other Democrats say is all I can say lol no reason to argue further. Joe Biden still spouted alot of BS. BS doesn't win debates. It can make you appear to do so though.

BackFire
BS can win debates if the opponent doesn't know it's bs and correct it, which Palin should have done. And let's not BS here either, Palin spewed some BS of her own. BS.

Pezmerga
Originally posted by BackFire
BS can win debates if the opponent doesn't know it's bs and correct it, which Palin should have done. And let's not BS here either, Palin spewed some BS of her own. BS.

Fair enough.

Devil King
What BS did Biden spew?

xmarksthespot
There was a comment about Lebanon that apparently was pretty much pulled out of nowhere. But that doesn't really compare to the amount of nonsense Palin was spouting in non-response to questions.

Darth Jello
What Palin did extremely well despite her "folksyness": she didn't call rape victims whores or crybabies, she didn't call obama an overt racial epithet, and she didn't explicitely blame the economy on jews. this pleasantly surprised me and i think she did exactly that much right

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