Superman Lightray vs. Gladiator Sersi

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fangirl101
There is an obvious advantage each team could exploit.

carver9
gladiator solos.

Nihilist
Originally posted by carver9
gladiator solos.

Soljer
Originally posted by carver9
gladiator solos.

laughing

carver9
Originally posted by Soljer
laughing

Happy Dance

Endrict Nuul
Superman solos

carver9
Well if we go by on panel feats then gladiator is one of the most powerful top tiers out there.

The entire xmen combined cant put a scratch on gladiator.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/gladiatorxmen.jpg

Lets not forget that gladiator can move planets out of orbit if he wanted which put him on the high top chain of dc if he was there since that is basically something that only superboy prime has done.
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll222/CapztehLumby/SheHulk70076.jpg
http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/8489/gladpower10ym.jpg

Lets not forget that professor files states that gladiator can do anything when he put his mind to it. It also stated that gladiator powers has no limits. So that could be the reason he pulled this feat off.

"If I dont want to be touched"
http://img128.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1uh8.jpg

Lets not forget that gladiator dont get his powers from the sun but guess what, the guy swammed in a star millions of miles long and didnt have a scratch.
http://img342.imageshack.us/img342/1434/gladiatornuclearinferno2uc.jpg

Has it EVER been SAID (main word,SAID) on panel that superman can go light speed, well on panel it was said about gladiator and guess what gladiator top speed that was SAID on panel, 100 times the speed of light.
http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/7296/hyperspeed11mv.jpg
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/3034/ego067lu.jpg

Theres a nice scan showing superman being called a cosmic being by imperex. Well lets take a look at what the NARRATOR called gladiator.

A damn god.
http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/6690/gladiatorvsplanet24rd.jpg

I love this one. Hyperion has never his entire career been injured except by his own evil persona and then he was half powered. Thor knocked him out by sneeking him but all in all hyperion is completely invulnerable but guess who did the impossible and broke his neck.

http://img457.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gladiatorvshyperion063ae.jpg

Surfer admits that gladiator is his equal and if you look at there fight you'll see cosmic energy coming from both and the narrator also bring it up.

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/2195/gladiatorvssilversurfer029iz.jpg

And during the supreme fight it was stated that if they continued to fight planets across the entire solar system would have been destroyed. Lets not also forget that he was in the heart of a contained solar system destroying blast and didnt even feel it and flew out of it like nothing happened.

If we go by on panel feats then gladiator would destroy superman along with light ray whos top speed isnt nothing but 8 times the speed of light. If we go by how writers make gladiator out to be then team 2 win but gladiator is a villian and will always be down played. Nova admitted that gladiator is one of the strongest beings in the universe and nova has met some of the most powerful beings in the universe. On panel feats, gladiator>>superman, on panel showings against heros/villians, superman>gladiator.

fangirl101
Originally posted by carver9
Well if we go by on panel feats then gladiator is one of the most powerful top tiers out there.

The entire xmen combined cant put a scratch on gladiator.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/gladiatorxmen.jpg

Lets not forget that gladiator can move planets out of orbit if he wanted which put him on the high top chain of dc if he was there since that is basically something that only superboy prime has done.
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll222/CapztehLumby/SheHulk70076.jpg
http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/8489/gladpower10ym.jpg

Lets not forget that professor files states that gladiator can do anything when he put his mind to it. It also stated that gladiator powers has no limits. So that could be the reason he pulled this feat off.

"If I dont want to be touched"
http://img128.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1uh8.jpg

Lets not forget that gladiator dont get his powers from the sun but guess what, the guy swammed in a star millions of miles long and didnt have a scratch.
http://img342.imageshack.us/img342/1434/gladiatornuclearinferno2uc.jpg

Has it EVER been SAID (main word,SAID) on panel that superman can go light speed, well on panel it was said about gladiator and guess what gladiator top speed that was SAID on panel, 100 times the speed of light.
http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/7296/hyperspeed11mv.jpg
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/3034/ego067lu.jpg

Theres a nice scan showing superman being called a cosmic being by imperex. Well lets take a look at what the NARRATOR called gladiator.

A damn god.
http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/6690/gladiatorvsplanet24rd.jpg

I love this one. Hyperion has never his entire career been injured except by his own evil persona and then he was half powered. Thor knocked him out by sneeking him but all in all hyperion is completely invulnerable but guess who did the impossible and broke his neck.

http://img457.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gladiatorvshyperion063ae.jpg

Surfer admits that gladiator is his equal and if you look at there fight you'll see cosmic energy coming from both and the narrator also bring it up.

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/2195/gladiatorvssilversurfer029iz.jpg

And during the supreme fight it was stated that if they continued to fight planets across the entire solar system would have been destroyed. Lets not also forget that he was in the heart of a contained solar system destroying blast and didnt even feel it and flew out of it like nothing happened.

If we go by on panel feats then gladiator would destroy superman along with light ray whos top speed isnt nothing but 8 times the speed of light. If we go by how writers make gladiator out to be then team 2 win but gladiator is a villian and will always be down played. Nova admitted that gladiator is one of the strongest beings in the universe and nova has met some of the most powerful beings in the universe. On panel feats, gladiator>>superman, on panel showings against heros/villians, superman>gladiator.

Your avatar doesn't quite fit.

kgkg
carver9 sounds like me two years ago whistle

Enyalus
Team Two does win, although saying Gladiator solos is a bit too much for my tastes, and I'm a huge Kallark fanboy.

kgkg
Originally posted by Enyalus
Team Two does win, although saying Gladiator solos is a bit too much for my tastes, and I'm a huge Kallark fanboy. Fan of Gladiator huh High five

I got tired of defending him years ago with all the hate KMC had for him

Enyalus
*high fives*

carver9
Originally posted by Enyalus
Team Two does win, although saying Gladiator solos is a bit too much for my tastes, and I'm a huge Kallark fanboy.

I was just playing when I said gladiator solos but Im still giving it to his team since he is the most powerful on the battle field.

carver9
Originally posted by fangirl101
Your avatar doesn't quite fit.

I love my sig and I plan on being superman on halloween. Even though I dont think that he can beat everyone that dont mean that I dont like the character. I showed you some scans that gave me my decision. I can name thousands of people that superman can beat but I can also name thousands that can beat HIM because you have love for dc and I have love for both.

I consider you a good debator. give me a reason besides glads loses that you think that superman is more powerful. I showed you feats from glads that only superboy prime can do, hell superman had to sun dip to move war world before he even knew there was engine that could push against him. Gladiator could have done that under his own power. Gladiator on panel speed feats that was again SAID is greater then superman. Hell thor is my favorite character but going by on panel feats glads should be able to whip that ass also.

Kmc rules state to use characters to the best of there abilities so with that said glads can go fly 100 times the speed of light with planet destroying, planet moving strength, has the ability to injure and kill indestructible beings, and he has cosmic powers that can shoot from his body, and can basically amp all of the stats that I just named to unknown levels.

carver9
Originally posted by kgkg
Fan of Gladiator huh High five

I got tired of defending him years ago with all the hate KMC had for him

Thats the difference between me and you, I dont give up. If they make the rule and say that a character is fighting to the best of there abilities then gladiator is truly>>superman.

Bentley
Gladiator is a cool character, mad props to every Marvel writer who makes him own characters like Vulcan. And give him the damn respect he deserves!

Avlon
Originally posted by Endrict Nuul
Superman solos

thumb up

smile

guy222
team two

fangirl101
Lighty Ray and Superman are going to be far faster than Sersi is.

Sersi has the advantage of amping and matter manip. Also telepathy that can Push Glads confidence thru the roof.

On the other hand, Light ray can create supersuns. So he could literally make Superman Sun amped Superman in seconds.

carver9
Originally posted by fangirl101
Lighty Ray and Superman are going to be far faster than Sersi is.

Sersi has the advantage of amping and matter manip. Also telepathy that can Push Glads confidence thru the roof.

On the other hand, Light ray can create supersuns. So he could literally make Superman Sun amped Superman in seconds.

So with this sun amp superman could basically be on the level on a regular confindence glads. Well to bad gladiator can amp his already unknown abilities and again, if he dont want to be touched he cant be touched since he has on panel proof proving this. Sersi is the slowest but do you have any ON PANEL proof of anyone on team one fighting at light speed, let alone the speed of sound. When you put up this scan I want you to show me where it say that they were fighting at this tremendous speed.

Glads> anyone on the battle field if we go by on panel feats. A full confidence glads, we dont know where he is at. Again thor is my favorite character and I think that thor is the most powerful then almost any being that has been brought up on the forum but if he was put against gladiator, a well written gladiator then glads should win every damn time.

fangirl101
Lightray pushes takion to the sun in under a minute from the Earth's moon. That would be faster than 8 times the speed of light.

Avlon
Originally posted by carver9
So with this sun amp superman could basically be on the level on a regular confindence glads. Well to bad gladiator can amp his already unknown abilities and again, if he dont want to be touched he cant be touched since he has on panel proof proving this. Sersi is the slowest but do you have any ON PANEL proof of anyone on team one fighting at light speed, let alone the speed of sound. When you put up this scan I want you to show me where it say that they were fighting at this tremendous speed.

Glads> anyone on the battle field if we go by on panel feats. A full confidence glads, we dont know where he is at. Again thor is my favorite character and I think that thor is the most powerful then almost any being that has been brought up on the forum but if he was put against gladiator, a well written gladiator then glads should win every damn time.

On panel Superman can make himself unstoppable by any force in the universe. smile

http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/6607/adventuresofsupermanannjv8.th.jpg

If we go by on panel feats... Superman is still > Gladiator AND on top of that has more powers/abilities.

carver9
Originally posted by Avlon
On panel Superman can make himself unstoppable by any force in the universe. smile

http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/6607/adventuresofsupermanannjv8.th.jpg

If we go by on panel feats... Superman is still > Gladiator AND on top of that has more powers/abilities.

Thats pre crisis superman and on panel feats have gladiator>> superman since superman needed the aid of wonder woman and martian manhunter to move the moon whereas gladiator could have done that under his own power without any struggles.

What speed has superman top speed been quoted at without any outside interference, glads has been 100 times the speed of light, has the speed of light even been quoted for the man of steel yet. Glads has busted a planet open under his own strength, show me something comparable and I know you, youre going to post the zod vs superman fight, I want you to post the entire fight so I can show you why the area around them was being destroyed. Also on panel gladiator has shown cosmic energy leaving his body when he was fighting the surfer, so he is a cosmic entity and didnt I put up a scan where the narrator announce him as s god.

Nova also stated that gladiator isnt just the strongest being on a planet he said that gladiator is one of the strongest beings in the universe, this is also something that was said by professor x, gladiator has no limits. Lets also not forget the fact that gladiator was going to punch cannonball from the earth to the core of the sun, I dont think thats a feat that anyone can duplicate. Glads has broken the band of cyttorak by flexing his muscles, one shotted binary, a high herald and was stated on panel as being surfers equal. Glads has every right to be>> superman.

carver9
Originally posted by fangirl101
Lightray pushes takion to the sun in under a minute from the Earth's moon. That would be faster than 8 times the speed of light.

8 times the speed of light was quoted in that comic, it said nothing more and nothing less.

Red Hulk
Originally posted by carver9
Well if we go by on panel feats then gladiator is one of the most powerful top tiers out there.

The entire xmen combined cant put a scratch on gladiator.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/gladiatorxmen.jpg

Lets not forget that gladiator can move planets out of orbit if he wanted which put him on the high top chain of dc if he was there since that is basically something that only superboy prime has done.
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll222/CapztehLumby/SheHulk70076.jpg
http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/8489/gladpower10ym.jpg

Lets not forget that professor files states that gladiator can do anything when he put his mind to it. It also stated that gladiator powers has no limits. So that could be the reason he pulled this feat off.

"If I dont want to be touched"
http://img128.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1uh8.jpg

Lets not forget that gladiator dont get his powers from the sun but guess what, the guy swammed in a star millions of miles long and didnt have a scratch.
http://img342.imageshack.us/img342/1434/gladiatornuclearinferno2uc.jpg

Has it EVER been SAID (main word,SAID) on panel that superman can go light speed, well on panel it was said about gladiator and guess what gladiator top speed that was SAID on panel, 100 times the speed of light.
http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/7296/hyperspeed11mv.jpg
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/3034/ego067lu.jpg

Theres a nice scan showing superman being called a cosmic being by imperex. Well lets take a look at what the NARRATOR called gladiator.

A damn god.
http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/6690/gladiatorvsplanet24rd.jpg

I love this one. Hyperion has never his entire career been injured except by his own evil persona and then he was half powered. Thor knocked him out by sneeking him but all in all hyperion is completely invulnerable but guess who did the impossible and broke his neck.

http://img457.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gladiatorvshyperion063ae.jpg

Surfer admits that gladiator is his equal and if you look at there fight you'll see cosmic energy coming from both and the narrator also bring it up.

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/2195/gladiatorvssilversurfer029iz.jpg

'Cept when Colossus made him look like he's been through war, and when he was hurt by Gambit.

Not that I don't agree or anything, but he's never moved a planet out of orbit on panel.

So, he wants to be touched every other time?

'-- That drives him to push himself to the limits of even his invulnerability... '
You just contradicted your previous statement.

Both of the scans you used were near lightspeed velocity, and one was an alternate universe.

Why show scans that don't show anything? He's not a God, and everyone knows this.

Hyperion has also never really fought anyone noteworthy either. He's got Hulk I believe (where he was KO'ed due to the sound of a sonic clap, which would technically be hurting him), Thor, and WM. And anyway, Hype has been hurt a lot in his career; no need to make something up to make it even better.
However, since we're into statements... Hyperion was called the strongest man in the universe, so that's pis anyway. Gladiator can't break his neck.

That was also an alternate universe/non-canon...

carver9
Originally posted by Red Hulk
'Cept when Colossus made him look like he's been through war, and when he was hurt by Gambit.

Not that I don't agree or anything, but he's never moved a planet out of orbit on panel.

So, he wants to be touched every other time?

'-- That drives him to push himself to the limits of even his invulnerability... '
You just contradicted your previous statement.

Both of the scans you used were near lightspeed velocity, and one was an alternate universe.

Why show scans that don't show anything? He's not a God, and everyone knows this.

Hyperion has also never really fought anyone noteworthy either. He's got Hulk I believe (where he was KO'ed due to the sound of a sonic clap, which would technically be hurting him), Thor, and WM. And anyway, Hype has been hurt a lot in his career; no need to make something up to make it even better.
However, since we're into statements... Hyperion was called the strongest man in the universe, so that's pis anyway. Gladiator can't break his neck.

That was also an alternate universe/non-canon...

Show me where colossus made him look like he been through war, a nice scan would help and lets not talk about low showing because I promise you that superman low showings is a lot worse then gladiator, batman comes to mind.

Hyperion fought the entire avengers, including thor and stalemated him. Hyperion defeated thor, wonderman and vision. By all means hyperion is a true top tier and I promise you that he could give superman a fight, he might not win but he would give him a challenge. He's everything superman is with a healing factor that makes immortals look like shit.

Show me a scan of hyperion being damaged besides the time he fought his clone. By the way, that hyperion and gladiator fight was cannon.

A nice scan would help showing something stating that hyperion is the strongest in the universe. If we are talking about earth x hyperion, I agree and I also think that he would whip both superman and gladiator ass at the same time.

Why wouldnt you consider gladiator god like when he has on panel proof making him look like one. Swimming through stars, flying in the heart of a solar system destroying blast without even register in. Moving planets under his own power and ripping through planets. On panel proof that he is able to fly 100 times the speed of light, one handing the baxter building. About to punch sam from the earth to the core of the sun; being known as one of the strongest beings in the universe. Stated on panel that if he kept fight supreme they would have destroyed the solar system. Throwing a ship the size of texas at eye blinding speed. Walking through titanium in new xmen like it was aluminum foil. The walls was stated as being unbreachable. Hell, he might not be a god but he is truly above top tier and is pulling of things that high heralds cant even do.

I guess he do wants to be touched since he like to brawl and he has been trained by the best martial artist shiar has to offer. Dont take away his ability because you dont like it. On panel proof>>>>>>your words.

By the way, he did move a planet under his own strength, the scan is on his respect thread. I tried to pull it up but it wouldnt allow me because the scan is old. Its well within his power to do this.



Now show me a scan where its saying that superman blitzed at near light speed, hell show me a scan of him blitzing something at the speed of sound.

The last scans that I seen that quoted superman speed was one where superman stated himself that he cant go the speed of light. Another one was when doctor light stated that he wasnt going close to the speed of light. Another one was when he was racing flash and the only speed that was giving in that race was 2000 mps even though it said that they were accelerating. Another one was when a being was asking superman was he TRYING to go the speed of light. I provided you with on panel proof, do the same for me.

Avlon
Originally posted by carver9
Thats pre crisis superman and on panel feats have gladiator>> superman since superman needed the aid of wonder woman and martian manhunter to move the moon whereas gladiator could have done that under his own power without any struggles.

Umm no..that's post crisis superman. smile
Give credit where it's due.

Originally posted by carver9
What speed has superman top speed been quoted at without any outside interference, glads has been 100 times the speed of light, has the speed of light even been quoted for the man of steel yet.

Are you referring to when Glads got caught in that explosion? You do know even Matrix (who's nowhere near as fast as a kryptonian) has traveled the universe under her own power as well, right?

Originally posted by carver9
Glads has busted a planet open under his own strength, show me something comparable and I know you, youre going to post the zod vs superman fight, I want you to post the entire fight so I can show you why the area around them was being destroyed.

Why even bother with that when Supes has held a black hole in his hand? Last I remember, infinite gravity>>>>planet.

Oh, and the scan that I showed already >>>Glads. Narration itself said so. smile


Originally posted by carver9
Also on panel gladiator has shown cosmic energy leaving his body when he was fighting the surfer, so he is a cosmic entity and didnt I put up a scan where the narrator announce him as s god.

His fight with SS wasn't canon...but I'm sure you know that..right?

LOL... @ Glads being a god.

Originally posted by carver9
Nova also stated that gladiator isnt just the strongest being on a planet he said that gladiator is one of the strongest beings in the universe, this is also something that was said by professor x, gladiator has no limits. Lets also not forget the fact that gladiator was going to punch cannonball from the earth to the core of the sun, I dont think thats a feat that anyone can duplicate. Glads has broken the band of cyttorak by flexing his muscles, one shotted binary, a high herald and was stated on panel as being surfers equal. Glads has every right to be>> superman.

Even Byrne Superman has tossed a mountain from Earth right into the Sun. Where am I supposed to be impressed?

iceman24567
Ehh team 1 wins.

Enyalus
Originally posted by iceman24567
Ehh team 1 wins.

I knew you'd say that, lol.

Mindset
Superman is a Gladiator clone

iceman24567
Originally posted by Enyalus
I knew you'd say that, lol. I knew you would know what i would say biscuits

Avlon
Originally posted by iceman24567
Girl I can't notice but to, notice you, noticing me, from across the room I can see it and can't stop myself from looking and noticing you, noticing me,
Watch out I've seen her type before....

stick out tongue

Bentley
I thought that the black hole wasn't quite a black hole. At least from what I've heard.

The narration of that Superman seemed like hard hyperbole.

kgkg
Originally posted by Bentley
I thought that the black hole wasn't quite a black hole. At least from what I've heard.

The narration of that Superman seemed like hard hyperbole. From what i recall it was a mini blackhole and Gl helped him soon after.

Still a good feat

iceman24567
Originally posted by Avlon
stick out tongue Damn you thats how I approach ladies too you meanie sad

The Great Galen
Originally posted by kgkg
From what i recall it was a mini blackhole and Gl helped him soon after.

Still a good feat

He held it in his hand intially untill GL helped him further, but besies that once a blachole is created it contains the same properties regardless of size....so basically there really isn't such a thing as a smaller blackhole. On that note, blackhole's build hotter temperatures the smaller they are, mini blackholes approach the core of the sun in terms of heat if im not mistaken.

Enyalus
Originally posted by The Great Galen
He held it in his hand intially untill GL helped him further, but besies that once a blachole is created it contains the same properties regardless of size....so basically there really isn't such a thing as a smaller blackhole. On that note, blackhole's build hotter temperatures the smaller they are, mini blackholes approach the core of the sun in terms of heat if im not mistaken.

A few things: One, a miniature black hole has less mass than it's larger versions, meaning that it weighs less. They also only produce heat when they have an accretion disk (matter swirling around the event horizon), which that one didn't have. And the more matter they gather, the hotter the temperatures (so mini black holes would be cooler than massive ones). The gravity is the same in each version, however.

vlaaad12345
From what the story said it was minituarized in size but was still a full gravity black hole or something,also superman wasn't just holding it up he was containing it from reaching full size.

carver9
Black hole feat is very impressive but its not as impressive as people is trying to make it out to be. I can also see wonder woman, martian manhunter, sentry, along with a lot of other mimicing that same feat. Hell I think that sentry could do it better due to his versatility.

Superman XX5
Superman physically holding a block hole is comparable to Sentry containing a cosmic cubes energies.

vlaaad12345
Blackholes give off a measurable power,holding cosmic cubes in his hand that we have no idea how much power it is exerting or if it was even fighting him much at all makes it hard to say either way.

carver9
Originally posted by Superman XX5
Superman physically holding a block hole is comparable to Sentry containing a cosmic cubes energies.

Cube>>>miniature black hole. especially the one that superman was holding.

vlaaad12345
Cube wasnt actively fighting sentry but nice try,lightray makes a sun superman owns team 2 the end.

Red Hulk
Originally posted by carver9
Show me where colossus made him look like he been through war, a nice scan would help and lets not talk about low showing because I promise you that superman low showings is a lot worse then gladiator, batman comes to mind. I'm not bringing up low showings, I'm showing why a statement means nothing... no expression
You brought up something that showed that the X-Men can't scratch Glads, good job dodging.

Anyway, the end result of Glads vs Colossus:
http://img457.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gladiatorvscolossus22vx.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
Hyperion fought the entire avengers, including thor and stalemated him. Hyperion defeated thor, wonderman and vision. By all means hyperion is a true top tier and I promise you that he could give superman a fight, he might not win but he would give him a challenge. He's everything superman is with a healing factor that makes immortals look like shit. When did he do this?
The only time I remember him in a team setting featuring Thor, he was stalemated by Thor when he was double teaming Thor. Another time it took help for him to punch Thor around by taking away Thor's hammer. He's never beaten Thor to my recollection.

If you had some reading comprehension, all I said was that if Hyperion was never damaged like you said he wasn't, then that's because he's never really fought anyone either.

Originally posted by carver9
Show me a scan of hyperion being damaged besides the time he fought his clone. By the way, that hyperion and gladiator fight was cannon. I know the Gladiator vs Hyperion fight was canon... what are you talking about? Unless you're responding to me calling something non-canon, and that was Surfer vs Gladiator.

Do you seriously need this?
Anyway...
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/4741/thingvshyperion2th8.jpg

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd202/Genis101/HyperionvsThor1.jpg

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd202/Genis101/HyperionHulkvsOvermind1.jpg

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd202/Genis101/Hyperionhealing1.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd202/Genis101/Hyperionhealing2.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Avengersv306-14.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Thor_280-04.jpg

Etc.

Originally posted by carver9
A nice scan would help showing something stating that hyperion is the strongest in the universe. If we are talking about earth x hyperion, I agree and I also think that he would whip both superman and gladiator ass at the same time.
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll222/CapztehLumby/SquadronSupreme01-01.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
Why wouldnt you consider gladiator god like when he has on panel proof making him look like one. Swimming through stars, flying in the heart of a solar system destroying blast without even register in. Moving planets under his own power and ripping through planets. On panel proof that he is able to fly 100 times the speed of light, one handing the baxter building. About to punch sam from the earth to the core of the sun; being known as one of the strongest beings in the universe. Stated on panel that if he kept fight supreme they would have destroyed the solar system. Throwing a ship the size of texas at eye blinding speed. Walking through titanium in new xmen like it was aluminum foil. The walls was stated as being unbreachable. Hell, he might not be a god but he is truly above top tier and is pulling of things that high heralds cant even do. Because he's a top tier... no expression

Jesus...

Originally posted by carver9
I guess he do wants to be touched since he like to brawl and he has been trained by the best martial artist shiar has to offer. Dont take away his ability because you dont like it. On panel proof>>>>>>your words. Wow, so you think he wants to be knocked out, have his arm broken, etc, etc?
I'm not taking away his ability, since it's not an ability at all, just Glads hyping himself up.

Originally posted by carver9
By the way, he did move a planet under his own strength, the scan is on his respect thread. I tried to pull it up but it wouldnt allow me because the scan is old. Its well within his power to do this. I've never seen it, so since you won't take my word for anything, prove it.



Originally posted by carver9
Now show me a scan where its saying that superman blitzed at near light speed, hell show me a scan of him blitzing something at the speed of sound.

The last scans that I seen that quoted superman speed was one where superman stated himself that he cant go the speed of light. Another one was when doctor light stated that he wasnt going close to the speed of light. Another one was when he was racing flash and the only speed that was giving in that race was 2000 mps even though it said that they were accelerating. Another one was when a being was asking superman was he TRYING to go the speed of light. I provided you with on panel proof, do the same for me. I'm not trying to prove that Superman can blitz at this speed, I'm just finding it funny how you use scans of him bullrushing at near lightspeed velocity, when you tell how much faster he is than light.

I know he's faster than light by the way before you start.

carver9
If you're bringing up colossus dong anything to gladiator that is considered a low showing, which almost every character in marvel or dc have.

I asked you to show me a scan of someone damaging hyperion, you only show me a scan of people punching him. I know that people can punch him but noone did any damage.

Then you put up a scan of a being that can basically cut through any substance in existence, including hyperion, basically a magical based being. Like I said before, gladiator was the only being to damage/break something on hyperion.



Since you're comparing superman to glads, I want you to show me superman blitzing someone at near light, hell, at the speed of sound. It shouldnt be hard since he is glads equal and he has blitzed at the speed of light before. When you put up this scan I want to see it say that he blitzed at such and such speed inistead of using these panels multiplied by distance crap.



the same can be said about supes, you all say that he has all of this speed but on panel he get hit by bricks and this has been going on his entire career.



Well it wasnt just gladiator that said this about himself, professor x also said that gladiator has the ability to do anything when he put his mind to it.

The Great Galen
Originally posted by Enyalus
A few things: One, a miniature black hole has less mass than it's larger versions, meaning that it weighs less. They also only produce heat when they have an accretion disk (matter swirling around the event horizon), which that one didn't have. And the more matter they gather, the hotter the temperatures (so mini black holes would be cooler than massive ones). The gravity is the same in each version, however.

To correct you, most experts agree blackholes havd identical properties regardless of size and it's already been proven that the smaller a blackhole is the hotter it is...its not something thats really refutable.

Red Hulk
Originally posted by carver9
If you're bringing up colossus dong anything to gladiator that is considered a low showing, which almost every character in marvel or dc have. How soon we forget things we don't like...

"The entire xmen combined cant put a scratch on gladiator.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/gladiatorxmen.jpg"

That's what you put, and I'm responding to it, and it means shit.

Originally posted by carver9
I asked you to show me a scan of someone damaging hyperion, you only show me a scan of people punching him. I know that people can punch him but noone did any damage. In every scan Hyperion was damaged/hurt. In one he said he was almost killed.
He's not invunerable, he just hasn't faced that many people, and it's not the feat you made it out to be (IE Hyperion never being hurt before). A good feat no doubt, but a good feat being masked to be something better.

Originally posted by carver9
Then you put up a scan of a being that can basically cut through any substance in existence, including hyperion, basically a magical based being. Like I said before, gladiator was the only being to damage/break something on hyperion. Gladiator was really the only person to have an extended fight with Hyperion as well. Why the hell wouldn't he be the only one to accomplish this?



Originally posted by carver9
Since you're comparing superman to glads, I want you to show me superman blitzing someone at near light, hell, at the speed of sound. It shouldnt be hard since he is glads equal and he has blitzed at the speed of light before. When you put up this scan I want to see it say that he blitzed at such and such speed inistead of using these panels multiplied by distance crap. I don't believe I did compare Supes to Glads though.

Besides, what does the speed of a blitz matter, when it's painfully obvious that both combatants will be able to hit one another (if we judge character history)? Supes does it better, Glads does it faster. Glads has been hit while doing his blitzes (by lesser beings than Superman), and Superman isn't fast enough to be unhittable by Glads.

What it boils down to, is other factors entirely. I don't know what you think this does though.



Originally posted by carver9
the same can be said about supes, you all say that he has all of this speed but on panel he get hit by bricks and this has been going on his entire career. Uh-huh... except you just said that:
"I guess he do wants to be touched since he like to brawl and he has been trained by the best martial artist shiar has to offer. Dont take away his ability because you dont like it. On panel proof>>>>>>your words. "

Which was taken from here:
""If I dont want to be touched"
http://img128.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1uh8.jpg"

And your response would indicate that everytime Gladiator gets hurt/KO'ed, he actually wants that to happen.
Nowhere was combat speed brought up, in fact, that's just you trying to disorient me, or are very confused about what your scans actually mean.


Originally posted by carver9
Well it wasnt just gladiator that said this about himself, professor x also said that gladiator has the ability to do anything when he put his mind to it. Ya well, that's not true either, so why bring it up? Or else he wouldn't have had his arm broken recently, and would have punched Galactus straight off the planet. He's a highly powerful being, but let's try to assert statements to make him look invincible.

Mindset
Originally posted by The Great Galen
To correct you, most experts agree blackholes havd identical properties regardless of size and it's already been proven that the smaller a blackhole is the hotter it is...its not something thats really refutable. Really, because I believe I heard the massive black holes in the middle of most galaxies are the strongest.

These black holes are billions of times the mass of our sun, while other smaller ones are about 10x.

Sauce: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7573364.stm

Where did you read what you said?

The Great Galen
Originally posted by Mindset
Really, because I believe I heard the massive black holes in the middle of most galaxies are the strongest.

These black holes are billions of times the mass of our sun, while other smaller ones are about 10x.

Sauce: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7573364.stm

Where did you read what you said?

Im not doubting power, I said they have similar properties so technically there power is similar regardless of size.

The Great Galen
Originally posted by Red Hulk
Besides, what does the speed of a blitz matter, when it's painfully obvious that both combatants will be able to hit one another (if we judge character history)? Supes does it better, Glads does it faster. Glads has been hit while doing his blitzes (by lesser beings than Superman), and Superman isn't fast enough to be unhittable by Glads.

Personally, I consider Supes h2h speed vastly above anything Glads has done so I would argue glads shoudlnt be able to hit Supes unless clark decides to brawl it.

Mindset
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Im not doubting power, I said they have similar properties so technically there power is similar regardless of size. So like a 10 pound weight is similar to a 100 pound weight?

Red Hulk
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Personally, I consider Supes h2h speed vastly above anything Glads has done so I would argue glads shoudlnt be able to hit Supes unless clark decides to brawl it. Of course you would, that's why no one asked you.

Enyalus
Red, the scan with Hyperion being the 'strongest in the known universe' thing...The Supreme Power universe is in a non 616 universe, right?

The Great Galen
Originally posted by Red Hulk
Of course you would, that's why no one asked you.

Well I know it isnt standard practice here to go by on-panel feats but if we break the mold and do it....well maybe u would have some actual insight for once smile

fangirl101
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Personally, I consider Supes h2h speed vastly above anything Glads has done so I would argue glads shoudlnt be able to hit Supes unless clark decides to brawl it.
Hell no. Gladiator can keep up with Superman in hand to hand speed. Seriously. And even tho He's probably a lil bit under Superman in raw power, he's a far better fighter than Superman. And easily as durable.

carver9
Good post, very good post, dont know where to start.



Where did it say that it was colossus that put the scratch on him, it could have been all those thousands of tons that fell on top of them that did it.



Do you know what the word damage means, hurt and damage are two different things. I can be hurting but not have a scratch on me from a punch. In none of those scans that you showed, hyperion had no damage at all except the one where he gets cut but hell, I dont know a being that could withstand those blades.



Thor has fought hyperion on too many of occasions, hulk fought hyperion along with wonderman and he never had a scratch on him. I agree, hes not invulnerable but he is close as hell.



I agree with this statement and I dont have anything to say behind it but I would love for you to show me a scan of superman blitzing at the speed of sound or the speed of light; your chose.



Again, gladiator is a brawler and he dont mind getting dirty. I just think that was something that he did because he had to do it, hell vulcan almost killed the entire shiar empire.



How did galactus get into this. Champion had unlimited strength when he possessed the power gem. Do you think that he can punch galactus off of a planet. I never said that he was the most powerful being in the universe, the only thing that I put up was on panel proof saying that he's one of the strongest beings in the universe and the narrator saying that he is a god. Dont argue with me, fuss with marvel.

Enyalus
Originally posted by fangirl101
Hell no. Gladiator can keep up with Superman in hand to hand speed. Seriously. And even tho He's probably a lil bit under Superman in raw power, he's a far better fighter than Superman. And easily as durable.

thumb up

Red Hulk
Originally posted by Enyalus
Red, the scan with Hyperion being the 'strongest in the known universe' thing...The Supreme Power universe is in a non 616 universe, right? I think he was in 616, but if he wasn't, then I don't care.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Well I know it isnt standard practice here to go by on-panel feats but if we break the mold and do it....well maybe u would have some actual insight for once smile The problem is that there's no on-panel feats to compare the two... but there is comparable feats from Gladiator that have him doing the same thing as Supes.

So really, I have no idea what you're talking about.

Enyalus
Originally posted by Red Hulk
The problem is that there's no on-panel feats to compare the two... but there is comparable feats from Gladiator that have him doing the same thing as Supes.

So really, I have no idea what you're talking about.

Also - Gladiator has blitzed Thor. wink Superman didn't.

Avlon
Originally posted by carver9
Since you're comparing superman to glads, I want you to show me superman blitzing someone at near light, hell, at the speed of sound.

Supes has performed tons of complex actions at ridiculous speeds as an average thing. From flying, to running, rebuilding cities in seconds, changing outfits, sealing space ruptures, etc. However, here's what you asked for:

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/734/sonicspeedcg9.th.jpghttp://img72.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif

Not only is he fighting faster than sound, (creating sonic booms as a result) he's also fighting in H2H martial arts. smile

Originally posted by fangirl101
he's a far better fighter than Superman. And easily as durable.

Glads knows MA and pressure point techniques? Supes highly outclasses Kallark in straight up fighting.

carver9
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Personally, I consider Supes h2h speed vastly above anything Glads has done so I would argue glads shoudlnt be able to hit Supes unless clark decides to brawl it.

Now this is hilarious. Would you like for me to post some scans of gladiator hand speed. You cant compare the two because we honestly dont know how fast his hands is going but we do have on panel proof that glads can blitz at a speed that we have yet to see in a superman comic yet. Superman has some amazing space flight speed but you have no kind of proof suggesting that superman can even blitz past the speed of sound. If you do, I'll be waiting.

fangirl101
Originally posted by carver9
Now this is hilarious. Would you like for me to post some scans of gladiator hand speed. You cant compare the two because we honestly dont know how fast his hands is going but we do have on panel proof that glads can blitz at a speed that we have yet to see in a superman comic yet. Superman has some amazing space flight speed but you have no kind of proof suggesting that superman can even blitz past the speed of sound. If you do, I'll be waiting.
Superman took wonder Woman to the surface of the son in a few seconds. that is more than 80 times the speed of light.

carver9
Originally posted by Avlon
Supes has performed tons of complex actions at ridiculous speeds as an average thing. From flying, to running, rebuilding cities in seconds, changing outfits, sealing space ruptures, etc. However, here's what you asked for:

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/734/sonicspeedcg9.th.jpghttp://img72.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif

Not only is he fighting faster than sound, (creating sonic booms as a result) he's also fighting in H2H martial arts. smile

Now since you put that up ( I love that comic and battle and I honestly knew that you was going to put that up thats why I said past the speed of sound) show me superman blitzing at the speed of light, something gladiator has done twice.

vlaaad12345
Lightray makes a sun for superman,gladiator isn't beating a superman directly under a sun the end.

carver9
Originally posted by fangirl101
Superman took wonder Woman to the surface of the son in a few seconds. that is more than 80 times the speed of light.

Who said anything about 80 times light, gladiator flew 100 times the speed of light and where in there fight did it say that it took seconds to fly from the sun and back to earth. I know that max lord said but think about this, max lord seen the entire fight and if the computer slowed the fight down for him then he wouldnt have got the chance to see it all because superman and wonder woman would have been there before he even got the chance to see the entire video. So can you please explain to me how max lord who has human reaction speed and reflexes can see a fight with beings that is/was going the speed of light.

fangirl101
Originally posted by carver9
Who said anything about 80 times light, gladiator flew 100 times the speed of light and where in there fight did it say that it took seconds to fly from the sun and back to earth. I know that max lord said but think about this, max lord seen the entire fight and if the computer slowed the fight down for him then he wouldnt have got the chance to see it all because superman and wonder woman would have been there before he even got the chance to see the entire video. So can you please explain to me how max lord who has human reaction speed and reflexes can see a fight with beings that is/was going the speed of light.
max lord was in superman's head. So he would be seeing everything from Superman's perspective. Duh. The fight was less than 2 minutes. And they did far more than go to and back from the sun. So He did blitz her at more than 80 times the speed of light.

carver9
Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Lightray makes a sun for superman,gladiator isn't beating a superman directly under a sun the end.

Well gladiator can amp his already unknown strength and again he did move planets under his own strength and crushed planets and lets not forget that superman needed help to move the moon and he also needed help to move earth. So answer this for me, since superman moved only 1/3 of the earth and was still struggling, with his sun amp how much of the earth do you think that he can move by himself, or do you think that he would need help. What level of strength does the sun amp increase him to, planet moving level and if thats a yes then the 1st thing that you would have to do is provide proof and then if that is a yes, gladiator base strength is already at that level without his confidence amp.

Enyalus
So, what's stopping Sersi from turning Lightray's sun red?

fangirl101
Originally posted by carver9
Well gladiator can amp his already unknown strength and again he did move planets under his own strength and crushed planets and lets not forget that superman needed help to move the moon and he also needed help to move earth. So answer this for me, since superman moved only 1/3 of the earth and was still struggling, with his sun amp how much of the earth do you think that he can move by himself, or do you think that he would need help. What level of strength does the sun amp increase him to, planet moving level and if thats a yes then the 1st thing that you would have to do is provide proof and then if that is a yes, gladiator base strength is already at that level without his confidence amp.
Incorrect. They were holding the earth's orbit. Do you know how much power that takes? The entire Solar system holds the earth's orbit in place. Every heavenly body effects every other one.

Avlon
Originally posted by carver9
Now since you put that up ( I love that comic and battle and I honestly knew that you was going to put that up thats why I said past the speed of sound)

If you claim that you knew it, why have you insisted that Superman can't? huh

Originally posted by carver9
show me superman blitzing at the speed of light, something gladiator has done twice.

Has Glads ever done this in a canon comic? Where are the examples?

Enyalus
Originally posted by fangirl101
Incorrect. They were holding the earth's orbit. Do you know how much power that takes? The entire Solar system holds the earth's orbit in place. Every heavenly body effects every other one.

Aw, come on. The sun holds Earth in orbit. Gravity has an effect on every heavenly body.

The Great Galen
Originally posted by fangirl101
Hell no. Gladiator can keep up with Superman in hand to hand speed. Seriously. And even tho He's probably a lil bit under Superman in raw power, he's a far better fighter than Superman. And easily as durable.

So glads has actual superspeed h2h?

carver9
Originally posted by fangirl101
max lord was in superman's head. So he would be seeing everything from Superman's perspective. Duh. The fight was less than 2 minutes. And they did far more than go to and back from the sun. So He did blitz her at more than 80 times the speed of light.

Max lord was looking at the entire fight on screen. Read the comic again, he wasnt in superman head looking at the fight and 100 times the speed of light, hell 80 times the speed of light would make it to the sun and back in less time it would take for you to say light. Do you honestly know how fast that is.

Then since we are bringing up gladiator feats how about him being in the middle of a solar system destroying blast and not even feeling it or possessing any kind of damage. He flew out of it like it wasnt even there.

fangirl101
Originally posted by Enyalus
So, what's stopping Sersi from turning Lightray's sun red?
Sersi is a top matter manipulator. Not a top energy manipulator. Her best bet would be to use her telepathy to boost Glad's confidence so that he believes he is invincible.

carver9
Originally posted by fangirl101
Incorrect. They were holding the earth's orbit. Do you know how much power that takes? The entire Solar system holds the earth's orbit in place. Every heavenly body effects every other one.

explain the moon.

fangirl101
Originally posted by Enyalus
Aw, come on. The sun holds Earth in orbit. Gravity has an effect on every heavenly body.
No. Every body in the solar system effects every other body. And that is how we get the orbits of every thing in our system being sustained.

Enyalus
Originally posted by fangirl101
Sersi is a top matter manipulator. Not a top energy manipulator. Her best bet would be to use her telepathy to boost Glad's confidence so that he believes he is invincible.

Mmkay - what's stopping her from turning Lightray into a frog, before that? Ala Thor.

fangirl101
Originally posted by carver9
Max lord was looking at the entire fight on screen. Read the comic again, he wasnt in superman head looking at the fight and 100 times the speed of light, hell 80 times the speed of light would make it to the sun and back in less time it would take for you to say light. Do you honestly know how fast that is.

Then since we are bringing up gladiator feats how about him being in the middle of a solar system destroying blast and not even feeling it or possessing any kind of damage. He flew out of it like it wasnt even there.
I've never put glads down in this fight. So don't tell me about his feats. And the fight was still less than two minutes. It takes light 8 minutes to reach earth from the sun. They went there and back in a few seconds. So he blitzed her at more than 80 times the speed of light. maybe faster if I sit down and do the math.

The Great Galen
Originally posted by carver9
Now this is hilarious. Would you like for me to post some scans of gladiator hand speed. You cant compare the two because we honestly dont know how fast his hands is going but we do have on panel proof that glads can blitz at a speed that we have yet to see in a superman comic yet. Superman has some amazing space flight speed but you have no kind of proof suggesting that superman can even blitz past the speed of sound. If you do, I'll be waiting.

Supes attacking fast enough to cause sonic booms, preasure point striking at superspeed and even parrying at superspeed...glads had done what?

Enyalus
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Supes attacking fast enough to cause sonic booms, preasure point striking at superspeed and even parrying at superspeed...glads had done what?

Dude, look in the respect thread at the very least. He's shown with basically 20 different arms at one point, punching WonderMan into the Earth's core.

carver9
Originally posted by The Great Galen
So glads has actual superspeed h2h?

http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/4397/gladpower26gw.jpg

Rap cannonball up before cannonball even realize whats going on.

http://img465.imageshack.us/img465/8432/gladiatorvscannonball41tu.jpg


and actually moving/doing work at hyper speed
http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/8744/gladiatorf4speed24et.jpg

fangirl101
Originally posted by Enyalus
Mmkay - what's stopping her from turning Lightray into a frog, before that? Ala Thor.
Besides the Fact that Lightray is far far faster than her or Thor?

The Great Galen
Originally posted by carver9
Well gladiator can amp his already unknown strength and again he did move planets under his own strength and crushed planets and lets not forget that superman needed help to move the moon and he also needed help to move earth. So answer this for me, since superman moved only 1/3 of the earth and was still struggling, with his sun amp how much of the earth do you think that he can move by himself, or do you think that he would need help. What level of strength does the sun amp increase him to, planet moving level and if thats a yes then the 1st thing that you would have to do is provide proof and then if that is a yes, gladiator base strength is already at that level without his confidence amp.

Current Supes has actually been depicted a moon mover, and I believe there r feats with him doing so without any intervention. Besides that Supes moved a solar system sized object and was even statted as being able to move"the planet earth".

carver9
Originally posted by Avlon
If you claim that you knew it, why have you insisted that Superman can't? huh



Has Glads ever done this in a canon comic? Where are the examples?

I know superman can go the speed of sound thats why I said "faster".

and here ya go.

http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/7296/hyperspeed11mv.jpg

Enyalus
Originally posted by fangirl101
Besides the Fact that Lightray is far far faster than her or Thor?

Please don't suggest the vaunted DC speedblitz. sad

The Great Galen
Originally posted by carver9
http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/4397/gladpower26gw.jpg

Rap cannonball up before cannonball even realize whats going on.

http://img465.imageshack.us/img465/8432/gladiatorvscannonball41tu.jpg


and actually moving/doing work at hyper speed
http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/8744/gladiatorf4speed24et.jpg

Glads was striking invisably fast agaisnt Reed of all people, still shows he can attack as superspeed but is it at sonic speed?

The Great Galen
Originally posted by carver9
I know superman can go the speed of sound thats why I said "faster".

and here ya go.

http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/7296/hyperspeed11mv.jpg

So exactly what are u trying to say...r u suggesting Supes isnt FTL?

carver9
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Current Supes has actually been depicted a moon mover, and I believe there r feats with him doing so without any intervention. Besides that Supes moved a solar system sized object and was even statted as being able to move"the planet earth".

Do you mean the solar system that had planets the size of small stores. I agree that was a nice feat due to the fact that he wasnt burned alive due to that sun not giving off the same kind of energy as the yellow sun buuuuuuut thats about it.

Show me where it say that superman can move a moon. On panel show him needing the aid of his friends and he was still struggling.

Avlon
Originally posted by carver9
I know superman can go the speed of sound thats why I said "faster".

and here ya go.

http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/7296/hyperspeed11mv.jpg

He flew at the ground at near light speed....that isn't a blitz. Even Matrix can do that. If you want speed...here you go.

2 different cities at once and performing completely different actions in each.

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/4684/c16tj9.th.jpghttp://img72.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif

The Great Galen
Originally posted by carver9
Do you mean the solar system that had planets the size of small stores. I agree that was a nice feat due to the fact that he wasnt burned alive due to that sun not giving off the same kind of energy as the yellow sun buuuuuuut thats about it.

Show me where it say that superman can move a moon. On panel show him needing the aid of his friends and he was still struggling.

So where is the scan of glads moving a planet?

carver9
Originally posted by The Great Galen
So exactly what are u trying to say...r u suggesting Supes isnt FTL?

In space where there is no gravity, almost all heros/villains has a amazing speed feat. His earth feats is the question, a place where there is gravity. We have one comic where superman admitted that he cant go the speed of light and needed to steal speed from the flash (that was years ago though). Then we have wonder woman recently in jla/ amazo saying that it would take superman minutes to fly 22000 miles which light would be instantly. Going by panels, yes superman can go the speed of light, going by the narrator and words out of heros/villians including superman himself, then no, he cant go the speed of light.

carver9
Originally posted by Avlon
He flew at the ground at near light speed....that isn't a blitz. Even Matrix can do that.

Matrix isnt in this argument, I asked you to show me superman or wonder woman doing it. I'm not trying to get smart or anything but that would lead us off of topic.

The Great Galen
Originally posted by carver9
In space where there is no gravity, almost all heros/villains has a amazing speed feat. His earth feats is the question, a place where there is gravity. We have one comic where superman admitted that he cant go the speed of light and needed to steal speed from the flash (that was years ago though). Then we have wonder woman recently in jla/ amazo saying that it would take superman minutes to fly 22000 miles which light would be instantly. Going by panels, yes superman can go the speed of light, going by the narrator and words out of heros/villians including superman himself, then no, he cant go the speed of light.

LMAO, supes said he intentionally flies at low speeds so he won't dmage the earth's atmosphere....besides he has vibrated intagible which requires light speed to do lol.

carver9
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Glads was striking invisably fast agaisnt Reed of all people, still shows he can attack as superspeed but is it at sonic speed?

You asked for fast hand movements, I gave it to you. I dont know how fast he was going but hey, I'll let you guess that. I know that I have shown proof that he can go light speed in a blitz.

The Great Galen
Originally posted by carver9
Matrix isnt in this argument, I asked you to show me superman or wonder woman doing it. I'm not trying to get smart or anything but that would lead us off of topic.

So ur asking for a scan where supes bullrushes at light speed on earth?

Avlon
Originally posted by carver9
Matrix isnt in this argument, I asked you to show me superman or wonder woman doing it. I'm not trying to get smart or anything but that would lead us off of topic.

Check the post again. I had edited it.

And your argument doesn't make sense here. Matrix is nowhere near as fast as a native kryptonian and yet she can do the same thing Gladiator can. Flying across Galaxies at FTL speeds is something herald level characters should be doing natively anyway.

carver9
Originally posted by The Great Galen
LMAO, supes said he intentionally flies at low speeds so he won't dmage the earth's atmosphere....besides he has vibrated intagible which requires light speed to do lol.

That dont require light speed and I'm not saying that youre lying but I have been looking for that scan for years about him doing that, can you show me so I can prove to my roommate that comic superman>smallville superman.

The Great Galen
Originally posted by carver9
You asked for fast hand movements, I gave it to you. I dont know how fast he was going but hey, I'll let you guess that. I know that I have shown proof that he can go light speed in a blitz.

No you havnt, u showed him bullrushing at high speeds but u havnt shown H2H speed thats comparable to supes fighting at super sonic speed.

carver9
Originally posted by The Great Galen
So ur asking for a scan where supes bullrushes at light speed on earth?

that would be nice.

The Great Galen
Originally posted by carver9
That dont require light speed and I'm not saying that youre lying but I have been looking for that scan for years about him doing that, can you show me so I can prove to my roommate that comic superman>smallville superman.

Flash stated it would require LS for a human sized object to become intangible in the earths atmosphere...so theres on-panel and then theres ur claim.

The Great Galen
Originally posted by carver9
that would be nice.

There isn't, he intentionally holds off that speed because he would destroy the planet.

Avlon
Carvers scan is easily topped by the scan of Superman busting a moon in half. Supes gets to Saturn at FTL speed and busts a moon in half.

carver9
Originally posted by Avlon
Check the post again. I had edited it.

And your argument doesn't make sense here. Matrix is nowhere near as fast as a native kryptonian and yet she can do the same thing Gladiator can. Flying across Galaxies at FTL speeds is something herald level characters should be doing natively anyway.

I have a question for you avlon, honestly, even though I disagree with you a lot you are one of the best debators on the forum and when there is proof needed you always back it up with a scan.

My question is: what is your definition of a herald. What I mean is, not using non of galactus heralds, what reasons are there that you would name a character to be low herald level, middle, or high herald.

fangirl101
Originally posted by carver9
Matrix isnt in this argument, I asked you to show me superman or wonder woman doing it. I'm not trying to get smart or anything but that would lead us off of topic.
What are you talking about?

Superman Flew Wonder Woman to the sun in seconds? That is like far faster than light.

And Wonder Woman has Moved at FTL speed.

When she was blocking the shattered god's attack and when she entered the speedforce.

The Great Galen
B4 AV awnsers that, I just want to make sure caver isnt going to suggest Supes is only meta..otherwise this debate is over.

carver9
Originally posted by fangirl101
What are you talking about?

Superman Flew Wonder Woman to the sun in seconds? That is like far faster than light.

And Wonder Woman has Moved at FTL speed.

When she was blocking the shattered god's attack and when she entered the speedforce.

Read my post on the previous page and it should answer this question.

Avlon
Originally posted by carver9
I have a question for you avlon, honestly, even though I disagree with you a lot you are one of the best debators on the forum and when there is proof needed you always back it up with a scan.

My question is: what is your definition of a herald. What I mean is, not using non of galactus heralds, what reasons are there that you would name a character to be low herald level, middle, or high herald.

Gracias.

Honestly, It depends on the character. Terrax or low end GL's are what I would start the herald levelers for different reasons.

Mid and high is more of a who's beaten who type of thing.

carver9
Originally posted by Avlon
Gracias.

Honestly, It depends on the character. Terrax or low end GL's are what I would start the herald levelers for different reasons.

Mid and high is more of a who's beaten who type of thing.

So you base mid and high heralds off of who a character beat or versatility because if thats the case vision should be high herald since he stalemated surfer. Terrax should be high herald also since he beat morg on panel and stalemated him during the tyrant battle.

The next step above high herald is skyfather, so is thanos a skyfather level being since he basically walk through high heralds or is high herald level character based off of versatility and power. big grin

If we go by who people beat then hulk is a high herald easily.

fangirl101
Originally posted by carver9
Read my post on the previous page and it should answer this question.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=495714&pagenumber=2

Look in highlights of fights and skills near the bottom. Superman clearly blitzes Wonder Woman to very close to the surface of the sun in seconds.

fangirl101
Originally posted by carver9
So you base mid and high heralds off of who a character beat or versatility because if thats the case vision should be high herald since he stalemated surfer. Terrax should be high herald also since he beat morg on panel and stalemated him during the tyrant battle.

The next step above high herald is skyfather, so is thanos a skyfather level being since he basically walk through high heralds or is high herald level character based off of versatility and power. big grin

If we go by who people beat then hulk is a high herald easily.
There are characters under skyfather. They are called Trans tier.

carver9
Originally posted by fangirl101
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=495714&pagenumber=2

Look in highlights of fights and skills near the bottom. Superman clearly blitzes Wonder Woman to very close to the surface of the sun in seconds.

Good job on the wonder woman thread, that look a lot better then the previous one.


It never showed how fast they got there and a lot was going on during the time they were flying there.

A question I ask again, how did max lord who has human reflexes see a fight at the speed of light from the beginning to the end. Its just that simple, your only answer for his is that max lord has super speed and then you have to prove that.

carver9
Originally posted by fangirl101
There are characters under skyfather. They are called Trans tier.

I didnt know that, thanks for the info. Do you think that hulk, juggernaut, etc... are high heralds since they have basically defeated high herald level beings.

fangirl101
Originally posted by carver9
Good job on the wonder woman thread, that look a lot better then the previous one.


It never showed how fast they got there and a lot was going on during the time they were flying there.

A question I ask again, how did max lord who has human reflexes see a fight at the speed of light from the beginning to the end. Its just that simple, your only answer for his is that max lord has super speed and then you have to prove that.
Max is a telepath. Telepath's are notorious for seeing stuff thru other's eyes. And their fight was under two minutes. And Wonder Woman talks about how she blinks out. Superman was right on top of her. They had to be moving far far faster than light speed in order for the battle to be under two minutes. She even calls on birds,(which takes time because they don't move at superspeed). He's injured and has to get up. among other things happening. And thanks. I tried to just organize the thread more.

Red Hulk
Originally posted by carver9
Where did it say that it was colossus that put the scratch on him, it could have been all those thousands of tons that fell on top of them that did it. That's almost worse...

Besides, that's why I also said Gambit.



Originally posted by carver9
Do you know what the word damage means, hurt and damage are two different things. I can be hurting but not have a scratch on me from a punch. In none of those scans that you showed, hyperion had no damage at all except the one where he gets cut but hell, I dont know a being that could withstand those blades. If you were hurting, then you'd be damaged... if I was damaged, then I'd usually be hurt.



Originally posted by carver9
Thor has fought hyperion on too many of occasions, hulk fought hyperion along with wonderman and he never had a scratch on him. I agree, hes not invulnerable but he is close as hell.
Extended fights.
Thor fought Hyperion on one extended fight, and the rest were tiny fights.
Hulk KO'ed him... possibly twice.
Wonderman if we use the comparisons verses Hyperion did terrible. When he was ionic form, he did pretty good though.


Originally posted by carver9
I agree with this statement and I dont have anything to say behind it but I would love for you to show me a scan of superman blitzing at the speed of sound or the speed of light; your chose. I never said I'd do either, or even hinted at Supes being capable of so.

Although, he did blitz Ultraman and friends in Trinity at at least the speed sound (sonic boom).



Originally posted by carver9
Again, gladiator is a brawler and he dont mind getting dirty. I just think that was something that he did because he had to do it, hell vulcan almost killed the entire shiar empire. Or it was because he was way too powerful for Vulcan...



Originally posted by carver9
How did galactus get into this. Champion had unlimited strength when he possessed the power gem. Do you think that he can punch galactus off of a planet. I never said that he was the most powerful being in the universe, the only thing that I put up was on panel proof saying that he's one of the strongest beings in the universe and the narrator saying that he is a god. Dont argue with me, fuss with marvel. Because you brought up people thinking he could do anything, when he obviously can't. Hyperbole, no need to try and back it up.

I'm arguing with you, because you think it's some sort of proof. You brought it up, so yes, it is you.

carver9
Originally posted by fangirl101
Max is a telepath. Telepath's are notorious for seeing stuff thru other's eyes. And their fight was under two minutes. And Wonder Woman talks about how she blinks out. Superman was right on top of her. They had to be moving far far faster than light speed in order for the battle to be under two minutes. She even calls on birds,(which takes time because they don't move at superspeed). He's injured and has to get up. among other things happening. And thanks. I tried to just organize the thread more.

So the birds move at super speed to huh and again max lord was looking at this on a monitor, there was no telepathy involved. Please show me where you are getting this from.


With the way you got that respect thread set up with wonder woman, its making her look like one of the most powerful top tiers out there. Some of the things that you posted I never seen. Wonder woman is a beast and she IS one of the strongest in dc.

fangirl101
Originally posted by carver9
So the birds move at super speed to huh and again max lord was looking at this on a monitor, there was no telepathy involved. Please show me where you are getting this from.


With the way you got that respect thread set up with wonder woman, its making her look like one of the most powerful top tiers out there. Some of the things that you posted I never seen. Wonder woman is a beast and she IS one of the strongest in dc.
No. I'm saying that once Superman was injured, the birds moved in at their regular speed. So all things considered, when they were fighting, they had to be fighting at superspeeds. If you factor in the birds, that should have taken at least 30-45 seconds for them all to gather in front of supers. He took a couple of seconds to get up after she kicked him. There is no way they could have been doing anything other than fighting at Superspeeds with the trip to the sun and back.

iceman24567
Well im glad somebody is going at it with craver he is really trying though but nah i don't really feel like doing any damage in this thread team one wins bye to this thread forever.

carver9
Originally posted by fangirl101
No. I'm saying that once Superman was injured, the birds moved in at their regular speed. So all things considered, when they were fighting, they had to be fighting at superspeeds. If you factor in the birds, that should have taken at least 30-45 seconds for them all to gather in front of supers. He took a couple of seconds to get up after she kicked him. There is no way they could have been doing anything other than fighting at Superspeeds with the trip to the sun and back.

The first thing Im going to ask is that if they were fighting in light speed what happened to the debris from this rock that he crushed. If they was moving at the speed of light then the debris from the rocks would still be in the air sitting there.

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1230187_job79wa/

2nd thing that I want to know is that, we have wonder woman kicking superman down and then having bird attack him. She then fly off to get max lord. Why did it take superman so long to get there. Going the speed of light it would have taken him mere seconds to get to max lords castle.

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1230192_job131ps/

carver9
Originally posted by iceman24567
Well im glad somebody is going at it with craver he is really trying though but nah i don't really feel like doing any damage in this thread team one wins bye to this thread forever.

Join the party, I dont mind.

fangirl101
Originally posted by carver9
The first thing Im going to ask is that if they were fighting in light speed what happened to the debris from this rock that he crushed. If they was moving at the speed of light then the debris from the rocks would still be in the air sitting there.

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1230187_job79wa/

2nd thing that I want to know is that, we have wonder woman kicking superman down and then having bird attack him. She then fly off to get max lord. Why did it take superman so long to get there. Going the speed of light it would have taken him mere seconds to get to max lords castle.

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1230192_job131ps/
They weren't fighting at the speed of light on earth. that would have destroyed the atmosphere. Superman thought he was fighting doosmday. so he still would be careful of the regular people. The light speed part of the fight lasted in outer space going and coming back to earth.

carver9
Originally posted by fangirl101
They weren't fighting at the speed of light on earth. that would have destroyed the atmosphere. Superman thought he was fighting doosmday. so he still would be careful of the regular people. The light speed part of the fight lasted in outer space going and coming back to earth.

From supermans own mouth he didnt care about the innocents, he only cared about killing doomsday.

http://img295.imageshack.us/my.php?image=01ys6.jpg
http://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0203wt6.jpg
http://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?image=04xw3.jpg
http://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?image=05vp0.jpg

again, why didnt he make it there in a millisecond.

Badabing
I'm getting too many reports from this thread. Please stay on topic or I'll have to close it. Thanks.

Please take questions of character rating or tiers to this thread.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f95/t447826.html

carver9
I'm not trying to offend anyone I actually thought that all of us was having a civilized debate but some people get offended when you're commenting on a character that they like. If I am the one that is offending someone with my posts thats all they had to do was tell me what it was that I was saying wrong and I wouldnt mind fixing or getting off of the subject. Its just that simple.

fangirl101
Originally posted by carver9
From supermans own mouth he didnt care about the innocents, he only cared about killing doomsday.

http://img295.imageshack.us/my.php?image=01ys6.jpg
http://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0203wt6.jpg
http://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?image=04xw3.jpg
http://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?image=05vp0.jpg

again, why didnt he make it there in a millisecond.
Who knows. But at that point, max had already given the time of the fight before then. Superman was also injured by Diana by then. With her injury and her using the birds to distract him, she did what she wanted to do, which was slow Superman down.

carver9
Originally posted by fangirl101
Who knows. But at that point, max had already given the time of the fight before then. Superman was also injured by Diana by then. With her injury and her using the birds to distract him, she did what she wanted to do, which was slow Superman down.

Im not trying to offend you (just saying that so that I wont get reported) but if a character can go 8 times the speed of light he still should be able to make it to max lord castle as easily as Im typing this sentence even being injured. Superman was getting up when wonder woman flew off.

I agree, superman is a very powerful character but there are a lot of things about gladiator that puts him above superman (even though I think that superman can get some wins over him). What started this argument is people asking why I put gladiator over superman and I provided my proof. Even though superman has some amazing feats gladiator small feats just present him as supermans superior. I know I can rant all year about supermans speed but thats never going to change the thought that is in some people mind. I ask for on panel proof they make statements.

Gladiator team 8/10

fangirl101
Originally posted by carver9
Im not trying to offend you (just saying that so that I wont get reported) but if a character can go 8 times the speed of light he still should be able to make it to max lord castle as easily as Im typing this sentence even being injured. Superman was getting up when wonder woman flew off.

I agree, superman is a very powerful character but there are a lot of things about gladiator that puts him above superman (even though I think that superman can get some wins over him). What started this argument is people asking why I put gladiator over superman and I provided my proof. Even though superman has some amazing feats gladiator small feats just present him as supermans superior. I know I can rant all year about supermans speed but thats never going to change the thought that is in some people mind. I ask for on panel proof they make statements.

Gladiator team 8/10
I didn't report you. But seriously. If their fight lasted only 1 min and 56 seconds then they had to be fighting at Superspeeds. look at it this way. If They had just flown to the sun and back with no fighting at light speed, it would have taken 16 minutes. Now let's say they flew to the sun and back with no fighting in under two minutes. That would have been 16 times the speed of light. Now, we know it only took seconds for them to get to the sun's surface because they didn't start actually grappling until they got there. And Wondy talks about how she blinks out for only an instant. as in a second. Superman is right on top of her. So let's do the math.

Speed of light from Earth to Sun. 8 Minutes.
let's say they get to the sun in 6 Seconds. that would be 80 times the speed of light.

The trip back Diana says she blinks out for an instant before she hits the earth's atmosphere.
This is the definition of an instant
http://mw1.m-w.com/dictionary/instant

So a second would be a good estimation. She flew from the sun's surface to the earth's surface in an instant.

Superman follows behind her.

One second from the sun to the earth is 480 times the speed of light. I think. My math could be off. But it's late.

Avlon
Originally posted by carver9
So you base mid and high heralds off of who a character beat or versatility because if thats the case vision should be high herald since he stalemated surfer. Terrax should be high herald also since he beat morg on panel and stalemated him during the tyrant battle.

The next step above high herald is skyfather, so is thanos a skyfather level being since he basically walk through high heralds or is high herald level character based off of versatility and power. big grin

If we go by who people beat then hulk is a high herald easily.

This sounds like your own conclusion far more than what I stated...
It's way longer than my original statement. Herald is subjective.

Mindset
Avlon how many Superman comics have you read, approx?

Juntai
Superman/Lightray.

Avlon
Originally posted by Mindset
Avlon how many Superman comics have you read, approx?

A lot.

Judging by when I put my comics into storage...way too many.

Badabing
Cripes, this is getting tiresome. In Superman/Batman #13, Superman flew Darkseid to the Sun in seconds. Superman then flew Darkseid to the Source Wall in 3 panels. He even created a boom tube effect. The Source Wall is at the far edge of the DCU. In Countdown #48, Jimmy Olson "beeped" his little wrist alert gadget after Lightray fell to Earth. Superman flew from Vega, which is 25 light years away, and arrived while the crater and Lightray were still smoking from the impact.

Superman traveling much faster than light should be common knowledge.

Anyone who reads comics knows that for the sake of the plot, characters aren't going full on all the time. This is a reoccurring theme. I find it puzzling that people low ball characters and feats for their own ends.

Superman travels faster than light. That's not up for speculation or debate.

Mindset
I don't think Superman can move faster than light. smile

fangirl101
Originally posted by Badabing
Cripes, this is getting tiresome. In Superman/Batman #13, Superman flew Darkseid to the Sun in seconds. Superman then flew Darkseid to the Source Wall in 3 panels. He even created a boom tube effect. The Source Wall is at the far edge of the DCU. In Countdown #48, Jimmy Olson "beeped" his little wrist alert gadget after Lightray fell to Earth. Superman flew from Vega, which is 25 light years away, and arrived while the crater and Lightray were still smoking from the impact.

Superman traveling much faster than light should be common knowledge.

Anyone who reads comics knows that for the sake of the plot, characters aren't going full on all the time. This is a reoccurring theme. I find it puzzling that people low ball characters and feats for their own ends.

Superman travels faster than light. That's not up for speculation or debate.
Now how in the heck did Superman hear that trouble signal from Jimmy that far? Can he actually hear that far? That is insane.

Enyalus
Originally posted by fangirl101
Now how in the heck did Superman hear that trouble signal from Jimmy that far? Can he actually hear that far? That is insane.

Sound doesn't travel in space...my guess is Kryptonian technology is magic. big grin

iceman24567
Originally posted by Mindset
I don't think Superman can move faster than light. smile Well i do think Superman can mover faster than light biscuits

Mindset
Light in DC universe moves slower than sound

iceman24567
Originally posted by Enyalus
Sound doesn't travel in space...my guess is Kryptonian technology is magic. big grin My guess is that is wasn't really a sound but hey just speculating.

Badabing
I hate you guys! durfist



stick out tongue

kgkg
Originally posted by Badabing
Cripes, this is getting tiresome. In Superman/Batman #13, Superman flew Darkseid to the Sun in seconds. Superman then flew Darkseid to the Source Wall in 3 panels. He even created a boom tube effect. The Source Wall is at the far edge of the DCU. In Countdown #48, Jimmy Olson "beeped" his little wrist alert gadget after Lightray fell to Earth. Superman flew from Vega, which is 25 light years away, and arrived while the crater and Lightray were still smoking from the impact.

Superman traveling much faster than light should be common knowledge.

Anyone who reads comics knows that for the sake of the plot, characters aren't going full on all the time. This is a reoccurring theme. I find it puzzling that people low ball characters and feats for their own ends.

Superman travels faster than light. That's not up for speculation or debate. It really depends how you look at it and anything is up for debate as for space travel and such Superman has been doing similar feat since post crisis like travel from this location to another. - at those time he clearly wasn't faster than light - But writers chose to ignore Science and distance for most part.

But he has claimed he can't go beyond Light speed few times.

perhaps he can keep accelerating way beyond light speed in space but even that theory doesn't explain much.

so it's writers and superman words vs US calculating his speed

Enyalus
Anywho, as for this thread - Sersi turns Lightray into a frog, then amps Gladiator's confidence through the roof, then decides to have frog legs for dinner after team two's win.

fangirl101
Originally posted by Enyalus
Anywho, as for this thread - Sersi turns Lightray into a frog, then amps Gladiator's confidence through the roof, then decides to have frog legs for dinner after team two's win.
Has she ever hit anyone that moves as fast as light ray with matter manip that complicated? And he is a new god. The power it would require to change his actual cellular structure would be astounding.

Mindset
Did Sersi turn Thor into a frog?

fangirl101
Originally posted by Mindset
Did Sersi turn Thor into a frog?
I've seen a scan of it. I may have to do some research and make a respect thread for her.

Nvm. There is already a good one for her.

Enyalus
Originally posted by fangirl101
Has she ever hit anyone that moves as fast as light ray with matter manip that complicated? And he is a new god. The power it would require to change his actual cellular structure would be astounding.

Well Lightray is going to be busy creating a sun or amping Superman, right? So stick out tongue

Badabing
Originally posted by kgkg
It really depends how you look at it and anything is up for debate as for space travel and such Superman has been doing similar feat since post crisis like travel from this location to another. - at those time he clearly wasn't faster than light - But writers chose to ignore Science and distance for most part.

But he has claimed he can't go beyond Light speed few times.

perhaps he can keep accelerating way beyond light speed in space but even that theory doesn't explain much.

so it's writers and superman words vs US calculating his speed The distances he traveled trumps the way anyone looks at it. He has enough feats to support he's FTL.

Writers ignoring science is nothing new. We wouldn't have super heroes or comics or sci fi, etc if they didn't. They're comics, no explanation is needed.

When he's shown flying fast enough that the artist actually includes the word "Boom" and he's shown exiting a tear in space then the debate is over. On panel feats>>>>>>anything else including your speculation. You not liking a feat or trying to rationalize with real world science doesn't negate what the comics show, period.

I don't know when, what context or what circumstances where Superman stated he couldn't go FTL. But the feats have been consistent that he's FTL for the past 5 years.

So unless you're saying the writers are placing the Sun, Vega, the Source Wall all within a close proximity of the DC Earth, and you have proof of this, then distances are pretty standard to what we know.

What you want to think, believe, hope for, want to happen is irrelevant. Prove me wrong, which you can't because scans are readily available, or concede the point and move on.

Badabing
Closing for now. The topic has drifted enough.

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