Im pretty sure Future Trunks is alot stronger than cell. If he was developed he most likely could have been as strong as Gohan at the end of DBZ all Mystic and crap. Trunks was actually stronger the cell. And just about as strong as him before he buffed all out going all grade 3 Ronnie Coldman on Cell. So definetly Future Trunks.
The present was not ready for the strength of Trunks.
Yep. If future Trunks storyline was continued and he was developed on into the buu saga w/ justice. He most likely would have been the second strongest w/ a doubt in my mind. He was already surpassing his father in strength. Just battle tactics was in favor of Vegeta and he was just a smart fighter.
The main reason why FTrunks is stronger is because his life was alot ruffer and he has been trainning and fighting his entire life. GT trunks had it easy. Hurts my feelings Ftrunks was just kicked out of the story when he went back to the future. Should have just stayed in the present and trainned with Vegeta.
Originally posted by Csdabest
Yep. If future Trunks storyline was continued and he was developed on into the buu saga w/ justice. He most likely would have been the second strongest w/ a doubt in my mind. He was already surpassing his father in strength. Just battle tactics was in favor of Vegeta and he was just a smart fighter.The main reason why FTrunks is stronger is because his life was alot ruffer and he has been trainning and fighting his entire life. GT trunks had it easy. Hurts my feelings Ftrunks was just kicked out of the story when he went back to the future. Should have just stayed in the present and trainned with Vegeta.
His power in the same form as Vegeta- "Regular" Super Saiyan 1 isn't higher than Vegeta's. He's stronger than Vegeta as a "bulked up" Super Saiyan, but slower- Cell ridiculed him for that and Trunks realised why his father had apparently stopped getting stronger- because he had been working on speed, and presumably been trying to reach Super Saiyan 2. Vegeta's control of energy is greater (Trunks and Cell were amazed by the degree of focus in Vegeta's Final Flash attack) and his speed and strength at Super Saiyan 1 are slightly higher, but he can't turn into a bulked up Super Saiyan.
I agree that Future Trunks is stronger than GT Trunks tho- GT Trunks is a wimp. Goku's power drops sharply when he's turned into a kid, but he's still a better fighter than Trunks is. Trunks doesn't even fly much, he uses a car instead, and spends his time managing capsule corp instead of training.
I could have sworn Vegeta stated that trunks or it was trunks that stated He was stronger in the same form as vegeta and was holding back his power. difference is and I agree vegeta skills and tactics are better. Trunks was still beating the crap out of Cell If remember serves me right before he went all sluggishly slow. Just he didnt really have enough power to put him down for the count. So he kept bulking up and getting stronger and slower and stop beating the crap out of him as he got slower. Trunks at a time could have very well destroyed cell if he wasnt childish. Which is why i say that if Trunks stayed in the present. and trainned. He would have most likely been a hell alot stronger than Vegeta by the time Buu came along.
Originally posted by Csdabest
I could have sworn Vegeta stated that trunks or it was trunks that stated He was stronger in the same form as vegeta and was holding back his power. difference is and I agree vegeta skills and tactics are better. Trunks was still beating the crap out of Cell If remember serves me right before he went all sluggishly slow. Just he didnt really have enough power to put him down for the count. So he kept bulking up and getting stronger and slower and stop beating the crap out of him as he got slower. Trunks at a time could have very well destroyed cell if he wasnt childish. Which is why i say that if Trunks stayed in the present. and trainned. He would have most likely been a hell alot stronger than Vegeta by the time Buu came along.
Trunks did say he had surpassed Vegeta in strength, and was holding back, before he fought Cell. Cell is toying with him at first- and Trunks isn't winning- before he goes Ultra. Cell tries to compete with him in terms of strength at first, to test out his body, and Trunks is stronger. However Cell's speed is much greater, and after he mocks Trunks about his slow speed, Trunks says that that was what Vegeta was doing in the final months of training- trying to increase his strength without decreasing his speed. Trunks absolute power is greater- he can punch harder and output more energy than Vegeta in SSJ Ultra. However he would lose in a fight with Vegeta at this stage.
Trunks is clearly not stronger than Cell at the time of the Tournament, or at least not enough to beat Cell. Vegeta is stronger than Cell, in the sense that when he goes berserk after Cell kills Trunks, Cell can't block or dodge his attack. However, he's not able to defeat Cell, who regenerates stronger still (due to Vegeta's own DNA, ironically).
Originally posted by Csdabest
The main reason why FTrunks is stronger is because his life was alot ruffer and he has been trainning and fighting his entire life. GT trunks had it easy. Hurts my feelings Ftrunks was just kicked out of the story when he went back to the future. Should have just stayed in the present and trainned with Vegeta. [/B]
I'm not saying MainTimeline Trunks is stronger, i'm just saying MainTimeline Trunks had potential to be far more powerful then Future Trunks, his 'ruffer life' didn't really have anything to do with him being more powerful, most of his power came from him coming to the main timeline, and actually training seriously, unlike his MainTimeline counterpart.
Well, genetically they're both identical. They should have the same potential power, but their actual power differs due to Future Trunks being much more similar to Goku and Vegeta (he's had to grow up hard, and thinks like a warrior), while Chibi Trunks/GT Trunks, despite Vegeta's best efforts, has grown up soft due to the peaceful times.
Incidentally, although there's nothing in the manga or anime to explain this, the number of Super Saiyans, and the increasingly young age at which they attain Super Saiyan status, seems to suggest that there's some sort of external stimulus that's triggering Super Saiyans to emerge- consider that Goten and Trunks didn't undergo the same extreme emotions in order to transform that Goku and Vegeta did.
This is just speculation, but given that the Super Saiyan state is only used for fighting highly dangerous opponents, since it can only be sustained for a finite period of time, isn't it possible that the Saiyan race has evolved so that the presence of several nearby Super Saiyans could trigger other saiyans to transform? After all, if times were so dangerous that there were Super Saiyains using their full power regularly, then from an evolutionary point of view the Saiyans are better off with more Super Saiyans. However, due to the stress it places on the body, weaker individuals would be worse off turning into Super Saiyans if it was unecessary. So, it would make sense if Saiyans reacted to other Saiyans transforming near them- and since Vegeta transforms into a Super Saiyan regularly while training with Trunks, this would mean Trunks would be more likely to transform into a Super Saiyan despite his young age.
Like I said, that's just speculation- make of it what you will.
Originally posted by jimBOFH
Well, genetically they're both identical. They should have the same potential power, but their actual power differs due to Future Trunks being much more similar to Goku and Vegeta (he's had to grow up hard, and thinks like a warrior), while Chibi Trunks/GT Trunks, despite Vegeta's best efforts, has grown up soft due to the peaceful times.Incidentally, although there's nothing in the manga or anime to explain this, the number of Super Saiyans, and the increasingly young age at which they attain Super Saiyan status, seems to suggest that there's some sort of external stimulus that's triggering Super Saiyans to emerge- consider that Goten and Trunks didn't undergo the same extreme emotions in order to transform that Goku and Vegeta did.
This is just speculation, but given that the Super Saiyan state is only used for fighting highly dangerous opponents, since it can only be sustained for a finite period of time, isn't it possible that the Saiyan race has evolved so that the presence of several nearby Super Saiyans could trigger other saiyans to transform? After all, if times were so dangerous that there were Super Saiyains using their full power regularly, then from an evolutionary point of view the Saiyans are better off with more Super Saiyans. However, due to the stress it places on the body, weaker individuals would be worse off turning into Super Saiyans if it was unecessary. So, it would make sense if Saiyans reacted to other Saiyans transforming near them- and since Vegeta transforms into a Super Saiyan regularly while training with Trunks, this would mean Trunks would be more likely to transform into a Super Saiyan despite his young age.
Like I said, that's just speculation- make of it what you will.
I respect your thought and speculation. But it took me like 5 reads to understand what the hell you were trying to say. But it made sense in the end/
Potential as in, to get stronger, not genetically speaking but in terms of lifestyle, because they both are living different lives with different people. The point i was trying to make was that Future Trunks rough life didn't really have much do to with his power.
For example, Future Trunks(with his rough life) at 8 years old vs MainTimeline Trunks at 8 years(with his casual laidback life) , who would win? Maintimeline Trunks would curbstomp FutureTrunks, because he is already a super saiyan at age 8.
But now that i think about it, i guess his rough life actually does have something to do with his power, in terms of mentality, he has a higher fighting spirit.
To Future Trunks, power/strength is far more important to him because of the harsh life he and his family/friends had to live because he lacked strength, thats why even though he lacked the resources in his timeline, he took full advantage of it when he came to the main timeline, and trained seriously, unlike MT Trunks who doesn't take training seriously, which in the end made FutureTrunks more powerful then MainTimeline Trunks.
Well, while he's a kid, MT Trunks is trained by Vegeta pretty much non-stop, which would account for his superior strength at age 8, with and without super saiyan.
However, unlike Future Trunks, he doesn't really think the same way Vegeta does- he's not focussed on training and fighting, which in the end makes him weaker than Future Trunks.
Originally posted by jimBOFH
Really? There's no official power levels, but it seems like it has, excluding SSJ4. Either that or Vegeta has become a lot stronger since EoZ.
Mind you this is Base Goku. It took Super Buu and SSJ3 Gotenks to blow away a dimensional wall back in Z.