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I already know who'll win but a buddy from Marvel thinks everyone over here has Scathan wrong. He's coming to school us.

...Scathan wins.

Doesn't he?

Yes.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Yes.

Cause your OP scared me. I was all like, "Woah. Is this a trick question?"

Then going through all the billions of possibilities in my head in a nanosecond Surfer-style, and decided my initial opinion was right.

Abraxas is incredibly powerful. Can destroy entire dimensions simply by approaching them. Can wipe a character out of existence from every universe in the omniverse with a simple gesture. And is the omniversal embodiment of destruction.

But, Scathan owned Protege, a being more powerful than the LT, with a gesture. So as powerful as Abraxas is, I don't even think they can compare.

Scathan would simply disapprove of Abraxas' senseless destruction and that would be the end of his trouble.

Exactly. I just made this one because it's the one we were discussing on Marvel. The Marvel boards are mostly kids so he's got everyone believing Abraxas>Scathan. I told him to man up and bring his arguement over here with the adults play.

Celestial

Abraxas is a cooler character

Originally posted by Mindset
Abraxas is a cooler character

No way. He's a gayer shade of green, not as muscular looking, wears a toga instead of cool-looking armor, and walks like a pansy.

Plus, Scathan does the whole Terminator 2 thumbs up thing.

Abraxas did cooler things on panel.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Abraxas did cooler things on panel.

That is true. But for being the 'Embodiment of Omniversal Destruction,' or whatever his title was...they should have made him look more bad-ass.

Like...Tenebrous. Or Kurse. I dunno.

Entropy didn't look much better and he killed Eternity.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Entropy didn't look much better and he killed Eternity.

Eternity looks gay, too, though. I'd question his sexual orientation, but he's got that babe Infinity with him, so...

Eww that's his sister dude.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Eww that's his sister dude.

It's gotta get lonely being Eternity...that's all I'm sayin'...

He's got his pick of the ladies I imagine. They all live within him.

Scathan wins.

Originally posted by Enyalus
That is true. But for being the 'Embodiment of Omniversal Destruction,' or whatever his title was

Abraxas is the embodiment of Omniversal destruction.

But Galan is right, his title is simply the embodiment of destruction.

There's really no need to place an adjective there,
because it's all of Marvel that gets destroyed.

So it's "Destruction" ... period, in it's absolute form.


Abaraxs destroys Eternity ... withIN Eternity's form is the Omniverse.

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/792375_Et.jpg


http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/792417_Ab2.jpg

"And if we do not act soon ... All of Time will be lost to us"

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
I already know who'll win but a buddy from Marvel thinks everyone over here has Scathan wrong. He's coming to school us.

AND I AM HERE!!!! abraxas ftw. and time to instigate. Scathan has almost ZERO feats. I WOULD love to hear how he wins this one

Originally posted by Enyalus
...Scathan wins.

Doesn't he?

this person sounds unsure. he's probably scared he'd get pounced on the the Cult of Scathan followers. dont worry buddy, im here to liberate you

Originally posted by Enyalus
Cause your OP scared me. I was all like, "Woah. Is this a trick question?"

Then going through all the billions of possibilities in my head in a nanosecond Surfer-style, and decided my initial opinion was right.

Abraxas is incredibly powerful. Can destroy entire dimensions simply by approaching them. Can wipe a character out of existence from every universe in the omniverse with a simple gesture. And is the omniversal embodiment of destruction.

But, Scathan owned Protege, a being more powerful than the LT, with a gesture. So as powerful as Abraxas is, I don't even think they can compare.

Scathan would simply disapprove of Abraxas' senseless destruction and that would be the end of his trouble.

and that is ur reasoning for a scathan win. first, how is scathan more powerful than LT. Protege is a whiny child. he learns by observing. scathan was there for a reason and that was to observe what was going on thus, protege was not able to copy any of his abilities. He slapped a muzzle on the kids face to prevent him from copying any more abilities. there was no attacks shared between protege and LT.

Zero feats? I guess pwning a being who was more powerful than the LT doesn't count anymore as a feat?

Originally posted by wolvie316
AND I AM HERE!!!! abraxas ftw. and time to instigate. Scathan has almost ZERO feats. I WOULD love to hear how he wins this one Sorry. His feat is just better than any of Abraxas' me thinks.

Originally posted by wolvie316
and that is ur reasoning for a scathan win. first, how is scathan more powerful than LT. Protege is a whiny child. he learns by observing. scathan was there for a reason and that was to observe what was going on thus, protege was not able to copy any of his abilities. He slapped a muzzle on the kids face to prevent him from copying any more abilities. there was no attacks shared between protege and LT.

Protege had all of the LT's abilities, Hawkgod's, Eternity's, Mephisto (IIRC), etc. Which makes him more powerful than the LT. Especially since LT thought he'd need an amulet to boost his power in order to defeat Protege.

That being said, Scathan renders all of his powers and abilities useless with a simple gesture after fighting off Protege's reality warp, and physically overpowers him.

Really, what is Abraxas going to be able to do? 'Nothing' is the answer you're looking for here.

Abraxas only has 2 impressive feats. Killing off alternate reality Galactuses and kissing Roma to death.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Abraxas only has 2 impressive feats. Killing off alternate reality Galactuses and kissing Roma to death.

LOL...That last was awesome.

Killing off every Reed Richards at once was neat, too. He can also collapse entire universes/dimensions with ease.

I don't recall that happening. I remember someone mentioning that the barriers between dimensions blurred when he approached.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
I don't recall that happening. I remember someone mentioning that the barriers between dimensions blurred when he approached.

Yeah. That's what happens. Dimensions collapse into themselves simply by him approaching.

That sounds more like 2 dimensions becoming 1.

Which was what basically happened when that alternate Hulk entered the 616 uni and thought the FF were the U-foes.

Collapse as in being destroyed, I assume.

That's what I would assume it means as well, nothing that was said implied that though. If he could do that he wouldn't have needed the UN.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Protege had all of the LT's abilities, Hawkgod's, Eternity's, Mephisto (IIRC), etc. Which makes him more powerful than the LT. Especially since LT thought he'd need an amulet to boost his power in order to defeat Protege.

That being said, Scathan renders all of his powers and abilities useless with a simple gesture after fighting off Protege's reality warp, and physically overpowers him.

Really, what is Abraxas going to be able to do? 'Nothing' is the answer you're looking for here.

Reality warp??? WHAT!!! what reality warp. did u guys read the same thing i did. first off in order for protege to learn a new power he had to observe it. im new here so i dont know how to post scans yet. this was mentioned several times in the series. LT, Eternity and others did not display all of their powers if any at all. while the beyonder was observing protege's conversation with mephisto he said that he was foolish and let protege copy some of his powers....but not all of them (im paraphrasing). then later on protege had told the beyonder to be silent so he can concentrate on duplicating the power displays he had observed thus far. thus far strongly implies that he had not duplicate all of their powers and he would have to see LT's, eternity's etc powerset in action in order to actually duplicate it and unless im crazy and missed something, their entire powerset was not displayed. also, when protege was about to engage in battle against LT, Eternity and hawk god that is when scathan stepped in with a blast to get everyone's attention. that was the only blast fired in that particular confrontation. the muzzle was applied so he would be incapable of observing any more power displays. and As i said before, scathan was only there to observe meaning he took no action which is why protege didn't copy any of his abilities. scathan was the wildcard and LT and Eternity knew this. why do you think the hawk god kept on asking why was scathan standing there and wouldn't help. if he took any type of action, then protege would've been able to copy his abilities as well. he stepped in at the very last second and stopped what was about to go down. if scathan had pwned him then there would be no need for a muzzle. it was applied for a reason. if he had copied every body else's powers then there wouldn't have been a need for a muzzle.
apparently many people here made up stuff in their own mind on how things went down. haha reality warp. yea right. when did that happen. read the comic again and this time analyze it fully. its up to you guys whether u want to agree with what makes sense or continue to believe what somebody shoved into your head and make you believe that Scathan is actually more powerful than the living tribunal...ask urself how much sense does that make.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Zero feats? I guess pwning a being who was more powerful than the LT doesn't count anymore as a feat?


stop making stuff up. nowhere did it ever say protege was more powerful than LT. there is zero proof to back it up seeing that there was no attack from one to the other to even consider saying that

So he just copied the LT's appearance? Does it say anywhere that Protege copies appearances?

Fail again.

LMAO, copying appearances.

Originally posted by wolvie316
Reality warp??? WHAT!!! what reality warp. did u guys read the same thing i did. first off in order for protege to learn a new power he had to observe it. im new here so i dont know how to post scans yet. this was mentioned several times in the series. LT, Eternity and others did not display all of their powers if any at all. while the beyonder was observing protege's conversation with mephisto he said that he was foolish and let protege copy some of his powers....but not all of them (im paraphrasing). then later on protege had told the beyonder to be silent so he can concentrate on duplicating the power displays he had observed thus far. thus far strongly implies that he had not duplicate all of their powers and he would have to see LT's, eternity's etc powerset in action in order to actually duplicate it and unless im crazy and missed something, their entire powerset was not displayed. also, when protege was about to engage in battle against LT, Eternity and hawk god that is when scathan stepped in with a blast to get everyone's attention. that was the only blast fired in that particular confrontation. the muzzle was applied so he would be incapable of observing any more power displays. and As i said before, scathan was only there to observe meaning he took no action which is why protege didn't copy any of his abilities. scathan was the wildcard and LT and Eternity knew this. why do you think the hawk god kept on asking why was scathan standing there and wouldn't help. if he took any type of action, then protege would've been able to copy his abilities as well. he stepped in at the very last second and stopped what was about to go down. if scathan had pwned him then there would be no need for a muzzle. it was applied for a reason. if he had copied every body else's powers then there wouldn't have been a need for a muzzle.
apparently many people here made up stuff in their own mind on how things went down. haha reality warp. yea right. when did that happen. read the comic again and this time analyze it fully. its up to you guys whether u want to agree with what makes sense or continue to believe what somebody shoved into your head and make you believe that Scathan is actually more powerful than the living tribunal...ask urself how much sense does that make.

Reality warp. Yeah. Right after Protege proclaims himself the new LT and God. And ask yourself if, by your own assertion, Scathan was the "wildcard" which the Living Tribunal was relying upon, what hope does Abraxas have of overcoming him?

Also, you seem to be under the erroneous conclusion that because Scathan used a muzzle to nullify him instead of blasting or punching him into submission that he isn't powerful. Which is false. Protege was more powerful than the LT, and Scathan nullifies that power and binds him with one gesture.

Abraxas is going to have an answer for that how?

Originally posted by Mindset
LMAO, copying appearances.

Lol exactly what i was gonna say. that proves everything right there

Originally posted by Enyalus
Reality warp. Yeah. Right after Protege proclaims himself the new LT and God. And ask yourself if, by your own assertion, Scathan was the "wildcard" which the Living Tribunal was relying upon, what hope does Abraxas have of overcoming him?

Also, you seem to be under the erroneous conclusion that because Scathan used a muzzle to nullify him instead of blasting or punching him into submission that he isn't powerful. Which is false. Protege was more powerful than the LT, and Scathan nullifies that power and binds him with one gesture.

Abraxas is going to have an answer for that how?

well u seemed to have missed my point. protege wasn't able to copy any of his abilities. a fight between abraxas and scathan is gonna be different. putting a muzzle on abraxas would do absolutely nothing because copying powers isn't his thing. its useless here. both beings are going to rely on their powers and the celestial is extremely outclassed here. and defeating protege with a gesture. seriously where are u guys coming up with this stuff. he was able to subdue protege because as i said, the didn't duplicate the entire power sets of LT and eternity. if he did then the battle would've been much more than that. the muzzle came into play to prevent all of that.

Originally posted by wolvie316
well u seemed to have missed my point.

No, I was just hoping it was better than what I thought. Turns out, it isn't.

Originally posted by wolvie316
putting a muzzle on abraxas would do absolutely nothing because copying powers isn't his thing. its useless here.

The muzzle stopped him from copying powers and using them - hence why he wasn't able to break out of the muzzle or kill Scathan or anyone else afterwards, and why he is physically overpowered once the muzzle is applied.

Originally posted by wolvie316
both beings are going to rely on their powers and the celestial is extremely outclassed here.

Celestials have enough power to make Galactus afraid, on their own. Scathan has that kind of power plus the ability to nullify anyone's abilities with a gesture. I ask again - how does Abraxas overcome that?

Originally posted by wolvie316
and defeating protege with a gesture. seriously where are u guys coming up with this stuff.

Comics. Do you read them?

Originally posted by wolvie316
he was able to subdue protege because as i said, the didn't duplicate the entire power sets of LT and eternity.

So he just has the Tri-Faces of the LT because they look cool? He declares himself God in front of LT and Eternity for no reason? He declares he's going to remake the Marvel Universe in his image for shits and giggles? LT asks for an amulet boost for no apparent reason?

No - Protege had all of LT's, Eternity's, Hawk God's, Mephisto's, etc. powers.

Originally posted by wolvie316
if he did then the battle would've been much more than that. the muzzle came into play to prevent all of that.

Yeah, exactly. The muzzle came into play and prevented Protege from becoming the new god of the MU. It was able to stop Protege when no one else could. Abraxas is sorely outclassed.

Originally posted by wolvie316

how is scathan more powerful than LT.
Simple, by being so.

Originally posted by wolvie316

apparently many people here made up stuff in their own mind on how things went down. haha reality warp. yea right. when did that happen. read the comic again and this time analyze it fully.

its up to you guys whether u want to agree with what makes sense
or continue to believe what somebody shoved into your head
and make you believe that Scathan is actually more powerful than the living tribunal...
ask urself how much sense does that make.

Protege instantly copies whatever he sees,
no matter what you throw at him, he'll just continue to cancel it out,
because he'll instantly become it's equal,
then, he surpasses that equal as he continues to absorb,
this is all done on the moment instantly, it's a re-action of Protege's really.

I remember when he battled the Beyonder,
before he copied an iota of Beyonder's power, he was weaker than Beyonder,
in fact, all of Protege's power at that point was nothing to Beyonder,
but as soon as Protege was able to tap into one piece of Beyonder's power,
it was done, Protege was able to battle Beyonder, and in fact stalemate him,
cause everything Beyonder did, Protege instantly was able to copy and re-direct.

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/736089_Pro1.jpghttp://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/736090_Pro2.jpg


Eternity even states that Protege is fast reaching "infinite Omnipotence"
(and this is before copying Hawkgod/Eternity/LT's power)

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/736091_Pro3.jpg

Anyway, Beyonder had to run, he simply couldn't win.

When one page prior he had Protege like his ***** in a crystal.

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/736092_Pro4.jpg



Meh, LT clearly states, Protege is a Multiversal threat!

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/736093_Pro5.jpg

(and this is before copying Hawkgod/Eternity/LT's power) so go figure.

To begin with,

by the end, the LT was definitely weaker than Protege:

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After Protege copied LT's power, while standing in Scathan's hand:

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/736125_P3.jpg

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Beyonder stated "on the boy rests the fate of any and all realities"

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/736126_P5.jpg

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The writer gives us the reactions of the LT, Eternity, Scathan and Hawgod.

The LT's conclusion is ... "logical confirmation"

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/736127_P6.jpg

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/736128_P7.jpg


So the LT himself agrees!

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Here Eternity states that Scathan's "purpose
is to record and approve of what transpires"

Eternity also tells Hawkgod to save every iota of his power to help battle Protege:

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/736167_P8.jpg

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Here the LT seems to know Protege has now surpassed his power.

Protege notices the LT, Eternity, Hawkgod and GOTG are joining against him,
so Protege summoned Mephisto and his daughter to attack the GOTG,
'Talon' was wearing the 'Ancient One's Amulet' ...
the LT actually states he/they may need it later against Protege:

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/441436_Pro5.jpg

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Here Protege prepares to erase the LT, Eternity, Hawgod and GOTG,

The last scan shows Scathan's power interrupting Protege:

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/736168_P9.jpg

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Scathan stomping Protege with a gesture:

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/736169_P10.jpg


Protege is rendered in-affective with his mighty gesture:

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/736170_P11.jpg


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The LT (while Scathan restrains Protege physically)
absorbs Protege into the 'Eternal Hourglass' which lies within the LT:

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/441453_Pro10.jpg

Again,
it's Scathan that has the last say in the matter (sorta speak)

"And so it ends, and Scathan approves"



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This is proof that Protege had surpassed the LT in power.

Evidently what the LT said earlier was true,
they were indeed going to need the 'Ancient One's Amulet'
the LT specifically.

Here we learn that the LT was using the 'Ancient One's Amulet'
as a source of power to increase his own in order to deal with judging Protege:

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/441454_Pro11.jpg

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As for the Handbook account:

(excerpt from the official Marvel Handbook - LT bio 2006)

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LT's bio also corroborates what took place on panel in the GOTG arc,
it also clearly states that Scathan saved Realty:

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/441478_LT.jpg

"LT was nearly usurped by Protege,
whose ability to duplicate the powers of others
allowed him to manifest the LT's own power."


srugdoped

Originally posted by wolvie316
Scathan is actually more powerful than the living tribunal...ask urself how much sense does that make. you see, LT is only omnipotent, whereas scathan is omnipotent +1 (maybe +2). that's why scathan > LT.

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This is no surprise actually,
Protege was meant to be that final evolution of life that supersedes the Abstracts.

He was created by a 100 generations of trials,
"through selective breeding, genetic manipulation,
and various chemicals, drugs, and sciences,
and arcane magicks."

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/736505_Pro1.jpg

"The most powerful being ever conceived of mortal woman"

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This is how Protege's powers work,
it begins at the visual level, I've never disputed that,
but later Protege himself stated that was only for the time being,
as he told Malevolence concerning copying "unseen thoughts" "not yet anyway" ...

http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/7946/pro6ff9.th.jpg

Which is true, cause later he was copying power more effectively, like LT's.

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Still, Protege learns how to use everything he copies instantly,
and he adds everything he copies to his own power,

Because of this Martinex says:

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/736506_Pro2.jpg

"This Protege may be the most powerful person ever born!"

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/736507_pro3.jpg

This is also
why Martinex fears the thought of Protege meeting powerhouses like Galactus,
as we know, he met the embodiment of all there is,
and the LT.

Martinex's fears were realized indeed.

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This is what the LT and Eternity said about Protege
when Protege became aware of what he could do:

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/736508_Pro5.jpg

Eternity: "The Child has become aware"

LT: "And with awareness comes great power, Eternity"

Eternity: "Perhaps the greatest yet born to mortals"

LT: Or Immortals"

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Wow ... nuff said ....


Evidently, it seems that the more power Protege collects,
the more effective his copying abilities become.
(based on how he copied LT's power)

Hopefully 2009 Official Marvel Handbooks Deluxe Edition
will have Protege's bio.
Until then, while the circumstances are a bit merky,
there's no denying that Protege copied LT's power,
and indeed became more powerful than the LT,
and finally, Scathan proved to be more powerful than Protege.

That's the indisputable bottom line.

Originally posted by Galan007
you see, LT is only omnipotent, whereas scathan is omnipotent +1 (maybe +2) - which is why scathan > LT.

in short, it makes perfect sense (comic-wise.) Let us not forget that Living Tribunal + that amulet or whatever he was using > normal Living Tribunal. Thus, Living Tribunal's power + that amulet = God's power, because Living Tribunal is second only to God.

Heh.

Protege was copying LT's conceptual purpose while standing on Scathan's hand.

As for LT displaying power that was in Protege's sight:

Like I said, he copied LT's power, which is to judge any and all,
from Scathan's hand he did it,
but, how do you think Protege ended up in Scathan's hand?

When Protege and Beyonder were battling a second time,
they were interrupted by something incredible:

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/737024_Pro1.jpg

"Suddenly the two figures vanish into an intra-dimensional confluence
unlike anything ever seen in this OR ANY other Reality."

(right before Protege's eyes ... somebody ...
... just warped the shit out of reality
like it had never been done before ... wow!)

Guess who did that?

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/737025_Pro2.jpg

For those that don't click on scans ... that's the LT who did that.

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So they end up on Scathan's hand, like I said before:

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/737026_Pro3.jpg

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Mephisto clarifies that incredible power was used
to cause an intra-dimensional confluence of that magnitude:

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/737027_Pro4.jpg

"The Force necessary to initiate an intra-dimensional confluence of that magnitude,
could ONLY emanate from ..."

(next page, we're with the LT and company as the judgement continues.

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That's what was happening all that time in Scathan's hand,
Protege was being judged by the LT.

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/737028_Pro5.jpg

It seems Protege was able to copy this authoritative conjuncture,
when LT is judging you, LT is exercising his power.

This explains why Protege had copied and surpassed LT's power,
and we know for a fact Protege did surpass the LT,
cause the LT needed to draw the Amulet
to supplement his own power to deal with Protege. (I proved this with on panel evidence)

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Here's Protege, clearly copying the Cosmic powers, including the LT's,
just by observing the proceedings of his judgement:

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/737065_Pro6.jpg

No power is being used by anyone,
the only thing that is going on is LT's Judgement,
and Eternity & Hawkgod adding to the drama with dialogue,
LOOK at Protege, there, copying away.

It seems Scathan had all the respect/status and power necessary to perform,
and it seems, this respect/status/power comes from above.


From issues back, the LT himself had to wait for Scathan before proceeding:

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/738808_S1.jpg

"We may proceed once --- HE (Scathan) arrives"

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http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/738809_S2.jpg

"Silence! The Approver's arrival is imminent"

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http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/738810_S3.jpg

"Judgement is upon you both! To that end, HE (Scathan) shall bear witness!"

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http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/738811_S4.jpg

"The Celestials' (Scathan) purpose, is to record and Approve of what transpires"

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Scathan was obviously being verbally pampered as the ultimate authority,
(it's like, you better be good/careful, or Santa/God will punish you)
indeed, in the end,
it was Scathan who by disapproving stopped Protege from erasing LT and company:

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/738812_S5.jpg

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It was also Scathan that ultimately ended the drama by simply approving:

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/738817_S6.jpg

Originally posted by Mr Master
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It was also Scathan that ultimately ended the drama by simply approving:

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/738817_S6.jpg

I always lol at that panel.

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Abraxas ... his purpose is to destroy the Omniverse:

"ALL That Ever Was, Ever IS, or Ever Will Be"

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/792375_Et.jpg

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Franklin says about the Omniversal Guardian:

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/792415_Ab1.jpg

"That's Roma, she's gonna help us fight the dark man" (Abraxas)

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Roma (Omniversal Guardian) makes it clear:

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/792417_Ab2.jpg

"And if we do not act soon ... All of Time will be lost to us"


Abraxas is a Multiversal power of Omniversal significance.

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Here are Nine Universes that would later be destroyed by Abraxas:


http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/792418_Ab3.jpg

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/792419_Ab4.jpg

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/792420_Ab5.jpg

"Imagine each of those Worlds like sand in an hourglass ...
an hourglass which Abraxas will shatter"

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This is aside from all these UniverseS Abraxas collapsed:


http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/792446_Ab1.jpg

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Meh,

And Abraxas only needs to approach UniverseS to collapse them:
(he doesn't even need to attack or enter said Realities)

(the Multiverse in fact)

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/792447_Ab2.jpg

"creatures of the Multiverse Mixing --- Reality folding onto itself

This ... is what brings Abraxas" (like I said, just by approaching)


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Here are some Bio excerpts to confirm my posts which only contain the On Panel evidence:


(reference-Official Marvel Handbook 2006 - Abraxas bio)

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How Abraxas folds/collapses Universes:

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/792504_Ab1.jpg

"While Abraxas drew near,
the walls of dimensional space began to blur" (fold/collapse)

It goes on to explain the ramifications of Abraxas approaching Realities.

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We shouldn't be surprised ... it's his Job:

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/792505_Ab2.jpg

Occupation: "Dimensional Destroyer"

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Evidently, only a power UN-like can defeat Abraxas:

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/792506_Ab3.jpg

"Realizing the danger Abraxas posed,
the FF went on a Dimension-hopping journey to recover the UN,
the One weapon that could destroy him"

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Indeed, Roma (Omniversal Guardian) stated the same thing On Panel:

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/792507_Ab4.jpg

Roma: "It will be a weapon of unimaginable power that will WIN This day"

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Here Galactus says it, and Reed realizes this truth:

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/792508_Ab5.jpg

Galactus: "But This Time, This Day can end ONLY one way"

Reed: "Yes .... God help me, I can see that now"

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More Handbook info on Abraxas: (with on panel corroboration)

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AB - FF Ultimate Guide bio:

Restructuring Reality is nothing to Abraxas!

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/792539_Ab6.jpg

"He can restructure matter and convert physical matter into pure energy ...
he has destroyed entire PLANES of Reality"




http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/792403_Ab.jpg

"We're dealing with a being of Godlike powers, BENDING Reality means nothing to him"

facepalm

(I'm starting to like this smilie)

facepalm
... angryfist

(I like this smilie) ... forgetu

I have no idea what this has to do with the thread, but it seems fun.

Originally posted by Galan007
i used it first!!! uhuh I thought bada did.

he doesn't count as a person. vin

Good scans MM, I have the Marvel Encyclopedia 2008 and no where is Protege or Scathan even on the list of known Celestrials, could be a mistake though.

Originally posted by kevdude

Good scans MM
Thanx Kev.
Originally posted by kevdude

I have the Marvel Encyclopedia 2008
and no where is Protege or Scathan even on the list of known Celestrials,
could be a mistake though.
I was talking about the new 2009 Handbooks (Deluxe Edition) not out yet.

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/849277_MU_Handbooks.jpg



The Scathan arc, including his name,
ir referenced in the Celestials Handbook bio of 2006:

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/849224_P1.jpg



And as you know, the LT's 2006 Handbook bio as well:

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/441478_LT.jpg

"LT was nearly usurped by Protege,
whose ability to duplicate the powers of others
allowed him to manifest the LT's own power."

Yeah Scathan is impressive, I'll have to get the handbooks then too (wished it was in the enclop though). When are they coming out?

Scathan is also mentioned in the 2008 Celestial handbook bio.

Scathan FTW

Originally posted by guy222
Scathan FTW I hope they bring him back so they can further expand on this character.

Would be nice