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Below is a list of major political issues which are (mainly in the US) strongly controversial. Most of them already have their own thread or threads on KMC, but in here I want you to give a short summary to most of your own political opinions.

You can give a general overview or a few specific examples relating to the specific topic. Or, preferably both. Some might overlap a bit, or be badly phrased, but I think it's mostly understandable.

In the long run, it might even show interesting developments in the political views of KMCers over the years.

On the other hand this thread can also be used as a sort of general, yet on topic, discussion on all sorts of political subjects. Especially for arguments that don't have a specific place to go into, or are fast paced and on multiple subjects. Well, lets see how it goes. Here the questionnaire:


War and Security (specific wars, terrorism, as well as a general view of armed forces and its theories):

Civil Rights (marriage, abortion, age of consent, voting, etc.):

Economic Issues (free trade/protectionism, taxes, etc.):

Immigration and Foreign Relations (international groups, diplomacy, immigration legislation, etc.):

Other Issues You Find Important:

What country are you citizen of/do you live in?

What political ideology do you identify yourself with?

Comments:

Good idea. I'll take time to do this after my classes today. What are your thoughts though?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Below is a list of major political issues which are (mainly in the US) strongly controversial. Most of them already have their own thread or threads on KMC, but in here I want you to give a short summary to most of your own political opinions.

You can give a general overview or a few specific examples relating to the specific topic. Or, preferably both. Some might overlap a bit, or be badly phrased, but I think it's mostly understandable.

In the long run, it might even show interesting developments in the political views of KMCers over the years.

On the other hand this thread can also be used as a sort of general, yet on topic, discussion on all sorts of political subjects. Especially for arguments that don't have a specific place to go into, or are fast paced and on multiple subjects. Well, lets see how it goes. Here the questionnaire:


War and Security (specific wars, terrorism, as well as a general view of armed forces and its theories):

Civil Rights (marriage, abortion, age of consent, voting, etc.):

Economic Issues (free trade/protectionism, taxes, etc.):

Immigration and Foreign Relations (international groups, diplomacy, immigration legislation, etc.):

Other Issues You Find Important:

What country are you citizen of/do you live in?

What political ideology do you identify yourself with?

Comments:


Bards, you could have just put down one " for that whole bold part. It would have saved you time.




War and Security (specific wars, terrorism, as well as a general view of armed forces and its theories):

No more wars. Bring most troops home from everywhere...not just Iraq.





Civil Rights (marriage, abortion, age of consent, voting, etc.):

Religion should be separate from the laws, for the most part. Common stuff like "killing", "rape", etc. should, of course, be illegal.

Age of consent should stay at 18. Maturity is much too variable to pin it lower or higher.

Voting should have an aptitude test. If you pass, you get to vote. If you fail, you don't vote.





Economic Issues (free trade/protectionism, taxes, etc.):

Freer trade, but not completely free trade. Excise taxes, government revenue, and tariffs are just fine. No more Income taxes and those absurdly long lists of tax/fees on cell phone and internet service bills.




Immigration and Foreign Relations (international groups, diplomacy, immigration legislation, etc.):

Stronger regulation on immigration. Kill the "free money for immigrant" programs. Cut out some of the bureaucracy involved with becoming a citizen to lessen the time of naturalization. With the massive amount of money and troops that are now home (because I want them home), we can better patrol and secure our borders.




Other Issues You Find Important:

We should abolish lots of "cabinet programs". We need to start with the immediate dissolution of the DEA.

We should make MJ legal and a few other drugs. We should make anabolic steroids legal and leave it up to the doctors to decide. We should increase funding for NASA by about 5 times. The FAAs funding should be increased by about $1 billion and the programs continue to be refined/streamlined. We should "socialize" our communication infrastructure a little more than it is now. That sounds bad, but it's not. We need the government to either offer very large tax incentives for ISPs to expand the fiber and wireless infrastructure, or we need the government to build it for us (like Japan). It is "expanding" much too slow.

What country are you citizen of/do you live in?

I live in U.S. Oklahoma in Oklahoma City.


Also, if any of you are ever going to be in "town", let me know and I'll take time off to hang out, fo reals.





What political ideology do you identify yourself with?

I am leaning towards libertarian recently. I've taken a few of those internet political tests (some good, some bad) and it says I lean libertarian, but only slightly. Libertarians are really just the neo-republicans.

War and Security (specific wars, terrorism, as well as a general view of armed forces and its theories): I'm a non-interventionist. Which means I don't want entangling alliances. I don't want to go to war when it is unnecessary and not declared officially by Congress. This differs from isolationsim however in that I still believe in trade with the rest of the world, talking with people through diplomacy.

Iraq was a bunch of nonsense though. Never should have went. We shouldn't stay in Afghanistan forever. That should have been the main focus of getting bin Laden.

Civil Rights (marriage, abortion, age of consent, voting, etc.): I'm all for gay marriage. I'm tired of the attitude towards homosexuals in this country. It is horrible. I'm all for most things as long as there is consent. Incest? Sure. More than one wife? Sure. I stop the line with pedophilia though because the child isn't old enough to make an informed decision of consent.

Economic Issues (free trade/protectionism, taxes, etc.): I'm a firm believer in getting government out of the way and letting the free market do its job. Taxes should be very, very low under a limited government. This means no income tax.

Immigration and Foreign Relations (international groups, diplomacy, immigration legislation, etc.): I believe that we should have tight borders and that illegal immigrants shouldn't get a free pass. That doesn't mean though I want to shut America down and allow nobody to come in. They should all be allowed to come in legally and share in our wealth.

I'm a little 'l' libertarian through and through. Just a quick version. I'll expand later.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Bards, you could have just put down one " for that whole bold part. It would have saved you time.

Yes, but it would have stolen everyone else time. And when I want to reply I would have to do it anyways. This way everyone can profit by just quoting me and having it nicely formatted.

War and Security(Specific Wars, Terrorism, as well as a general view of Armed Forces and its theories):

War should, in these times, not be done for sport or economic issues. That means, most aggressive wars, are, imo, wrong. I understand that preemptive strikes, might be necessary, but it has to be within reason and no country should play world police.

My view is that War is not a tool to improve your economy, and should just be used as a final measure to protect your own people.

A decent sized and specifically well trained armed force is a good tool to maintain stability in foreign relations and have security at home. And they should be used in non aggressive capabilities as foreign aid as well as within the country.

I am against any sort of draft or mandatory service.


Civil Rights (Marriage, Abortion, Age of Consent, Voting, etc.):

The government should have no dealings with marriage. It should grant no tax breaks or other advantages to couples of any kind.

Abortion should be legal at least until a decent time into the pregnancy, to grant women a choice to their body. I also don't think that younger girls should need their parents consent.

Age of Consent, should at least be significantly lowered. The best way would be to totally abolish it and judge on a case to case basis.

I think that younger people should have a say in who runs the country as well. 16 is a good age to be allowed to vote, and also to be elected. I don't think people should need to be actually old to be eligible. If the people find that appropriate then no one younger would be elected. Problem solved. But voting itself should not rest into as much power. A constitution to protect minorities from the majority is very important.


Economic Issues (Free Trade/Protectionism, Taxes, etc.):

I don't think there should be any restrictions on imports or exports. I don't think that the government should subsidy anything, really.

There should be no tax breaks nor additional taxes for businesses or people (like those that have children, etc.)

I think there should be one flat income tax (with up to a certain amount tax free) as well as a VAT on all products. And basically no other taxes.


Immigration and Foreign Relations (International Groups, Diplomacy, Immigration Legislation, etc.):

I think immigrants should have a good chance to get into any country. There's really no reason to deny them access as long as there are no government programs to take advantage of. I don't think being born in a specific place makes you better than someone else.

International Groups as such are not bad. A diplomatic relations amongst all nations is desirable, but I don't think that government should let themselves be bullied into changing their own policies, based on other believes in foreign countries.


Social Programs

There should at most be a basic mandatory education (max to the age of 16), but there should be no in depth government funded school, especially no Universities.

I don't think there should be government funded health care.


Other Issues You Find Important:

On the whole a lot of bureaucracy and government spending has to be cut. NASA for example should not be so heavily funded for no apparent reason.

Drugs should be legal

What political ideology do you identify yourself with

Libertarian, Anarchist

What country are you citizen of/do you live in:

Germany/England

War and Security (specific wars, terrorism, as well as a general view of armed forces and its theories):

I don't really know enough about military science to give an educated opinion but I think precise use of force is a much better use of money and human lives.

Civil Rights (marriage, abortion, age of consent, voting, etc.):

People should be able to do pretty much whatever they want until it hurts someone else. Nonetheless I do think civil rights need to be monitored as much as they are left alone, in the case of something like the age of consent coercion is a factor that does need to be taken into account.

The so called war on drugs needs to end and be replaced with the same policies we have for things like alcohol. Mainly, quality control and taxation.

Economic Issues (free trade/protectionism, taxes, etc.):

Free trade is a good thing but without a way to control it free trade spirals out of control or at least into decidedly immoral areas. Taxes are a necessary part of making any government function, more efficient use is still a better policy.

Immigration and Foreign Relations (international groups, diplomacy, immigration legislation, etc.):

Can't we all just get along?

Other Issues You Find Important:

What country are you citizen of/do you live in?

The US, actually, but don't tell anyone.

What political ideology do you identify yourself with?

Ideally. Benevolent Totalitarian. A relatively small governing body with the ability to enforce needed laws and protect the citizenry from external and internal threats of all sorts (even if that includes the citizens themselves).

Pragmatically. Limited Capitalism.

Comments:

I think this thread is a good idea.

War and Security (specific wars, terrorism, as well as a general view of armed forces and its theories): Totally against it. However, it's probably best to have the best security in a peverse society.

As for war, just not right.

Civil Rights (marriage, abortion, age of consent, voting, etc.): Voting, consent and marriage age should be 16 and anyone allowed to do all...except men are not allowed to have abortions. No matter what. However, I'm not that kean on voting or government.

Also, marijuana, as well as all other drugs should be totally legal. But maybe some restrictions if things get out of hand. Like addiction and abuse.

Economic Issues (free trade/protectionism, taxes, etc.): Take money out of the scenario.

Immigration and Foreign Relations (international groups, diplomacy, immigration legislation, etc.): "My country is the world, and my religion is to do good." -- Thomas Paine

Other Issues You Find Important: Education needs serious improvement.

What country are you citizen of/do you live in? UK

What political ideology do you identify yourself with? Libertarian Socialist, Anarchist, Swing

Comments: Maybe a less American style thread next time.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Bards, you could have just put down one " for that whole bold part. It would have saved you time.




War and Security (specific wars, terrorism, as well as a general view of armed forces and its theories):

No more wars. Bring most troops home from everywhere...not just Iraq.





Civil Rights (marriage, abortion, age of consent, voting, etc.):

Religion should be separate from the laws, for the most part. Common stuff like "killing", "rape", etc. should, of course, be illegal.

Age of consent should stay at 18. Maturity is much too variable to pin it lower or higher.

Voting should have an aptitude test. If you pass, you get to vote. If you fail, you don't vote.





Economic Issues (free trade/protectionism, taxes, etc.):

Freer trade, but not completely free trade. Excise taxes, government revenue, and tariffs are just fine. No more Income taxes and those absurdly long lists of tax/fees on cell phone and internet service bills.




Immigration and Foreign Relations (international groups, diplomacy, immigration legislation, etc.):

Stronger regulation on immigration. Kill the "free money for immigrant" programs. Cut out some of the bureaucracy involved with becoming a citizen to lessen the time of naturalization. With the massive amount of money and troops that are now home (because I want them home), we can better patrol and secure our borders.




Other Issues You Find Important:

We should abolish lots of "cabinet programs". We need to start with the immediate dissolution of the DEA.

We should make MJ legal and a few other drugs. We should make anabolic steroids legal and leave it up to the doctors to decide. We should increase funding for NASA by about 5 times. The FAAs funding should be increased by about $1 billion and the programs continue to be refined/streamlined. We should "socialize" our communication infrastructure a little more than it is now. That sounds bad, but it's not. We need the government to either offer very large tax incentives for ISPs to expand the fiber and wireless infrastructure, or we need the government to build it for us (like Japan). It is "expanding" much too slow.

What country are you citizen of/do you live in?

I live in U.S. Oklahoma in Oklahoma City.


Also, if any of you are ever going to be in "town", let me know and I'll take time off to hang out, fo reals.





What political ideology do you identify yourself with?

I am leaning towards libertarian recently. I've taken a few of those internet political tests (some good, some bad) and it says I lean libertarian, but only slightly. Libertarians are really just the neo-republicans.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Maybe a less American style thread next time.

Out of the topics Bardock raised, which ones don't apply to UK?

Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
Out of the topics Bardock raised, which ones don't apply to UK? I never said a more UK style thread.

A thread that's more definitive with issues, than relevant to the US.

The questions seemed to ask are you a conservative or a liberal ime.

ime: in my eyes

Originally posted by Bardock42



War and Security (specific wars, terrorism, as well as a general view of armed forces and its theories):

The US military should NEVER be used preemptively. It should only be used for defense of our country and our allies.


Civil Rights (marriage, abortion, age of consent, voting, etc.):

I oppose the right for anyone to legally marry. Personal view of marriage is a matter of personal choice.
I am pro choice on abortion
Age of consent should be puberty, as it is in nature
Anyone that can read should be able to vote, there should be no age restrictions

Economic Issues (free trade/protectionism, taxes, etc.):

Free trade should be allowed but there should be tax exemptions for companies that keep operations in the country and tax penalties for those that don't. Taxes are a necessary evil. Society cannot exist without them

Immigration and Foreign Relations (international groups, diplomacy, immigration legislation, etc.):

Legal immigration should be allowed on a limited basis

Other Issues You Find Important:

I support gun rights, capital punishment where there is hard physical evidence. I think more needs to be done to protect the environment and endangered species. Not enough is being done to address global warming.

What country are you citizen of/do you live in?

USA

What political ideology do you identify yourself with?

Independant. Polital parties should be abolished, they are corrupt money machines and dumb the electorate down to vote for parties rather than people.

Comments:

Originally posted by lord xyz
I never said a more UK style thread.

A thread that's more definitive with issues, than relevant to the US.

The questions seemed to ask are you a conservative or a liberal ime.

ime: in my eyes A thread that is more about specific issues, woul probably favour the US more. This is about general political stances. And so far not two have been alike and none have been either liberal or conservative as the US defines it.

I think the issues are mostly relevant to all first world countries and probably to most others as well.

War and Security (specific wars, terrorism, as well as a general view of armed forces and its theories):

Middle East/South Asia: My country currently has forces in this region, in Afghanistan. While I think there is a role for Canada and NATO as a whole in the fight against international Jihadi Terrorism, I don't think our role is a very effective or intelligent one. To sell the war to our nation, our politicians needed to sell it as rebuilding Afghanistan, with schools, hospitals, etc. This is not a useful purpose for our military force, and my neighbors, who have decided to defend my freedom do NOT deserve to lose their life so that some Afghan girl can go to school. It is the responsibility of the Afghans to give their lives for freedom, if they so wish. If NATO countries want to encourage the freedom of Afghan girls, INVEST IN THE NATION'S INFRASTRUCTURE!

North Africa: Potentially the next Jihadi hot spot. Al Qaeda intends to launch attacks against Europe from Tunisia and Morocco. Intelligence forces should be highly concerned with groups like The Salafist Group for Prayer and War (the initial name of Al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghrab).

The rest of Africa: Much is contained to local conflict and warlordism. However, these power vacuums have proven a breeding ground for groups who strike outside their borders, often drawing several African nations into a single conflict zone. Unlikely that these conflicts pose a threat for westerners who do not live in the nations themselves, though it has been seen in Sudan (technically a North African Arab nation), and one must watch Somalia closely, that international terrorists intent of striking the west can find sanctuary in these nations.

Russia: The west needs to engage them as a powerful ally. They are only a security threat because NATO nations are interested in reducing its power internationally. Because of this, a new cabal of anti-american allies is forming, drawing together Putin, Ahmadeenajad, and Chavez.

China: Though they might surpass America in economic might, their army is relatively obsolete and highly immobile. They will need to engage in war soon for oil resources, likely in the 'stans. They have major investment in some of the oil rich areas of Africa, which may spur proxy conflict with Western nations as the supply runs out.

South America: Currently experiencing a revival of socialism. They rhetorically oppose America, though I feel they are more threatened than a threat. Gangs immigrating through mexico, and the drug trade are probably the largest security threats here.

Israel: The most internationally de-stabalizing nation on the planet. They risk drawing America into a full out war on the Muslim world with their constant threatening rhetoric and behaviour against Iran. If Iran were to attack Israel, that would be one thing. However, Israel has and is making continuing threats against Iran, and many military analysists fear they will preemptively strike its nuclear sites. Due to America's unwavering support for Israel, it is predictable that they would be involved in another war of aggression, this time with Iran AND with the involvement of Israel....

Al Qaeda: The money spent on any bullet or bomb used to kill an Al Qaeda soldier would be better spent training Farsi, Urdu, Pashtun and Arabic speakers to infiltrate these organizations. I am 100% in favor of military action intent on killing Al Qaeda operatives, I am just 100% positive that intelligence operations will be more successful and have far less lasting consequences.

Domestic: Canada does not protect its borders, nor does it properly fund its military. Our soldiers are some of the best trained in the world, yet they are consistently let down by a lack of interest from the voting public.

Civil Rights (marriage, abortion, age of consent, voting, etc.):

Mostly I am for the government not being involved with civil rights until it comes to their protection. I don't support any government involvement in marriage (potentially including age of consent).

Abortion I view as morally wrong, though I am in favor of choice for a woman. I would support any woman I impregnate's choice, and at this point in my life would be in favor of not having a child. The reason it should be legal has nothing to do with right or wrong, but the simple fact that it will be done anyways and it causes much more damage to society while it is illegal.

Canada largely has few civil rights problems, and even our "war on drugs" or "racist prison complex" don't come close to the problems in the states, so just a passing mention probably will suffice. Our police force has a problem with abusing Natives, and the federal police (RCMP) have problems with highly aggressive tactics, as apparently Canada has no entrapment laws.

Economic Issues (free trade/protectionism, taxes, etc.):

Free trade is a wonderful ideal which should be striven for, however, issues of currency inequities between nations, corporate protectionism, and gross deregularization have largely crippled capitalism internationally and domestically.

I was just talking about this the other day. While I support free trade and am largely against nationalization of resources, Canada currently sits on top of more oil than Saudi Arabia and a good portion of the world's fresh water. We appear to have no policy, aside from "Come and get it, American companies". Given the realities of the world, some nationalization with specific end goals of not creating droughts in either resource should be considered. Capitalism can have negative effects that can be mediated without gross government involvement. Ideally, we could establish a free economy that, under its own power, supplies resources in a beneficial way to people.

Immigration and Foreign Relations (international groups, diplomacy, immigration legislation, etc.):

We need you, please come!

Canada has major problems with not recognizing the academic achievements of immigrants. There is the wonderful story of the Woman who worked on the Chinese space program immigrating to Canada, only to find a job as a hamburger flipper on the Toronto subway.

We should have and attempt diplomatic relations with all nations. Quebec should no longer have its own international delegations or immigration rights (or all provinces should have unique immigration rights, like quebec, though I still believe only the Federal government should have representatives abroad ).

Other Issues You Find Important:

Education reform is the most important thing we can do to improve the world.

What country are you citizen of/do you live in?

Canada

The one North of the states

What political ideology do you identify yourself with?

in a left right distinction: Conservative

On the political diamond: Libertarian

I hope that I appear a pragmatist before either of those, as I prefer demonstrable results to ideologically motivated decisions.

I consider myself an non-revolutionary Technocrat (in the actual technocratic movement, there are many who feel a revolution after the downfall of capitalism is needed to fully implement technocratic change, I happen to believe capitalism is the mechanism through which technology can be implemented to its fullest, as the market provides the incentive to invest into technological and efficient solutions).

My political philosophy is rooted in individualist anarchy

Comments

interesting, lots of stuff to argue about in this thread

Originally posted by lord xyz
I never said a more UK style thread.

A thread that's more definitive with issues, than relevant to the US.

The questions seemed to ask are you a conservative or a liberal ime.

ime: in my eyes

First of all, do you know what the word 'definitive' means? The topics raised cover most of the prominent political issues in the developed world, so although they are not totally exclusive, they are generally definitive. Also, they're not US specific; countries all over Europe and Asia debate these issues.

Originally posted by Bardock42
A thread that is more about specific issues, woul probably favour the US more. This is about general political stances. And so far not two have been alike and none have been either liberal or conservative as the US defines it.

I think the issues are mostly relevant to all first world countries and probably to most others as well. It's very first world, and I was thinking of a more in depth questionnaire about issues.

Originally posted by lord xyz
It's very first world, and I was thinking of a more in depth questionnaire about issues. Okay, well, why don't you answer the additional question of "What's your personal opinion on the current trade policies of the Chavez government in relation to Chinese development across the last century". We others will just stick with general and major political questions the developed world deals with, but you have a ball.

War and Security (specific wars, terrorism, as well as a general view of armed forces and its theories):
Really, it depends on the situation however sometimes wars can be justified and necessary. Standing Armies can be a dangerous thing- perhaps the biggest block to freedom in any so called democracy. Citizen Armies FTW.

Civil Rights (marriage, abortion, age of consent, voting, etc.):
Marriage, personally I believe a marriage is between a man and a woman, however this is a personal view and other people should have the right to marry whoever they want or as many people as they want provided noone is forced to marry against their will.
Abortion, personally I believe a human being is a human being from the moment of conception and deserves all its human rights from that point onward. However, this is again a matter of faith thus I have no right to force upon other people my beliefs concerning abortion until such a time as their is greater consensus on the issue amongst the medical society.
Age of Consent, it fluctuates over time, I don't see it as being a concrete issue to the point that I don't really care that much...
Voting, everyone should but then again voting does not equal democracy..(Carrots and Sticks everyone)
Economic Issues (free trade/protectionism, taxes, etc.):
Limited trade restrictions are desirable but then again their needs to be protection against abuse of the system...min wage is very important...
Immigration and Foreign Relations (international groups, diplomacy, immigration legislation, etc.):
We're all in this together!
Other Issues You Find Important:
An end to hereditary Heads of State. There shouldn't be a monarch in this day in age- any other country where the only people eligable to be King/Queen are White, Anglican members of a limited family would be called despotism- even if the power of that Head of State was limited.
What country are you citizen of/do you live in?
UKofGB
What political ideology do you identify yourself with?
I don't...I'm all over the place...I like to think of myself as a "Render unto Caesar" Democrat...(Not the US Party Democrat- an actual Democrat who believes that Democracy (Power in the hands of the Many) is the best form of government.)

Originally posted by Bardock42
Okay, well, why don't you answer the additional question of "What's your personal opinion on the current trade policies of the Chavez government in relation to Chinese development across the last century". We others will just stick with general and major political questions the developed world deals with, but you have a ball. I'm not seeing the connection between Chavez and Chinese development across the last century.

Originally posted by lord xyz
I'm not seeing the connection between Chavez and Chinese development across the last century.

China has expanded at an incredible rate, gobbling up all of its domestic oil.

Chavez exports a large amount of his oil to America, but is becoming more buddy buddy with Arab/South Asian oil producers and Russia, as the uni-polar Amero-centric world begins to break down.

As China expands and demands more oil, Chavez will be pulled by two competing centers of global power. During the cold war, this type of thing resulted in proxy wars fought between America and Russia, in the modern context, Chavez must navigate between both of the super-powers to avoid either of them deciding that Venezuela is too important to their national interests, and deploying some degree of a military presence to ensure their continued oil supply.

War and Security (specific wars, terrorism, as well as a general view of armed forces and its theories):
In a ideal world war wouldnt be necessary but unfortunately the world isnt a ideal place. The current wars America are engaged in I would doubt the validity of but at the same time I do believe islamic extremism needs to be counter balanced though I dont for one second believe the rhetoric and stuff the american people where spoon fed in order to vote favourably for the war cause it was about money and oil. If said administration was all that concerned you would be in alot of other places and you would have enjoyed more european support. Just unfortunate most of europe didnt see eye to eye with bush but tony did because tony was a idealist and would have went in anyway. Oh yea afghanistan being the doorway to russia and major strategic importance has nothing to do with it either for the brits:P

Civil Rights (marriage, abortion, age of consent, voting, etc.):
- All adults should be entitled to vote and have all the rights of any other citizen in there nation state regardless of gender, creed, race and religion
- Women should have the right to decide on abortion though having said that care should be taken about at what stage a foetus can only be aborted at, for example being very developed would mean thats a little human and quite unconscionable
- Age of consent varies from country to country and to be honest isnt something I think about...I havent been with any minors and I lost my virginity below the age of consent in the UK anyway just like probably everyone else. I think this will be adhered to or ignored depending on the persons involved and the situation. hmm actually on proof read of this I just realised this may seem decadent and immoral to some lol. My only rebundle is I dont think its really that big of a deal between two consenting adults, and that waiting for marriage is a choice you are entitled to but so also is outside of marriage and in my own opinion the waiting for marriage thing is obsolete and quite dated and has very little standing in most liberal thinking societies bar extremist or fundamentalists of some sort which saddens me all the more when you see women spout such things for they sure as hell arent looking after women's rights.

Economic Issues (free trade/protectionism, taxes, etc.):
I would be against protectionism like most people outside the USA because it wouldnt be good for europe but before you think about european self interest you should first realise that works both ways, no country is self sufficient well not entirely and protectionism wouldnt benefit any parties involved in trade agreements, no on the contrary it would encourage *** for tat tariff wars

Immigration and Foreign Relations (international groups, diplomacy, immigration legislation, etc.):
Recently Northern Ireland has had to get used to immigration as in alot of polish coming to northern ireland and I have to say I see no problem with it..Some come work for a while and go home while some stay and in effect become northern irish citizens, UK citizens or whatever you wish to associate yourself with. Northern ireland has its own complex issues lol.

Other Issues You Find Important:

What country are you citizen of/do you live in?
Northern Ireland. UK
What political ideology do you identify yourself with?
Mostly liberal but I could probably be considered conservative or right wing on some issues. Yea quite the contradiction.

Originally posted by Admiral Akbar


Awesome!

Originally posted by Bardock42
Other Issues You Find Important:

On the whole a lot of bureaucracy and government spending has to be cut. NASA for example should not be so heavily funded for no apparent reason.

I agree...however, they are underfunded and have been since that jerk Nixon. Some of the world's best or precursor technologies came from the space race. We should drastically reduce spending on some programs and even dissolve others. We should then poor just a little bit of money in scientific and technology development. NASA and communications are the two I had in mind.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Awesome!



I agree...however, they are underfunded and have been since that jerk Nixon. Some of the world's best or precursor technologies came from the space race. We should drastically reduce spending on some programs and even dissolve others. We should then poor just a little bit of money in scientific and technology development. NASA and communications are the two I had in mind. I'm sorry but 17 billion dollars a month for the fun of thinking maybe the US will be the first to put a man on Mars is stupid. Private endeavors already are put forward, and it will be the way to go. And for the people who think I just get my political issues and opinions from Penn and Teller I say....well....yeah, but **** you people!

Originally posted by Bardock42
I'm sorry but 17 billion dollars a month for the fun of thinking maybe the US will be the first to put a man on Mars is stupid. Private endeavors already are put forward, and it will be the way to go. And for the people who think I just get my political issues and opinions from Penn and Teller I say....well....yeah, but **** you people!

very few scientists at nasa have any interest in putting people on mars

I don't know of any private robotic landing missions. Virgin wants to make money off of launching people just out of the atmosphere, not explore the origins of the universe

Originally posted by Bardock42
I'm sorry but 17 billion dollars a month for the fun of thinking maybe the US will be the first to put a man on Mars is stupid. Private endeavors already are put forward, and it will be the way to go. And for the people who think I just get my political issues and opinions from Penn and Teller I say....well....yeah, but **** you people!

Where are you getting your numbers, bardie?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_budget


And, no, private endeavors are absurdly far and away from being able to match even the currently underfunded NASA program. If you actually knew what you were talking about in this matter, you'd know that.



Edit- I admit that I am not thinking objectively about this. My former career path selection was physics with the eventual hope of working at NASA. (They paid better than most Professorships.)

Originally posted by dadudemon
Where are you getting your numbers, bardie?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_budget


And, no, private endeavors are absurdly far and away from being able to match even the currently underfunded NASA program. If you actually knew what you were talking about in this matter, you'd know that.



Edit- I admit that I am not thinking objectively about this. My former career path selection was physics with the eventual hope of working at NASA. (They paid better than most Professorships.) ...exactly there. 17 billion dollars, right?

And insanely far away means what in your terms? What is it even that you are wishing for? Do you want a Station on Mars, what is it that NASA is close to and gets 17 billion Dollars for? Oh, and there are a few plans for certain projects http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_spaceflight#Private_orbital_spaceflight.2C_space_stations and http://www.virgingalactic.com/

And though I agree it will take some time (just like NASA will take a lot more time and a lot more money), it is pretty apparent that it is what the future will hold.


Don't get me wrong, NASA is much better than some other Government shit, but it's still part of the problem.

Oh ****, you are right, I accidentally said "per month" I meant per year. My bad.

Originally posted by Bardock42
...exactly there. 17 billion dollars, right?

And insanely far away means what in your terms? What is it even that you are wishing for? Do you want a Station on Mars, what is it that NASA is close to and gets 17 billion Dollars for? Oh, and there are a few plans for certain projects http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_spaceflight#Private_orbital_spaceflight.2C_space_stations and http://www.virgingalactic.com/

And though I agree it will take some time (just like NASA will take a lot more time and a lot more money), it is pretty apparent that it is what the future will hold.


Don't get me wrong, NASA is much better than some other Government shit, but it's still part of the problem.

Oh ****, you are right, I accidentally said "per month" I meant per year. My bad.

Don't have time...very busy at work.

cool beans on admitting your error. I apologize for being a smartass about it.

do some researching on nasa programs...compare them to civilian programs. there's your answer.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Don't have time...very busy at work.

cool beans on admitting your error. I apologize for being a smartass about it.

do some researching on nasa programs...compare them to civilian programs. there's your answer. What am I comparing?

Again, what is it you want NASA to do?

-exploratory robotic lander missions

-long range stellar probes

-observational satellites

I'm sure the profit motive will do some great things for space and our knowledge of such, however, private industry is not as interested in the basic, less applied side of research, where the real ground work for breakthroughs is done.

I think it is like the military in a lot of ways. Sure, there are probably parts that can be privatized, but the overall service of a space program is not to generate profit (though, I'd way rather have a research-industrial complex than a military or prison-industrial one) and honestly, unless you propose restricting access to research via financial access, I can't see how something like the Mars rover mission could possibly generate profit. The rovers are certainly not looking for stuff to mine or for habitable locations for real estate.

Originally posted by inimalist
-exploratory robotic lander missions

-long range stellar probes

-observational satellites

I'm sure the profit motive will do some great things for space and our knowledge of such, however, private industry is not as interested in the basic, less applied side of research, where the real ground work for breakthroughs is done.

I think it is like the military in a lot of ways. Sure, there are probably parts that can be privatized, but the overall service of a space program is not to generate profit (though, I'd way rather have a research-industrial complex than a military or prison-industrial one) and honestly, unless you propose restricting access to research via financial access, I can't see how something like the Mars rover mission could possibly generate profit. The rovers are certainly not looking for stuff to mine or for habitable locations for real estate. Well, what are the things you think the public should pay 17 billion per year for and why. What advantages will it have. And do you think that the public should be taxed to give the government power over comparatively ineffective scientific research. Why 17 billion for Bureacratized Space Exploration...why not instead for...I don't know Medical Research? Or something else?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Well, what are the things you think the public should pay 17 billion per year for and why. What advantages will it have. And do you think that the public should be taxed to give the government power over comparatively ineffective scientific research. Why 17 billion for Bureacratized Space Exploration...why not instead for...I don't know Medical Research? Or something else?

I'm sure most tax dollars could be better spent in general, and that most government programs could be run more efficiently.

Even in things like medical research, it is only that more applied and profit motivated research that is done by private companies. I'm not trying to put it down, I'm more trying to point out that basic, non-applied research is at least as important, though the risk is it wont pan out or that any applied benefit wont be seen for years.

The advantage of having a space program vs not having one or relying on corporations for research is, mainly, that research that wouldn't otherwise be done is getting done, not to mention there is always an extra layer of potential bias in research done for profit motive. If you don't feel there is any intrinsic benefit to the human race in knowing the chemical composition of the surface dust on Mars, I'm probably not going to be able to sell it to you. However, inter-planetary commerce will depend upon that research, and while Virgin is making a fleet of 747s on steroids, they don't seem to be invested in the base level research that necessarily underpins their ability to profit from space travel.

I don't know where you get the idea that NASA does comparatively ineffective research. They are global leaders in space, climate, geographical and many other types of science. If you want my personal beliefs about what should be done with their budget, I'd say cut all manned space flights, focus on miniaturization, prevent the continued decay of the Hubble telescope and other orbiting instruments.

lol, why space over medicine, with how little of a percentage science funding makes up, why not both. I'm sure the American government doesn't need 600 new tanks this year, 599 might do.

Originally posted by inimalist
I'm sure most tax dollars could be better spent in general, and that most government programs could be run more efficiently.

Even in things like medical research, it is only that more applied and profit motivated research that is done by private companies. I'm not trying to put it down, I'm more trying to point out that basic, non-applied research is at least as important, though the risk is it wont pan out or that any applied benefit wont be seen for years.

The advantage of having a space program vs not having one or relying on corporations for research is, mainly, that research that wouldn't otherwise be done is getting done, not to mention there is always an extra layer of potential bias in research done for profit motive. If you don't feel there is any intrinsic benefit to the human race in knowing the chemical composition of the surface dust on Mars, I'm probably not going to be able to sell it to you. However, inter-planetary commerce will depend upon that research, and while Virgin is making a fleet of 747s on steroids, they don't seem to be invested in the base level research that necessarily underpins their ability to profit from space travel.

I don't know where you get the idea that NASA does comparatively ineffective research. They are global leaders in space, climate, geographical and many other types of science. If you want my personal beliefs about what should be done with their budget, I'd say cut all manned space flights, focus on miniaturization, prevent the continued decay of the Hubble telescope and other orbiting instruments.

lol, why space over medicine, with how little of a percentage science funding makes up, why not both. I'm sure the American government doesn't need 600 new tanks this year, 599 might do.

Well, my only problem with NASA is that it is a) over funded and b) a government program. I certainly prefer it to many others, but at the time of writing it was the only I could think of that I knew is splittered all over the country.

I agree that I'd rather have the money spend on NASA's scientific research than ridiculous amounts of Military funding (I addressed that already in my post), but I don't agree with the reasoning "well at least it is not as shit as other programs".

It has done good, but we don't really know what the 500 billion it cost over the years could have achieved in private hands...

And just like private markets have their bias, so does the government. They arbitrarily choose what to spend money on, which isn't theirs. And maybe it might take longer, but once the private markets will start to care for the profit they might make (and there are many ways in inter planetary travel) it will work faster and better and safer and cheaper.

we just saw what 700b did in private hands...

I'm sure industry could have done much of what NASA did, however, I can't fathom a reason why they would have designed a Mars rover mission. It would be a hemorrhage of funds, and their shareholders would likely pursue more applied space research (so, maybe there is commercial tourism to the moon instead of the ISS) if they pursued space research at all (as 500b in the private sector can be spent on whatever the private sector wants, many things are more profitable than space travel).

On an issue like medicine, I think your argument holds a lot of water. There is money to be made curing old people's erectile dysfunction, so the private sector took care of it. I don't think there is that incentive for private industry with space, nor do I think that space will become any more profitable of an investment without government funded basic research.

Science funding is something I feel could be one of the few valid uses of government power. I'd gladly accept something that was comparable, but I honestly don't see private industry as being suited to promote open, unbiased, basic level research.

EDIT: do you think America would have put people on the moon were it not for the federal government?

Originally posted by inimalist
we just saw what 700b did in private hands...

I'm sure industry could have done much of what NASA did, however, I can't fathom a reason why they would have designed a Mars rover mission. It would be a hemorrhage of funds, and their shareholders would likely pursue more applied space research (so, maybe there is commercial tourism to the moon instead of the ISS) if they pursued space research at all (as 500b in the private sector can be spent on whatever the private sector wants, many things are more profitable than space travel).

On an issue like medicine, I think your argument holds a lot of water. There is money to be made curing old people's erectile dysfunction, so the private sector took care of it. I don't think there is that incentive for private industry with space, nor do I think that space will become any more profitable of an investment without government funded basic research.

Science funding is something I feel could be one of the few valid uses of government power. I'd gladly accept something that was comparable, but I honestly don't see private industry as being suited to promote open, unbiased, basic level research.

EDIT: do you think America would have put people on the moon were it not for the federal government? Well I guess we just disagree on that point then. And it's also not so much that I don't see the use of the research they do, I very much enjoy the Science Fiction feel of NASA, I just, above that, believe that even if I think that the research is awesome and should be funded I don't think that everyone should be made to pay for it. I agree with you that if you need to necessarily spend government money on something you might as well do it on scientific research, but that gives government such a powerful position, that I am not really all that comfortable with. Yeah, private research is biased to search for profit, but government research is biased just as much and not for profit, but for random political whims.


And true, good point about 500 billion in private hands being spend however they want. Now, I love non stick pans as much as the next, but a cure for cancer or AIDS, I think I'd value more (also, might be more profitable, I'd imagine).


And, no, they probably wouldn't have.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Well I guess we just disagree on that point then. And it's also not so much that I don't see the use of the research they do, I very much enjoy the Science Fiction feel of NASA, I just, above that, believe that even if I think that the research is awesome and should be funded I don't think that everyone should be made to pay for it. I agree with you that if you need to necessarily spend government money on something you might as well do it on scientific research, but that gives government such a powerful position, that I am not really all that comfortable with. Yeah, private research is biased to search for profit, but government research is biased just as much and not for profit, but for random political whims.


And true, good point about 500 billion in private hands being spend however they want. Now, I love non stick pans as much as the next, but a cure for cancer or AIDS, I think I'd value more (also, might be more profitable, I'd imagine).

unfortunately AIDS is a little trickier than non-stick pans

no, I get your point. I'd love a solution where all research was paid for voluntarily, and had less bias, and was still directed toward basic research.

You mentioned a while back something about government being the size of Jupiter and it being no wonder that they are necessary for some things. This probably falls into that category. Government is sort of the only option for basic and non-profit based research, because they allocated to themselves the power to be the funding agency.

I can cite numerous example of the bias you are talking about, the current American administration's stance on climate change being one of the most salient, so I'll give you that too. I guess my point is that, given there are few, in any, other options, government is necessary at this moment for space research.

Originally posted by Bardock42
And, no, they probably wouldn't have.

EDIT: win=me

Originally posted by inimalist
unfortunately AIDS is a little trickier than non-stick pans

no, I get your point. I'd love a solution where all research was paid for voluntarily, and had less bias, and was still directed toward basic research.

You mentioned a while back something about government being the size of Jupiter and it being no wonder that they are necessary for some things. This probably falls into that category. Government is sort of the only option for basic and non-profit based research, because they allocated to themselves the power to be the funding agency.

I can cite numerous example of the bias you are talking about, the current American administration's stance on climate change being one of the most salient, so I'll give you that too. I guess my point is that, given there are few, in any, other options, government is necessary at this moment for space research.

EDIT: win=me

Well, I might even agree that the government is necessary for the kind of research you are talking about (I am not 100%, I don't know the specifics, or am absolutely informed on private ventures into the area), but my point is more "so what"? Lets say the research can only be done by the government, what we need to discuss then (as you obviously agree, having talked about some of the cuts you think should take place) is do we need the research and do we really want to pay the amount we have to pay (we, obviously referring to Americans, since I don't pay shit, I just profit). And on that I am not sure. I know there is research done privately into getting to the ISS, that's something I guess.


Re: "Edit:" if you count man on the moon as the ultimate pinnacle of human achievement, worthy of the rather large price tag.

Continue our political discussion here. We left off with my mentioning lobbyists and corrupt contracting.

Originally posted by Bardock42
War and Security (specific wars, terrorism, as well as a general view of armed forces and its theories):

Civil Rights (marriage, abortion, age of consent, voting, etc.):

Economic Issues (free trade/protectionism, taxes, etc.):

Immigration and Foreign Relations (international groups, diplomacy, immigration legislation, etc.):

Other Issues You Find Important:

What country are you a citizen of/do you live in?

What political ideology do you identify yourself with?

Comments:

War and Secrity: How much is too much and how much is not enough? As a nation the US sticks it's fingers into so many pies that it has to spend trillions of dollars on defense so the pie doesn't come back to bite us in the ass. As it stands in America these days, we have what can logically be called the illusion of security. This isn't to say that there aren't groups of people out there that intend us harm, it's meant to incite the notion that not everyone out there means us harm...and not everyone out there that means us harm are not partially justified in that ideology. To many americans, especially those who live in the "real America", that sounds like I'm blaming America first rather than just hating the "other side" for simply being the other side. But I think that asking someone why they hate me is a pretty significant step towards understanding why the hate me. (As long as it's not France)

Civil Rights: I doubt I have to explain my position on this topic. Abuse is abuse and many want to reconcile the difference with the reality. A lot of people want to say that gay rights are a first step onto a slippery slope where the abuse of minors, women, multiple people and animals is easily compared. This week a huge number of minorities walked into the voting booth, knowing that their rights were at one time subject to the superstitions, paranoia and hatered of another group and pulled the proverbial lever in favor of doing exactly the same to another group; a group about which they know nothing beyond the stereotypes to which they adhere most likely out of a sheer ignorance that group that likely exists in their lives. Beyond that topic, I fear that this election was not the huge step forward for African Americans that they desperately want to wish it was. If that had been the case then Obama's ethnicity would not have allowed the republicans the opportunity to make the associations they did during the campaign and this election would not be the "historic" deal it has been made out to be. I don't want to cast a negative outlook on an election that marked a significant turning point, but I am also forced to accept the reality that it is also reaffirming an old and still very real notion. But, the media is selling it way over market value.

Immigration and Foreign Relations: End this useless and totally economic-based war, bring our troops home and simply ask why they hate us. Once we do that, we can look at the situation and decide what we can do, what we should do and what we should be willing to do. Oh, and take Frau Palin of the line so that we don't have to worry that some godless Russian terrorist can sneak into our country and poison our toys and blow up congress by pulling the "What's that behind you!?" tactic

Other Issues I find important: Don't allow the oil industry to sell us green, clean technology as though it weren't the reason a solution hasn't already been found and that they aren't part of the reason we need it.

What country: America

What ideology: liberal, socialist, communist, elitist, f*gg*t who reads a book before I burn it to heat the home where I keep the guns I won't have after January.

Comments: Non-God save Emperor/Messiah Barack Obama the First and thank you to the lizard people who made this possible.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I'm sorry but 17 billion dollars a month for the fun of thinking maybe the US will be the first to put a man on Mars is stupid. Private endeavors already are put forward, and it will be the way to go.

On one hand I disagree and on another I agree. On the disagree side, I am not looking forward to renaming Mars Planet Starbucks. On the agree side, I realize that government, public spending is no less bought or sold by a corrupt political machine that will sell Terry Schaivo's remains to the highest bidder. But, at least with public funding, we're served by the illusion of common well-being and progress. Also, there is so little regulation of "private" endeavors that the betterment of everyone isn't served. But we're both familiar with our disagreement over the free, self regulating market dillusion.

War and Security: Give up on Osama, and let's not get involved in any more wars unless we're forced to. WW2 should've been the last American war.

Civil Rights: I think we're doing good; we have a black president-elect.

Immigration and Foreign Relations: I'll support one that isn't so blatantly aimed at Hispanics.

Other Issues I find important: Legalize weed.

What country: US

What ideology: The center, and I really love capitalism.

Comments: The US always needs an enemy, whether its Southern Rebels, Krauts, Japs, Commies, or Arabs. We're like a damn comicbook superhero; a new villain every week. This century, let's try to not attract any more "others".

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
War and Security: Give up on Osama,

Other Issues I find important: Legalize weed.



Give up on what? I'm sorry, I don't speak illegal?

Totally on board with legalizing weed. Are you a godless, terrorist illegal?

Originally posted by Devil King
On one hand I disagree and on another I agree. On the disagree side, I am not looking forward to renaming Mars Planet Starbucks. On the agree side, I realize that government, public spending is no less bought or sold by a corrupt political machine that will sell Terry Schaivo's remains to the highest bidder. But, at least with public funding, we're served by the illusion of common well-being and progress. Also, there is so little regulation of "private" endeavors that the betterment of everyone isn't served. But we're both familiar with our disagreement over the free, self regulating market dillusion.

Dude...how long do you think it will be after the US and NASA made space travel affordable and a real possibility that corporations (without having invested anything), will take what the public funding has brought and do exactly what they would have done if they had to have paid for it themselves? Are we to assume that because of the strong anti-corporation stance the US have shown over the last hundred years?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Dude...how long do you think it will be after the US and NASA made space travel affordable and a real possibility that corporations (without having invested anything), will take what the public funding has brought and do exactly what they would have done if they had to have paid for it themselves? Are we to assume that because of the strong anti-corporation stance the US have shown over the last hundred years?

That's why on one hand I agree.

damn, yall deep into this shit. you know all we really care about is whether or not we gonna get our restitution checks. Oh wait, i'm not black, neither are most of you. Damn, i should really stop speaking for the majority. It never ends well.

War and Security (specific wars, terrorism, as well as a general view of armed forces and its theories):
Military action should be a last resort when diplomacy has comprehensively failed. It should only be used in defense of one's nation and/or prevention of humanitarian catastrophe/crimes against humanity.

Terrorism as it exists today is in my opinion in part a product of not adhering to the above philosophy. Ideological and economically based interventionism in Middle Eastern nations generally due to the vast oil reserves in part spawned the likes of the Islamic Republic, Taleban and Al Qaeda. Such non-traditional combatants are unlikely to be defeated by traditional military might; and a more holistic approach needs to be taken. Like domestic crime; while admittedly a component may simply be a result of some irredeemable individuals, in (perhaps large) part those engaged in such activity are a result of social and economic inequality.

I favor multilateralism and am of the opinion that invasion of a sovereign territory by a country or countries should be accompanied by some form of international mandate or consensus.

Build-up of military forces to excessive levels is a relative waste of money; that could be better spent.

Civil Rights (marriage, abortion, age of consent, voting, etc.):
I've no opinion on marriage since I largely consider it an outdated institution; however the same civil/legal privileges enjoyed by married couples should be extended to people in de facto relationships, regardless of sexual orientation. However I've no opposition to homosexual marriage.

Abortion should be legal, and a woman should have the right to choose to the point prior to the development of nociception, which by current literature is late second term iirc. Procedures should only be performed beyond this point to protect the life and physical health of the pregnant woman.

The age of consent and voting age are in my opinion suitable at 16 and 18 respectively.

Economic Issues (free trade/protectionism, taxes, etc.):
I am for free trade, but I don't think that this need be mutually exclusive to fairer trade, which I'd also support. Developed nations have largely been incredibly hypocritical in the espousing of free trade while doling out agricultural subsidies which essentially encourage and reward inefficiency instead of innovation.

I believe that while the wealthy pay more than their share of taxation; they are less detrimentally affected in doing so - ergo a progressive taxation is the most (subjectively) fair in my opinion. Trickle-down economics has largely remained unproven, while it's my belief that fiscally responsible but socially progressive government can provide a fair and comfortable standard of living for everyone while also delivering prosperity and the freedom to aspire and excel as an individual.

Immigration and Foreign Relations (international groups, diplomacy, immigration legislation, etc.):
As noted above I believe that multilateralism is key to tackling the issues that confront the globe. UNSC Veto rights should be removed from the WWII powers.

Nations should welcome immigration, it replenishes both skilled and unskilled labour forces; however immigrants should be actively encouraged to integrate into the destination society - this is a two-way street though; citizens should try to provide an inclusive environment and engage positively with migrants. This does not imply that immigrants should divest themselves of cultural identity.

Other Issues You Find Important:
Nations need to invest more into science and innovation.

What country are you citizen of/do you live in?
New Zealand; which has strangely decided to go against the current global trend and just ousted a competent Prime Minister and left-leaning Government in exchange for an investment banker who they'd rather have a beer with.

What political ideology do you identify yourself with?
Probably most aligned with social democracy in terms of ideology; but I think I'd consider myself relatively pragmatic as opposed to a stringent ideological adherent.

Why was the Amero thread closed for being a conspiracy theorist thread? When major news agencies are speaking about the Amero i think it's safe to qualify the topic as relevant.

Bardock42, can I use this thread to ask questions about lies or truths from politicians?

Originally posted by dadudemon
Bardock42, can I use this thread to ask questions about lies or truths from politicians?

From my point of view, that would fit the thread, if discussion can come from it.



Maybe I should do the questionnaire again, I think my political convictions have somewhat changed.

Originally posted by Bardock42
From my point of view, that would fit the thread, if discussion can come from it.



Maybe I should do the questionnaire again, I think my political convictions have somewhat changed.

Sounds good. Do that. I'm genuinely interested to see what's changed about them.


Also, I want to post that crap in here because I just don't want to create a billion different threads everytime a politicians lies. Know what I mean? Seems that one thread would be better suited for that.

War and Security (specific wars, terrorism, as well as a general view of armed forces and its theories):
More people die in the US every day from the failure of our domestic policies than have been killed by any of our supposed "enemies". Don't waste money fighting terrorists when we could put it to better use here.

Civil Rights (marriage, abortion, age of consent, voting, etc.):
Marriage shouldn't be government protected. For tax purposes/whatever, there should be some kind of gender-neutral "linking" that can be filed, under any organization (polygamy, monogamy, anything).

I think embryos should have rights equal to lifeforms with similar capabilities. If its only a few cells, give it the rights of an amoeba or algae. If its late in the pregnancy, treat it more like a cat or dog.

I don't want to claim any kind of arbitrary age of consent, but I don't think any harm would come from starting it at 15 or 16, since that seems to be the international consensus.

Anyone can vote. Oh my, how I wish that we could use aptitude tests, but its just too abusable of a system to put in place.

Economic Issues (free trade/protectionism, taxes, etc.):
I believe in a managed economy, especially internationally. I don't think any good comes from letting capitalism run wild, I think we should have progressive tax rate (higher with higher incomes).

Also, anti-monopoly laws should be much more strictly enforced.

Immigration and Foreign Relations (international groups, diplomacy, immigration legislation, etc.):
Make it much, much easier to legally immigrate. Grant citizenship to any child of immigrants born on US soil.

International law should have more power than it does right now... for instance, the US should not be able to routinely violate UN conventions without fear of punishment.

Other Issues You Find Important:
Universal health care STAT.

Drug legalization.

Government-payed education through university level.

What country are you citizen of/do you live in?
USA

What political ideology do you identify yourself with?
I believe in a lot of socialist policies, economically. Though I find myself being increasingly guided by anarchist principles especially on sociology.

Originally posted by Bardock42


1War and Security (specific wars, terrorism, as well as a general view of armed forces and its theories):
2Civil Rights (marriage, abortion, age of consent, voting, etc.):
3Economic Issues (free trade/protectionism, taxes, etc.):
4Immigration and Foreign Relations (international groups, diplomacy, immigration legislation, etc.):
5Other Issues You Find Important:
6What country are you citizen of/do you live in?
7What political ideology do you identify yourself with?


1 The US military industrial complex. I follow pretty much what President Eisenhower said about the dangers it poses to our own nation. We should have a strong military, but we don't need to be Team America: World Police. Slash the military budget.

2 Equality for homosexuals should not be a matter of public debate or left up to the scrutiny of bigotted neighbors. When there is so much debate over the rights of one segment, clouded by adversaries who equate it to pedophilia, the bible or beastiality, are up for debate, then all our rights become blatantly transparent. Abortion is up to the two people involved in the situation. And there are only two people. Age of consent is arbitrary, but there should certainly be an age where people are held accountable. Voting should be mandatory for every US citizen, and perhaps we should also reconsider which crimes merrit losing that right. Voting is also totally useless if the vast majority of a nations citizens are under educated and ignorant, as in the US.

3 Taxes are totally necessary. If we had a living wage, rather than a minimum wage, people might realize the idea that the American dream is actually the American delusion. Free Trade and Protectionism: turn back the majority of the economic policies of every administration since REagan, including many of the ones brought about by the current one.

4 Foreign Relations and Immigration are pretty much the same thing when you boil it down. Legal immigration only, but that won't happen because immigrants are consumers. Foreign Relations are basically a meeting with the banks we owe money and the banks that owe us money. It's run, basically, by the fine print no one reads.

6 United State of America

7 Benevolent Dicator

Originally posted by inimalist
China has expanded at an incredible rate, gobbling up all of its domestic oil.

Chavez exports a large amount of his oil to America, but is becoming more buddy buddy with Arab/South Asian oil producers and Russia, as the uni-polar Amero-centric world begins to break down.

As China expands and demands more oil, Chavez will be pulled by two competing centers of global power. During the cold war, this type of thing resulted in proxy wars fought between America and Russia, in the modern context, Chavez must navigate between both of the super-powers to avoid either of them deciding that Venezuela is too important to their national interests, and deploying some degree of a military presence to ensure their continued oil supply.

More likely it'll happen over African countries as more oil exploration and development happens there.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Maybe I should do the questionnaire again, I think my political convictions have somewhat changed.

Really, why? What happened to you between now and then?

My views are the same as when I first posted in this thread on Page 2, over 2 years ago.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Really, why? What happened to you between now and then?

My views are the same as when I first posted in this thread on Page 2, over 2 years ago.

Had more time to think, more experiences, good arguments, etc.

Originally posted by jaden101
More likely it'll happen over African countries as more oil exploration and development happens there.

Very true, the reserves there are much more untapped, and not controlled by a strong nationalist leader (way easier to bribe African leaders who don't have a strong hold on power than a revolutionary strongman like Chavez).

This was written, what, 2 years ago? I would have probably answered differently now, though I think the point still stands (although, I know of no Venezuala-China petrolium deals), Latin/South America are really not my areas of expertise, so maybe I shouldn't have said anything in the first place, lol.

BBC does some good audio docs on China in Africa though. Really an interesting issue, and I think a lot more silver lining than most Western observers give it credit for.

Yeah, I just realized how old this thread was.

We need more Welshy.