Originally posted by lord xyz
The earliest back I've seen is the 2nd century (100-199 CE)Which raises the question, why did it take 100 years for Jesus to be recognised?
Are you now denying Saint Paul's existence?
This is just too good.
You know nothing about how the Bible was made or how the historical community feel about it do you?
Re: Are there any notable non-biblical christians in the 1st century?
Originally posted by lord xyz
The earliest back I've seen is the 2nd century (100-199 CE)Which raises the question, why did it take 100 years for Jesus to be recognised?
Great Fire of Rome. Nero said Christians caused it.
Which raises the question: are you trying to look stupid?
Originally posted by Grand-Moff-GavIsn't St. Paul in the Bible?
Are you now denying Saint Paul's existence?This is just too good.
You know nothing about how the Bible was made or how the historical community feel about it do you?
Originally posted by Symmetric ChaosAre you?
Great Fire of Rome. Nero said Christians caused it.Which raises the question: are you trying to look stupid?
Since you clearly didn't name anyone.
Originally posted by lord xyz
Isn't St. Paul in the Bible?
Nope. No mention of people being Saints in the Bible. Paul was there, though.
Originally posted by lord xyz
Are you?Since you clearly didn't name anyone.
You asked two questions. The second I refuted with ten seconds of searching, having an answer to it made your first question pointless unless you're actually interested in prominent first century Christians (which I seriously doubt).
Originally posted by Symmetric ChaosThank you for being perdantic.
Nope. No mention of people being Saints in the Bible. Paul was there, though.
Originally posted by Symmetric ChaosDid I? Wow, never kneww that. *what the **** expression*
You asked two questions.
Originally posted by Symmetric ChaosYou didn't refute anything.
The second I refuted with ten seconds of searching, having an answer to it made your first question pointless unless you're actually interested in prominent first century Christians (which I seriously doubt).
Originally posted by lord xyz
Since you clearly didn't name anyone.
Eh, he was recognized before that. The Apostles and such, if we're to strictly believe Biblical history. It just wasn't made into a publicly practiced religion until a century or two after Jesus. Which throws into question all kinds of details about the origin and stories associated with Jesus, but isn't damning in and of itself...most major religions don't spring into life immediately anyway.
Originally posted by DigiMark007It does question the origin of the stories.
Eh, he was recognized before that. The Apostles and such, if we're to strictly believe Biblical history. It just wasn't made into a publicly practiced religion until a century or two after Jesus. Which throws into question all kinds of details about the origin and stories associated with Jesus, but isn't damning in and of itself...most major religions don't spring into life immediately anyway.
If Jesus was real, believers of Jesus would've been recorded as far back as the first century, yet, there aren't any.
I've heard that the Bible was wrote at around 1/200 years after as well.
Originally posted by lord xyz
Thank you for being perdantic.
You're welcome.
Thank you for misspelling pedantic. It makes my point about your intelligence so much clearer for everyone else.
Originally posted by lord xyz
You didn't refute anything.
Yes I did. It's fairly hard to blame something on someone you've never heard of. In the 1st century Christians were blamed for starting the Great Fire of Rome. Thus Christians must have existed to blame in the first century.
Originally posted by Symmetric ChaosPerfect, pernickety etc, it's an honest mistake.
You're welcome.Thank you for misspelling pedantic. It makes my point about your intelligence so much clearer for everyone else.
Yes I did. It's fairly hard to blame something on someone you've never heard of. In the 1st century Christians were blamed for starting the Great Fire of Rome. Thus Christians must have existed to blame in the first century.
He could just blame them for the sake of blaming them and only assume Christians existed in the first century by the assumption that Jesus was born in the first century.
It's not really notable, is it?
Originally posted by lord xyz
Perfect, pernickety etc, it's an honest mistake.He could just blame them for the sake of blaming them and only assume Christians existed in the first century by the assumption that Jesus was born in the first century.
It's not really notable, is it?
Considering they went out and persecuted Christians . . . considering they were a recognized group for him to accuse . . .
Seriously, if you don't want to believe in Jesus do what everyone who thinks the same does, take it on faith.
Originally posted by lord xyz
Perfect, pernickety etc, it's an honest mistake.He could just blame them for the sake of blaming them and only assume Christians existed in the first century by the assumption that Jesus was born in the first century.
It's not really notable, is it?
I'm sorry, are you saying Nero anticipated the rise of Christianity and so blamed the Christians for burning Rome even though they didn't exist?
Isn't that akin to the British claiming Australia two centuries before anyone in the west knew it was there?
Your being completely ignorant...but at the same time quite clever.
The first century goes from the year 1 to the year 100. Now all the Christians at this time were very prominent and they still are they include: Jesus, St. Peter, St. Andrew, St. Matthew, St. John, St. Luke, St. Mary, St. Joseph, St. Paul and many many others. However, because the Christian communities took these peoples writings and formed them into Scripture you have found yourself a way of excluding them from a list- you don't want Christians who have been written about, you want ones who have not been written about but are still prominent?
However, luckily some of us aren't as stupid as you are.
Pope St. Clement (Died circa AD 99, became Pope in AD 88)
St. Ignatius of Antioch. (Born AD 35 died AD 117)
Saint Polycarp. (Born AD 69 died AD 155)
Three very prominent Church Fathers from the 1st century who did not get a mention in the Bible.
Originally posted by Grand-Moff-GavDude, those are excluded on the grounds of being excluded.
I'm sorry, are you saying Nero anticipated the rise of Christianity and so blamed the Christians for burning Rome even though they didn't exist?Isn't that akin to the British claiming Australia two centuries before anyone in the west knew it was there?
Your being completely ignorant...but at the same time quite clever.
The first century goes from the year 1 to the year 100. Now all the Christians at this time were very prominent and they still are they include: Jesus, St. Peter, St. Andrew, St. Matthew, St. John, St. Luke, St. Mary, St. Joseph, St. Paul and many many others. However, because the Christian communities took these peoples writings and formed them into Scripture you have found yourself a way of excluding them from a list- you don't want Christians who have been written about, you want ones who have not been written about but are still prominent?
However, luckily some of us aren't as stupid as you are.
Pope St. Clement of Rome.
St. Ignatius of Antioch.
Saint Polycarp.Three very prominent Church Fathers from the 1st century who did not get a mention in the Bible.
Originally posted by Grand-Moff-GavNo, not at all.
I'm sorry, are you saying Nero anticipated the rise of Christianity and so blamed the Christians for burning Rome even though they didn't exist?
Originally posted by Grand-Moff-GavPossibly.
Isn't that akin to the British claiming Australia two centuries before anyone in the west knew it was there?
Originally posted by Grand-Moff-GavK.
Your being completely ignorant...but at the same time quite clever.
Originally posted by Grand-Moff-GavI think I already established that.
The first century goes from the year 1 to the year 100.
Originally posted by Grand-Moff-GavThey can be written about, just not included in the Bible. For example, Justin Martyr was a christian, but he was in the second century, so doesn't count.
Now all the Christians at this time were very prominent and they still are they include: Jesus, St. Peter, St. Andrew, St. Matthew, St. John, St. Luke, St. Mary, St. Joseph, St. Paul and many many others. However, because the Christian communities took these peoples writings and formed them into Scripture you have found yourself a way of excluding them from a list- you don't want Christians who have been written about, you want ones who have not been written about but are still prominent?
Originally posted by Grand-Moff-GavI see.
However, luckily some of us aren't as stupid as you are.Pope St. Clement (Died circa AD 99, became Pope in AD 88)
St. Ignatius of Antioch. (Born AD 35 died AD 117)
Saint Polycarp. (Born AD 69 died AD 155)Three very prominent Church Fathers from the 1st century who did not get a mention in the Bible.
Fair enough.
One question still remains that I forgot to include in my first post:
Did any of them follow the Bible?