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Hmm, good match up! I think this could very easily end in a tie. Black Lightning would be more powerful than Gambit, but the Cajun is also more nimble, so it would be a really close fight between them, I think. Hawkman and Wolverine would be pretty evenly matched as well, with Carter being quick enough to avoid the claws, but having a hard time putting him down.

I think that black lightning could take gambit, he just more powerful. Now even though hawkman would land at least a lick I think that wolverine would take him out pretty fast. Wolverine is much faster and more agile even though hawkman can fly. It would take just one clean strike from wolverine and the fight would be over with and I just cant see that being hard for wolverine to get.

This fight depends on wolverine agility and black lightnings marksmanship because wolverine has one of the best dodging record in marvel. If wolverine gets close to black lightning the fight is done which I do think that he has that ability to do so.

Team 2 8/10

I'd give the match to team 2, mostly due to wolverine

Originally posted by carver9
I think that black lightning could take gambit, he just more powerful. Now even though hawkman would land at least a lick I think that wolverine would take him out pretty fast. Wolverine is much faster and more agile even though hawkman can fly. It would take just one clean strike from wolverine and the fight would be over with and I just cant see that being hard for wolverine to get.

This fight depends on wolverine agility and black lightnings marksmanship because wolverine has one of the best dodging record in marvel. If wolverine gets close to black lightning the fight is done which I do think that he has that ability to do so.

Team 2 8/10
Hawkman's Nth metal gives him uber healing. I dont' think one quick swipe would do it.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Hawkman's Nth metal gives him uber healing. I dont' think one quick swipe would do it.

What is hawkman most impressive healing feats because spiderman also has a healing factor but wolverine could one shot him also.

team two

Originally posted by carver9
Wolverine is much faster and more agile even though hawkman can fly.

Errrr?

Originally posted by carver9
What is hawkman most impressive healing feats because spiderman also has a healing factor but wolverine could one shot him also.

Arm was nearly severed off and he healed it in minutes

Here Hawkman is in really rough shape and even his throat is slicecd open, but the nth metal instantly heals him

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hm-21-09.jpg

Anything less then a third-degree burn makes him giggle

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/JLAJSA-VirtueandVice-040.jpg

Originally posted by -K-M-
Errrr?



Arm was nearly severed off and he healed it in minutes

Here Hawkman is in really rough shape and even his throat is slicecd open, but the nth metal instantly heals him

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hm-21-09.jpg

Anything less then a third-degree burn makes him giggle

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/JLAJSA-VirtueandVice-040.jpg

lolz at the first feat, how is he gonna use this during battle?

The 2nd feat, alright so another character just say what on his mind. Hawkman himself didn't giggle. What the point?

team 2 wins

Originally posted by vansonbee
lolz at the first feat, how is he gonna use this during battle?

The 2nd feat, alright so another character just say what on his mind. Hawkman himself didn't giggle. What the point?

team 2 wins
you missed the point. He didn't have the wings on him in the first feat. In battle, he has THEM ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!

Originally posted by vansonbee
lolz at the first feat, how is he gonna use this during battle?

The 2nd feat, alright so another character just say what on his mind. Hawkman himself didn't giggle. What the point?

team 2 wins

Are you serious?

I think you missed the point

Originally posted by fangirl101
you missed the point. He didn't have the wings on him in the first feat. In battle, he has THEM ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!
still say he gonna die

Originally posted by vansonbee
still say he gonna die

I'm going to wager you don't know much about Hawkman.

Originally posted by -K-M-
I'm going to wager you don't know much about Hawkman.
What your point that your trying to make?
Wolverine has a healing factor & claws to kill Hawkman.

Gambit fast enough to evades Hawkman attacks, and has kinetic ability to charge inorganic objects

Originally posted by vansonbee
What your point that your trying to make?
Wolverine has a healing factor & claws to kill Hawkman.

Gambit evades Hawkman attack and counters with kinetic explosive card attacks.
And What about Uru Metal? It was stronge enough to hurt VandV Despero.

Originally posted by fangirl101
And What about Uru Metal? It was stronge enough to hurt VandV Despero. With this statement, I'm sure it implies to Wolverine. Healing factor & Adamantium bones?

Gambit on the otherhand would beatdown by Hawkman if hit*

Originally posted by vansonbee
What your point that your trying to make?
Wolverine has a healing factor & claws to kill Hawkman.

Gambit evades Hawkman attack and counters with kinetic explosive card attacks.

If you researched people who Hawkman fights and his abilities you would realize that's not enough to kill Hawkman

You do realize Hawkman can tag speedsters right? and has done so on multiple occasions and his eyesight is so advanced he can count the flaps of a hummingbird's wings and of course things faster....

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Identity_Crisis_02_Page_04.jpg

So Gambit is going to react faster then that? Also Hawkman's nth metal has shown to disrupt energy attack, magical spells, dimensional portals, etc. So like I said....I'm going to wager you don't know much about Hawkman

Originally posted by -K-M-
If you researched people who Hawkman fights and his abilities you would realize that's not enough to kill Hawkman

You do realize Hawkman can tag speedsters right? and has done so on multiple occasions and his eyesight is so advanced he can count the flaps of a hummingbird's wings and of course things faster....

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Identity_Crisis_02_Page_04.jpg

So Gambit is going to react faster then that? Also Hawkman's nth metal has shown to disrupt energy attack, magical spells, dimensional portals, etc. So like I said....I'm going to wager you don't know much about Hawkman
Okay he see the Flash, show me scans of where Hawkman REALLY tagging fast heroes.

Originally posted by vansonbee
Okay he see the Flash, show me scans of where Hawkman REALLY tagging fast heroes.

1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/JSA_03_03.jpg
2. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/JSA_03_04-05.jpg

1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/JLA030-800-03.jpg
2. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/JLA030-800-04.jpg
3. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/JLA030-800-05.jpg

want more?

So Hawkman solos.

Originally posted by Bentley
So Hawkman solos.

Hawkman is vastly underated

1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hm-47-003.jpg
2. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hm-47-004.jpg
3. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hm-47-005.jpg
4. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hm-47-006.jpg
5. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hm-47-007.jpg

Yes, Hawkman took out thousands of Gordanian's himself

Originally posted by -K-M-
1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/JSA_03_03.jpg
2. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/JSA_03_04-05.jpg

1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/JLA030-800-03.jpg
2. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/JLA030-800-04.jpg
3. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/JLA030-800-05.jpg

want more? More please.
The first villain apparently focus on killing more civilian's. He was pretty good at anticipated where she gonna go, I say that.

The 2nd comic was more of flying and standing still... when getting knock out by Hawkman

How is BL stronger than Gambit, for the people who said he is?

Originally posted by vansonbee
More please.
The first villain apparently focus on killing more civilian's. He was pretty good at anticipated where she gonna go, I say that.

The 2nd comic was more of flying and standing still... when getting knock out by Hawkman

Errrr...no.

Black Adam
1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hawkmanv4_25_pyrate_p11.jpg
2. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hawkmanv4_25_pyrate_p12.jpg
3. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hawkmanv4_25_pyrate_p13.jpg
4. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hawkmanv4_25_pyrate_p14.jpg

1. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/BlackAdam3-p14.jpg
2. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/BlackAdam3-p15.jpg
3. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/BlackAdam3-p16.jpg
4. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/BlackAdam3-p17.jpg
5. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/BlackAdam3-p18.jpg
6. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/BlackAdam3-p19.jpg

Aquaman
1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkman-v3-015-13.jpg
2. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkman-v3-015-14.jpg
3. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkman-v3-015-15.jpg
4. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkman-v3-015-16.jpg
5. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkman-v3-015-17.jpg
6. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkman-v3-015-18.jpg
7. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkman-v3-015-19.jpg

Wonder Woman
1. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/JLAClassified48010.jpg
2. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/JLAClassified48011.jpg

and their's more so I suggest you just look at the respect thread. He has even recently tagged Jay Garrick (Flash I), but I don't have those scans uploaded yet

Good scans k-m and I agree, he is underrated but if we was to list all the things wolverine has done then we'll be listing all day. I can give you some examples though.

Wolverine vs new york. Wolverine basically soloed the marvel u (not any top tiers present).

Wolverine fought xcaliber by himself. Soloed the xmen on how many of occasions.

Fought alpha flight and stalemated them, asking rogue to go get the rest of the xmen.

Fought a 1000 trained ninjas in one of his first comics and killed them all.

Even though hawkman has some amazing feats and is one of the best in the field I think that wolverine would cut him down a few.

Originally posted by carver9
Good scans k-m and I agree, he is underrated but if we was to list all the things wolverine has done then we'll be listing all day. I can give you some examples though.

Wolverine vs new york. Wolverine basically soloed the marvel u (not any top tiers present).

Wolverine fought xcaliber by himself. Soloed the xmen on how many of occasions.

Fought alpha flight and stalemated them, asking rogue to go get the rest of the xmen.

Fought a 1000 trained ninjas in one of his first comics and killed them all.

Even though hawkman has some amazing feats and is one of the best in the field I think that wolverine would cut him down a few.

I didn't even post Hawkman's best feats

Key word not any top tiers present

Hawkman has fought the JSA on his own and was winning, plus Thanagarian Gods and Surtur.

When did he stalemate Alpha Flight? and if you talking about the team with Radius, Flex, etc. your leaving out a HUGE peice of context

I just posted scans above of Hawkman killing thousands of Gordians. Gordians > ninjas

and you would be wrong as people better and stronger then Wolverine failed to do so.

EDIT: When you say cut him down do you mean kill him or just beat him? As I do think Wolverine can take a few, but with a non-jobbing Hawkman he isn't taking a majority.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Errrr...no.

Black Adam
1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hawkmanv4_25_pyrate_p11.jpg
2. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hawkmanv4_25_pyrate_p12.jpg
3. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hawkmanv4_25_pyrate_p13.jpg
4. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hawkmanv4_25_pyrate_p14.jpg

1. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/BlackAdam3-p14.jpg
2. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/BlackAdam3-p15.jpg
3. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/BlackAdam3-p16.jpg
4. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/BlackAdam3-p17.jpg
5. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/BlackAdam3-p18.jpg
6. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/BlackAdam3-p19.jpg

Aquaman
1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkman-v3-015-13.jpg
2. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkman-v3-015-14.jpg
3. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkman-v3-015-15.jpg
4. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkman-v3-015-16.jpg
5. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkman-v3-015-17.jpg
6. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkman-v3-015-18.jpg
7. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkman-v3-015-19.jpg

Wonder Woman
1. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/JLAClassified48010.jpg
2. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/JLAClassified48011.jpg

and their's more so I suggest you just look at the respect thread. He has even recently tagged Jay Garrick (Flash I), but I don't have those scans uploaded yet

Again, nice scans but I just wanted to say this, wolverine is different from the people that you just showed. I'm not saying that wolverine is more powerful then any of the people in the scans but he does have the tools to bring hawk man down.

Example, hulk has faced some of the most powerful beings in marvel u but the person that he dread fighting the most is wolverine because wolverine is better equipted at fighting hulk. Hell he is basically a miniature hulk without strength but adamantium instead.

In a fight wolverine would own hawk man 8/10

Originally posted by -K-M-
I didn't even post Hawkman's best feats

Key word not any top tiers present

Hawkman has fought the JSA on his own and was winning, plus Thanagarian Gods and Surtur.

When did he stalemate Alpha Flight? and if you talking about the team with Radius, Flex, etc. your leaving out a HUGE peice of context

I just posted scans above of Hawkman killing thousands of Gordians. Gordians > ninjas

and you would be wrong as people better and stronger then Wolverine failed to do so.

EDIT: When you say cut him down do you mean kill him or just beat him? As I do think Wolverine can take a few, but with a non-jobbing Hawkman he isn't taking a majority.

I know that your the best when it comes to alpha flight. Guardian was present when wolverine was soloing them and this is the one where guardian shot him off of his motorcycle.

I got a question for you. How well do you think that hawk man could handle wolverines adamantium claws.

I know how well wolverine could handle hawkmans hammer, I just need to know the other way around.

First of all you can't even say that wolverine is more skilled or has more experience as hawkman has been doing his thing for thousands of years. much more than wolvie. also he's faster stronger, and he has a monstrous healing factor like wolverine. i don't see wolvie beating him

Originally posted by carver9
Again, nice scans but I just wanted to say this, wolverine is different from the people that you just showed. I'm not saying that wolverine is more powerful then any of the people in the scans but he does have the tools to bring hawk man down.

Example, hulk has faced some of the most powerful beings in marvel u but the person that he dread fighting the most is wolverine because wolverine is better equipted at fighting hulk. Hell he is basically a miniature hulk without strength but adamantium instead.

In a fight wolverine would own hawk man 8/10

and Hawkman has the tools to bring Wolverine down, I havn't even addressed how he has guns that can instantly shut people's minds down, creating air currents sucking the air out of an area, summoning animal totems, or Hawkman calling thousands of birds into a fight to do his bidding, etc.

Hawkman has victories over some of the most powerful people in the DCU, and has put up a hell of a fight against the top elite characters. He has a great of variety then just a guy who flies

Unlikely, especially with Hawkman's speed and strength. He has even been shown to toe a fairly large spaceship with him.

Does Hawkman healing factor regenerate his limbs?

Originally posted by Superherovandal
First of all you can't even say that wolverine is more skilled or has more experience as hawkman has been doing his thing for thousands of years. much more than wolvie. also he's faster stronger, and he has a monstrous healing factor like wolverine. i don't see wolvie beating him

Your statement is like saying that thor can fight better then wolverine or even captain america. Even though thor is trained in almost every fighting style on his home world wolverine is a much better fighter.

And there was nothing displayed of hawkman being faster. He has good eye site, I agree with that but I still consider wolverine to be a notch above him when it comes to speed.

Originally posted by carver9
I know that your the best when it comes to alpha flight. Guardian was present when wolverine was soloing them and this is the one where guardian shot him off of his motorcycle.

I got a question for you. How well do you think that hawk man could handle wolverines adamantium claws.

I know how well wolverine could handle hawkmans hammer, I just need to know the other way around.

That wasn't the real Guardian, but they were brainwashed and half their memory was erased preventing them from using their skills and abilities which was said in the comic. Even Storm mentioned they were fighting like they were brain washed...which they were. They even thought Wolverine was magical and created by Shaman.

They would most definetly cut him, but tagging Hawkman would be a feat onto itself and his healing factor has him healing wounds in seconds such as having his neck slicked open by Headhunter. So I doubt one slash would be enough

Originally posted by carver9
Your statement is like saying that thor can fight better then wolverine or even captain america. Even though thor is trained in almost every fighting style on his home world wolverine is a much better fighter.

And there was nothing displayed of hawkman being faster. He has good eye site, I agree with that but I still consider wolverine to be a notch above him when it comes to speed.

Except Hawkman is considered to be one of the most skilled fighters in the DCU.

Errr? Once again are you serious? Hell Hawkman in the old days was shown to go lightspeed in space will toying a spaceship

Originally posted by -K-M-
and Hawkman has the tools to bring Wolverine down, I havn't even addressed how he has guns that can instantly shut people's minds down, creating air currents sucking the air out of an area, summoning animal totems, or Hawkman calling thousands of birds into a fight to do his bidding, etc.

Hawkman has victories over some of the most powerful people in the DCU, and has put up a hell of a fight against the top elite characters. He has a great of variety then just a guy who flies

Unlikely, especially with Hawkman's speed and strength. He has even been shown to toe a fairly large spaceship with him.

I agree, hawkman could ko wolverine but its more like for wolverine to get in more hits since he is faster and more skilled then hawkman. When it comes to mind controlling or even messing with minds that seem to fail on wolverine.

I agree hawkman has some impressive feats, if it was any other street leveler then I would give hawkman the majority but they pitted him against a character that has one of the best healing factor in comics with adamantium claws that could cut through anything and is considered one of the best fighters in marvel u.

Originally posted by Bentley
So Hawkman solos.

No he doesn't. He's certainly a powerhouse compared to the others but he's not going to solo Gambit and Wolverine a majority of the time.

Originally posted by carver9
I agree, hawkman could ko wolverine but its more like for wolverine to get in more hits since he is faster and more skilled then hawkman. When it comes to mind controlling or even messing with minds that seem to fail on wolverine.

I agree hawkman has some impressive feats, if it was any other street leveler then I would give hawkman the majority but they pitted him against a character that has one of the best healing factor in comics with adamantium claws that could cut through anything and is considered one of the best fighters in marvel u.

He isn't faster then Hawkman that's the thing, and skillwise is debatable but I would most likely give the nod to Wolverine as he has shown more. Errr? that's not how his gun works, and the neuro gun has worked on Aquaman the very powerful telepath with no troubles whats so ever

and? Seriously I don't see how that's enough considering who Hawkman goes against. He has even made short work of the the very powerful reality manipulator Lionmane

Why would Hawkman have his gun?

Originally posted by -K-M-
He isn't faster then Hawkman that's the thing, and skillwise is debatable but I would most likely give the nod to Wolverine as he has shown more. Errr? that's not how his gun works, and the neuro gun has worked on Aquaman the very powerful telepath with no troubles whats so ever

and? Seriously I don't see how that's enough considering who Hawkman goes against. He has even made short work of the the very powerful reality manipulator Lionmane

So are you implying that hawk man is faster then wolverine, not including flight.

Originally posted by Mindset
How is BL stronger than Gambit, for the people who said he is?
In certain situations he is, while in others he's not. Against each other, it may wind up as a quick draw type deal.

Originally posted by Mindset
Why would Hawkman have his gun?

Because that was a common weapon Hawkman (Kator) used

Originally posted by carver9
So are you implying that hawk man is faster then wolverine, not including flight.

You said "Wolverine is much faster and more agile even though hawkman can fly," which is wrong. With his wings he is much much faster then Wolverine. Without the wings Hawkman still has incredible agility...case in point the scan below, but we don't see much of Hawkman without his wings

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkman-v3-001-15.jpg

Without the nth metal we don't know how fast or strong he is, but we we know he is faster and stronger then a normal human as shown by Hawkgirl when she had her wings taken away and she still had superhuman strength which suprized her

1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkgirl058-p09.jpg
2. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkgirl058-p14.jpg
3. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkgirl058-p15-16.jpg
4. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkgirl058-p17.jpg
5. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkgirl058-p22.jpg

I would hardly say the contest between Hawkman and Wolverine is one sided, in either direction. I think that the key here is Gambit. Black Lightning is pretty darn powerful, and an Olympic level athlete...if he hits Gambit first, the Cajun is going down, and then you'll have Wolverine falmbe. Even if Hawkman might not win the majority against Logan, (though, for the record I think he's got a decent chance of that) he could at least stalemate him for a good long time.

Originally posted by StyleTime
In certain situations he is, while in others he's not. Against each other, it may wind up as a quick draw type deal. No, BL is never stronger than Gambit.

There are no situations where that can change...

Originally posted by -K-M-
Because that was a common weapon Hawkman (Kator) used Does he still use it, because I haven't seen it.

Originally posted by Mindset
No, BL is never stronger than Gambit.

There are no situations where that can change...
An incredibly durable, nimble, metallic robot attacks them both. I'd say BL would show Gambit up.

They get attacked by Cessily Kincaid. Same deal.

Edit: It just hit me that you were probably talking about direct confrontations with each other rather than general ability to win a fight in certain circumstances. I think we were thinking of different things.

Originally posted by Mindset
Does he still use it, because I haven't seen it.

He did in his run before it got changed into Hawkgirl

Originally posted by -K-M-
He did in his run before it got changed into Hawkgirl Oh, I just read JSA

Team 1 for this one, imo... Lightning's, well, lightning, can take down either man pretty quickly imo, and with Hawkman, well, that's just overkill...

HM is the winning key for team 1.