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2 battles one with BFR off and one with it on.

Fight takes place on a deserted planet. Can my favorite villains win?

Team 2 ease

Cyttorrak solos.

really with ease? Maybe I should switch it up then. Should I exchange switch BRB for Hulk?

Team 2 wins.

Cytorrak solos.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
really with ease? Maybe I should switch it up then. Should I exchange switch BRB for Hulk?

To do exactly what? Cyttorak is an elder god, they eat sky fathers for breakfast.

Odin>Cyttorak

Originally posted by Priest
Odin>Cyttorak

Please explain?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Please explain?

He is prettier.

Based on feats.
And the whole elder god crap don't mean shit powerwise.

Originally posted by Priest
Based on feats.
And the whole elder god crap don't mean shit powerwise.

Would a scan of several sky-fathers saying they are shitting their pants against Cyttorrak would suffice or you want a picture of Cy hitting shit?

Originally posted by Bentley
Would a scan of several sky-fathers saying they are shitting their pants against Cyttorrak would suffice or you want a picture of Cy hitting shit?

Oh, oh! I want the former, please.

Originally posted by Bentley
Would a scan of several sky-fathers saying they are shitting their pants against Cyttorrak would suffice or you want a picture of Cy hitting shit?
Unless Odin is in that scan, i could care less

Team two should win comfortably.

Comes down to Cyttorak vs Odin

^^Thanos would beat Odin in a rematch. He has been upgraded since their first skirmish. With Cyttorak on his team this fight is in the bag.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Team 2 ease

Cyttorak does indeed solo.

Originally posted by Priest
Odin>Cyttorak

How so? I know Cyttorak ddoesn't have many feats in the MU history but what I do is compare him to Cain himself. If Thor has trouble beating Cain then shouldn't Odin have some trouble putting a stronger version of Cain down?

Beings more powerful than Odin have invoked Cyttoraks power. Doesn't make sense for them to use power that is lesser than theirs, does it?

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
How so? I know Cyttorak ddoesn't have many feats in the MU history but what I do is compare him to Cain himself. If Thor has trouble beating Cain then shouldn't Odin have some trouble putting a stronger version of Cain down?
Thor doesn't have a problem putting down The Juggernaut since he was able to remove Cyttorak enhancement.

Odin would dismantle Cain with a thought.

Odin's hearld (Thor)>Juggernaut

With Odin's feat's backing him up, why wouldn't he be greater than Cyttorak?

Gah. I'm sorry.

It's Cytorrak. Not Cyttorak.

For serious.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Gah. I'm sorry.

It's Cytorrak. Not Cyttorak.

For serious.

No its Cyttorak.

Originally posted by Priest
Thor doesn't have a problem putting down The Juggernaut since he was able to remove Cyttorak enhancement.

Odin would dismantle Cain with a thought.

Odin's hearld (Thor)>Juggernaut

With Odin's feat's backing him up, why wouldn't he be greater than Cyttorak?

Cain has a 2 KO over him while Thor only has BFRs one is after a group of other heroes jumped in and saved Thor from death while the other one was done in an issue to please Thor fans who demanded a rematch.

Originally posted by Priest
Thor doesn't have a problem putting down The Juggernaut since he was able to remove Cyttorak enhancement.

Odin would dismantle Cain with a thought.

Odin's hearld (Thor)>Juggernaut

With Odin's feat's backing him up, why wouldn't he be greater than Cyttorak?

This ABC logic fails miserably.

Thor lacks the ability to remove Cyttoraks enchantment. Stronger mystics than him have tried and failed.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
This ABC logic fails miserably.

Thor lacks the ability to remove Cyttoraks enchantment. Stronger mystics than him have tried and failed.
Thor removed the enhancement on panel

he removed the Forcefield not the enchantment. You don't possible believe that he removed all of Cyttorak's blessing from him do you?

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
he removed the Forcefield not the enchantment. You don't possible believe that he removed all of Cyttorak's blessing from him do you?
Thor was able to hurt Classic Juggernaut and would of pwned him if the 60 second enhancement didn't take place(which he does not have anymore)

Originally posted by Priest
Thor removed the enhancement on panel

He did no such thing. He removed his forcefield which, in that issue atleast, the writer depicted as being the source of the Juggernauts invulnerability.

Failed again.

Still he did not take away his enchantment, only his FF. If Cyttorak is there himself then what is stopping Cy for overriding Thor's cancellation of his FF? Hell that whole issue was written bad on Cain's part. They tied his invulnerability to his FF.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
He did no such thing. He removed his forcefield which, in that issue atleast, the writer depicted as being the source of the Juggernauts invulnerability.

Failed again.
Sure Thor mentions that the forcefeild is no longer a issue. BUT Thor does say that he does negate ALL of Juggernaut's "Mystical Energy"
http://img13.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=22965_Thor_1991_429_12_122_86lo.jpg

Are u following?
Does it need to be discussed further?

That still isn't correct. If he did that then wouldn't that make Cain a regular human? Thor just thinks he took all of his power.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
That still isn't correct. If he did that then wouldn't that make Cain a regular human? Thor just thinks he took all of his power.
Cain was not a regular human when fought WWH the first time, and still got his ass beat.
The enhancement can be watered down to the point where he is not completely invulnerable.

Cain weakened himself in the whole WWH and before that in their first fight. Cain was weak for a long while before that.

That Cain and the Cain that fought Thor are not the same for the sole fact that WWH depowered Cain was bleeding in that fight and in many fights before that like when the Wrecking Crew wrecked him. Thor did not even bruise him or draw an ounce of blood. Now I think we all know that the Wrecking Crew does not hit harder than Thor's fists.

Originally posted by Priest
Sure Thor mentions that the forcefeild is no longer a issue. BUT Thor does say that he does negate ALL of Juggernaut's "Mystical Energy"
http://img13.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=22965_Thor_1991_429_12_122_86lo.jpg

Are u following?
Does it need to be discussed further?

Failed again. Put your helmet on before you hurt yourself.

If he negated all his mystical energy he would've turned back into Cain plain and simple.

The first hit should've killed Cain if he took all of his energy.

It would have.

Written properly Thor would lack the ability to do this. If Classic Strange admitted he couldn't do it, Thor surely couldn't.

Why do people assume that Cytorrak is above Odin? Cytorrak is a banished god; a skyfather, if anything Odin appears to have more power.

Originally posted by Allankles
Why do people assume that Cytorrak is above Odin? Cytorrak is a banished god; a skyfather, if anything Odin appears to have more power.

Shuma-Gorath was also banished. Abraxas was banished. Just because you are banished doesn't make you weak. It usually says that you are too strong to be able to walk this plane freely so go here and never return because our lives would be at stake.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Shuma-Gorath was also banished. Abraxas was banished. Just because you are banished doesn't make you weak. It usually says that you are too strong to be able to walk this plane freely so go here and never return because our lives would be at stake.

Actually Cytorrak was banished from Earth by unknown means and he can get back but his plans in that regard get foiled, he also existed on Earth and had other gods around him with their worshippers, so there's nothing to suggest he'd be too powerful to handle, he's no more than most other gods.

I've tried to get extra info on him and he continues to appear as a relatively powerful god; a lower to mid tier skyfather nothing more. He has the same mother as marvel Thor, so I agree with those people who can see Thor weakening Juggies' mysticsm.

Nothing anywhere suggests he is more powerful than Odin, in fact he appears weaker given his history.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
The first hit should've killed Cain if he took all of his energy.
Yeah, just like when Hawkeye gets hit by the Hulk and turns into gore! Oh wait...

It's true, if and I mean if Cain lost all of his mystical enchantments then Thor should've put a regular human down in one punch. The scans show that Cain only lost his FF and a small sense of his durability if you want to say that. Still it was badly written.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Failed again. Put your helmet on before you hurt yourself.

If he negated all his mystical energy he would've turned back into Cain plain and simple.
Reading if fun.
Originally posted by Priest
Cain was not a regular human when fought WWH the first time, and still got his ass beat.
The enhancement can be watered down to the point where he is not completely invulnerable just like how Thor as shown.

Originally posted by Priest
Cain was not a regular human when fought WWH the first time, and still got his ass beat.
The enhancement can be watered down to the point where he is not completely invulnerable. Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Cain weakened himself in the whole WWH and before that in their first fight. Cain was weak for a long while before that.

That Cain and the Cain that fought Thor are not the same for the sole fact that WWH depowered Cain was bleeding in that fight and in many fights before that like when the Wrecking Crew wrecked him. Thor did not even bruise him or draw an ounce of blood. Now I think we all know that the Wrecking Crew does not hit harder than Thor's fists.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
It's true, if and I mean if Cain lost all of his mystical enchantments then Thor should've put a regular human down in one punch. The scans show that Cain only lost his FF and a small sense of his durability if you want to say that. Still it was badly written.


He should have, sure, but in comic books regular people can get punched by class 100s just fine. When Namor throws a mountain-cracking punch at a security guard, his face doesn't turn to liquid, he just goes flying and holds his head. Using Cain not dying as any sort of evidence is lunacy, especially in older books.

Originally posted by MightyEInherjar


He should have, sure, but in comic books regular people can get punched by class 100s just fine. When Namor throws a mountain-cracking punch at a security guard, his face doesn't turn to liquid, he just goes flying and holds his head. Using Cain not dying as any sort of evidence is lunacy, especially in older books.

I'm using that Cain didn't receive any bruises nor did he bleed in that fight. Yet when he was weakened by himself he was shown to be able to bleed. He was cut by a sword and beaten by the Wrecking crew. They bruised him and made him bleed. Now I know I wasn't at all serious in the whole supes vs thor and Cain but I am 100% in this one.