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DC vs Marvel - Powerhouses

DC Powerhouses

1. Firestorm(Both Ronnie and Jason Merged into Jason's Firestorm)
2. Full Gear Orion
3. Classic Infinity Man
4. Black Adam


Marvel Powerhouses

1. Silver Surfer
2. Beta Ray Bill
3. Blackagar Boltagon
4. Thor (Classic)

- Battle Arena: Colosseum

- No BFR

- No CIS

- No Black holes or similar BS

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So, same guys on Marvel's team, but upgraded guys on DC's?

DC wins.

Originally posted by Enyalus
So, same guys on Marvel's team, but upgraded guys on DC's?

DC wins.
Not really Upgraded Guys. Surfer is Upgraded and is around Classic IM's level now.

Firestorm has the same powers. I just put ronnie in there with him so he can use ronnie's expertise.

Black Adam is just a better fighter than CM and without Superman's weaknesses.

And Orion is far more versatile than an average brick. So now there are no excuses. And actual fight.

Now this is better, good job fan girl, this is more of a fight. I cant judge on this one yet. Which black adam are you using because I can see thor dismantling a normal black adam.

Originally posted by carver9
Now this is better, good job fan girl, this is more of a fight. I cant judge on this one yet. Which black adam are you using because I can see thor dismantling a normal black adam.
Normal black Adam has taken Punches from SBP off planet, Been shown to take superman's best punches, has so much control over his lightning that he's cracked the Spectre's face.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Not really Upgraded Guys. Surfer is Upgraded and is around Classic IM's level now.

Firestorm has the same powers. I just put ronnie in there with him so he can use ronnie's expertise.

Black Adam is just a better fighter than CM and without Superman's weaknesses.

And Orion is far more versatile than an average brick. So now there are no excuses. And actual fight.

It depends on which black adam you use for me to judge this fight. Normal black adam would get his ass whipped by thor, wwIII black adam might could get the majority over thor, depending on how thor fight.

Originally posted by carver9
It depends on which black adam you use for me to judge this fight. Normal black adam would get his ass whipped by thor, wwIII black adam might could get the majority over thor, depending on how thor fight.
Your opinoin of thor is too high. You think that it would take uber amped Black Adam to maybe beat thor? so you think that all of the combined might of DC's heroes would fall to Thor. that is what you are saying right? ug. ug. Ug. UG. UG. UG. UG. Barf. Barf.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Normal black Adam has taken Punches from SBP off planet, Been shown to take superman's best punches, has so much control over his lightning that he's cracked the Spectre's face.

I know his showings and I never said that he was weak, I just think that thor would enjoy love this fight with black adam since....well.... they are basically the same character.

Black adam has some amazing showings but his showing dont make me think that he'll get a majority over thor.

Originally posted by carver9
I know his showings and I never said that he was weak, I just think that thor would enjoy love this fight with black adam since....well.... they are basically the same character.

Black adam has some amazing showings but his showing dont make me think that he'll get a majority over thor.
He's faster. His body is Tuffer. His magical lightning is Stronger than Thor's. And he's stronger than Thor. Thor has versatility and his hammer on his side. So things are pretty even. All things considered.

I think DC teams wins this battle.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Your opinoin of thor is too high. You think that it would take uber amped Black Adam to maybe beat thor? so you think that all of the combined might of DC's heroes would fall to Thor. that is what you are saying right? ug. ug. Ug. UG. UG. UG. UG. Barf. Barf.

It depends on the combined might because the only top tier that black adam fought out of that crusade was martian manhunter. You do know what happen if thor went on a crusade and rampage dont you, Im going to say it like this, warrior maddness and how many people almost got killed when he went into this mode.

Going by feats thor is above top tier.

Originally posted by carver9
It depends on the combined might because the only top tier that black adam fought out of that crusade was martian manhunter. You do know what happen if thor went on a crusade and rampage dont you, Im going to say it like this, warrior maddness and how many people almost got killed when he went into this mode.

Going by feats thor is above top tier.
No. No. No. First of all. This isn't warrior madness Thor. And BA wasn't in a warrior madness mode. He had an amp.

If you go by Feats, then Superman is above everyone. Since he's beaten Dominus and He and Orion beat S'ivaa. Both Multiversal beings. So um yeah. Let's get some common sense about these battles.

Originally posted by fangirl101
He's faster. His body is Tuffer. His magical lightning is Stronger than Thor's. And he's stronger than Thor. Thor has versatility and his hammer on his side. So things are pretty even. All things considered.

Again, what makes you think that black adam and everyone else that you named is stronger then thor.

Faster, I'll give you that but that wont make a difference in there fights since well, he'll be getting hit by a planet destroying hammer.

His lightning is stronger then thors, can you tell me what you get that from.

They are kind of even, wwIII would be much better and challenging.

1. Firestorm vs. Surfer = Surfer.
2. Orion vs. BRB = Orion.
3. IM vs. BB = IM.
4. BA vs. Thor = BA. Very close and even match.

1. Firestorm vs. BRB = BRB.
2. Orion vs. BB = Orion.
3. IM vs. Thor = IM.
4. BA vs. Surfer = Surfer.

1. Firestorm vs. BB = BB. I can't see FS tanking BB's scream.
2. Orion vs. Thor = Orion. This would be a fantastic fight.
3. IM vs. Surfer = Surfer.
4. BA vs. BRB = BRB. This fight differs from Thor vs. BA because BRB doesn't seem to hold back as often.

1. Firestorm vs. Thor = Thor.
2. Orion vs. Surfer = Surfer.
3. IM vs. BRB = IM.
4. BA vs. BB = BB. Again, I don't see Adam tanking BB's scream.

DC = 7
Marvel = 9


Meh, let the disagreement commence.

Originally posted by fangirl101
No. No. No. First of all. This isn't warrior madness Thor. And BA wasn't in a warrior madness mode. He had an amp.

If you go by Feats, then Superman is above everyone. Since he's beaten Dominus and He and Orion beat S'ivaa. Both Multiversal beings. So um yeah. Let's get some common sense about these battles.

Superman beating someone on that level isnt a average feat, thor beat godly and sky fathers on a normal basis.

Spiderman beat firelord, so I guess he's a top tier. Its not his average.

Wolverine beat hulk, I guess he's a top tier. Its not his average showing.

Thing beat champion and terrax, I guess that makes him herald level, no because its not his average showing.

Originally posted by carver9
Again, what makes you think that black adam and everyone else that you named is stronger then thor.

Faster, I'll give you that but that wont make a difference in there fights since well, he'll be getting hit by a planet destroying hammer.

His lightning is stronger then thors, can you tell me what you get that from.

They are kind of even, wwIII would be much better and challenging.
Your opinoin of Thor and the marvel heroes in general are too high. the way you act, DC's top tiers are actually at the level of Xmen or generation x characters. Really.

I'd take DC; BB is a big liability here, IMO.

Originally posted by Enyalus
1. Firestorm vs. Surfer = Surfer.
2. Orion vs. BRB = Orion.
3. IM vs. BB = IM.
4. BA vs. Thor = BA. Very close and even match.

1. Firestorm vs. BRB = BRB.
2. Orion vs. BB = Orion.
3. IM vs. Thor = IM.
4. BA vs. Surfer = Surfer.

1. Firestorm vs. BB = BB. I can't see FS tanking BB's scream.
2. Orion vs. Thor = Orion. This would be a fantastic fight.
3. IM vs. Surfer = Surfer.
4. BA vs. BRB = BRB. This fight differs from Thor vs. BA because BRB doesn't seem to hold back as often.

1. Firestorm vs. Thor = Thor.
2. Orion vs. Surfer = Surfer.
3. IM vs. BRB = IM.
4. BA vs. BB = BB. Again, I don't see Adam tanking BB's scream.

DC = 7
Marvel = 9


Meh, let the disagreement commence.
You don't know what you are talking about. really. firestorm has pwned thor already. And he can go intangible. So How are anyone but the best matter manips going to affect him is beyond me. And Firestorm can take the temperatures of the sun. You must think he's got human durability. LULZ. Firestorm can turn BB's suit into prometheum. He'd have a time breaking out of it. and you give Surfer the win over Classic IM. So easily. LULz.

Originally posted by carver9
Superman beating someone on that level isnt a average feat, thor beat godly and sky fathers on a normal basis.

Spiderman beat firelord, so I guess he's a top tier. Its not his average.

Wolverine beat hulk, I guess he's a top tier. Its not his average showing.

Thing beat champion and terrax, I guess that makes him herald level, no because its not his average showing.
Well Wonder Woman beats gods all of the time too. I guess she's as powerful as Thor now.

Originally posted by fangirl101
You don't know what you are talking about. really. firestorm has pwned thor already. And he can go intangible. So How are anyone but the best matter manips going to affect him is beyond me. And Firestorm can take the temperatures of the sun. You must think he's got human durability. LULZ. Firestorm can turn BB's suit into prometheum. He'd have a time breaking out of it. and you give Surfer the win over Classic IM. So easily. LULz.

Firestorm's pwned Thor? JLA/Avengers?

BB controls the electromagnetic spectrum. He can do some bad shit to FS, too. But that won't be needed - like I said, BB's scream would kill him.

And I gave Surfer the win over IM...never said it was easy, though.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Firestorm's pwned Thor? JLA/Avengers?

BB controls the electromagnetic spectrum. He can do some bad shit to FS, too. But that won't be needed - like I said, BB's scream would kill him.

And I gave Surfer the win over IM...never said it was easy, though.
And how is BB's scream going to kill firestorm when his mouth has an indestructible muzzle on it? Or how is he going to kill firestorm when he's held in a quantum containment field? or Is he going to hit firestorm while intangible? firestorm has also deflected the Omega Force. Not the Omega beams. The Omega Force. You don't read too much DC do you?

Originally posted by fangirl101
Your opinoin of thor is too high. You think that it would take uber amped Black Adam to maybe beat thor? so you think that all of the combined might of DC's heroes would fall to Thor. that is what you are saying right? ug. ug. Ug. UG. UG. UG. UG. Barf. Barf.


Completely agree with ya fangirl.

Any version of BA could take down thor. But i think thor could take black adam out to if he really tried. So long as he dont turn it into a slugfest or turn his back on him.

Originally posted by fangirl101
And how is BB's scream going to kill firestorm when his mouth has an indestructible muzzle on it? Or how is he going to kill firestorm when he's held in a quantum containment field? or Is he going to hit firestorm while intangible? firestorm has also deflected the Omega Force. Not the Omega beams. The Omega Force. You don't read too much DC do you?

BB's power doesn't come from his voice. So that doesn't even matter. But let me ask you what is quicker - letting out a yell or doing what you're saying Firestorm will do with the muzzle? It doesn't matter if he's intangible - the scream would still affect him.

The OE is a blast that can be deflected and rerouted. His scream is not.

Originally posted by carver9
It depends on which black adam you use for me to judge this fight. Normal black adam would get his ass whipped by thor, wwIII black adam might could get the majority over thor, depending on how thor fight.


WW3 black adam destroy's the oposing team you are giving thor WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY to much credit. ROFL


this version of black adam dont take out single super heros at at time he takes out waves oif them.

She's using base BA.

And WW3 was taking out B Teams.

Infinity Man > anybody in here he tips the scales in Dc's favor team 1 also has all flyers Black Bolt gets taken out but just about anybody on Dc's side. Team 1 7/10

Originally posted by Enyalus
BB's power doesn't come from his voice. So that doesn't even matter. But let me ask you what is quicker - letting out a yell or doing what you're saying Firestorm will do with the muzzle? It doesn't matter if he's intangible - the scream would still affect him.

The OE is a blast that can be deflected and rerouted. His scream is not.
who says it's not? There are so many ways Firestorm could pwn BB. You act as if FS would just stand there and not do anything. That is what I hate most about marvel sided posters. They act as if DC heroes just stand there and twittle thier mighty thumbs.

Originally posted by Enyalus
She's using base BA.

And WW3 was taking out B Teams.
Teams that Included Donna troy. Red Son Superman said that Donna troy was nearly indestructible. RED SON SUPERMAN. He also took out MM, Captain marvel, freddy, mary and others. Dr. light etc.

Originally posted by fangirl101
who says it's not? There are so many ways Firestorm could pwn BB. You act as if FS would just stand there and not do anything. That is what I hate most about marvel sided posters. They act as if DC heroes just stand there and twittle thier mighty thumbs.

Like DC posters harp on the speedblitz argument?

I went by what's easier and faster to do - yell, or pull off some exotic matter manipulation. IMO, it would be screaming.

I think I've got BB losing every other fight. Step off.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Well Wonder Woman beats gods all of the time too. I guess she's as powerful as Thor now.

Its different, wonder woman entire race is gods but theyre still not even close to the power of dc top tiers. Tell me one god that wonder woman has defeated on mangog level or destroyer level. If you want me to keep naming I can.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Teams that Included Donna troy. Red Son Superman said that Donna troy was nearly indestructible. RED SON SUPERMAN. He also took out MM, Captain marvel, freddy, mary and others. Dr. light etc.

Red Son Superman isn't even as strong as current Supes. I've read WWIII. He didn't take out the people you mentioned at the same time.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Your opinoin of Thor and the marvel heroes in general are too high. the way you act, DC's top tiers are actually at the level of Xmen or generation x characters. Really. [/QUOT

I never told you who I'm siding with. You have two people on dc team that could level the battlfield for dc.

Originally posted by carver9
It depends on the combined might because the only top tier that black adam fought out of that crusade was martian manhunter. You do know what happen if thor went on a crusade and rampage dont you, Im going to say it like this, warrior maddness and how many people almost got killed when he went into this mode.

Going by feats thor is above top tier.


He did just fine against a super pissed of superman, supes wasnt rageing at the time but he was really close . BA took his hits much better then captian marvel does and he fights a hell of a lot better then cap does to. And last time BA fight MM he beat the living crap outta him. BA is very smart while he rages thats what makes him so much more dangerous then cap. HE will goed thor into a fist fight. thor will do well but in the end i think thor will loose. I think thor has a better chance against cap or supes. This could go either way both combatants are skilled warriors.

Originally posted by carver9
Its different, wonder woman entire race is gods but theyre still not even close to the power of dc top tiers. Tell me one god that wonder woman has defeated on mangog level or destroyer level. If you want me to keep naming I can.
Are you ok? Any Greek God is far more poweful than Magog. Get a grip. They all can do anything they want. They all are immortal. have vast reality altering powers. You don't even read wonder woman so shut it.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Infinity Man > anybody in here he tips the scales in Dc's favor team 1 also has all flyers Black Bolt gets taken out but just about anybody on Dc's side. Team 1 7/10

I guess you didnt know that black bolt can fly. Well your judge is pointless since you dont know nothing of the characters except dc.

Originally posted by carver9
Again, what makes you think that black adam and everyone else that you named is stronger then thor.

Faster, I'll give you that but that wont make a difference in there fights since well, he'll be getting hit by a planet destroying hammer.

His lightning is stronger then thors, can you tell me what you get that from.

They are kind of even, wwIII would be much better and challenging.


Good point actually strength feats both marvel and ba dont have many of them, most of their feats are based on fights. ANd ba has stood toe to toe with supes, if he can do that and actually is physically weaker then supes, is physicaly a little less durable. Then yes i think its reasonable to say he can beat thor.

Originally posted by carver9
I guess you didnt know that black bolt can fly. Well your judge is pointless since you dont know nothing of the characters except dc. Actually i did but im kinda baked don't hold it against me .

Originally posted by fangirl101
Are you ok? Any Greek God is far more poweful than Magog. Get a grip. They all can do anything they want. They all are immortal. have vast reality altering powers. You don't even read wonder woman so shut it.

Every time wonder woman fight a greek god she is equipped, dont use that crap against me. She had to squirt snake poison in her eyes when she fought medusa.

The moral of this story is that wonder woman is equiped during battle when facing these people, a walking plot device.

Plus i don't see Blackbolt beating anybody on team Dc for a majority. By the way i have way more Marvel comics than Dc I'm sorry to say Marvel is more entertaining so nah don't call me a fanboy you know nothing about me .

Originally posted by iceman24567
Actually i did but im kinda baked don't hold it against me .

I was just messing with you. I know you stay high about 95% of the time and you seem to know a lot about comics. Disregard my previous post.

Originally posted by Enyalus
1. Firestorm vs. Surfer = Surfer.
2. Orion vs. BRB = Orion.
3. IM vs. BB = IM.
4. BA vs. Thor = BA. Very close and even match.

1. Firestorm vs. BRB = BRB.
2. Orion vs. BB = Orion.
3. IM vs. Thor = IM.
4. BA vs. Surfer = Surfer.

1. Firestorm vs. BB = BB. I can't see FS tanking BB's scream.
2. Orion vs. Thor = Orion. This would be a fantastic fight.
3. IM vs. Surfer = Surfer.
4. BA vs. BRB = BRB. This fight differs from Thor vs. BA because BRB doesn't seem to hold back as often.

1. Firestorm vs. Thor = Thor.
2. Orion vs. Surfer = Surfer.
3. IM vs. BRB = IM.
4. BA vs. BB = BB. Again, I don't see Adam tanking BB's scream.

DC = 7
Marvel = 9


Meh, let the disagreement commence.

Well i agree wit most but lemme change just a few things

In ur first set of fights, BA vs Thor=Thor

In ur third set of fights, Thor vs Orion= Thor

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Well i agree wit most but lemme change just a few things

In ur first set of fights, BA vs Thor=Thor

In ur third set of fights, Thor vs Orion= Thor

I agree withthis post but fan girl is going to attack you for it, get ready.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Well i agree wit most but lemme change just a few things

In ur first set of fights, BA vs Thor=Thor

In ur third set of fights, Thor vs Orion= Thor

Thor is not Beating Orion.

Orion is Stronger. More Durable. And has A Faster more potent energy blast.

Thor has better energy deflection and manip.

I'd say they'd beat the tar out of each other.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Well i agree wit most but lemme change just a few things

In ur first set of fights, BA vs Thor=Thor

In ur third set of fights, Thor vs Orion= Thor I can see Thor winning against Orion

Originally posted by fangirl101
Thor is not Beating Orion.

Orion is Stronger. More Durable. And has A Faster more potent energy blast.

Thor has better energy deflection and manip.

I'd say they'd beat the tar out of each other.

Im not sure Orions is stronger than thor and his hammer makes his striking power greater than orions by quite a bit.. Thor hammer also gives him a very good defense against energy attacks. He is also more versatile than orion. It wud be a really close fight but id still give the edge to thor.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Im not sure Orions is stronger than thor and his hammer makes his striking power greater than orions by quite a bit.. Thor hammer also gives him a very good defense against energy attacks. He is also more versatile than orion. It wud be a really close fight but id still give the edge to thor.
MB pretty much even's out versatility. And the Astro force has quite a few different energy attacks of it's own. And the MB also heals.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Im not sure Orions is stronger than thor and his hammer makes his striking power greater than orions by quite a bit.. Thor hammer also gives him a very good defense against energy attacks. He is also more versatile than orion. It wud be a really close fight but id still give the edge to thor. Orion is faster , Possibly a bit stronger

One thing is for sure will be a great fight between the two

Originally posted by fangirl101
MB pretty much even's out versatility. And the Astro force has quite a few different energy attacks of it's own. And the MB also heals.
What versatile effects has Orion pulled off using a MB? I don't doubt that he has a few, but Thor's shown a TREMENDOUS level of versatility with his hammer and I just can't picture Orion matching it with a MB.

Originally posted by fangirl101
MB pretty much even's out versatility. And the Astro force has quite a few different energy attacks of it's own. And the MB also heals.

What are some of the MBs displays of versatility? And some of the astro forces energy versatility?

Originally posted by darthgoober
What versatile effects has Orion pulled off using a MB? I don't doubt that he has a few, but Thor's shown a TREMENDOUS level of versatility with his hammer and I just can't picture Orion matching it with a MB.
Orion has deflected the OE with a shield of AF
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Orion/orionastroforce1.jpg

Subatomic Disintegration
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Orion/oriondisintegration.jpg

Magnetism on a large scale
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Orion09p15.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Orion09p16.jpg

Cleans the Celestial City of Death
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/NewGods01-14.jpg

MB heals Orion of greivious injuries nearly instantaneously.
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/3d1a3edf.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/10f93fce.jpg

Atro Force create's force fields.
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/jkfw-17-10.jpg

Orion's MB also deconstructed the entire universe and remade it without DS's evil and started it over. I can't find scan right now.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Orion has deflected the OE with a shield of AF
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Orion/orionastroforce1.jpg

Subatomic Disintegration
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Orion/oriondisintegration.jpg

Magnetism on a large scale
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Orion09p15.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Orion09p16.jpg

Cleans the Celestial City of Death
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/NewGods01-14.jpg

MB heals Orion of greivious injuries nearly instantaneously.
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/3d1a3edf.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/10f93fce.jpg

Atro Force create's force fields.
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/jkfw-17-10.jpg

Orion's MB also deconstructed the entire universe and remade it without DS's evil and started it over. I can't find scan right now.

Impressive, no quite on thors level of versatility but still impressive. However i dont get what happened in the Magnetism scan. It doesnt give much of a useful description as to what happened.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Orion has deflected the OE with a shield of AF
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Orion/orionastroforce1.jpg

The scan says it deflected the Omega Beams. Not the Omega Effect.

Originally posted by Enyalus
The scan says it deflected the Omega Beams. Not the Omega Effect.
Weren't you one of the one's arguing that they were one and the same when it suited you? Omega Beams. Sorry for not paying close enough attention to the scan.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Weren't you one of the one's arguing that they were one and the same when it suited you? Omega Beams. Sorry for not paying close enough attention to the scan.

No, I had agreed with you that they were different.

Originally posted by Enyalus
No, I had agreed with you that they were different.
Oh ok. Well I misread. Sitll Ob's is a feat.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Oh ok. Well I misread. Sitll Ob's is a feat.

Yeah, but it's been deflected by Supes' HV and Firestorm, too.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Yeah, but it's been deflected by Supes' HV and Firestorm, too.
Firestorm Deflected it with a quantum containment field. those are indestructible by DC standards. And Superman is PIS on a wad of toilet paper.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Firestorm Deflected it with a quantum containment field. those are indestructible by DC standards. And Superman is PIS on a wad of toilet paper. You can't say that about Superman HV He the man who carve a border line for DC tier levels

A lot of people always underestimates Orion. He's just as versatile as Thor and have done similar things. The thing that separates Orion from Thor, is that Orion is more skilled in the art of war than Thor.

"Knowing arts of war fare from across the Universe". And has used his super-speed in battle more as well.

I'd give this to Team DC, but it's close.

Thor is in fact more versatile then Orion, probably just as strong or close enough. But where Orion has good energy feats the real thing that separates him from Thor is the fact that Thor has much better control of energy, and can contain and manipulate large amounts of it.

Originally posted by cloud102
A lot of people always underestimates Orion. He's just as versatile as Thor and have done similar things. The thing that separates Orion from Thor, is that Orion is more skilled in the art of war than Thor.

"Knowing arts of war fare from across the Universe". And has used his super-speed in battle more as well.

I'd give this to Team DC, but it's close. Thor grew up fighting in war against Demon/giants/trolls....
lol

Originally posted by Newjak
Thor is in fact more versatile then Orion, probably just as strong or close enough. But where Orion has good energy feats the real thing that separates him from Thor is the fact that Thor has much better control of energy, and can contain and manipulate large amounts of it.

Really? Orion has contained and matched universe destroying energies, has reformed his astro harness out of nothing, created the Astro Gauntlets when he didn't have his harness, and CREATED the Genesis Box that restarted the universe from Darkseid's taint in Rock of Ages. Something Thor isn't capable of doing.

Plus he can transmute objects and has instant healing from the Mother Box. As shown when he was inside a weapon of the Old gods (I think the Old gods) and constantly rejuvenated his body from the energy.

Originally posted by cloud102
Really? Orion has contained and matched universe destroying energies, has reformed his astro harness out of nothing, created the Astro Gauntlets when he didn't have his harness, and CREATED the Genesis Box that restarted the universe from Darkseid's taint in Rock of Ages. Something Thor isn't capable of doing.

Plus he can transmute objects and has instant healing from the Mother Box. As shown when he was inside a weapon of the Old gods (I think the Old gods) and constantly rejuvenated his body from the energy. First off half your stuff isn't versatility but more about power, in which Thor has contained a blast that would have destroyed 1/5th the Universe.

But just for fun. Thor can also transmute stuff, suck the souls from people, create space warps, become invisible, and make Earth do as he commands. Create illusions, etc, etc

Originally posted by Newjak
First off half your stuff isn't versatility but more about power, in which Thor has contained a blast that would have destroyed 1/5th the Universe.

But just for fun. Thor can also transmute stuff, suck the souls from people, create space warps, become invisible, and make Earth do as he commands. Create illusions, etc, etc
You'd be surprised at what orion can do when you dig deep enough. I have every single new god appearance now. I'll post his outlandish ish later today.

Originally posted by Newjak
First off half your stuff isn't versatility but more about power, in which Thor has contained a blast that would have destroyed 1/5th the Universe.

But just for fun. Thor can also transmute stuff, suck the souls from people, create space warps, become invisible, and make Earth do as he commands. Create illusions, etc, etc

Ok, Some more stuff to add to Orion's versatility:

Mother Box can track beings from across the universe.
Make Orion Intangible
Make him INVISIBLE
Manipulate magnetic forces
Cross between time
Open portals to other dimensions
Heal him
Contain spirits
Seal portals off so other opponent can't escape
Mother Box also gives advice on how to defeat opponents.
Warns him of any danger in the area.
Orion has also created illusions. Like when he made himself bigger than a celestial to fool Apokolips.


Another nice thing to note is when Walt Simonson asked who would win; Thor Or Orion? Walt stated that Orion would come out on top more often than not.

This was of course when he was writing the Orion series.

Originally posted by fangirl101
You'd be surprised at what orion can do when you dig deep enough. I have every single new god appearance now. I'll post his outlandish ish later today. You'd be surprised what Thor can do when you dig deep enough or shallow enough.

I used to have almost everyone of his appearances, sadly though that was on a different computer

Originally posted by Newjak
You'd be surprised what Thor can do when you dig deep enough or shallow enough.

I used to have almost everyone of his appearances, sadly though that was on a different computer
The point is, Orion is nearly as versatile. But packs higher stats, faster healing, and more over all Firepower. They even out pretty well.

Originally posted by fangirl101
The point is, Orion is nearly as versatile. But packs higher stats, faster healing, and more over all Firepower. They even out pretty well. It would be a pretty good fight, but Thor is a whole more versatile, and just as strong.

I would also put Thor as having more Firepower.

Has Thor come close to match and contain UNIVERSE destroying energies?

Orion is also more skilled than Thor, too. He's actually almost defeated the greatest martial artist in the UNIVERSE, while weakened.

Originally posted by Newjak
It would be a pretty good fight, but Thor is a whole more versatile, and just as strong.

I would also put Thor as having more Firepower.
Orion is just as Strong as Superman.

Thor is not.

Orion is also faster. And can heal if Thor manages to hurt him. I'd say that gives him equal footing to Thor's versatility.

Originally posted by cloud102
Has Thor come close to match and contain UNIVERSE destroying energies?

Thor has contained a blast that was going to destroy a fifth of the 616 Universe as well as casually absorbing blasts from Odin using gungir.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Orion is just as Strong as Superman.

Thor is not.

Orion is also faster. And can heal if Thor manages to hurt him. I'd say that gives him equal footing to Thor's versatility. I think Thor is more than comparable considering some of his strength feats.

He may not be as strong I'll admit, but I think it is close to or equal.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Orion has deflected the OE with a shield of AF
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Orion/orionastroforce1.jpg

Subatomic Disintegration
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Orion/oriondisintegration.jpg

Magnetism on a large scale
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Orion09p15.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Orion09p16.jpg

Cleans the Celestial City of Death
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/NewGods01-14.jpg

MB heals Orion of greivious injuries nearly instantaneously.
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/3d1a3edf.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/10f93fce.jpg

Atro Force create's force fields.
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/jkfw-17-10.jpg

Orion's MB also deconstructed the entire universe and remade it without DS's evil and started it over. I can't find scan right now.
Impressive... but not quite on Thor's level in the versatility department(but definitely enough to take him out of the "brick" category).

Originally posted by cloud102
Ok, Some more stuff to add to Orion's versatility:

Mother Box can track beings from across the universe.
Make Orion Intangible
Make him INVISIBLE
Manipulate magnetic forces
Cross between time
Open portals to other dimensions
Heal him
Contain spirits
Seal portals off so other opponent can't escape
Mother Box also gives advice on how to defeat opponents.
Warns him of any danger in the area.
Orion has also created illusions. Like when he made himself bigger than a celestial to fool Apokolips.


Another nice thing to note is when Walt Simonson asked who would win; Thor Or Orion? Walt stated that Orion would come out on top more often than not.

This was of course when he was writing the Orion series.
Are those all things that Orion has done with a Motherbox, or just things that various MB users have accomplished?

Originally posted by darthgoober
Impressive... but not quite on Thor's level in the versatility department(but definitely enough to take him out of the "brick" category).


Are those all things that Orion has done with a Motherbox, or just things that various MB users have accomplished?
nah. Orion with MB is impressive. During the New God's second run, Where Orion doesn't wear the Astro Harness, he accomplishes a lot more with the AF and MB. Much more versatile. Interesting tid bit of information. The New Gods of the 4th are said to die and replay over and over. Each time manifesting differently but the same. Hence the alternate reality new gods like in JLA another nail. When we know there is only ONE set of new Gods. I'll find the scan.

Both. A lot of those things were in Simonson's run on orion. Orion is just as versatile as Thor. There is no proof that Thor is more versatile. Thor MAY have done more things with his hammer, but that's simply because he has more issues with him. But it's not by a huge majority.

One thing I forgot to add is Orion has...


Manipulated the weather.

Also, another thing that he's done WITHOUT the mother box is create force fields with the Astro Force to block Darkseid's Omega Beams. Again, Simonson's Orion run.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Thor has contained a blast that was going to destroy a fifth of the 616 Universe as well as casually absorbing blasts from Odin using gungir.

A fifth? Orion defeated someone who was going to destroy the whole universe with their energies. Not just one fifth. It's ONLY ONE showing, but it shows Orion has SERIES energy outage and control of the Astro Force, which is complete destructive energy.

Originally posted by fangirl101
nah. Orion with MB is impressive. During the New God's second run, Where Orion doesn't wear the Astro Harness, he accomplishes a lot more with the AF and MB. Much more versatile. Interesting tid bit of information. The New Gods of the 4th are said to die and replay over and over. Each time manifesting differently but the same. Hence the alternate reality new gods like in JLA another nail. When we know there is only ONE set of new Gods. I'll find the scan.
Well like what though? Thor's versatility is well known, Orion's... not so much. We can do a feat for feat comparison if you'd like.

Originally posted by cloud102
Both. A lot of those things were in Simonson's run on orion. Orion is just as versatile as Thor. There is no proof that Thor is more versatile. Thor MAY have done more things with his hammer, but that's simply because he has more issues with him. But it's not by a huge majority.

One thing I forgot to add is Orion has...


Manipulated the weather.

Also, another thing that he's done WITHOUT the mother box is create force fields with the Astro Force to block Darkseid's Omega Beams. Again, Simonson's Orion run.
Of course there's proof, in the form of the character's histories. The fact that Thor's accomplished more feats of a more diverse nature than Orion proves that he's more versatile than the New God, even if it's only because of their personaliies.

What things has Thor done that Orion hasn't? I have read a lot of Thor (though, wouldn't say an expert), and he basically does the same thing. Thor blasts. I see him do other things occasionally, but everything I have seen Thor do, Orion has done so as well.

Hell, even in one of Orion's early run's, Himon has once stated that the MB's can do pretty much anything the user wants. As long as they keep good relationship with them.

Originally posted by cloud102
A fifth? Orion defeated someone who was going to destroy the whole universe with their energies. Not just one fifth. It's ONLY ONE showing, but it shows Orion has SERIES energy outage and control of the Astro Force, which is complete destructive energy.

Well did orion contain the energy itself or defeat the guy who was using the energy? Cuz battles always have circumstances and context to them and so trying to use them as evidence without giving the actual details of the fight wud be poor ABC logic.

As for versatility, Ill just name some things thor has done which u havent mentioned orion being able to do

Thor has turned people invisible
Thor has produced antimatter
THor has shown the ability to negate gravity
Thor has transmuted absorbing man to gas
Thor has shrunk hyperion to antsize
Thor has absorbed life force etc..

As for top tiers in marvel thor is second only to Ss versatility wise.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Thor has shrunk hyperion to antsize

Eternals Hyperion? No shiite?

Originally posted by cloud102
What things has Thor done that Orion hasn't? I have read a lot of Thor (though, wouldn't say an expert), and he basically does the same thing. Thor blasts. I see him do other things occasionally, but everything I have seen Thor do, Orion has done so as well.

Hell, even in one of Orion's early run's, Himon has once stated that the MB's can do pretty much anything the user wants. As long as they keep good relationship with them.
I don't feel like digging through the respect thread, but here's a list I pulled off a fan site that includes issue numbers for reference...

1) SPATIAL POWERS: A) Ability to materialized anywhere across the known Marvel Universe (Fantastic Four-#339, Thor-#165). B) Ability to create Dimensional portals or Rifts (Thor Annual#16, Avengers#309). Also, able to send an entire population to LIMBO for their own protection (Thor#192). C) In addition, Thor's hammer has the capability to send just about ANY SENTIENT BEING to just about any other LOCATION in the known Universe-Avengers-#180 vs. the Monolith, or DIMENSIONS (the Fourth, the Fifth, the Sixth, or even the Seventh Dimension- it doesn't matter) See- Avengers-#9, and Avengers-#16(vol.1), or even an ALTERNATIVE UNIVERSE-Avengers-#7 (vol.1). Specifically, Thor doesn't necessarily need to create a vortex to remove any immediate threat- See-Thor-# 279 vs. Ulik, Thor-#173, and Thor-#425 where a blast by Thor's hammer ripped wide the fabric of the Universe itself and sent Surtur and Yimir to the Death Dimension. Thus, Thor can literally send anything, or anyone to the other side of the Galaxy thousands of light years away with just a mere magic bolt fired at his enemy. One of the GREATEST EXAMPLE of Thor's Spatial capability occurred in Thor-#242, when Horus, Osiris, and Isis Giant Pyramid destroyed a significant portion of the Orange Groves (Trees) of San Diego, California when it sprouted from beneath the Earth in their search of Odin. All of then were all fully restored along with the vanishing of the great Pyramid by a vortex created by Thor's MAGICAL hammer-as if the destruction that took place there never happened. Now, that's power!!!! Another great example of Thor's Spatial capability occurred when the hammer passed right through Kang's Force Field and struck him as if the Force-Field was not present at all-See Avengers-Annual-#21. Kang was near death by the blow from Thor's hammer. Therefore, characters like Magneto, Graviton, or even the Molecule Man are not, in fact, EXACTLY safe inside their Force-Field. In addition, Thor can call his hammer from even deep space; distance doesn't seem to be an obstacle- Avengers-#19.

2) TRANSMUTATION OF ELEMENTS: Thor transmuted the Absorbing Man's wood and iron body to helium (a gas). See Journey Into Mystery #115. Emphatically, in this issue, Thor explicitly said that, "I have the power to transmute the Elements themselves".

3) THERMOBLAST: The ability to produce a Planet shaking Thermo-Blast capable of decimating an entire Planet (Ego). See Thor#133.

4) BARRIERS: Thor's hammer can produce barriers a la the Invisible Women (see Thor#181, and Thor#395). In Thor-#181 not even EXTREMELY innovative Earth weapon's blasts could make even a dent on Thor's Force-Field that surrounded the U.N. In addition, Thor said that his hammer could surely have contained Stellaris Cosmic Flash that would have consumed the entire Planet Earth-See Thor-#421. However, if you think that's something, Thor once created an indestructible Mystical Vortex that CONTAINED the explosion of a Life-Bomb that would have destroyed a Fifth of the Marvel Universe-AVENGERS-ANNUAL-#16. If that's the case, then Thor did managed to save literally millions of Galaxies, as a result.

5) POWER TO ABSORB: A) Thor's hammer can absorb limitless amount of energy. For instance, Thor's hammer absorbed the energy of a Null Bomb that was capable of destroying an entire Galaxy and turn it to Cosmic energy and Re-Ignite a Dead Sun (a Galaxy may contain 200 billion to 400 billions Solar Systems-depending on their relative size). B) In Avengers-#171, from a DISTANCE, Thor absorbed Ultron's entire energy source with just a single blast from his hammer. C) Thor's hammer can, also, absorb other significant sources of energy including: Cosmic (Silver Surfer-#4), also, when Thor completely absorbed Sky-Walker's Cosmic raging Tempest into his hammer-Thor-#305. Also, Radioactive energy (Avengers-#304), Magnetism (Thor#-387) where Thor absorbed a portion of the Planet of Pangoria's Magnetic energy, and Magneto's Personal Magnetic Field-JIM-#109; and Mystical- specifically, when he absorbed a significant mystical portion of EVERY Earth's PANTHEON (Thor#301), and Pluto's Deadly (mystical) Fire-Flame-#Thor-#223. In addition, Thor can absorb Magic from a DISTANCE-Avengers-#276. D) It's important to, also, point out that Thor's hammer can absorbed many of these particular sources of energy, and RETURN IT back to the originator; sometimes amplify many times over.
Note: It's really no wonder at all that Thor absorbed the Electromagnetic energies of the Celestial Mother-ship with such ease- see Thor#288

6) LIFE-FORCE, OR GOD-FORCE: Thor's immortal life force could be more powerful than the mystical properties of his hammer; that when combined with the power of his hammer can release incredible amounts of energy- Thor#388. Galactus tasted defeat when Thor used the Life Force on him- see Thor#161. Thor's Life-Force, or God-Force, also destroyed the Brain Dome of the 20,000ft. Tall Celestial Exitar; which should be many times more durable than Adamantiun considering their thousands, if not, millions of years of technology ahead of the human race. Also, the Destroyer using ALL OF HIS POWERS at his command could not destroy Thor's Life-Force- See Thor-#381.

7) REVERSE ENERGY: A) Thor's hammer can reverse energy polarities (Avengers#70 vs. Hyperion- when Thor reverse the Atomic process that gave Hyperion his powers, and reduced him to the size of an Ant. B) Thor Annual#16 (Beta Ray Bill vs. Ego) In this instance, BRB was in the verge of drawing out all of Ego's Magnetic Polarities to outer space, and Ego happens to be an entire Planet. C) Thor reversed the Enchanter's Magic that initially transformed humans to Monsters-Thor-#18. In addition, Thor's hammer can reverse a Psychic attack- see Thor #428.

8) INCREASE THE POWER OF LIGHTNING, AND OTHERS: Thor can increase the lightning effectiveness TEN THOUSAND FOLDS!!!!-See Thor-#421; or perhaps more, and increase and magnify just about any OTHER type of energy source several times over-see THOR-#22 vs. Thanos, and Avengers-#8 (vol.1) vs. Kang. An excellent example would be when Thor defeated Prime by increasing single lightning bolt a hundred folds, and proceeded by blast him with it (Remember that just a single lightning bolt is equivalent to 15,000,000 volts of electricity and could travel 100 million feet a second). However, the MOST devastating lightning attack ever conceived by Thor is one that involves the "PUREST OF LIGHTNING". In other words, a bolt of "Purest of Lightning"; which is a Magical bolt that emanates FROM THOR'S HAMMER- creates a chain reaction of pure energy causing the ground SURROUNDING the blast to ERUPT like a living VOLCANO; thus, producing a Giant Crater along with a Holocaust of White-Hot Lava. Thor-#156. Thor had to escape not only by running, but FLYING out of the ensuing danger or else he would had, most certainly, forfeit his life. How did the Silver Age Mangog survive, or was not seriously injured, by a DIRECT-HIT of this bolt is beyond me. If some fans were highly impressed by DC's Captain Marvel effective lightning attack on Superman, what in the world would they think about a lightning bolt such as that one created by Thor against the Mangog? Not even ashes would remain of Superman if Thor would strike at him directly with such a bolt of pure energy, and, to be perfectly honest, Thor doesn't really need that much firepower to blast, for instance, anything including a Ship to Atoms-See-Avengers-#82 (vol.1). And, finally, Thor can effectively direct multiple lightning strikes as he once did against several Celestials at the same time-Thor-#300.

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9) SPY: Thor could spy on people like a closed circuit TV. From same dimension, or another without being noticed- see Thor#278. With such power you could find just about any criminals, serial killers, terrorist, etc. with relatively ease.

12) ELEMENTAL POWERS: That can transcend to other dimensions, and or space and time (see-Thor#188). No other Superhero in the Multiverse has that scope of elemental powers. In addition, Thor's hammer can tap, practically, on just about any Elemental Phenomenon in the Cosmos, like, for example, the limitless energy of a Maelstrom and used that energy as a Cosmic weapon. A Celestial Maelstrom can literally drag large Meteors, or Asteroids around at Fantastic Speed-Thor-#261. The power of a Hurricane is next to nothing compare to the devastating power of a Celestial Maelstrom. Also, Thor's power can create Thunderstorm, Tidal Waves, and exploding Volcanoes on a Planetary scale-Journey Into Mystery-#94. In fact, if, somehow, Thor's hammer is unmade the consequences are unthinkable and cataclysmic: Not only Erupting Volcano's worldwide, Tidal Waves would immediately ensue, but Impact of Celestial bodies, as well- Avengers-#330. Also, Thor can use the power of the storm at a moment's notice.
For instance, Thor used a spear of wind, or an indescribable powerful tornado, that he literally pushed against Surtur (THE Fire Elemental of Norse Myths, older than Time itself), that caused Surtur to say: "NEVER HAVE I FELT SUCH FORCE!" And, in that same issue, Thor used the power of the Storm to divert an Asteroid from it's course and hurl it against Surtur-Thor-#177. In addition, Thor's power over the Storm can create enough suction to whisk famous landmarks like the Eiffel Tower into the Atmosphere-JIM-#94.

13) TRANSMIGRATION OF SOULS: Thor's hammer has the ability to transmigrate souls- see Thor#363.

14) HEALING FACTOR: Thor's hammer can speed up healing (Thor#155).

15) ERASE MEMORY: Thor's hammer can, in effect, erase memory (Invaders#33).

16) SLEEP: Thor's hammer can really put you to sleep (Thor#372).

17) A DETECTOR, OR THOR'S HAMMER ABILITY TO TRACK: Thor's hammer can detect where evil is a foot (Thor#417); or can track anyone who doesn't want to be found (Avengers#14). In addition, Thor's hammer can track practically all kinds of energy signature-Thor Corps-#1, Avengers-#309, and Strange Tales-#182. In addition, something that is called ELECTRONS FREE FLOWING enables Thor's hammer to detect any Asgardian's Aura by their electron's discharge- See Journey Into MYstery#104.

19) VITALITY: Thor's hammer can increase VITALITY to any being that finds himself in a significant weak state. I guess Viagra, and Ginseng would have to take a serious back seat to Thor's hammer in this case-See Thor-#343.

20) COSMIC ENERGY: Thor's hammer can produce Cosmic Energy (Avengers#5).

21) SOLAR FLARES: Thor's hammer can produce Solar Flares; which is about twice the temperature of the Sun.

22) ANTI-MATTER PARTICLES: Thor's hammer can manufacture Anti-Matter particles. These particles could potentially erase anyone, or anything from existence. It's little wonder why Kang's Anti-Matter Screen that's capable of instantly disintegrating any Earthly matter did not affected Thor's hammer in the least-See Avengers-#8 (vol.1).

23) ALPHA PARTICLES: Thor's hammer can harness Alpha Particles from the atmosphere and could use it to Atomize any weaponry, JIM-#102.

24) INTERDIMENSIONAL ENERGY: Thor's hammer can tap or attract quantities of Interdimensional Matrix energy (In this case, Matrix meaning from the main or principal source). This is certainly an extraordinary significant power and ability-Thor-#395.

25) INVISIBILITY AND INTANGIBILITY: In order to protect the Black Knight, Thor created a vortex surrounding the Black Knight that was completely Invisible and Intangible to all eyes except Thor's-Avengers-#300. Also, in a quarrel against the Vision, Thor used his hammer to completely disrupt the Vision while he was in a Intangible state, thus rendering the Vision senseless-Avengers Annual-#8. In addition, check LS list below on Thor-#428 regarding Phasing.

26) CROWD MANIPULATION: Thor's hammer can put literally an entire crowd in a trance, or totally under his control by using the Sun's rays-Thor-#102. The head of Thor's hammer lights up like a mini-Sun.

27) MAGNETISM: Thor can attract or magnetize Mechanical constructs into the ground, such as Flying Vehicles, Giant robots (JIM-#101,102), and even sentient beings like Loki. Thor attracted him when he was about to jump from a cliff-Avengers-#no.1. In addition, Thor's hammer can create a MAGNETIC FIELD (a la Magneto) that enabled him to temporarily transport himself, Captain America, Sersi, Jarvis and Spiderman to a pre-determine destination-Avengers-#315. This makes quite a lot of sense since Thor's power over Magnetism has been well documented since the creation of his character in the early 60's.

28) ANTI-GRAVITY: (SOMETIMES, MISTAKENLY CALLED ANTI-FORCE): A power that can literally Physically incapacitates his opponent, and sent then where they came from. Thor did this to the Super-Skrull when he sent him from Earth to his space ship in Earth's orbit. The Super-Skrull said, "I AM HELPLESS-caught in the grip of a FORCE I cannot begin to comprehend!" This power is similar to that of Graviton. Another such example occurred when Beta Ray Bill-Thor- #440- repelled the Giant Uroc upward against gravity to the surprise of both Dargo and Thundestrike.

29) ANTI-FORCE: The full power of the Anti-Force is so unbelievably powerful and the fury of such blast is so indescribable that Thor, with just one blast, once took out an entire Battalion of Barbarians along with Boulders, and a Giant Tank that was literally ripped to shreds against that devastating onslaught-Thor-#205. In terms of range, Thor's Anti-Force could cover a wide area. In Thor-#207, Thor was trapped by Giant Boulders, and with just one Power-Blast the Giant Boulders were torn to pieces. Against Ego, Thor destroyed an entire Building thrown at Thor at close range with another Power-Blast-Thor-#203.

31) NETHERWORLD POWER: or power from the dark dimensions (Thor#101). Check on Ghost Rider unique Supernatural abilities.

32) ESSENCE OF LIGHT: Thor's hammer infused the Demon Darkoth with the Essence of Light to counteract Mephisto's Essence of Evil. Thus, turning the Demon away from Mephisto's Evil control- Thor-#325

35) ABILITY TO FLY: Thor's hammer provides the ability for Thor to fly at such speed that he can literally become invisible-JIM-#94, and can perform complicated maneuvers like performing a Pinwheel around a Flying Trans-Atlantic Jet-JIM-#107. Thor top flying speed has been clocked at THREE TIMES the speed of LIGHT-Thor-#185. In addition, Thor can transport the Avengers by literally flying together from one area of the city to another-Avengers-#58. And in "The Saga of Beta Ray Bill", after teleporting to Bill's starship's current location (and the ship flying by him at many times the speed of light), Thor uses Mjolnir to fly after and catch up with the starship.


If you're wondering about the missing numbers, I omitted them due to them descibing the physical powers of Thor rather than the powers of his hammer. And here's a link if you want to see the site for yourself...
http://www.startrekphase2media.com/The_Power_of_Thor.html

Originally posted by darthgoober
9) SPY: Thor could spy on people like a closed circuit TV. From same dimension, or another without being noticed- see Thor#278. With such power you could find just about any criminals, serial killers, terrorist, etc. with relatively ease.

12) ELEMENTAL POWERS: That can transcend to other dimensions, and or space and time (see-Thor#188). No other Superhero in the Multiverse has that scope of elemental powers. In addition, Thor's hammer can tap, practically, on just about any Elemental Phenomenon in the Cosmos, like, for example, the limitless energy of a Maelstrom and used that energy as a Cosmic weapon. A Celestial Maelstrom can literally drag large Meteors, or Asteroids around at Fantastic Speed-Thor-#261. The power of a Hurricane is next to nothing compare to the devastating power of a Celestial Maelstrom. Also, Thor's power can create Thunderstorm, Tidal Waves, and exploding Volcanoes on a Planetary scale-Journey Into Mystery-#94. In fact, if, somehow, Thor's hammer is unmade the consequences are unthinkable and cataclysmic: Not only Erupting Volcano's worldwide, Tidal Waves would immediately ensue, but Impact of Celestial bodies, as well- Avengers-#330. Also, Thor can use the power of the storm at a moment's notice.
For instance, Thor used a spear of wind, or an indescribable powerful tornado, that he literally pushed against Surtur (THE Fire Elemental of Norse Myths, older than Time itself), that caused Surtur to say: "NEVER HAVE I FELT SUCH FORCE!" And, in that same issue, Thor used the power of the Storm to divert an Asteroid from it's course and hurl it against Surtur-Thor-#177. In addition, Thor's power over the Storm can create enough suction to whisk famous landmarks like the Eiffel Tower into the Atmosphere-JIM-#94.

13) TRANSMIGRATION OF SOULS: Thor's hammer has the ability to transmigrate souls- see Thor#363.

14) HEALING FACTOR: Thor's hammer can speed up healing (Thor#155).

15) ERASE MEMORY: Thor's hammer can, in effect, erase memory (Invaders#33).

16) SLEEP: Thor's hammer can really put you to sleep (Thor#372).

17) A DETECTOR, OR THOR'S HAMMER ABILITY TO TRACK: Thor's hammer can detect where evil is a foot (Thor#417); or can track anyone who doesn't want to be found (Avengers#14). In addition, Thor's hammer can track practically all kinds of energy signature-Thor Corps-#1, Avengers-#309, and Strange Tales-#182. In addition, something that is called ELECTRONS FREE FLOWING enables Thor's hammer to detect any Asgardian's Aura by their electron's discharge- See Journey Into MYstery#104.

19) VITALITY: Thor's hammer can increase VITALITY to any being that finds himself in a significant weak state. I guess Viagra, and Ginseng would have to take a serious back seat to Thor's hammer in this case-See Thor-#343.

20) COSMIC ENERGY: Thor's hammer can produce Cosmic Energy (Avengers#5).

21) SOLAR FLARES: Thor's hammer can produce Solar Flares; which is about twice the temperature of the Sun.

22) ANTI-MATTER PARTICLES: Thor's hammer can manufacture Anti-Matter particles. These particles could potentially erase anyone, or anything from existence. It's little wonder why Kang's Anti-Matter Screen that's capable of instantly disintegrating any Earthly matter did not affected Thor's hammer in the least-See Avengers-#8 (vol.1).

23) ALPHA PARTICLES: Thor's hammer can harness Alpha Particles from the atmosphere and could use it to Atomize any weaponry, JIM-#102.

24) INTERDIMENSIONAL ENERGY: Thor's hammer can tap or attract quantities of Interdimensional Matrix energy (In this case, Matrix meaning from the main or principal source). This is certainly an extraordinary significant power and ability-Thor-#395.

25) INVISIBILITY AND INTANGIBILITY: In order to protect the Black Knight, Thor created a vortex surrounding the Black Knight that was completely Invisible and Intangible to all eyes except Thor's-Avengers-#300. Also, in a quarrel against the Vision, Thor used his hammer to completely disrupt the Vision while he was in a Intangible state, thus rendering the Vision senseless-Avengers Annual-#8. In addition, check LS list below on Thor-#428 regarding Phasing.

26) CROWD MANIPULATION: Thor's hammer can put literally an entire crowd in a trance, or totally under his control by using the Sun's rays-Thor-#102. The head of Thor's hammer lights up like a mini-Sun.

27) MAGNETISM: Thor can attract or magnetize Mechanical constructs into the ground, such as Flying Vehicles, Giant robots (JIM-#101,102), and even sentient beings like Loki. Thor attracted him when he was about to jump from a cliff-Avengers-#no.1. In addition, Thor's hammer can create a MAGNETIC FIELD (a la Magneto) that enabled him to temporarily transport himself, Captain America, Sersi, Jarvis and Spiderman to a pre-determine destination-Avengers-#315. This makes quite a lot of sense since Thor's power over Magnetism has been well documented since the creation of his character in the early 60's.

28) ANTI-GRAVITY: (SOMETIMES, MISTAKENLY CALLED ANTI-FORCE): A power that can literally Physically incapacitates his opponent, and sent then where they came from. Thor did this to the Super-Skrull when he sent him from Earth to his space ship in Earth's orbit. The Super-Skrull said, "I AM HELPLESS-caught in the grip of a FORCE I cannot begin to comprehend!" This power is similar to that of Graviton. Another such example occurred when Beta Ray Bill-Thor- #440- repelled the Giant Uroc upward against gravity to the surprise of both Dargo and Thundestrike.

29) ANTI-FORCE: The full power of the Anti-Force is so unbelievably powerful and the fury of such blast is so indescribable that Thor, with just one blast, once took out an entire Battalion of Barbarians along with Boulders, and a Giant Tank that was literally ripped to shreds against that devastating onslaught-Thor-#205. In terms of range, Thor's Anti-Force could cover a wide area. In Thor-#207, Thor was trapped by Giant Boulders, and with just one Power-Blast the Giant Boulders were torn to pieces. Against Ego, Thor destroyed an entire Building thrown at Thor at close range with another Power-Blast-Thor-#203.

31) NETHERWORLD POWER: or power from the dark dimensions (Thor#101). Check on Ghost Rider unique Supernatural abilities.

32) ESSENCE OF LIGHT: Thor's hammer infused the Demon Darkoth with the Essence of Light to counteract Mephisto's Essence of Evil. Thus, turning the Demon away from Mephisto's Evil control- Thor-#325

35) ABILITY TO FLY: Thor's hammer provides the ability for Thor to fly at such speed that he can literally become invisible-JIM-#94, and can perform complicated maneuvers like performing a Pinwheel around a Flying Trans-Atlantic Jet-JIM-#107. Thor top flying speed has been clocked at THREE TIMES the speed of LIGHT-Thor-#185. In addition, Thor can transport the Avengers by literally flying together from one area of the city to another-Avengers-#58. And in "The Saga of Beta Ray Bill", after teleporting to Bill's starship's current location (and the ship flying by him at many times the speed of light), Thor uses Mjolnir to fly after and catch up with the starship.


If you're wondering about the missing numbers, I omitted them due to them descibing the physical powers of Thor rather than the powers of his hammer. And here's a link if you want to see the site for yourself...
http://www.startrekphase2media.com/The_Power_of_Thor.html

Well that just about seals the versatility arguement.

goober. Is there a point? Orion's box can destroy the universe and remake it. Top that. Hah.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Well that just about seals the versatility arguement.
There was never any argument that thor was more versatile. Just that Orion has higher stats and enough versatility to make it hard on thor.

Originally posted by fangirl101
goober. Is there a point? Orion's box can destroy the universe and remake it. Top that. Hah.
When has Orion's Motherbox destroyed and remade the universe?

And the point was provide a list so we can test the claim that Orion is just as versatile as Thor.

Originally posted by darthgoober
When has Orion's Motherbox destroyed and remade the universe?

And the point was provide a list so we can test the claim that Orion is just as versatile as Thor.
NO one argued that. Just that orion is versatile enough and his stats are higher so that it's no easy win for thor. I'd say 5/10 each. And Orion's box remade the universe in JLA rock of ages.

Originally posted by fangirl101
There was never any argument that thor was more versatile. Just that Orion has higher stats and enough versatility to make it hard on thor.

Actually cloud 102 said that Orion was just as versatile as thor.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Actually cloud 102 said that Orion was just as versatile as thor.
I guess if I felt like it I could post Orion's versatility. I could get a good 20 out I think. But I'm on city of heroes right now. about to level.

Originally posted by fangirl101
NO one argued that. Just that orion is versatile enough and his stats are higher so that it's no easy win for thor.
I beg to differ...

Originally posted by fangirl101
MB pretty much even's out versatility. And the Astro force has quite a few different energy attacks of it's own. And the MB also heals.

Originally posted by cloud102
What things has Thor done that Orion hasn't? I have read a lot of Thor (though, wouldn't say an expert), and he basically does the same thing. Thor blasts. I see him do other things occasionally, but everything I have seen Thor do, Orion has done so as well.

Hell, even in one of Orion's early run's, Himon has once stated that the MB's can do pretty much anything the user wants. As long as they keep good relationship with them.

How are those not claims that Orion w/MB is just as versatile as Thor?

Originally posted by fangirl101
I'd say 5/10 each. And Orion's box remade the universe in JLA rock of ages.

Wasn't that something called a "Fatherbox" and isn't that an alternate timeline or something like that?

Originally posted by darthgoober
I beg to differ...





How are those not claims that Orion w/MB is just as versatile as Thor?



Wasn't that something called a "Fatherbox" and isn't that an alternate timeline or something like that?
No. Father boxes belong to the evil new gods. and it was orion's genesis box. It's a mother box reprogrammed. Not an alternate timeline. remember new gods are remade with each no existance becuz there is only one set of them. like there is only one set of gaurdians.

Sorry on COH. can't fully post right now. later.

Originally posted by fangirl101
No. Father boxes belong to the evil new gods. and it was orion's genesis box. It's a mother box reprogrammed. Not an alternate timeline. remember new gods are remade with each no existance becuz there is only one set of them. like there is only one set of gaurdians.
A reprogrammed Motherbox... you do realize that a reprogrammed MB isn't something that Orion has for this fight right? He get's a Motherbox, not a Genisis Box.

And where does Rock of Ages fit in DC continuity? Also, isn't that the arc in which DS got taken out by the Atom?

Originally posted by darthgoober
A reprogrammed Motherbox... you do realize that a reprogrammed MB isn't something that Orion has for this fight right? He get's a Motherbox, not a Genisis Box.

And where does Rock of Ages fit in DC continuity? Also, isn't that the arc in which DS got taken out by the Atom?

Hence why the new gods are constantly wiped away and start over in the fourth world. grant alluded to it in the seven soldiers I believe. the MB's reprogram themselves.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Hence why the new gods are constantly wiped away and start over in the fourth world. grant alluded to it in the seven soldiers I believe. the MB's reprogram themselves.
You're not answering the questions, where does Rock of Ages fit in DC continuity? Also, isn't that the arc in which DS got taken out by the Atom?

And the opening post didn't say anything about a modified Motherbox, so Orion gets the standard model. Now if you have some proof of a Motherbox transforming itself into a Genisis Box on-the-fly in combat, I'd be happy to take a look at it.

New gods 1.
Astro force Dissolves Metal on human's heads without harming them.
Astro Force Catches Impact of Omega Rod And Absorbs the energy.
New gods 2.
Orion Uses Mother Box for telepathy
Orion Uses mother Box to detect and track invisible energy beams
New God's 3.
Orion uses Mother box for atomic restructuring on organic flesh.
New Gods 4.
Mother Box Computes an instrument that shields activities from it and who's hiding it for Orion
Orion uses Mother box to telepathically search entire city for inter gang.
Mother Box tracks the Deep six.
New Gods 5
Orion controls air molecules to create a shield of air around him in the deep ocean.
New Gods 6.
Astro force uses a magna beam to bind to the atomic structure of a plastic raft to save some humans and tow them to safety.
Mother Box Scans for life of enemy.It turns out to be lightray
New Gods8.
Orion flies along side Lightray with no astro force harness
New Gods12.
Orion no longer uses the astro harness and harnesses the AF in his hands like energy amps.
Orion Uses the Mother box to scan a human being and actually teach orion everything about the guy in seconds so he can matter manip himself into the guy for secret identity
New Gods13
Uses Astro-Force to create fire to melt clamps
Uses the AF to shatter the molecular bonds that hold one of the deep six together. Literally scattering his atoms.
New Gods 14
Uses Mother to send out telepathic distress signal and finds out his freinds are also fighting
Uses MB to send telepathic message to highfather from earth to New Genesis.
New Gods 15
Mother Box matter manips Orion into his human form
New Gods 16
Orion uses the Astro force to fly from New Genesis to Earth in Less than a heart beat.


And this is just the first part of the New Gods. Shall I go on?

Orion Flies

Originally posted by fangirl101
New gods 1.
Astro force Dissolves Metal on human's heads without harming them.
Astro Force Catches Impact of Omega Rod And Absorbs the energy.
New gods 2.
Orion Uses Mother Box for telepathy
Orion Uses mother Box to detect and track invisible energy beams
New God's 3.
Orion uses Mother box for atomic restructuring on organic flesh.
New Gods 4.
Mother Box Computes an instrument that shields activities from it and who's hiding it for Orion
Orion uses Mother box to telepathically search entire city for inter gang.
Mother Box tracks the Deep six.
New Gods 5
Orion controls air molecules to create a shield of air around him in the deep ocean.
New Gods 6.
Astro force uses a magna beam to bind to the atomic structure of a plastic raft to save some humans and tow them to safety.
Mother Box Scans for life of enemy.It turns out to be lightray
New Gods8.
Orion flies along side Lightray with no astro force harness
New Gods12.
Orion no longer uses the astro harness and harnesses the AF in his hands like energy amps.
Orion Uses the Mother box to scan a human being and actually teach orion everything about the guy in seconds so he can matter manip himself into the guy for secret identity
New Gods13
Uses Astro-Force to create fire to melt clamps
Uses the AF to shatter the molecular bonds that hold one of the deep six together. Literally scattering his atoms.
New Gods 14
Uses Mother to send out telepathic distress signal and finds out his freinds are also fighting
Uses MB to send telepathic message to highfather from earth to New Genesis.
New Gods 15
Mother Box matter manips Orion into his human form
New Gods 16
Orion uses the Astro force to fly from New Genesis to Earth in Less than a heart beat.


And this is just the first part of the New Gods. Shall I go on?

Orion Flies
Are these all feats that Orion himself has accomplished with a MB, or just the feats of Orion and various other MB users? And...
Originally posted by darthgoober
You're not answering the questions, where does Rock of Ages fit in DC continuity? Also, isn't that the arc in which DS got taken out by the Atom?

And the opening post didn't say anything about a modified Motherbox, so Orion gets the standard model. Now if you have some proof of a Motherbox transforming itself into a Genisis Box on-the-fly in combat, I'd be happy to take a look at it.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Are these all feats that Orion himself has accomplished with a MB, or just the feats of Orion and various other MB users? And...
Those are all Orion feats. And I haven't even gotten into the 2nd half or Volume 2.
Rock of Ages fits in New Gods continuity. Thier continuity doesn't run with the Main DCU. Hence why they are in the 5th World but the rest of the DCU hasn't been reconstructed. The best explaination was one Metron Gave that the gods battle and stay in constant struggle. Sometime's DS wins. Sometime's New Gen wins. And they are reborn, Some times more powerful, sometimes less. And it starts all over as if from millions of years ago. It is some shit Grant morrison came up with. I'll try and find a scan of it. I have more Orion feats coming up.

Ok New gods 89 Edition.
New gods 1
Orion uses the Mother Box to amp his Astro-Force powers to literally absorb and destroy a portion of the Anti-Life.
New gods 2
Orion uses boom tube. This is the first Time I see him use it. But I dont' own every new gods appearance so he may have used it outside of a new gods book.
Orion uses MB to reverse Polarity of two monitor's beams and send thier own blast back at them.
New Gods 4
Orion Uses mother box to heal forager instantly
New Gods 5
Charging Fist with Astro Force to amp his punches against Mantis
Orion summons boom tube to alter trajectory of a missle
New Gods6
Forms some kind of Solid AF construct that to destroy a machine
New Gods8
Orion uses Af to burst bonds around his body. Not sure what it is he uses.
New gods 14.
Orion some how forces flames in the direction of lightray so that he can asborb the heat. he doesn't use AF. Its almost like he just willed them.
New Gods 17.
Orion goes all cosmic to show this human what a God can do. Looking like eternity and shooting beams out of his form.

New Gods 1995
New gods 1.
Orion uses AF to cleanse New gen of Some mystich death that even highfather can't defeat
New Gods 4.
Orion creates a full force shield tight around himself kinda like Superman's Bio Aura
I'll post more later. On Orion. I can only take so much. ZOMG

Originally posted by fangirl101
New Gods 1995
New gods 1.
Orion uses AF to cleanse New gen of Some mystich death that even highfather can't defeat
New Gods 4.
Orion creates a full force shield tight around himself kinda like Superman's Bio Aura
I'll post more later. On Orion. I can only take so much. ZOMG

Not to burst ur bubble, but u r posting individual feats which are kinda repetitive as many of them make use of the same powers though the feats may be different.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Not to burst ur bubble, but u r posting individual feats which are kinda repetitive as many of them make use of the same powers though the feats may be different.
You haven't burst shit. Really. I'm just giving the feats. Now if they are repetitive, copy them and tell me what's repetitive about them. I haven't even gone thru fourth world or the two orion series.

Originally posted by fangirl101
You haven't burst shit. Really. I'm just giving the feats. Now if they are repetitive, copy them and tell me what's repetitive about them. I haven't even gone thru fourth world or the two orion series.

OH jeez try to get the point before going off on rants. The point of the debate is to determine the greater versatility. U are just posting what he does issue per issue regardless of whether he is doing something similar to what was done in a previous issue.

In one comic u mention him flying, In another one u mention him flying again. U mentioned feats were he did inorganic molecular manipulation by dissolving/restructuring something on like five different occasions. U mention telepathy in like three or four. U mentioned feats that involved he mother box tracking on 4 or 5 different occasions as well etc. NOt to say that he isnt still pretty versatile but simply mentioning what he does in almost evry issue is not going to prove he is as versatile as thor.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
OH jeez try to get the point before going off on rants. The point of the debate is to determine the greater versatility. U are just posting what he does issue per issue regardless of whether he is doing something similar to what was done in a previous issue.

In one comic u mention him flying, In another one u mention him flying again. U mentioned feats were he did inorganic molecular manipulation by dissolving/restructuring something on like five different occasions. U mention telepathy in like three or four. U mentioned feats that involved he mother box tracking on 4 or 5 different occasions as well.
First of all. I never said Orion had greater veratility Thano Thor. I said he was versatile enough coupled with his greater Stats that they were evenly matched.

next, don't tell me you are bursting my bubble. If you were looking at the comics like I was, then you'd know they were different kinds of event. He uses telepathy in one instance to scan the city.

In another he allows human beings to see what he's seeing.

In another he's calling to highfather from Earth to new genesis. I wanted to show the range of his power.

etc.

And I didn't say inorganic manip like 5 times. becuz that's not what the book says. I'm sorry if anyone comes near to your precious Thor that you have to tell someone that you hate to burst a bubble. That was dumb.

Originally posted by fangirl101
First of all. I never said Orion had greater veratility Thano Thor. I said he was versatile enough coupled with his greater Stats that they were evenly matched.

next, don't tell me you are bursting my bubble. If you were looking at the comics like I was, then you'd know they were different kinds of event. He uses telepathy in one instance to scan the city.

In another he allows human beings to see what he's seeing.

In another he's calling to highfather from Earth to new genesis. I wanted to show the range of his power.

etc.

And I didn't say inorganic manip like 5 times. becuz that's not what the book says. I'm sorry if anyone comes near to your precious Thor that you have to tell someone that you hate to burst a bubble. That was dumb.

Wait so its that statement thats making go on this uneccessary rant?lol

What i got from ur statements (and what most people probably got) is that u believed thor and orion were equal in versatility. And what i was pointing out was that u mentioning him using the same power in different instances does not prove that in any way. As i pointed out, u kept mentioning instances of him using what was in essence inorganic matter manip through restructuring/dissolving things and other instances of him using in essence the same power in different instances. This wud not be a valid way to prove that Orion was as versatile as thor. But since u say u u never intended that then there are no problems as i have already said that thor and orion are pretty evenly matched. So cool ur rant about "my precious thor" or whatever ur talking about cuz it is highly uneccessary.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Wait so its that statement thats making go on this uneccessary rant?lol

What i got from ur statements (and what most people probably got) is that u believed thor and orion were equal in versatility. And what i was pointing out was that u mentioning him using the same power in different instances does not prove that in any way. A very valid point. But since u say u u never intended that then there are no problems as i have already said that thor and orion are pretty evenly matched. So cool ur rant about "my precious thor" or whatever ur talking about cuz it is highly uneccessary. and you dont' think telling me that you hate to burst my bubble was highly unnecessary? really.

Thanks, Fangirl, this shows that Orion is just as versatile than Thor. I looked at goober's list and Orion has done virtually all of those feats at one time.

Some others I'd like to add:

Mother Box has shown to calm people and take people out of trances.

Orion has also shown the ability to FLY without the harness.

Originally posted by fangirl101
and you dont' think telling me that you hate to burst my bubble was highly unnecessary? really.

lol. So i was right. That statement is whats gotten u riled. lol.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Well did orion contain the energy itself or defeat the guy who was using the energy? Cuz battles always have circumstances and context to them and so trying to use them as evidence without giving the actual details of the fight wud be poor ABC logic.

As for versatility, Ill just name some things thor has done which u havent mentioned orion being able to do

Thor has turned people invisible
Thor has produced antimatter
THor has shown the ability to negate gravity
Thor has transmuted absorbing man to gas
Thor has shrunk hyperion to antsize
Thor has absorbed life force etc..

As for top tiers in marvel thor is second only to Ss versatility wise.

To be honest, there are a couple things Orion hasn't done on your list. Like transmuting a man into gas, but Orion has transmuted other things before. Like when he transmuted a gun (I Think it was a gun) into flours.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
lol. So i was right. That statement is whats gotten u riled. lol. I suppose I could start posting stuff like Orion's superspeed, and I've found evidence that he and DS were fighting at Superspeeds. Or How he survived being in the middle of two planets when they crashed together. Or how he's beaten demons in thier own wrealms, etc. Adding in his ridiculous flight speed without the harness, combat speed, and MB, He's exactly a match for thor's versatility.

Originally posted by cloud102
To be honest, there are a couple things Orion hasn't done on your list. Like transmuting a man into gas, but Orion has transmuted other things before. Like when he transmuted a gun (I Think it was a gun) into flours.

Even fangirl agrees that Orion is not quite as versatile as thor not that he isnt pretty versatile himself.

Anything Thor can do, Orion can counter it with the Mother Box. It has been stated it can do practically anything.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Even fangirl agrees that Orion is not quite as versatile as thor not that he isnt pretty versatile himself.

So? All of those lists you have posted, Orion has done at one point or another. So I still don't see how he's more versatile.

Originally posted by fangirl101
I suppose I could start posting stuff like Orion's superspeed, and I've found evidence that he and DS were fighting at Superspeeds. Or How he survived being in the middle of two planets when they crashed together. Or how he's beaten demons in thier own wrealms, etc. Adding in his ridiculous flight speed without the harness, combat speed, and MB, He's exactly a match for thor's versatility.

Thor has survived the pressure equivalent to a score of planets and planetary destroying weapons. Beating demonsin their own realm or whatever really doesnt porve anything as it is ABC logic.

Originally posted by cloud102
Anything Thor can do, Orion can counter it with the Mother Box. It has been stated it can do practically anything.

It being stated that it can do anything hardly proves ur point. Surfer powercosmic has been stated to be able to accomplish anything, so are we to assume that he can?

And no all the stuff i posted orion hasnt done at one time or the other. Even u just admitted that in a previous post.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Thor has survived the pressure equivalent to a score of planets and planetary destroying weapons. Beating demonsin their own realm or whatever really doesnt porve anything as it is ABC logic.

Where did you get ABC logic from?

Anyway, Orion can lock on to a person's electron's so he knows where they are at all times

Orion uses the mother box to Phase thru buildings by "thinning out" his molecular structure

When Orion Transfigures himself to Mr. Miracle, He actually Gets Mr. Miracle's Acrobatics, and His ability to escape any prison. And he doesn't even know how he does it.

Mother Box can atomic restructur things out of NOTHING.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
It being stated that it can do anything hardly proves ur point. Surfer powercosmic has been stated to be able to accomplish anything, so are we to assume that he can?

And no all the stuff i posted orion hasnt done at one time or the other. Even u just admitted that in a previous post.

I admited he never turned someone into gas, but has Thor transmuted something into flours? See it balances out. And Fangirl hasn't posted every Orion appearance. He's only covered like half.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Where did you get ABC logic from?

Anyway, Orion can lock on to a person's electron's so he knows where they are at all times

Orion uses the mother box to Phase thru buildings by "thinning out" his molecular structure

When Orion Transfigures himself to Mr. Miracle, He actually Gets Mr. Miracle's Acrobatics, and His ability to escape any prison. And he doesn't even know how he does it.

Mother Box can atomic restructur things out of NOTHING.

ABC logic, comes in when u talked about orion defeating demons in his own realm. It is meaningless in this instance and it has no bearings on this match. Trying to use it as proof of anything in relation to thor is ABC logic. And really i dont understand u. When i take u up on ur claims that orion is as versatile as thor u back out and say u never intended that and yet u keep mentioning feats of orion trying to show his versatility. Where do u stand on the issue? If u bleieve his as versatile then say it so that we can go over this whole thing again.

Originally posted by cloud102
I admited he never turned someone into gas, but has Thor transmuted something into flours? See it balances out. And Fangirl hasn't posted every Orion appearance. He's only covered like half.
I'm having trouble finding Jack Kirby's Fourth world. And I haven't even gotten to His Guest appearances yet. From the looks of it, The Astro Force allows him to control the four forces of the universe. Strong, Weak, Gravity, And ElectroMagnetic. Plus the wierd ethereal like stuff he does.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
ABC logic, comes in when u talked about orion defeating demons in his own realm. It is meaningless in this instance and it has no bearings on this match. Trying to use it as proof of anything in relation to thor is ABC logic. And really i dont understand u. When i take u up on ur claims that orion is as versatile as thor u back out and say u never intended that and yet u keep mentioning feats of orion trying to show his versatility. Where do u stand on the issue? If u bleieve his as versatile then say it so that we can go over this whole thing again.
No. I stated that If I looked enough I could find at least 20 feats. But let's be real about it. Mother Box in Orion's hand can matter manip.That's already nearly as versatile as you can get. It can create things out of nothing or change organic or inorganic matter. And it can give him the abilities and skills of anyone he transforms into. Orion can phase with it. Use Telepathy. Implant illusions. Etc.

Originally posted by cloud102
I admited he never turned someone into gas, but has Thor transmuted something into flours? See it balances out. And Fangirl hasn't posted every Orion appearance. He's only covered like half.

Fangirl was being repetitive and simply posting feats even though those feats involved the use of the same powers just in different instances but then admitted that she was not trying to prove the versatility arguement but show orions expertise in those areas.. ITs not about whether thor has transmuted things into flowers, the arguement is about versatility and hence is about whether thor has the ability of inorganic transmutation( which he does). Simply listing instances where orion makes use of this power( one that thor has) and saying that he has done done this and this and this (and listing a near infinite number of instances) does prove he is as versatile than thor. I need not go over this again.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Fangirl was being repetitive and simply posting feats even though those feats involved the use of the same powers just in different instances but then admitted that she was not trying to prove the versatility arguement but show orions expertise in those areas.. ITs not about whether thor has transmuted things into flowers, the arguement is about versatility and hence is about whether thor has the ability of inorganic transmutation( which he does). Simply listing instances where orion makes use of this power( one that thor has) and saying that he has done done this and this and this (and listing a near infinite number of instances) does prove he is as versatile than thor. I need not go over this again.
Orion transmutes Organic and inorganic. And creates stuff out of nothing. He can transmute himself. even gaining the skills and power of whom he transmutes to if the MB knows about the person's abilities. Now that is something not many beings can boast about.

Originally posted by fangirl101
No. I stated that If I looked enough I could find at least 20 feats. But let's be real about it. Mother Box in Orion's hand can matter manip.That's already nearly as versatile as you can get. It can create things out of nothing or change organic or inorganic matter. And it can give him the abilities and skills of anyone he transforms into. Orion can phase with it. Use Telepathy. Implant illusions. Etc.

Wait wait. Are u now saying that u never denied that ur arguement was to prove that orion was as versatile as thor? I really hope not because ur statements are there for all to see AND QUOTE.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Fangirl was being repetitive and simply posting feats even though those feats involved the use of the same powers just in different instances but then admitted that she was not trying to prove the versatility arguement but show orions expertise in those areas.. ITs not about whether thor has transmuted things into flowers, the arguement is about versatility and hence is about whether thor has the ability of inorganic transmutation( which he does). Simply listing instances where orion makes use of this power( one that thor has) and saying that he has done done this and this and this (and listing a near infinite number of instances) does prove he is as versatile than thor. I need not go over this again.

I still don't see how Thor is more versatile. You haven't really proved anything. Thor has used his hammer to do a shit load of things. I get that.

Orion has the Astro Force and Mother Box to do the same.

Originally posted by fangirl101
I'm having trouble finding Jack Kirby's Fourth world. And I haven't even gotten to His Guest appearances yet. From the looks of it, The Astro Force allows him to control the four forces of the universe. Strong, Weak, Gravity, And ElectroMagnetic. Plus the wierd ethereal like stuff he does.

I remember Orion also controlling various forms of energy throughout the EM spectrum, containing spirits/souls, manipulating gravity, sealing off dimensions to trap opponents, and rebuilding and cleansing entire cities of taint.

Originally posted by cloud102
I still don't see how Thor is more versatile. You haven't really proved anything. Thor has used his hammer to do a shit load of things. I get that.

Orion has the Astro Force and Mother Box to do the same.

Nope. The challenge was to do a power for power count with issue numbers and evrything. Even though fangirl didnt do that and just started mentioning feats, The list goober posted still far outnumbers anything posted on the orion side.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Nope. The challenge was to do a power for power count with issue numbers and evrything. Even though fangirl didnt do that and just started mentioning feats, The list goober posted still far outnumbers anything posted on the orion side.
many things thor does are variants of the same thing as well. Surfer could use matter manip and do an infinite number of things with that one ability.

Originally posted by fangirl101
many things thor does are variants of the same thing as well. Surfer could use matter manip and do an infinite number of things with that one ability.

No the thor feats were divided up into sections and categories indicating the different powers. Matter manipulation is a very broad category which can be subdivided into organic inorganic etc. A lot of powers can actually be grouped under the broad category of matter manip. The point was that u kept repeatedly mentioning Orion performing essentially the same feat, dissolve/restructure,forcefields/telepathy/scanningetc.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
No the thor feats were divided up into sections and categories indicating the different powers. Matter manipulation is a very broad category which can be subdivided into organic inorganic etc. A lot of powers can actually be grouped under the broad category of matter manip. The point was that u kept repeatedly mentioning Orion performing essentially the same feat, dissolve/restructure,forcefields/telepathy/scanningetc.
NO Orion has done with his AF and MB

Force Fields
Controlling The Omegas
Calling Lightning
Erasing Death
Absorbing energy
Absorbing and Amping the ALE
Telepathy
Scanning
Teleportation
Phasing
Matter Manip organic and inorganic
Creation of materials out of nothing
Abilities mimmicking
Sub Atomic Disintegration
Self Healing
Healing of Others
Polarity Restructuring
Changing Gravity Constants
Magnetism
Electron Tagging
Energy Transfer
Manipulate life Forces
Controlling Non Sentient Beings
Evolve Machines( Did this with Orion's AF harness)
Control's Emotions
manipulated Fire
Manipulated Air
Destroyed Atomic Bonds
Relocated Thousands of beings from one place to another
Flight Faster than Even Superman has to his credit

And this is just off top of my head. Adding in his Super Speed on the ground, Which he's used Several times now that I've done the research including a fight with DS, And Superman Level Strength, He's easily under rated which is my point. Not to Mention Orion can if he wishes, Us the AF to Amp his strength like Thanos does. Orion has Amped his strength to break an Omega Rod of Kalibak's that was forged to be unbreakable.

Originally posted by fangirl101
NO Orion has done with his AF and MB

Force Fields
Controlling The Omegas
Calling Lightning
Erasing Death
Absorbing energy
Absorbing and Amping the ALE
Telepathy
Scanning
Teleportation
Phasing
Matter Manip organic and inorganic
Creation of materials out of nothing
Abilities mimmicking
Sub Atomic Disintegration
Self Healing
Healing of Others
Polarity Restructuring
Changing Gravity Constants
Magnetism
Electron Tagging
Energy Transfer
Manipulate life Forces
Controlling Non Sentient Beings
Evolve Machines( Did this with Orion's AF harness)
Control's Emotions
manipulated Fire
Manipulated Air
Destroyed Atomic Bonds
Relocated Thousands of beings from one place to another
Flight Faster than Even Superman has to his credit

And this is just off top of my head. Adding in his Super Speed on the ground, Which he's used Several times now that I've done the research including a fight with DS, And Superman Level Strength, He's easily under rated which is my point. Not to Mention Orion can if he wishes, Us the AF to Amp his strength like Thanos does. Orion has Amped his strength to break an Omega Rod of Kalibak's that was forged to be unbreakable.

Frankly im tired of going round and round. I was referring to the feats u posted previously when we were going power for power with issue numbers and evrything not some of the ones u just added now which ( without issue numbers by the way) which still dont even match thors tally. I also find it funny that most of orions feats u mentioned are relatively unknown and not in his respect thread considering that he is a fairly popular character. But no reason to get into that because ive already admitted that both he and thor are evenly matched. Lets just end it there.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Frankly im tired of going round and round. I was referring to the feats u posted previously when we were going power for power with issue numbers and evrything not some of the ones u just added now which ( without issue numbers by the way) which still dont even match thors tally. I also find it funny that most of orions feats u mentioned are relatively unknown and not in his respect thread considering that he is a fairly popular character. But no reason to get into that because ive already admitted that both he and thor are evenly matched. Lets just end it there.
Well considering I had to go all the way back to 1971 to get all of Orion's feats since He doesn't have the publishing History that Thor does, His feats wouldn't be that known. And some people dont' consider telepathy a feat. Or matter manip. When people make a respect thread for Orion, they go for power. I'll redo the Orion respect thread next week probably. Going to do a whole New Gods one. It'll be like the wondy one with every thing divided into sections.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Nope. The challenge was to do a power for power count with issue numbers and evrything. Even though fangirl didnt do that and just started mentioning feats, The list goober posted still far outnumbers anything posted on the orion side.

Well, coming from an Orion fan, I'm going to say and STILL say Orion is just as versatile. I don't own that many comics anymore (sold them when I was living on my own, since I was poor), so I can't give you exact issue numbers. As for the list goober gave, Orion has done all of that, just different variations. He has controlled spirits, the elements, has manipulated different energies, tunrned invisible, intangible like Martian Manhunter, teleported across the universe and other dimensions, tracked beings from across the universe, created force fields, transmuted matter, etc...

Now, if you can give me examples of Thor doing something Orion hasn't then please give me an example.

Originally posted by cloud102
Well, coming from an Orion fan, I'm going to say and STILL say Orion is just as versatile. I don't own that many comics anymore (sold them when I was living on my own, since I was poor), so I can't give you exact issue numbers. As for the list goober gave, Orion has done all of that, just different variations. He has controlled spirits, the elements, has manipulated different energies, tunrned invisible, intangible like Martian Manhunter, teleported across the universe and other dimensions, tracked beings from across the universe, created force fields, transmuted matter, etc...

Now, if you can give me examples of Thor doing something Orion hasn't then please give me an example.
Alot of the stuff Thor did could be viewed as pretty much the same things with different names.

Thor pretty has done
Energy Manipulation of varying sorts.
Spacial Manipulation
Supernatural Manipulation
Matter Manipulation
Weather
Magnetism.
Etc.

The question should be looked at it from a Different perspective. What can each do that is OUT OF THE RANGE OF ABILITIES of the other.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Frankly im tired of going round and round. I was referring to the feats u posted previously when we were going power for power with issue numbers and evrything not some of the ones u just added now which ( without issue numbers by the way) which still dont even match thors tally. I also find it funny that most of orions feats u mentioned are relatively unknown and not in his respect thread considering that he is a fairly popular character. But no reason to get into that because ive already admitted that both he and thor are evenly matched. Lets just end it there.

Actually the original creator of the respect thread, ASTRO, stated he was hardly done with the respect thread. It was just an introductory of Orion. I've seen Orion do a lot more.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Alot of the stuff Thor did could be viewed as pretty much the same things with different names.

Thor pretty has done
Energy Manipulation of varying sorts.
Spacial Manipulation
Supernatural Manipulation
Matter Manipulation
Weather
Magnetism.
Etc.

The question should be looked at it from a Different perspective. What can each do that is OUT OF THE RANGE OF ABILITIES of the other.

As for Orion, you can also add he can learn any language on the spot and knows ALL forms of war fare from across the UNIVERSE.

Almost defeating Valkyrie, the GREATEST martial artist in the universe is an awesome feat of skill. And this was when Orion was WEAKENED.