League of Champions Week Six: Charlotte Vs. Digi

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illadelph12
Week 6: Metropolis (DC)
Duration: Monday, October 27th @ 10am thru Friday, October 31st @ 12am)

Charlotte Vs. Digi

Judges: Badabing, Jason, Darthgoober

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The king was working in the garden. He seemed very glad to see me. We walked through the garden. This is the queen, he said. She was clipping a rose bush. Oh how do you do, she said. We sat down at a table under a big tree and the king ordered whiskey and soda. We have good whiskey anyway, he said. The revolutionary committee, he told me, would not allow him to go outside the palace grounds. Plastiras is a very good man I believe, he said, but frightfully difficult. I think he right though shooting those chaps. If Kerensky had shot a few men things might have been altogether different. Of course the great thing in this sort of an affair is not to get shot oneself!

It was very jolly. We talked for a long time. Like all Greeks he wanted to go to America.

- L'Envoi by Ernest Hemingway


Digi's Writeup (Week 5)

My Team
- Death's Head II (Minion) (now Minion Prime)
- Dark Angel
- Moonstone
- Firehawk
- Midnighter

LISTEN TO THE FOLLOWING LINK FIRST (have your sound on fairly high)
http://boomp3.com/listen/c297as4wf_m/writeup5
It may not load the first time. Make sure it works, then listen prior to reading anything. Thanks. The accompanying scans/writeup is below.

...the writeup was entirely for fun this week. I didn't have time to compose a battle-writeup. Charlotte was briefed on it not pertaining to the actual match. The written writeup below is my full strategy, and I wish Charlotte the best of luck.

Written Portion

Prep

Location: The Carrier

Amalgamations:
Moonstone + Firehawk
Dark Angel
Minion Prime assimilates Midnighter

Battle

Prime Time

For those of you who missed my last couple matches, I just built a team-busting character in Minion, now Minion Prime. See, he can assimilate the minds and souls of victims, which he then houses within himself in a single hive-mind personality, controlled by Death's Head's, who is the controlling personality of the group. I assimilated Mary Marvel, Osiris, and Freddy Freeman (Cpt. Marvel Jr.), and their souls are all I need to activate their power. So with their new body being Minion's, he's now roughly as powerful as Cpt. Marvel himself (or more so). I also assimilated Karate Kid's mind, adding his mind-numbing skill to the equation.

And I keep all of this, due to the information retention rule for this tournament.

I proved all of this with truckloads of scans on each and every point, and illadelph approved every step of it as legal. If Charlotte feels the need to challenge it, I'll be happy to post everything again and explain why I'm right.

And this match I'm adding Midnighter, whose calculative abilities will make sure I'm utilizing my powers to their fullest, and only attacking them in ways in which I can win. His implants, now assimilated, also allow me to analyze the powers and abilities of their team. So nothing will come as a surprise to me.

So in the opening seconds of the fight, with this blur-speed:
http://img233.imageshack.us/my.php?image=marvel2rg6.jpg
And this flight speed (Mach 10 tourney limit)
http://img140.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=a8c37_capflash2.jpg

I cave in everyone's head with this strength:
http://img53.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mary1gq9.jpg
http://img388.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mary2oj3.jpg
http://img388.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mary3te4.jpg
http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mary4we4.jpg
http://img388.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mary5ga6.jpg
http://img53.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mary6xj6.jpg
http://img384.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mary7pp2.jpg
...actually quite a bit more strength, since that's only 1/3 of my magical power.

And I haven't even started with the other components of Minion. At this point, he could probably solo this match. Fortunately, I have 2 others to help me.

Introducing Dark Angel

Dark Angel is a wonderful catch-all. Not insanely powerful, but versatile on a level few can match. And while I have a few specific uses for her, let's rattle off her power set first:
Phasing, high-level telepathy, telekinesis, can channel energy into regular blasts, or punches, durability, etc. Teleportation, flight, limited ESP, density control, etc.

I can produce scans to back up all of that, and will do so for most of them.

She's a direct answer to the Miss Martian/Emma Frost tandem Charlotte has liked so much this tournament.

Diamond form? Not so tough when I decrease your density to be very killable again:
http://img154.imageshack.us/my.php?image=angel5lv9.jpg
Or reverse it when you go intangible to make you hittable again.

She is a telepath easily on Emma's level who can both defend against it:
http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=angel6tk6.jpg
As well as dish it out:
http://img522.imageshack.us/my.php?image=angel8fm2.jpg

But I'd like to focus on M'Gann for a second (Miss Martian):
http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mm2sq7.jpg
http://img216.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mm3jz3.jpg
http://img216.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mm4si4.jpg
M'Gann has a dual personality that is literally trying to escape from M'Gann. And combating this inner force drains M'gann immeasurably, as you can see from the scans where she passes out simply from the effort of keeping her double in check.

In Round 1 vs. fangirl I had Minion assimilate Starfire's mind for the specific purpose of exploiting this weakness. Minion can now inform Dark Angel, who can act upon it.
http://img301.imageshack.us/my.php?image=angel12rm8.jpg
http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=angel13xb7.jpg
http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=angel14cv9.jpg
That's her performing an exorcism on a personality inside someone. And she won't be intending to remove the dual personality from M'Gann, but simply to prod it enough that M'Gann is fighting a war with herself rather than with me.

I can negate her phasing. I can negate diamond form. I can take and dish out pain better than they can, and will match her scans for scan if needed. And I have an attack specifically designed to attack the weak point in M'Gann's mind. At that point, she'll beat herself.

I have other tricks in store with DA, but will save them for later if I need them. Charlotte is creative but has a few consistent ideas running through most of her plans that I'll exploit once I confirm that she included them.

Moonhawk? Firestone? Stones of Fire?!

Regardless of the name, this is to further harass Emma/M'Gann, and also to provide a strong final amalgam.

M'Gann has a well-documented fire weakness.
http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mm1on5.jpg

With phasing negated by Dark Angel, there's very little way for her to escape the intense fire of Firehawk. Diamond form, you say? Not when Moonstone can attack while phased:
http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/3408/phasedenergyblast01bi4.jpg
I have other scans that support this as well.

So phase into Emma, and, I dunno, set her heart on fire? Brutal, but effective. Moony and Firehawk can match Mach speeds and beyond, btw:
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/9383/speedzs9.jpg
So they can't avoid me.

An example of Firehawk's power:
Can melt steel: http://img516.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fh3xv6.jpg
And here's her affecting Martian Manhunter, who has a similar weakness:
http://img526.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fh17zr5.jpg


Ending

- Minion can solo most matches, and nothing Charlotte does will keep up with me. With Cpt. Marvel+ strength, speed, and durability, combined with KK's skill, MN'ers calculative ability, and Minion's inherent powers, Minion Prime is now a legit High Herald planet-buster.

- 2 of my 3 characters can phase. At best, one of hers can, and Dark Angel can use her powers to negate it. I also have the ridiculous speed advantage with flight for all 3, and the Marvels' reaction times combined with Karate Kid's skill with Minion. So they literally can't touch me in this fight.

- Emma/M'Gann goes down fast and hard. The rest follow soon after.

- Minion's assimilations for this match (presuming I win) include Emma Frost and Oracle, and whoever they happen to be amalgamated with. Those are the only two I'm interested in.

- I look forward to Charlotte's plan. They're always interesting (i.e. ridiculous).

- Bada and Jase are scheduled as judges, who have already judged in a Minion Prime match (and believed it, as they should wink ). For Newjak's sake, and in case a replacement judge comes in this week (since it's happened a couple times) I have a full explanation of Minion Prime coming up in my first couple posts. Thank you for reading.

- Charlotte's a friend. The audio writeup was entirely for fun, and I explained as much to her before our match. I wish her the best of luck, both in this match and in the whole tournament.

Charlotte DeBel

DigiMark007
Digi Post #1

First, good luck to Charlotte, and thanks to the judges.

Second, another thanks to Charlotte for posting my "Minion Prime Explained" post above (from my last match). Saved me a post. Goober, or other judges unfamiliar with Minion Prime, take some time to read it please. Thanks.

Third, a delicious thank you to Charlotte (again) for the entire last post. I want to call it Digi's Post #1, because you're actually making some points for me. But we'll get there later.

This post will be writeup debunking. The next will be answering the post on Minion and providing initial thoughts.

Writeup Debunking

Originally posted by illadelph12
clipped for time

First section is a lot of scans about Zach and Magik. Fair enough, but it doesn't show a whole lot in terms of actual strategy, just reinforces their powers. She's setting up the DNA-molding later in the writeup, which is invalid for entirely other reasons.

Anyway, Zach's magic <<<< the might of Shazam. And <<<<< my team, for that matter.

Originally posted by illadelph12
...to reach out for JLA medical databases.

There, Techno finds files referring to Superman:
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1256575_Action_838_(02)/

and Martian Manhunter\White Martians
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u131/jason-todd/Jimscomic095.jpg

Here's where Charlotte damns herself. Take a look at the Superman DNA scan, near the bottom. Here's the quote: "I'm at S.T.A.R. Labs in New York..." Star Labs. Not JLA medical headquarters, where Charlotte supposedly links with in her prep. So that scan = no proof at all. It's the wrong place entirely.

The J'onn scan is even more laughable. Not only is it not proof that his DNA is on file at JLA medical center, but it's only proof that he briefly ganked a blood sample from a random martian.

So anything and everything about Kryptonian or Martian DNA can be ignored entirely. Which also means her team is in for a rapestomp against my squad of uber-badasses.

Originally posted by illadelph12
The first and easiest thing is to alter Martian DNA of Miss Martian into the one of peak specimen of her race

Besides the fact that I just proved the DNA wrong, M'Gann's lack of full abilities is a mental block, not physical. You should know that about her. It's from the arc where M'Gann's dark self is showing her how easily she could destroy the Titans.

So Charlotte's just confusing actual continuity now.

Originally posted by illadelph12
The next thing is done is that we use information on Kryptonian DNA from database, to turn Techno into baseline Kryptonian (not thr peak one, but something like Jor-El\Supergirl).

Not possible, same reasons. But for the record, Minion would donkey-womp someone at Supergirl level. Cpt. Marvel+ physical stats plus KK's skill, which gives him Quicksilver-esque reflexes at base-level human?! You wouldn't touch me.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Battle
Emeralda and Archmage immediately teleport away from the heat of the battle (to the building that was former HQ of Birds of Prey in the Metropolis).

Meanwhile Techno (who has faux Kryptonian physiology putting her\his stats roughly on Supergirl’s level+sundipped before the battle, as well as Lex’ knowledge of Kryptonian battle tactics and Batgirl’s fighting skills) flies to face the opposition.

Read through this quote and what she just did. 2/3 of her team went into hiding, and she sent the Oracle amalgam alone against my team.

Even if she's at Supergirl level (she's not) my team stomps her into incoherence before she does anything to me. Batgirl's fighting tactics? Lex's skills?! Jesus. I have Black Panther, Taskmaster, and Karate Kid inside of me, among others. With those skills, Minion at his normal levels could kill you:

A blade-arm this sharp:
http://img249.imageshack.us/my.php?image=41mh1.jpg

With this strength:
http://img250.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gold4yy9.jpg

With this skill:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/Untitled-Scanned-13.jpg

And this reaction time (vs. a Superman villain, no less):
http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kk4by1.jpg

And that's BEFORE the Marvel upgrade.

So Charlotte just killed Oracle/Lex with an awful opening strategy. It's a 3-on-1 stomp.

Originally posted by illadelph12
His\her task is a)try to kill lesser amalgamations, since Digi would probably be putting all his money on Minion, as he previously did; The direct confrontation with Minion should be avoided as long as it’s possible. The prime task is to “kill what's killable there"

Tell me, can Oracle/Lex phase? Both of my non-Minion amalgams can. How the heck are you going to "kill what's killable?" All my money isn't on Minion. He's the heavy-hitter, sure. But no one on my team is easily killed.

And they'll take it to you as well:

Firehawk:
http://img329.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fh6xw7.jpg
http://img329.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fh7za9.jpg

Moony:
http://img254.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pwnshulkbrieflynm1.jpg
or
http://img398.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vshulk02sx2.jpg

Dark Angel:
http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=angel10wd8.jpg

Originally posted by illadelph12
Now, when Minion\Dark Angel try to use telepathy to take Techno down, they either find it psi-shielded or even worse- they’ll swallow the bait.
With Techno's "tasty" skills, knowledge and anything he’d seem the perfect target for cranial siphon assimilation. But- entering\dragging Techno’s psyche triggers the "psychic anchor".

Good thing I'm not attacking Techno telepathically ( roll eyes (sarcastic) ). I only went after Emma/M'Gann, who I dont actually expect to beat telepathically. Rather, I just engage her long enough to bring out M'Gann's inner demons, so that you are FAR less than peak.

So there goes the vaunted "trap." I don't even use tp on Oracle. I kill her the normal way. The assimilation only takes place once I kill you.

Originally posted by illadelph12
We also have a joker up our sleeve. While Minion is busy dealing with our “destructive distraction”, we have Archmage briefly teleporting on top of him and hitting him with Soulsword

The one interesting tactic that isn't completely unbelievable. Few things:

I have Midnighter's skills
http://img372.imageshack.us/my.php?image=m7yr2.jpg
http://img372.imageshack.us/my.php?image=m8ah7.jpg
And Karate Kid (vs. a Flash-level character in this scan who couldn't be hit by anyone else in the Legion)
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/Adventure373-17.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/Adventure373-18.jpg
Give that insane level of skill to these powers:
http://img233.imageshack.us/my.php?image=marvel2rg6.jpg

How the hell is that sword ever going to hit me? Or pierce my ultra-durable body? At this point, it would take a nigh-Flash level character to even hope to hit me, and Superman-like strength to scratch me.

DigiMark007
Digi Post #2

Minion Response

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
They do not lie in Minion's soul assimilation- that's all fine and valid.

Just want to get this on record.

happy

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
The witness #1- Captain Marvel. Plan debunked=the body can be random and it doesn't affect powers at all

Here's where she did my work for me. The one scan I lacked (in addition to the extensive scans above in Charlotte's post where she quotes me...please read them) was someone literally using Shazam's powers in another body. Charlotte just proved it for me.

The rest is biased interpretation and speculation to fit her purposes. Just look at all of my scans. I have their souls, proved it, and you don't need the original body to activate the souls, which is also now proven. Checkmate.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Witness #2- Osiris. Claim debunked- "Black Adam's powers are linked to his soul".
http://img224.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dc52week43008ae2.jpg
"The power may have made me walk again, but at the price of the my very soul..."
Black Adam's power isn't the soul, just the opposite- it's the substitute for soul.

Osiris is able to regain his human soul only after he rejects Black Adam's power (though he quickly gets eaten by Sobec after that):
http://img224.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dc52week43019mz5.jpg
So...where is the soul helping to regain the power?

Here's where the language barrier may have hurt you. Osiris is speaking metaphorically. "At the cost of my soul" means that the powers have corrupted him, and he's not a good person anymore. It doesn't mean that his soul is literally gone.

Judges, browse the scans. It's fairly obvious.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
3. Witness #3- Black Adam. Claim debunked- I can summon powers from various benefactors into a single body without hurting myself

The gist here is that A. successive lightning bolts would transform me back and forth. However, each lightning bolt is specific to each avatar (Mary, Freddy, etc.). Not all lightning transforms them.
Example:
http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cmj6or8.jpg

Besides, 3 avatars means that even if you believe this logic, the 3rd changes me into a super-powered being. So either wa, I'm good.

And B. (I think) that Black Adam doesn't like the other 2, and would thus deny Osiris power. Black Adam has no way of knowing that Amon is sharing a body with them. And it indeed would be outside help for Charlotte to suggest that one of the power sources would shut off their power mid-match. Thus, it's illegal to debate as such.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
I repeat that we have to presume no outside intervention within rules and act as if the powers were granted to Mary\Freddy\Osiris. They were never granted to Minion himself or any other personality within its body. Presuming that would=presuming outside help

You're the 3rd to try this. It misunderstands the term 'outside help.' No, powers were never granted to Minion. They were granted to Mary/Freddy/Amon. Their host body is simply different now. Minion has those 3 inside him. So it's not Death's Head receiving the power, it's the 3 who have access to it. It would only be outside help if they granted the power to a new entity, which they don't. End of story.

General Reactions

- Let's go worst-case scenario (I like doing this) to show you why I still win. Let's say you believe the Kryptonian DNA transfer, amping M'Gann, etc. etc. I still win. Why? Because 2/3 of my team can phase while I attack them, while I can telekinetically negate their only phaser (see scans in writeup of Dark Angel). And Minion, with the calculative abilities of MN'er, insane skill of KK, and total power of Cpt. Marvel+, is better than their team by a wide margin.

- Let's take it a step further and say you believe that the Marvel transfer wouldn't work (though it's now stronger than ever). That leaves 2/3 of my team intact and unhittable. And Minion still with KK, MNer, etc. inside him. Formidable as sh*t, especially with the ludicrous plan Charlotte is trying with her own team. In the worst of worst interpretations (none of which are true), I still win.

- So she can't hit most of my team, and the one character that can be hit can take it like nobody else in the whole damn tourney, and dish out just as much.

- I'm telepathically secure, Dark Angel actually has the exorcism-feat I produced earlier on Minion, so she can protect him from such intrusions.

- Did I mention Dark Angel can teleport? Don't have one scanned in currently, but I'll get around to it soon. So forget hiding in their building, I can take the fight to them.

- I've used this line before, but really, what can they hope to do to a being who could conceivably destroy the planet we're on? They have no telepathic foothold, no clear way to beat me, and are FAR below me.

- So, as with pretty much every match since I built Minion Prime: if you believe my plan, I win handily. And even if you don't (though you should), Charlotte's plan is ridiculous, I can't be hit, and at worst Minion has his own healing, durability, offense (formidable as hell...Iron Man-esque) combined with KK's skill, MN'ers calculative abilities, and a host of other knowledge and skills. None of which Charlotte (or anyone) questions. He's practically a team-wrecker without the Marvels. And with them, he's unstoppable.

- Remember that I weakened M'Gann's mind to the point of utter worthlessness. I don't need to beat them telepathically with Dark Angel, just dredge up M'Gann's demons enough for her to incapacitate herself. Then my telepathy is strictly for defense, which can protect against anything they throw at me. See the writeup for details on this tactic.

- Scans to reinforce points:

DA's phasing:
http://img398.imageshack.us/my.php?image=angel1td1.jpg
...she phases out of the plane and her flight gear, and let's it kamikaze.

Limited cosmic awareness with DA would allow me to find them:
http://img522.imageshack.us/my.php?image=angel3be1.jpg

Again blocking a psychic attack from multiple psychics at once, effortlessly:
http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=angel6tk6.jpg

Minion's healing:
http://img466.imageshack.us/my.php?image=die1hh0.jpg
http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=die2bd8.jpg

Durability:
http://img372.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dh14cv5.jpg
http://img81.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dh15ff2.jpg

You already saw his adamantium-esque durability earlier, as well as impressive offense/defense from Moonstone (who can attack while phased for even more pwnage), Angel, and Firehawk. And of course Minion Prime, who is a legit planet-buster.

Originally posted by illadelph12
The direct confrontation with Minion should be avoided as long as it’s possible.

'least you know when you're beat.

cool

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/4792/minionprime1hz8.jpg

Charlotte DeBel
Moving on, darling...

Judges, if you want to throw away hyperboles, you'll need to check that single scan more carefully.
http://img186.imageshack.us/my.php?image=marvel9pd1.jpg
Metaphoric talks about "bad boy with the heart of gold" used as proof. I smell some double standarts there.

And finally- the "no trespassers" part



You have THREE different Shazamers with THREE different benefactors sharing the same body.
Look. When lightning transforms the Shazamer (pseudo-Shazamer) it causes mass destruction around it.

Since there were never the case when "shazaming up" happened in the body with 100+ personalities, the chanse than "extras" would be simply destroyed as trespassers is pretty great:
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1149314_page16/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1149315_page17/

There's one Shazamer in probably one "non-Shazamer" body. Two personalities maximum, the "extras" would be viewed as trespassers and destroyed at attempt to transform.

Good luck, darling.

Charlotte DeBel
Well, to begin with...
Darling, STAR labs is where they perform the scanning. Mr.Terrific also adresses However, Oracle is an ULTIMATE information brocker\coordinator for the whole superhero community, who performed data analysis for multiple superhero teams- JLA, JSA, individual superheroes.
She HAS access to those databases.

The medical samples were taken from all the group of Martians present. Also saying superhero community's prime information brocker doesn't have information of medical records from other superheroes...
That's retarded.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1058693_Countdown_039_page___20/
If they trust her with data on their secret indentities, they would trust on medical files.

So...hit and miss, darling. Also why do you think Karate Kid in the "medical databases" scan I've shown headed to Oracle, and not to JSA or anything? Cause she has acces to JLA, JSA medical bases and so on. She's the data keeper for DCU superhero community.

Getting data samples to base a transfiguration mental model on would be a piece of cake, darling.
======================
Now to the rest.

First, to deal with his writeup


First of all, darling, the reason M'gann blacked out in the scan you've posted was due to Disruptor's energy blast, which separated the personalities in two separate bodies.
And then the same blast knocked M'gann out.

Look.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1220199_19/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1225951_20/

What else do we know about that personality? It plain sucks in astral combat.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1260610_06/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1260630_07/
I doubt Emma would limit herself to puppy dogs. The only possessors she ever had problem with were high level guys like Cassandra Nova, or Bogan, or something like that. Also notice than M'gann classmates don't notice anything until she utters line about puppy dogs out loud.

Do you frankly believe a person who was PWNed by a bunch of puppy dogs is on that level?

Something like that would be pretty sufficient:
http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page17xj9.jpg
http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page1819gk9.jpg
http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page20mg0.jpg
The "love attack" turning Dark Phoenix into White Phoenix. Something along that line. Every single pleasant thought picked up from teammates' minds.
Love it to death. Problem solved.

And finally. You've said you picked it up from Starfire. Thing is, the only three people who know about the personality disorder are Robin, Kid Devil (probably) and Wonder Girl.

The only time Starfire and Miss Martian met was either pre-Titans Tommorow ark (where the weakness was non-existent), or in Trinity 14 where they didn't even talk. So...how do you find out that weakness again?
Starfire and Miss Martian were in entirely different incarnations of Titans.

Anyway, she's the weak ass ally against Emma (puppy dogs again?).



Congratulations, darling, you've just saved me a minute worth of prep time.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1220084_11-12/
The scan you have adressed.

Now, do you think Emma doesn't have enough experience with removing self-imposed psi-blockers?

Iceman
http://img210.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen178page24ql1.jpg
http://img240.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen178page25ni5.jpg

http://img404.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen179page18cs7.jpg
http://img404.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen179page19wk5.jpg
http://img513.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen179page20ki1.jpg

Hellion
http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newxmen31028cx5.jpg
http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newxmen31029nw0.jpg
http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newxmen31030xl7.jpg
http://img299.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newxmen31031dd3.jpg
Just two of many examples. It just turned out I overcomplicated something that was awfully easy to do.

We can combine useful with pleasant and combine that with pwning the second personality (who plain sucks in astral combat and I don't think it would be hard for somebody with Emma's skill to block her away).



And now please state HOW exactly beating\defending herself from the bunch of nobodies (until proven)translates into being on Emma's level in astral combat?

You ridiculised me on Batgirl vs Karate Kid (and FYI, Techno is the BAIT to carry out the second part of my plan- I'll explain the very "bait" thing later in the post), and do yourselves telepathic version of it.

Here's the famous ownage of Rachel Grey in astral plane fight.
http://img362.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncannyxmen4520019kk9.jpg
http://img295.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncannyxmen4520021ag7.jpg
http://img158.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncannyxmen4520025uw5.jpg
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Rachel is the child of Phoenix Force. Unlimited psionic raw power.
http://img294.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page019rc1.jpg
http://img357.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page020rv1.jpg
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Moving on, darling. The bait.

I do know that the only one Techno can playsibly kill in your team is "Firemoon" (though it would be prompt kill, as Techno enters the battle briefly sundipped). However, THAT would be enough (the amalgam of density alterer and poor man's Firestar vs a Kryptonian= roadkill). I never planned on overmuscling you- that would be retarded.

Techno would be a casualty there, but fulfills its role of a bait for you greedy guys to swallow. And that's what I've wanted to do.

The explanation of the bait\"psychic anchor".
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1260723_X-Men_-_Legacy_#216_002/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1260724_X-Men_-_Legacy_#216_003/
http://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenlegacy216004zo0.jpg
http://img223.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenlegacy216005oy3.jpg
http://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenlegacy216006wn3.jpg
Once you enter Techno's mind or try to assimilate it via cranial siphon, you'll swallow the bait. And I doubt you'll like the odds of mass TP exorcism on your souls.

Now you may ask me, would Emma be able to maneur around 100+ souls\minds. She managed to navigate around 8 billions of tortured minds recently- that's more than the Earth's current population.
http://img263.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen200026hz5.jpg
http://img403.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen200027mu3.jpg
http://img240.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen200028xf2.jpg

And she still manages to locate Rogue's personality and manage diagnostics on it.


So... telepathic exorcism piggybacking absorbed personality is pretty fine and working thingy.
And then Digi said himself that the exorcism was possible due to anchor (absorbed personality) hidden instead Minion.

We're doing the same, just creating the anchor within another personality which is MEANT to be absorbed (killing "Firemoon" before that- a density alterer with some low level energy powers) just so we can perform exorcism on you.

Charlotte DeBel
Now on the bait, and it killing Firemoonsmile)

I've adressed beforehand, how Oracle, being prime information broker in DCU (she even was made special offer for Neron). So having access on data on JLA\JSA members is valid- perfectly valid. They trust her even in keeping their secret indentities safe, let alone access to some medical files.

So- "faux Kryptonian" plan is perfectly valid. As for mental model thing- I've explained that into writeup with multiple examples given.

We also sundip it before the battle starts and for about 1 minute in the battle you'll be faced a sundipped Kryptonian. That's no Superman, but that's pretty good.
In writeup I've established Kara Zor-El as approximate benchmark.

And in that opening minute your "Firemoon" whose phasing is based on lowering her density via gravity control, gets speedblitzed into incoherence:
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/Supergirl_Respect/moonbust.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/Supergirl_Respect/moonbust2.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/Supergirl_Respect/moonbust3.jpg

Even at Mach 10 it would hurt. Moonstone's phasing (unlike Miss Martian and Dark Angel) is not extradimensional-based. It's density-control based (gravity based). She merely lowers density of her body, remaining her atomic structure there. And that means that your "intangibility" is akin to Shift's "intangibility" in gaseous form.

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/Supergirl_Respect/SupergirlV503page07.jpg
Freeze breath followed by shattering punch would also work just fine.

As for the others...well, the "bait" tactic is explained above, and I haven't seen anything to prove than Dark Angel's skill is sufficient enough to survive astral combat with Emma. Two feats of defending\attacking against nobodies aren't going to cut it, sorry Digi.

"Dark M'gann" is also sub-par astral combatant (once again, puppy dogs?). Making it astral=authomatically subjecting yourself to the telepathic pwnage which would be akin to Batgirl vs Karate Kid (in terms of difference in astral combat skill).

"Bait trap" worked on Xavier. There's no reason it won't work on Minion or Dark Angel, since they're not on their skill level.

Charlotte DeBel
Now to add substance to claims.

The Soulsword part:

Digi's quote:
Originally posted by DigiMark007


The one interesting tactic that isn't completely unbelievable. Few things:

I have Midnighter's skills
http://img372.imageshack.us/my.php?image=m7yr2.jpg
http://img372.imageshack.us/my.php?image=m8ah7.jpg
And Karate Kid (vs. a Flash-level character in this scan who couldn't be hit by anyone else in the Legion)
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/Adventure373-17.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/Adventure373-18.jpg
Give that insane level of skill to these powers:
http://img233.imageshack.us/my.php?image=marvel2rg6.jpg

How the hell is that sword ever going to hit me? Or pierce my ultra-durable body? At this point, it would take a nigh-Flash level character to even hope to hit me, and Superman-like strength to scratch me.

However, all of that is based on KNOWING NOTHING of Soulsword and assuming it's something material.
Soulswords\souldaggers are immaterial thing. They're basically an extension of the soul of it's wielder.

They "destroy supernatural beings and break spells". It's immaterial, physical durability means nothing to them. They work on spiritual level.

So, Digi assumes that Soulsword is some material magic sword made of magic metal, and has "Soul" in the name for coolness' purpose. Something akin to Kain's Soul Reaver. That assumption is wrong.

The Soulsword=exstension of soul. It's merged with it.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1261878_Excalibur_085_p17/

It "slays supernatural beings and breaks magical enchantments". It affects your magic, not your body (it may be as durable or agile as you wish).
http://img396.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sworduz1.jpg
The physical body remains intact as that happens.

And by the way, with Soulswords\Souldaggers the exorcism properties doesn't depend on how hard you hit.

http://img186.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan11hn3.jpg
Karima Shapandar aka Omega Sentinel. Digitally posessed by Malice (since we're talking about exorcism of digitalised souls there).

Karima is Class 50, superdurable and has adaptive healing factor. Pixie has a strength of normal 15 years old girl.

Souldagger is a mere fraction of Magik's soulsword (which Illyana and now Amanda are using).

Exorcism=succesful, Minion's body=intact, "Shazamed up" powers and extra souls=gone.

And no, hitting Minion with a sword which is an extension of the soul is perfectly playsible thing. Minion only assimilates souls via crainial siphon, not with entire body surface.

I need only a slight stab which can be aimed anywhere, I don't need to aim for any vital organs, so blocking skills from Midnighter (not that great without implants) or Karate Kid wouldn't save you as I'm not aiming for anything specifically.

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1157346_X-Men_Magik_1_of_4-08/
Teleport in, stab, teleport out (without saying any ridiculous words).

Mindlink is sufficient to guide teleportation. Thus- exorcism is playsible, and leaves Minion all by himself.
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Databases

Now, I do realise that it's a bio quote, but here it's stated that Oracle is the data keeper for JLA.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1261940_jla_data/

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1261947_Trinity13p21/
http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=trinity13p22kh2.jpg
Supreme coordinator of JLA heroes.

And can't get 2 medical files. Riiight.

For Martian Manhunter data, Digi himslef said that it doesn't matter, and psi-block can be removed in seconds.

Charlotte DeBel
Unofficial post
http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/08/10/50/1152813_bigthumb.jpg

DigiMark007
Digi Post #3

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Judges, if you want to throw away hyperboles, you'll need to check that single scan more carefully.
http://img186.imageshack.us/my.php?image=marvel9pd1.jpg
Metaphoric talks about "bad boy with the heart of gold" used as proof. I smell some double standarts there.

Judges, this is in response to the "Black Adam's power rob the person of their soul." This particular scan makes no sense with the point at all. And the earlier scan is still Osiris speaking metaphorically. It's not me interpreting the scans differently. Read them for yourself, and look at my earlier comments on it. There's no ground for Charlotte to stand on here.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Since there were never the case when "shazaming up" happened in the body with 100+ personalities, the chanse than "extras" would be simply destroyed as trespassers is pretty great:
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1149314_page16/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1149315_page17/

There's one Shazamer in probably one "non-Shazamer" body. Two personalities maximum, the "extras" would be viewed as trespassers and destroyed at attempt to transform

Speculation, complete and utter. Which those scans don't support, btw. You used them to say that the transformation would hurt my other souls, yes? Yet the lightning only hurts the surroundings, not the girl herself. So how does that prove that immaterial souls inside of the host body that is being transformed would be affected, especially when they share a mind with the Marvels now? Ludicrous.

But while we're at it, those scans also reinforce the idea that the powers aren't dependent on the host body, since that girl isn't normally an avatar of Shazam (it's Black Alice borrowing the powers). So it's even more proof for me. Again, I don't expect the judges to believe either me or Charlotte. We're both too biased. But read the scans, and decide for yourself. I'm confident they show what I'm talking about, not Charlotte's ridiculous reaches.

My plan is completely legit. Her attempts have just dug a hole for herself, and made my case look stronger.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Well, to begin with...
Darling, STAR labs is where they perform the scanning. Mr.Terrific also adresses However, Oracle is an ULTIMATE information brocker\coordinator for the whole superhero community, who performed data analysis for multiple superhero teams- JLA, JSA, individual superheroes.
She HAS access to those databases.

That's great that you took info from STAR Labs during prep then...

...oh wait. You didn't. And you can't re-write your prep now, nor add things to it (a precedent set by delph a few rounds ago). So still no Kryptonian DNA.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
The medical samples were taken from all the group of Martians present. Also saying superhero community's prime information brocker doesn't have information of medical records from other superheroes...
That's retarded.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1058693_Countdown_039_page___20/
If they trust her with data on their secret indentities, they would trust on medical files.

I'm sure they would trust her. Doesn't change the fact that all we can confirm is J'onn with a needle with some martian blood in it. If there were ANY evidence that it even made it's way to JLA HQ, you'd have a case. As it is, you don't.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
She's the data keeper for DCU superhero community.

All your scan showed was that she keeps their identities. Saying she has detailed DNA on all of them is a huge leap. And KK's specs were there because she personally scanned him.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
First of all, darling, the reason M'gann blacked out in the scan you've posted was due to Disruptor's energy blast, which separated the personalities in two separate bodies.
And then the same blast knocked M'gann out.

Check the scans I posted. The emotional conflict with the dark self was what eventually KO'd her. Not the blast. And the personality is still inside M'Gann. That's what I'm exploiting. Simple enough.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
What else do we know about that personality? It plain sucks in astral combat.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1260610_06/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1260630_07/
I doubt Emma would limit herself to puppy dogs. The only possessors she ever had problem with were high level guys like Cassandra Nova, or Bogan, or something like that. Also notice than M'gann classmates don't notice anything until she utters line about puppy dogs out loud. Do you frankly believe a person who was PWNed by a bunch of puppy dogs is on that level?

no expression

Astral combat? That was a brief battle of wills, where M'Gann overcame her influence with some happy images (i.e. dogs). You really think that she got beaten on the astral plane by dogs? Epic misinterpretation there, Char.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Something like that would be pretty sufficient:
...blah blah blah scans.
Love it to death. Problem solved.

Possibly. But that's why the telepathic nudge is only 1 of about 4 things I have Dark Angel doing to you. You can't phase because of her density control:
http://img154.imageshack.us/my.php?image=angel5lv9.jpg
I can. Or I could lessen your density to make you less strong and more susceptible to harm if you go into diamond form. Or energy attack:
http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=angel10wd8.jpg
Or teleporting around you to confuse you even further as I attack:
http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=angel24zh7.jpg

Or simply attack while remaining behind a nigh-impenetrable forcefield:
http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=angel15ge9.jpg

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
And finally. You've said you picked it up from Starfire. Thing is, the only three people who know about the personality disorder are Robin, Kid Devil (probably) and Wonder Girl.

Heh. Ok, maybe. Problem is, CIS isn't on for this tourney. I used the Starfire thing because I thought of it as I was writing my writeup, and it seemed cool. But the bottom line is, whatever we tell our characters to do, they do. Dark Angel goes after M'Gann's psyche, then physcially beats down that amalgam as well.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Congratulations, darling, you've just saved me a minute worth of prep time.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1220084_11-12/
The scan you have adressed.

Now, do you think Emma doesn't have enough experience with removing self-imposed psi-blockers?

I'm confused. If you're conceding this point to me, what was the point of the martian DNA? It served no purpose. And, frankly, was a waste of time. Anyway, problem solved. And I'm still vastly superior to you.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
And now please state HOW exactly beating\defending herself from the bunch of nobodies (until proven)translates into being on Emma's level in astral combat?

Astral combat is different from telepathy. It's an entirely different plane. But anyway:

I never said DA was > Emma. She's a damn fine telepath, and used her skills a bunch (a few of which I've shown). And I'm not sure how casually laughing away a telepathic assault from 4-5 telepaths (of any level) = weak.

But the point was always to have telepathic resistance to whatever you try. I have that. Which is great, because in a physical confrontation, my team owns your. And not just Minion. Anyone.

So the fancy "astral" showings for Emma (she posted a bunch of them): meaningless. I take a pot-shot at M'Gann with DA, then get down to the business of butt-kicking, full defended from psi-attacks. I don't care about being better at tp because I don't need it.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Moving on, darling. The bait.

Dude, you have to quit hoping for this. The assimilations happen after the match is over. Before then, Minion's too busy kicking your ass.

You banked your little "trap" on me doing it mid-battle, something I haven't done all tournament. Anyone who has read my matches (all the judges for this week, I believe) knows this.

So, judges, the "soul-trap" was originally based on me attacking Oracle telepathically, then changed to assimilating Oracle mid-battle when the first plan didn't work. I never stated either, ever. And I assimilate at the end of battles. She desperately wants this to work (she spent about 6 paragraphs explaining it), but it literally can't unless I change tactics.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
I do know that the only one Techno can playsibly kill in your team is "Firemoon"

Glad you admit that you could only kill 1 person on my team. Except even that's wrong.

Strength vs. Hulk: http://img398.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vshulk02sx2.jpg
Durability vs. Herc: http://img524.imageshack.us/my.php?image=durability02gm1.jpg

Oh. And I can still phase. You still have no way of dealing with my phasers. I negated your lone phaser. You have no answer. And she can attack while phased:
http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/3408/phasedenergyblast01bi4.jpg
You can't touch my team.

DigiMark007
Digi Post #4

The post in which Digi pulls out an unbeatable strategy (see further below, after more debunking).

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
I've adressed beforehand, how Oracle, being prime information broker in DCU (she even was made special offer for Neron). So having access on data on JLA\JSA members is valid- perfectly valid. They trust her even in keeping their secret indentities safe, let alone access to some medical files.

Still only proved she has identities. Assuming medical records isn't even close to logical.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
And in that opening minute your "Firemoon" whose phasing is based on lowering her density via gravity control, gets speedblitzed into incoherence:

Speedblitz? That's your answer.

First, this:
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/9383/speedzs9.jpg
So it wouldn't even work if it was just Moonfire.

But, let's remember, you sent Oracle out in fron of my entire team in the hopes of me assimilating her. I didn't, btw (covered earlier).

So are you speedblitzing Minion?
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do I need to go on?

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/Supergirl_Respect/SupergirlV503page07.jpg
Freeze breath followed by shattering punch would also work just fine.

As would a 3-on-1 rapestomp.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
The Soulsword part:

However, all of that is based on KNOWING NOTHING of Soulsword and assuming it's something material.
Soulswords\souldaggers are immaterial thing. They're basically an extension of the soul of it's wielder.

erm. it's still a sword. It still has to hit me, and pierce Minion's brain (where it's all kept). Also, immaterial would suggest non-physical. It still has to physically touch someone to affect them. So no.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
It "slays supernatural beings and breaks magical enchantments". It affects your magic, not your body (it may be as durable or agile as you wish).

Calling shenanigans here. As agile as you wish? Could they wish it to be as agile as Flash? As durable as Juggernaut? You're making things up. It's a sword. It's wielders f-ing suck compared to my entire team.

And you have to use it to hit a character who could just chuck the Birds of Prey building into space, or pound it into the earth's core. If you think for a second that I'm going to nicely stand there, with my skills and speed that make your team look like toddlers, and allow myself to be hit, you're sorely mistaken.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
I need only a slight stab which can be aimed anywhere, I don't need to aim for any vital organs

Really? Proof? Because Minion's souls are stored in his mind. I can produce scans to prove this. So how the hell is stabbing, say, a machine's leg (which would be impossible for you anyway) going to release souls from it's mind?

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
so blocking skills from Midnighter (not that great without implants) or Karate Kid wouldn't save you as I'm not aiming for anything specifically.

no expression

So let me get this straight. You think you can hit someone with KK's and MN'er's skill and Marvel's speed...with, who, Emma? Magik? People who barely have speed feats to their name. KK can tag Flash characters. The Marvels are a blur to human eyes. MN'er can see every move you do before you do it, and plan accordingly. You don't touch me unless I say so.

This is a joke.

I could stand on the building you're in and incinerate you with transformational lightning:
http://img137.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=11655_capbolt_batman1.jpg
http://img142.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=3ae65_capbolt_batman2.jpg

I could punch the city block you're in into the next county:
http://img139.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=11fc3_capvsupes4b.jpg
http://img104.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=4a22e_capvsupes4c.jpg

Or hell, I could let my other two amalgams finish you off. And I think I will. I'll have Moonstone phase me, so I can't even be touched, then stay back while we kill you from a distance.
http://img522.imageshack.us/my.php?image=phasesothersje7.jpg

Hear that, judges? Minion rapes Oracle, the sacrificial lamb in Charlotte's epic-ly flawed plan, then lets himself be phased for safety and lets the other 2 deal with the fight. Seriously, I win this easily, and I'd rather save my heavy-hitter from the possible soul-steal (even though he's too fast and skilled to be touched by them)

And if you think my other 2 lose to her remaining 2 characters (they don't) then Minion gets upset and throw their heads into a sewer.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
And can't get 2 medical files. Riiight.

2 medical files you haven't proved are in JLA HQ, or even exist at all. And remember kids, she didn't check STAR Labs in prep, so that's a no-go.

...

End Notes (Please Read)

- I want to recap some things, because they are important: Here's how Charlotte's battle plan goes...she sends Oracle/Lex out to face my entire team, in the hopes that I assimilate Oracle's mind, thus triggering a tp trap she set with Emma. I assimilate Oracle, true, but not until after the match. This is how I've done it since the beginning of the tourney. We easily kill Oracle, unphasing only when necessary (Minion included)

- So it's then a 3-on-2. 2 of my 3 can phase (Angel, Moony), and I have my 3rd member (Minion) phased using Moonstone:
http://img522.imageshack.us/my.php?image=phasesothersje7.jpg
We can now attack while phased:
http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/3408/phasedenergyblast01bi4.jpg
And we can negate M'Gann's phasing with Angel's density control (via her tk powers):
http://img154.imageshack.us/my.php?image=angel5lv9.jpg
Tk power which can do this, btw: http://img522.imageshack.us/my.php?image=angel2vn8.jpg

- Minion is phased, and will stay so for the rest of the match. Forget the sword trick entirely. From this point, I blast them with massive amount of energy:
http://img329.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fh6xw7.jpg
http://img329.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fh7za9.jpg
or
http://img166.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fh14hj5.jpg
or
http://img186.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fh18hy8.jpg
or
http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=angel10wd8.jpg
or
http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mary20gs6.jpg

- And I win. Because they can't touch me, they can't phase themselves, and I can blast them until I win.

- Charlotte's failed "bait" plan and inability to touch me (either from speed or intangibility) means I can't be touched or beaten. Ever. Nothing happens to Minion, either, since he's phased too. Nice try Charlotte, but I just punched my 'W' card here unless you think of something brilliant in the next few posts.

Charlotte DeBel
Ok, I'm back for a while.

Minion Prime or Nonsence Prime- now with diagrams

Let's start with the 1st point.
Minion getting the power of Marvels:
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/5459/diagram1ak1.jpg

The proof on "dominant personality once the powers of Shazam called down".
The case of Superman+Captain Marvel.
http://pics.livejournal.com/jeanne_dark/pic/0007paw2
http://pics.livejournal.com/jeanne_dark/pic/0007q8q4
When Superman and Captain Marvel share bodies, Superman gets demoted to the position of "back seat driver", not even having control over his own body which becomes Marvel's.

That's POSESSION. Which is banned from the tourney.
And Superman was "authorised" there by Captain Marvel (who can channel his powers or its fraction into different bodies, that's how he gave powers to Freddy Freeman).
http://pics.livejournal.com/jeanne_dark/pic/0007txfc
He acts as conduct. The same way you use Minion, I suppose? If it is- it's posession, cause character stops being Minion and becomes something else.
And Digi has never shown proof Mary or Freddy can use others as conducts for their powers when their own body is immobile.

Moving on.
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/1420/diagram2ix9.jpg
Antagonising relationships. That's is. They're even powered by different pantheons.

Osiris has even no idea of Marvel family gods until he gets to the Rock of Enterity. It's "our gods" vs "their gods"- different set of benefactors.
http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dc52week43003004md5.jpg

The lightning from Black Adam hurts Marvel family.
http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dc52week50002hy8.jpg
http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dc52week50003004zn2.jpg

The thing that Mary Marvel wield powers of Black Adam once won't help you there. Not only was she depowered when granted powers of Black Adam (thus not having powers from both Marvels and Black Marvels, but her behaviour was totally altered- so much for "powers dependant on soul and personality", huh? Or maybe vice versa?

http://img108.imageshack.us/my.php?image=racerxcountdown40p08xu7.jpg
Mary Batson's personality gets altered and her emotions get altered as well (in fact, performing that on another character is straight out posession, as seen above).

Can the "posession" claim be dismissed by Marvels still legal for the tourney?
Answer- ABSOLUTELY NO. We're drafting Mary Marvel, Captain Marvel Jr. and Osiris- each for 30 points. Drafting that specific character is legal.

Drafting Mary Batson, Freddy Freeman and Amon Tomaz for 5 points each and having them "Shazam up" during prep is illegal (and that's what Digi does there). That would be akin to drafting Bruce Banner for 5 points and having him to transform into low-herald Hulk in prep.

The "legality" or "illegality" of character in that case is under presumption that one drafts powered up incarnation. Drafting depowered one and having it power up in prep would be straight out illegal.
Especially if there's personality differences between powered and depowered incarnations.

And that's an emphatic scan by Zatanna, not hyperbole. So you can't dismiss it based on thatsmile

Mary Marvel to Mary Batson- difference in personality (and having no control over her powered up incarnation).
http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=racerxcountdown35p08wa0.jpg

And finally the summary-
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/3135/diagram3sh9.jpg

Digi tried to dismiss the scan of transformative lightning by giving frankly silly reasoning.


The main difference between Black Alice and Minion? Black Alice hijacks everyone's magic powers, even omnipotent beings such of Spectre. She's the "Franklin Richards" of DC Earth.
When the superhero community of MU starts being scared shitless of Death Head II, wake me up, please.
She can just as easily hijack not-soul-dependant powers- like the ones of Wonder Woman, for example:
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/9457/ba12sz9.jpg

Also note than she regain her own personality whomever she "usurps"- even Spectresmile Kinda contradicts the scan when Marvel channels his powers and personality into Superman and Superman acts as simply backsit driver- even losing control over his own body and becoming the "voice in the head".

So... Minion Prime or Nonsence Prime?

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Moving on.

When reading comprehension helps



That character,, with so tasty skills, was meant to be assimilated in Digi's own prep.
To assimilate someone Minion (even Prime) needs to a)stand still; b)stay tangible.

That gives an opening for a Soul Sword hit. The Techno character was meant for sacrifice to benefit our team.

And BTW, how does physical intangibility translates into having your soul\essence "intangible"? Cause sword hits not the body, but soul or essence.

But in particular case of cyborgs shifty the "digitalised" exorcism has one pecularity- it knocks the exorcised person out for a couple of hours and completely f*cks up her data.

Exorcism of Malice on Karima Shapandar (and Soul Dagger is a mere fraction of real Soulsword, mind you).
http://img186.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan11hn3.jpg
Karima talks about her memory banks being totally f*cked up after said exorcism.
http://img301.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenlegacy208zonemegangdx0.jpg

Once again, the sword attacks not the posessed body, but the soul:
http://img396.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sworduz1.jpg
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Emeralda- your PWNzor of the doom



But Digi, darling, you did say yourselves, than J'onn's DNA doesn't matter?
That were simply psi-blockers:
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1220084_11-12/

More on the "mind over body" stuff from J'onn himself:
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1263506_RacerX-MM07-p19/

The psi-blockers removed mid-battle
http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newxmen31028cx5.jpg

On herself- complete control over the body via complete control over the mind (so being amalgamated isn't an obstacle)
http://img158.imageshack.us/my.php?image=generationx02621bt7.jpg
She controls all her body functions to the point of perfectly emulating coma.
http://img260.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen201008ya3.jpg
Controlling all the functions of her brain.

Superman data

It was shown, that a)Superman's detailed files are at least present at JSA medical databases;
b)Oracle has access to most medical databases on DC Earth
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1070780_Countdown_037_page_03/
Including the exotic data. How would you get detailed info for "folklore" databases? The cellular structure of a vampire is even less common knowledge on DC Earth than the one of Superman.

I've shown that such data is present and is actively used by superhero community. And how come DC premier data keeper (who keeps data for JLA, JSA, Bat-family etc won't have access to it?
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1267681_Hawkgirl_064-16/
Proof of said "premiere data keeper" status.

Especially when she has access to even more sophisticated stuff regarding Superman. Like the acceptable levels of Kryptonite poisoning:
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1263511_AdventuresOfSuperman567p07/

Would it be hard to make "Faux Kryptonian"? In non-sun-affected state, Kryptonian cells are not that fundamentally different from other organic cells. And if you have data (check), genetics knowledge (check), the ability to adjust one's magic for molecular level transmutation- that's playsible.

Charlotte DeBel
Unofficial post

It took me an hour to write that stuff, and now I'm out again to watch my kitties (get bored from waiting for veterinarian to come and see them- our veterinarian got quite a busy day today, she was late by a hour and thus I had a free hour to dedicate to KMC).

Maybe one more brief post there tonight and some more tommorow, but that's all for now.

Charlotte DeBel
Charlotte's post #7/10

The planes and plans



The tactics for the telepathic battle in astral plane and someone's mindscape are similiar. They BOTH are battle of wills, that's why Rachel Summers resorts to shattering Emma's confidence (by turning her "fat"wink in their battle.
http://img362.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncannyxmen4520019kk9.jpg
http://img295.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncannyxmen4520021ag7.jpg
http://img158.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncannyxmen4520025uw5.jpg
http://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncannyxmen4520027pz7.jpg
http://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncannyxmen4520029ua7.jpg
http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncannyxmen4520031qj2.jpg
http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncannyxmen4520033jj8.jpg

And the "dogs" are personification of pleasant emotions in mindscape fight. I'm smart enough to understand that, thank you.

That's why overfeeding with pleasant emotions was presented as containment tactic- it worked well from much lesser telepath who isn't your "Ms Strong Will" of the year.

Emma has plenty of experience in the battles of wills- be it on astral plane or in one's mindscape- the only difference is battleground. The tactic is quite similiar.

By attempying psionic exorcism (not energy blast like Disruptor) you're heading STRAIGHT into my mindscape.

In fact, during that intrusion I can easily attack back, temporary depowering you. Like done to Empath who tried to invade Emma's mindscape?
http://img165.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newmutants02613oe3.jpg
http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newmutants02614un6.jpg

Higher caliber? How'bout Exodus (temporary depowered enough to be KOed by Nightcrawler). That's not mindscape shuffle, though, but long range attack (from New York to Antarctica).
http://img126.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen205006ey1.jpg
http://img126.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen205007kt5.jpg

Other flashy powers (some of them, like density control, are extremely useless, since, unlike Moonstone shifty Martians (and your Dark Angel from your own claim) phase extradimensionaly, leaving the ghosty after-image behind) would be cut out from you as long as you set foot into my mindscape (and get PWNed).
http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan05xz7.jpg
http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan12ff6.jpg

By engaging Exodus (who is for sure superior to Dark Angel) in telepathic combat Emma cuts him from his other powers. So.. there goes your flashy display.

NOTHING you have shown (and you have shown Angel deflecting raw psionic energy blasts from the bunch of nobodies) suggests she has enough skill to safely invade into the mindscape of superior telepath armed with generic information.

That's it. Aside from databases, we have generic info on opposition (powersets etc). The weakness known only to 3 people in the universe isn't generic information, I presume:




The cranial siphon and assimilation of minds for Death Head II is common knowledge, thus exorcism would work (specifically considering HOW that works on cyborgs). I'm not shooting myself into the foot by announsing that.

And I'm certainly not utilising the weakness known only to 3 people in character's respective universe. The "generic knowledge" rule is also valid only on opposition- it's presumed you know all about your team, that's what the major application of no CIS rules. Your characters can act OOC, but in regards of opposition, unless having specific databace on them, exotic weaknesses can't be used.

NOTHING you have shown shows Dark Angel's experience in mindscape battles (or astral plane ones- they're not different in terms of tactics, the only global difference is battleground).

http://img301.imageshack.us/my.php?image=angel12rm8.jpg
http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=angel13xb7.jpg
http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=angel14cv9.jpg

That's telepathic exorcism, right? At least you presented it as one when defending your precious Minion Prime. If you're now denying that fact, then maybe next you'll be denying the very "Minion Prime" tactic of yours.

I've also shown, that mental blocks can be easily removed mid-battle and being amalgamated isn't preventing from doing that (in the post above).

If, like Digi himself said, it's mental blocks that matter for M'gann and Peak Martians- then it can be done mid-battle, and IS really a matter of seconds.

By attempting to enter my mindscape on the start of the battle, Digi has PWNed himself

Quick summary:

-Dark Angel entering Emma's mindscape=PWNed Dark Angel. Psionic inhibitors in her mind, that worked on Exodus (!), would prevent the attempted "outflashing" me with powers.

-The medical databases thing is valid, as Oracle has access to JSA and JLA archives and much more. I suppose Digi wants the scan of Oracle scanning Superman in person.

On that, I'd ask him to show Minion assimilate a magic user (magic in MU=usually soul+training) and actually using his magical powers.

-Techno is a PAWN in that battle. With all the "faux Kryptonian" thingy I want to do two things.
One is killing your "Moonfire" (should be playsible, given the nature of Moonstone's phasing), and the other one- distracting Minion in beating and assimilating her so he can remain tangible and stand still for a second- that is needed to deliever Soul Sword to him

-Soul Sword is immaterial and it doesn't depend on hardness of the victim's body (the body is ignored). As long as you're not "phasing out" your soul (which is impossible, especially with Moonstone's powers, which are density control), the exorcism will happen.

And you've used the possibility of exorcism on Minion as one of the proofs of him assimilating souls.

-The "psychic anchor" trap might or might not be activated - it depends on curcumstances.
Quick PWNage of Dark Angel in mindscape shuffle gives maybe enough opening to utilise that, but since Minion would be standing still at least for a second, the exorcism with Soul Sword on him would work.

Loose ends

Digi mentioned "faux cosmic awareness" as the way to get information on my team whereabouts.

However, we also have something like that into our posession:
http://img107.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncannyxmen496012el4.jpg
http://img411.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncannyxmen496013cj9.jpg

"Osmosis" thing works quite similiar to thatwink

Charlotte DeBel
Scans-only post

Exorcism

The demonic being which is obliterated there has taken control over Dormammu's and Mephisto's realms etc.
Think about some very potent magical amp destroyed therewink

The Archenemy. The literal "deus ex machina"- the computer build to sum up magical knowledge, and then starting to absorb magical energy of Limbo and other Hell realities (such as Dormammu's and Mephisto's).

The Soulsword was able to perform exorcism on THAT.
http://img232.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenmagik4of418fs1.jpg

Aka high-onmipotent magical being.

DigiMark007
Digi Post #5

Debunking the debunking (again)

I almost feel guilty with how quickly I'm going to disprove Charlotte's entire 6th post. Seriously, a couple quotes, 1-2 paragraphs, and a single scan. Her whole hypothesis with Minion (and it's just that: hypothesis. Not corroborated with evidence) depends on a flawed assumption about him, and also about the Marvels powers.

1. Her premise is based on the assumption that each personality is housed separately inside Minion somehow, and that the Marvel's lightning bolt would destroy the other "unauthorized personalities" (her words, not mine).
http://img265.imageshack.us/my.php?image=miniongk9.jpg
They all exist in the same mindscape. There isn't a differentiation. The only reason Death's Head personality shines through a bit more than he others is because his is cybernetic, and thus interacts with Minion's tech-body more easily.

2. Also, when has a lightning bolt transformation ever destroyed others' personalities? By her account, only Shazam avatars are "authorized." Did it destroy Superman's psyche in the scans she showed? Black Alice's? Or how about the rogue personality when Black Adam was possessed by another? Or when Mr. Mind has taken over Cpt. Marvel's mind repeated times by burrowing into it?! One time, Charlotte. Show it to me. Otherwise, you're almost insultingly off base here.

So the lines, charts, graphs, whatever. Debunked, right the hell there.

Believe it if you have to judges. But it's complete sh*t. Charlotte's never read a Minion comic in her life, and is pulling up insanely asinine Marvel scans that make no sense with her points. I researched every aspect of my transformation. It's all legit. Most of it is in the post that Charlotte quoted earlier. The rest is interspersed throughout this thread. Don't let desperate rants debunk meticulous research that proves itself every step of the way.

Debunking over. About 1/5 of my post limit.

Other Stuff

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
That's POSESSION. Which is banned from the tourney.

Christ. The possession rule was created solely in regards to telepathy, banning telepathic possession as an offensive weapon. You're using the term "possession" in a completely different sense.

Oh, and btw, declaring things illegal only works if you're the one making the rules. That's ill's job. It's not true just because you say it is. And in this case, it's entirely false, because he ok'd every part of my plan, and has also repeatedly ok'd it in public and PM multiple times when people try similar tactics. It's been approved ad nauseum. Nothing's illegal. And that's not my opinion, like yours is. It's objective, irrefutable, verifiable, fact. People need to stop trying to get it declared illegal, or trying to get the judges to believe it. It's attempting to make up rules on your own, has already been tried, and is shoddy debating.

And I don't care who is "piloting" Minion, btw. They still have access to the skills of everyone inside, so it's the same pwnage regardless.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Drafting Mary Batson, Freddy Freeman and Amon Tomaz for 5 points each and having them "Shazam up" during prep is illegal (and that's what Digi does there). That would be akin to drafting Bruce Banner for 5 points and having him to transform into low-herald Hulk in prep.

I drafted them for 30 each, thanks. Then (legally) retained their minds/souls through the rest of the tourney. Obvious lies don't play well with the voters.

And see my last response to a quote for my thoughts. Making up rules that don't exist angers me. If I ever said something was illegal, I checked with delph first. Feel free to PM him. But we both already know what the answer will be.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
And BTW, how does physical intangibility translates into having your soul\essence "intangible"? Cause sword hits not the body, but soul or essence.

Intangible = unhittable. Nothing to hit. You go right through it. Or, oh wait, I'm sorry, you're right....every phaser's souls remain perfectly tangible when they phase into something...

.... no expression

That's just a dumb argument. You can't hit intangible, unless you have a specific frequency

Btw, ya still gotta hit Minion's head to do it, tangible or not. And I'm STILL fast enough to cave in the skulls of your entire team in microseconds.

Hey! KK shattering diamond. On his own.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/Adventure_365-16.jpg

Now give him Class Herald strength, and Mach 10 flight. Think Emma's gonna last long?

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Exorcism of Malice on Karima Shapandar (and Soul Dagger is a mere fraction of real Soulsword, mind you).
http://img186.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan11hn3.jpg
Karima talks about her memory banks being totally f*cked up after said exorcism.
http://img301.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenlegacy208zonemegangdx0.jpg

Once again, the sword attacks not the posessed body, but the soul:
http://img396.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sworduz1.jpg

Judges. These are the same scans. It's probably all she has. And guess what?

I'm still intangible. The whole team, including Minion.

Those swords look pretty damn physical to me. They attack the soul, yes, we know Charlotte. You've said that a billion times. Doesn't mean you have the proof you need.

And if you did (you don't) I'm too fast for you. Ha.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
But Digi, darling, you did say yourselves, than J'onn's DNA doesn't matter?

I did. I was (and still am) confused as hell as to why you wasted your time on the martian DNA stuff, which you knew was worthless.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Superman data

It was shown, that a)Superman's detailed files are at least present at JSA medical databases

Yet you still only accessed the JLA medical files in prep. Doesn't change facts.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
I've shown that such data is present and is actively used by superhero community

No, you've shown that she keeps names, addresses. If you had the scans, you'd show them. Thus, you don't.

Loose Ends

- Forgot to address this earlier. Minion can and has assimilated computer systems (Death's Head, for one. Reed Richards' entire computer systems in the Baxter building, etc.). I'll show scans if needed. But it was implied that the calculative abilities of MN'er's tech implants would be assimilated and used along with his mind. Charlotte mentioned that he was worthless without them, which isn't completely true, but he is far less useful without them. But in any case, they're in MNer's brain, so the assimilation would have included them by default. Nuf said.

- PC feats are canon for the Legion. I'm not trying to pull a fast one on you guys.

- At one point she said Angel couldn't use her density powers while phased. Seems a bit odd. The two aren't related, and she remains in the universe. Tk doesn't require being at regular density.

- Angel's a powerful telepath. Somehow Charlotte wants to scan-blitz you guys into thinking Emma's better. Maybe she is. But they're similar, and both quite powerful. I don't really care who is stronger. Angel's there for tp defense, which she provides admirably. NOT for a tp attack & win. I don't need it, because frankly my energy blasts, strength, speed, intangibility, etc. etc. are more than enough.

- I think Charlotte uses "astral combat" and "telepathy" interchangeably. I'm a little confused, because they aren't the same. In any case, I'm not going into astral combat. Never wanted to, never will. Not even sure if I can. But it means you can ignore the Emma scans about such things.

- Telepathy and a sword beating a team that could realistically destroy the planet, and can't be hit. Judges, do the math. If you believe my plan (you should), I win in a ludicrous stomp.

- Random scans supporting everything:

KK vs. a FLASH
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/Adventure373-17.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/Adventure373-18.jpg

Moonstone phasing others (for Minion)
http://img522.imageshack.us/my.php?image=phasesothersje7.jpg

Angel's teleportation, making her even more elusive:
http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=angel22tv6.jpg
or
http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=angel23sx1.jpg
or (in battle)
http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=angel24zh7.jpg

Soul assimilation justifications (for reference):
http://img383.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dh1dx2.jpg
http://img383.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dh2nz5.jpg
or
http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dh17ar2.jpg
http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dh18uq9.jpg
or the exorcism, which is impossible without a soul.
http://img301.imageshack.us/my.php?image=angel12rm8.jpg
http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=angel13xb7.jpg
http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=angel14cv9.jpg

Minion's awe-inspiring blade arm:
http://img254.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dh16rt9.jpg

...not the most relevant scan to end on, but I needed some pure awesome to finish off all the serious stuff.

Charlotte DeBel
OK, guys- my last posts before the deadline- I won't be online any more before deadline, so I'm going to post anything I need now. I'll break it in a few sections.

I. Soulsword

http://uncannyxmen.net/images/article/soulsword1.jpg

So, let's break down its properties.

The Soulsword affects the souls and breaks down magical enchantments.

Depowers Captain Britain in a single hit.
http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=79144488kl2.jpg

General exorcism
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1124673_Excalibur_085_p22/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1124633_Excalibur_085_p23/

"Digital" exorcism- cyborgs get KOed and amnesiac as the result
http://img186.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan11hn3.jpg

Karima talks about being amnesiac after Malice expelled from her body- her memory banks are totally f*cked up
http://img301.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenlegacy208zonemegangdx0.jpg

'Uber'-digital exorcism performed on Archenemy- the computer who was originally build to collect magical knowledge, but assimilated it and took control over Dormammu's and Mephisto's realms of Hell
http://img232.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenmagik4of418fs1.jpg
http://img224.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenmagik4of419oy0.jpg
http://img232.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenmagik4of420qo6.jpg

Phasing=not pancure. Exorcism can be performed on intangible beings as well- the Soulsword in hands of Magik hurts Kitty Pryde in phased state
http://img46.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncanny171page14mv8.jpg

Body durability=not pancure. Normally it hurts\damages only magical amps, creatures and frees souls (the only exceptions are the people linked to the sword on mental level- in their case body damage is caused as the result of soul magic- see Kitty Pryde above- but even then it violates normal laws of physics, hurting phased being).
http://img396.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sworduz1.jpg

I.I. General points about Archmage

First of all, the "free addition" to Soulsword- promethium armour.
Aside from having shapeshifting and unlimited energy powers (MU's promethium is the same stuff Death Metal's body made of- and Digi's pretty familiar with Death Metal)
http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=excalibur037p06uv1.jpg

However, it's just the one perk of armour. It offers total protection against beings of magic, being unshatterable even by the most powerful spells.
http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=blacksun2pg05iv1.jpg
Note also the sword's ability to destroy the spells.

And who're the Marvels, again?Beings of magic
http://img232.imageshack.us/my.php?image=outsiders10pyratep09og7.jpg


And now, we're coming to the sweetest part. The Soulsword can't boost one's sorcerers knowledge or arsenal of spells, but it can do another thing, leading to considerable boost of magical energy- it gives access to unlimited dimension of said energy, thus the ability of cast spells is amped- they get unlimited energy supply due to energy constantly being channeled into the sword from Limbo:
http://img232.imageshack.us/my.php?image=excalibur039p18jx8.jpg

Normally, the containment spell like that one:
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1125602_12/

Or that one:
http://img232.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alphaflightv108815gl2.jpg
http://img232.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alphaflightv108816xr7.jpg

won't last too long. However, imagine that boosted by dimension worth of energy. Amazing? Spectacular?

And would hold Minion Prime still for a fraction of second needed to teleport next to him and struck Soulsword into the random parts of the body (since it's not physical sword, I can allow not to aim specifically for vital organs in one's body). That's all that is needed for exorcism.

Teleportation is the reflex ability and is activated without much spell casting.
Here, Amanda teleports in mid-fall from the cliff.
http://img232.imageshack.us/my.php?image=excalibur08412qa5.jpg

Teleport, containment spell (can be aimed on your magic signature instead of your body, if you're moving too fast to see you with naked eyes) and one hit, which, unlike in MAs, can be aimed COMPLETELY randomly and I can aim for pretty much anything as long as it's the part of Minion's body.

I've shown in the writeup that Winding Way benefits from different ways of magic incorporated into it- and combination of Winding Way magic and Homo Magi magic is beneficial for the user.

Zach might be (and is) unable to affect human beings directly by himself (weakness covered by Amanda's soul-oriented magic). However, that doesn't mean he's a lamer in general.

Being one of the 4 mages participating in famous "Chocolate Egg Cream" feat (even if he did the lesser part of the job) probably was not simply due to the fact he was Zatanna's cousin? Or does it have something to do with his skills?
http://img225.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dc52week50018qa8.jpg
http://img225.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dc52week50019nu5.jpg
http://img225.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dc52week50020ko1.jpg

And magical reserve of Archmage can be regenerated\amped in any moment due to free energy from Soulsword.
Nice stuff, isn't it?

II. Emeralda says "No" to the nonsence

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/304/xph12copyue3.jpg

Let's get the fact straight- Digi has a telepath with no shown proof of experience in mindscape fights "mind-to-mind". He's shown one single scan of Dark Angel withstanding blasts of raw psionic energy (borderline TK) to show her being qualified enough to enter the mindscape of one of the top 5 telepaths on the Earth and performing TELEPATHIC exorcism on her mind (exorcism of personality who also isn't that good in mind-to-mind shuffles and was kept in bay via being attacked by pleasant emotions visualised as dogs).

Judges, note! Any kind of telepathic battle "mind-to-mind", whether it happens in one's mindscape or on astral plane, is NOT different in terms of tactics- the only difference is battleground. They ALL are battles of skill, will and confidence/

And in both astral AND mindscape combat Emma is superior.

Rachel Summers is owned
http://img362.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncannyxmen4520019kk9.jpg
http://img295.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncannyxmen4520021ag7.jpg
http://img158.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncannyxmen4520025uw5.jpg
http://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncannyxmen4520027pz7.jpg
http://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncannyxmen4520029ua7.jpg
http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncannyxmen4520031qj2.jpg
http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncannyxmen4520033jj8.jpg

Professor Xavier is owned within his own mindscape
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1260723_X-Men_-_Legacy_#216_002/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1260724_X-Men_-_Legacy_#216_003/
http://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenlegacy216004zo0.jpg
http://img223.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenlegacy216005oy3.jpg
http://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenlegacy216006wn3.jpg

Recent ownage of 7 Superscrulls trained specifically to combat top tier Earth telepaths within their own mindscape. Done when physically separated from her body (which is in the state of clinical death).
http://img401.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sixmen003002db3.jpg
http://img128.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sixmen003004tj2.jpg
http://img84.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sixmen003007vg5.jpg
http://img84.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sixmen003008xe8.jpg

Other powers doesn't matter, they can be nullified as long as Dark Angel steps her foot into Emma's mindscape. Exodus was completely blocked from accessing his other powers, and unlike him, Dark Angel has NO proven experience of mind to mind fights with other telepaths:
http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan12ff6.jpg

So the depowerment can be performed without risking your own powers. Teleportation, density powers... everything gets canceled the next moment Dark Angel enters the mind to mind contact.

Dark Angel is a roadkill. And she became it once she tried to engage one of the planet's top 5 (or probably even top 3, since Sinister is inferior to her and Jean is dead) in telepathic combat.

Since she dies so quickly (it's telepathic version of Batgirl vs Karate Kid, really), killing Firemoon with a casual mind blast (both Karla Soften and Firehawk have ZERO protection from telepathy on THAT level) is a piece of cake.

And above I have explained what happens to Minion Prime.

Techno's role is just a bait- to make Minion Prime stand still for a second to perform assimilation and thus leave opening for the hit (I suppose you can't assimilate one's mind and dodge on top speed.

Whether the judges believe the Kryptonian amp or not is left entirely to them, I've explained everything about it. Techno is a sacrifice to take opponent's biggest figure (Minion Prime) out of the game.

As for Martian thing, I ask judges to disregard that part of my prep.

Considering (as shown above) the problem being in the mental blocks, ability of Emma remove mental blocks quickly mid-battle and the ability to do that on herself (inferior telepaths such as Dark Angel aren't that big of an obstacle)- I can get what I want mid-battle, should there be need to go physical with you.
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That's all for now. Good luck to my opponentwink

Charlotte DeBel
Scans-only post #2

In my post above I briefly touched Soulsword being the embodiment of Limbo. Now I'm posting some more scans on that.

Soulsword originally was the embodiment of magical powers of original Magik (Illyana Rasputina), which she gained inside Limbo:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Stats/DoomSorcery10Excalibur37.jpg

Unlike Illyana, who depended mostly on sword's reserves to work her magic, Amanda Sefton (aka Jimaine Szardos) was really promicing sorceress (listed among the best in the world) prior to gaining that
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1125480_Man-Thing_v2_011-14/

The "Winding Way"'s pecularity are jumping energy reserves.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1124741_Excalibur_077_p10-11/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1124741_Excalibur_077_p10-11/

Margali Szardos got her hands on the sword while being at the lowest point of her power - but she was able to use the sword to restore her energy and kill most of the magicans ahead of her on the Winding Way, as well as use its energy to create a new body for herself.
http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=excalibur10009ct1.jpg

DigiMark007
Digi Post #6

Woof.

This may be my last post. I'm not sure when I'll be in tonight. If it is, good match Charlotte.

Item #1

Charlotte offered no further objections to Minion Prime after I recently debunked her claims, which were based on flatly false assumptions about the characters that I put to rest. It's 1 hive-mind, if you will, and the lightning bolts have never damaged a secondary psyche in the many times transformations have taken place with multiple personalities inside.

Based on the lack of further argument, I must conclude that she has no further objections. She even referred to him as Minion Prime in her last post, the first time she has done so all match in a non-debunking manner.

Judges, if she does present further objections, the current ones are already debunked. She would need to present an entirely new reason, not a re-hashed old one. And it would need to overcome the evidence I've produced myself, as well as the inadvertent help she's given me with her scans.

Remember, I proved Minion has souls, I proved the souls activate the Marvels' powers, and I (and Charlotte's scans) proved that they can exist in a different host body and still work fine, without damaging either the body or the other personalities inside of it.

Item #2

The soulsword. Charlotte LOVES flooding matches with scans. Some help, others are needless. But here's the bottom line: After mercilessly killing their sacrificial character that was part of the failed plan (remember, she faced me 1-on-3 at the start in hopes that I would telepathically attack Oracle. I didn't.), Minion's job is to stay alive, out of combat, phased, and only to contribute if absolutely necessary. Because my other 2 can win from there.

Then add that to my reflexes that literally border on Flash level. MNer has taken out Quicksilver-level speedsters, the Marvels are a blur to human eyes, and KK has actually matched a Flash in reaction time with his skill. I've showed all of that, specifically, numerous times with scans, dotted throughout the thread.

A few human-reaction-time people would be moving in ultra-slow motion to Minion. Not only could a sword never hit me, nothing could in this fight. If you believe otherwise, I'm sorry but you're wrong. Speedster vs. unskilled human level. End of story.


Oh, and the souls/minds are still in the mind of Minion. That wouldn't be included in "basic knowledge" and random cuts from the sword wouldn't do anything. And by that time, Minion would have killed you 9 times over.

And all I see are soulsword feats. They don't make you faster, Char. It's still like if you or I were trying to tag Karate Kid with Herald-level speed, and with the ability to calculate every eventuality in a fight (MNer). Woof.

Item #3

Dark Angel. Despite the fact that I've repeatedly stated that Angel's mainly there for tp defense, Charlotte insists that I'm going for all-out tp warfare.

Btw, I never blow my load too early in a match, and I always keep a trump card in reserve. Been saving these for a special occasion.

Dark Angel can channel others' telepathic energy, and turn that pain into destructive force which she then releases on her opponent:
http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=angel18vg7.jpg
http://img119.imageshack.us/my.php?image=angel19sx5.jpg
http://img119.imageshack.us/my.php?image=angel20ah4.jpg
See, Charlotte? It doesn't take dozens of scans. All it takes is one epic feat to prove you wrong.

And just because we like to see a feat repeated:
http://img119.imageshack.us/my.php?image=angel16xk3.jpg
She can channel even physical pain into psychic energy.

So let's be clear here. All the tp skill Emma's displayed in the scans. All the power. I wanted that to happen. And now I turn it back against her. Everything tp feat Charlotte posted was damage to her own team.

I can't stress that enough. I just negated about 1/2 of Charlotte's last 3-4 posts. But not just negated it, but used it against her. Buh-bye.

Item #4

So let's see. Minion, check. Sword, check. Tp, check. I feel like I'm forgetting something.

Random stuff then, eh? Let's see....oh, Death Metal's promethium body was heavily enchanted by a Skyfather-level character (Charnel) who ruled an entire world. Comparing regular promethium to DM is like comparing a steel hammer to Mjolnir.

Remember, they'd have to tag Minion directly in the cranium while moving at speeds about 1000 slower (not hyperbole, that might actually be generous to them), 1000 less skilled, and also while fighting for their lives against 2 other superior opponents. Minion could fly randomly at a distance at Mach 10 while my other 2 kill her remaining 2. Impossible to hit, and still available if it comes to a fight.

As before, and as usual, if you believe my plan, I win easily and hands-down. And chances are I win even without Minion Prime, but it's a straight whuppin' with him in the lineup.

Believe.

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/4792/minionprime1hz8.jpg

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DigiMark007
Good match Charlotte. Sorry you ran into the buzzsaw that is team Digi ( wink ). But it's always a pleasure debating against you. And I'll see you in the playoffs.

Charlotte DeBel
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Good match Charlotte. Sorry you ran into the buzzsaw that is team Digi ( wink ). But it's always a pleasure debating against you. And I'll see you in the playoffs.

Good match as well. And "buzzsaw" is a nice parallel...you're making a lot of buzz in the tourney.

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