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Who wins?

Ok i forgot the scenario. There fight takes place in the same spot where Dooku fought Yoda.

Magneto for the majority

How so? Remember this is movie Magneto.

Is Dooku armed?

Dooku has the luxury of being able to control just about form of metal just as well as Magneto can through the force. Magneto however is limited to just metal.

That being said, here's how it goes.

1. Dooku throws a tree at Magneto. Being old and not very fast, he is crushed.

2. Dooku uses force lighting. Magneto dies. The end.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Is Dooku armed?

As in with a lightsaber?

It wouldn't matter. Lightsaber= metal.

Magneto can manipulate metal in THIS universe. Who's to say metal in the SW universe is composed of the same elements?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Magneto can manipulate metal in THIS universe. Who's to say metal in the SW universe is composed of the same elements? Dude.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Dude. Nope, you can't say, different universe, different elements.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Nope, you can't say, different universe, different elements.

Dude. Maybe the force doesn't work on magneto then? How do you know?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Dude. Maybe the force doesn't work on magneto then? How do you know? Magneto is a living being, the force will surely work on him.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Magneto is a living being, the force will surely work on him.

Nah. He's from a different universe. Who can say that living beings in the X-Men universe are made up of the same chemicals?

Doesn't we always in this type of threads working under the assumption that both characters can use their power to their maximum extent, for instance Dooku's lightning and force Grip would work if we threw him into the X-men universe, just like Magneto could tear a stardestroyer in half if we placed him in the Star wars universe...

Originally posted by Bardock42
Nah. He's from a different universe. Who can say that living beings in the X-Men universe are made up of the same chemicals? Good point. Maybe SW characters have no lungs or a pancreas.

magneto wins

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Good point. Maybe SW characters have no lungs or a pancreas.

No, it's a bad point.

For a fight we assume metal is metal and powers work.

Originally posted by Bardock42
No, it's a bad point.

For a fight we assume metal is metal and powers work. Sorry, I just cant turn it off like that. I just cant dismiss the obvious.

Guess I am forced to for this fight.

Dooku pwns, his force lightning will FUBAR Magneto. Also, Dooku has force hold, which he used on Annie.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Sorry, I just cant turn it off like that. I just cant dismiss the obvious.

Guess I am forced to for this fight.

Dooku pwns, his force lightning will FUBAR Magneto.

I feel your plight.

Anyways, I agree. Dooku'd win that.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I feel your plight.

Anyways, I agree. Dooku'd win that. I edited.

With force hold, Dooku can throw Magneto around like a Jawa.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I edited.

So?

Originally posted by Bardock42
So? I added on the force hold factor, just saying.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I added on the force hold factor, just saying. Kay, I am already on your side, don't need to convince me.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Kay, I am already on your side, don't need to convince me. GTFO my porch.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Magneto can manipulate metal in THIS universe. Who's to say metal in the SW universe is composed of the same elements?

Despite Dooki winning here via force, easily too. That "logic" you apply to these fights is amazingly annoying, please stop doing that.

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Tyrannus would win. He's smarter, more manuverable, agile, and has a lightsaber and knows how to use it.

Tyrannus' Force Mastery>>Magneto's Manipulation of Metals.

Now if this was 616 Magneto on the other hand.........

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Tyrannus would win. He's smarter, more manuverable, agile, and has a lightsaber and knows how to use it.

Tyrannus' Force Mastery>>Magneto's Manipulation of Metals.

Now if this was 616 Magneto on the other hand.........

Magneto is likely smarter. And he's more powerful when he has the time. Dooku would win, because he could react faster and kill him before Magneto could do something. If he gives them a chance to attack, Dooku is done.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Magneto can manipulate metal in THIS universe. Who's to say metal in the SW universe is composed of the same elements?

well, who's to say Magneto cannot manipulate the iron in our blood? By the logic and feats given, he should be able to. if this is the case, no jedi gots nothin on magneto.

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
well, who's to say Magneto cannot manipulate the iron in our blood? By the logic and feats given, he should be able to. if this is the case, no jedi gots nothin on magneto.

The movie, that's who.

It's been stated that he can manipulate any form of metal. He moved an entire bridge. If we can believe that he can move an entire bridge and we KNOW that he can manipulate all metals then whats the problem?

Originally posted by Robtard
The movie, that's who.

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
It's been stated that he can manipulate any form of metal. He moved an entire bridge. If we can believe that he can move an entire bridge and we KNOW that he can manipulate all metals then whats the problem?

I repeat, "the movie'" does.

Magneto is overall more powerful, smarter, and has far better levels of TK when it comes to metal, but, all in all, he has no defense against a force choke or a force crush. If Dooku uses that, Magneto dies.

Comic book Magneto is vastly more powerful than movie Magneto, though. I'd say he can beat Dooku.

Originally posted by Robtard
I repeat, "the movie'" does.

movie's lie

Originally posted by Master Crimzon
Magneto is overall more powerful, smarter, and has far better levels of TK when it comes to metal, but, all in all, he has no defense against a force choke or a force crush. If Dooku uses that, Magneto dies.

Comic book Magneto is vastly more powerful than movie Magneto, though. I'd say he can beat Dooku. Magneto can only manipulate metal, Dooku can use TK on anything. Not to mention that anything Magneto hurls at Dooku, Dooku can repel with the force. If Dooku hurls say, a large wooden crate at Magneto, what's Magneto gonna do?

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
well, who's to say Magneto cannot manipulate the iron in our blood? By the logic and feats given, he should be able to. if this is the case, no jedi gots nothin on magneto.

Didn't he kill the guard in X2 by forcing out the iron in their blood?

MF'ers do not pay attention.

Mystique injected him with (extra) iron, if he could do that to anybody, he would have escaped long before.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Magneto is likely smarter. Tyrannus' is an adept politician, Sith, force user of the Dark and Light Side.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Tyrannus' is an adept politician, Sith, force user of the Dark and Light Side. So?

Originally posted by Bardock42
So? So what has Magneto done, shown, or hinted at in the trilogy that would make him the genuis he is in the comics.

Plotted the destruction of mankind?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Magneto can only manipulate metal, Dooku can use TK on anything. Not to mention that anything Magneto hurls at Dooku, Dooku can repel with the force. If Dooku hurls say, a large wooden crate at Magneto, what's Magneto gonna do? The difference is magnitude.

Yoda is shown to take a lot of focus and time to stop that big tube from falling on Anakin and Obi Wan. To Magneto it is a piece of cake. If Dooku would let him have the time to use his powers (no more than a second) he'd be dead ... Magneto would but need a thought to impale him with his own lightsabre. Dooku's advantage is his faster reflexes and quick lethal dark side powers. That's why he'd win. Nothing else.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Magneto can only manipulate metal, Dooku can use TK on anything. Not to mention that anything Magneto hurls at Dooku, Dooku can repel with the force. If Dooku hurls say, a large wooden crate at Magneto, what's Magneto gonna do?

I replied to that.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
we must have posted at the same time





Originally posted by Bardock42
The difference is magnitude.

Yoda is shown to take a lot of focus and time to stop that big tube from falling on Anakin and Obi Wan. To Magneto it is a piece of cake. If Dooku would let him have the time to use his powers (no more than a second) he'd be dead ... Magneto would but need a thought to impale him with his own lightsabre. Dooku's advantage is his faster reflexes and quick lethal dark side powers. That's why he'd win. Nothing else. Agreed.

Originally posted by Robtard
Plotted the destruction of mankind? And Tyrannus is head of the CIS(droids) and is one of two participants of a GALACTIC war?

Originally posted by Darth Martin
And Tyrannus is head of the CIS(droids) and is one of two participants of a GALACTIC war? He helped Xavier create Cerebro.


And we don't know (from the films) how much, if anything, was Dooku's doing, for all we know he might have been a complete Sidious pawn.

I always viewed him as Sidious's pawn.

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I see Gandalf.

So I won't watch it.

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Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
If Dooku hurls say, a large wooden crate at Magneto, what's Magneto gonna do?

Hurl a metal bridge at him?

Originally posted by AngryManatee
Hurl a metal bridge at him? Which Dooku will repel, or flip away from.

Face it, Magneto is WAY outclassed here.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Which Dooku will repel, or flip away from.

Face it, Magneto is WAY outclassed here.

Dooku didn't show any feats in the movies where he force-lifted anything near the size of the golden gate bridge. As I recall all he did was weaken a pillar so it would drop on Anakin, distracting Yoda, and allowing him to escape. I highly doubt he could repel something that big or jump out of its path.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Which Dooku will repel, or flip away from.

Face it, Magneto is WAY outclassed here. Nonsense.

Dooku wins if he immediately force choke or lightnings him. A second of hesitation and Dooku is outclassed big time.

Force Choke is likely Dookus best bet in this match, but I'm not aware of it would rob enough will from Magneto to stop him from sending a spike of metal through Dooku ore encase him in iron ore other material, etc.

Lightning wouldn't from my point of view be a option to Dooku, Magneto showed in the third movie that he could quickly protect himself from forward based attacks.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Nonsense.

Dooku wins if he immediately force choke or lightnings him. A second of hesitation and Dooku is outclassed big time. Dude I already agreed with you on that. I was just saying that any attack Magneto throws at Dooku, Dooku will be able to counter.

The fact that Dooku will likely use a force hold/choke/push is what makes Magneto outclassed.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Dude I already agreed with you on that. I was just saying that any attack Magneto throws at Dooku, Dooku will be able to counter.

The fact that Dooku will likely use a force hold/choke/push is what makes Magneto outclassed. But that's exactly the opposite of what I say. Dooku can't counter any attack Magneto throws at him. If Magneto attack, Dooku dies. That easy.

Originally posted by Bardock42
But that's exactly the opposite of what I say. Dooku can't counter any attack Magneto throws at him. If Magneto attack, Dooku dies. That easy. You are referring to what you said before, "sheer volume", right?

This is more than likely in Magneto's favor, since all he has to do is release the iron from inside his body, killing him.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
You are referring to what you said before, "sheer volume", right? Partly, yes.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Partly, yes. I guess since we dont see Dooku lifting things as heavy as cars, or a bridge, we have to assume he can't then? At least not as easily as Magneto?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I guess since we dont see Dooku lifting things as heavy as cars, or a bridge, we have to assume he can't then? At least not as easily as Magneto? No, we assume because, Yoda needs to stop his pursuit of Dooku and takes a few seconds to save Anakin and Obi Wan (from something only pressing with the force of gravity), that Dooku (who is inferior to Yoda) does not have the ability to keep up with what Magneto can easily do.

When it comes to tossing shit around, Magneto is a God-like compared to Dooku, at least in regards to metal. As noted, even the most powerful of force users can't easily move large objects, nor do so with great speed.

Dooku wins this only if he uses his force-enhanced speed and pulls a lethal or severely crippling attack first, otherwise Magneto can easily kill him with any metal Dooku has on his person, from his saber to his buttons.

Originally posted by Mairuzu
-suOPtoXU10 Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
I see Gandalf.

So I won't watch it. Its magneto vs dooku

Originally posted by Mairuzu
Its magneto vs dooku I found the idea funny. Didn't watch it though.

Good enough 131

i didnt either, just posted it

I thought it was funny, the connection. Some people, you just can't appease.

I'm starting to feel like a Magneto fanboy even though I hate him, but when he ripped up and transported the Golden Gate bridge he displayed the power of a god. If there is any metal laying around Dooku is dead meat. Magneto will make it into bullets coming from all directions, and Dooku will not be able to dodge or slice away the multiple projectiles--even if he blocks them they will still be metal which magneto will just keep enclosing on him. If me melts them with the saber, well then he has molten metal coming down on him.
We never saw evidence of a choke killing someone immediately, so even a choking magneto could pummel Dooku in less than a second. Also, the choke is always done within a fairly close range, and Magneto should be able to out-distance him with ranged attacks.
Dooku takes 3/10 via fast lightning and superior reflexes, or in case there isn't much metal laying around.

Originally posted by K-Dog
I'm starting to feel like a Magneto fanboy even though I hate him, but when he ripped up and transported the Golden Gate bridge he displayed the power of a god. If there is any metal laying around Dooku is dead meat. Magneto will make it into bullets coming from all directions, and Dooku will not be able to dodge or slice away the multiple projectiles--even if he blocks them they will still be metal which magneto will just keep enclosing on him. If me melts them with the saber, well then he has molten metal coming down on him.
We never saw evidence of a choke killing someone immediately, so even a choking magneto could pummel Dooku in less than a second. Also, the choke is always done within a fairly close range, and Magneto should be able to out-distance him with ranged attacks.
Dooku takes 3/10 via fast lightning and superior reflexes, or in case there isn't much metal laying around. Are you crazy? The choke has been done over the spaceship distances.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Are you crazy? The choke has been done over the spaceship distances.

Well, I was just thinking movie Star Wars feats if that makes a difference. I am not into the expanded universe stuff.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Are you crazy? The choke has been done over the spaceship distances.

By Dooku in the movies?

I don't recall.

Originally posted by K-Dog
Well, I was just thinking movie Star Wars feats if that makes a difference. I am not into the expanded universe stuff. I am talking movie Star Wars, too. Remember where he chokes that guy over the screen? He's not close to them at all.

Originally posted by Utrigita
By Dooku in the movies?

I don't recall.

No, by Vader. We were talking "Force Choke" in general, weren't we?

Originally posted by Bardock42
I am talking movie Star Wars, too. Remember where he chokes that guy over the screen? He's not close to them at all.

OH yes, you are correct, sorry it has been awhile since I saw Empire Strikes back. In that case I give Dooku the majority of wins.

Originally posted by Bardock42
No, by Vader. We were talking "Force Choke" in general, weren't we?

I didn't think so since it is Dooku's abilities to efficiantly defeat magneto that are being discussed I would think that it would be his force Choke too, but if that wasn't what K-dog was refering too, then nevermind.

^ But the problem here is that Vader >>> Doku. So the assumption that Doku can use force choke over a large distance is unjustified.

In this scenario, if the combatants start close together, Dooku should be able to smoke Magneto quickly with force lightning. Using force Choke IMO, is too risky as it does not incapacitate Magneto quickly enough, which gives him the chance to launch many simultaneous fatal counter attacks.

There is the possibility of Magneto blocking lightning with objects, but I find it unlikely as the combatants start close and lightning travels pretty damn fast.


However, in a more open battlefield, Magneto has a much greater chance. In fact, I believe he could take the majority. The theory being that if they start out with a fair distance apart (which is part of Comic vs Rules, but not in here but anyway...), he could levitate himself high into the air beyond the range of which Dooku can affect him with the force. Then he can do whatever he wants, perhaps including slicing Dooku with his own lightsaber or pummeling him with heavy metal objects.

Regarding Magnetos Magnetism TK vs Dooku's Force TK...

Magneto's control of magnetism is far greater than any force user's TK in the movies that I've seen (feats have already been pointed out by many other members). So Dooku will NOT be able to repel objects controlled by Magneto since:

Force applied by Magneto >>>> force used to repel it by Dooku.