Digi Post #5
Debunking the debunking (again)
I almost feel guilty with how quickly I'm going to disprove Charlotte's entire 6th post. Seriously, a couple quotes, 1-2 paragraphs, and a single scan. Her whole hypothesis with Minion (and it's just that: hypothesis. Not corroborated with evidence) depends on a flawed assumption about him, and also about the Marvels powers.
1. Her premise is based on the assumption that each personality is housed separately inside Minion somehow, and that the Marvel's lightning bolt would destroy the other "unauthorized personalities" (her words, not mine).
http://img265.imageshack.us/my.php?image=miniongk9.jpg
They all exist in the same mindscape. There isn't a differentiation. The only reason Death's Head personality shines through a bit more than he others is because his is cybernetic, and thus interacts with Minion's tech-body more easily.
2. Also, when has a lightning bolt transformation ever destroyed others' personalities? By her account, only Shazam avatars are "authorized." Did it destroy Superman's psyche in the scans she showed? Black Alice's? Or how about the rogue personality when Black Adam was possessed by another? Or when Mr. Mind has taken over Cpt. Marvel's mind repeated times by burrowing into it?! One time, Charlotte. Show it to me. Otherwise, you're almost insultingly off base here.
So the lines, charts, graphs, whatever. Debunked, right the hell there.
Believe it if you have to judges. But it's complete sh*t. Charlotte's never read a Minion comic in her life, and is pulling up insanely asinine Marvel scans that make no sense with her points. I researched every aspect of my transformation. It's all legit. Most of it is in the post that Charlotte quoted earlier. The rest is interspersed throughout this thread. Don't let desperate rants debunk meticulous research that proves itself every step of the way.
Debunking over. About 1/5 of my post limit.
Other Stuff
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
That's POSESSION. Which is banned from the tourney.
Christ. The possession rule was created solely in regards to telepathy, banning telepathic possession as an offensive weapon. You're using the term "possession" in a completely different sense.
Oh, and btw, declaring things illegal only works if you're the one making the rules. That's ill's job. It's not true just because you say it is. And in this case, it's entirely false, because he ok'd every part of my plan, and has also repeatedly ok'd it in public and PM multiple times when people try similar tactics. It's been approved ad nauseum. Nothing's illegal. And that's not my opinion, like yours is. It's objective, irrefutable, verifiable, fact. People need to stop trying to get it declared illegal, or trying to get the judges to believe it. It's attempting to make up rules on your own, has already been tried, and is shoddy debating.
And I don't care who is "piloting" Minion, btw. They still have access to the skills of everyone inside, so it's the same pwnage regardless.
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Drafting Mary Batson, Freddy Freeman and Amon Tomaz for 5 points each and having them "Shazam up" during prep is illegal (and that's what Digi does there). That would be akin to drafting Bruce Banner for 5 points and having him to transform into low-herald Hulk in prep.
I drafted them for 30 each, thanks. Then (legally) retained their minds/souls through the rest of the tourney. Obvious lies don't play well with the voters.
And see my last response to a quote for my thoughts. Making up rules that don't exist angers me. If I ever said something was illegal, I checked with delph first. Feel free to PM him. But we both already know what the answer will be.
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
And BTW, how does physical intangibility translates into having your soul\essence "intangible"? Cause sword hits not the body, but soul or essence.
Intangible = unhittable. Nothing to hit. You go right through it. Or, oh wait, I'm sorry, you're right....every phaser's souls remain perfectly tangible when they phase into something...
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That's just a dumb argument. You can't hit intangible, unless you have a specific frequency
Btw, ya still gotta hit Minion's head to do it, tangible or not. And I'm STILL fast enough to cave in the skulls of your entire team in microseconds.
Hey! KK shattering diamond. On his own.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/Adventure_365-16.jpg
Now give him Class Herald strength, and Mach 10 flight. Think Emma's gonna last long?
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Exorcism of Malice on Karima Shapandar (and Soul Dagger is a mere fraction of real Soulsword, mind you).
http://img186.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan11hn3.jpg
Karima talks about her memory banks being totally f*cked up after said exorcism.
http://img301.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenlegacy208zonemegangdx0.jpg
Once again, the sword attacks not the posessed body, but the soul:
http://img396.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sworduz1.jpg
Judges. These are the same scans. It's probably all she has. And guess what?
I'm still intangible. The whole team, including Minion.
Those swords look pretty damn physical to me. They attack the soul, yes, we know Charlotte. You've said that a billion times. Doesn't mean you have the proof you need.
And if you did (you don't) I'm too fast for you. Ha.
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
But Digi, darling, you did say yourselves, than J'onn's DNA doesn't matter?
I did. I was (and still am) confused as hell as to why you wasted your time on the martian DNA stuff, which you knew was worthless.
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Superman data
It was shown, that a)Superman's detailed files are at least present at JSA medical databases
Yet you still only accessed the JLA medical files in prep. Doesn't change facts.
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
I've shown that such data is present and is actively used by superhero community
No, you've shown that she keeps names, addresses. If you had the scans, you'd show them. Thus, you don't.
Loose Ends
- Forgot to address this earlier. Minion can and has assimilated computer systems (Death's Head, for one. Reed Richards' entire computer systems in the Baxter building, etc.). I'll show scans if needed. But it was implied that the calculative abilities of MN'er's tech implants would be assimilated and used along with his mind. Charlotte mentioned that he was worthless without them, which isn't completely true, but he is far less useful without them. But in any case, they're in MNer's brain, so the assimilation would have included them by default. Nuf said.
- PC feats are canon for the Legion. I'm not trying to pull a fast one on you guys.
- At one point she said Angel couldn't use her density powers while phased. Seems a bit odd. The two aren't related, and she remains in the universe. Tk doesn't require being at regular density.
- Angel's a powerful telepath. Somehow Charlotte wants to scan-blitz you guys into thinking Emma's better. Maybe she is. But they're similar, and both quite powerful. I don't really care who is stronger. Angel's there for tp defense, which she provides admirably. NOT for a tp attack & win. I don't need it, because frankly my energy blasts, strength, speed, intangibility, etc. etc. are more than enough.
- I think Charlotte uses "astral combat" and "telepathy" interchangeably. I'm a little confused, because they aren't the same. In any case, I'm not going into astral combat. Never wanted to, never will. Not even sure if I can. But it means you can ignore the Emma scans about such things.
- Telepathy and a sword beating a team that could realistically destroy the planet, and can't be hit. Judges, do the math. If you believe my plan (you should), I win in a ludicrous stomp.
- Random scans supporting everything:
KK vs. a FLASH
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/Adventure373-17.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/Adventure373-18.jpg
Moonstone phasing others (for Minion)
http://img522.imageshack.us/my.php?image=phasesothersje7.jpg
Angel's teleportation, making her even more elusive:
http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=angel22tv6.jpg
or
http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=angel23sx1.jpg
or (in battle)
http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=angel24zh7.jpg
Soul assimilation justifications (for reference):
http://img383.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dh1dx2.jpg
http://img383.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dh2nz5.jpg
or
http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dh17ar2.jpg
http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dh18uq9.jpg
or the exorcism, which is impossible without a soul.
http://img301.imageshack.us/my.php?image=angel12rm8.jpg
http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=angel13xb7.jpg
http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=angel14cv9.jpg
Minion's awe-inspiring blade arm:
http://img254.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dh16rt9.jpg
...not the most relevant scan to end on, but I needed some pure awesome to finish off all the serious stuff.