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Obama or McCain?

vincent

Obama, but not by huge margins.

Fact is, McCain needed a blowout to change the course of this election. Regardless of who one thinks won the debate, I think most will agree that it was not a blowout for him. And that's bad news for him.

Originally posted by BackFire
Obama, but not by huge margins.

Fact is, McCain needed a blowout to change the course of this election. Regardless of who one thinks won the debate, I think most will agree that it was not a blowout for him. And that's bad news for him.

I agree. I think McCain has lost his last chance to make a difference.

I think that they both made stupid "he said and he did" claims and "muddied" up the debate. They also, the lot of them, have a difficult time giving a straight ****ing answer. That pissed me off about both of them. At one point, McCain borded dilberate "I didn't pay attention to what Obama said" libel. He said that Obama wanted to attack Afghanistan when Obama didn't even imply that shit. That pissed me off. Does he think everyone is so stupid that we didn't even hear Obama NOT say that?

Also, McCain took more notes than Obama because he's old and can't remember shit as well as Obama. Doesn't mean jack shit to most people, but it does me. I don't take notes.

McCain won because he called me his friend.

Originally posted by RedAlertv2
McCain won because he called me his friend.




I see what you did there. He pulled what I'd like to call a "Biden".

Obama won this debate, pretty handily. He won with his base and he won with independants. John McCain just did a lot of dodging, bad joke telling and using all his time to respond to the last question. Even the Navy Petty Officer that asked a question and shook McCain's hand spent all his time nodding in agreement with Obama's response to it. So, while there was no absolute knock out, Obama didn't need one while McCain did. This never materialized and the every one of the polls I've heard mentioned in the brief time since it ended have gone for Obama. More intelligent, better to handle the economy, better to end the war, better on foreign affairs, ect.

National voting polls, viewer-specific polls, independant polls, swing state polls are going for Obama, but that doesn't mean it's time to sit back and let victory come for him. Now is the time to bash the point home until the close of every voting booth on the 4th.

I personally think it was a tie. I agreed with McCain mainly, but he didn't deliver any knock out punches, nor did Obama.

Originally posted by Pezmerga
I personally think it was a tie. I agreed with McCain mainly

Then you're you're talking out your ass, aren't you?

Originally posted by Devil King
Then you're you're talking out your ass, aren't you?
It's a tie because neither really did anything imo to gain the upperhand on the other during this debate. Obama still will probably hold onto the same lead as he had before the debate. I doubt any voters were really swayed. Some may say they were, but most probably had their minds made up already.
I don't see how you think Obama won handily...besides the fact that you love Obama. McCain did not dodge questions. You are full of shit.

If you trust the little graph that was being broadcasted then Obama won handily.

Originally posted by King Kandy
If you trust the little graph that was being broadcasted then Obama won handily.

The biased little graph? no thanks. Obama supporters think Obama won. Surprising.
We all know there are more Dems. than Reps.

The graph was from Independents not dems.

Originally posted by King Kandy
The graph was from Independents not dems.

Yup.

Obama won.

not because of his positions or that he articulated them better than McCain, merely by presentation to the american people. He let McCain dig himself a hole. There were a few times McCain said, "obama just said _____" when clearly Obama had said nothing of the sort. One time Obama clearly but quietly busted out in laughter behind him. Obama presented himself as being much calmer and McCain just looked desperate......even so far as to lie about what Obama had just said, knowing that everyone in attendance and watching on national television had heard Obama quite clearly and knew he had not said such. One examle that comes to mind is when McCain opened with "Obama just said he would invade Pakistan". lol. not what he had said at all.

another issue that is sure to be talked about is McCain referring to Obama as "this one". At best it was simply disrespectful. The man is the leading candidate for president of the United States. He is Barack Obama, Mr. Obama, Senator Obama, Barak, etc. One thing he is not is "this one". This one what John? Is there another word you wanted to say after that?

Obama presented himself much better.....calm and respectful. I also dig his subtle blue ties to indicate change (red being the standard color for those who don't know).

I don't watch the debates. I read FactCheck to see who lied in it

A tie favors the frontrunner.

And I think the debate was a tie, and therefore Obama won.

Originally posted by Strangelove
A tie favors the frontrunner.

And I think the debate was a tie, and therefore Obama won.

Fair Enough. I can live with that over "Obama won handily"

Originally posted by Pezmerga
Fair Enough. I can live with that over "Obama won handily"

A win is still a win.

McCain's answers focused too much on telling people how horrible Obama's stances were instead of him saying how good his own stances are. That was the one error he committed far too many times.

Originally posted by Robtard
A win is still a win.

McCain's answers focused too much on telling people how horrible Obama's stances were instead of him saying how good his own stances are. That was the one error he committed far too many times.

Obama was just as guilty of that. Take off the rose colored glasses.

Originally posted by Robtard
A win is still a win.

McCain's answers focused too much on telling people how horrible Obama's stances were instead of him saying how good his own stances are. That was the one error he committed far too many times. It worked for Bush.

Quite a lot.

Originally posted by Pezmerga
Obama was just as guilty of that. Take off the rose colored glasses.

He did, far fewer times though, if you really think Obama was the aggressor in that debate or on par, you need to re-watch the debate with an objective eye.

Originally posted by lord xyz
It worked for Bush.

Quite a lot.

2004 was all about "he's not a patriot and he can't protect you from the evil-do'ers" and it certainly worked. People don't care about that anymore, considering the problems we're facing right now.

Originally posted by Robtard
He did, far fewer times though, if you really think Obama was the aggressor in that debate or on par, you need to re-watch the debate with an objective eye.

I watched it objectively. It was actually really boring. lol Nothing we haven't heard already.

Originally posted by Pezmerga
I watched it objectively. It was actually really boring. lol Nothing we haven't heard already.

Boring aside, McCain took the aggressive stance, it didn't work well for him.

Originally posted by Robtard
Boring aside, McCain took the aggressive stance, it didn't work well for him.

I do agree that it is a bad idea to attack Obama. I don't think they should be focusing on character smearing, as it won't win many votes. Actually it might cause the contrary to happen.

Yep I agree that McCain lost the debate. Obama gave clear and articulate responses to the questions, as opposed to McCain spending most of his time making petty attacks at Obama or dancing around the questions while calling everyone 'my friends'. Also I dont know if anyone else caught this, but during one of Obamas speeches McCain actually interrupted him, saying 'thank you very much'. I thought that was terribly rude and just made McCain look like an ass more than anything.

Originally posted by Great Vengeance
Yep I agree that McCain lost the debate. Obama gave clear and articulate responses to the questions, as opposed to McCain spending most of his time making petty attacks at Obama or dancing around the questions while calling everyone 'my friends'. Also I dont know if anyone else caught this, but during one of Obamas speeches McCain actually interrupted him, saying 'thank you very much'. I thought that was terribly rude and just made McCain look like an ass more than anything.

That along with his overly ridiculous smirk.

Originally posted by Robtard
2004 was all about "he's not a patriot and he can't protect you from the evil-do'ers" and it certainly worked. People don't care about that anymore, considering the problems we're facing right now. It's the same problems as 4 years ago.

I think people have finally realised the mistake they made.

both were bad.

Originally posted by KidRock
both were bad. Yeah, Bush ****ed the ecomony, started unnecessary wars, lied, brought out policies that took away human rights, didn't separate church and state, lied, couldn't string together a sentence, lied, was biased for corporations, didn't do anything for the environment...and lied.

But Kerry hated our troops!

So, they're both just as bad.

Originally posted by Pezmerga
Obama was just as guilty of that. Take off the rose colored glasses.

Indeed, but not on the same levels. In Rob's defense, I don't think he is a closed minded straight ticket democrat. In fact, he seems closer to being a swing voter. Just this election, myself and a few others see McCain as a war mongering, money spending, lying, grouchy, ****tard.

That doesn't change the fact that Obama has his own faults, though. I would rather tolerate Obama as my president than McCain. I'm tired of Bush politics and I find myself disagreeing with the few and far between McCain campaign talking points.

Also, though doth protest neutrality too much. Maybe you're wearing some glasses too?

Originally posted by dadudemon
Just this election, myself and a few others see McCain as a war mongering, money spending, lying, grouchy, ****tard. The Bush/McCain comparison worked then.

Originally posted by lord xyz
The Bush/McCain comparison worked then.

No, factcheck.org*, campaign rhetoric, and the legions of rabid GOPs worked. I've outlined my problems with Obama on more than one occasion, young man.


Damn, I just wasted time on a worm.

*Does 95% ring a bell?

Originally posted by dadudemon
No, factcheck.org*, campaign rhetoric, and the legions of rabid GOPs worked. I've outlined my problems with Obama on more than one occasion, young man.


Damn, I just wasted time on a worm.

*Does 95% ring a bell? Yeah, 95% does.

that debate was really bad, it was dueling liberals, let's see who has the most socialist economic policies. Both of these candidates are so full of BS it is incredible.

what a shame no conservatives to vote for any more. I guess I just have to decide which liberal to vote against...again.

I hear McCain is getting majorly smashed for comments made during? Any confirmation on that?

Originally posted by Vinny Valentine
I hear McCain is getting majorly smashed for comments made during? Any confirmation on that? Stuff like referring to Obama as "that one" arent going down too well but I dont think it will be majorly crippling to McCain overall.

Originally posted by RedAlertv2
Stuff like referring to Obama as "that one" arent going down too well but I dont think it will be majorly crippling to McCain overall.

Compared to his already crippling campaign?

*McCain steps up to podium*

"My Friends"

*Hold both hands out in front to try and stop the laughter*

Originally posted by dadudemon
Indeed, but not on the same levels. In Rob's defense, I don't think he is a closed minded straight ticket democrat. In fact, he seems closer to being a swing voter. Just this election, myself and a few others see McCain as a war mongering, money spending, lying, grouchy, ****tard.

That doesn't change the fact that Obama has his own faults, though. I would rather tolerate Obama as my president than McCain. I'm tired of Bush politics and I find myself disagreeing with the few and far between McCain campaign talking points.

Also, though doth protest neutrality too much. Maybe you're wearing some glasses too?

Maybe? I dunno I just don't see McCain as any of that. At least not to the degrees you do. I also think it is really unfair to compare McCain to Bush....just as it is unfair to judge Obama because of his ties to certain people..

Originally posted by Pezmerga
Maybe?

That's why it wasn't a statement. It was more of a question to inflect introspection on your part. I have no idea what thoughts are flying through your head, for the most part, so I left it as a question.

Originally posted by Pezmerga
I dunno I just don't see McCain as any of that.

It's possible that you've become conditioned to expect certain things from your government. You have experienced the last eight years of your most politically impressionable portions of your life under bush doctrine. Also, those around you could also have a heavy influence on your political perspectives.

When there's plenty of evidence that shows McCain deliberately lying to just distance himself from Bush, coupled with his pleas and "logic" to align TV viewers to align themselves with Bush, it's very difficult to see him as anything but a liar and a deceiver.

I expect politicians to lie, but not so obviously. Also, he's an underhanded a**hole. You saw the type of shit he was trying to pull in the debates on Tuesday. That was out an out childish. We all know that Obama's tax plan would NOT increase taxes for 50% of small businesses. A simple google search nets us contrary. Did he even prepare? Also, Obama never said he wanted to invade or attack Afghanistan.

Originally posted by Pezmerga
At least not to the degrees you do. I also think it is really unfair to compare McCain to Bush....just as it is unfair to judge Obama because of his ties to certain people..

Wrong. That comparison is a logical fallacy. Since when did McCain voting in alignment with Bush 95% of the time equate to being on the same board who condoned shitty things?


BTW, there's some nice seedy ties on McCain's side, as well.

You wouldn't say.

http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-5-most-clearly-insane-public-figures-endorsing-mccain/