S03E08 - Villains

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S_D_J
Official Episode Preview


To prepare for the confrontation ahead, Hiro explores what forces - and familiar faces - helped twist Sylar, Flint and Arthur Petrelli into Villains.



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Discuss...

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SpaceMonkey
Good stuff.

Mairuzu
I wonder why sylar tried to open elles head right before she went nuts and exploded with electrical energy

Captain REX
Because he wanted to shoot lightning out of ass, obviously.

Blue_Hefner
Meredith worked for the Company??? O_o

S_D_J
Originally posted by Blue_Hefner
Meredith worked for the Company??? O_o

I think it was obvious when HRG brought her back to look after Claire and the family....

... but it was only decided this season, hence the next episode will try to clean up the mess by trying to explain not everything came out of the blue this season

@stroFan
Am I forgetting something? Why did Claire seem so pissed off by Tracy?

Entity
What gets me is that Sylar and Elle never showed the slightest hit of a former acquaintance to one another before. And to my understanding he'd had absolutely no idea of his powers until he'd met Mohinder's father in Six months ago.

God all this bullshit is just ridiculous. They need to just follow their own damn rules and now their screwing with their own history to boot. It really pisses me off.

Otherwise I'm wondering if Meredith worked for the company then wouldn't she have known Noah? And that begs the question that perhaps she's known about his raising Claire as his own for quite some time.


Something else, since Sylar apparently is a Petrelli then shouldn't Nathan recall losing a baby brother or something to that effect?

Mairuzu
Originally posted by @stroFan
Am I forgetting something? Why did Claire seem so pissed off by Tracy? wuht.

S_D_J
Originally posted by Entity
What gets me is that Sylar and Elle never showed the slightest hit of a former acquaintance to one another before. And to my understanding he'd had absolutely no idea of his powers until he'd met Mohinder's father in Six months ago.

God all this bullshit is just ridiculous. They need to just follow their own damn rules and now their screwing with their own history to boot. It really pisses me off.

Otherwise I'm wondering if Meredith worked for the company then wouldn't she have known Noah? And that begs the question that perhaps she's known about his raising Claire as his own for quite some time.


Something else, since Sylar apparently is a Petrelli then shouldn't Nathan recall losing a baby brother or something to that effect?

Yep, they screwed up many things with the convoluted story and out of nowhere (read that out of logic) plot twist

Meredith obviously knew Noah, they wouldn't be buddy-buddies now if that wasn't the case... and I'm betting Meredith knew about him raising Claire, since she was supposed to let it happen and not get involved

Originally posted by @stroFan
Am I forgetting something? Why did Claire seem so pissed off by Tracy?
Yeah, I didn't get that either

Captain REX
Blonde ***** that her bio-dad is flaunting might be a bit of a put-off... though from Claire's POV.

@stroFan
Originally posted by Captain REX
Blonde ***** that her bio-dad is flaunting might be a bit of a put-off... though from Claire's POV.


She is becoming a real *****. laughing out loud

Captain REX
Agreed. I miss Claire thinking she could help people with her ability, rather than just thinking she will never be taken down.

Mairuzu
She still thinks she can help... shes just more annoying imo

Captain REX
I meant more the 'I can cure cancer with my blood!' rather than the 'Villains can't hurt me so I can obviously beat them' idea.

Mairuzu
Haha, i understand now.

Mairuzu
This episode is going to be aired this coming up Monday?

Quincy
Originally posted by Entity
God all this bullshit is just ridiculous. They need to just follow their own damn rules and now their screwing with their own history to boot. It really pisses me off.

Something else, since Sylar apparently is a Petrelli then shouldn't Nathan recall losing a baby brother or something to that effect?

I share your frustration at the disregard for its own established history

S_D_J
Originally posted by Mairuzu
This episode is going to be aired this coming up Monday?
yep, next Monday

Originally posted by Quincy
I share your frustration at the disregard for its own established history
erm

S_D_J
Sneek Peek scenes from next episode

-Arthur and Linderman talk about Nathan
-Sylar and Elle first encounter
-Peter and Nathan at the hospital (after the accident)
-Petrelli Toast
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-Arthur and Angela (after the accident)

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2 new tv spots

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so:

does Arthur takes Hiro's power?

S_D_J
I forgot to post the official episode sypnosis:

"To prepare for the confrontation ahead, Hiro follows respected businessman, husband and father Arthur Petrelli in the days before he "died" -- to discover what drove him to create rival company Pinehearst and strike at Angela. Later, a moment unfolds where Sylar, horrified and guilt-ridden, might have stopped his murderous pursuit of abilities -- that is, if H.R.G. and Elle had swayed from their monstrous assignment. Finally, under the wing of Company man Thompson, agent-in-training Meredith watches her new life go up in smoke, following the arrival of her hot-headed brother."


hot-headed brother, huh? does this mean Flint is Meredith's brother

Entity
Is there anyone on the show Claire's not gonna end up related to? lol

And so Peter did meet Linderman! This is sad then had he know about his power he could've saved Simone! sad

Mairuzu
Originally posted by Entity
Is there anyone on the show Claire's not gonna end up related to? lol

And so Peter did meet Linderman! This is sad then had he know about his power he could've saved Simone! sad Thats the downside of his power

Captain REX
Will Arthur take Hiro's powers?

I think that would spectacularly suck for the victim, but I think perhaps they are beginning to take the route of 'these guys don't need their powers to be heroes.' Otherwise Peter's out of the running, honestly.

Uncle Flint, eh? Oh geez... well, I guess there's a reason he doesn't have a last name, yet.

The scenes above look promising.

Mairuzu
Okay this is confusing, it seems everyone that is related to eachother gets a powers similar to that person


Arthur > peter & sylar


Maury > Matt


Meridith and Flint


maya and her brother (kinda)

What happened with claire and meridith?

Entity
Just because your related doesn't necessarily mean you get the same genetic traits.

Especially when your mixing traits that are so very different. Ex. Fire and Flight. Plus Nathan's abilities apparently aren't natural so that could play a hand in how Claire developed healing too.

Either way I like the sometimes random and sometimes identical powers feel.

Btw Loved watching Peter taking charge like that. He really seems to be allot stronger than he'd been made out to look since the beginning of the show.

Perhaps Peter is the strong one in the family for more than just his powers. He just doesn't use it aggressively like the rest of them do. He seems more defensively strong and take more charge when others need his strength.

Lol that would be ironic, they gain his strength and he gains there's lol

So this whole things just gonna be an expansion of the six months ago episode form season 1? confused

Mairuzu
They are constantly showing flash backs in the middle of every damn volume

Quincy
Anyone else think that their might be more to Nathan now? I'm excited because he's my favorite, and this new Petrelli based storyline is probably gonna bump him up from off the sidelines. I want to see him get involved with the fight.

Mairuzu
Offtopic

Quincy, did you always have that sig? i mean i know ive seen it before but did you just recently change it back from something?


I'm asking because i think ive seen someone using your avatar but they had another sig

Quincy
Hmmm, No I've had that same sig since i first put that avatar on. Haven't changed either of them since.

Really? You think you've seen someone masquerading as me? Looks like I'm going to have to kick someones ass.

Captain REX
Oh, just a thought on the Elle & Sylar relationship, because I've rewatched some of the scenes where they are together or reacting to one another...

In "Powerless" (2x11), Elle realizes that Sylar is in Mohinder's lab. All that comprises their interaction is Elle shouting "Sylar!" and striking at him with lightning, and him running the hell away because he can't fight back.

In "The Butterfly Effect" (3x02), when Sylar attacks Level 5, Elle accuses him of killing her father and he responds by saying he's killed a lot of people, and that she is as much to blame for that as anyone.

At the time, saying that makes no sense, but I can see how they tied in that connection. I remember people saying it was nonsense.

We also don't know anything about Sylar's activities between the murders of Brian Davis and Chandra Suresh, and the murders of Molly Walker's parents.

S_D_J
Originally posted by Captain REX
Will Arthur take Hiro's powers?

I think that would spectacularly suck for the victim, but I think perhaps they are beginning to take the route of 'these guys don't need their powers to be heroes.' Otherwise Peter's out of the running, honestly.

Uncle Flint, eh? Oh geez... well, I guess there's a reason he doesn't have a last name, yet.

The scenes above look promising.

I don't know about Hiro, but according to spoilers I read about coming episodes he still have an uses his powers

plus, there's the official synopsis for next episode:



Originally posted by Entity
....

So this whole things just gonna be an expansion of the six months ago episode form season 1? confused
pretty much

Quincy
Originally posted by Quincy
Anyone else think that their might be more to Nathan now? I'm excited because he's my favorite, and this new Petrelli based storyline is probably gonna bump him up from off the sidelines. I want to see him get involved with the fight.

Anyone agree with me? Dang.

Captain REX
I agree, actually. I always liked Nathan as a character, he is one of my favorites.

Captain REX
Good episode, I thought. They meshed it well with previous episodes.

New powers shown! Metal man and mind bullets!

And I wonder if Arthur has the Haitian's ability or if he used the Haitian to erase Angela's memories. Either way, somehow he got a hold of telepathy. I have to wonder if Angela knew his power was to steal other powers, rather than telepathy.

starlock
Ok episode.....i thought the Sylar parts were boring as all hell,some of the episode made me think a little...which was good, but as a whole...it was just a filler episode that had allot of unnecessary scenes and dialog which really did not feel it fit into past continuity

Blue_Hefner
It might just be me, but didn't Arthur 'die' before season 1 started? Or did I miss something?

Endrict Nuul
Arthur may be getting Hiro's power now. Talking about Hiro....hes a total IDIOT! He knows there is danger around. Instead of stopping time right away he would always looks around first and than he gets his ass kicked.

He is driving me nuts, this guy with the most powerful power in the show and hes a idiot.

Mairuzu
Originally posted by Captain REX
Good episode, I thought. They meshed it well with previous episodes.

New powers shown! Metal man and mind bullets!

And I wonder if Arthur has the Haitian's ability or if he used the Haitian to erase Angela's memories. Either way, somehow he got a hold of telepathy. I have to wonder if Angela knew his power was to steal other powers, rather than telepathy. Mind bullets? I thought it was just controlling air? And thats how sylar gets around without any foot steps being heard... and possibly how he climbed that tall building when Matt shot him...Do we need spoilers still?

Shadow_King
Originally posted by Blue_Hefner
It might just be me, but didn't Arthur 'die' before season 1 started? Or did I miss something?

ya he did die before season 1. i think.

Mairuzu
Originally posted by Blue_Hefner
It might just be me, but didn't Arthur 'die' before season 1 started? Or did I miss something? Did you not see this episode?

Blue_Hefner
Originally posted by Mairuzu
Did you not see this episode?

sad

IDK, this episode made it seem like he died after Peter and Mohinder first met. Maybe I need to watch it again. embarrasment

Mairuzu
Originally posted by Blue_Hefner
sad

IDK, this episode made it seem like he died after Peter and Mohinder first met. Maybe I need to watch it again. embarrasment Died after Nathan got in an accident, which was before the first season

Superherovandal
Originally posted by Captain REX
Good episode, I thought. They meshed it well with previous episodes.

New powers shown! Metal man and mind bullets!

And I wonder if Arthur has the Haitian's ability or if he used the Haitian to erase Angela's memories. Either way, somehow he got a hold of telepathy. I have to wonder if Angela knew his power was to steal other powers, rather than telepathy. I don't think he can take the haitian's powers as the haitian would negate his powers.

Gideon
A character trait not limited to just Hiro. Peter, for example, has an even greater and more evolved form of stupidity; I think he's a joke. Which is why Noah, Sylar, Linderman, and the select others are my favorite. Peter and Suresh? They belong in the Idiots' Hall of Fame. You needn't be a genius or a mastermind on this show to simply avoid making repeatedly stupid decisions without consideration of their consequence. Even the so-called badass Future Peter manages to **** everything up by coming into the past; Mommy flat out tells him he's a moron and he needs to get his ass back. But he waits. And waits. And waits. Peter's only virtue is his good intentions and power. But if this ever becomes a hero team, he does not need to be in charge. When someone with a modicum of intelligence gives Peter a command, he should be forced to do it. No free thinking for Peter.

And, yes, Hiro's going fast down that route.

Anyways, this episode reminded me why I love Heroes. It has such a complex and dynamic story of manipulation. In season one, we regarded Noah, Sylar, and Linderman (and Nathan and Thompson to a lesser extent) as the pinnacle of manipulation. In season two, Noah and Sylar reprised their roles as masterminds with the addition of Adam, Angela, and Bob. In season three, we have Maury (though he was merely executing Arthur's agenda), Adam, Sylar, Angela, Linderman (in this episode), and Arthur.

For this particular episode, it seemed like Arthur was the dominant one, with Linderman even somewhat subordinate to him. Arthur would even threaten Linderman ("you may have outlived your usefulness"wink. Angela also seems very subordinate, what I call the Abused Southern Wife, until she becomes aware of Arthur's attempted murder of Nathan. She than conscripts the Hatian (every hero's worst nightmare) to betray and nearly kill Arthur -- though this could be considered a manipulation and betrayal on Linderman's part, since he was the one who "healed" Angela. And then we have Noah manipulating Elle into furthering Sylar's psychopathy at the expense of a human life.

It's a vastly tangled web and it seems that, at one point or another, everyone has manipulated one another. There is no dominant puppeteer; just certain characters more prone to utilize it. Makes for great discussion and hypothesis.

Captain REX
I agree with that analysis. It's always enjoyable when someone it's obviously in control.

Quincy
Lame episode. Shits on established continuity.

Captain REX
I don't understand how it shits on continuity?

Quincy
well that was a little harsh, but I mean I really just dont like the way they changed established stories. I think it's really strange that The Company was just "oh lets just let him do this and that" about Sylar, and then become so Adamant that "OH MY GOD WE MUST CATCH HIM NOW!"

I mean, he was the big guy they HAD to catch. It's just weird that with Sylar, they "observed" him, but they just snag all these other supers immediately. Especially HRG's hand in it. Plus those scenes were just hideously boring. I just think that Elle and Sylar would have had a bit more recollection about meeting each other.

Plus, we were supposed to find out what drove Arthur to become a bad guy, but that's not what I saw. It just showed how he disappeared.

Meredith and the Company? The same people who stole her child? Blargh.

This episode just didn't do it for me.

Magee
Originally posted by Quincy
well that was a little harsh, but I mean I really just dont like the way they changed established stories. I think it's really strange that The Company was just "oh lets just let him do this and that" about Sylar, and then become so Adamant that "OH MY GOD WE MUST CATCH HIM NOW!" Well he had only killed one person, he was not "Sylar" at that point and I think he / they wanted to see why / how he done it. I can't remember season 1 that well but I think he had killed a few people and it was more Noah who was desperatley after him because he was after Claire.

Mairuzu
thought it was a great episode, hopefully it'll continue to please me!

S_D_J
I liked the episode, it was fun... in a way, plus is good to have both Linderman and Thompson show up one more time

though I did find Sylar/Elle bits boring ( I even fast forward them smile )
an really ridiculous, why create him?, and then complain about every single thing he did. that sounds very "Hiro" of them... plus somehow I felt it contradicted the dynamic between Noah, and Gabriel... (futhermore than what was already done this season)

I liked how Angela used the Haitian to catch Arthur


... so, did anyone else know Arthur's real power, or did he always pretend it was Telepathy?

Mairuzu
Adam knew

Blue_Hefner
Originally posted by S_D_J

though I did find Sylar/Elle bits boring ( I even fast forward them smile )
an really ridiculous, why create him??


IDK, maybe the Company thought he was the bomb. embarrasment

Gideon
SDJ, what did you mean by the dynamic between Sylar and Noah?

S_D_J
Originally posted by Gideon
SDJ, what did you mean by the dynamic between Sylar and Noah?

All of the sudden we have HRG being the one who created "Sylar"? why?
was that necessary?
As things are going this season, we already have a Noah who sits comfortably next to Sylar after what he'd done to Claire, sure he tried to kill him and such, but it was too little, too late: I was going along with that just fine

... and now comes this episode telling us he turned Gabriel Gray in to Sylar, but has never show any remorse or a hint that he's to blame for it in the entire show, up until this point?

Sure he was mister bad guy, and needed to be stop, but why show that Bennet had anything to do with it? it's NOT that it makes no sense, it just shows how sloppy this season writing has been so far.

And all he does is sit there, instead of going after him, he already had taped him killing, and knows how he takes the power, so why not just go after him?... sure it wasn't their assignment, but it makes him look like he's got no common sense. Sure HRG was at first thought of a baddie, but he's been known to be an intelligent person, who sometimes let his love for his family cloud his judgement, but still intelligent.

Thompson filled the profile of what Noah was forced to be in this episode, Why not use Thompson then?, had him be Elle's partner?, that would have make a lot more sense, and would sit fine with established continuity... they could have scrapped Meredith out of this episode, since all her involvement did was to show that Flint is Mer's idiot brother... or had Bennet been assigned to Meredith... sure he knew Meredith was Claire's mother, and such, but the reason Thompson let her go could still apply here, plus they make a good team already, so it would make sense for them to be acquainted...

It was not necessary to have Noah being the one to blame for Sylar, and I doubted someone could say it was.... it just wasn't. There was no hint of it whatsoever in the entire series, it was all made in one episode, just this episode, all of the sudden.
Furthermore it doesn't make sense that the Company had no interest in catching Sylar.... It's was very clear that the company knew Sylar had already killed, why not just bagged and tagged him the moment he killed again? The Company's been known to lock away innocent people just because their powers are dangerous ("black hole" Caulfield was directly sent to Level 5) ... but they have no interest in Sylar, other than had him kill again? What the f**k?

I have no problem with Sylar and Elle (even that was a lame attempt to have their future relationship make sense, when there was no relationship whatsoever in the past), even though their dialogue was boring, I still think they make a good couple....I can go along with that... but Noah pleasantly watching Sylar kill was awkward and totally uncalled for....

Mairuzu
wow

Entity
Completely agree on the Noah thing!

It really didn't sit right with me at all. I mean I'd never really considered Noah a "good" guy per-say but had come to like him quite a bit as his seemingly average yet not so average at all joe character he was. He was in a shade of grey but a shade I liked and understood and even to a point, thou not always, agreed with.

They really just violated another one of they're best characters for no reason other than shock value AGAIN! It's becoming exceptionally annoying. I mean the whole Noah/Sylar relationship has never, not even once, even began to hint towards this. And Noah's been insane about keeping him form Claire and now we find that he actually gave him this huge push down the road to psychosis?

When has Noah ever once seemed the least be guilt ridden about Claire's danger being his own fault? Sure he seems extremely concerned about it allot of the time but never like its because he wanted Sylar to kill to begin with.

This whole show is just becoming such a joke now. It's like they're actually trying to shoot their self in the foot in new ways just to see how weird it will be and if it will hurt a new way.

I don't even know if I'm gonna watch anymore really. Well, okay yea I probably will try to but now I'm actually having to talk myself into still giving them the chance for redemption. Use to be I couldn't wait now it's more like I just don't care and can't wait for the end of villains just to see if things get fixed and it goes back to anything even close to what it was. erm

Ushgarak
What was Arthur Petrelli's interest in destroying New York? It doesn't add up with what Angela and Lindeman were doing in S1.

Entity
I really don't see why he wants to trust the entire world with powers. Unless its just to select which ones he'd want for himself since he's become insanly power hungry and just wants to become a god amoung men.

S_D_J
Originally posted by Ushgarak
What was Arthur Petrelli's interest in destroying New York? It doesn't add up with what Angela and Lindeman were doing in S1.

It seems to me that the ultimate goal was the same (had someone with powers in Office) ... what's different is how they were going to do it, and who they were going to use

Arthur plan is yet unclear at the moment, but it seems he wants to be the leader regardless of what happens ...

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