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Welcome, one and all, to the Blue Marvel respect page.

Here you will descover the AWESOMNESS that is Marvel's newest character.

I begin with a quick rundown of what we know so far.


Real name: Adam Brashear
Identity: Secret


First appearance:Adam: Legend of the Blue Marvel #1

History:

A superhero who existed around in the year 1962 is asked to retire, due to fear and the coming Civil Rights Movement.

Adam was asked by the President of the United States to stand down as the Blue Marvel.

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By illtestimony at 2008-11-07

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By illtestimony at 2008-11-07

The Blue Marvel is needed now, however, due to the appearance of an extremely powerful villain named Anti Man.

Who wades through the Avengers in the present day

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By illtestimony at 2008-11-07

Anti Man mentions the Blue Marvel

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By illtestimony at 2008-11-07

The Blue Marvel vs Anti Man round 1

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By illtestimony at 2008-11-07

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By illtestimony at 2008-11-07

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By illtestimony at 2008-11-07

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By illtestimony at 2008-11-07

Exactly how powerful IS the Master of Might, the Man of Marvels, the Blue Bomber of Battle?

That's what they want to know:


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By illtestimony at 2008-11-07

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Feats:

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By illtestimony at 2008-11-07

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By illtestimony at 2008-11-07

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By illtestimony at 2008-11-07

Lulz at anyone caring about the 'new' Sentry, when he's appeared in only one issue, and nothing has happened except 'OMG he's liek so powerfull'. The only difference is, that he's black, in the hope that it might connect to some readers.

Pathetic really, and not worth my time.

On another note, Adam was a marine, a Magna Cum Loude Graduate of Cornell, and has a Phd in Theoretical Physics.

Not your average colored

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By illtestimony at 2008-11-07

As to keep this thread clear of flame and ignorance,

Please do NOT post unless you have something to ADD.

imageshack is WILIN

Sorry everybody, here go the images in order of comentary


Resignation:

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Anti Man vs The Mighty Avengers

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Blue Marvel vs Anti Man round 1

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"How powerful is He?"

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Not your average Colored

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sweet i always wanted a black top-tier hero, not saying he is but we'll see

Adam was a marine, a Magna Cum Loude Graduate of Cornell, and has a Phd in Theoretical Physics.

Not your average colored

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FINALLY!!!

Now that I've got imageshack under control, this will start to look a whole lot better.

This guy seems interesting. Generic and cliched beyond all reason but still interesting. Has he been in anything but his own comics yet?

Originally posted by zbucsz
sweet i always wanted a black top-tier hero, not saying he is but we'll see

Icon isn't good enough for you? Or the BlackRacer? Or Maxam? Or TANGENT Superman? Or Crispus-fu*king-Allen?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
This guy seems interesting. Generic and cliched beyond all reason but still interesting. Has he been in anything but his own comics yet?



Icon isn't good enough for you? Or the BlackRacer? Or Maxam? Or TANGENT Superman? Or Crispus-fu*king-Allen? ICON hasn't been around for a whiiiile, he'll be making a comeback January though, black racer isn't really a developed character.....only one on the list I can say I really appreciate is tangent superman and even he is supposed to be taken out by superman in a couple of months

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
ICON hasn't been around for a whiiiile, he'll be making a comeback January though, black racer isn't really a developed character.....only one on the list I can say I really appreciate is tangent superman and even he is supposed to be taken out by superman in a couple of months

Zbucsz didn't ask for character development. CrispusAllen was the most powerful being in existance, how is that not enough for you?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Zbucsz didn't ask for character development. CrispusAllen was the most powerful being in existance, how is that not enough for you? cause they arent prominent characters, I dont care how powerful they are unless their character is well developed which is why I cant really get attatched to someone like the black racer

I'm black and i dont really feel the need for any other black characters unless they add something new. I relate to other race heroes just as easily if we are alike in thinking or personality

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
cause they arent prominent characters, I dont care how powerful they are unless their character is well developed which is why I cant really get attatched to someone like the black racer

Allen has been fairly well developed. Anyway this is really just turning into spam.

sorry im not that much into comics and never heard of crispus allen because i read marvel, but now i've been enlightened and he's uber too. On topic did they say anything bout if he has other powers besides +str.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
ICON hasn't been around for a whiiiile, he'll be making a comeback January though, black racer isn't really a developed character.....only one on the list I can say I really appreciate is tangent superman and even he is supposed to be taken out by superman in a couple of months Spawn

Originally posted by HueyFreeman
Spawn thats a good example but there is a dearth of minority top tiers in comics and its nice to see them added

Dude seems cool I'll read his book.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Zbucsz didn't ask for character development. CrispusAllen was the most powerful being in existance, how is that not enough for you?

Black people always complaining.

One of the things I like about the Blue Marvel is that he seems to be his own character, and not a legacy or the rebound recipient of a previous characters powers.

Spawn was cool, but he was also Zombie-esque and disfigured.

I've never heard of the Black Racer, i'll have to do some research.

Originally posted by zbucsz
sorry im not that much into comics and never heard of crispus allen because i read marvel, but now i've been enlightened and he's uber too. On topic did they say anything bout if he has other powers besides +str.

The book didn't mention if he had any energy powers or not.

But Mr G has been holding conversations at the Rama, so there is this:

http://www.newsarama.com/common/community/forums/?plckForumPage=ForumDiscussion&plckDiscussionId=Cat:46ada8ea-92e4-4618-9265-5be7cad0342bForum:eddf0de6-9daf-45e6-a15c-da5305371fbeDiscussion:123d67f0-da9d-4f72-a944-1183b766811d&plckCurrentPage=1&sid=sitelife.newsarama.com


Replying to:
Kevin,the work has been really good. It seems you are able to craft a story that really puts someone in the center of an intense debate.Here are my questions. 1. Will Blue Marvel and Anti-man be used after the mini is concluded? 2. In regards to his powers. Does the Blue Marvel have superspeed? Does he have other powers that go beyond the physical? Like anything energy related or some such? 3. With Barack Obama in office,and in Marvel that is reflected. Will there be a scene where Adam feels wanted and in comfort now that his country has changed it's view point? 4. Can his catch phrase now be "time for a change"
Posted by titandeoro


1. You'll have to wait and see. But I certainly hope so.

2. It depends on how you define "super-speed". I will not make a point of it like the Flash or Superman. But he has a measure of it.

3. No. Adam has ALWAYS comfortable with himself. It's others that don't feel comfortable with him.

4. I don't think so.

KG


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Replying to:
A great introduction issue, i've really enjoyed it. I just hope he doesnt become TOO strong, TOO invulnerable etc. We recently already got The Sentry and a re-introduction of Marvel Boy and judging from the reactions on sites like newsarama fans are getting kinda tired of all those extremely powerful heroes popping up. People like to see vulnerabilities in their heroes, isnt that the main reason that made the Stan Lee's creations so populair?
Posted by Dimoutzi

As long as I'm writing the character, he won't be so strong that he makes other characters look foolish. He is just in the same league as the Hulk, Thor, Superman, Sentry, Orion, J'onn J'onzz, etc. He's NOT above them.

He does have energy powers as well, but not through a kind of "vision".

KG


Mr. Grevioux this was a very good issue. please keep up the good work. I have a few questions for you in regatds to the Blue Marvel's powers.1. How powerful is the Blue Marvel? I ask this, because like many other fans, I'm not a huge fan of earth bound Superman type of characters in the Marvel Universe. Heck, I'm not even a fan of Superman and the other Superman type characters in the DC Universe.2. Does the BM have any weakness and/or limitations?3. Does BM have any other powers besides the ones displayed in the first issue? 4. Is there either a hook or atwist when it comes to BM's super powers?OMT, I would like to thank you for bucking the trend and creating a very possitive and likable superhero, and especially for making him African American.
Posted by wraith


1. He's as strong as anybody in comics. Not "more powerful than...".

2. Not like wood, the color yellow or kryptonite. But he is NOT "all-powerful".

3. Yes. He has energy powers. Can't tell you the nature of them yet though.

4. Not sure what you mean.

5. Thanks for the kind words.

KG

Notice how he didnt put surfer in the same list as Hulk,thor, Sentry,Superman,Orion andJon J'onzz. Guess he must be above themshifty

I wonder why Sentry didn't do better with Anti-Man?

Because Sentry is old news.

Didn't you get the memo?

WTF says "colored" anymore? Is it 1962?

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Because Sentry is old news.

Didn't you get the memo?

Poor Sentry. Already relegated to "bashed by the villain of the week" status...

Originally posted by Harbinger
WTF says "colored" anymore? Is it 1962?

In the comic it is. Check who is president.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Black people always complaining.

I know you're joking, man...but, uncool. I really don't appreciate the racism.

I, in the other hand, appreciate racism and discrimination of every shape and form.

it's too early in his career for a respect thread, a good 5 years should pass since a lot of things are changing for both major companies. new and powerful characters a plenty.

I'm back. Here go the scans.

Adam is able to make it from Falls Church to the Moon in Minutes

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Having a conversation with the Watcher

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The Watcher says that Adam could have split the Moon in 2

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Adam defeats an Invading Alien Armada:

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I hope Sentry kick his ass.

doesn't seem impressive, but to be fair he just came out. i forsee a nother sentry thing happening

Originally posted by jalek moye
doesn't seem impressive, but to be fair he just came out. i forsee a nother sentry thing happening

This is what I fear. A "Sentry" hype.

Sentry just begin to earn respect, why do they throw us Blue Marvel?!

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
This is what I fear. A "Sentry" hype.

Sentry just begin to earn respect, why do they throw us Blue Marvel?!

the same reason they ruin all that great hulk development and throw us rulk

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
This is what I fear. A "Sentry" hype.

Sentry just begin to earn respect, why do they throw us Blue Marvel?!

Hopefully they've learned from their mistakes with Sentry and are going to do it right this time

How did Adam get so mighty?

I'm glad you asked:

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Adam may be the only stable anti-matter reactor in the 616

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Under the Sea

Adam's lair The "Marvel Drome"

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Adam builds the "Marvel Drome"

Namor objects, but it is quickly sustained

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Namor respects Adam

Shouldn't you?

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Samaritan, Icon, Sentry and Blue Marvel are the most intresting charcaters I've read about in recent times. I really think all four hold some great potential besides being clones of the Superman archetype and amalgrams of various heroes. I like the fact that Adam was able to correct, shock and baffle Reed, nice to see that he just isn't a muscle head. Hopefully they'll give him a new costume though, something Ultraman-ish, like a one piece but with no cape, that mask has got to go. Was he created to celebrate and capitalize off Black History Month lol, thats great marketing Marvel! Also is that why someone mentioned that Icon was getting ready to see the light of day again?

BTW, folks, Icon isn't actually black, he's really a blue-skinned alien
who've mimic the form of a black baby back in the year 1839. The
reason for this is because the equipment of the life-pod that
Arnus (Icon) have (or had) was able to have him become
similar to the first being who touched the ship (who happens
to be a slave woman named Miriam).

Great Thread man keep it coming!!!!!!

Adam smacks the ever-loving shit out of Sentry (one punching him into space):

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Turns out Sentry is more powerful then Adam, but barely so:

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There were a few more feats from that issue, but those caught my eye.

Originally posted by Galan007
Adam smacks the ever-loving shit out of Sentry (one punching him into space):

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Turns out Sentry is more powerful then Adam, but barely so:

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There were a few more feats from that issue, but those caught my eye.

Good thing, we now know his lvl power ^^

Originally posted by Galan007
Adam smacks the ever-loving shit out of Sentry (one punching him into space):

http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/1526821_bm1.jpg http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/1526822_bm2.jpg

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Turns out Sentry is more powerful then Adam, but barely so:

http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/1526823_bm3.jpg http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/1526824_bm4.jpg


There were a few more feats from that issue, but those caught my eye.

So are they saying that Sentry isn't powerful enough to own Adam every single time?

Originally posted by Galan007
Turns out Sentry is more powerful then Adam, but barely so:
Well, and when Venus Williams first won against her sister Serena in 1998, it was clear they were not evenly matched as thought before.

But wait ... now that i mention it ... there were further matches, and in the 20 duels they fought so far, Serena turned out winner 10 times.

So what does that little piece of tennis history teaches us looking at the case of Sentry's barely win against Blue Marvel and the daring conclusion that Sentry therefore must be more powerful?



Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
So are they saying that Sentry isn't powerful enough to own Adam every single time?
I would say so, yes.

Originally posted by Galan007
Adam smacks the ever-loving shit out of Sentry (one punching him into space):

http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/1526821_bm1.jpg http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/1526822_bm2.jpg

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Turns out Sentry is more powerful then Adam, but barely so:

http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/1526823_bm3.jpg http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/1526824_bm4.jpg


There were a few more feats from that issue, but those caught my eye. If you asked me, it looks like sentry only won because he attacked him while his attention was on the other avengers

Nice thread...I wanted Blue to win that fight and not really happy with the outcome.

Great scans. My only issue is how Sentry "beat" Blue Marvel, but then again it's only fair to have Sentry go over, seeing as he's more established.

Originally posted by Galan007


Turns out Sentry is more powerful then Adam, but barely so:



LOL even before he started fighting Sentry he was getting attacked and hurt by the other Avengers and Ares even drew blood, but somehow ths cans shows that Sentry is barely more powerful than BA. Heres the rest.

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even when Sentry attacked him again BA was busy fighting Ares, Iron Man and Wonder Man.

I find sentry more impressive, but i guess they are about equal.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
but somehow ths cans shows that Sentry is barely more powerful than BA.
Again: The scans show that Sentry barely won, not that he's barely more powerful than BA.!

the creator has stated multiple times blue marvel=sentry, neither is more powerful.

Originally posted by wannabe
Again: The scans show that Sentry barely won, not that he's barely more powerful than BA.! not only that, Adam was taking on the sentry, as well as the rest of the avengers, the creator is trying to show that they're equal (he stated that in an interview and on the comicbook resources forum)

Originally posted by wannabe
Again: The scans show that Sentry barely won, not that he's barely more powerful than BA.!

Yeah and im explaining why he won, no need to tell me 'again'. It actually seems you even missed the point that I was arguing in BAs favour. Man this forum kills me sometimes. That actual bit of my post was sarcasm.




Originally posted by jalek moye
I find sentry more impressive, but i guess they are about equal.

Not from the scans I hope.

So Anti-Man beat the shit outta Sentry and Avengers but good old Blue comes around and is the only one who can stand up to him however he lost to Sentry.....

Originally posted by The Nuul
So Anti-Man beat the shit outta Sentry and Avengers but good old Blue comes around and is the only one who can stand up to him however he lost to Sentry..... noo...you should actually check out the story, originally blue marvel and anti-man were equal (maybe anti-ma nwas a little more powerful) however over time he grew more and more powerful, Blue marvel came back to fight anti-man, and he was defeated, however he uses the fact that him and anti-=man are both constructed of anti-matter to disperse aniti-man or something along those lines, he wasn't more powerful than antiman

and he didn't lose to the sentry, It was Blue Marvel against the Avengers, the creator has stated multiple time that the two characters are equals.

Originally posted by Trackz

and he didn't lose to the sentry, It was Blue Marvel against the Avengers, the creator has stated multiple time that the two characters are equals.
So basically thor is still the man. since he is currently above sentry and blue marvel

Originally posted by jalek moye
So basically thor is still the man. since he is currently above sentry and blue marvel



And so is The Incredible Hulk!

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
And so is The Incredible Hulk!
nah hulk currently is about their equal, he may go back to his previous level soon though

I'm damned sure it's not "just me". This Blue Negro is the biggest pile of politically correct crap I've ever smelled. No plot, no story, no real writing at all, no nothing, just a PC excuse for a strong black character for no reason other than to have one. Give me a good ol' white male hero any day. The kind that has 5 O'clock shadow, drives a pickup, carries a shotgun, smokes, drinks, votes Republican, goes hunting and eats meat.

White men getting beaten up by the blackest hero ever...revolting.

Being a racist douche ain't helping your case.

Why don't you start a Ted Nugent respect thread?

Originally posted by UKR
I'm damned sure it's not "just me". This Blue Negro is the biggest pile of politically correct crap I've ever smelled. No plot, no story, no real writing at all, no nothing, just a PC excuse for a strong black character for no reason other than to have one. Give me a good ol' white male hero any day. The kind that has 5 O'clock shadow, drives a pickup, carries a shotgun, smokes, drinks, votes Republican, goes hunting and eats meat.

White men getting beaten up by the blackest hero ever...revolting.


How are you not banned yet?

He WAS banned. Temporarily.

UKR, this racist behavior is not acceptable and this is a RESPECT thread, not a hate thread. Consider that another warning.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Originally posted by wannabe
Again: The scans show that Sentry barely won, not that he's barely more powerful than BA.! Yeah and im explaining why he won, no need to tell me 'again'. It actually seems you even missed the point that I was arguing in BAs favour. Man this forum kills me sometimes. That actual bit of my post was sarcasm.
I've very well noticed that you were generally talking in BA's favour, yet you were still stating that Sentry would be slightly more powerful. Maybe i'm just a bit meticulous, but i've noticed that the difference between barely more powerful and barely won is nothing to be neglected in vs.-thread-discussion. Precision is more often than not the one thing that might help you against fanboys and the likes ... and it's a general virtue in any discussion.

Originally posted by wannabe
yet you were still stating that Sentry would be slightly more powerful.

Er no I wasnt again that bit of my post was sarcasm.

Is this comic still ongoing?

Nope. It was a 5 issue mini, and all 5 issues have been released now.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
And so is The Incredible Hulk! the creator said something along the lines of: the blue marvel is no stronger than the sentry or the hulk, they are equal.

Originally posted by Captain REX
He WAS banned. Temporarily.

UKR, this racist behavior is not acceptable and this is a RESPECT thread, not a hate thread. Consider that another warning. Rex already posted. There's no reason to keep reporting. durfist

Originally posted by Trackz
the creator said something along the lines of: the blue marvel is no stronger than the sentry or the hulk, they are equal.

well its hard to make an exactly equal character

I think it shows humility on the part of the creator. I'm sure he realized that people wouldn't appreciate having some new guy show up and basically say "Move on over! I'm the big dog now!"

Originally posted by Trackz
the creator said something along the lines of: the blue marvel is no stronger than the sentry or the hulk, they are equal. Stark equated Blue Marvel's power to Thor and Sentry.

Namor and Blue Marvel were reminiscing when they had first met. Namor told Blue Marvel that "In all these years since, only Thor and the Hulk have ever struck me that hard."

I'm believing what Stark said since he had the files and Namor because he's fought Thor, Hulk and Blue Marvel.

Energy manipulation

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/9066/scan0001k.th.jpg

Avengers vs Anti-man round 2

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http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/387/scan0013.th.jpg

Leadership

Adam uses the MA to create a crude Cyclotron

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http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/3474/scan0015.th.jpg

pt 2

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pt. 3

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http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/4039/scan0022.th.jpg

New outfit

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/1999/scan0023.th.jpg

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Er no I wasnt again that bit of my post was sarcasm.
Er yes, you were, even if that bit was sarcasm, which btw. was not that noticeable. Maybe you shoud have used one of those smilies like you did in the quoted post.

Originally posted by Badabing
Stark equated Blue Marvel's power to Thor and Sentry.

Namor and Blue Marvel were reminiscing when they had first met. Namor told Blue Marvel that "In all these years since, only Thor and the Hulk have ever struck me that hard."

I'm believing what Stark said since he had the files and Namor because he's fought Thor, Hulk and Blue Marvel.
eh i'm still sure thor would beat him down

Originally posted by jalek moye
eh i'm still sure thor would beat him down

Blue Marvel would own Thor. Out of all the heroes Marvel has never lost a one on one

Originally posted by Silent Guardian
Blue Marvel would own Thor. Out of all the heroes Marvel has never lost a one on one
well any top tier could beat the avanegers by themselves.

Originally posted by Silent Guardian
Blue Marvel would own Thor. Out of all the heroes Marvel has never lost a one on one

Classic Thor? I doubt he would "own" Thor. He'd certainly put up a good showing, but I don't see him getting clear majority on Thor.

Current Thor? Adam wouldn't come close to owning him.

Originally posted by jalek moye
eh i'm still sure thor would beat him down

Are you kidding? Blue Marvel is strong and knew and all but he is no where near as strong, powerful or even the same class as Thor. He started bleeding from a hit by Ares, and Wonderman. Those two guys put together won't make Thor bleed. To make it even worse he lost to a team of Avengers. Back in the day Classic thor when he got angry for not being able to stay with Jane Ironman didn't even want the Avengers to mess with him. That Avengers don't even see Blue Marvel as a threat like Thor. That and Blue Marvel doesn't even have any showings to compared to Thor.

Blue Marvel is a powerful guy no doubt but he's not in a class with thors like Gladitator, Hercules, Forgotten one. Blue Marvel is more like Hulk, Namor, Thing, and Wonder man. Theres a reason why Thor's is Marvels strongest hero, and Sentry is overrated when he alone was said not even able to take on Ares.

Originally posted by kakuzu
Are you kidding? Blue Marvel is strong and knew and all but he is no where near as strong, powerful or even the same class as Thor. He started bleeding from a hit by Ares, and Wonderman. Those two guys put together won't make Thor bleed. To make it even worse he lost to a team of Avengers. Back in the day Classic thor when he got angry for not being able to stay with Jane Ironman didn't even want the Avengers to mess with him. That Avengers don't even see Blue Marvel as a threat like Thor. That and Blue Marvel doesn't even have any showings to compared to Thor.

Blue Marvel is a powerful guy no doubt but he's not in a class with thors like Gladitator, Hercules, Forgotten one. Blue Marvel is more like Hulk, Namor, Thing, and Wonder man. Theres a reason why Thor's is Marvels strongest hero, and Sentry is overrated when he alone was said not even able to take on Ares.
lol i said thor would win. and i only said that as a joke not to start a debate

Originally posted by kakuzu
Are you kidding? Blue Marvel is strong and knew and all but he is no where near as strong, powerful or even the same class as Thor. He started bleeding from a hit by Ares, and Wonderman. Those two guys put together won't make Thor bleed. To make it even worse he lost to a team of Avengers. Back in the day Classic thor when he got angry for not being able to stay with Jane Ironman didn't even want the Avengers to mess with him. That Avengers don't even see Blue Marvel as a threat like Thor. That and Blue Marvel doesn't even have any showings to compared to Thor.

Blue Marvel is a powerful guy no doubt but he's not in a class with thors like Gladitator, Hercules, Forgotten one. Blue Marvel is more like Hulk, Namor, Thing, and Wonder man. Theres a reason why Thor's is Marvels strongest hero, and Sentry is overrated when he alone was said not even able to take on Ares.

Well I admit you made me look dumb.

Originally posted by kakuzu
Are you kidding? Blue Marvel is strong and knew and all but he is no where near as strong, powerful or even the same class as Thor. He started bleeding from a hit by Ares, and Wonderman. Those two guys put together won't make Thor bleed. To make it even worse he lost to a team of Avengers. Back in the day Classic thor when he got angry for not being able to stay with Jane Ironman didn't even want the Avengers to mess with him. That Avengers don't even see Blue Marvel as a threat like Thor. That and Blue Marvel doesn't even have any showings to compared to Thor.

Blue Marvel is a powerful guy no doubt but he's not in a class with thors like Gladitator, Hercules, Forgotten one. Blue Marvel is more like Hulk, Namor, Thing, and Wonder man. Theres a reason why Thor's is Marvels strongest hero, and Sentry is overrated when he alone was said not even able to take on Ares.

Thor is not Marvel's strongest hero. The likes of Surfer, SW, Dr. Strange begs to differ.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Thor is not Marvel's strongest hero. The likes of Surfer, SW, Dr. Strange begs to differ.
actually curent thor is the strongest hero on marvel Earth . Dr strange has gotten weaker. And him and sufer well thats pretty much a tie for whos more powerful.

Originally posted by jalek moye
actually curent thor is the strongest hero on marvel Earth . Dr strange has gotten weaker. And him and sufer well thats pretty much a tie for whos more powerful.

Seconded. Current Thor would have to go cosmic to have anyone truly pose a significant threat to him.

Originally posted by jalek moye
actually curent thor is the strongest hero on marvel Earth . Dr strange has gotten weaker. And him and sufer well thats pretty much a tie for whos more powerful.

Naah, I think current thor is leagues above surfer. Surfer cant put down people that thor has put down as easily as thor did. Hell thor one shotted the destroyer, held back against a sky father (bor) and then one shotted him also and one shotted durok.

Thor would kill surfer if they ever fought, hes leagues above him.

Originally posted by jalek moye
actually curent thor is the strongest hero on marvel Earth . Dr strange has gotten weaker. And him and sufer well thats pretty much a tie for whos more powerful.

Other guy didn't say earth.

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Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Thor is not Marvel's strongest hero. The likes of Surfer, SW, Dr. Strange begs to differ.

I said Strongest not most powerful. Strange and Silver Surfer are in the most powerful category since Strange has taken on Eternity, Silver Surfer on Galactus etc. They do it on a daily basis Thor rare. In the strength Factor Thors out classes both of them.

Originally posted by BlueDMighty
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Originally posted by kakuzu
I said Strongest not most powerful. Strange and Silver Surfer are in the most powerful category since Strange has taken on Eternity, Silver Surfer on Galactus etc. They do it on a daily basis Thor rare. In the strength Factor Thors out classes both of them.

Thor doesn't outclass Hulk or Juggernaut in strength. Those three are pretty even.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Thor doesn't outclass Hulk or Juggernaut in strength. Those three are pretty even.

Very wrong. Hulk starts out at 100 tons depending on which version, Juggernaut has to amp his strength up to go toe to toe with some others. Thor is natrually strong and easily lifts over 100 tons. If Hulk is so much stronger then Thor why was he even with Thor for and hour and then he finally started gettting stronger? If he is as strong as Thor then why why did it take 6 hours to get stronger then Doc Samson? This would be a much better argument with Juggernaut then Hulk. Hulk can't barely take on Sentry and Sentry isn't even as strong as Thor.

Originally posted by kakuzu
Very wrong. Hulk starts out at 100 tons depending on which version, Juggernaut has to amp his strength up to go toe to toe with some others. Thor is natrually strong and easily lifts over 100 tons. If Hulk is so much stronger then Thor why was he even with Thor for and hour and then he finally started gettting stronger? If he is as strong as Thor then why why did it take 6 hours to get stronger then Doc Samson? This would be a much better argument with Juggernaut then Hulk. Hulk can't barely take on Sentry and Sentry isn't even as strong as Thor.

You're wrong. Juggernaut doesn't amp his strength, there is a theory that he can through being more determined and destructive but not exactly proven. He has only had three different power levels outside of his regular form. 8th day, Trion and Depowerednaut. I don't know where you got that amping thing from. Cain and Hulk easily lift over 100 tons. Thor has never overpowered Cain when it comes to strength.

Which hulk fought Samson? Also you didn't say who was the strongest base hero. Hulk can still become more stronger than him, but still those three are pretty even.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
You're wrong. Juggernaut doesn't amp his strength, there is a theory that he can through being more determined and destructive but not exactly proven. He has only had three different power levels outside of his regular form. 8th day, Trion and Depowerednaut. I don't know where you got that amping thing from. Cain and Hulk easily lift over 100 tons. Thor has never overpowered Cain when it comes to strength.

Which hulk fought Samson? Also you didn't say who was the strongest base hero. Hulk can still become more stronger than him, but still those three are pretty even.

I don't know if you realize but you proving me right as we go on. Juggernaut can amp his strength up thus the reason why his gem has limitless strength or unlimited strength to add to him. Hulk strength is limitless but it takes a hell of a long time for him to ever get that strong to be a real threat. Juggernaut has never beaten Thor truly in a fight. Even in a hand to hand figh tno hammer no shields Juggernaut nearly died from one blow from Thor in 60 seconds Juggernaut nearly died from Thor. Yet you think he is actually stronger??

Yes I'm going off a hero basis and Hulk isn't in Thors category. Being Thor, Gladiator, Silver Surfer, Beta Ray Bill, an Hercules. Those are the top teirs in strength alone even if Gladiator is good he will fight on the good side. Hulk comes in with Wonder Man, Namor(Water soaked), Sentry, Hyperion(certain version). Hulk has only beaten Thor what one or twice? Thor has killed Hulk what? 3-4 times? Hulk has ran away from Thor how many times?? Even Surtur/Hulk strongest version died to Thor. Yet Hulk is stronger? Give me one showing where Hulk has been shown to be stronger. If Hulk was so much "Stronger" He wouldn't have to get stronger from anger he would be like every one else in Thors category of strength. Thats like saying Hulk is invulnerable. He is just durable because an invulnerable person would never have such a healing factor. They aren't even either.

Originally posted by kakuzu
I don't know if you realize but you proving me right as we go on. Juggernaut can amp his strength up thus the reason why his gem has limitless strength or unlimited strength to add to him. Hulk strength is limitless but it takes a hell of a long time for him to ever get that strong to be a real threat. Juggernaut has never beaten Thor truly in a fight. Even in a hand to hand figh tno hammer no shields Juggernaut nearly died from one blow from Thor in 60 seconds Juggernaut nearly died from Thor. Yet you think he is actually stronger??

Yes I'm going off a hero basis and Hulk isn't in Thors category. Being Thor, Gladiator, Silver Surfer, Beta Ray Bill, an Hercules. Those are the top teirs in strength alone even if Gladiator is good he will fight on the good side. Hulk comes in with Wonder Man, Namor(Water soaked), Sentry, Hyperion(certain version). Hulk has only beaten Thor what one or twice? Thor has killed Hulk what? 3-4 times? Hulk has ran away from Thor how many times?? Even Surtur/Hulk strongest version died to Thor. Yet Hulk is stronger? Give me one showing where Hulk has been shown to be stronger. If Hulk was so much "Stronger" He wouldn't have to get stronger from anger he would be like every one else in Thors category of strength. Thats like saying Hulk is invulnerable. He is just durable because an invulnerable person would never have such a healing factor. They aren't even either.

No not proving you right seeing as he went Trion through outside intervention he did not do that on his own and 8th Day was because Cyttorak called him forward to do battle with the other Exemplars. Cain has never on his own amped his strength.

Hulk's rage boost is variable depending on which version of Hulk it is.

Cain has beaten THor twice. He ko'd him in their first fight and their third. Don't see how he didn't truly beat him. The Cain you are talking about was written as having his invulnerability tied into his forcefield which isn't true. He had shit durability in that fight. Also Thor did not nearly kill him seeing as Cain didn't bleed and he was still up and speaking coherently during those 60 seconds.

How is Hulk in a WM and Namor league when he has beaten the likes of Gladiator and Surfer?

Hulk has also braced a mountain and held a planet together, those are Gladiator feats right there, no way could namor or WM do that.

Choose your words carefully my friend, I don't recall Thor ever killing Hulk, not even around 3-4 times. Thor would win in a fight but not because of pure strength, he has a whole range of abilities. If they were to go up against each other strictly H2H Thor would lose more than he would win.

Never said Hulk was invulnerable, because he isn't. Cain is invulnerable and he has a HF.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
No not proving you right seeing as he went Trion through outside intervention he did not do that on his own and 8th Day was because Cyttorak called him forward to do battle with the other Exemplars. Cain has never on his own amped his strength.

Hulk's rage boost is variable depending on which version of Hulk it is.

Cain has beaten THor twice. He ko'd him in their first fight and their third. Don't see how he didn't truly beat him. The Cain you are talking about was written as having his invulnerability tied into his forcefield which isn't true. He had shit durability in that fight. Also Thor did not nearly kill him seeing as Cain didn't bleed and he was still up and speaking coherently during those 60 seconds.

How is Hulk in a WM and Namor league when he has beaten the likes of Gladiator and Surfer?

Hulk has also braced a mountain and held a planet together, those are Gladiator feats right there, no way could namor or WM do that.

Choose your words carefully my friend, I don't recall Thor ever killing Hulk, not even around 3-4 times. Thor would win in a fight but not because of pure strength, he has a whole range of abilities. If they were to go up against each other strictly H2H Thor would lose more than he would win.

Never said Hulk was invulnerable, because he isn't. Cain is invulnerable and he has a HF.

Dude are you serious? Thor has never killed Hulk? Oh my gosh and you think I'm actually lying let me prove you wrong to start this off.

Strongest version of Hulk mix of Surtur/Hulk summoned by Dormammu went to kill Thor. What happen? Thor killed him with one hammer shot to the head.

Venom Hulk goes on a rampage oh no who will save us?!?! Thor comes all the way down kills Hulk and Venom then takes over Thor who was admitted to be more of a threat then Hulk/Venom was.

Hulk is on a rampage again who stops him? Damn not Sentry, Thor comes down and breaks his neck and flies away and the army sees him turn into Bruce laying there.

Fourth an last time when Thor and Loki took over the earth. Who decides they can take on Thor just because he has ONLY ONE HAND? Thing and Hulk this time think they can take on Thor since he has one hand. You would think they would have the upper advantage right? WRONG!!! Thing and Hulk after several hours of fighting are seen laying Dead from fight one armed Thor.

Now lets look back at when Hulk killed Thor.......................... Yeah never really happend at all. Hasn't even come close except in the cheap animated movies.

Now Hulk vs Gladiator is a horrible example as He cheap shots gladiator, gladiator was already weak and some How Hulks hands can withstand his heat ray but His stomach can't withstand it? Does that make sense to you?

Hulk vs Silver Surfer? Hey remember the time Hulk fought Surfer and Surfer didn't really feel like fighting him and in a few seconds sucked his gamma out of him leaving him as Banner? Remember then time Hulk has fought the Surfer with out cheap shotting him to try and get the win? Although you can't blame Hulk though for his horrible fighting tecnique if I had and IQ like that I'd go for a cheap shot to.

Now Thor vs Juggernaut. If I remember correctly it was Three fights. The first one for some odd reason Thor didn't just remove the magic shield from Juggernaut and did a baby godblast on him then sent him far away far away so no one really one that but Thor did get rid of him so he kind of did win. Next time Thor fights him hand to hand removes his shield and for 60 straight seconds beats the hell out of him. What happens? Right before he does that finishing blow the shields cut back on and thor does something to defeat him. The other time you were talking about Juggernaut grew like 3 times he size and apparently got amped up in power from what the captions said. Read that in the Thor respect thread and read the small fight. I admit Juggernaut won but he was obviously amped up.

I don't know if you even read the comic with Hulk not bracing the mountain but let me let you in on a secret HULK DIDN'T BRACE A MOUNTAIN. He braced a very very very very small portion of it and had help even doing that. Hulk even admitted or Reed that he couldn't do it much longer. So much for that feat huh?

You also state that thor wouldn't win ina fight between him and Him with out the extra abilities huh? Wow are you in for a surprise. Read Thor vs Mindless Hulk when Thor got tired of him going crazy he was beating Hulk senseless. If that isn't enough for you pick up a classic one of where Thor sat down and told the story to a bunch of kids he even asked Odin to remove his hammers magical power as he wanted to test it only hand to hand. Guess who was winning? That right Thor was beating Hulk senseless till he stopped TO CHECK IF HULK WAS EVEN STILL ALIVE. Then Hulk cheap shots him like usual. They grapple. Guess who looks like there winning? Yep Hulk. You would have been proud if you saw this till you looked down a panel and saw Thor over coming Hulk while Hulk was trying to be stronger which shows just how much stronger he is then Hulk.

So in terms of class Hulk isn't in Thor, Gladiator, Silver Surfer, Beta Ray Bills, and Hercules class. Since he isn't up to there strength I place him in the Wonder Man, Namor(water soaked), Sentry and Blue Marvel class. But I place him not at the bottom but at the top near Sentry. Till I see Hulk dent Adamantium the pure thing or destroy and planet with three whole hits or even Hulk earth on your back for three hours straight with ease he isn't in there class at all.

Originally posted by kakuzu
Dude are you serious? Thor has never killed Hulk? Oh my gosh and you think I'm actually lying let me prove you wrong to start this off.

Strongest version of Hulk mix of Surtur/Hulk summoned by Dormammu went to kill Thor. What happen? Thor killed him with one hammer shot to the head.

Venom Hulk goes on a rampage oh no who will save us?!?! Thor comes all the way down kills Hulk and Venom then takes over Thor who was admitted to be more of a threat then Hulk/Venom was.

Hulk is on a rampage again who stops him? Damn not Sentry, Thor comes down and breaks his neck and flies away and the army sees him turn into Bruce laying there.

Fourth an last time when Thor and Loki took over the earth. Who decides they can take on Thor just because he has ONLY ONE HAND? Thing and Hulk this time think they can take on Thor since he has one hand. You would think they would have the upper advantage right? WRONG!!! Thing and Hulk after several hours of fighting are seen laying Dead from fight one armed Thor.

Now lets look back at when Hulk killed Thor.......................... Yeah never really happend at all. Hasn't even come close except in the cheap animated movies.

Now Hulk vs Gladiator is a horrible example as He cheap shots gladiator, gladiator was already weak and some How Hulks hands can withstand his heat ray but His stomach can't withstand it? Does that make sense to you?

Hulk vs Silver Surfer? Hey remember the time Hulk fought Surfer and Surfer didn't really feel like fighting him and in a few seconds sucked his gamma out of him leaving him as Banner? Remember then time Hulk has fought the Surfer with out cheap shotting him to try and get the win? Although you can't blame Hulk though for his horrible fighting tecnique if I had and IQ like that I'd go for a cheap shot to.

Now Thor vs Juggernaut. If I remember correctly it was Three fights. The first one for some odd reason Thor didn't just remove the magic shield from Juggernaut and did a baby godblast on him then sent him far away far away so no one really one that but Thor did get rid of him so he kind of did win. Next time Thor fights him hand to hand removes his shield and for 60 straight seconds beats the hell out of him. What happens? Right before he does that finishing blow the shields cut back on and thor does something to defeat him. The other time you were talking about Juggernaut grew like 3 times he size and apparently got amped up in power from what the captions said. Read that in the Thor respect thread and read the small fight. I admit Juggernaut won but he was obviously amped up.

I don't know if you even read the comic with Hulk not bracing the mountain but let me let you in on a secret HULK DIDN'T BRACE A MOUNTAIN. He braced a very very very very small portion of it and had help even doing that. Hulk even admitted or Reed that he couldn't do it much longer. So much for that feat huh?

You also state that thor wouldn't win ina fight between him and Him with out the extra abilities huh? Wow are you in for a surprise. Read Thor vs Mindless Hulk when Thor got tired of him going crazy he was beating Hulk senseless. If that isn't enough for you pick up a classic one of where Thor sat down and told the story to a bunch of kids he even asked Odin to remove his hammers magical power as he wanted to test it only hand to hand. Guess who was winning? That right Thor was beating Hulk senseless till he stopped TO CHECK IF HULK WAS EVEN STILL ALIVE. Then Hulk cheap shots him like usual. They grapple. Guess who looks like there winning? Yep Hulk. You would have been proud if you saw this till you looked down a panel and saw Thor over coming Hulk while Hulk was trying to be stronger which shows just how much stronger he is then Hulk.

So in terms of class Hulk isn't in Thor, Gladiator, Silver Surfer, Beta Ray Bills, and Hercules class. Since he isn't up to there strength I place him in the Wonder Man, Namor(water soaked), Sentry and Blue Marvel class. But I place him not at the bottom but at the top near Sentry. Till I see Hulk dent Adamantium the pure thing or destroy and planet with three whole hits or even Hulk earth on your back for three hours straight with ease he isn't in there class at all.

Sounds like your naming a bunch of noncanon instances because I don't remember 616 Thor canonically killing 616 Hulk four times at all. Also Strongest version of Hulk is WWH someone Thor hasn't fought.

Now on to Cain and Thor. In their first fight Thor did not use a baby godblast, he said himself that this is the very blast that drove back Galactus. He didn't send him far away with the GB either, the ground gave in. Thor didn't seal off his shield in the first fight because it would've been PIS. Cain's invulnerability is not connected to his forcefield this is a fact. Cain KO'd Thor in their first fight, Thor didn't so how can you say Thor won via BFR but Cain didn't win?

His second fight was PIS because he was written as a mutant and his invulnerability was tied into his Forcefield. Even without his powers Thor still couldn't put him down.

When did Cain grow three times his size? Looks regular size to me.

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A very very very very small piece of a mountain? Are you sure about that? Hulk has held a planet together with his strength and Worldbreaker had the power to well destroy the world. How is in only Namor's class? Hasn't Namor stalemated both Hulk and Thor IIRC?

Is this still a respect thread for Blue Marvel or already a versus thread for Marvel's bricks and powerhouses?

Originally posted by kakuzu
Strongest version of Hulk mix of Surtur/Hulk summoned by Dormammu went to kill Thor. What happen? Thor killed him with one hammer shot to the head.

Venom Hulk goes on a rampage oh no who will save us?!?! Thor comes all the way down kills Hulk and Venom then takes over Thor who was admitted to be more of a threat then Hulk/Venom was.

Hulk is on a rampage again who stops him? Damn not Sentry, Thor comes down and breaks his neck and flies away and the army sees him turn into Bruce laying there.
I don't recall these instances. Do you remember issue numbers or story arcs or anything?

Originally posted by kakuzu
Fourth an last time when Thor and Loki took over the earth. Who decides they can take on Thor just because he has ONLY ONE HAND? Thing and Hulk this time think they can take on Thor since he has one hand. You would think they would have the upper advantage right? WRONG!!! Thing and Hulk after several hours of fighting are seen laying Dead from fight one armed Thor.
Meh, small correction: Thor had both arms and both eyes. Its from the fight that Thor loses that arm and eye. Still a great feat for Thor though, because he was cut off from the Odinforce.

Originally posted by kakuzu
Now lets look back at when Hulk killed Thor.......................... Yeah never really happend at all. Hasn't even come close except in the cheap animated movies.
Not really true. During Heroes Reborn, Hulk absolutely brutalizes a version of Thor. And in Hulk 461 (I think), a Savage Maestro Hulk easily holds his own against a Berserker amped Thor (Thor's strength x10) and then tosses him away when he's through serving his purpose.

I'm pretty sure Hulk killed Thor during Future Imperfect, too.

Originally posted by kakuzu
Now Hulk vs Gladiator is a horrible example as He cheap shots gladiator, gladiator was already weak and some How Hulks hands can withstand his heat ray but His stomach can't withstand it? Does that make sense to you?
Definitely right about that. Complete BS.

Originally posted by kakuzu
Although you can't blame Hulk though for his horrible fighting tecnique if I had and IQ like that I'd go for a cheap shot to.


Originally posted by kakuzu
The other time you were talking about Juggernaut grew like 3 times he size and apparently got amped up in power from what the captions said. Read that in the Thor respect thread and read the small fight. I admit Juggernaut won but he was obviously amped up.
Yeah, that last time you're referring to is against 8th Day Juggernaut, who Thor said was a hundred times stronger than before....

However, when Juggernaut escapes from the Gem at the end of the Onslaught saga, he also says he feels a hundred times stronger than before. And doesn't show it.

And erm, he's not 3 times the size in that instance.

Originally posted by kakuzu
I don't know if you even read the comic with Hulk not bracing the mountain but let me let you in on a secret HULK DIDN'T BRACE A MOUNTAIN. He braced a very very very very small portion of it and had help even doing that. Hulk even admitted or Reed that he couldn't do it much longer. So much for that feat huh?

Not true. The mountain range was 150 billion tons. It was dropped directly on them, and the only reason the heroes didn't go splat was because the Hulk 'braced' it. You know what bracing something is, right? He couldn't lift it off of them, but he did hold it up off of them. And the mountain range was 10,000 ft. high...and probably even longer than it was tall. Awesome feat for Hulk there. Especially because that was "Professor" Hulk, one of the weakest versions.

And a weakened Hulk, like Wei already said, was able to shift continental plates with one hand.

Originally posted by kakuzu
Read Thor vs Mindless Hulk when Thor got tired of him going crazy he was beating Hulk senseless.
Again, what're you referring to? Heroes Reborn where the 616 Thor shows up after Hulk's already brutally beaten his HR version? Or Hulk 461, where it definitely wasn't one-sided?

So in terms of class Hulk isn't in Thor, Gladiator, Silver Surfer, Beta Ray Bills, and Hercules class.
Completely disagree with you, here.

Guys, Digi won't be back for a few days so I'm stepping in. This has been way off topic. Please get back on topic or there will be warnings. Thanks.

Originally posted by Enyalus

I don't recall these instances. Do you remember issue numbers or story arcs or anything?


Meh, small correction: Thor had both arms and both eyes. Its from the fight that Thor loses that arm and eye. Still a great feat for Thor though, because he was cut off from the Odinforce.


Not really true. During Heroes Reborn, Hulk absolutely brutalizes a version of Thor. And in Hulk 461 (I think), a Savage Maestro Hulk easily holds his own against a Berserker amped Thor (Thor's strength x10) and then tosses him away when he's through serving his purpose.

I'm pretty sure Hulk killed Thor during Future Imperfect, too.


Definitely right about that. Complete BS.





Yeah, that last time you're referring to is against 8th Day Juggernaut, who Thor said was a hundred times stronger than before....

However, when Juggernaut escapes from the Gem at the end of the Onslaught saga, he also says he feels a hundred times stronger than before. And doesn't show it.

And erm, he's not 3 times the size in that instance.



Not true. The mountain range was 150 billion tons. It was dropped directly on them, and the only reason the heroes didn't go splat was because the Hulk 'braced' it. You know what bracing something is, right? He couldn't lift it off of them, but he did hold it up off of them. And the mountain range was 10,000 ft. high...and probably even longer than it was tall. Awesome feat for Hulk there. Especially because that was "Professor" Hulk, one of the weakest versions.

And a weakened Hulk, like Wei already said, was able to shift continental plates with one hand.


Again, what're you referring to? Heroes Reborn where the 616 Thor shows up after Hulk's already brutally beaten his HR version? Or Hulk 461, where it definitely wasn't one-sided?

So in terms of class Hulk isn't in Thor, Gladiator, Silver Surfer, Beta Ray Bills, and Hercules class.
Completely disagree with you, here.

1.For the first one no those were What if? When Thor didn't decide to Hold back on Hulk. In marvel its admitted Thor, Silver Surfer, and Strange all feel bad for Hulk and don't actually wanna kill him. Thats the main reason Thor doesn't just hit him with a Godblast when Hulk jumps at him and ends the fight forever. Silver Surfer admits it to after he beat Hulk and say his body just laying there.

2.Heroes reborn? If I remember correctly Onslaught was going through there heads and making them fight each other. Even Then Thor beat Hulk lol. Infact right before he was about to smash Hulks face it he couldn't Hold the hammer because Thor was no longer worthy with Onslaught in his mind. I remember that Thor won that even if it wasn't really him.

3.Are you sure I thought he did lose one arm before? I remember throughout the whole story he had no eye period. But none the less he did it with brute strength.

4.Your right he was able to use his long arm to hold a berserk Thor back who for some odd reason didn't just break it like a twig. Considering the fact Thor can move so fast he is a blurr(happens in earlier comics when he robbed a bank) he could have easily dashed around the arm and pummeled him. Remember when Thor took on Dr.Strange, Beta Ray bill, Silver Silver, Adam warlock Drax with the Gem that big black guy and pwned them all in warriors rage? Yeah Hulk wouldn't be able to do that. Even Thor with Silver Surfer and Drax had to run to Odin because Thor was in rage with the power gem. Also notice which Hulk you named a savage Maestro who is already twice an more stronger then Hulk but Savage?

5.When I said Juggernaut was three times his size I wasn't being literal about it. I mean look at how suddenly big he got and in one caption Thor mentions he must have gotten a power up. Trion Juggernaut would demolish Thor that some one Strange should fight.

6.Nope I remember the comic it wasn't dropped directly on them a portion was on the other side. Hulk lifted up that portion that was on them.

7.Its okay if you don't agree but I don't see your average Hulk being in there class especially since its stated most of the time when he turns to Hulk he is in class 90, just in 100 but never just goes in excess greatly like the others. Hulk has never really done what they've done. Besides Being in Namor class and Wonder mans class isn't bad considering Wonder man is said to be the strongest Human until count Nefaria you know. Namor has been seen doing some amazing feats including beating Hulk and sending him flying miles away and turning back into Banner of course when they fought in the water.

Can we bring this back on topic? Thank you.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Sounds like your naming a bunch of noncanon instances because I don't remember 616 Thor canonically killing 616 Hulk four times at all. Also Strongest version of Hulk is WWH someone Thor hasn't fought.

Now on to Cain and Thor. In their first fight Thor did not use a baby godblast, he said himself that this is the very blast that drove back Galactus. He didn't send him far away with the GB either, the ground gave in. Thor didn't seal off his shield in the first fight because it would've been PIS. Cain's invulnerability is not connected to his forcefield this is a fact. Cain KO'd Thor in their first fight, Thor didn't so how can you say Thor won via BFR but Cain didn't win?

His second fight was PIS because he was written as a mutant and his invulnerability was tied into his Forcefield. Even without his powers Thor still couldn't put him down.

When did Cain grow three times his size? Looks regular size to me.

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A very very very very small piece of a mountain? Are you sure about that? Hulk has held a planet together with his strength and Worldbreaker had the power to well destroy the world. How is in only Namor's class? Hasn't Namor stalemated both Hulk and Thor IIRC?

Okay I'll say it again if you noticed Thor Silver Surfer, and Strange all admitted to feeling bad for Hulk which is why they never kill him. If they really wanted to they would. In a non canon fight a what if Silver Surfer infact did kill Thor and did it in a few seconds right after the fight, while in the regular universe they usually fight and stop because they don't want to kill for no reason. Strange is even admitted he could kill Hulk with his pinky if he wanted but doesn't. If you read the Strange vs WWH you would see that he used the weakest possibly version of Zoms power to fight Hulk because he was really scared of killing him.

Now I saw its a very small piece but I'm not being serious. A piece that small I would be able to lift. What I really mean is that with closer inspection its revealed Hulk never lifted the entire thing.

Now in the first fight he says its the same type of blast that drove Galactus away but its not the same exactly one that he used on Galactus. Do you know why? For the soul fact he put his life force into the one he used on Galactus not the one he used on Juggernaut. That and Galactus is relatively weak to magic since its the one energy in the entire universe he cannot manipulate. Same thing with his most famous herald Silver Surfer. Even with Quasars constructs they are weak to magic.

Also the strongest version of Hulk is not WWH its Surtur/Hulk. Read on who Surtur is before you make a statement like WWH being the strongest version. Then read in the Mangaverse this version of Hulk who was literally made to bring death to all the gods when something the regular Hulk can't even do to one.... Also Thor never fought him because it would have ended the entire serious with ease. Odinforce Thor vs a Hulk who had a few months of training on his fighting skills? thats a huge mix max the force can destroy and remake entire galaxies if used correctly Thor would have easily killed Hulk and Marvel would have lost all its fans. Don't bring up the Red Hulk fight either because Thor the first time hit him with baby hits and underestimated him.

Thor did send Juggernaut far away? He sent him to a place where Juggernaut took over. About the shield Thors hammer was able to ward off the magic shield of the gem. Juggernaut is even said to be vulnerable to magic attacks which is why special fire could flare him down to his bones but not normal fire. Thor did kind of beat himsenseless during those 60 seconds. You have to admit that. It was as bad as When Thor got beat by Mangog that one time but Thor did beat him pretty badly.


Why one earth shouldn't Thor have put him down with out his shield? Do you think Juggernaut as big and slow as he is should be able to do much to him? Thor should technically be able to dodge his hits.

You guys really need to take this discussion somewhere else.

Yeah, PLEASE discuss this somewhere else, you're ruining this RESPECT THREAD FOR BLUE MARVEL by turning it into a versus thread for Hulk, Juggs and Thor!

Yeah I was about to just say lets drop it and leave this at the Blue Marvel thread. Rather then Thor vs Hulk, Juggs.

Originally posted by BlueDMighty
"How powerful is He?"


http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/2867/bluemarvelflyingtheentehh7.jpg


just to let you guys know , enterprise US warship of 1960 era had a weight of 93,000 tons +

http://www.nvr.navy.mil/nvrships/details/CVN65.htm

Blue Marvel is crazy strong. I'm kinda happy marvel isn't forcing him on us like some other characters

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Age of heroes#3
VS king Hyperion

Originally posted by guy222
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... Strength: Lifts a building

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is this fight cannon?
Adam needs to be in a team

Correct me if I'm wrong but did he easily take out pagan? In the one picture right after the defeat of King hyperion? That looks like the brother or Lord templar? That fight with King hyperion can't really be cannon. It look real enough at first, but laying King hyperion down with one hit just because you cut loose? Were talking about King hyperion, not some new no name villain who came out of the blue sayin he conquered worlds and stuff. He was doing well takin that many blows, but one hitter quitter isn't going to make me believe sorry.

Originally posted by kakuzu
Correct me if I'm wrong but did he easily take out pagan? In the one picture right after the defeat of King hyperion? That looks like the brother or Lord templar?

I missed those guys. Back in avengers I enjoyed reading them

A few updates...


An OHOTMU bio:

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Blue Marvel vs. Hyperion:

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A decent lifting feat:

http://img815.imageshack.us/img815/5331/bm6k.th.jpg

Damn intelligence of 6

He did prove Reed and Tony wrong as far as the theory of anti-matter went.

^ That is impressive.

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Adam kills the physical form of Shuma:
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Saves Monica by using his anti-matter powers to infuse her with additional photons:
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Monica(amped by Adam) defeats the 'true' form of Shuma:
http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16944424_Mighty_Avengers_2013-_003-017.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16944425_Mighty_Avengers_2013-_003-018.jpg

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However, Shuma had already been 'softened up' just prior to Monica's attack:
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...So it was definitely a whole-team effort.