Women's Liberation

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Stoic
Is there emnity between men and women? What can we do as people to close the gender gap? Is there a gender gap? Has women's lib put chivalry on it's death bed?

lord xyz
What do you mean gap?

If there are characteristics within men and women that allow one sex to dominate the other, there'll be technology to help the weaker sex.

Symmetric Chaos
. . . was a huge mistake.

inimalist
Originally posted by Stoic
Is there emnity between men and women?

I don't think the problem is emnity so much as expectations about gender roles

my personal opinon is that men especially have rigid gender roles they are expected to play, however, women are more and more facing anti-feminist pressure to adopt more traditional roles.

Originally posted by Stoic
What can we do as people to close the gender gap? Is there a gender gap?

Yes, there is.

One of the best examples is the treatment of Jessica Lynch by the major news outlets.

Many feminists have noticed a marked rise in gender steryotypes post 9-11 (Susan Faludi talks about this, I'll post a link to her speach about gender roles post-911 when I get home). Men are now the manly, red meat eaters who protect their women, and girls are innocent, frilly dress wearing stay at home moms (focus on the family wink) who need to be protected.

Jessica Lynch was a fierce warrior within the American Armed forces. She signed up for a second tour of duty in Iraq. Her "rescue" was really not one at all, as there were no enemy combatants at the hospital the was "rescued" from.

The media potrayed Lynch as a pretty in pink little girl, who the manly army came to rescue, when really she was a efficent member of the army who was personally capable of finishing her mission.

pay and those types of gender gaps are, imho, much less pervasive. Maybe on whole, there are still gas, however, looking at my school, the only areas where women are not more prevalent than men are in strict computer and math courses. Men, in psychology, are outnumbered at least 2:1, and in social sciences it is much more than that. I was the only male in one of my 3rd year anthro classes.

Originally posted by Stoic
Has women's lib put chivalry on it's death bed?

I can't imagine how?

Expectations about the role and behaviour of men has not changed largely in centuries, we never had a lib movement.

Oddly enough it might be the homosexual men who break this down, if they can ever market anything other than the polorization between gay men and heterosexual men.

cococryspies
Originally posted by inimalist
I can't imagine how?

Expectations about the role and behaviour of men has not changed largely in centuries, we never had a lib movement.

Oddly enough it might be the homosexual men who break this down, if they can ever market anything other than the polorization between gay men and heterosexual men.

Yeah, it shouldn't be women's liberation, but liberation for all people.

inimalist
Originally posted by cococryspies
Yeah, it shouldn't be women's liberation, but liberation for all people.

indeed

however, the conservative reactionary position to the woman's lib movement (I specify the "the" to indicate the difference between women's lib as an organized force vs as an ideal) is that old values, like that men are supposed to hold open doors and be the one who works to take care of the woman, are eroded by women being liberated.

In many ways they see women's "lib" as non-liberating. This is because the moral imperative for them is the traditional family unit, and women being taken from their natural role as mothers because of what they see as the corrupting force of feminism is, to them, similar to how some of the more radical forces within THE movement see any form of commitment from women to raising a family as being against their own freedom.

People from this camp largely argue that women "naturally" want to have kids and that any other decision is unnatural, thus wrong. There are of course ample logical fallacies on either side, and of course, THE women's lib movement has strayed very far from their origional path. The Wendy McElroy quote I have comes from an essay she did about the modern feminist movement and pornography, saying the anti-pornography stance is actually an outrage to the personal freedom that was important in classical feminist thought.

blah, an issue I could rant in circles about. Needless to say, I agree with you. Empowering the individual is the most important step in empowering women. Oppression of women in any regard, be it malicious or benign, is an affront to all people because it is truly the oppression of the individual.

Robtard
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
. . . was a huge mistake.

Exactly.

Grand-Moff-Gav
Originally posted by Stoic
Is there emnity between men and women? What can we do as people to close the gender gap? Is there a gender gap? Has women's lib put chivalry on it's death bed?

People need to learn that men and women are complimentary to each other, its not a competition.

Robtard
Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
People need to learn that men and women are complimentary to each other, its not a competition.

While true, I can totally beat the vast majority of women in arm-wrestling, so there.

Devil King
Originally posted by inimalist
I don't think the problem is emnity so much as expectations about gender roles

my personal opinon is that men especially have rigid gender roles they are expected to play, however, women are more and more facing anti-feminist pressure to adopt more traditional roles.



Yes, there is.

One of the best examples is the treatment of Jessica Lynch by the major news outlets.

Many feminists have noticed a marked rise in gender steryotypes post 9-11 (Susan Faludi talks about this, I'll post a link to her speach about gender roles post-911 when I get home). Men are now the manly, red meat eaters who protect their women, and girls are innocent, frilly dress wearing stay at home moms (focus on the family wink) who need to be protected.

Jessica Lynch was a fierce warrior within the American Armed forces. She signed up for a second tour of duty in Iraq. Her "rescue" was really not one at all, as there were no enemy combatants at the hospital the was "rescued" from.

The media potrayed Lynch as a pretty in pink little girl, who the manly army came to rescue, when really she was a efficent member of the army who was personally capable of finishing her mission.

pay and those types of gender gaps are, imho, much less pervasive. Maybe on whole, there are still gas, however, looking at my school, the only areas where women are not more prevalent than men are in strict computer and math courses. Men, in psychology, are outnumbered at least 2:1, and in social sciences it is much more than that. I was the only male in one of my 3rd year anthro classes.



I can't imagine how?

Expectations about the role and behaviour of men has not changed largely in centuries, we never had a lib movement.

Oddly enough it might be the homosexual men who break this down, if they can ever market anything other than the polorization between gay men and heterosexual men.

I agree 99%

inimalist
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Originally posted by inimalist
Many feminists have noticed a marked rise in gender steryotypes post 9-11 (Susan Faludi talks about this, I'll post a link to her speach about gender roles post-911 when I get home). Men are now the manly, red meat eaters who protect their women, and girls are innocent, frilly dress wearing stay at home moms (focus on the family wink) who need to be protected.

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lil bitchiness
Gender is the way people socially identify themselves. Sex is the biological classification. They're not the same.

Not all women are equal to each other, same as not all men are equal to each other.

Are we refering to exclusivelly hetrosexual middle class white people when talking about gender role and women's liberation?
If not, who else are we refering to?

Can a man of male sex but of female gender be considered part of woman's liberation?

How about woman of female sex but male gender?

If she feels male, who do we try to make her equal to?
A working class black lesbian lady, or a upper class hetrsexual white lady?
Or do we scrap that alltogether and try to make her equal with a middle class hetrosexual white man?

These issues are wide, complicated and grossly generalised whenever there is a gender discussion.

Robtard
Listen, there's no reason we should make exceptions simply because some dude "feels" like a woman, he can feel any-which way he likes, it's his prerogative; he still has to shit in the men's bathroom though.

Adam_PoE
Read Egalia's Daughters by Gerd Brantenberg.

dadudemon
Originally posted by Robtard
Listen, there's no reason we should make exceptions simply because some dude "feels" like a woman, he can feel any-which way he likes, it's his prerogative; he still has to shit in the men's bathroom though.

Unless, of course, he's going to get a sex change and has to do that "live like a women" for a year thing.

What the f**k?

Robtard
Originally posted by dadudemon
Unless, of course, he's going to get a sex change and has to do that "live like a women" for a year thing.

What the f**k?

Sorry, taking a scalpel to your penis doesn't make you a woman.

dadudemon
Originally posted by Robtard
Sorry, taking a scalpel to your penis doesn't make you a woman.

But they claim their soul is the opposite sex!!!!




On a more serious note, I am genuinely curious as to what "it" looks like after "it" has been made to look female down there and vice versa.

Robtard
Originally posted by dadudemon
But they claim their soul is the opposite sex!!!!




On a more serious note, I am genuinely curious as to what "it" looks like after "it" has been made to look female down there and vice versa.

Doctors can make a really pretty vagina out of a penis, scrotum and skin-graphs. In fact, they can make it look better than a naturally occurring one.

dadudemon
Originally posted by Robtard
Doctors can make a really pretty vagina out of a penis, scrotum and skin-graphs. In fact, they can make it look better than a naturally occurring one.

I could probably find some write ups in medical journals. I haven't researched this much because it hasn't really crossed my mind.


Are the surgeons good enough to attach that nerve (the name of which I can't remember) to the appropriate location and well enough to allow for climax? I wonder how effective that is. I ask, because you seem to know more about this than I do.

Robtard
Parts of the penis gland (head) become the clitoris, so yeah, they can climax in a fashion.

dadudemon
Originally posted by Robtard
Parts of the penis gland (head) become the clitoris, so yeah, they can climax in a fashion.

holy shittles.


I wonder if it's diminished?




Anyway, yes...equality.

lord xyz
Originally posted by Robtard
Parts of the penis gland (head) become the clitoris, so yeah, they can climax in a fashion. That must be a very big clitoris.

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