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Sasuke at current form.

Gaara at current form.

Who wins?

sasuke easily

Well, Gaara has no abilities now.

Konohamaru could whoop him.

sasuke no problem

of course its sasuke

Gaara currently does not have Shukaku, yet can still bend sand.

But Sawsgay wins.

lightning style > earth style in naruto, plus sasuke has the speed/skill to exploit it all day. sasuke dominates.

the lightning attack would oneshot gaara if sasuke wants to be cheap like that, but really imo he doesn't have to go past solely using lee speed coupled with his sword channeling chidori current for him to win.

lets not even get into sharingan :I

is gaara sand considered an earth type??i don't think it is..

...Why would it not be?

Sand is Earth.

he doesn't use a hand seal..earth type style need hand seal..he just control the sand..

Originally posted by Slaanesh
he doesn't use a hand seal..earth type style need hand seal..he just control the sand..

He has used handseals quite a few times.

Yeah...And Amaterasu does not use handseals, should we assume it is not a fire jutsu?

Not all jutsus require handseals.

ofcourse its earth type, see how easily chidori pierces through it.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Yeah...And Amaterasu does not use handseals, should we assume it is not a fire jutsu?

Not all jutsus require handseals.

amaterasu can't be put out by water..it doesn't go by the rule water > fire, lighting > earth..it is special just like gaara sand..about the earth type thing..maybe i was wrong..maybe it is considered an earth type..but it's a special and powerfull one..

Originally posted by leonheartmm
ofcourse its earth type, see how easily chidori pierces through it.
chidori can pierces through almost anything..i wonder if it can pierces through the shield of shukaku

Sasuke owns him. He has every advantage. Especially since Gaara is depowered.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
...Why would it not be?

Sand is Earth.

Because rocks and stone do not conduct electricity. They're resistors.

Kishi's idea of having stone > lightning has always been retarded. Just a BS way of giving Sawsgay a win over Deidera.

fire > wind is also retarded because a strong enough gale of win will actually put fire out, not fan it. And even if it does only fan it, it'd be fanned in the opposite direction so the wind user wouldn't be harmed.

Yeah, I know.

But in Naruto, they do.

I edited.

But yeah it makes no sense.

Yeah it is.

I mean srsly. Is gheyness.

We've seen Gaara control sand after losing Shuukaku?

Originally posted by Bada's Palin
We've seen Gaara control sand after losing Shuukaku?


Gaara will still put up no fight against sasuke

yea but its not the same massive scale as before.

Originally posted by braveheart
Gaara will still put up no fight against sasuke

I know, but has he used sand in the manga? after losing shukaku?

Originally posted by Bada's Palin
I know, but has he used sand in the manga? after losing shukaku?

yea but its not the same look wat roz said

yes he can use sand but not on a massive scale as before.

why not at a massive scale??we never seen him using sand after losing shukaku...so we don't know yet..

he doesn't hav the beast and when he tried to shake naruto's hand he struggled.

he was just f**king revived from the dead...the only thing i know that shukaku gave him is the sand that defend him without him controling it..

Originally posted by Slaanesh
he was just f**king revived from the dead...the only thing i know that shukaku gave him is the sand that defend him without him controling it..


he was bore with that power and shukaku wasn't the one makeing the sand defend him it was his mom cause his mom's blood was in the sand

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
Because rocks and stone do not conduct electricity. They're resistors.

Kishi's idea of having stone > lightning has always been retarded. Just a BS way of giving Sawsgay a win over Deidera.

fire > wind is also retarded because a strong enough gale of win will actually put fire out, not fan it. And even if it does only fan it, it'd be fanned in the opposite direction so the wind user wouldn't be harmed. it's based on japanese mythology. lightning strikes earth, not the other way around.

Originally posted by braveheart
he was bore with that power and shukaku wasn't the one makeing the sand defend him it was his mom cause his mom's blood was in the sand Uh...just no. It was Shukaku. Nothing else that gave him that defense.

Sadly without Shukaku it's just a rematch of Sasuke/Gaara chunnin fight except more stomping in Sasuke's favor.

Originally posted by braveheart
he was bore with that power and shukaku wasn't the one makeing the sand defend him it was his mom cause his mom's blood was in the sand

it was his mom??are u sure??i didn't remember that..

yes they had a whole flashback episode about it

it was his mom watch the show.

It wasn't his mom. He just said it was his mother. It was Shukaku.

Originally posted by roz88
it was his mom watch the show.

i dont think it was his mom actually his mom just wanted garra to hate the sand village or some crap like that so she fed him some bull

so..why can't gaara control massive amount of sand without the shukaku??controlling sand is his own ability..

the demon gav him an extra boost.

The only thing Shukaku really did was give him the auto-shield until he transformed. Most of it what he did was Gaara's own power. So he should still be able to replicate most things. He'll just use up a lot of chakra trying to do the shield thing now.

Originally posted by Slaanesh
so..why can't gaara control massive amount of sand without the shukaku??controlling sand is his own ability..
I don't know... maybe the bijuu worth of extra chakra he had access to?

no he wont hav the power 2 reshape the battle field will he now i dont think so he will be jus like the avg shinobi with regular chakra reserves.in the show after losing shakkaku he could barely make the sand shake naruto's hand.

He never shook Naruto's hand with the sand when he came back to life. He shook hands. Not to mention when he came back to life he could barely even move. I doubt he recovered fully by the time Naruto left.

Originally posted by Kento
He never shook Naruto's hand with the sand when he came back to life. He shook hands. Not to mention when he came back to life he could barely even move. I doubt he recovered fully by the time Naruto left.

i think he pulled naruto's hand in with the sand

He did. But it's not like he strained. He didn't 'barely make the sand shake Naruto's hand' though.

if u watch the episode u would kno wat happened kento

I've read the manga...Who cares about the episode. Heck I just looked at the manga to figure out what you were talking about. Before they leave Gaara holds out his hand and lifts Naruto's hand. No effort, nor straining. And he shakes Naruto's hand with his own hand.

yes but he uses the sand to do it read magna and watch the show so u can see actual movements

Gaara can still bend sand. All the jutsu's he has ever done he can still do except for those transformations with Shukaku.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/281/10/

This doesn't necessarily mean he's equal to a kage anymore...

What are they going to do. Tell Gaara that you suck without Shukaku and releave him of his Kazekage position.

Originally posted by Wil7
What are they going to do. Tell Gaara that you suck without Shukaku and releave him of his Kazekage position.

Yes.

Believe it or not, it's not kindergarten.

Originally posted by Bada's Palin
Yes.

Believe it or not, it's not kindergarten.

well seeing as to how he still is the hokage he should have a preety decent control of the sand only thing is it will probably take more chakra and the sand wont protect him like it used to

Originally posted by yungz22
well seeing as to how he still is the hokage he should have a preety decent control of the sand only thing is it will probably take more chakra and the sand wont protect him like it used to

He used to be the Kazekage.

Originally posted by Bada's Palin
He used to be the Kazekage.


where did it ever say he was demoted

Saucegay > Deidara > Gaara

Gaara beat Deidara's ass until he pulled a b!tch move to trick him...

He is smarter, not more powerful.

Deidara went into that fight unprepared

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Gaara beat Deidara's ass until he pulled a b!tch move to trick him...

He is smarter, not more powerful.

No matter where Deidara had aimed the bomb, it would've required an equal amount of sand to stop.

Using a distraction isn't exactly cutting edge tactics, nor is it particularly cheap considering their surroundings.

Bada's Palin, the point that DJ is trying to say is that Gaara beat the living shit out of Deidara, even though he got clay in his sand, Gaara still won . If they didn't fight at the sand village, and fought in the forest where Gaara and Naruto fought, Gaara would have beat the hell out of Deidara.

But Deidara only used C1 against Gaara.

Yeah, a giant bomb going to blow up the sand village is C1. Even with all of his other bombs, the sand would still protect Gaara, it is to strong.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Deidara went into that fight unprepared So did Gaara. Whoa.

No matter where Deidara aimed the bomb? I doubt he would try to stop a bomb aimed at nothing.

And if you are saying that it would be aimed at him, k, won't work, the reason it worked is because it drew his attention towards the village instead of himself and used the sand to guard the village.

Also, the only attack that went through Gaara was in his sand. Besides that nothing would get through to Gaara. Next time, Gaara uses sand coffin on his entire body.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
So did Gaara. Whoa.

Whoa but Deidara only brought a little bit of clay in his bag, thinking it would be easy, thats why he was unprepared and used only a couple small bombs, then used the rest of his clay to drop on the town. If he was prepared and brought more clay like he did against Sasuke, he probably wouldn't have needed to do that.

Originally posted by Wil7
Also, the only attack that went through Gaara was in his sand. Besides that nothing would get through to Gaara. Next time, Gaara uses sand coffin on his entire body.

There won't be a next time, because next time Gaara's much much weaker.

Originally posted by Wil7
Bada's Palin, the point that DJ is trying to say is that Gaara beat the living shit out of Deidara, even though he got clay in his sand, Gaara still won . If they didn't fight at the sand village, and fought in the forest where Gaara and Naruto fought, Gaara would have beat the hell out of Deidara.

Now you're just being plain retarded.

The Clay deidara used to create the C1 wouldn't just vanish into thin air if they changed scenery, he would've used it in a different way and if he had aimed the C1 at Gaara then it would still have to be stopped, meaning that he would spend a lot of chakra doing so.

If they fought in the forest then Gaara would've had a MUCH harder time manipulating sand as he had in the SAND village. We all know he can create sand "wherever" he is, but that doesn't matter he'll still be capable of manipulating as much as he did in the SAND village.

There's a reason why Gaara ended up being both Naruto's and Deidara's b1tch.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/249/19/

Gaara was going for the kill, Deidara wasn't.

Originally posted by Bada's Palin
There won't be a next time, because next time Gaara's much much weaker.



Now you're just being plain retarded.

The Clay deidara used to create the C1 wouldn't just vanish into thin air if they changed scenery, he would've used it in a different way and if he had aimed the C1 at Gaara then it would still have to be stopped, meaning that he would spend a lot of chakra doing so.

If they fought in the forest then Gaara would've had a MUCH harder time manipulating sand as he had in the SAND village. We all know he can create sand "wherever" he is, but that doesn't matter he'll still be capable of manipulating as much as he did in the SAND village.

There's a reason why Gaara ended up being both Naruto's and Deidara's b1tch.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/249/19/

Gaara was going for the kill, Deidara wasn't. Yes, there won't be a next time because DEIDARA IS DEAD!!!

Gaara's sand would protect him from every bomb that Deidara tries to use against him. Surrounding himself in a great ball of sand is really hard to break through. Only chidori was able to break through. The great ball of sand doesn't waste chakra, but sand armor does.

Then why does he create a sand tsunami where Kimimaro and Gaara fought? He would just create one and get him stuck under ground. He also has the shield of shukaku. Not even Kimimaro was able to get through that. Yes, and Deidara was getting schooled in the Sand village. Flat out, Gaara beat Deidara, Deidara just outsmarted him

Wait, that is proving Gaara is there b1tch how?

^unfair, every1 knows that if diedara had really been serious{even his teammate siad that he wasnt taking enough clay and being cocky} he would have used his exploding clones, a lot more c-3, minefield, c-4 microscopic bombs, and if all else failed, his suicide jutsu. aint no way gaara was gona survive that. he was severely underestimating gaara and trying to take him ALIVE.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
^unfair, every1 knows that if diedara had really been serious{even his teammate siad that he wasnt taking enough clay and being cocky} he would have used his exploding clones, a lot more c-3, minefield, c-4 microscopic bombs, and if all else failed, his suicide jutsu. aint no way gaara was gona survive that. he was severely underestimating gaara and trying to take him ALIVE.

Sasuke survived because of Manda. Gaara's sand is stronger than Manda's body. It will protect him.

Originally posted by Wil7
Sasuke survived because of Manda. Gaara's sand is stronger than Manda's body. It will protect him.


sasuke could have killed deidara from the begining of the fight but he wanted to make sure his theory was correct so he took an ass kicking and when he was sure. it was over for deidara

Originally posted by Wil7
Yes, there won't be a next time because DEIDARA IS DEAD!!!

Gaara's sand would protect him from every bomb that Deidara tries to use against him. Surrounding himself in a great ball of sand is really hard to break through. Only chidori was able to break through. The great ball of sand doesn't waste chakra, but sand armor does.

Then why does he create a sand tsunami where Kimimaro and Gaara fought? He would just create one and get him stuck under ground. He also has the shield of shukaku. Not even Kimimaro was able to get through that. Yes, and Deidara was getting schooled in the Sand village. Flat out, Gaara beat Deidara, Deidara just outsmarted him

Wait, that is proving Gaara is there b1tch how?

- What is a sand Tsunami going do to Deidara? He can fly on his bird.

- The shield of shukaku protects a SMALL portion in front of him. It never occurred to Kimimaro that he could circle around gaara.....

- If Deidara outsmarted Gaara then Deidara DID defeat hm. Not only did Gaara have unlimited resources, but Deidara was at a major disadvantage. Do you realize that Deidara was ordered to bring Gaara in alive?

It proves that Gaara was Deidara's b1tch because Gaara lost when he had homefield advantage, Deidara wasn't even trying to kill him and Deidara barely had any supplies.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
^unfair, every1 knows that if diedara had really been serious{even his teammate siad that he wasnt taking enough clay and being cocky} he would have used his exploding clones, a lot more c-3, minefield, c-4 microscopic bombs, and if all else failed, his suicide jutsu. aint no way gaara was gona survive that. he was severely underestimating gaara and trying to take him ALIVE.

Apparently these moves do not count.

Originally posted by Bada's Palin
- The shield of shukaku protects a SMALL portion in front of him. It never occurred to Kimimaro that he could circle around gaara.....

This is one of those times when I facepalm at the world of Naruto. Some of their logic is so retarded. Neji not simply jumping away from the spiders instead of standing in one spot and taking them all on is also retarded.




To be fair, Gaara was whooping his ass (Detached arm?) before losing. It wasn't a fair fight on either side because Deidera had orders to not kill and was underprepared. Gaara had the responsibility of protecting an entire city of people and the only way Deidera won was by exploiting that. If they fought without those restraints the outcome may have different. It's not fair to judge either by that fight.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
To be fair, Gaara was whooping his ass (Detached arm?) before losing. It wasn't a fair fight on either side because Deidera had orders to not kill and was underprepared. Gaara had the responsibility of protecting an entire city of people and the only way Deidera won was by exploiting that. If they fought without those restraints the outcome may have different. It's not fair to judge either by that fight.

Whether or not Deidara had used his bomb on the city didn't matter, because what won him the fight was the fact that Gaara went after his arm. If Gaara had not crushed his arm, then Deidara wouldn't have won.

It doesn't matter how a shinobi fight is doing, the outcome matters. Deidara fought using his mind and a BARE MINIMUM of resources, where as Gaara didn't use his head at all. In a rematch Deidara would win simply because he's Gaara's superior intellectually. Gaara's tactic is really basic....

Originally posted by Bada's Palin
Whether or not Deidara had used his bomb on the city didn't matter, because what won him the fight was the fact that Gaara went after his arm. If Gaara had not crushed his arm, then Deidara wouldn't have won.

It doesn't matter how a shinobi fight is doing, the outcome matters. Deidara fought using his mind and a BARE MINIMUM of resources, where as Gaara didn't use his head at all. In a rematch Deidara would win simply because he's Gaara's superior intellectually. Gaara's tactic is really basic....

Even if Gaara wouldn't have crushed Deidara's arm, there would be no way at all that Deidara would win. There would be no clay in his sand to blow him up. Even if Deidara would use all of his other clay bombs, he would have still lost. Nothing of Gaara's can get through Gaara's sand defence. Once Gaara surrounds himself in sand, it is over. Nothing of Deidara's can get to him.

You are way wrong. As I said, nothing of Deidara's can get through Gaara's sand. Next time, Gaara will just get Deidara stuck in sand coffin and crush him right away. If he is on a bird, he would use sand tsunami, something that Kimimaro couldn't avoid, and get Deidara stuck under it and then use giant sand coffin to crush Deidara.

Originally posted by Wil7
Even if Gaara wouldn't have crushed Deidara's arm, there would be no way at all that Deidara would win. There would be no clay in his sand to blow him up. Even if Deidara would use all of his other clay bombs, he would have still lost. Nothing of Gaara's can get through Gaara's sand defence. Once Gaara surrounds himself in sand, it is over. Nothing of Deidara's can get to him.

You are way wrong. As I said, nothing of Deidara's can get through Gaara's sand. Next time, Gaara will just get Deidara stuck in sand coffin and crush him right away. If he is on a bird, he would use sand tsunami, something that Kimimaro couldn't avoid, and get Deidara stuck under it and then use giant sand coffin to crush Deidara.

Answer these questions in the following order.

- How would Deidara get trapped under a sand tsunami? Kimimaro wasn't able to dodge it because Gaara was restraining his feet.....

- If Gaara has to protect himself from the bomb, he would require an equal amount of chakra to do so.

- The "next" time Gaara wouldn't have any automatic shield and Deidara would be dead, so I'm not sure how you think that would be a fight?

- Gaara's sand isn't impenetrable, as it's already been pierced a number of times. Unless you can provide me with some proof that it's ACTUALLY impenetrable.

- What's keeping Deidara from letting Gaara crush a clay clone instead and then repeating his old technique? Kakashi couldn't tell them apart, Gaara surely can't.

Originally posted by Bada's Palin
Answer these questions in the following order.

- How would Deidara get trapped under a sand tsunami? Kimimaro wasn't able to dodge it because Gaara was restraining his feet.....

- If Gaara has to protect himself from the bomb, he would require an equal amount of chakra to do so.

- The "next" time Gaara wouldn't have any automatic shield and Deidara would be dead, so I'm not sure how you think that would be a fight?

- Gaara's sand isn't impenetrable, as it's already been pierced a number of times. Unless you can provide me with some proof that it's ACTUALLY impenetrable.

- What's keeping Deidara from letting Gaara crush a clay clone instead and then repeating his old technique? Kakashi couldn't tell them apart, Gaara surely can't.

- He would do the same thing for Deidara, except a bigger and faster.

- He just needs to move the sand in front of him to protect him. Where does it say he uses chakra when he bends sand?

- He can still bend sand, that doesn't change.

- Yeah, by chidori, and the bombs is no chidori. Everyone knows that.

Originally posted by Wil7
- He would do the same thing for Deidara, except a bigger and faster.

- He just needs to move the sand in front of him to protect him. Where does it say he uses chakra when he bends sand?
\ Deidara would be in the air. It be harder to get Deidara like it was Kimimaro

And the only sand he never used any chakra was his sand shield. Any other sand attack takes chakra. Just like his sand armor. His sand is his ninjutsu. It's common sense.

Originally posted by Wil7
- He would do the same thing for Deidara, except a bigger and faster.

- He just needs to move the sand in front of him to protect him. Where does it say he uses chakra when he bends sand?

- He can still bend sand, that doesn't change.

- Yeah, by chidori, and the bombs is no chidori. Everyone knows that.


- Proof that he can do this, and proof that it matters seeing as he needed to RESTRAIN Kimimaro in order to hit him with the first.

- Move the sand in front of him? he needed to move enough sand to cover an entire village. It's not like the sand shield which Rock Lee can get through..... http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/249/18/ "Last bit of strength"

- So? It's still not impenetrable....

- You failed to address the fact that Gaara can't tell Deidara's clones apart and that using sand funeral on them would result in immediate loss.

Originally posted by Bada's Palin
- Proof that he can do this, and proof that it matters seeing as he needed to RESTRAIN Kimimaro in order to hit him with the first.

- Move the sand in front of him? he needed to move enough sand to cover an entire village. It's not like the sand shield which Rock Lee can get through..... http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/249/18/ "Last bit of strength"

- So? It's still not impenetrable....

- You failed to address the fact that Gaara can't tell Deidara's clones apart and that using sand funeral on them would result in immediate loss.

- http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/215/10/
Read the bottem, and read what Gaara says about his sand.

- That entire fight between Deidara and Gaara, you didn't see the automatic sand shield one time, the entire fight it was Gaara bending the sand.

- You are forgetting that he can bend the sand to protect himself. You can get through the sand, but you will need to be fast to do so.

- You also failed to realize that Gaara can still be protected by giant sand shield protecting his entire body, and a giant bomb of Deidara's couldn't get through Gaara's sand.

Originally posted by Wil7
- http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/215/10/
Read the bottem, and read what Gaara says about his sand.

- That entire fight between Deidara and Gaara, you didn't see the automatic sand shield one time, the entire fight it was Gaara bending the sand.

- You are forgetting that he can bend the sand to protect himself. You can get through the sand, but you will need to be fast to do so.

- You also failed to realize that Gaara can still be protected by giant sand shield protecting his entire body, and a giant bomb of Deidara's couldn't get through Gaara's sand.

- What are you talking about? You just proved that he needed to restrain Kimimaro. You COMPLETELY failed to prove that he would hit Deidara or Kimi without restraining him. lmao

- He was able to create holes in the sand with regular bombs, in order to stop the EPIC bomb Gaara would need more/stronger sand.

- I know that he can control sand, that's not what's being disputed here and it seems to be your ONLY argument.

- Once again you have no proof....

-

Originally posted by Bada's Palin
Whether or not Deidara had used his bomb on the city didn't matter, because what won him the fight was the fact that Gaara went after his arm. If Gaara had not crushed his arm, then Deidara wouldn't have won.

No, what won him the fight was that Gaara went for saving the city and leaving himself unprotected. If gaara had ignored the bomb and just focused on Deidera the city would have been vaporized (or at least a part of it), and Deidera would have died.



Right, because you have the authority to basically say that there is no such thing as PIS and cirumstances in the naruto-verse, right? By your logic if Konohamaru killed Kimmimaro while Kimmimaro while Kimmi was in a coma, Konohamaru > Kimi. Circumstances always matetr in any fight no matter what. You come from the Comic book forum, you know better.





O RLY? Tell that tp Shikamaru, who got his ass kicked by that sound four chick even though he otusmarted her multiple times.

Being smarter doesn't matter if your opponent's antural abilities are much better than your own.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
No, what won him the fight was that Gaara went for saving the city and leaving himself unprotected. If gaara had ignored the bomb and just focused on Deidera the city would have been vaporized (or at least a part of it), and Deidera would have died.



Right, because you have the authority to basically say that there is no such thing as PIS and cirumstances in the naruto-verse, right? By your logic if Konohamaru killed Kimmimaro while Kimmimaro while Kimmi was in a coma, Konohamaru > Kimi. Circumstances always matetr in any fight no matter what. You come from the Comic book forum, you know better.





O RLY? Tell that tp Shikamaru, who got his ass kicked by that sound four chick even though he otusmarted her multiple times.

Being smarter doesn't matter if your opponent's antural abilities are much better than your own.

True

But Konohamuru<<<<<Kimmimaro

True, and that is alittle true.

Konohamaru IIRC survived being sent face-first into Tsunade's breasts.

That is a feat not a single person in Naruto can claim to have done.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
O RLY? Tell that tp Shikamaru, who got his ass kicked by that sound four chick even though he otusmarted her multiple times.

Being smarter doesn't matter if your opponent's antural abilities are much better than your own.

By outsmart, I mean "Find a way to win" not be able to get your opponent into a difficult position.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Konohamaru IIRC survived being sent face-first into Tsunade's breasts.

That is a feat not a single person in Naruto can claim to have done.

That's funny, but surviving going head first into Tsunade's breasts isn't that big of a feat. He is still weak as hell.

Naruto survived a flick on the forehead from Tsunade. And if Naruto ran into Tsunade's breasts, he would survive as well.

Originally posted by Wil7
That's funny, but surviving going head first into Tsunade's breasts isn't that big of a feat. He is still weak as hell.

Naruto survived a flick on the forehead from Tsunade. And if Naruto ran into Tsunade's breasts, he would survive as well.

You do realize that Jaxx was kidding?.....

Originally posted by Bada's Palin
You do realize that Jaxx was kidding?.....

Yes, I do know he was kidding.