Click HERE to see this thread with all of the graphics, features, and links.

both wolverine and spider-man are slaging it out... no claws no webs no speed no skills just slug for slug who takes it

Spider-Man 10/10.

While Wolverine has a Adamantium skeleton and a set of Adamantium brass knuckles, and a healing factor.

But Spider-Man is a 15-25 Ton lifter.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Spider-Man 10/10.

While Wolverine has a Adamantium skeleton and a set of Adamantium brass knuckles, and a healing factor.

But Spider-Man is a 15-25 Ton lifter.

wolverine can exchage blows with wendigo and beat him in a fist fight, wolverine can take punches from sasquatch and shrug it off like nothing, all those are class 100 characters... but spider-man will ko him? sorry you are wrong , in there fight at the graveyard spider-man himself admited that he gave everything he could but he just cant ko wolverine

wolverine on the other hand can and will ko spider-man due to the fact its not that hard to ko him, spider-man was knocked out by punisher let me remind you and wolverine is way stronger then him... while wolverine has inhanced strength he also got adamantium bones which makes his hits stronger then the ordenery enhanced fighter

also wolverine is a very trained martial artist which means his hits are way above ordenery character with just enhanced strength , i mean look at mentis or karate kid there strength is just human strength but due to there training there hits like super humans... so does wolverine not in there level but still he was able to knock out wendigo and rough house with only his fists and they are way way wayyyyy more durable then spider-man

lol The only one who has any offensive advantages in this match is Spiderman.

strength doesnt matter here its more a question of durability and wolverine is way more durable then spider-man , wolverine can brake his jaw.. spider-man cant.. i am sure that after few punches spider-man fists will hurt him as hell , he was knocked out already by a pipe to the head which means he isnt that durable and strength got nothing to do with durability

spider-man was knocked out by characters like lizard and scorpion who are what... 20-30 strength class level? wolverine went toe 2 toe with class 80-100 characters like thing wendigo hulk sasquatch and showed a great deal of durability and stamina against them .... when it comes to durability wolverine is above spider-man due to his healing factor, his adamantium skeleton , and his martial arts training which made his body way above human

Wolverine via skillz, experience, durability, healing factor

Yeah because "skillz" matters in a match where all you do is punch each other..........

spider-man got trashed and sent to hospital by morlun in a slug fight, also he got trashed by black panther so seriously it doesnt matter how strong he is but the fact remains the same that spider-man cant take a punch for his class and we saw street thugs with steel pipes knocking him out i mean come onnnn a thug with a steel pipe????? his durability is low, he broke his arm when he felt from a building, faited after stoping a car, faited again after he was shot in the hands while was trying to stop bullets... his durability is a joke sorry

Have to say Wolverine win the slug fest, Wolverine ride out Hulk punches before. Spider man durability was shown when Black tarantula beat-up Spidy.

slug fest 1 person punch then the other... That how slug fest works!bat

I always thought the thing that Wolverine fans hung their hat on in a normal matchup was that Logan would eventually tag Spidey with his claws, which would only take 1-2 of those hits to kill him or incapacitate him enough for the win.

More durable and healing or not, claw-less punches from a peak human (Class 1-ish at best) won't hurt Pete.

Originally posted by DigiMark007


More durable and healing or not, claw-less punches from a peak human (Class 1-ish at best) won't hurt Pete. they're adamantium punches from a world class athletes

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Wolverine via skillz, experience, durability, healing factor

Originally posted by DigiMark007
I always thought the thing that Wolverine fans hung their hat on in a normal matchup was that Logan would eventually tag Spidey with his claws, which would only take 1-2 of those hits to kill him or incapacitate him enough for the win.

More durable and healing or not, claw-less punches from a peak human (Class 1-ish at best) won't hurt Pete.

oh come on we saw punisher hurting him and beating him down h2h , we saw human thugs with baseball bat beating and hurting him really bad saying that wolverine cant hurt him without claws is just not tru

wolverine isenhanced at strength and not peak human first of all, but strength and punches are 2 different things... what class of strength is karate kid? athletic? and yet he has super human punches due to his training... the same thing with mantis who took out thor with her strikes, the thing is that while wolverine has enhanced strength which is already a low super human, and has adamantium skeleton to make his punches even stronger but its not all he has because he got years on top of years of training which makes his punches way above ordenery enhanced fighter and theres a proof for that , was able to beat wendigo with his punches and we all agree wendigo is way way way above spider-man in durability, and was able to take out rough house who is again way more durable and stronger then spider-man .. so i also can back up my claim

its like saying that every human who got ordenery human strength has the same punches... you can fight a martial artist that got ordenery strength but when he will punch you he might even kill you

spidey loses

the only way he would win a fight is because of his speed and agility advantage along with webs and strength that will hurt him after a while

but if they just stand there and take shots spidey is going down alot faster then wolverine

hey didn't a deer almost knock out wolverine once???

Originally posted by Brutacus
hey didn't a deer almost knock out wolverine once???

actually not because after wolverine was hit by the deer his student ran away just to find that wolverine beat him to it so wolverine was hit by the deer got right up and still was able to out speed his student , this case only shows how fast he can recover and get right back on his feet without being knocked out , and for the future please stop flaming

Originally posted by MIXEITUP
both wolverine and spider-man are slaging it out... no claws no webs no speed no skills just slug for slug who takes it

So they can't move when it's not their turn to punch?

Originally posted by MIXEITUP
both wolverine and spider-man are slaging it out... no claws no webs no speed no skills just slug for slug who takes it


No claws but i guess he still has his adamantium skeleton. Hmm, this will be harder for Spidey than i thought. A blow with adamantium bones would be no joke.

Originally posted by Scoobless
So they can't move when it's not their turn to punch?


Wouldn't matter anyway, Spidey has no speed and Wolverine has no skills here.

its a punch for a punch trading blows one after another until one of them will go down

Originally posted by MIXEITUP
actually not because after wolverine was hit by the deer his student ran away just to find that wolverine beat him to it so wolverine was hit by the deer got right up and still was able to out speed his student , this case only shows how fast he can recover and get right back on his feet without being knocked out , and for the future please stop flaming

I guess some people can't take a joke, so you just joined and your a mod allready????
Ow wait your not .

And it doesn't matter iff he can recover fast iff spidey can hit him to the ground and knock him out few sec it count's as a win right.

And heck why do you even need a lot of skill in a slugfest even iff wolverine knows how to throw out a puch better than spiderman.
Spiderman make's it up with the strenght advantage.

So the spider might take the most. 6/10

Originally posted by Brutacus
I guess some people can't take a joke, so you just joined and your a mod allready????
Ow wait your not .

And it doesn't matter iff he can recover fast iff spidey can hit him to the ground and knock him out few sec it count's as a win right.

And heck why do you even need a lot of skill in a slugfest even iff wolverine knows how to throw out a puch better than spiderman.
Spiderman make's it up with the strenght advantage.

So the spider might take the most. 6/10

i dont have to be a mod in order to tell you stop flaming and trolling

again i will state the thing i stated many times... spider-man CANT ko wolverine in the graveyard he gave everything he had and admitted himself that he gave everything and couldnt ko wolverine, also as i said before that if he can axchange blows with wendigo sasquatch hulk then spider-man is just a joke, and theres not such thing as ko him for couple of seconds... they fight punch after punch until one of them goes down and cant fight anymore meaning knocked out and theres no way spider-man can ko wolverine

i guess you dont read what other people post do you?i already adressed the strength issue and mentioned that strength is more of a lifting abilities and it doesnt make much difference in strike power since characters like karate kid, mantis, dareveil, captain america.. who are weaker then wolverine in strength but showed they can hurt super human characters with there hits due to the fact there h2h skills make there punches much stronger then an ordenery fighter in there strength class

Originally posted by MIXEITUP
i dont have to be a mod in order to tell you stop flaming and trolling

again i will state the thing i stated many times... spider-man CANT ko wolverine in the graveyard he gave everything he had and admitted himself that he gave everything and couldnt ko wolverine, also as i said before that if he can axchange blows with wendigo sasquatch hulk then spider-man is just a joke, and theres not such thing as ko him for couple of seconds... they fight punch after punch until one of them goes down and cant fight anymore meaning knocked out and theres no way spider-man can ko wolverine

i guess you dont read what other people post do you?i already adressed the strength issue and mentioned that strength is more of a lifting abilities and it doesnt make much difference in strike power since characters like karate kid, mantis, dareveil, captain america.. who are weaker then wolverine in strength but showed they can hurt super human characters with there hits due to the fact there h2h skills make there punches much stronger then an ordenery fighter in there strength class

You can tell me what you want, won't mean I will lissen to you.
Lol trolling yeah I've been trolling since 2006 .

And iff you are so sure that wolverine would win why even make this topic.

And yes I read what other people write.

Strenght won't matter in a fight???? strenght won't matter wenn you hit something or someone, dude it's a slugfest all that come's in to play is durability, strenght and will power.
This is just till someone drop.
And even thow thanks to the durability and the healing factor wolverine got he might hold out long and spiderman would be a bloody mess.
I believe and since it's my right to believe whatever I think is right. like it's your right to tell me to stop flaming and lol trolling.
I believe that spiderman will win most not by a lot but just by a hair 6/10.

Might I add that the people you list also use a lot of nerve strike's in fights, put any of them against a 10 tonner in a slugfest and they all go down most of the time.

Originally posted by Brutacus
You can tell me what you want, won't mean I will lissen to you.
Lol trolling yeah I've been trolling since 2006 .

And iff you are so sure that wolverine would win why even make this topic.

And yes I read what other people write.

Strenght won't matter in a fight???? strenght won't matter wenn you hit something or someone, dude it's a slugfest all that come's in to play is durability, strenght and will power.
This is just till someone drop.
And even thow thanks to the durability and the healing factor wolverine got he might hold out long and spiderman would be a bloody mess.
I believe and since it's my right to believe whatever I think is right. like it's your right to tell me to stop flaming and lol trolling.
I believe that spiderman will win most not by a lot but just by a hair 6/10.

Might I add that the people you list also use a lot of nerve strike's in fights, put any of them against a 10 tonner in a slugfest and they all go down most of the time.

i see we started in wrong foot i respect your opinion and never said you are wrong i am just telling you what i think about that thats all

and about the strength thing again it wont help spider-man in that case because wolverine is too durable and tough for him while spider-man is a nerd with super human strength and reflexes but he is still a whiny nerd that doesnt have what it takes to put down a war dog like wolverine

wolverine got the durability on his side thats for sure +healing factor he will outstay spider-man at any case

strength? so spider-man got class 20 strength and? means he can lift 20 tons ... yes he is strong but strength is not the only factor in punching power, wolverine is enhanced +adamantium skeleton +weights more then spider-man +got training which make his hits much stronger then ordenery character at his strength level all those things make his punches stronger and much tougher then spider-mans , and the characters i mentioned using nerve attacks and ordenery strikes but even with nerve attacks if they can hurt characters like superman and thor .... it means something , and we have here wolverine who is already enhanced at strength with all those skills and heavy skeleton he hits harder then spider-man

but the most important thing why wolverine will outstand spider-man is his character... wolverine is a tough war dog that will fight till death while spider-man is a whining EMO that always cry he doesnt have the right character to do up against a brutal fighter like wolverine who will beat him to blood pulp, thats the main reason why characters like scorpion always beat spider-man he doesnt have the hurt of the tiger that people like wolverine and captain america have

Originally posted by MIXEITUP
spider-man is a whining EMO

Har.

thats the same reason why punisher and captain america always suck up more punishment then they should because they have hurt and they will fight to death they have a fighter character and you know what even if it was captain america vs spider-man exchanging blows i still would say cap wins because spider-man is too much of a coward to go far enough and captain america will continue to stand and exchange blows with a bleeding face and broken skull

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Har.

well its true... i just cant forget in new avengers when they were training and wolverine cut spider-man he stood and acted like an EMO "i cant believe you cut me you really cut me" i thought he is about to cry already because of that cut

And yeah we started off wrong, it wasn't my intention to piss someone off, it was just a little joke.
That's why I put smilies after the post.

You know still first you say strenght doesn't matter right????
Skill is more important than strenght wenn you hit someone.
Sure I can agree on that, till a surten lvl, but I think iff you place a 20 tonner in a slugfest who might not have the same durability (but still can take it and not like a whinning kid, but like true hero (iff you take a look at the civil war parts where he fights iron man, you have to give spidey his credit)).
Not sure where wolverine stands these day's wenn it come's to his strenght, but don't really think in my opinion that his healing factor combined with his durability would be enough. Sure he got a adamantium skeleton.
Wenn it comes to hit someone with that it sure helps, yet iff you reseve a punch it's also a lot worse for the brains, not sure how adamantium works, but doesn't look like it would expand a lot and the brain would need to expand iff he reseve's enough punishment.
The hulk showed and explained us that allready in the wwh series.
Now I also know hulk is a landslide stronger than spiderman yet he might get the same job than after a whole lot of more punch's.
So won't be easy and pretty sure he would be a bloody pulp, but I think he might pull it off


A other question while you point out people who have skill beat or hang with 100 tonners
Than why is it a big feat wolverine took on guy's like the hulk, than let's say cap who has more skills than the hulk yet he's not as strong?
Wouldn't that mean that iff and I say IFF he beats cap it would be a better feat or just as impressive than iff and I say IFF he would beat the hulk?

Originally posted by Brutacus
And yeah we started off wrong, it wasn't my intention to piss someone off, it was just a little joke.
That's why I put smilies after the post.

You know still first you say strenght doesn't matter right????
Skill is more important than strenght wenn you hit someone.
Sure I can agree on that, till a surten lvl, but I think iff you place a 20 tonner in a slugfest who might not have the same durability (but still can take it and not like a whinning kid, but like true hero (iff you take a look at the civil war parts where he fights iron man, you have to give spidey his credit)).
Not sure where wolverine stands these day's wenn it come's to his strenght, but don't really think in my opinion that his healing factor combined with his durability would be enough. Sure he got a adamantium skeleton.
Wenn it comes to hit someone with that it sure helps, yet iff you reseve a punch it's also a lot worse for the brains, not sure how adamantium works, but doesn't look like it would expand a lot and the brain would need to expand iff he reseve's enough punishment.
The hulk showed and explained us that allready in the wwh series.
Now I also know hulk is a landslide stronger than spiderman yet he might get the same job than after a whole lot of more punch's.
So won't be easy and pretty sure he would be a bloody pulp, but I think he might pull it off


A other question while you point out people who have skill beat or hang with 100 tonners
Than why is it a big feat wolverine took on guy's like the hulk, than let's say cap who has more skills than the hulk yet he's not as strong?
Wouldn't that mean that iff and I say IFF he beats cap it would be a better feat or just as impressive than iff and I say IFF he would beat the hulk?

well i already explained my point and you gave your point of view fair enough

you think that class 20 is enough to put wolverine down and i gave examples why it wont work now as far as hulk yes hulk did brain damage wolverine but that was WWH who was above 100 ton strength... well i dont even need to tell you how strong he is, anyway if spider-man will land a lot of shots it wont help simple because when hulk was punching wolverine his hits were so strong that his healing factor wasnt fast enough to heal between the punches... but spider-man is no where near that strong and wolverine took way worse beating from way stronger characters and heald right at the second, sasquatch who is class 90 if i am right was trashing wolverine punch after punch and wolverine got right up without any daze or any damage,but this slug wont go that far it wont take that much time because i can promise you that very soon spider-man will go down, if thugs with baseball bats were able to send spider-man to hospital then i am sure punches from enhanced martial artist with adamantium skeleton will kill him

well about wolverins strength he is enhanced at strength which means he is at low level of super human strength and as stated is able to lift 2 tons... there are a lot of showings where he lifts up blob who weights 1 ton, throwing a dumpster full of trash, braking titanium chains ... but overall he is stronger then captain america

listen a very trained fighter like lets say karate kid who got to the point he got super human strikes... yes his strikes are super human strong but he doesnt have all the other feats to go with that i mean why is that so impresive for wolverine to take out hulk? because hulk not only punch hard but he got the durability the strength and all the package to go with that ... now captain america is a well trained fighter and can hurt super human beings but it doesnt mean that he is at there level overall... if hulk punch captain america full power he should cripple him , and to tell you the truth i dont know why people always compare captain america to wolverine the only thing they have in comon is there skills, wolverine is faster stronger much more durable more vicious... i dont get it sorry , but i hope you got my point because i sure got your point

Originally posted by MIXEITUP
wolverine can exchage blows with wendigo and beat him in a fist fight, wolverine can take punches from sasquatch and shrug it off like nothing, all those are class 100 characters... but spider-man will ko him? sorry you are wrong , in there fight at the graveyard spider-man himself admited that he gave everything he could but he just cant ko wolverine

wolverine on the other hand can and will ko spider-man due to the fact its not that hard to ko him, spider-man was knocked out by punisher let me remind you and wolverine is way stronger then him... while wolverine has inhanced strength he also got adamantium bones which makes his hits stronger then the ordenery enhanced fighter

also wolverine is a very trained martial artist which means his hits are way above ordenery character with just enhanced strength , i mean look at mentis or karate kid there strength is just human strength but due to there training there hits like super humans... so does wolverine not in there level but still he was able to knock out wendigo and rough house with only his fists and they are way way wayyyyy more durable then spider-man

So you mean you're giving Wolverine his toughness, his adamantium skeleton combined with a healing factor, but Spidey gets no speed, or Spider Sense? I think I know what type of thread this is.

Originally posted by MIXEITUP
both wolverine and spider-man are slaging it out... no claws no webs no speed no skills just slug for slug who takes it damn, a slug fight? ...hmmm... if i were spider-man, I would find me the biggest banana slug then hit it with radiation.

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/2772/1066533bananaslugismovipt4.th.jpghttp://img139.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif for the win.

Originally posted by MIXEITUP
thats the same reason why punisher and captain america always suck up more punishment then they should because they have hurt and they will fight to death they have a fighter character and you know what even if it was captain america vs spider-man exchanging blows i still would say cap wins because spider-man is too much of a coward to go far enough and captain america will continue to stand and exchange blows with a bleeding face and broken skull

Do you ever read Spiderman-he is fighter and doesn't give up. I'm not saying he can overcome Logans HF, but he certainly ain't a coward who goes down crying after the 1st punch

Wolverine

Spider-Man, he's always been pretty strong, and to my knowledge recently his power has increased a little more. Wolverine isn't all that super-strong, to be honest, but he has a healing factor in his favor.

Originally posted by Stoic
So you mean you're giving Wolverine his toughness, his adamantium skeleton combined with a healing factor, but Spidey gets no speed, or Spider Sense? I think I know what type of thread this is.

i think that i know why you might think that way judging by your signature, i took away wolverines claws which are his main weapon why should i take his adamantium or healing factor? its part of his powers just like taking spider-mans strength from him ... also i took away wolverines skills for that match ... spider-mans webs for wolverines claws, spider-mans agility and speed were taken away from this match but so are wolverines skills and his animalistic senses... i think its fair enough wolverine got durabilty adavantade spider-man got strength advantade but its not my fault that wolverine hits harder due to his training so you say its a spite thread just because spider-man lose? please

Originally posted by BUSTER1
Do you ever read Spiderman-he is fighter and doesn't give up. I'm not saying he can overcome Logans HF, but he certainly ain't a coward who goes down crying after the 1st punch

i really dont want to start flaming spider-man but he is a fighter? he always crying how misruble he is he always feel sorry for himself and look at his fights he never got the real hurt like wolverine or captain america you see that he doesnt have the killer instinct to really beat his oponnents... when i see spider-man fight i dont see his as an agresive fighter i see him more like a defence fighter that fights just to defend himself and he doesnt have that killer instinct to beat most of the oponnets he could and should like all the times punisher took him out with h2h combat or kraven or black cat ... they got the thing he doesnt have

thats the reason why spider-man is still stuck in street level category and getting beat up by street levelers, characters like blade, black panther are owening him daily bases.. judging by there feats should they? but they are owening him time after time after time again and again because they are too skilled for him but most important they have that killer instinct that spider-man doesnt have .... i always see him as a nerd with super speed and strength and nothing more, thets my opinion and the way i see it because he really got the potential to be much better fighter but his character is what keeping him away from that

Originally posted by MIXEITUP
i really dont want to start flaming spider-man but he is a fighter? he always crying how misruble he is he always feel sorry for himself and look at his fights he never got the real hurt like wolverine or captain america you see that he doesnt have the killer instinct to really beat his oponnents... when i see spider-man fight i dont see his as an agresive fighter i see him more like a defence fighter that fights just to defend himself and he doesnt have that killer instinct to beat most of the oponnets he could and should like all the times punisher took him out with h2h combat or kraven or black cat ... they got the thing he doesnt have

You really know nothing of Spiderman do you. I've read plenty of Stories where he keeps going, no matter how badly hurt he is. Look at his infamous fight with Firelord-the outcome, Spiderman beating a cosmically powered former herald of Galactus, was PIS. The fact he kept going, not giving up, wasn't- at least not to anyone who knows the character. In the Marvel universe Spiderman is respected throughout the super hero community, because of his never say die attitude and courage. What about the powerless storyline in Amazing Spiderman issues 341-343. In that story Pete has his power staken away, so he can give up being Spiderman, and save his Aunt from the shock of him dying in action (her fiance had recently died) While temporarily normal he still risked his life fighting villains like Tarantula and Scorpion, to save others-that doesn't sound like a cowardly crybaby to me. You might want to check your facts

Originally posted by BUSTER1
Look at his infamous fight with Firelord-the outcome, Spiderman beating a cosmically powered former herald of Galactus

just by saying that you lost any cradability and i stoped reading your post because that was a joke and not a fight its like the time wolverine took a nuke and he didnt even lose his cloth like even his cloths had healing factor

sometimes in some storylines writers show him in a different shadow, in some storylines the writer deside to give him balls but if we look at spider-man overall he doesnt have the agresion that most fighter have when they fight... even when spider-man fought the first form of sabretooth who was weaker and slower then him and still sabretooth owned him with punisher... why? because spider-man was scared when he fought sabretooth and most of the time avoided him, thats how he fights he is jumping around and avoiding everybody unlike wolverine who goes punch for punch like a real war dog

Someone hasn't read a lot about spiderman iff you ask me, heck check the Civil war series.
You say he get beat up by blade and black panther, can't really say that black panther is a real street level guy.
Look at him now leading his country against the skrull invasion.
Correct me iff I'm wrong but didn't he beat cap or wasn't he about to beat him even thow he was showing show cap great respect.
Wasn't he one of the only persons to switch side's while his face was allready on tv, and took on Iron Man while he sure as hell didn't stand much of a change.
Doesn't really sound like a whinning little nerd iff you ask me.

Originally posted by MIXEITUP
just by saying that you lost any cradability and i stoped reading your post because that was a joke and not a fight its like the time wolverine took a nuke and he didnt even lose his cloth like even his cloths had healing factor

How have I lost credibilty- my point, as you are unable to grasp, is that Parker isn't a cowardly quitter. I actually stated that the fight was PIS, but I pointed out that in that fight, as in virtually all Spiderman's fights he kept going to the end. I notice that you don't make any reference to anything else in my post, as it shows up your claim-that Spiderman is a gutless coward-for the nonsense that is is

Originally posted by MIXEITUP
sometimes in some storylines writers show him in a different shadow, in some storylines the writer deside to give him balls but if we look at spider-man overall he doesnt have the agresion that most fighter have when they fight... even when spider-man fought the first form of sabretooth who was weaker and slower then him and still sabretooth owned him with punisher... why? because spider-man was scared when he fought sabretooth and most of the time avoided him, thats how he fights he is jumping around and avoiding everybody unlike wolverine who goes punch for punch like a real war dog

Well maybe they show people that spiderman starts to grow up, can you blame a kid for not showing the agression some others has while he first showed up, they showed him like a real kid.
How old was he back than???
These day's he's like what 25/30??
He really grew within the years, maybe that's the reason writers these day's give him some balls, because even thow he doens't have the war experience or the trauma like wolverine, the punisher or cap.
He starts to grow up.

Originally posted by Brutacus
Someone hasn't read a lot about spiderman iff you ask me, heck check the Civil war series.
You say he get beat up by blade and black panther, can't really say that black panther is a real street level guy.
Look at him now leading his country against the skrull invasion.
Correct me iff I'm wrong but didn't he beat cap or wasn't he about to beat him even thow he was showing show cap great respect.
Wasn't he one of the only persons to switch side's while his face was allready on tv, and took on Iron Man while he sure as hell didn't stand much of a change.
Doesn't really sound like a whinning little nerd iff you ask me.

i saw civil war serious and saw that spider-man again almost got killed and punisher had to save him

black panther is a great fighter but he is a street leveler like captain america and daredevil same feats same showings slightly over captain america i would say but overall yes black panther is a street leveler unless he got some super human speed and strength i didnt know about

first of all i know spider-man fights people you dont have to tell me "ohh looky here he was trying to fight iron man that means he isnt scared to fight" ... we all agree that spider-man IS a super hero and he fights people otherwise he wouldnt be a super hero ... but compared to the other heroes he is coward and a nerd sorry to tell you that, its like all those movies where you see the nerd getting beat up and he comes to some braking point where he shows hurt and fights the bad guy but thats not really an imprasive feat its just something impresive compared to what he was before thats all

my point is still valid and you know it.. when spider-man fight someone most of the fight he is trying to avoid and get out the range and only when its safe he is trying to land some blows and thats how he acts overall, he always crying how misruble he is and boo hoo i love mj boo hoo i have great resposibility ... come on if you look at captain america wolverine black panther and then you look at spider-man ... you will say that he is a joke, some people like him because of many things but fighter he is not compared to the real lions of marvel universe like the guys i mentioned

Originally posted by MIXEITUP
i saw civil war serious and saw that spider-man again almost got killed and punisher had to save him

black panther is a great fighter but he is a street leveler like captain america and daredevil same feats same showings slightly over captain america i would say but overall yes black panther is a street leveler unless he got some super human speed and strength i didnt know about

first of all i know spider-man fights people you dont have to tell me "ohh looky here he was trying to fight iron man that means he isnt scared to fight" ... we all agree that spider-man IS a super hero and he fights people otherwise he wouldnt be a super hero ... but compared to the other heroes he is coward and a nerd sorry to tell you that, its like all those movies where you see the nerd getting beat up and he comes to some braking point where he shows hurt and fights the bad guy but thats not really an imprasive feat its just something impresive compared to what he was before thats all

my point is still valid and you know it.. when spider-man fight someone most of the fight he is trying to avoid and get out the range and only when its safe he is trying to land some blows and thats how he acts overall, he always crying how misruble he is and boo hoo i love mj boo hoo i have great resposibility ... come on if you look at captain america wolverine black panther and then you look at spider-man ... you will say that he is a joke, some people like him because of many things but fighter he is not compared to the real lions of marvel universe like the guys i mentioned

Your point is completely invalid-a courageous hero is a courageous hero- and that is what Spiderman has been consistently portrayed as. He fought Scorpion, when powerless, to save the life of another (Jameson)his heart is as great as any of the people you mentioned. Are you telling me that Captain America, Black Panther etc...all go toe to with all their adversaries, and never dodge enemy attacks. Fair enough, you hate the character, but don't post total lies about him

Originally posted by BUSTER1
Your point is completely invalid-a courageous hero is a courageous hero- and that is what Spiderman has been consistently portrayed as. He fought Scorpion, when powerless, to save the life of another (Jameson)his heart is as great as any of the people you mentioned. Are you telling me that Captain America, Black Panther etc...all go toe to with all their adversaries, and never dodge enemy attacks. Fair enough, you hate the character, but don't post total lies about him

yes you got me i hate spider-man so much he raped my sister killed my parents and burned my house i will get him one day

i am lying? tell me he doesnt scarred in half of his fight, tell me that even when he fights characters weaker then him he is avoing everybody and sticking to walls instead of fighting fist 2 fist , he does fight people but compared to others he fight cowardly and its a stone cold fact so dont call poeple lyers just because you are mad and read some of his fights without the fan glasses alright? and tell me if he ever slug it out because 90% of his fights he lands a kick out of nowhere and then jump 1 freakin mile away from his oponnent to safety on some building or something

Originally posted by MIXEITUP
yes you got me i hate spider-man so much he raped my sister killed my parents and burned my house i will get him one day

i am lying? tell me he doesnt scarred in half of his fight, tell me that even when he fights characters weaker then him he is avoing everybody and sticking to walls instead of fighting fist 2 fist , he does fight people but compared to others he fight cowardly and its a stone cold fact so dont call poeple lyers just because you are mad and read some of his fights without the fan glasses alright? and tell me if he ever slug it out because 90% of his fights he lands a kick out of nowhere and then jump 1 freakin mile away from his oponnent to safety on some building or something

One question, iff a fighter was faster than his opponent wouldn't it be smart to dodge and since wenn is it a coward way to fight??
Why would you go toe to toe with someone while you can easy win from him without getting your pretty face smashed in, heck issn't that also what the skilled fighters do dodge or block with the arms and legs roll with the punch and kick.
Not take the punch to the face and smile about it.
And him getting scared won't mean that's a bad think.
Everybody get's some kind of adrenaline rush (well maybe not in comics lol), but that's just normal.

Originally posted by MIXEITUP
yes you got me i hate spider-man so much he raped my sister killed my parents and burned my house i will get him one day

i am lying? tell me he doesnt scarred in half of his fight, tell me that even when he fights characters weaker then him he is avoing everybody and sticking to walls instead of fighting fist 2 fist , he does fight people but compared to others he fight cowardly and its a stone cold fact so dont call poeple lyers just because you are mad and read some of his fights without the fan glasses alright? and tell me if he ever slug it out because 90% of his fights he lands a kick out of nowhere and then jump 1 freakin mile away from his oponnent to safety on some building or something

What is cowardly about fighting smart? -he uses his speed and agility to avoid hits, while landing some of his own. And please check out his fights, he has often gone for the speed blitz on many much more powerful foes, by jumping around them, close enough for them to grab him or hit him, while landing blows of his own-NOT punching/kicking once then hightailing it. Captain America, 1 of the lions you mentioned, doesn't drop his shield when faced with the Hulk, shout "come on then!!" and proceed to swap punches-he doges the the Hulk, and blocks with his shield to avoid getting tagged-do you call him a coward for that??
"stone cold fact"-don't make me laugh

Originally posted by Brutacus
One question, iff a fighter was faster than his opponent wouldn't it be smart to dodge and since wenn is it a coward way to fight??
Why would you go toe to toe with someone while you can easy win from him without getting your pretty face smashed in, heck issn't that also what the skilled fighters do dodge or block with the arms and legs roll with the punch and kick.
Not take the punch to the face and smile about it.
And him getting scared won't mean that's a bad think.
Everybody get's some kind of adrenaline rush (well maybe not in comics lol), but that's just normal.

i never mentioned anything about dodging i mentioned that he always jumps away and just avoiding any contact with his oponnents trying to web them and avoid physical fight as much as posibble, you dont see captain america running to a safe spot to throw his shield from dont you? spider-man is always trying to play it too safe and avoid any physical contact and thats not smart thats just " i dont want to get my ass wooped"

Originally posted by BUSTER1
What is cowardly about fighting smart? -he uses his speed and agility to avoid hits, while landing some of his own. And please check out his fights, he has often gone for the speed blitz on many much more powerful foes, by jumping around them, close enough for them to grab him or hit him, while landing blows of his own-NOT punching/kicking once then hightailing it. Captain America, 1 of the lions you mentioned, doesn't drop his shield when faced with the Hulk, shout "come on then!!" and proceed to swap punches-he doges the the Hulk, and blocks with his shield to avoid getting tagged-do you call him a coward for that??
"stone cold fact"-don't make me laugh

theres a difference between fighting smart and jumping on freaking walls from people who are 20 times weaker then you .... ye a real hero jumping on some freakin wall and shooting webs at a human oponnents... yep... he is baddddd

captain america vs hulk? thats your example? the fact alone that captain america had the gutts to step up against hulk alone say everything there is to say , the hulk can kill him with 1 punch and he went up against him yes he was blocking with his shield because thats the way you fight you knowwww blocking? but spider-man isnt blocking he is jumping away from his oponnets.. now when its against characters like hulk i can see and understand... but against punisher kraven come onnn he doesnt believe in his own powers if he is avoiding characters that are 20 times weaker then him

Originally posted by MIXEITUP
i never mentioned anything about dodging i mentioned that he always jumps away and just avoiding any contact with his oponnents trying to web them and avoid physical fight as much as posibble, you dont see captain america running to a safe spot to throw his shield from dont you? spider-man is always trying to play it too safe and avoid any physical contact and thats not smart thats just " i dont want to get my ass wooped"

"play it TOO safe"-what, as opposed to just playing it normal safe ? you really are clutching at straws to prove a non existent point.

Originally posted by BUSTER1
"play it TOO safe"-what, as opposed to just playing it normal safe ? you really are clutching at straws to prove a non existent point.



no its just the fact you got nothing to say so you go for the well known "try to make fun of your oponnent in order to show he isnt right"

as i said already and will repeat myself, spider-man is avoiding physical contact as much as posibble most his fights and strategy is to give a kick from nowhere... stick to a freakin wall then shoot webs and see what happens.. even when its against patheticly weaker characters then him he still wont just slug it out but will try to avoid a physical fight stick to some wall and try take his oponnent from distance

but my purpose is not to insult the character or his fans but to show why wolverine will always have the adge above him because of his character hope i didnt offend anyone

Originally posted by MIXEITUP
theres a difference between fighting smart and jumping on freaking walls from people who are 20 times weaker then you .... ye a real hero jumping on some freakin wall and shooting webs at a human oponnents... yep... he is baddddd

captain america vs hulk? thats your example? the fact alone that captain america had the gutts to step up against hulk alone say everything there is to say , the hulk can kill him with 1 punch and he went up against him yes he was blocking with his shield because thats the way you fight you knowwww blocking? but spider-man isnt blocking he is jumping away from his oponnets.. now when its against characters like hulk i can see and understand... but against punisher kraven come onnn he doesnt believe in his own powers if he is avoiding characters that are 20 times weaker then him

What is he gonna use to block a punch from the Hulk-last time I checked Spiderman didn't have an indestructable shield-and how about the many times he's taken on gangs of thugs and just waded through them, no leaping away jusst using his strength and holding back agreat deal, to avoid seriously injuring them. Kraven-Spidey has usually beaten him with his fists, rather than webbing him up. Against punisher Spidey always holds back, as Frank is human and basically on the same side .As for you ludicrous claim that spiderman will do anthing to avoid getting hit-why fight crime at all, let alone willingly standing still to let a powerhouse like Mr.hyde, punch him to spare Black Cate life, or knowingly taking a full on charge from Rhino in order to save Silver Sable-my my what a wimpy git

Originally posted by MIXEITUP
no its just the fact you got nothing to say so you go for the well known "try to make fun of your oponnent in order to show he isnt right"

as i said already and will repeat myself, spider-man is avoiding physical contact as much as posibble most his fights and strategy is to give a kick from nowhere... stick to a freakin wall then shoot webs and see what happens.. even when its against patheticly weaker characters then him he still wont just slug it out but will try to avoid a physical fight stick to some wall and try take his oponnent from distance

I have plenty to say to back up the fact that Parker is a courageous hero who will go the limit in a fight-I have given several examples from his long comic book history to back this up. If Spidey was to lose to Wolverine in a slugfest it would be due to a knockout-NEVER to giving up-its something Spiderman doesnt't do

Originally posted by BUSTER1
What is he gonna use to block a punch from the Hulk-last time I checked Spiderman didn't have an indestructable shield-and how about the many times he's taken on gangs of thugs and just waded through them, no leaping away jusst using his strength and holding back agreat deal, to avoid seriously injuring them. Kraven-Spidey has usually beaten him with his fists, rather than webbing him up. Against punisher Spidey always holds back, as Frank is human and basically on the same side .As for you ludicrous claim that spiderman will do anthing to avoid getting hit-why fight crime at all, let alone willingly standing still to let a powerhouse like Mr.hyde, punch him to spare Black Cate life, or knowingly taking a full on charge from Rhino in order to save Silver Sable-my my what a wimpy git

wow spider-man taking a gang of thugs good for him... its like saying i could take a gang of 6 year old kids yep... thats sure impresive feat right there, most of his fights against kraven and punisher he is avoiding them going into safety and shooting webs to take them down, sure some writers write him differently but if we look at him constantly we will see that 90% of his fights are going like that

you just dont get my point do you? yes he is a hero yes we all know he fights crime but what i am trying to say to you and you dont want to understand is that he is lacking the agresion and killer instinct that most fighters have!!!!!, if an EMO kid will sucrifice himself to save his girlfriend or anyone he loves does that proves he got the nature of a fighter? no it just prvoes that spider-man is ready do give his life for the people he cares for he got love and feelings but does it prove he is a lion and got killer instincts at combat? no it doesnt because he is never going to that next step of beating his oponnents and i gave you A LOTTTT!!! of examples which bythe way you didnt refer at all i wounder why...

another example is his fight with wolverine when they both were rolling on the floor and wolverine gave him a kick to the balls and spider-man was down... come on he is mister class 20 mister super human durability whats the matter a kick to the balls is all it takes? you know as well as i do that if it was captain america he would get right back on feet and continue to fight wolverine just like happened in wolverine origins... both wolverine and cap were trashed and they still went at it, now show me where spider-man ever was trashed and kept fighting? every single time that someone trash him and gets the upper hand spider-man is just lying on the floor and taking the beating he gives up and thats what happened when morlun sent him to hospital he doesnt have the fighter spirit in him

Originally posted by MIXEITUP
wow spider-man taking a gang of thugs good for him... its like saying i could take a gang of 6 year old kids yep... thats sure impresive feat right there, most of his fights against kraven and punisher he is avoiding them going into safety and shooting webs to take them down, sure some writers write him differently but if we look at him constantly we will see that 90% of his fights are going like that

you just dont get my point do you? yes he is a hero yes we all know he fights crime but what i am trying to say to you and you dont want to understand is that he is lacking the agresion and killer instinct that most fighters have!!!!!, if an EMO kid will sucrifice himself to save his girlfriend or anyone he loves does that proves he got the nature of a fighter? no it just prvoes that spider-man is ready do give his life for the people he cares for he got love and feelings but does it prove he is a lion and got killer instincts at combat? no it doesnt because he is never going to that next step of beating his oponnents and i gave you A LOTTTT!!! of examples which bythe way you didnt refer at all i wounder why...

another example is his fight with wolverine when they both were rolling on the floor and wolverine gave him a kick to the balls and spider-man was down... come on he is mister class 20 mister super human durability whats the matter a kick to the balls is all it takes? you know as well as i do that if it was captain america he would get right back on feet and continue to fight wolverine just like happened in wolverine origins... both wolverine and cap were trashed and they still went at it, now show me where spider-man ever was trashed and kept fighting? every single time that someone trash him and gets the upper hand spider-man is just lying on the floor and taking the beating he gives up and thats what happened when morlun sent him to hospital he doesnt have the fighter spirit in him

He didn't get up b'cos he was knocked out against Morlun. In the example I gave where Spiderman too a hit from Rhino for Silver Sable, He was virtually out on his feet, but got up to beat Rhino into submission-he wore Rhino down by continuously punching and kicking him while in close proximity, and fighting unconsciousness. Spidrman is a fighter and there is plenty of evidence to back this up-theres over 46 years of comic evidence to back this up

Originally posted by BUSTER1
He didn't get up b'cos he was knocked out against Morlun. In the example I gave where Spiderman too a hit from Rhino for Silver Sable, He was virtually out on his feet, but got up to beat Rhino into submission-he wore Rhino down by continuously punching and kicking him while in close proximity, and fighting unconsciousness. Spidrman is a fighter and there is plenty of evidence to back this up-theres over 46 years of comic evidence to back this up

of course that in 46 years he will have some nice feats but as i said before 90% of his fights are going just the way i said and all the times he lost to much much weaker oponnents.. you know that i am right and my points are not only valid but are facts and you cant debate against facts because on every time he had some nice win he got 500 loses against jokes and against 1 brave thing he did he got 200 situations where you could see clearly he is afraid to fight and is trying to avoid the oponnent and play it safe thats why black cat took most of times characters like lizard and sabretooth for him , of course morlun knocked him out after he was lying down and not responding to the beating he got

Originally posted by MIXEITUP
i never mentioned anything about dodging i mentioned that he always jumps away and just avoiding any contact with his oponnents trying to web them and avoid physical fight as much as posibble, you dont see captain america running to a safe spot to throw his shield from dont you? spider-man is always trying to play it too safe and avoid any physical contact and thats not smart thats just " i dont want to get my ass wooped"

Dude I don't get that how is that not smart???
Why with the skills he got the stick to the wall thing his webbings (even thow he made them, and it's not a power).
His hit and run still just fits his ability's and his weapons.
And how can you play it to save why risk even iff your way better than your enemy, but why risk the change of him beating you while you can just win it save.

Originally posted by MIXEITUP
of course that in 46 years he will have some nice feats but as i said before 90% of his fights are going just the way i said and all the times he lost to much much weaker oponnents.. you know that i am right and my points are not only valid but are facts and you cant debate against facts because on every time he had some nice win he got 500 loses against jokes and against 1 brave thing he did he got 200 situations where you could see clearly he is afraid to fight and is trying to avoid the oponnent and play it safe thats why black cat took most of times characters like lizard and sabretooth for him , of course morlun knocked him out after he was lying down and not responding to the beating he got

How are you points valid, where are your facts?? I don't acknowledge yopu as being right as you are completely wrong- nerdy cowardly emo's don't rise to their feet and continue fighting when, the are battered and can barely stay conscious
As for the Morlun fight, what planet are you on-Spiderman gave it everything, he was batttered, exhausted, weakened by a mystery ailment that was killing him-then add top this Morlun ripping his eye out. Then Morlun a 70tonner, batters him-have you ever be punched full in the face by someone several times stronger than you whilst exhausted, dying and in shock from having your eye ripped out-the punch would scramble your brains-hence Spiderman lying there getting punched-the 1st blow would've given him serious concussion, and he wouldn't be able to defend himself, from the following punches. I doubt you'll want to acknowledge this as it doesnt suite your 'arguement'

As for all these times Spiderman has shown cowardice -pls give me some examples-there must be plenty from hundreds you keep banging on about

Originally posted by BUSTER1
How are you points valid, where are your facts?? I don't acknowledge yopu as being right as you are completely wrong- nerdy cowardly emo's don't rise to their feet and continue fighting when, the are battered and can barely stay conscious
As for the Morlun fight, what planet are you on-Spiderman gave it everything, he was batttered, exhausted, weakened by a mystery ailment that was killing him-then add top this Morlun ripping his eye out. Then Morlun a 70tonner, batters him-have you ever be punched full in the face by someone several times stronger than you whilst exhausted, dying and in shock from having your eye ripped out-the punch would scramble your brains-hence Spiderman lying there getting punched-the 1st blow would've given him serious concussion, and he wouldn't be able to defend himself, from the following punches. I doubt you'll want to acknowledge this as it doesnt suite your 'arguement'

As for all these times Spiderman has shown cowardice -pls give me some examples-there must be plenty from hundreds you keep banging on about

and again you say things without backing them up.. when did he ever fight till he couldnt go any more? when was the last time he was exchanging blows to almost death? the fight with morlun was pathetinc apiser-man didnt do anything to him and dont even try to axcuse him he was just getting his ass handed to him without any real fight, without any fighting spirit at all he was just a punching bag who didnt have any fighting spirit in him at least he could try to fight , and again as i stated before even if he does have 2-3 feats like that from all the 64 years he is writen then he got 1000 bad ones over that

i dont remember all the examples and wont give you them all but here are some of them

his cowardly fight with the lizard when he escaped in the middle of the fight in the old amazing spider-man issues

his fight with black panther that during all his fight he was like "ohh no" "damn you are strong"

or the thousand times he got owned by blade and wasnt even fighting just defending himself

or how about the black cat fights where he got owned and again didnt give any real fight

and dont let me start about scorpion owening him and making fun of him while spider-man walks out humiliated, he never fought with anger he always was like the nerd that everybody bully and he just hits back but no agrresion no anything just defending himself

there are tons more but i already gave my point and dont need to give any more because my point is solid and you tryto avoid it by going in circles , even thought i know you will never admit here that i am right but to yourself you know that i am right, you know that spider-man doesnt have the fighting spirit and the hurt of a lion he is a joker that jumps telling jokes and gets owned he is not a real fighter

and all that owenege he gets is considering his incredible agility and speed and he still gets humiliated, if you give captain america wolverine or any right man his abilities they will rockthe marvel universe but spider-man just lack the right character so he will always be a clown

Originally posted by MIXEITUP
and again you say things without backing them up.. when did he ever fight till he couldnt go any more? when was the last time he was exchanging blows to almost death? the fight with morlun was pathetinc apiser-man didnt do anything to him and dont even try to axcuse him he was just getting his ass handed to him without any real fight, without any fighting spirit at all he was just a punching bag who didnt have any fighting spirit in him at least he could try to fight , and again as i stated before even if he does have 2-3 feats like that from all the 64 years he is writen then he got 1000 bad ones over that

i dont remember all the examples and wont give you them all but here are some of them

his cowardly fight with the lizard when he escaped in the middle of the fight in the old amazing spider-man issues

his fight with black panther that during all his fight he was like "ohh no" "damn you are strong"

or the thousand times he got owned by blade and wasnt even fighting just defending himself

or how about the black cat fights where he got owned and again didnt give any real fight

and dont let me start about scorpion owening him and making fun of him while spider-man walks out humiliated, he never fought with anger he always was like the nerd that everybody bully and he just hits back but no agrresion no anything just defending himself

there are tons more but i already gave my point and dont need to give any more because my point is solid and you tryto avoid it by going in circles , even thought i know you will never admit here that i am right but to yourself you know that i am right, you know that spider-man doesnt have the fighting spirit and the hurt of a lion he is a joker that jumps telling jokes and gets owned he is not a real fighter

and all that owenege he gets is considering his incredible agility and speed and he still gets humiliated, if you give captain america wolverine or any right man his abilities they will rockthe marvel universe but spider-man just lack the right character so he will always be a clown

My points are very solid-I have given examples-but you ignore them as bad writing-i have even pinpointed the examples I have given-you just keep falling back on "he gets humiliated by people he shouldn't be losing to" that doesn't lessen his fighting spirit-you obviously didn't read my post Rhino/saving Silver Sable incident properly-in that fight SM was out on his feet but still got up to beat Rhino, who has gone toe to toe with the Hulk. I'm not going in circles-I'm stating a fact shown in countlesscomic books -That Spiderman has guts to keep going, right to the limit.
Spiderman's tendency to tell jokes doesn't make him less determined than more serious characters, like Logan. Sure, he has shown fear. but thats what make him an enduring character-he dopesn't let the fear hold him back from doing the right thing. You say he bottled it from Scorpion I can name an issue-Amazing Spiderman 342-where he fights Scorpion without his powers.
As for Black Cat, Spiderman always holds back against non powered humans-and he sure as hell isn't going to go all out against someone who isn't trying to hurt him. There is a big difference between cowardice and compassion-it doesn't make Spiderman any less a warrior.
And as for the morlun fight -did you read it properly-Spidey didin't look like he was just sitting there taking punches, waitng for death -he gave it everything he had-something you choose to ignore because you argument, far from being solid, is non existent

wolverine.

Originally posted by BUSTER1
My points are very solid-I have given examples-but you ignore them as bad writing-i have even pinpointed the examples I have given-you just keep falling back on "he gets humiliated by people he shouldn't be losing to" that doesn't lessen his fighting spirit-you obviously didn't read my post Rhino/saving Silver Sable incident properly-in that fight SM was out on his feet but still got up to beat Rhino, who has gone toe to toe with the Hulk. I'm not going in circles-I'm stating a fact shown in countlesscomic books -That Spiderman has guts to keep going, right to the limit.
Spiderman's tendency to tell jokes doesn't make him less determined than more serious characters, like Logan. Sure, he has shown fear. but thats what make him an enduring character-he dopesn't let the fear hold him back from doing the right thing. You say he bottled it from Scorpion I can name an issue-Amazing Spiderman 342-where he fights Scorpion without his powers.
As for Black Cat, Spiderman always holds back against non powered humans-and he sure as hell isn't going to go all out against someone who isn't trying to hurt him. There is a big difference between cowardice and compassion-it doesn't make Spiderman any less a warrior.
And as for the morlun fight -did you read it properly-Spidey didin't look like he was just sitting there taking punches, waitng for death -he gave it everything he had-something you choose to ignore because you argument, far from being solid, is non existent


as i said you are going in circles with me and stating the same thing 1000 times we can do it till next year

why you always bring that same example of him fighting rhino? i gave you so many examples when he was trashed, beat up while just lying and taking it, even was running away in the middle of the fight, all the time you see him only defending himself and jumping to a distance avoiding a real fist fight... why dont you adress that? are those things i made up? no those are things that happened like the fights with lizard where spider-man left the fight in the middle... so again i will say dont yell wolf unless you see one

the fact he tells jokes got no real effection but i just poinet out that he got a light character and more of a joker then a real serious fighter he is a joker that likes to joke and yell woooppyyy during his fights so as a fighter yes he is a joke

you are saying he holds back and doesnt want to hurt people? ye right because you know with his great great class 20 strength he might just kill everybody... olease class 20 is a freakin joke hell puma is stronger then him and puma went all out with black cat and she didnt die so dont worry , i find it funny that spider-man fans always use the holding back part... is that something you made up? please show some proof that he actually said "ohhh i am getting my ass beat up but i will never fight like a man because i am afraid to hurt somebody"

and the fight with morlun? again he was beat up and trashed without any fighting spirit and without giving a real all out fight dont argue about that because thats what happened

Originally posted by MIXEITUP
as i said you are going in circles with me and stating the same thing 1000 times we can do it till next year

why you always bring that same example of him fighting rhino? i gave you so many examples when he was trashed, beat up while just lying and taking it, even was running away in the middle of the fight, all the time you see him only defending himself and jumping to a distance avoiding a real fist fight... why dont you adress that? are those things i made up? no those are things that happened like the fights with lizard where spider-man left the fight in the middle... so again i will say dont yell wolf unless you see one

the fact he tells jokes got no real effection but i just poinet out that he got a light character and more of a joker then a real serious fighter he is a joker that likes to joke and yell woooppyyy during his fights so as a fighter yes he is a joke

you are saying he holds back and doesnt want to hurt people? ye right because you know with his great great class 20 strength he might just kill everybody... olease class 20 is a freakin joke hell puma is stronger then him and puma went all out with black cat and she didnt die so dont worry , i find it funny that spider-man fans always use the holding back part... is that something you made up? please show some proof that he actually said "ohhh i am getting my ass beat up but i will never fight like a man because i am afraid to hurt somebody"

and the fight with morlun? again he was beat up and trashed without any fighting spirit and without giving a real all out fight dont argue about that because thats what happened

Are you just winding me up mate?? Because if so job done- I was tired and wasn't thinking straight. You wre obviously on a wind up -and I fell for it!

.