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The battle is:

Kidomaru
Jirobo
Sakon
Tayuya
Kimmimaro

vs

Itachi
Deidara
Hidan
Kakuzu
Sasori

Which group wins?

akatsuki would win but i think kimmimaro would take at least one or two out if he was healthy

Sound gets shut down. The rest wont even stand a chance and Kimimaro would get outnumbered too quickly by people with similiar tier level of skill.

Itachi could do this himself. He rapes the others with clones cause they're weak while he mind rapes Kimimaro with Tsukiyomi. Or just kills them all with Amaterasu.

Actually I think any Akatsuki could pretty much solo. Though Kidomaru's webs would be the only hassle but him and the other three would be dead nearly instantly leaving Kimimaro who doesn't really stand a chance except maybe against Sasori.

akatsuki will win with E's but kimmimaro will not go down with out a fight

I say Itachi, Deidara, and Kakuzu could solo, but I don't think Sasori could, and no way Hidan.

Itachi beats Kimmimaro, Deidara beats Sakon, Kidomaru beats Hidan, Kakuzu beats Jirobo, Sasori beats Tayuya, Itachi, Deidara, Kakuzu, and Sasori pound Kidomaru.

Originally posted by Wil7
I say Itachi, Deidara, and Kakuzu could solo, but I don't think Sasori could, and no way Hidan.

Itachi beats Kimmimaro, Deidara beats Sakon, Kidomaru beats Hidan, Kakuzu beats Jirobo, Sasori beats Tayuya, Itachi, Deidara, Kakuzu, and Sasori pound Kidomaru. Actually Hidan could do it easier because he's unable to be killed and all he needs is some blood from Kimimaro and Kimimaro is dead. The others are non-threats.

Originally posted by Kento
Actually Hidan could do it easier because he's unable to be killed and all he needs is some blood from Kimimaro and Kimimaro is dead. The others are non-threats.

Hidan won't be able to get blood from Kimmimaro because he will use the bones to protect himself, and use braken dance to get him stuck on the bone and then Kimmimaro will tell stories about his past life to Hidan. Kidomaru gets Hidan stuck in a web. Don't see Hidan beating Tayuya because he won't be able to get close enough. I don't see him beating Sakon, because, well he is the 2nd strongest. Hidan's beat chance is against Jirobo, and yet I still don't know about Jirobo.

i think itachi will solo he can just use the black fire

Yeah, Itachi would beat them all, pretty badly.

Anyone here could probably solo.

The Sound Four were friggin pwned in the ass by two Chunins who were at half strength, had to go CS2 to beat em, and admitted if they did not they would have died.

Hidan with his immortality, Taijutsu skill, strength, and speed(although not very fast, he is faster than most on team 1), and could one shot any of them, through his ritual or just cutting their heads off.

Kakuzu can protect himself from damn near any attack short of Tayuya's Genjutsu, is strong, is fast, can pull their hearts out for t3h win, and can separate his masks from him to give himself more fronts for attack.

Adding Sasori tips the scale. Any one of Sasori's many poison filled attacks ranging from his flying needles of death to his 3rd Kazekage puppet's Iron Sand jutsu will one shot due to poison, he can use his many puppets to outnumber and overwhelm some of the physically weaker members like Tayuya, he will be hard to kill, virtually immortal, and has t3h flamethrowers of powa.

Deidara. Fly away, spam bombs. That's really all I can say about this. The only ones who might survive are Kim due to bone armors and Kido due to chakra armor.

Itachi...Genjutsu haxx, speed haxx, Tsukiyomi haxx, Amaterasu haxx, Susano haxx, and last but not least, Sharingan(MS and regular) haxx.

Originally posted by Wil7
Hidan won't be able to get blood from Kimmimaro because he will use the bones to protect himself, and use braken dance to get him stuck on the bone and then Kimmimaro will tell stories about his past life to Hidan. Kidomaru gets Hidan stuck in a web. Don't see Hidan beating Tayuya because he won't be able to get close enough. I don't see him beating Sakon, because, well he is the 2nd strongest. Hidan's beat chance is against Jirobo, and yet I still don't know about Jirobo. And none of them can put Hidan down while all he needs is a superficial hit to kill them. Kimimaro will be the only problem and his bones are going to stop him from getting a small cut which is all Hidan really needs. Just a little bit of blood and Kimimaro is done for.

Sakon is an up close fighter that can bleed. It doesn't matter his skill when he's being killed by an immortal stabbing himself. Jirobu same thing. He's up close. Tayuya's only hope is weak genjutsu, and Kidomaru's only hope is getting him caught in web. Neither that will actually beat Hidan at all. Kimimaro is the only one with any kind of strength in that entire team with a chance to actually win but Hidan has a slightly better chance imo.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Anyone here could probably solo.

The Sound Four were friggin pwned in the ass by two Chunins who were at half strength, had to go CS2 to beat em, and admitted if they did not they would have died.

Hidan with his immortality, Taijutsu skill, strength, and speed(although not very fast, he is faster than most on team 1), and could one shot any of them, through his ritual or just cutting their heads off.

Kakuzu can protect himself from damn near any attack short of Tayuya's Genjutsu, is strong, is fast, can pull their hearts out for t3h win, and can separate his masks from him to give himself more fronts for attack.

Adding Sasori tips the scale. Any one of Sasori's many poison filled attacks ranging from his flying needles of death to his 3rd Kazekage puppet's Iron Sand jutsu will one shot due to poison, he can use his many puppets to outnumber and overwhelm some of the physically weaker members like Tayuya, he will be hard to kill, virtually immortal, and has t3h flamethrowers of powa.

Deidara. Fly away, spam bombs. That's really all I can say about this. The only ones who might survive are Kim due to bone armors and Kido due to chakra armor.

Itachi...Genjutsu haxx, speed haxx, Tsukiyomi haxx, Amaterasu haxx, Susano haxx, and last but not least, Sharingan(MS and regular) haxx.

Not Hidan.

Shikamaru- Chunin, Kiba- Genin, Choji- Genin, Naruto- Genin, Neji- Genin. Who is the other chunin.

Yeah, Sasori probably could beat them, but I want to see him and Kimimmaro go at it.

Deidara solos them all.

Everyone knows Itachi solos them all.

Hidan is the only one.

Caught in a web? Lol?

Any reason why Hidan can't cut the webs?

And besides, Hidan is faster, and also has ranged attacks, and one hit from that gigantic scythe dead on will kill him.

Tayuya has some weak Genjutsu she uses by playing her flute, while doing so, Hidan throws his scythe at her and wins, or uses the thing he has that Shika didn't have(speed), and kills her.

Jirobu just dies. I don't even have to explain why.

Sakon and Ukon are close range specialists, just like Hidan. Only they can die, and their attack strength is not as good as Hidan's. Whoa.

Kim would be the only one he may need to even use his reaper jutsu thingy, and all he needs is a nick to really do it.

Originally posted by Wil7
Not Hidan.

Shikamaru- Chunin, Kiba- Genin, Choji- Genin, Naruto- Genin, Neji- Genin. Who is the other chunin.

Yeah, Sasori probably could beat them, but I want to see him and Kimimmaro go at it.

Deidara solos them all.

Everyone knows Itachi solos them all.

Hidan is the only one. No, dude, the ENTIRE Sound Four had to result to CS2 to beat two weakened Chunin, who are pretty much no-name nobodies.

Hidan will beat most of them without needing to use his special jutsu.

Originally posted by Kento
And none of them can put Hidan down while all he needs is a superficial hit to kill them. Kimimaro will be the only problem and his bones are going to stop him from getting a small cut which is all Hidan really needs. Just a little bit of blood and Kimimaro is done for.

Sakon is an up close fighter that can bleed. It doesn't matter his skill when he's being killed by an immortal stabbing himself. Jirobu same thing. He's up close. Tayuya's only hope is weak genjutsu, and Kidomaru's only hope is getting him caught in web. Neither that will actually beat Hidan at all. Kimimaro is the only one with any kind of strength in that entire team with a chance to actually win but Hidan has a slightly better chance imo.

How would he hit Kidomaru, Tayuya, Kimimaro, or Sakon? Kidomaru gets him stuck in webs, and also has armor to protect his body from getting cut. Tayuya has those 3 frikin huge things. Kimimaro will use braken dance and finish him. Ok, maybe Sakon will lose.

Jirobo would lose. He sucks. Hidan won't get close to her because of the the 3 huge things. Kidomaru has armor and can get him stuck in a web which he won't be able to get out of. I don't think he will be able to take Kimmimaro. Kimmimaro went head2head with Gaara, and Hidan couldn't even beat Shikamaru. He couldn't get blood from Shikamaru, what makes you think he can get blood from them?

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
No, dude, the ENTIRE Sound Four had to result to CS2 to beat two weakened Chunin, who are pretty much no-name nobodies.

Hidan will beat most of them without needing to use his special jutsu.

Actually CS1. We see them use it for the 1st time against Choji, Neji, Shikamaru, Kiba, Naruto, Gaara, and Lee. That is how I remember it. Also, Kimimaro would have killed them all with no CS1 or CS2.

How?

Originally posted by Wil7
How would he hit Kidomaru, Tayuya, Kimimaro, or Sakon? Kidomaru gets him stuck in webs, and also has armor to protect his body from getting cut. Tayuya has those 3 frikin huge things. Kimimaro will use braken dance and finish him. Ok, maybe Sakon will lose.

Jirobo would lose. He sucks. Hidan won't get close to her because of the the 3 huge things. Kidomaru has armor and can get him stuck in a web which he won't be able to get out of. I don't think he will be able to take Kimmimaro. Kimmimaro went head2head with Gaara, and Hidan couldn't even beat Shikamaru. He couldn't get blood from Shikamaru, what makes you think he can get blood from them? 1. By being faster than all but maybe Kim, in fact Kim is prolly faster. Hidan will never get caught in the webs...And the armor? Can be destroyed with enough force. Those three huge things wouldn't help, considering Hidan just needs to kill the very vulnerable Tayuya. He didn't beat Shikamaru because Shika is a bonafide genius of an incredibly high calibur, he does not possess much raw power, but his skills in using his limited powerset are nothing short of remarkable, also, Tayuya had trouble with a much weaker Shika, and that Shika didn't even have like a week of prep like the one Hidan fought.

Originally posted by Wil7
Actually CS1. We see them use it for the 1st time against Choji, Neji, Shikamaru, Kiba, Naruto, Gaara, and Lee. That is how I remember it. Also, Kimimaro would have killed them all with no CS1 or CS2.

How? You sure about that? Regardless, two no-name half-weakened Chunins were a great challenge for all for of them, Hidan easily killed an experienced full strength Jounin. And yeah, Kim is stronger than the rest of his team combined.

Well he is faster than Kido, shouldn't get caught in the web, and if he was could free himself with his scythe, and once again, with such a huge weapon, a direct hit will cripple him, or kill him.

Tayuya only has some low level Genjutsu and three demon guys who couldn't kill Shika, she is not durable, and is nothing up close, Hidan with his ranged attacks and speed should be able to exploit both and keep her on the run, no time to play her flute.

Jirobu is just slow and dumb. Nuff said.

Sakon is wholly a Taijutsu specialist, like Hidan, but Hidan is better at it, can't die, has better offensive capabilities, and also has medium range options, throwing his scythe.

Kim will be the only one he MAY fall to, due to his speed, defense, and offense, but I believe he can likely get a nick, and that is all he needs.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. By being faster than all but maybe Kim, in fact Kim is prolly faster. Hidan will never get caught in the webs...And the armor? Can be destroyed with enough force. Those three huge things wouldn't help, considering Hidan just needs to kill the very vulnerable Tayuya. He didn't beat Shikamaru because Shika is a bonafide genius of an incredibly high calibur, he does not possess much raw power, but his skills in using his limited powerset are nothing short of remarkable, also, Tayuya had trouble with a much weaker Shika, and that Shika didn't even have like a week of prep like the one Hidan fought.

Hidan is faster than them, probably yeah, but he is the slowest akatsuki. Hidan could get stuck in the webs because he was able to get neji, naruto, shikamaru, choji, and even kiba who is faster than hidan. 8 trigrams 64 palms couldn't break it. She could use those guys to protect her, as Shikamaru was on his toes for almost the entire fight. Tayuya would have stabbed him with the kunai and killed him if it wasn't for Temari. I know, Shikamaru beat Hidan's ass. Yeah, he did have a week to prep, you got me there.

Originally posted by Wil7
How would he hit Kidomaru, Tayuya, Kimimaro, or Sakon? Kidomaru gets him stuck in webs, and also has armor to protect his body from getting cut. Tayuya has those 3 frikin huge things. Kimimaro will use braken dance and finish him. Ok, maybe Sakon will lose.

Jirobo would lose. He sucks. Hidan won't get close to her because of the the 3 huge things. Kidomaru has armor and can get him stuck in a web which he won't be able to get out of. I don't think he will be able to take Kimmimaro. Kimmimaro went head2head with Gaara, and Hidan couldn't even beat Shikamaru. He couldn't get blood from Shikamaru, what makes you think he can get blood from them? Kidomaru's a problem to most of them because of his web. But he isn't going to be beating any of them. Tayuya's bodyguards aren't exactly impossible to get pass. And Hidan is immortal. He's not going to worry about being killed and can attack straight on. Kimimaro has a chance...but imo Hidan has a much better chance. It's easier for Hidan to get a scratch on Kimimaro than for Kimimaro to completely dismember Hidan. Sakon...His whole main jutsu is to kill his opponent from the inside. Not going to work against Hidan.

Originally posted by Wil7
Actually CS1. We see them use it for the 1st time against Choji, Neji, Shikamaru, Kiba, Naruto, Gaara, and Lee. That is how I remember it. Also, Kimimaro would have killed them all with no CS1 or CS2.

How?
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/186/02/ They used CS2 against them.

Originally posted by Wil7
Hidan is faster than them, probably yeah, but he is the slowest akatsuki. Hidan could get stuck in the webs because he was able to get neji, naruto, shikamaru, choji, and even kiba who is faster than hidan. 8 trigrams 64 palms couldn't break it. She could use those guys to protect her, as Shikamaru was on his toes for almost the entire fight. Tayuya would have stabbed him with the kunai and killed him if it wasn't for Temari. I know, Shikamaru beat Hidan's ass. Yeah, he did have a week to prep, you got me there. Slowest Akatsuki, but even then, still faster than Asuma, who IMO was faster than Kiba. Asuma had trouble dodging Hidan's strikes.

Those guys to protect her? Only Hidan is not weak when it comes to physical, power battles like Shika is, he should be able to kill her guardians, then kill Tayuya, or use his speed and ranged combat to decapitate Tayuya(sexy, I know).

That scan is mistranslated, I am almost positive those two were Tokubetsu Joinin, Chunin with some Jounin level training.

They're still technically Jounin though..And I didn't even notice the Jounin thing. Just the cursed seal 2. When is it said Special Jounin are basically Chunnin though?

No, they are technically of chunin rank, but with jounin skills in a specific area. Like that one dude with all the scars, who is an expert in psychological torture.

http://www.leafninja.com/biographies-N.php

The databook states him and the other guy, Genma, as special Jounin, Tokubetsu Jounin, as well.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
You sure about that? Regardless, two no-name half-weakened Chunins were a great challenge for all for of them, Hidan easily killed an experienced full strength Jounin. And yeah, Kim is stronger than the rest of his team combined.

Well he is faster than Kido, shouldn't get caught in the web, and if he was could free himself with his scythe, and once again, with such a huge weapon, a direct hit will cripple him, or kill him.

Tayuya only has some low level Genjutsu and three demon guys who couldn't kill Shika, she is not durable, and is nothing up close, Hidan with his ranged attacks and speed should be able to exploit both and keep her on the run, no time to play her flute.

Jirobu is just slow and dumb. Nuff said.

Sakon is wholly a Taijutsu specialist, like Hidan, but Hidan is better at it, can't die, has better offensive capabilities, and also has medium range options, throwing his scythe.

Kim will be the only one he MAY fall to, due to his speed, defense, and offense, but I believe he can likely get a nick, and that is all he needs.

Yeah, but Asuma doesn't seem like a jounin. He isn't even that good. Plus, Shikamaru beat Hidan, who is a chunin. YEAH< KIM IS BETTER THAN THER ENTIRE TEAM COMBINED!!!

If he get caught in the web, which is a big possibility, he is toast because he has nothing to get him out of it.

I don't think he could hit Tayuya, but its possible, because she can play the flute fast and get all 3 to jump and land on him. And yet that leaves her open.

I can say it better. Jirobo is extreamly slow and retarded.

Scythe is way slow, but I already said he could beat Sakon.

Doubt it. Bones will protect him. Not even Lee could use PL to get through.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Slowest Akatsuki, but even then, still faster than Asuma, who IMO was faster than Kiba. Asuma had trouble dodging Hidan's strikes.

Those guys to protect her? Only Hidan is not weak when it comes to physical, power battles like Shika is, he should be able to kill her guardians, then kill Tayuya, or use his speed and ranged combat to decapitate Tayuya(sexy, I know).

IMO, Asuma is know where near Kiba speed.

Read my above post.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
No, they are technically of chunin rank, but with jounin skills in a specific area. Like that one dude with all the scars, who is an expert in psychological torture.

http://www.leafninja.com/biographies-N.php

The databook states him and the other guy, Genma, as special Jounin, Tokubetsu Jounin, as well.

Calling them Chunin wouldn't be right either. And I wouldn't put Ibiki, or even Ebisu in the same class as Iruka. The real question is why would the sound 4 even know what rank they were.

Originally posted by Wil7
Yeah, but Asuma doesn't seem like a jounin. He isn't even that good. Plus, Shikamaru beat Hidan, who is a chunin. YEAH< KIM IS BETTER THAN THER ENTIRE TEAM COMBINED!!!

If he get caught in the web, which is a big possibility, he is toast because he has nothing to get him out of it.

I don't think he could hit Tayuya, but its possible, because she can play the flute fast and get all 3 to jump and land on him. And yet that leaves her open.

I can say it better. Jirobo is extreamly slow and retarded.

Scythe is way slow, but I already said he could beat Sakon.

Doubt it. Bones will protect him. Not even Lee could use PL to get through. 1. How so? He pwned a group of Sound Ninja(Chunins or Jounins I think) easy, and he gave Kisame a brief fight, actually causing a slight cut due to his wind jutsu, and Kisame is pretty damn fast. Hidan being able to fight in a physical brawl with such a huge weapon keeping Asuma on the defensive is impressive. Shikamaru could beat anyone but the Top Tiers in Naruto if he put his mind to it honestly...The dude is a genius of the highest calibur, probably the most strategic in the entire series, Hidan is a powerhouse with very useful powers like instant death attacks and immortality, but he is not very bright, and is arrogant and hot-headed, that allowed Shika to win.

2. It is not a big possibility IMO. And honestly, Hidan with his giant scythe should be able to cut it.

3. If all three were to try to jump him...He would dodge, they are not that fast, and Tayuya is not either, and she has to play the flute to use her jutsus, an offensive fighter like Hidan who is also faster than her is bad news, he will keep her running, will catch up to her, and will kill her.

4. Indeed.

5. Scythe is not slow, it hinders his speed, but he is still quite fast with it.

6. Bones will not be able to protect him forever, and I find the chances of Hidan getting a nick more likely than Kim being able to dismember Hidan.

Originally posted by Kento
Kidomaru's a problem to most of them because of his web. But he isn't going to be beating any of them. Tayuya's bodyguards aren't exactly impossible to get pass. And Hidan is immortal. He's not going to worry about being killed and can attack straight on. Kimimaro has a chance...but imo Hidan has a much better chance. It's easier for Hidan to get a scratch on Kimimaro than for Kimimaro to completely dismember Hidan. Sakon...His whole main jutsu is to kill his opponent from the inside. Not going to work against Hidan.


http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/186/02/ They used CS2 against them.

Yeah, none of them, except Hidan. One punch could pretty much end the fight for Hidan from them. Hidan won't be able to touch Kimmimaro. He lost to Shikamaru, and Kimmimaro almost beat Gaara. Gaara>>>>>Shikamaru. No it isn't, he will create that big bone arm and demollish Hidan. Yeah true.

I don't like the manga's that much, don't know why, I just don't. The anime is way different, they used CS1 in the anime. I like the anime better.

Originally posted by Wil7
IMO, Asuma is know where near Kiba speed.

Read my above post. Well you are wrong. Asuma is very fast.

Originally posted by Kento
Calling them Chunin wouldn't be right either. And I wouldn't put Ibiki, or even Ebisu in the same class as Iruka. The real question is why would the sound 4 even know what rank they were. That is because Ibiki and Ebisu's Jounin level skills are not combat skill, Ibiki's is torture, Ebisu is teaching(which is fairly lol).

...I don't know.

Originally posted by Wil7
Yeah, but Asuma doesn't seem like a jounin. He isn't even that good. Plus, Shikamaru beat Hidan, who is a chunin. YEAH< KIM IS BETTER THAN THER ENTIRE TEAM COMBINED!!!

If he get caught in the web, which is a big possibility, he is toast because he has nothing to get him out of it.

I don't think he could hit Tayuya, but its possible, because she can play the flute fast and get all 3 to jump and land on him. And yet that leaves her open.

I can say it better. Jirobo is extreamly slow and retarded.

Scythe is way slow, but I already said he could beat Sakon.

Doubt it. Bones will protect him. Not even Lee could use PL to get through. Asuma's lazy but he's still powerful. Shikamaru has the hax of being intelligent, and being a main character. He's always beaten or stalemated stronger characters than him. And without any real prep time and his own land to use as bait.

If he gets caught in the web...What's going to happen. Kidomaru can't kill Hidan.

Kiba is one of the weakest rookie 9 how is he faster than Asuma?

Originally posted by Wil7
Yeah, none of them, except Hidan. One punch could pretty much end the fight for Hidan from them. Hidan won't be able to touch Kimmimaro. He lost to Shikamaru, and Kimmimaro almost beat Gaara. Gaara>>>>>Shikamaru. No it isn't, he will create that big bone arm and demollish Hidan. Yeah true.

I don't like the manga's that much, don't know why, I just don't. The anime is way different, they used CS1 in the anime. I like the anime better. No it could not, considering Hidan can't die. Hell, he has yet to be KOed. Kim is not as fast as you think he is, Lee was faster, and Hidan's chances of being able to kill Kim are better. He lost to Shika due to a weak of planning and being an arrogant idiot, not due to less power. No one on this team has shown half the skills Shika has in planning and strategy. The big bone arm thing is not that fast, and it won't kill Hidan, it will just leave Kim open when he stabs him in the chest and can then cut Kim, if he stabs him in the chest at all.

Originally posted by Wil7
Yeah, none of them, except Hidan. One punch could pretty much end the fight for Hidan from them. Hidan won't be able to touch Kimmimaro. He lost to Shikamaru, and Kimmimaro almost beat Gaara. Gaara>>>>>Shikamaru. No it isn't, he will create that big bone arm and demollish Hidan. Yeah true.

I don't like the manga's that much, don't know why, I just don't. The anime is way different, they used CS1 in the anime. I like the anime better. ...To bad none of the Sound Ninja have the brains of Shikmaru, the prep time, or knows Hidan's ability. Shikamaru beat him by tricking him, and buring him underground. Loosing to Shikamaru when he has time to prep isn't a low showing at all. And Kimimaro's ability isn't going to stop him from being killed by Hidan's ability.

The manga is canon...so.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. How so? He pwned a group of Sound Ninja(Chunins or Jounins I think) easy, and he gave Kisame a brief fight, actually causing a slight cut due to his wind jutsu, and Kisame is pretty damn fast. Hidan being able to fight in a physical brawl with such a huge weapon keeping Asuma on the defensive is impressive. Shikamaru could beat anyone but the Top Tiers in Naruto if he put his mind to it honestly...The dude is a genius of the highest calibur, probably the most strategic in the entire series, Hidan is a powerhouse with very useful powers like instant death attacks and immortality, but he is not very bright, and is arrogant and hot-headed, that allowed Shika to win.

2. It is not a big possibility IMO. And honestly, Hidan with his giant scythe should be able to cut it.

3. If all three were to try to jump him...He would dodge, they are not that fast, and Tayuya is not either, and she has to play the flute to use her jutsus, an offensive fighter like Hidan who is also faster than her is bad news, he will keep her running, will catch up to her, and will kill her.

4. Indeed.

5. Scythe is not slow, it hinders his speed, but he is still quite fast with it.

6. Bones will not be able to protect him forever, and I find the chances of Hidan getting a nick more likely than Kim being able to dismember Hidan.

1.Why did you bring up Kisame? Asuma is trash. He sucks. Well, it is Shikamaru, and I don't see him beating Gaara. Tons of people can beat Hidan.

2. Well it is a big possibility IMO. Don't think so. Kidomaru said only chakra can cut it.

3. Yes, that is also a possibility.

4. I am right for once.

5. If you watch the anime, you will see how slow it is.

6. Bones could protect him for a long-ass time. I find him using braken dance way more likely than Hidan getting a nick of blood.

Originally posted by Wil7
1.Why did you bring up Kisame? Asuma is trash. He sucks. Well, it is Shikamaru, and I don't see him beating Gaara. Tons of people can beat Hidan.

2. Well it is a big possibility IMO. Don't think so. Kidomaru said only chakra can cut it.

3. Yes, that is also a possibility.

4. I am right for once.

5. If you watch the anime, you will see how slow it is.

6. Bones could protect him for a long-ass time. I find him using braken dance way more likely than Hidan getting a nick of blood. 1. I notice how you didn't actually try to defeat my argument that Asuma is a skilled Jounin, which implies to me you could not, so I accept your concession. I brought up Kisame, because even he had some degree of trouble dodging Asuma's blows, as evidenced by the fact that Asuma got a hit on him, though afterwards Kisame was clearly the dominant combatant. Can Shika beat Gaara? No, Gaara would not play around and toy with his opponents, and is not an arrogant prick.

2. It isn't, he isn't that slow.

3. Yay.

4. Only cause I agreed to begin with, nub. 131

5. ...I don't care what the anime shows.

6. I don't honestly, and it will not kill him, Kim's only chance is decapitation.

Well Asuma isnt all that fast. Isnt Kiba speed tier higher than Asumas?

Not by the Databook stats. Asuma is faster than Kakashi according to those. And Kisame is faster than Itachi.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Anyone here could probably solo.

The Sound Four were friggin pwned in the ass by two Chunins who were at half strength, had to go CS2 to beat em, and admitted if they did not they would have died.

Hidan with his immortality, Taijutsu skill, strength, and speed(although not very fast, he is faster than most on team 1), and could one shot any of them, through his ritual or just cutting their heads off.

Kakuzu can protect himself from damn near any attack short of Tayuya's Genjutsu, is strong, is fast, can pull their hearts out for t3h win, and can separate his masks from him to give himself more fronts for attack.

Adding Sasori tips the scale. Any one of Sasori's many poison filled attacks ranging from his flying needles of death to his 3rd Kazekage puppet's Iron Sand jutsu will one shot due to poison, he can use his many puppets to outnumber and overwhelm some of the physically weaker members like Tayuya, he will be hard to kill, virtually immortal, and has t3h flamethrowers of powa.

Deidara. Fly away, spam bombs. That's really all I can say about this. The only ones who might survive are Kim due to bone armors and Kido due to chakra armor.

Itachi...Genjutsu haxx, speed haxx, Tsukiyomi haxx, Amaterasu haxx, Susano haxx, and last but not least, Sharingan(MS and regular) haxx.

you cant really judge their strength like that because sasuke used cs2 on deidara we all know how that turned out. those guys were jonin and hidan and kakuzu werent able to beat them as easily

Asuma is a jounin, there's no doubt about this

He led a 3 man genin team, he led a team composed of 3 chuunin, his bounty in the bingo book is higher than pretty much everyone else in Konoha, and he was able to defeat 7 Chuunin+ characters easily. Wil7 might claim that "Asuma is badlol" but he won't find any proof to back this up with.

As far as Hidan goes, he was able to keep up with Kakashi before Shikamaru stopped him.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
That is because Ibiki and Ebisu's Jounin level skills are not combat skill, Ibiki's is torture, Ebisu is teaching(which is fairly lol).

...I don't know.

Ebisu and Ibiki are Special Jounin, like Genma.

Originally posted by Bada's Palin
Ebisu and Ibiki are Special Jounin, like Genma. I know, I already said that.

And yung, both of them are not Jounin, they are "special" or Tokubetsu Jounin, Chunin who have Jounin level skills in one field.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. I notice how you didn't actually try to defeat my argument that Asuma is a skilled Jounin, which implies to me you could not, so I accept your concession. I brought up Kisame, because even he had some degree of trouble dodging Asuma's blows, as evidenced by the fact that Asuma got a hit on him, though afterwards Kisame was clearly the dominant combatant. Can Shika beat Gaara? No, Gaara would not play around and toy with his opponents, and is not an arrogant prick.

2. It isn't, he isn't that slow.

3. Yay.

4. Only cause I agreed to begin with, nub. 131

5. ...I don't care what the anime shows.

6. I don't honestly, and it will not kill him, Kim's only chance is decapitation.

1. Well, he isn't that skilled of a jounin, because, well he has no feats, and he hasn't defeated anybody that is jounin level, and even though he beat those sound ninja's doesn't mean shit. Shikamaru would have killed if it wasn't for the other sound ninja. He had trouble dodging 1 tiny cut on Kisame's face. Yeah, Gaara would crush Shikamaru.

2. Hidan is pretty slow, he even said he was the slowest.

3. Yes, yay.

4. Nub, crybaby

5. Well I do, because I don't care what the manga states, because the anime is different.

6. Braken dance ends the fight, he has no way to avoid it.

Originally posted by Wil7
1. Well, he isn't that skilled of a jounin, because, well he has no feats, and he hasn't defeated anybody that is jounin level, and even though he beat those sound ninja's doesn't mean shit. Shikamaru would have killed if it wasn't for the other sound ninja. He had trouble dodging 1 tiny cut on Kisame's face. Yeah, Gaara would crush Shikamaru.

How come you're ignoring Asuma's enormous bounty?

And when we discussed Shikamaru's fight, you were 100% certain that he would've lost. Seems like hypocrisy is popular with the kids these days.

K seriously, itachi says "guys, this ones on me", he then pwns the sound 4 in true WTF? fashion. then the main coarse named kimimaro steps in after his 4 comrades were quickly killed before his eyes. the two have a stare down but unfortunately for kimmy, that's all itachi needs to win the fight.

meanwhile, zetsu records the fight to play back for the rest of the akatsuki for tons of future lulz.

Originally posted by Wil7
1. Well, he isn't that skilled of a jounin, because, well he has no feats, and he hasn't defeated anybody that is jounin level, and even though he beat those sound ninja's doesn't mean shit. Shikamaru would have killed if it wasn't for the other sound ninja. He had trouble dodging 1 tiny cut on Kisame's face. Yeah, Gaara would crush Shikamaru.

2. Hidan is pretty slow, he even said he was the slowest.

3. Yes, yay.

4. Nub, crybaby

5. Well I do, because I don't care what the manga states, because the anime is different.

6. Braken dance ends the fight, he has no way to avoid it. 1. No feats? How about pwning several Chunin or up with utmost ease? How about being among the faster Jounin? How about actually holding his own against Hidan? Facts are, by feats, Asuma is much faster than Kiba, I mean really, other than being able to blitz a weaker Naruto(which like, 95% of all Ninja in the show can do, Naruto is slow), he has no speed feats. Kisame had some degree of difficulty dodging one of Asuma's blows, not the other way around.

2. Because of his huge weapon, no one else is hindered by that. Being slower in attack speed than guys in Akatsuki is not a bad feat at all.

3. Yeah. Hidan wins.

4. So's your face.

5. Difference here being the manga is canon, the anime is not.

6. Is Braken dance the drill or the small bone forest thing? And he would not NEED to avoid it, since he can't die.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
I know, I already said that.

And yung, both of them are not Jounin, they are "special" or Tokubetsu Jounin, Chunin who have Jounin level skills in one field.

i dont remember the magna saying special kounin are chunin with jonin skills in one field. whynot call them special chunnin? it could also be they are jonin who specialize in one thing

Everyone in the group here can solo except for Deidera and maybe Sasori. They need about 10 seconds or more before they can solo.

Originally posted by yungz22
i dont remember the magna saying special kounin are chunin with jonin skills in one field. whynot call them special chunnin? it could also be they are jonin who specialize in one thing

Dark Jaxx is correct.

Originally posted by Wil7
1. Well, he isn't that skilled of a jounin, because, well he has no feats, and he hasn't defeated anybody that is jounin level, and even though he beat those sound ninja's doesn't mean shit. Shikamaru would have killed if it wasn't for the other sound ninja. He had trouble dodging 1 tiny cut on Kisame's face. Yeah, Gaara would crush Shikamaru.
-well for one, he is the son of the 3rd hokage who is one of the most powerful shinobi in the naruto universe, and children of hokage tend to live up to the family legacy. (that also adds to his huge bounty no doubt)

-HE'S ONE OF THE TWELVE NINJA GUARDIANS OF A DAIMYO........ warlords don't tend to hire inept protectors.

-mastered the art of blade fighting and coupled it with his rare wind element nature, not many ninja have wind nature so he most likely was self taught.

asuma is a very accomplished ninja.

i am baffled by Wil7 logic.

His word is about as solid as a blind man giving facial descriptions to a robber with panty hose mask over his face.

Originally posted by Csdabest
i am baffled by Wil7 logic.

His word is about as solid as a blind man giving facial descriptions to a robber with panty hose mask over his face.

You make fun of my logic. Did you read what your comeback was? . To tell you the truth, your'e the guy who is trying to make the facial descriptions.

Originally posted by Wil7
Yeah, but Asuma doesn't seem like a jounin. He isn't even that good. Plus, Shikamaru beat Hidan, who is a chunin. YEAH< KIM IS BETTER THAN THER ENTIRE TEAM COMBINED!!!

Selling someone short in order for your "logic" to fly doesnt own you browny points.

Asuma looks and *is* a well rounded elite jounin, sensei of one of the most impressive of the rookie 9 and late member of the 12 guardians of the Lord of Fire. The only way he may look "not that good" is for not being showcased in the manga like another elite Jounin, as Kakashi, is.

Lets roundown the facts, without killing CONTEXT. Shika defeated Hidan with:

Asuma`s info. Backup. Knowing already everything he needed about Hidan`s jutsu. Learning more about Hidan`s religion and thus how to "kill" him. Hidan`s companion`s blood. And the home field advantage, especifically chosen for the match.

Everything that Asuma did NOT have, when facing Hidan the first time. So lets not compare a face off with a prep battle.

Asuma, is, for all porpuses better than Gai without the gates. The comparation between both when facing off Kisame was so clear, that more than that is impossible.

Originally posted by Wil7
1. Well, he isn't that skilled of a jounin, because, well he has no feats, and he hasn't defeated anybody that is jounin level, and even though he beat those sound ninja's doesn't mean shit.

Another who kills context. Oh, lord.

The same group of ninja whose outranked both Naruto, Sakura and Shika and had them wet theyr collective pants. The same group that had a jounin that ended up sleeping on Asuma`s shoulder. Yeah.

Originally posted by Wil7
He had trouble dodging 1 tiny cut on Kisame's face.

The hell?

He gave Kisame that cut. And he did it with the same kind of "ill show you" smile that Kisame had when he cut him earlier. Exactly the same, this is not draw by chance, it has a visual storytelling porpuse. But here is where things get interesting, Asuma held off Kisame longer and better than Gai did. And the contest of strength between the two only stopped when Kisame angrily used the sword to cut off his opponent`s arm.

Gai, on the other hand, in the same EXACT situation, gets winded down in one panel, and doesnt even bleed from the sword, but instead from a punch in the gut.

Pre skip Asuma > post skip Gateless Gai.

Moreover, Kisame did dodged Auma`s chuckles, as demostrated by the speed lines in the panel, but the Hien still cut him, and had it been as long as it was against Hidan, Kisame wouldnt have kept his head intact.

Originally posted by Wil7
2. Hidan is pretty slow, he even said he was the slowest.

He said he had the slowest attack speed (wich only makes sense, since it takes a ritual to perform his jutsu) of HIs group.

Dont compare the level of the Atsuki with the sound 4. And Asuma was matching him up pretty well, even when Hidan used 2 kunais`s and his own weapon to lure Asuma into getting that drop of blood.

way. too. go.

Its also od that people call Asuma slow, when despite having a much lower number of figths than say, kakashi, he dodged Kisame`s sword strikes, the moment he became aware of what the sword could do, was keeping up with Hidan (blocking everything he trew at him, yes even his weapon - heres a fact, Hidan`s weapon is designed to make a single cut, even when its blocked, after all one of the spikes is longer than the other two - and beat up the same group of sound ninja that Kakashi and co did, but faster and with more style.

Im not going to call him as better than Kakashi or Gai, since he didnt showed everything the DB claims he can do (likewise for Gai and co, fr that matter) but to say hes not in the same overall class, is bull.

Originally posted by olympian
Pre skip Asuma > post skip Gateless Gai.


Just by reading that made me not want to read the rest of your bullshit.

Feed yourself on your own idiocity.

The creator went on its way to get Asuma and Gai, both in the exact same conditions against Kisame. None of them using chakra or jutsu`s, both defending a charging Kisame, and both using a weapon to block it.

So what happened?

Asuma held his own, only to be cut by Kisame`s sword, while the migthy Gai gets winded down in the initial charge and its left bleeding from a punch. Not the sword, a punch.

This also shows, how without the gates, Asuma handles pain better. He took the cut without crying it out like Gai did.

Gai is a beast with the gates, but he isent anything special or superior without them, compared to the other elite Jounin. And im looking forward for you to actually show me where im wrong, with these comparations *done by the creator*.

By using some filler maybe..

hidan was fighting asuma while evading shikamaru's shadow possession, shikamaru even stated that that gave asuma the advantage in the fight.
hidan isn't that slow considering he pretty much had asuma on the ropes the whole time, even with that big ass scythe.

olympian, Gai uses pure speed to beat him.

Originally posted by Wil7
olympian, Gai uses pure speed to beat him.

Thats an argument for what exactly?

Gai only looks above the other Jounin when he opens the gates, not without. I havent seen a single thing from base Gai, speedwise or not, that makes him superior.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
hidan was fighting asuma while evading shikamaru's shadow possession, shikamaru even stated that that gave asuma the advantage in the fight.

I dont really recall that line actually showing up in the manga. Wouldnt make much sense, since if someone is agile enough, and is aware of Shika`s jutsu, it can be evaded for a time. Note that i said "can", not that it automatically will.

Hidan also had backup, his partner attempted to attack Shika in the beginning after all, when he was blocked by Asuma.

All in all, however, i belive any Akatsuki member is superior to any Jounin, elite or not, one vs one. Gai also had help, and he only defeated a limited clone. On the other hand, i dont think they leave the elite in the dust in the speed or strength department.

Originally posted by psycho gundam


Theyr attacking speed looked about the same l. Lets not forget that Hidan only got the drop of blood, when he used three weapons, one after the other, for Asuma to block. Two kunais and one scythe that *was* blocked, but still managed to steal blood, because of the bigger spike.

Both are certainly not "slow" by any kind of standarts.

Originally posted by olympian
Feed yourself on your own idiocity.

The creator went on its way to get Asuma and Gai, both in the exact same conditions against Kisame. None of them using chakra or jutsu`s, both defending a charging Kisame, and both using a weapon to block it.

So what happened?

Asuma held his own, only to be cut by Kisame`s sword, while the migthy Gai gets winded down in the initial charge and its left bleeding from a punch. Not the sword, a punch.

This also shows, how without the gates, Asuma handles pain better. He took the cut without crying it out like Gai did.

Gai is a beast with the gates, but he isent anything special or superior without them, compared to the other elite Jounin. And im looking forward for you to actually show me where im wrong, with these comparations *done by the creator*.

By using some filler maybe.. Both in the same conditions? I do not recall Kisame taking Asuma all that seriously, once Asuma got a surprise hit on Kisame, who had the upper hand the rest of the fight? Oh yeah, Kisame. Kisame is strong as hell, a punch to the stomach from him would hurt much worse than a mere graze on the shoulder, which is what Asuma got, and it is not like Kisame's strike was meant to kill him.

Gai fought a bloodlusted version of Kisame who was using his jutsus, not just going at it physically.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Both in the same conditions? I do not recall Kisame taking Asuma all that seriously

The whole "he held back against Asuma and was bloodlust against Gai" its nothing but internet fanwank.

You can tell by the actions of Kisame in the manga, rigth before he started figthing Asuma, that the only thing he "held back" was what Itachi told him to "not *overdo*", wich would be moves that would call attention to the rest of the village, like jutsus. There is no line or indication that he held back his strength. Moreso, he especifically called out the two Jounin by angrily hitting his sword on the floor, as a sign of challenge.

Like Itachi also noted, it looked like they couldnt move on without a figth.

What happens next? He tries to hit Kurenai, when Asuma blocked him. Then again he angrily shouts the same thing he did against Gai, about how he would be "cut him to ribbons".

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
once Asuma got a surprise hit on Kisame, who had the upper hand the rest of the fight? Oh yeah, Kisame. Kisame is strong as hell, a punch to the stomach from him would hurt much worse than a mere graze on the shoulder, which is what Asuma got, and it is not like Kisame's strike was meant to kill him.

And what was Gai doing before he opened the gates? Ah yes, busy getting pounded. Asuma at least was dodging Kisame`s strikes after the slash.

A "mere graze"? Talk about selling it short. In the manga he cuts the arm, while shouting the same crap he did against Gai. Of course, he did it with a smile, but then again so did Asuma when he cut him in return.

Since we didnt saw Asuma being hit with a punch we can only judge both him and Gai by the same challene. And the creator went on its way to have both Asuma and Gai deal with the same strength challenge from Kisame.

Your not really trying to sold me the idea that base Gai is better than Asuma when he goes down by the initial charge - before he even got the punch - are you?

Besides, wasent the clone more pissed off that Gai didnt remembered him?

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Gai fought a bloodlusted version of Kisame who was using his jutsus, not just going at it physically.

Gai fougth a limited clone.

And, no. The first water jutsu Kisame used, to drow them, was dodged by everyone. The next jutsu was used on his team, not on Gai, and the last jutsu was only used after the physical encounter.

In wich, Gai simply did worse than Asuma.

Originally posted by olympian
Thats an argument for what exactly?

Gai only looks above the other Jounin when he opens the gates, not without. I havent seen a single thing from base Gai, speedwise or not, that makes him superior.


Well the fact that Gai is the one who taught Lee super speed, means that Gai has superspeed. Asuma lost to Hidan, the worst akatsuki, and gai, without the gates, lost to kisame, one of the best akatsuki. Kisame>>>Hidan easily. Gai's speed is too fast for Asuma to keep up with him.

Appearantly you dont read either the manga or what people have to tell you.

Hidan is only slow in speed attack, among his group, because of two factors. He carries the heaviest weapon and his attack relies on performing a ritual for his jutsu to happen. Its not about overall speed.

In actual battle, both him and Asuma looked rather even, speedwise, despite Hidan having to use 3 weapons to get that drop of blood. Hidan also looked rather even with Kakashi in the two small exchanges both had.

But fine, you say Kisame is faster than Hidan?

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/141/08/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/141/15/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/141/16/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/141/16/

Well, for some odd reason that doesnt blow a load over Asuma`s speed, does it?

Then again, you are probably one of the few who thinks Lee can take on Asuma because of...lol, "speed".

Do you honestly think that Asuma can keep up with Gai's speed? Look how fast Lee is, and now double that speed. Gai needs nothing else but speed to beat Asuma to a bloody pulp. If he has to, which he won't, he uses primary lotus, and he won't block that.

I dont have to "honestly think" anything. From what i read in the manga, Gai isent heaps above any of the other two experienced elite Jounin. You can make a case for that when he pulls off the gates, not without. The example you used was Kisame, and Asuma didnt looked any less faster on 1 vs 1 than Gai did before he opened the 6th gate.

And what was so impressive about Lee`s speed? For a Genin, sure, but not a single Jounin that was watching the match against Gaara boast a nut of it being impressive about theyr level.

Seems to me you are merely overselling a figthing style, more than its due credit, because it looks "flashy".

Originally posted by olympian
I dont have to "honestly think" anything. From what i read in the manga, Gai isent heaps above any of the other two experienced elite Jounin. You can make a case for that when he pulls off the gates, not without. The example you used was Kisame, and Asuma didnt looked any less faster on 1 vs 1 than Gai did before he opened the 6th gate.

And what was so impressive about Lee`s speed? For a Genin, sure, but not a single Jounin that was watching the match against Gaara boast a nut of it being impressive about theyr level.

Seems to me you are merely overselling a figthing style, more than its due credit, because it looks "flashy".

But you have nothing to back up Asuma in a fight. Gai is the fastest Jounin in the village, and no one is near his speed. I can make a case with Gai pulling it off without the gates. Asuma sucks. He has shitty jutsu's. He has never beaten anyone that is strong. He can't even stand up to Hidan, which is pathetic.

Everyone knows Asuma sucks, and is nothing special. Just because he is a jounin doesn't mean anything. Gai, in a stomp.

Originally posted by Wil7
But you have nothing to back up Asuma in a fight. Gai is the fastest Jounin in the village, and no one is near his speed. I can make a case with Gai pulling it off without the gates. Asuma sucks. He has shitty jutsu's. He has never beaten anyone that is strong. He can't even stand up to Hidan, which is pathetic.

Everyone knows Asuma sucks, and is nothing special. Just because he is a jounin doesn't mean anything. Gai, in a stomp. Gai isn't leagues above everybody in speed without using the gates.

Asuma would have beaten Hidan..if Hidan hadn't been immortal. He cut his head clear off. Asuma also defeated those sound ninja that were after Shikamaru showing off some real speed. Just because we don't see much from Asuma doesn't mean he's weak. We hardly see anything from Gai either does that mean he's weak? He had trouble with a 30% chakra clone of Kisame after all compared to Asuma's trouble with a fully powered immortal who he would have killed if not for the immortal part.

Originally posted by Wil7
But you have nothing to back up Asuma in a fight.

No. Its more that i and others already HAVE, and you pretend you dont get it.

Originally posted by Wil7
Gai is the fastest Jounin in the village, and no one is near his speed.

Show me in the manga where he was ever showed as the fasted nin in the village.

This should be rich. "i cant find it but i just know".

Links.

Originally posted by Wil7
I can make a case with Gai pulling it off without the gates.

You cant, because there is nothing of what you preach in the manga. You are a fanboy overselling a more popular character.

Kisame didnt went all out against either Gai or Asuma, and yet one of them went down with the initial charge while the other DIDNT. Both managed to equally dodge Kisame later on, and yet you expect me to buy your fanfic crap?

Originally posted by Wil7
Asuma sucks. He has shitty jutsu's. He has never beaten anyone that is strong. He can't even stand up to Hidan, which is pathetic.

Who did Gai beat? A limited clone that was only there to DELAY the two teams and sucessed?

You dont read the manga, that much is perfectly clear. Your comments on every character in your post arent from that source.

Wich makes me wonder why you decide to discuss something you know nothing about.

Originally posted by Wil7
Everyone knows Asuma sucks, and is nothing special. Just because he is a jounin doesn't mean anything. Gai, in a stomp.

If Asuma "sucks" then it doesnt speak highly of Gai who was doing worse until he used his master stroke.

And "anyone" when the ONLY poster talking nonsense is you? Hardy har. The fail.

Any of the Akatsuki could solo the sound 4

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
No, they are technically of chunin rank, but with jounin skills in a specific area. Like that one dude with all the scars, who is an expert in psychological torture.

http://www.leafninja.com/biographies-N.php

The databook states him and the other guy, Genma, as special Jounin, Tokubetsu Jounin, as well.

The guy with psychological interrogation or whatever is Morino Ibiki, he didn't fight the sound 4

I never said he did.

Genma and Raidou did.

Originally posted by olympian
Show me in the manga where he was ever showed as the fasted nin in the village.

This should be rich. "i cant find it but i just know".

Links.



You cant, because there is nothing of what you preach in the manga. You are a fanboy overselling a more popular character.

Kisame didnt went all out against either Gai or Asuma, and yet one of them went down with the initial charge while the other DIDNT. Both managed to equally dodge Kisame later on, and yet you expect me to buy your fanfic crap?



Who did Gai beat? A limited clone that was only there to DELAY the two teams and sucessed?

You dont read the manga, that much is perfectly clear. Your comments on every character in your post arent from that source.

Wich makes me wonder why you decide to discuss something you know nothing about.



If Asuma "sucks" then it doesnt speak highly of Gai who was doing worse until he used his master stroke.

And "anyone" when the ONLY poster talking nonsense is you? Hardy har. The fail.

Never said he was the fastest, but

1. Find a ninja that is "faster than gai"
2. Since Kakashi is faster than Asuma, and Gai is faster than Kakashi means he is one of the fastest in the village.

Me the fanboy, , you're f****n hilarious, you are the one saying that Asuma is better than Gai, which is the funniest joke that I have heared in a longass time. YOU'RE THE F****N FANBOY!!!

Well lets see, Kisame only used one jutsu against Asuma, and that wasn't near 30% chakra, and it would have taken down Asuma with ease if it wasn't for Kakashi copying the jutsu, and all Gai stood up better than Asuma did.

And who did Asuma die to? Hidan, who 30% Kisame would have taken down with 1 jutsu, or 2.

It doesn't matter if I don't read the manga, although I read it from time to time, but the anime shows all that happens in the fight, unlike the manga, and it is flat out better than manga scans.

You are argueing over a fight where you can't even argue how Asuma wins, and you are saying that I don't know anything, and I was just looking at the Asuma, and Hidan fight, and Asuma got owned.

You don't know shit about Naruto do you? Asuma would have lost with 1 jutsu, and how many did Kisame have to use until Gai opened some gates? ALOT!!!

You are the one talking nonsence. You have no facts to show that Asuma can win, and I have showed facts on who would win. Gai has every advantage, and I will put 2 more facts:

1. Asuma sucks
2. Gai is better with ease

Originally posted by Kento
Gai isn't leagues above everybody in speed without using the gates.

Asuma would have beaten Hidan..if Hidan hadn't been immortal. He cut his head clear off. Asuma also defeated those sound ninja that were after Shikamaru showing off some real speed. Just because we don't see much from Asuma doesn't mean he's weak. We hardly see anything from Gai either does that mean he's weak? He had trouble with a 30% chakra clone of Kisame after all compared to Asuma's trouble with a fully powered immortal who he would have killed if not for the immortal part.

Name someone who is faster?

That is like taking away Peins 6 bodies.Since it is apart of him, Asuma got his ass beat. Asuma beat a bunch of sound ninja, who shikamaru would have killed if it wasn't for the 9th sound ninja stopping the attack. Well, that is preety much all we will see from him, and for all we know, he could have been using all of his strenght, but still lost. Asuma would have clearly lost to Kisame with one jutsu, like I have already said, if it wasn't for Kakashi, he would have lost, and that wasn't even a 30% jutsu. Already said, you can't take that away from him.

Originally posted by Wil7
Name someone who is faster?

That is like taking away Peins 6 bodies.Since it is apart of him, Asuma got his ass beat. Asuma beat a bunch of sound ninja, who shikamaru would have killed if it wasn't for the 9th sound ninja stopping the attack. Well, that is preety much all we will see from him, and for all we know, he could have been using all of his strenght, but still lost. Asuma would have clearly lost to Kisame with one jutsu, like I have already said, if it wasn't for Kakashi, he would have lost, and that wasn't even a 30% jutsu. Already said, you can't take that away from him.

Did I say he wasn't faster? I just said he isn't leaps and bounds faster.

Doesn't change the fact Asuma killed them all before they could even attempt to get away.
http://www.mangafox.com/page/manga/read/8/naruto/chapter.15704/page.9/

Asuma would have lost to a full-powered Kisame...Gai was loosing without gates to 30% powered Kisame. And Asuma would have beaten Hidan easily if not for Hidan having immortality. Gai hasn't really beaten or come close to beating anybody at full power.

Originally posted by Wil7
But you have nothing to back up Asuma in a fight. Gai is the fastest Jounin in the village, and no one is near his speed. I can make a case with Gai pulling it off without the gates. Asuma sucks. He has shitty jutsu's. He has never beaten anyone that is strong. He can't even stand up to Hidan, which is pathetic.

Everyone knows Asuma sucks, and is nothing special. Just because he is a jounin doesn't mean anything. Gai, in a stomp.

how do you figure he is pathetic just because he lost to Hidan. Hidan is part of the Akatsuki. He has one of the most unpredictable fighting styles in the show. If you dont know about his abilities there is a large chance you wont win in a fight against him. Kakashi didnt get scratched because of two things one he has sharingan tow because he kjnew about Hidan's abilities. So dont sell asuma short just because he lost to hidan. There are lots of ninja that would lose also

Originally posted by Wil7
Name someone who is faster? A ninja from the Leaf that is faster than Gai?

Itachi.

Originally posted by Wil7
Never said he was the fastest, but...

Yes you did, fanboy. Now prove it.

Originally posted by Wil7
Find a ninja that is "faster than gai"

This is like asking me "who is faster than him, aka nobody is". Same thing.

Links. "One Manga.com" got the whole set of chapters so far. Show me. If you dont, ill know you are a lying.

Originally posted by Wil7
2. Since Kakashi is faster than Asuma, and Gai is faster than Kakashi means he is one of the fastest in the village.

Show me in the Manga examples of all this.

Links.

Originally posted by Wil7
Me the fanboy, , you're f****n hilarious, you are the one saying that Asuma is better than Gai, which is the funniest joke that I have heared in a longass time. YOU'RE THE F****N FANBOY!!!

I have proof. You have lack of balls.

When someone is cornered and the only thing that leaves that person`s keyboard is exclamations of "lols" and "your da 1 who is da fanboy" - while dodging the questions asked it means what it means.

You are crying a river. And thats fanboysh.

Originally posted by Wil7
Well lets see, Kisame only used one jutsu against Asuma, and that wasn't near 30% chakra, and it would have taken down Asuma with ease if it wasn't for Kakashi copying the jutsu, and all Gai stood up better than Asuma did.

You cant know if the water Jutsu would have taken out Asuma, since Kakashi showed up at that time. Thats like proving a negative. There is nothing in the dialogue saying that Asuma wouldnt be able to have done anything. He certainly doesnt cry: "thank you kakashi, glad you showed up or i was done *sobs*"

He says "what are YOU doing here now"?

Since a weaker and out of shape Kakashi, managed to take water jutsu against Zab, and wasent killed, we can expeculate that a simple water jutsu isent going to outrigth kill anyone of Jounin level.

Knocked back? Maybe and also likely. But then again they can all dodge it, like Ten-ten did against Kisame`s *rolls eyes*.

Originally posted by Wil7
It doesn't matter if I don't read the manga, although I read it from time to time, but the anime shows all that happens in the fight, unlike the manga, and it is flat out better than manga scans.

Ah, it "doesnt matter if you read the manga" and you "read it time to time". You also say you see the Anime instead, wich contains added filler moments that arent in the Manga. Good job.

Yes, we all managed to gather that. You dont read it. And its obviously important to be able to discuss shit like this.

Originally posted by Wil7
You are argueing over a fight where you can't even argue how Asuma wins, and you are saying that I don't know anything, and I was just looking at the Asuma, and Hidan fight, and Asuma got owned.

And this again shows your ignorance. Its pathetic.

Asuma got owned by a jutsu that outrigth kills anyone with a drop of blood. Thats genin level!

Like in the further chapters indicate (if you had..read it) the only way anyone took Hidan out for good, was with prep + chosen battlefield + traps all over that battlefield + help + Hidan`s partner`s blood, (wich was actually the key, or Shika would be dead even with all this prep) + knowlege of Hidan`s figthing style + knowlege of Hidan`s jutsu AND religion. And last but not the least (mentioned by Shika) Asuma`s own tips to him before he died.

EVERTHING that Asuma did NOT have. Only someone foolish enough and that does not read the Manga, can come up and make the general idiotic comparations that you do, without knowing what context is.

Originally posted by Wil7
You don't know shit about Naruto do you? Asuma would have lost with 1 jutsu, and how many did Kisame have to use until Gai opened some gates? ALOT!!!

Lets see:

Kisame`s first jutsu was dodged by EVERYONE in the battlefield as we know. Even by Ten-Ten.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/256/03/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/256/04-05/

Kisame`s water prison was NOT used on Gai, but his team. Thats two(!) out of three water jutsu that didnt mattered in the figth against Gai.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/257/13/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/257/14/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/257/15/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/257/16/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/257/17/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/257/18/

Gai had also HELP of Lee and Neji as well as Ten-Ten in the beginning of the figth.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/256/06/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/256/07/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/256/08/

Now the rest:

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/258/02/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/258/03/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/258/08/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/258/09/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/258/10/

Until Kisame tried to use the underwater shark jutsu, it was mostly all a physical encounter, of wich Gai failed worse than Asuma did, since he couldnt even stop the initial charge of Kisame`s sword, and end up bloodied from a punch.

And of course, when Gai was caugh in the shark jutsu, what does he do? He pulls off "his best attack" so far. Wich shows that without it, he would have gotten owned. He says so himself something on the note of: "its my last chance".

Hear that? Its you getting owned you little "reading the Manga doesnt matter to debate characters of the same". You cant even cry a river and stick to the idea that Kisame was bloodlust (or more bloodlust than he was against Asuma - and he was angry then) when the only thing he was pissed at Gai was that he didnt remembered him for the sneak kick he got, years before. The clone`s task is explicity stated to be to DELAY both teams, only, not to kill them.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/256/09/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/256/10/

Originally posted by Wil7
You are the one talking nonsence. You have no facts to show that Asuma can win, and I have showed facts on who would win. Gai has every advantage, and I will put 2 more facts:1. Asuma sucks
2. Gai is better with ease

Those arent facts, those are assumptions of a fool who doesnt read the Manga.

Asuma can figth normal Gai on even terms and even win because:

Hes fast for it. And he has showed it.

Its physically stronger. And he has showed it.

Hien is a one kill jutsu against most nin`s who dont sport some kind of good skin protection, like Hidan`s partner. And thats an if, since we never saw Asuma against that guy. A protection that Gai doesnt have.

Originally posted by Wil7
Name someone who is faster?

Thats easy, and more than one poster will answer to this. Itachi. And considerable so. Also Current Sasuke. And lets not even go with deceased nin, or he would go down more in the list.

Kakashi and Asuma are well on the level of Gai without using Gates.

Originally posted by Wil7
Asuma beat a bunch of sound ninja, who shikamaru would have killed if it wasn't for the 9th sound ninja stopping the attack.

Except in the Manga, Shikamaru makes it perfectly clear that if his chakra wasent low, the best he could still pull off was a DELAY.

Without it however, he wanted to buy time for Naruto and Sakura by offing himself as a sacrifising LAMB. He knew he would DIE.

You dont. read.the. Manga.

Originally posted by Wil7
Well, that is preety much all we will see from him,..

It isent.

In fact, the amount of battles Asuma has been in, are comparable with the amount of *significant battles*, Gai has been in. What Gai got is more screen time, because of the comedy about insisting in having a non correspondent rivality with Kakashi.

Originally posted by Wil7
and for all we know, he could have been using all of his strenght, but still lost.

Dont rape context. If Gai didnt pulled the 6th Gate, by his OWN admittion, he was done. And we SEE before the gate being open, Gai getting a can of woop ass on him, physically.

And while its clear that Kisame would beat both Asuma and Gai to the ground that way, we all saw one doing better than the other in that regard. And it wasent Gai.

Originally posted by Wil7
Asuma would have clearly lost to Kisame with one jutsu

When has a water jutsu ever one shot anyone of this level? Never. You cant also prove something that was never done, its an assumption.

But fine, if Asuma didnt wanted to make Kisame look like a fool, he would have extended his hien further and cut off his head. And Kisame not being immortal, or having a partner that could pull him together again, would have lost.

See? So many "ifs". And all possible, except in this case we HAVE SEEN what the Hien can do (cut a guys head with one hit - of the same group, and the same with wood and a boulder), wereas we havent seen a simple Water Jutsu like the one Kisame used, one shot anyone. Especially of this level.

My reading assumption > your non reading assumption.

Originally posted by olympian
Yes you did, fanboy. Now prove it.



This is like asking me "who is faster than him, aka nobody is". Same thing.

Links. "One Manga.com" got the whole set of chapters so far. Show me. If you dont, ill know you are a lying.



Show me in the Manga examples of all this.

Links.



I have proof. You have lack of balls.

When someone is cornered and the only thing that leaves that person`s keyboard is exclamations of "lols" and "your da 1 who is da fanboy" - while dodging the questions asked it means what it means.

You are crying a river. And thats fanboysh.



You cant know if the water Jutsu would have taken out Asuma, since Kakashi showed up at that time. Thats like proving a negative. There is nothing in the dialogue saying that Asuma wouldnt be able to have done anything. He certainly doesnt cry: "thank you kakashi, glad you showed up or i was done *sobs*"

He says "what are YOU doing here now"?

Since a weaker and out of shape Kakashi, managed to take water jutsu against Zab, and wasent killed, we can expeculate that a simple water jutsu isent going to outrigth kill anyone of Jounin level.

Knocked back? Maybe and also likely. But then again they can all dodge it, like Ten-ten did against Kisame`s *rolls eyes*.



Ah, it "doesnt matter if you read the manga" and you "read it time to time". You also say you see the Anime instead, wich contains added filler moments that arent in the Manga. Good job.

Yes, we all managed to gather that. You dont read it. And its obviously important to be able to discuss shit like this.



And this again shows your ignorance. Its pathetic.

Asuma got owned by a jutsu that outrigth kills anyone with a drop of blood. Thats genin level!

Like in the further chapters indicate (if you had..read it) the only way anyone took Hidan out for good, was with prep + chosen battlefield + traps all over that battlefield + help + Hidan`s partner`s blood, (wich was actually the key, or Shika would be dead even with all this prep) + knowlege of Hidan`s figthing style + knowlege of Hidan`s jutsu AND religion. And last but not the least (mentioned by Shika) Asuma`s own tips to him before he died.

EVERTHING that Asuma did NOT have. Only someone foolish enough and that does not read the Manga, can come up and make the general idiotic comparations that you do, without knowing what context is.



Lets see:

Kisame`s first jutsu was dodged by EVERYONE in the battlefield as we know. Even by Ten-Ten.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/256/03/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/256/04-05/

Kisame`s water prison was NOT used on Gai, but his team. Thats two(!) out of three water jutsu that didnt mattered in the figth against Gai.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/257/13/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/257/14/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/257/15/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/257/16/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/257/17/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/257/18/

Gai had also HELP of Lee and Neji as well as Ten-Ten in the beginning of the figth.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/256/06/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/256/07/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/256/08/

Now the rest:

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/258/02/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/258/03/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/258/08/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/258/09/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/258/10/

Until Kisame tried to use the underwater shark jutsu, it was mostly all a physical encounter, of wich Gai failed worse than Asuma did, since he couldnt even stop the initial charge of Kisame`s sword, and end up bloodied from a punch.

And of course, when Gai was caugh in the shark jutsu, what does he do? He pulls off "his best attack" so far. Wich shows that without it, he would have gotten owned. He says so himself something on the note of: "its my last chance".

Hear that? Its you getting owned you little "reading the Manga doesnt matter to debate characters of the same". You cant even cry a river and stick to the idea that Kisame was bloodlust (or more bloodlust than he was against Asuma - and he was angry then) when the only thing he was pissed at Gai was that he didnt remembered him for the sneak kick he got, years before. The clone`s task is explicity stated to be to DELAY both teams, only, not to kill them.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/256/09/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/256/10/



Those arent facts, those are assumptions of a fool who doesnt read the Manga.

Asuma can figth normal Gai on even terms and even win because:

Hes fast for it. And he has showed it.

Its physically stronger. And he has showed it.

Hien is a one kill jutsu against most nin`s who dont sport some kind of good skin protection, like Hidan`s partner. And thats an if, since we never saw Asuma against that guy. A protection that Gai doesnt have.



Thats easy, and more than one poster will answer to this. Itachi. And considerable so. Also Current Sasuke. And lets not even go with deceased nin, or he would go down more in the list.

Kakashi and Asuma are well on the level of Gai without using Gates.



Except in the Manga, Shikamaru makes it perfectly clear that if his chakra wasent low, the best he could still pull off was a DELAY.

Without it however, he wanted to buy time for Naruto and Sakura by offing himself as a sacrifising LAMB. He knew he would DIE.

You dont. read.the. Manga.



It isent.

In fact, the amount of battles Asuma has been in, are comparable with the amount of *significant battles*, Gai has been in. What Gai got is more screen time, because of the comedy about insisting in having a non correspondent rivality with Kakashi.



Dont rape context. If Gai didnt pulled the 6th Gate, by his OWN admittion, he was done. And we SEE before the gate being open, Gai getting a can of woop ass on him, physically.

And while its clear that Kisame would beat both Asuma and Gai to the ground that way, we all saw one doing better than the other in that regard. And it wasent Gai.



When has a water jutsu ever one shot anyone of this level? Never. You cant also prove something that was never done, its an assumption.

But fine, if Asuma didnt wanted to make Kisame look like a fool, he would have extended his hien further and cut off his head. And Kisame not being immortal, or having a partner that could pull him together again, would have lost.

See? So many "ifs". And all possible, except in this case we HAVE SEEN what the Hien can do (cut a guys head with one hit - of the same group, and the same with wood and a boulder), wereas we havent seen a simple Water Jutsu like the one Kisame used, one shot anyone. Especially of this level.

My reading assumption > your non reading assumption.

I am not reading all of your fanboyish, retarded, and flat out gay of a post, but I will answer a one and say one more thing.

Kakashi beat Zabuza with one water style jutsu, and that is a weak jutsu, and a water shark bomb would have beaten Asuma, if it wasn't for Kakashi.

You are an immature little *******. You're comebacks for this are laughable, in fact, , and they are pathetic. You can't even argue how Asuma would win, because flat out, he won't be able to keep up with Gai's speed, when he couldn't avoid Hidan getting alittle blood from him. Kakashi has shown to be one of the best jounin from the village, and Gai has beaten him. Come back with a at least reosonable comeback on how Asuma could beat Gai, then I will argue with your immature, retarded ass more, but until then, you're a waste of my time.

Originally posted by Wil7
I am not reading all of your fanboyish, retarded, and flat out gay of a post, but I will answer a one and say one more thing.

Kakashi beat Zabuza with one water style jutsu, and that is a weak jutsu, and a water shark bomb would have beaten Asuma, if it wasn't for Kakashi.

You are an immature little *******. You're comebacks for this are laughable, in fact, , and they are pathetic. You can't even argue how Asuma would win, because flat out, he won't be able to keep up with Gai's speed, when he couldn't avoid Hidan getting alittle blood from him. Kakashi has shown to be one of the best jounin from the village, and Gai has beaten him. Come back with a at least reosonable comeback on how Asuma could beat Gai, then I will argue with your immature, retarded ass more, but until then, you're a waste of my time. You're an ignorant, immature, moronic child.

I know I am immature, but not as immature as olympian. I mean he is basically trying to outcuss me, and has absolutly no arguement for Asuma vs Gai.

You tell me who honestly wins DJ. Oh, and yeah Itachi is only quicker with handsigns.

i think akatsuki will win with little effort.

akatsuki would win

Originally posted by Wil7
I know I am immature, but not as immature as olympian. I mean he is basically trying to outcuss me, and has absolutly no arguement for Asuma vs Gai.

You tell me who honestly wins DJ. Oh, and yeah Itachi is only quicker with handsigns.

Im not "trying to". I did. And look at you crying for everyone to see.

And it wasent hard, because you lack anything resembling an argument. When you ask "how you compare Asuma and normal Gai" you arent expecting people to actually think in any objective way, you just want to hear wheter people go with the popular internet flow or not.

What the heck makes normal Gai so awesome in your eyes that places him higher than the other two elite Jounin? I cant tell, but its sure not in the Manga. And guess what im using.

And Itachi is not only quickier with handsigns. Sorry to burst your overrateness. I could again post pages from the source that imply that, but we all know now, that not even the authour can appearantly change your mind.

Originally posted by olympian
Im not "trying to". I did. And look at you crying for everyone to see.

And it wasent hard, because you lack anything resembling an argument. When you ask "how you compare Asuma and normal Gai" you arent expecting people to actually think in any objective way, you just want to hear wheter people go with the popular internet flow or not.

What the heck makes normal Gai so awesome in your eyes that places him higher than the other two elite Jounin? I cant tell, but its sure not in the Manga. And guess what im using.

And Itachi is not only quickier with handsigns. Sorry to burst your overrateness. I could again post pages from the source that imply that, but we all know now, that not even the authour can appearantly change your mind.

I am tired of arguing Asuma, who can't even beat Hidan, vs Gai, because all he needs to do is use primary lotus, hidden lotus, or peacock move and win, but that won't change your opinion because you just say he will win without arguing how. Learn how to debate first, then argue.

Originally posted by Wil7
I am tired of arguing Asuma, who can't even beat Hidan, vs Gai, because all he needs to do is use primary lotus, hidden lotus, or peacock move and win, but that won't change your opinion because you just say he will win without arguing how. Learn how to debate first, then argue. You keep acting like loosing to Hidan is a low point when Hidan only won because he's immortal, and that Asuma would have won if he hadn't been. Not to mention Gai barley beat a weakened Kisame who wasn't trying.

Originally posted by Wil7
I am tired of arguing Asuma, who can't even beat Hidan, vs Gai, because all he needs to do is use primary lotus, hidden lotus, or peacock move and win, but that won't change your opinion because you just say he will win without arguing how. Learn how to debate first, then argue.

Notice how nobody agrees with you? There is a reason for that. And its not only because you havent read the Manga.

You should also learn to lose a debate with charm. I mean, after *you* learn how to properly debate first, that is.

this is a 1 sided fight

Originally posted by Wil7
I know I am immature, but not as immature as olympian. I mean he is basically trying to outcuss me, and has absolutly no arguement for Asuma vs Gai.

You tell me who honestly wins DJ. Oh, and yeah Itachi is only quicker with handsigns. Only in his case he is presenting an argument and using logic and proof directly from the primary source, the manga, to support his case, whereas you are just posting slanderous remarks and using a painfully obvious amount of fallacious points.

Between Gai and Asuma? IMO Gai.

Here is the thing, Gai is very fast, possibly faster than Asuma, possibly not, but is definately physically more powerful and possessing more variety in his Taijutsu style, I won't say he is more skilled at Taijutsu than Asuma, only more versatile with it.

Using Kisame is rather unfair, several of Gai's advantages he would have over Asuma are negated with Kisame, as Kisame is fast enough to fight Gai, has much greater physical strength, more versatility in Taijutsu,, and more overall versatility and power.

Asuma got one shot in on Kisame, from a surprise hit, the rest of the fight went rather poorly for Asuma, who was easily driven back and would have been hit with a water jutsu which would have hurt, maybe killed Asuma.

Kisame's chakra reserves were indeed lower when he fought Gai, but he fought with more ferocity and used more jutsu and more power in them.

Also, Itachi is faster period, able to move so fast a power Sharingan user like Kakashi could not perceive him.

You still suck at debating because you don't say how he wins olympian, when all he needs to do is use the peacock dance and win, or hidden lotus, and if you think Asuma will be able to stop that, you are a complete fanboy then.

Everyone says i do, but you. Loser.

You also changed your earlier debate from "Gai wont even need to use any gates to beat Asuma" to "he needs to do the peacock dance".

And that makes you a double loser.

...notice that everyone has gotten away from the topic. Instead of arguing about who is better you argue about who is the better Debater.

Remember. If your are too good at Debating people will call you a

"Master Debater" HAHAHA

Originally posted by olympian
Everyone says i do, but you. Loser.

You also changed your earlier debate from "Gai wont even need to use any gates to beat Asuma" to "he needs to do the peacock dance".

And that makes you a double loser.

although i take your side on this...
double loser???
thats kinda lame... maybe even "double" lame

Appropiate for the poster in question, as far as i am concerned

Originally posted by olympian
Everyone says i do, but you. Loser.

You also changed your earlier debate from "Gai wont even need to use any gates to beat Asuma" to "he needs to do the peacock dance".

And that makes you a double loser.

He doesn't need to use the gates, but just to end it quickly and kill Asuma he could use it, but Gai could just use his normal speed and just toy with him for the entire time, and you still haven't showed that Asuma can keep up with Gai's speed.

You just said before he needs to do his peacock dance. The gate.

So, wich is it? And when are you going to show me the links that support your stance?

Originally posted by olympian
You just said before he needs to do his peacock dance. The gate.

So, wich is it? And when are you going to show me the links that support your stance?

HE could either the gates which is quicker, or his pure speed which is longer, and the results will remain.

What di I honestly need to prove nub, that he could use the gates and win, well we already know that he can use the gates and win, and you need to show proof that Asuma can block stuff faster than Gai.

Of course you need to prove it. You arent arguing with an internet flock, that goes along with fanwank.

Where does Gai without opening the gates, looks to be faster than Asuma in the manga? If you knew this already, it wouldnt take more than FOUR pages, for you to (not) post SOMETHING and show it.

Put up or....you know the rest.

How its going to be?

Originally posted by olympian
Of course you need to prove it. You arent arguing with an internet flock, that goes along with fanwank.

Where does Gai without opening the gates, looks to be faster than Asuma in the manga? If you knew this already, it wouldnt take more than FOUR pages, for you to (not) post SOMETHING and show it.

Put up or....you know the rest.

How its going to be?

Well, since he was the one who taught Lee super speed, and is even beyond that speed, and it has already been stated that Gai is faster than Kakashi, and Kakashi is faster than Asuma, noob. And just to show you, here is a quote that Gai said to Lee:

"I was a failure when I was your age, but now I can even beat Kakashi, the elite genius. It's only a matter of time until Lee finally surpasses you!"


Now thatt I have prooved that Gai is faster than even Kakashi, and has even beaten him, I want you to prove that Asuma has stopped speed better than this: you know what, go watch the damm Gai vs Kisame fight yourself, because I still know, even if I show scans, your opinion won't change.

Originally posted by Wil7
Well, since he was the one who taught Lee super speed

Any known elite Jounin is faster than Lee. Look at what three of them *randomly* did to Neji, when he attempted to strike Hinata.

Originally posted by Wil7
And just to show you, here is a quote that Gai said to Lee:

"I was a failure when I was your age, but now I can even beat Kakashi, the elite genius. It's only a matter of time until Lee finally surpasses you!"

Yes. He *can* beat Kakashi. The same way he *can* and *will* lose on other ocassions. That has also been stated. Gai and Kakashi have a win AND loss record against each other. And most of them werent stated to have been figths either.

Likewise, Asuma *can* also beat Gai. The speed showings hes got are comparable with what the other two showed, hes gone against two s-class nin, that also fougth the other two, and didnt looked any less faster than they did by direct comparation.

Bottom line IS, Gai isent on a rank or level where he automatically wins everytime against other elite Jounin. And Lee certainly isent surpassing anyone on that level rigth now, is he?

Originally posted by Wil7
Now thatt I have prooved that Gai is faster than even Kakashi, and has even beaten him

Fallacy.

Its been stated that Gai has also lost to Kakashi. Why then, are you going by absolute numbers, fanboy?

Originally posted by Wil7
I want you to prove that Asuma has stopped speed better than this: you know what, go watch the damm Gai vs Kisame fight yourself, because I still know, even if I show scans, your opinion won't change.

I find it funny that now you decide to call the need to show scans at this point, after five pages, when the scans you just claimed you would use wer already posted in this thread. By whom? Me.

Now, you just owned yourself.

Asuma dodged, in front of kisame (the real deal) multiple sword strikes. He wasent flying around the opponent, he was standing in one place - dodging- strikes on Kisame`s face.

Where is the panel of Gai going faster than that until he opened the gates? Nowhere.

So, if Gai is above someone like Kakashi and Asuma (and thats an if), the difference is minimal as shit. Otherwise the Mangaka would have showed the huge difference so far. And he hasent. Certainly not without something extra, that we have mentiond ad neasum so far.

Originally posted by olympian
Any known elite Jounin is faster than Lee. Look at what three of them *randomly* did to Neji, when he attempted to strike Hinata.



Yes. He *can* beat Kakashi. The same way he *can* and *will* lose on other ocassions. That has also been stated. Gai and Kakashi have a win AND loss record against each other. And most of them werent stated to have been figths either.

Likewise, Asuma *can* also beat Gai. The speed showings hes got are comparable with what the other two showed, hes gone against two s-class nin, that also fougth the other two, and didnt looked any less faster than they did by direct comparation.

Bottom line IS, Gai isent on a rank or level where he automatically wins everytime against other elite Jounin. And Lee certainly isent surpassing anyone on that level rigth now, is he?



Fallacy.

Its been stated that Gai has also lost to Kakashi. Why then, are you going by absolute numbers, fanboy?



I find it funny that now you decide to call the need to show scans at this point, after five pages, when the scans you just claimed you would use wer already posted in this thread. By whom? Me.

Now, you just owned yourself.

Asuma dodged, in front of kisame (the real deal) multiple sword strikes. He wasent flying around the opponent, he was standing in one place - dodging- strikes on Kisame`s face.

Where is the panel of Gai going faster than that until he opened the gates? Nowhere.

So, if Gai is above someone like Kakashi and Asuma (and thats an if), the difference is minimal as shit. Otherwise the Mangaka would have showed the huge difference so far. And he hasent. Certainly not without something extra, that we have mentiond ad neasum so far.

Still no proof I see. I am still waiting for proof that Asuma can keep up with Gai's speed.

You just quote me giving you all the proof in the world. On the other hand, i will be old and senile until you pull the scans out of your ass, to show me where normal Gai is so much faster than either Kakashi or Asuma in speed. Its what you *claimed*, and five pages after, i still see shit.

Go to OneManga.com and direct me to, where in the figth against Kisame, Gai dodged some attack faster than Asuma did. Next, go to Kakashi`s bouts with Hidan, and point me in, where did he moved faster than Asuma did agaisnt the same opponent.

Then go back to Leaf versus Sound nin, and point me out of any of them moving faster than Asuma.

I dont CARE about your assumptions, or personal rankings of the characters based on the Anime or internet resumes, i want you to point me in, to something that is actually there. If you cant do it even with a website hosting the whole damn Manga at your disposal, to something that actually holds back your claim to be true, you shouldnt be calling out anyone on whatever matter.

Let this be my final warning. Link to us the pages where Gai is doing what you say he can do, without opening the Gates. Dont bother replying with more strawman bullshit, if you know of cases of him doing it, search in the pages and post them. If not, you wont be taken seriously. Buh-bye.

Originally posted by olympian
You just quote me giving you all the proof in the world. On the other hand, i will be old and senile until you pull the scans out of your ass, to show me where normal Gai is so much faster than either Kakashi or Asuma in speed. Its what you *claimed*, and five pages after, i still see shit.

Go to OneManga.com and direct me to, where in the figth against Kisame, Gai dodged some attack faster than Asuma did. Next, go to Kakashi`s bouts with Hidan, and point me in, where did he moved faster than Asuma did agaisnt the same opponent.

Then go back to Leaf versus Sound nin, and point me out of any of them moving faster than Asuma.

I dont CARE about your assumptions, or personal rankings of the characters based on the Anime or internet resumes, i want you to point me in, to something that is actually there. If you cant do it even with a website hosting the whole damn Manga at your disposal, to something that actually holds back your claim to be true, you shouldnt be calling out anyone on whatever matter.

Let this be my final warning. Link to us the pages where Gai is doing what you say he can do, without opening the Gates. Dont bother replying with more strawman bullshit, if you know of cases of him doing it, search in the pages and post them. If not, you wont be taken seriously. Buh-bye.

I don't think you understand that I want manga scans where Asuma has kept up with super speed, or is it too much for ya little brain to handle?

Some of them are already posted on page 4. Why are you pretending that you cant see them?

Omg1! look at the godly speed!

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/257/12/

Yeah, Gai. You really are heaps and bounds above a guy that does this:

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/141/16/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/141/17/

Omg, Kakashi, you are so much faster than Asuma1!:

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/335/03/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/335/04/

Or maybe not...

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/323/04/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/323/05/

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/323/10/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/323/11/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/323/12/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/323/13/

Its funny as shit that I already posted scans of both Gai and Asuma, and you havent post a single thing so far, and yet you act like you demand anything.

You appearantly cant do it, even with a direct link to a site hosting all the Manga. And that is the biggest AUTOfail i have seen this week.

Maybe mods should close down this thread. This strawman joker isent going anywhere with his shittactics.

Originally posted by olympian
Some of them are already posted on page 4. Why are you pretending that you cant see them?

Omg1! look at the godly speed!

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/257/12/

Yes, Gai was able to connect a kick to the face, something that Asuma lacks.

Originally posted by olympian
Yeah, Gai. You really are heaps and bounds above a guy that does this:

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/141/16/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/141/17/

I HAVE NEVER SEEN SUCH SPEED< THAT SPEED IS SO FAST< HE WAS ABLE TO GIVE KISAME A TINY LITTLE CUT, , INCREDIBLE SPEED.

Originally posted by olympian
Omg, Kakashi, you are so much faster than Asuma1!

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/335/03/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/335/04/

You didn't even choose Kakashi's best speed feat, you don't even choose a good one.

Originally posted by olympian
Or maybe not...

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/323/04/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/323/05/

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/323/10/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/323/11/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/323/12/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/323/13/

These are the speed feats you chose for Asuma's speed feat, gosh, that is just so blinding fast, JK. It isn't even that fast.

Originally posted by olympian
Its funny as shit that I already posted scans of both Gai and Asuma, and you havent post a single thing so far, and yet you act like you demand anything.

You appearantly cant do it, even with a direct link to a site hosting all the Manga. And that is the biggest AUTOfail i have seen this week.

Maybe mods should close down this thread. This strawman joker isent going anywhere with his shittactics.

The fact is that Gai's and Kakashi's speed feats that you showed are not even there best. You don't want to show there best because, you want to know why, because you are 100% Asuma's fanboy, and you are trying to show that Asuma is faster than Gai, and Kakashi by choosing some of there worst speed feats, and choosing Asuma's best. Doing that is just proving how big of a fanboy you are.

Well, I am trying to do it, but I have the slowest internet service to save money, and yours is probably faster than mine, and costs more money, so stop bitching and complaning, because I am getting tired and sick of your bullshit.

Maybe you should kayete la boca, coprende. No habla espanol? Oh, i'm sorry, let me translate, shut your mouth, understand.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/38/Naruto38-11/

This is even better, unlike your shitty, and pathetic ones combined.

Impressing a Genin Sasuke isn't much a feat.. he was impressed by even Gaara.

Originally posted by Wil7
Yes, Gai was able to connect a kick to the face, something that Asuma lacks

You mean connecting a kick in the face when Kisame wasent attempting to strike him multiple times? Impressive indeed. I know now why you trow a BONER to Gai, everytime.

Asuma was dodging multiple Kisame strikes, in one spot, without dancing around. I could even have posted the afterwards of the initial jutsu, where everyone dodged it, and Gai was watching Kisame charging directly at him, and yet he needed Lee for help, since he barely could dodge him at all.

Why didnt i posted? "Ha! Maybe Gai was too busy dodging the big ass jutsu, to be able to properly dodge Kisame" i though, but on the other hand, Lee had to dodge it as well, and yet..?

And of course, you are wrong. Asuma and Kisame got one hit against each other. Asuma obviously just didnt kicked him, because he figths with blades, Gai doesnt. And vice versa.

Originally posted by Wil7
I HAVE NEVER SEEN SUCH SPEED< THAT SPEED IS SO FAST< HE WAS ABLE TO GIVE KISAME A TINY LITTLE CUT, , INCREDIBLE SPEED.

Now show me Gai moving faster than Asuma was, when he was dodging multiple strikes in one spot.

Give your boner a rest. We all know what would have happened if Asuma wasent trying to make Kisame look like a fool, even smiling in the same bastard way that Kisame did, when he cut him earlier.

You see, we have SEEN him doing it.

Originally posted by Wil7
You didn't even choose Kakashi's best speed feat, you don't even choose a good one.

He wasent moving faster than Hidan`s partner either. And this is > pre skip Kakashi. They all looked comparable.

Stop making excuses and show me the fooking pages.

Originally posted by Wil7
These are the speed feats you chose for Asuma's speed feat, gosh, that is just so blinding fast, JK. It isn't even that fast.

Its fast by any standarts for everyone but YOU.

Doesnt that tell you anything?

Originally posted by Wil7
The fact is that Gai's and Kakashi's speed feats that you showed are not even there best. You don't want to show there best because, you want to know why, because you are 100% Asuma's fanboy, and you are trying to show that Asuma is faster than Gai, and Kakashi by choosing some of there worst speed feats, and choosing Asuma's best. Doing that is just proving how big of a fanboy you are.

I already ASKED you three pages AGO, for you to SHOW ME those amazing speed feats. Where are THEY? Prove me wrong. You have the damn site at your disposal, you dont pay for linking. And its all you need to DO, link them. Heck, you did it in your last post.

You dont, because you have barely read the Manga. Gai without pushing the Gates does NOT have better speed feats than what he showed against Kisame, and Kisame its his most recent (and so far, ONLY) post skip figth. So, unless you are talking about the anime filler, what better feats are you talking about, fool?

Originally posted by Wil7
Well, I am trying to do it, but I have the slowest internet service to save money, and yours is probably faster than mine, and costs more money, so stop bitching and complaning, because I am getting tired and sick of your bullshit.

Haha, excuses.

You lost. Concead it with some grace.

Originally posted by Wil7
Maybe you should kayete la boca, coprende. No habla espanol? Oh, i'm sorry, let me translate, shut your mouth, understand.

You should learn some more Spanish. You made at least two verbal errors in one sentence only. That impresses me more than your fanboysm in this thread.

Originally posted by Wil7
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/38/Naruto38-11/

This is even better, unlike your shitty, and pathetic ones combined.

See how you can post links after all, you big bullshitter?

The only reason you posted this, its because its the only thing you can find, and it doesnt even help your case. Unless you want to open a thread and claim that the pre-chunnin Team 7, and especifically the pre-chunnin Sasuke, is faster or reacts to speeds faster than S class nins. Are you?

Im giving examples of Asuma, Gai and Kakashi, post skip, going against guys that are overall S-nin LEVEL, and you show me a page of a reaction from a GENIN, who didnt even started doing his chunin exam YET?

Major Fail.

Damn i miust be sleeping. I even agreed with Gai connecting a kick on the face of Kisame, on a page where the kick is being blocked by the sword!

tsk.

Originally posted by Wil7
Yes, Gai was able to connect a kick to the face, something that Asuma lacks.



I HAVE NEVER SEEN SUCH SPEED< THAT SPEED IS SO FAST< HE WAS ABLE TO GIVE KISAME A TINY LITTLE CUT, , INCREDIBLE SPEED.



You didn't even choose Kakashi's best speed feat, you don't even choose a good one.



These are the speed feats you chose for Asuma's speed feat, gosh, that is just so blinding fast, JK. It isn't even that fast.



The fact is that Gai's and Kakashi's speed feats that you showed are not even there best. You don't want to show there best because, you want to know why, because you are 100% Asuma's fanboy, and you are trying to show that Asuma is faster than Gai, and Kakashi by choosing some of there worst speed feats, and choosing Asuma's best. Doing that is just proving how big of a fanboy you are.

Well, I am trying to do it, but I have the slowest internet service to save money, and yours is probably faster than mine, and costs more money, so stop bitching and complaning, because I am getting tired and sick of your bullshit.

Maybe you should kayete la boca, coprende. No habla espanol? Oh, i'm sorry, let me translate, shut your mouth, understand.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/38/Naruto38-11/

This is even better, unlike your shitty, and pathetic ones combined.

You have shown NO valid points in this thread. All you do is dismiss the information from other members and bash. If you continue to do this then you will get a warning for disrupting the thread. Either cntribute or leave the thread. Fans have put the links for making points. All you do is "OMFG WHO CARES?"

Originally posted by olympian
You mean connecting a kick in the face when Kisame wasent attempting to strike him multiple times? Impressive indeed. I know now why you trow a BONER to Gai, everytime.

Asuma was dodging multiple Kisame strikes, in one spot, without dancing around. I could even have posted the afterwards of the initial jutsu, where everyone dodged it, and Gai was watching Kisame charging directly at him, and yet he needed Lee for help, since he barely could dodge him at all.

Why didnt i posted? "Ha! Maybe Gai was too busy dodging the big ass jutsu, to be able to properly dodge Kisame" i though, but on the other hand, Lee had to dodge it as well, and yet..?

And of course, you are wrong. Asuma and Kisame got one hit against each other. Asuma obviously just didnt kicked him, because he figths with blades, Gai doesnt. And vice versa.



Now show me Gai moving faster than Asuma was, when he was dodging multiple strikes in one spot.

Give your boner a rest. We all know what would have happened if Asuma wasent trying to make Kisame look like a fool, even smiling in the same bastard way that Kisame did, when he cut him earlier.

You see, we have SEEN him doing it.



He wasent moving faster than Hidan`s partner either. And this is > pre skip Kakashi. They all looked comparable.

Stop making excuses and show me the fooking pages.



Its fast by any standarts for everyone but YOU.

Doesnt that tell you anything?



I already ASKED you three pages AGO, for you to SHOW ME those amazing speed feats. Where are THEY? Prove me wrong. You have the damn site at your disposal, you dont pay for linking. And its all you need to DO, link them. Heck, you did it in your last post.

You dont, because you have barely read the Manga. Gai without pushing the Gates does NOT have better speed feats than what he showed against Kisame, and Kisame its his most recent (and so far, ONLY) post skip figth. So, unless you are talking about the anime filler, what better feats are you talking about, fool?



Haha, excuses.

You lost. Concead it with some grace.



You should learn some more Spanish. You made at least two verbal errors in one sentence only. That impresses me more than your fanboysm in this thread.



See how you can post links after all, you big bullshitter?

The only reason you posted this, its because its the only thing you can find, and it doesnt even help your case. Unless you want to open a thread and claim that the pre-chunnin Team 7, and especifically the pre-chunnin Sasuke, is faster or reacts to speeds faster than S class nins. Are you?

Im giving examples of Asuma, Gai and Kakashi, post skip, going against guys that are overall S-nin LEVEL, and you show me a page of a reaction from a GENIN, who didnt even started doing his chunin exam YET?

Major Fail.

It doesn't matter at all if he is swinging multiple times, that still doesn't slow down reaction time, and Kisame took a swing at Gai and Gai dodged it and pownded him.

Asuma was struggling to dodge Kisame's attacks too, and if it wasn't for Kakashi getting in the way of the fight, Asuma would have been one-shoted, unlike Gai, who was avoiding some of Kisame's water style attacks.

Yeah, Thanks for proving me right.

Gai has the numchucks, and lets say Kakashi didn't get in the way of the fight, Asuma would have gotten 1 shot in, and Kisame would have 2, and he would have won, with a jutsu that wasn't 30% chakra, and Gai was avoiding most of Kisame's attacks taht all together equaled up to 30% chakra.

He wasn't dodging multiple attacks in one spot, are you blind? Oh yeah, you're a fanboy trying to make Asuma faster than he really is. He is moving backwards and dodging those attacks. If you are counting Asuma moving in front of someone fast, then in the episode where those twin mist ninja's attak Tazuna, Sasuke jumping in front of Sakura must make him fast.

Giving Kisame alittle cut isn't something that makes Asuma fast, because he didn't see the chakra at the end of the blades, while Kisame saw the kick coming from Gai, and yet he couldn't avoid the kick.

You are still choosing the worst fvcking speed feats for all of them, and choosing the best speed feats for Asuma, because you are a fanboy, and are trying to prove Asuma quicker than he really is, and Gai is faster than him, and better than him because he can at least beat Kakashi, something that shitty Asuma lacks, and calling ME a fanboy is a false statement, because if that were true, then Dark-Jaxx is a fanboy as well then, nub.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/256/04-05/ Dodging 1 water style attack.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/258/16-17/ Faster than all of Asuma's speed feats combined
This is all I need to paste, because it won't change your fanboyish opinion, nub.

Originally posted by Wil7
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/256/04-05/ Dodging 1 water style attack.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/258/16-17/ Faster than all of Asuma's speed feats combined
This is all I need to paste, because it won't change your fanboyish opinion, nub.

He "dodged" an attack that even Tenten was able to avoid. This is impressive how?

Opening 6 gates against a Kisame clone with only 30% of his chakra doesn't mean that he's usually faster than Asuma. It means that he can barely become fast enough to beat 30% of the guy Asuma was able to hit on his own.

The only time Gai was able to properly hit the real Kisame, was when he cheap shotted him.

Wii7, it heartens me that you finally linked something proper in context. Gai only gets faster when he opens (that we have seen so far) the gates. Well done. It only took what? Four pages?

Wonderfull.

Oh and no, boy. Kisame dodged the knuckle. Just not the Hien. Thats what happens to cocky bastards.

I migth open my next thread: "who is faster: Ten-Ten or Asuma"? Maybe in that thread we can get wii7 to explain us, how he knows the author`s intent was to have Asuma one-shot by the water jutsu, since we never got to that point.

He also migth bring examples of such similiar water jutsu actually one shotting a well known Jounin.

Quotes of the day:

Originally posted by Wil7
.He wasn't dodging multiple attacks in one spot, are you blind?
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/141/16/

Arent we all

And who could forget this classic:

Originally posted by Wil7
Yes, Gai was able to connect a kick to the face, something that Asuma lacks
(reference to this page)

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/257/12/

Originally posted by Wil7
are you blind?

I guess i am

Originally posted by olympian
Wii7, it heartens me that you finally linked something proper in context. Gai only gets faster when he opens (that we have seen so far) the gates. Well done. It only took what? Four pages?

Wonderfull.

Oh and no, boy. Kisame dodged the knuckle. Just not the Hien. Thats what happens to cocky bastards.

I migth open my next thread: "who is faster: Ten-Ten or Asuma"? Maybe in that thread we can get wii7 to explain us, how he knows the author`s intent was to have Asuma one-shot by the water jutsu, since we never got to that point.

He also migth bring examples of such similiar water jutsu actually one shotting a well known Jounin.

Quotes of the day:


http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/141/16/

Arent we all

He has all of the speed that Lee has and more. You never see him do it in the manga, but in the anime, he is able to dodge most attacks.
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Kisame+vs+Gai+%28Entire+video%29&hl=en&emb=0&aq=f&safe=active#
Click the one that is 8 min. long.

Everyone knows he would have been one shoted if it wasn't for Kakashi, what's your problem, you are friggin blind, dude, and too much of a fanboy to see that shit.

Asuma got one tiny little shitty cut on Kisame, and Gai got wwwwaaaaaayyyyy more than Asuma. This debate is useless, because you won't change you're fanboy. I have nothing against you personally, but you need to quit being a fanboy for Asuma when everybody knows he would lose to Gai.

FYI, my name is Wil7, not Wii7, get it right dude.

Wil7, will you just shut the fvck up?

Originally posted by Wil7
He has all of the speed that Lee has and more. You never see him do it in the manga, but in the anime...

Autownage.

I rest my case.

I am tired of argueing with your fanboy ass. I is pointless, and worthless. THE END.

Originally posted by Wil7
He has all of the speed that Lee has and more. You never see him do it in the manga..

+

Originally posted by Wil7
I is pointless, and worthless. THE END.

It's about time

Originally posted by Wil7
The battle is:

Kidomaru
Jirobo
Sakon
Tayuya
Kimmimaro

vs

Itachi
Deidara
Hidan
Kakuzu
Sasori

Which group wins? akasuki in a horrible stomp, and like i said before, itachi could solo.

Anyone on Akatsuki could solo, except maybe Hidan because he might have some trouble with Kimimaro.

mmhmm
how would he get blood???
and kimimaro could slice him up pretty quickly, too.

How? Kim has not proven to be that fast, Hidan is around Asuma speed level, which is pretty fast.

He would get blood by cutting him, it is not like he needs a huge amount, just a small amount is sufficient.

kimimaro was dodging drunken fist

this is a stomp no matter how you spin it. kimmimaro can only do so much, his teammates are dead before they can mount an offensive.

yep.
and he has no defense against genjutsu

at the end of the day, these guys are only orochimaru's SUBORDINATES .

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
How? Kim has not proven to be that fast, Hidan is around Asuma speed level, which is pretty fast.

He would get blood by cutting him, it is not like he needs a huge amount, just a small amount is sufficient.
Figthing Hidan without info is pretty much autokill, in most cases. A single drop its all he needs. And going with that, doesnt Kimi releases blood when he uses his transformation?

Regardless of Kimi lasting longer than the others, wich is something blatantly obvious, he wont win anything here. The others are all just on another level.

Originally posted by olympian
Figthing Hidan without info is pretty much autokill, in most cases. A single drop its all he needs. And going with that, doesnt Kimi releases blood when he uses his transformation?

Regardless of Kimi lasting longer than the others, wich is something blatantly obvious, he wont win anything here. The others are all just on another level. I wasn't taking anything from Asuma, but you cannot deny that Hidan was able to match him in speed. And actually, yeah, I think Kimi does.

I was basically in agreement, Hidan is faster than Kim, and he matched Asuma pretty well.