Rookie 9

Wil7

Originally posted by Kento
Naruto (tailed anyway)
Sasuke
Shino
Shikamaru
Hinata
Sakura
Choji/Kiba
Ino

Naruto is first, yeah, he probably wouldn't beat sauke without the tails.
I don't think Hinata is ahead of Sakura.
I think Kiba is ahead of Choji.
Ino is definetly the worst out of all of them.

Originally posted by TheBadguy
Neji
Sasuke
Lee
Shika
Naruto/Shino
Kiba
Ino/Sakura
Choji
Hinata

First of all, I said only the rookie 9, neji, and lee are not rookies.
Neji lost to Naruto, Shika is not ahead of Naruto, Shino is not tied with Naruto, Ino and Sakura are tied laughing

, Hinata isn't the worst, Ino is.

Without Neji, Lee, and Tenten
Naruto
Sasuke
Shino
Shikamaru
Kiba
Choji
Sakura
Hinata
and Ino

With Neji, Lee, and Tenten
Naruto
Neji
Lee
Sasuke
Shino
Shikamaru
Kiba
Choji
Tenten
Sakura
Hinata
and Ino

These are the best rookies best to worst IMO.

Wil7

Originally posted by TheBadguy
I was thinking he meant chuunin exam time for some reason, disregard my list if he means rank them in Shippuden.

Oh, forget what I said then, make the list on Shippuden.

Kento

Originally posted by Wil7
Naruto is first, yeah, he probably wouldn't beat sauke without the tails.
I don't think Hinata is ahead of Sakura.
I think Kiba is ahead of Choji.
Ino is definetly the worst out of all of them.
Hinata is more powerful. She's just scared of fighting. Plus deadlier fighting style, and bloodline limit makes me think she's stronger.

Chouji is stronger while Kiba is faster and has a partner. Both are pretty useless in a fight because they are weak though at least Chouji won his fight against a Sound 4 memeber.

Dark-Jaxx

Originally posted by TheBadguy
I was thinking he meant chuunin exam time for some reason, disregard my list if he means rank them in Shippuden. ...If your list was Chunin exam list, why the hell was Hinata lower than Sakura and Ino? no expression

TheBadguy

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
...If your list was Chunin exam list, why the hell was Hinata lower than Sakura and Ino? no expression

honestly I didn't really care about placement anymore after Naruto/Shino. its been some years now and I can't remember Hinata or Choji doing much of anything during the exam. I remember Hinata and Neji's fight slightly but I can't recall her doing anything but getting toyed with, but I remember Sakura and Ino putting on a decent fight.

NonSensi-Klown

Sawsgod
Naruto
Shikamaru
Neji
Rock Lee
Sakura
Shino
Kiba
Tenten
Hinata

yungz22

sasuke
shikamaru
shino
naruto
sakura
kiba
choji
hinata
ino

Terryc250

Current Sasuke would stomp out current Naruto... He's far more skilled/smarter/faster/ and has more ability.

Naruto's kyuubi power/control has not increased at all, Sasuke would just compress it like he did the first time.

And seriously, when has genjutsu ever NOT worked on Naruto?

Since the post time-skip the power gap between Naruto and Sasuke increased dramitically in Sasuke's favour, and now that he gained his new mangekyou haxx, Sasuke would rip Naruto a new one quite easily.
But once Naruto's hermit training is done, then it should be a good fight, but currently Naruto isn't up with Sasuke.

NonSensi-Klown

There's no proof that Sawsgay can supress the Kyuubi if Naruto is willingly letting it out.

And I feel that the hermit mode training is useless... he's getting more physical strength; hooray. Not going to help him against awsgod. Only chance I see is this supposed special chakra.

Kento

Originally posted by Terryc250
Current Sasuke would stomp out current Naruto... He's far more skilled/smarter/faster/ and has more ability.

Naruto's kyuubi power/control has not increased at all, Sasuke would just compress it like he did the first time.

And seriously, when has genjutsu ever NOT worked on Naruto?

Since the post time-skip the power gap between Naruto and Sasuke increased dramitically in Sasuke's favour, and now that he gained his new mangekyou haxx, Sasuke would rip Naruto a new one quite easily.
But once Naruto's hermit training is done, then it should be a good fight, but currently Naruto isn't up with Sasuke. I think 4-tail Naruto almost killing Jiraiya, and taking on Orochimaru just fine says otherwise. But that's just what I think. Sasuke may have his Mangekyou but he's still not as powerful as Jiraiya or Orochimaru or Itachi. And Sasuke isn't going to be supressing anything while he's being beaten. Sharingan isn't going to work with 4-tails just like it didn't work with 1-tails.

Genjutsu would be the only problem but even then I highly doubt it'll be much of a problem when Sasuke is to busy trying to defend himself from a faster, and stronger opponent that has chakra limbs that move in ways that Sasuke can't predict.

Terryc250

Naruto doesn't instantly go 4-tails, the earlier he stops it, the better. Sharingan > Kyuubi. Madara made the full Kyuubi his b1tch with his Sharingan, Sasuke can atleast supress its power. Also keep in mind that Kyuubi is sealed up by the 4th, and i highly doubt Kyuubi can take full control over Naruto, he can only gain some control when Naruto goes emo and the seal weakens.

And there's a huge difference between pre-timeskip and post-timeskip Sasuke, just because he couldn't do it in pre-timeskip doesn't mean he can't in post-timeskip.

30% Itachi probably could've killed Naruto with his finger if it weren't for Chiyo and Sakura to save him. He wouldn't have had time to go 4-tails.

Csdabest

Manga

Sasuke
Naruto
Shikamaru
Shino
Choji
Kiba
Hinata
Sakura
Ino

Shippuden as shown
Sasuke
Shikamaru
Naruto
Sakura
Choji
shino
Hinata
Ino
Kiba

Chuunin
Sasuke
Naruto
Shikamaru
Kiba
Choji
Hinata
Ino

yada yada yada

Sasuke came out oin top out of the rookie 9 at the end of each arc pretyy much. and neji and lee are not part of the rookie 9. But part of konoha's 11

Kento

Originally posted by Terryc250
Naruto doesn't instantly go 4-tails, the earlier he stops it, the better. Sharingan > Kyuubi. Madara made the full Kyuubi his b1tch with his Sharingan, Sasuke can atleast supress its power. Also keep in mind that Kyuubi is sealed up by the 4th, and i highly doubt Kyuubi can take full control over Naruto, he can only gain some control when Naruto goes emo and the seal weakens.

And there's a huge difference between pre-timeskip and post-timeskip Sasuke, just because he couldn't do it in pre-timeskip doesn't mean he can't in post-timeskip.

30% Itachi probably could've killed Naruto with his finger if it weren't for Chiyo and Sakura to save him. He wouldn't have had time to go 4-tails. Naruto usually doesn't talk with Kyuubi and tell him he's not going to let him come out either. Which is when Sasuke supressed him. When Naruto was already about to and wasn't letting him come out.

Kakashi wouldn't have let Naruto go 4-tails anyway. Jiraiya gave him a seal that stops it. Naruto has made deals with Kyuubi before also. So there is nothing stopping him from getting out of genjutsu the same way Killer Bee did. With the help of his demon. Though if only Naruto was actually smart enough but when all else fails he usually turns to Kyuubi anyway. And Kyuubi usually obliges because he needs Naruto to survive.

NonSensi-Klown

Originally posted by Terryc250
Madara made the full Kyuubi his b1tch with his Sharingan, Sasuke can atleast supress its power.

Fellacious thinking. For all we know, Madara's Sharingan can be a thousand times more powerful than Sawsgay's.

Terryc250

But there's no evidence that Sasuke couldn't have done it. By the words of Kyuubi, he says that Naruto goes Kyuubi mode by Kyuubi lending Naruto his power , and he also says Unbelievable, you can even supress my power. Going by word logic, Sasuke can supress the link in which Naruto goes Kyuubi.

Of all the hundreds of times Naruto got caught in genjutsu, he's never had a deal with Kyuubi to break free out of it, everytime Itachi catches him, and he knows he's in genjutsu, he doesn't know what to do and just fails. Killer Bee has basically complete control over his Bijuu, Naruto doesn't.

Not really, Sasuke's current sharingan is the same form as Madara's, Madara is just more skilled with it.

tomoes>mangekyou>mutiple sharingan , both of them are at the multiple sharingan state, as both of their brothers gave them their sharingan

Csdabest

Dark-Jaxx

Originally posted by Terryc250
Not really, Sasuke's current sharingan is the same form as Madara's, Madara is just more skilled with it.

tomoes>mangekyou>mutiple sharingan , both of them are at the multiple sharingan state, as both of their brothers gave them their sharingan No it's not, otherwise, Sasuke would not be slowly going blind, IIRC, he is.

Csdabest

Still EMS is not needed to control Kyuubi. Just MS. And if Sasuke was able to surpress Kyuubi power with just 3 tomoe. Somehting that as said to be possible,. Hed should be able to control it now.

Kento

Originally posted by Terryc250
But there's no evidence that Sasuke couldn't have done it. By the words of Kyuubi, he says that Naruto goes Kyuubi mode by Kyuubi lending Naruto his power , and he also says Unbelievable, you can even supress my power. Going by word logic, Sasuke can supress the link in which Naruto goes Kyuubi.

Of all the hundreds of times Naruto got caught in genjutsu, he's never had a deal with Kyuubi to break free out of it, everytime Itachi catches him, and he knows he's in genjutsu, he doesn't know what to do and just fails. Killer Bee has basically complete control over his Bijuu, Naruto doesn't People seem to forget that Kyuubi was busy begging to be let out anyway which gave Sasuke the time to even attempt to go into Naruto's head, and he came in when Naruto was already about to supress it anyway. Naruto usually just lets him out and becomes tails nearly instantly. Sasuke wouldn't get that chance if Naruto was actually fighting him and not worrying about using Kyuubi. There is a big difference in doing something in battle and doing something against a guy that doesn't want to fight you and against something that's not really even out in the first place and is trying to get out.

Originally posted by Csdabest
Still EMS is not needed to control Kyuubi. Just MS. And if Sasuke was able to surpress Kyuubi power with just 3 tomoe. Somehting that as said to be possible,. Hed should be able to control it now. Except Sasuke isn't as powerful as Madara. So why should we think he can control it?

Dark-Jaxx

Originally posted by Csdabest
Still EMS is not needed to control Kyuubi. Prove it, only time the full power of the Kyuubi was controlled was with EMS.

And then we have the fact that Madara is much more powerful than Sasuke.

NonSensi-Klown

Originally posted by Terryc250
But there's no evidence that Sasuke couldn't have done it.

Besides the fact that he failed to keep Kirabi from doing it?

A) There is no such thing as "word" logic.

B) Going by ""context", which does exist, Naruto was already trying to suppress it himself. "There's no evidence to think Sawsgay could do it if Naruto wasn't resisting.

We don't know that. You know how Kishi is, I wouldn't be surprised if he brought our some new bullshit. But that's irrellevent, we've never seen Madar fight seriously, so we have no idea what his range of powers are.

Csdabest

wow. your rejecting information from BOTH MANGA AND DATABOOK. Just stop your wrong. Kyuubi specifically said that SASUKE supressed his power. Not Naruto. Naruto was just refusing to use that power. and The databook then goes on to confirm that Sasuke's sharingan awakened that cursed power to even supress the power of a bijuu. Kyuubi=Bijuu. Then it goes on to state that sasuke showed a portion of that power when he surpressed kyuubi and tgamed and controlled manda against its very own will.

NonSensi-Klown

Originally posted by Csdabest
Kyuubi specifically said that SASUKE supressed his power. Not Naruto.

Context.

Link me to the databook.

Kento

Originally posted by Csdabest
wow. your rejecting information from BOTH MANGA AND DATABOOK. Just stop your wrong. Kyuubi specifically said that SASUKE supressed his power. Not Naruto. Naruto was just refusing to use that power. and The databook then goes on to confirm that Sasuke's sharingan awakened that cursed power to even supress the power of a bijuu. Kyuubi=Bijuu. Then it goes on to state that sasuke showed a portion of that power when he surpressed kyuubi and tgamed and controlled manda against its very own will. How does putting genjutsu on Manda = supressing demons inside people?

Dark-Jaxx

Originally posted by Csdabest
wow. your rejecting information from BOTH MANGA AND DATABOOK. Just stop your wrong. Kyuubi specifically said that SASUKE supressed his power. Not Naruto. Naruto was just refusing to use that power. and The databook then goes on to confirm that Sasuke's sharingan awakened that cursed power to even supress the power of a bijuu. Kyuubi=Bijuu. Then it goes on to state that sasuke showed a portion of that power when he surpressed kyuubi and tgamed and controlled manda against its very own will. If he can supress any Biju, why did he not use it against Kirabi?

Quincy

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
If he can supress any Biju, why did he not use it against Kirabi?

Word^

And besides, Naruto could even unleash the Kyuubi chakra after Neji used his gentle fist to close off all of his chakra points.

Wil7

Originally posted by Kento
Hinata is more powerful. She's just scared of fighting. Plus deadlier fighting style, and bloodline limit makes me think she's stronger.

Chouji is stronger while Kiba is faster and has a partner. Both are pretty useless in a fight because they are weak though at least Chouji won his fight against a Sound 4 memeber.

No she isn't. Sakura can heal any of the attacks that Hinata connects, and Sakura would punch her to death. Bloodline limit doesn't make her stronger.

Choji has strength, but Kiba's speed would beat Choji badly. Just because Choji won his fight against the Sound 4 doesn't make him stronger. Kiba was fighting the best of the 4, and choji fought the weakest. Big difference.

Csdabest

Originally posted by Kento
How does putting genjutsu on Manda = supressing demons inside people?
It was speculated by Suigetsu that it was genjutsu.

The databook states Sasuke controlled Manda. And Manda even confirms he was controlled.

Csdabest

Actual Pages. Want me to post the raw as well.

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Sorry for the multiple posting. But the character cap is not allowing me to post the full thing

Terryc250

I'd definately agree more with the Official Databook then you.

You guys must keep in mind that:

a) Kirabi has mastered his 8-tails bijuu and can basically use it at its full potential, transforming into the bijuu at will.

b) Sasuke isn't a master of the Sharingan yet, and cannot use it at its full potential yet, whereas Madara/Itachi could probably make any full-powered Bijuu their b*tch

c) Naruto cannot use his bijuu at all, and can only borrow some of his power.

Kirabi's mastery over his Bijuu > Sasuke's current mastery over his Sharingan.

Sasuke's current mastery over Sharingan > Naruto's current mastery over his Bijuu

Sasuke can supress Naruto's Bijuu power (as it was shown and stated).

And I'm pretty sure Kishi won't ever let Naruto master his Bijuu, but just let him have kyuubi's monstrous chakra, i'm anticipating a fight by skills between Naruto(after training) and Sasuke, not Sasuke vs Kyuubi.

Sasuke is going blind?

Kento

Originally posted by Wil7
No she isn't. Sakura can heal any of the attacks that Hinata connects, and Sakura would punch her to death. Bloodline limit doesn't make her stronger.

Choji has strength, but Kiba's speed would beat Choji badly. Just because Choji won his fight against the Sound 4 doesn't make him stronger. Kiba was fighting the best of the 4, and choji fought the weakest. Big difference. Sakura doesn't have Tsunade's heal anything jutsu..She can't heal herself from dying which Hyuuga Style can do if they are serious. And Sakura having super strength and chakra control doesn't make her more powerful.

Kiba and Chouji are still pretty much even. What one lacks the other has.

@Csdabest - Genjutsu can control somebody. Itachi did it with a girl.

Terryc250

Sakura has improved a ton since the timeskip, she was trained by Tsunade afterall, Hinata can take Sakura out in a couple hits yes, but Sakura can take Hinata out in a single hit. Sakura has a much better fighting spirit, speed, power, and is overall a better fighter.

Kento

Originally posted by Terryc250
Sakura has improved a ton since the timeskip, she was trained by Tsunade afterall, Hinata can take Sakura out in a couple hits yes, but Sakura can take Hinata out in a single hit. Sakura has a much better fighting spirit, speed, power, and is overall a better fighter. I wouldn't say speed. And I'm sure any Hyuuga could one-shot a person even Hinata by destroying the heart if they got serious. Sakura has the will to fight sure but if Hinata ever actually got over her fear of fighting I think she'd be a weaker Neji which makes me think she'd be better than Sakura. After all the Hyuuga style > any other fighting style.

Csdabest

Originally posted by Kento
Sakura doesn't have Tsunade's heal anything jutsu..She can't heal herself from dying which Hyuuga Style can do if they are serious. And Sakura having super strength and chakra control doesn't make her more powerful.

Kiba and Chouji are still pretty much even. What one lacks the other has.

@Csdabest - Genjutsu can control somebody. Itachi did it with a girl.

Yeah aswell as Zabuza by kakashi. Via Hypnosis. How Manda was done was simply stated to be controlled and Suigetsu assumed it was genjutsu. So from his pov it was speculation. Manda said he was controlled. And the DB said Sasuke sharingan showed portion of the Bijuu subdueing power by controlling Manda. The true answer will be revealed when the story goes in dept with how Sharingan controls and subues bijuus

Terryc250

Originally posted by Kento
I wouldn't say speed. And I'm sure any Hyuuga could one-shot a person even Hinata by destroying the heart if they got serious. Sakura has the will to fight sure but if Hinata ever actually got over her fear of fighting I think she'd be a weaker Neji which makes me think she'd be better than Sakura. After all the Hyuuga style > any other fighting style.

Its not as easy as it sounds, because Sakura is quite skilled from her Tsunade training and wouldn't be standing there. Sakura is able to shatter Hinatas bones quite easily imo, and render Hinata ineffective. Yes potentially Hinata can become a great taijutsu fighter, but at their current levels, Sakura is alot more superior in my opinion.

Dark-Jaxx

Originally posted by Terryc250
Sasuke is going blind? Yes, he is. After bringing back Kirabi, they show a panel which is from Sasuke's perspective and it shows his vision getting blurry. He is slowly going blind.

And IIRC, the only character in the series to completely control a Biju with the Sharingan was Madara at the height of his power with the EMS.

Terryc250

ic, i thought it was just a straining effect from overusing the mangekyou too much, the way he put his hand on his eye/head as soon as it did that effect.

Yeah Madara did it multiple times against the full powered Bijuu itself, Sasuke however, can atleast supress Naruto borrowing Kyuubis power.

Wil7

Originally posted by Kento
Sakura doesn't have Tsunade's heal anything jutsu..She can't heal herself from dying which Hyuuga Style can do if they are serious. And Sakura having super strength and chakra control doesn't make her more powerful.

Kiba and Chouji are still pretty much even. What one lacks the other has.

She doesn't need the heal anything jutsu(there is no dot on her forehead), but she is past Shizune in healing, and Shizune was able to heal her muscles. Anyways it would be hard for Hinata to dodge Sakura's punch to the ground consitantly.

Kiba>Choji because he would use fang over fang, or even Man Beast Combination Transformation: Double-Headed Wolf to beat him.

Dark-Jaxx

Originally posted by Terryc250
ic, i thought it was just a straining effect from overusing the mangekyou too much, the way he put his hand on his eye/head as soon as it did that effect.

Yeah Madara did it multiple times against the full powered Bijuu itself, Sasuke however, can atleast supress Naruto borrowing Kyuubis power. 1. Exactly. The side effect is slowly losing your sight, as Itachi stated, and as Itachi was. Madara was blind until he took his brother's eyes.

2. Borrowing, sure, but even that is debatable.

Pwning the full power of any Biju? No.

Terryc250

1) If that was straining, in the same way he strained when he put out amaterasu, it does not mean he is losing his eyesight, it simply means its hurting him from overusing it.

2) Like i said before, "pwning the full power of a Bijuu" a mastered Sharingan can do that yes.

Naruto however, does not have a the full power of a Bijuu, nor does Sasuke have a mastered Sharingan

But Sasukes mastery over his Sharingan > Naruto's over his Bijuu.

Therefore Sasuke can supress Naruto's Bijuu power, as it was both stated and shown.

Dark-Jaxx

Originally posted by Terryc250
1) If that was straining, in the same way he strained when he put out amaterasu, it does not mean he is losing his eyesight, it simply means its hurting him from overusing it.

2) Like i said before, "pwning the full power of a Bijuu" a mastered Sharingan can do that yes.

Naruto however, does not have a the full power of a Bijuu, nor does Sasuke have a mastered Sharingan

But Sasukes mastery over his Sharingan > Naruto's over his Bijuu.

Therefore Sasuke can supress Naruto's Bijuu power, as it was both stated and shown. 1. So we ignore all the statements that a normal MS user(like Sasuke) loses their site when using the MS, that Itachi, who was stronger than Sasuke, was damn close to losing his eyesight completely, and the fact that we get a blatant on-panel implication that the deterioration of Sasuke's eyesight, and instead say, he might not be losing it, with basically no evidence to support that notion and overwhelming evidence to support the opposite?

2. A mastered Eternal Sharingan. Which Sasuke does not, and never will, have.

Naruto can go up to Four Tails, which is over 4 times as much as Sasuke was shown to suppress.

Not true, he can go three tails without losing control, only when he goes four does he.

It was shown that Sasuke could suppress the Kyuubi from allowing Naruto to borrow a minute fraction, and that was while Naruto was not cooperating with Kyuubi, there is no evidence he could stop a tailed, cooperating Naruto.

Terryc250

Huh? Why would Sasuke be a "normal" sharingan user? Itachi gave his sharingan into him, just as Madara's brother gave his sharingan to Madara.

I said, IF that was just a after-effect of straining from overusing the amaterasu, that would not mean his eyesight is deteriorating, just because you have an eternal sharingan, does not mean you can spam mangekyou without straining yourself.

2) You can control Bijuu with any sharingan, its stated in the databook. Sasuke's sharingan is at the same level as Madara's his starshape is the product of both him and his brothers sharingan, just as http://cdimg1.crunchyroll.com/i/spire3/05112008/f/4/4/f/f44fa17516bc60_full.gif is the product of both Madara's and his brother.

Naruto cannot go up to 4-tails instantly. Sasuke can supress Naruto before he reaches that.

Naruto borrows Kyuubi's power to go kyuubi mode, Kyuubi states himself that Sasuke is able to supress his power, if Naruto borrows Kyuubi's power, and Sasuke can supress it, that is the same as stopping him from going Kyuubi.

Besides the fact that it was shown in the manga, the evidence is shown right in the databook as well, its stated Sasuke can supress Naruto's kyuubi.

Kyuubi even knows Sasuke can kill Naruto now because he can supress his power, if Kyuubi can give Naruto power that Sasuke cannot supress, why would he be scared for Naruto's life? Instead of saying "Do not kill Naruto", he should be begging Naruto "Just let me give you power".

Dark-Jaxx

Originally posted by Terryc250
Huh? Why would Sasuke be a "normal" sharingan user? Itachi gave his sharingan into him, just as Madara's brother gave his sharingan to Madara.

I said, IF that was just a after-effect of straining from overusing the amaterasu, that would not mean his eyesight is deteriorating, just because you have an eternal sharingan, does not mean you can spam mangekyou without straining yourself.

2) You can control Bijuu with any sharingan, its stated in the databook. Sasuke's sharingan is at the same level as Madara's his starshape is the product of both him and his brothers sharingan, just as http://cdimg1.crunchyroll.com/i/spire3/05112008/f/4/4/f/f44fa17516bc60_full.gif is the product of both Madara's and his brother.

Naruto cannot go up to 4-tails instantly. Sasuke can supress Naruto before he reaches that.

Naruto borrows Kyuubi's power to go kyuubi mode, Kyuubi states himself that Sasuke is able to supress his power, if Naruto borrows Kyuubi's power, and Sasuke can supress it, that is the same as stopping him from going Kyuubi.

Besides the fact that it was shown in the manga, the evidence is shown right in the databook as well, its stated Sasuke can supress Naruto's kyuubi.

Kyuubi even knows Sasuke can kill Naruto now because he can supress his power, if Kyuubi can give Naruto power that Sasuke cannot supress, why would he be scared for Naruto's life? Instead of saying "Do not kill Naruto", he should be begging Naruto "Just let me give you power". 1. Because he has shown less talent with the Mangekyo Sharingan than even his brother. Itachi did not implant his Sharingan into him, that would literally require ripping his own eyes out and putting them into Sasuke's(however the hell that would work).

It was an after-effect. But said after-effect only happens to those who have a normal Mangekyo Sharingan, not an Eternal one like Madara's. Actually, having an Eternal means that your eyesight does not deteriorate at all. Does that mean you have infinite chakra? No, it means you can use MS as much as you desire without losing your eyesight.

2. I guess that's why Sasuke showed some impressive Biju controlling while fighting Kirabi. And no, it is not on the same level as Madara's, this is shown by the deteriorating eyesight, the blurry vision. When Madara's Sharingan went Eternal,"The darkness never came again," Sasuke is already feeling MS side effects. Sasuke never even HAD an MS, so it cannot be a combo of both.

He can reach Three Tails instantly. IIRC.

Can he stop him from borrowing a small fraction? Sure.

Control an unrestrained Kyuubi? Nah.

Which he can, but it is not proven that he can do it to a much higher level of Kyuubi.

Gee, it prolly has something to do with Naruto being a pussy who never wants to use Kyuubi again?

Terryc250

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. Because he has shown less talent with the Mangekyo Sharingan than even his brother. Itachi did not implant his Sharingan into him, that would literally require ripping his own eyes out and putting them into Sasuke's(however the hell that would work).
Sasuke has Itachi's sharingan in his, thats why he is able to use tsukiyomi, and amaterasu, it says right in the databook its from Itachi.

Lol no one knows how it works, but its not like Madara took it and forced it into his own eye sockets, or ate it or somethin, there is most likely a symbolic way of obtaining the power of their brothers eyes

IF it was straining aftereffect it wouldn't neccerarily mean he's going blind, there's difference between merely straining from overusing something, and going blind. MS requires chakra, even if Madara spams MS he'll strain, he won't go blind, but it'll definately hurt him.

Like i've said a couple times before, Kirabi has full control over his Bijuu, Naruto does not. Kirabi can transform into his full form Bijuu, Naruto cannot.

Naruto has very little control over his Bijuu, and can only borrow some of its power, which is what Sasuke is able to supress at their current levels.

No he can't

What is an "unrestrained Kyuubi"? Naruto can only borrow his powers, either that, or he can permanantly rip the seal off and he'll die (thats IF he can rip off the seal)

Naruto can only borrow his powers, thats all, Kyuubi states himself that Sasuke is able to supress his power, if Naruto can use its full form like Kirabee (which he can't) and actually fully transform into Kyuubi, then Sasuke probably cannot supress that with his current level of Sharingan.

But Naruto's current power over his bijuu is merely him borrowing some of its power, Sasuke can overcome that with his sharingan.

More likely that Sasuke is able to supress his power so Kyuubi cannot protect him anymore, thats why he fears for Naruto's life.