HAARP - High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program

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leonheartmm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5mmIp_ENBM&feature=related

watch the video after the anecdotes of the guy detailing his take on the auroral research program. they detail specialists and their take on HAARP.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Frequency_Active_Auroral_Research_Program

both the proposer for the idea behind haarp and a team of physicist were worried about the very real possibility of haarp being used as as atmospheric/earthquake weapon.

the russian government was highly critical calling it a step up from missile defence and conventional weapons of the caliber as between steel swords and firearms.

your takes/oppinions.

{before you brush this 100 billion watt machine off, remember, that on record it can and has produced massive araural affects seen in the upper atmosphere in entire parts of the hemisphere artificially - just to allude to its capabilities. add to that, the fact that the funding comes entirely from the american military and navy and you have yourself a very credible conspiracy theory}

leonheartmm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkLTzesBxGE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zi1nLmlicxU

CBC NEWS report. so this is gaining a lot more credibility in my book. watch these two videos.

leonheartmm
whaaaa no1 interested??????

jaden101
cant say i'm particularly interested...although it does sound alot like the project flashlight from the film "the quiet earth"

and someone actually thinks it is

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ZslaS9XJgC0

MGS
i can find you a whole 2 hour program about this from coast to coast am if you would like

Bicnarok
HAARP is probably going to be used to numb our brains, making us less rebellious when the "outside influence" show themselves.

Deano
http://www.davidicke.com/images/stories/October%202008/haarp2_dees.jpg

leonheartmm
thatd be great MGS

jaden101
Originally posted by Deano
http://www.davidicke.com/images/stories/October%202008/haarp2_dees.jpg

think you'll find ionospheric anomalies are a sign of seismic activity and not the other way round and the same phenomena has been seen in earthquakes before HAARP even existed...not to mention that there are 9 other stations around the planet that do the same thing HAARP does...including one in China

activity.http://pgia.ru/2008_pro/5_ionosphere/o_v_zolotov.doc

http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/haarp-and-earthquakes/

leonheartmm
^not to the same power levels and directional control that haarp does. watch both the videos please.

jaden101
Originally posted by leonheartmm
^not to the same power levels and directional control that haarp does. watch both the videos please.

na...i'd rather go with something a bit more substantial and authoratative than a youtube video

you read my links?

directional control?...it goes by the natural electromagnetic waves produced by the earth anyway..and they're effectively fixed

leonheartmm
cbc isnt substantial? the guy who gave birth to the idea isnt substantial?

jaden101
cant find a single scientific paper by Bernard Eastland anywhere and i've seen many news corporation runs programmes about conspiracy theories from 9-11 to the kennedy assassination to the moon landings...doesn't give them any creedence...just gets the news programmes ratings

the only published paper i could find with regards to haarp was

History and applications of HAARP technologies: the High FrequencyActive Auroral Research Program

and its abstract is as follows



still haven't answered my statement that the same atmospheric phenomena has been seen prior to earthquakes before HAARP was built

still haven't provided proof that HAARP was used prior to the earthquake

still haven't proved a link between HAARP and the earthquake

still haven't proven that even if there was a link, some evidence that it wasn't the chinese version of HAARP that done it

leonheartmm
^stubborn.

jaden101
paranoid ^

leonheartmm
^really?

ignorant

Mr Parker
yep.thats an understatement.a very accurate one as well. big grin anything that has to do with a conspiracy,that perfectly describes him. laughing

jaden101
Originally posted by leonheartmm
^really?

ignorant

i'm the one who's provided scientific papers...you're the one who's provided paranoid ramblings and youtube videos

i wonder what the smart money would be on in a genuine debate???

jaden101
Originally posted by Mr Parker
yep.thats an understatement.a very accurate one as well. big grin anything that has to do with a conspiracy,that perfectly describes him. laughing

reported for trolling

Bicnarok

jaden101

Mr Parker
Funny how he thinks me and Leon trolled but HE didnt just as much when he told Leon he was paranoid. laughing laughing

Mr Parker

jaden101
Originally posted by Mr Parker
Funny how he thinks me and Leon trolled but HE didnt just as much when he told Leon he was paranoid. laughing laughing

so someone that thinks a radio transmission station is a way to control the minds of the worlds population isn't paranoid...surely their own scepticism would prove its not for mind control...and i didn't report him anyway...i reported you because you were trolling...Leon wasn't...he was addressing me directly...you were baiting and trollings

now what really is laughable is you still pretending you dont read my posts

MGS
Yeah, when i get home from school today i will post it for you.


By the way, its a really weird reason that i have this username. I got on to this site when i was on google looking for the reason bruce lee died, and it directed me to the conspiracy forums......magically i had a username for it in my email and the topic creature of the bruce lee topic has the same name as me in real life.


Weird

leonheartmm
Originally posted by jaden101
so someone that thinks a radio transmission station is a way to control the minds of the worlds population isn't paranoid...surely their own scepticism would prove its not for mind control...and i didn't report him anyway...i reported you because you were trolling...Leon wasn't...he was addressing me directly...you were baiting and trollings

now what really is laughable is you still pretending you dont read my posts

subtle behaviour modifications and mood manipulation isnt really mind control. and anyway, MY reason for posting this wasnt the mind control part as much as it was earthquake machines and weather control.

jaden101
yeah...uuhh...already put paid to that one

Mr Parker
got news for you jaden I DONT read your posts.I was reading what Bicnarok said obviously and I knew it had to do with me cause of your irrational obsession you have with me.plus when someone quotes a poster like leon and bicnoark did,the ignore button isnt very effective.also you provoked me on my clinton thread which had NOTHING to do with you when YOU trolled and baited ME there with your childish "STFU" comment.THATS trolling and baiting so I reported you for that.I figured you would at least be mature on THAT thread since you had before.I should have known better though.

back to topic again,thanks again Leon for the info.

jaden101
Originally posted by Mr Parker
got news for you jaden I DONT read your posts.I was reading what Bicnarok said obviously and I knew it had to do with me cause of your irrational obsession you have with me.plus when someone quotes a poster like leon and bicnoark did,the ignore button isnt very effective.also you provoked me on my clinton thread which had NOTHING to do with you when YOU trolled and baited ME there with your childish "STFU" comment.THATS trolling and baiting so I reported you for that.I figured you would at least be mature on THAT thread since you had before.I should have known better though.

back to topic again,thanks again Leon for the info.

you're the one that keeps mentioning me in your posts...not the other way around

and clearly you do read my posts...this reply is evidence of that.

but seeing as we're discussing maturely...i have no grudge against you...this is an internet forum...why anyone would get upset about anything that's said on it is a mystery to me because it's a bit of fun...we're hardly changing the world with discussions on a movie forum are we?...we have opposing views on things...that's it!....i think your willingness to believe every conspiracy simply because a government agency is involved is completely irrational...you use statements like "the CIA is evil"...well...the CIA isn't evil because the CIA is just a name of an organisation...people are evil....so if you're going to argue that every single person who gets a job with the CIA or the FBI or NSA or whichever organisation, is evil...then i also believe that's completely irrational...seeing as pretty much all of them come from backgrounds that would be no different to you own.

your willingness to believe that the moon landings were faked, based on your own admission that you didn't know a single thing about it, are testament to your mindset...

you've blatently refused to read opposing viewpoints in the 9-11 thread yet claim to have read many books on the subject...yet accuse people of not reading what you post...surely you can see the hypocrisy in that.

you also tried to, several times, misrepresent something i said. now if you're as clued up as you claim to be and were confident in your own opinion then you wouldn't have had to do that...but you did...which sheds light on the veracity of your argument in that thread...

you quite blatently hijack other threads with talk about Clinton and Kennedy...even this thread shows that.

these aren't digs at you...these as observations

as for my STFU comment...was it harsh?...yes...but it brought to light the fact that you were making a judgement on something...claiming it as gospel...without even having read it...how is that rational?...how can you claim that the book is right without having read it?

i'm a scientist...and as part of that discipline you are taught not to go into things with a skewed viewpoint and merely let the hard scientific evidence lead you to an unbiased conclusion...this is what i've done regarding 9-11...you clearly don't...you've made up your mind then only read material that backs up what you want to believe and ignore anything to the contrary...that's the real reason you put me on ignore...because you had nothing to counter opposing arguments...i'm not saying there was no way to counter it...but because you refuse to read, digest and process opposing viewpoints then you cant have a way to pick them apart

take this piece of advice

If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle

leonheartmm
so basically u live to debunk what YOU and your society defines as conspiracy theories???? thats pretty ignorant as well as spitefully arrogant. governments of all large nations reply on people like you to propogate such negetive views concerning certain evidence and phenomenon that even the most factually backed news or reports are LABELLED "conspiracy" theories, and a perception is formed that people whoo beleive them to be true are either loons, or love conspiracies or are in either case, not to be taken seriously. in this way, governments get away with MANY things, simply because a perception in created by people like you that even considering such things is "ABSURD". when in fact looking at just the evidence, it might be as sound an assumption as report of trends in the stock market. the wierd thing is that if you get OUTSIDE these circles, or your country, youll find that such reports ARENT pushed aside and labelled as CONSPIRACIES but as viable theories with geat probability of truth or sum truth, aroudn the world by very respectable news agencies and even governments{russian government in this case giving out official statements against HAARP which u neglected to notice i see}. like the case with 9-11, on which even news agencies like aljazeera ran stories concerning the explosions and the way the towers fell and the ability of the aircraft to destroy the towers and the supposed actual flights which crashed etc.

im not saying BELEIVE it. heck even i dont know if i straight out BELEIVE that haarp can do these things or is meant for them, but i certainly know that there is reason to beleive so. or r u saying that the appearance of the aurora just ten minutes before all around the earthquake area in DAYLIGHT {when it has NEVER happened away from the poles ever other than in a few extremely noticeable solar storms} is pure coincidence? seeing as the haarp is the only facility in the world of the stype and strength{admitted by the people whp run the darn thing} to create the aurora?

fact is, when people/governments, have power, they USE that power. in a world so ruthless that people dont think twice about massacarring entire african nations for the sake of oil and diomand imports, do you HONESTLY beleive that sumthing as powerful as the US government wudnt use all its vast resources to threaten/kill/manipulate as much of the world as they possibly can??!?!?!!?{and this isnt a hate US thread, russia has tested experimental earthquake machines on record since the early days of the cold war}. fact is, people with power use that power. and your just championing their cause for no reason and insulting ur own intelligence by not even giving the possibility of these things existing a chance.

jaden101
i don't live to debunk conspiracy theories at all and saying that i do is a blatent misrepresentation of what i said (something which conspiracies theorists are apt to do ofter...just ask the Lernar-Lam seismic observatory...who someone in the 9-11 thread tried to use their graphs on 9-11 to prove explosives were involved...and the expert who recorded the data went on record and rubbished that thought)

i've even agreed, in some part, to some of the things brought up in this forum...namely the atlantis theory...and i also believe that we aren't alone in this universe

and your point about news stations is spurious anyway...you need to base your information (and i mean the general you...not you specifically) on more than just videos of the way the towers fell...because that's simply not scientific fact...as i've stated in the 9-11...people say the towers completely collapsed at freefall speeds in 9 seconds...the fact is...even judging solely based on news footage...they didn't..there is footage of parts of the building standing for up to 24 seconds..only the outer frame of the building collapsed at near freefall speeds because those sections didn't have resistance....the 2nd point about planes being not being able to bring the towers down...well Lesley Robertson, who was one of the chief structural engineers in building the towers, disagrees...i also brought his full testimony into the 9-11 thread when someone tried to use him out of context to say the towers should have stood



just fallicious...i've already posted a published scientific research paper into atmopheric phenomena surrounding regions of seismic activity as an indicator of possible earthquake activity

if you're going to seriously argue a point then you have to provide EVIDENCE...where's the evidence that HAARP was used at the time of the earthquake?...

if you use occum's razor...what's more rational?...an earthquake happened along the Longmenshan fault line (something that has geologically been proven time and time again to occur) and people were killed....or the big bad evil USA (who are actually reliant on China now economically speaking tried to use an experimental radio transmitter which, in reality, and despite claims to the contrary, isn't directional because it relies on the north to south natural magnetic field of the earth, to kill thousands of people in a country thousands of miles to the east

or even a 3rd scenario...these stations do have the ability to cause earthquakes...and the chinese have their own facility (documented fact) and that the chinese government deliberately try to control their ever increasing population (documented fact and matter of public policy) and would have used it against their own people (conspiracy theory part)



as for this part...no...no i don't believe that...i know they use their economic power far too rashly towards other nations and bully them into unfair trade (even to their allies)...infact i know this.

Bicnarok

Mr Parker
Originally posted by leonheartmm
so basically u live to debunk what YOU and your society defines as conspiracy theories???? thats pretty ignorant as well as spitefully arrogant. governments of all large nations reply on people like you to propogate such negetive views concerning certain evidence and phenomenon that even the most factually backed news or reports are LABELLED "conspiracy" theories, and a perception is formed that people whoo beleive them to be true are either loons, or love conspiracies or are in either case, not to be taken seriously. in this way, governments get away with MANY things, simply because a perception in created by people like you that even considering such things is "ABSURD". when in fact looking at just the evidence, it might be as sound an assumption as report of trends in the stock market. the wierd thing is that if you get OUTSIDE these circles, or your country, youll find that such reports ARENT pushed aside and labelled as CONSPIRACIES but as viable theories with geat probability of truth or sum truth, aroudn the world by very respectable news agencies and even governments{russian government in this case giving out official statements against HAARP which u neglected to notice i see}. like the case with 9-11, on which even news agencies like aljazeera ran stories concerning the explosions and the way the towers fell and the ability of the aircraft to destroy the towers and the supposed actual flights which crashed etc.

im not saying BELEIVE it. heck even i dont know if i straight out BELEIVE that haarp can do these things or is meant for them, but i certainly know that there is reason to beleive so. or r u saying that the appearance of the aurora just ten minutes before all around the earthquake area in DAYLIGHT {when it has NEVER happened away from the poles ever other than in a few extremely noticeable solar storms} is pure coincidence? seeing as the haarp is the only facility in the world of the stype and strength{admitted by the people whp run the darn thing} to create the aurora?

fact is, when people/governments, have power, they USE that power. in a world so ruthless that people dont think twice about massacarring entire african nations for the sake of oil and diomand imports, do you HONESTLY beleive that sumthing as powerful as the US government wudnt use all its vast resources to threaten/kill/manipulate as much of the world as they possibly can??!?!?!!?{and this isnt a hate US thread, russia has tested experimental earthquake machines on record since the early days of the cold war}. fact is, people with power use that power. and your just championing their cause for no reason and insulting ur own intelligence by not even giving the possibility of these things existing a chance.

well done Leon.very well said. thumb up

Magee
Originally posted by Bicnarok
Aurora is normally caused by electomagnetic particles from the sun hitting the earths magnetic field, and coming in at the poles. Sorry but that is the aurora borealis which has nothing to do with seismic auras.

jaden101
Originally posted by Magee
Sorry but that is the aurora borealis which has nothing to do with seismic auras.

and the other one...the southern hemisphere that nobody can remember the name of hand cause noone really gives a shit about the southern hemisphere

Bicnarok
Originally posted by Magee
Sorry but that is the aurora borealis which has nothing to do with seismic auras.

In what way, are the seismic aurori microwaved heated up clouds?

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