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With a twist. Shikamaru is in the forest of death and he knows that Sasuke is looking for him, to kill him. He has twenty minutes to prepare for Sasuke's arrival. Shikamaru for the intents of this fight also knows about Sasuke's powers. Sasuke does not know that Shikamaru is knows he is coming. Can Shikamaru beat him with 20 minutes of prep and knowledge of his abilities?

Equipment-

Shikamaru has 2 flashbangs, kunai, shuriken, and 20 exploding tags.

Sasuke has the use of his sword and can use all of the abilities that he has shown the ability to use in the manga so far, which means no Susanoo.

As already mentioned, the fight takes place in the forest of death.

Sasuke walks right into a trap that consist of the flashbangs blinding him while also serving the purpose of Shikamaru using shadow bind on him as exploding tags blow up collapsing trees onto Sasuke since he's unable to move.

Shikamaru.

Shikamaru has always been able to get the better of his foes using his vast strategic abilities. Throughout the story, he is forced to come up with a strategy while in the middle of a battle, while having to figure out his opponents abilities, including an immortal Akatsuki member.

This match however, Shikamaru has preparation time, as well as full knowledge on the abilities of his opponent. Not to mention he has the element of surprise, and knowledge of the terrain. I have full confidence that Shikamaru would be able to outsmart Sasuke in this fight, whether by tricking him, or trapping him.

Sasuke wins, Sasuke is quite smart himself.

Shika is really smart, but hes not out of this world smart.

His most impressive feat was outsmarting Hidan, and in my opinion, Hidan is quite unintelligent, Shikamaru also had all the time he wanted to prep, and still that was pretty close, Shikamaru didn't like curbstomp him with prep.

Everyone Shikamaru outsmarts aren't quite intelligent imo,
He still lost to Tayuya
And he lost to Temari

He needs to have a teammate or some kind of aid, like Kakashi giving him blood, or Temari coming to save him from Tayuya.

Sasuke is on a whole diferent level then these guys that Shikamaru outsmarted, not only is Sasuke a genius himself, he has Mangekyou Sharingan, and a ton of abilities and tricks up his sleeve, Sasuke will finish Shikamaru.

Actually Temari herself was stated to be a genius who can think ten steps ahead of her opponent if I recall. Though I could be wrong. And Shikamaru was extremely weak compared to any of his team and Sasuke and still managed to hold off Tayuya without getting hurt while the rest were near death by the end.

And he had to think of everything on the fly. He knows Sasuke is coming, he has time to prep, he isn't fighting an immortal, and Sasuke doesn't know about anything. Shikamaru has a good shot at winning. Not in a straight up fight. He'd been beaten if Sasuke was placed against him randomly like Temari or Tayuya was but he's not.

Yes but seriously, Tayuya and Temari are not even a fraction as dangerous as Sasuke is, nor do they have Sharingan which can predict movements, or mangekyou which can kill Shikamaru basically instantly on sight, or any other of Sasukes lightning abilities or jutsus, nor are they as smart as Sasuke, but yet Shikamaru still lost.

Now put Shikamaru against an actually more dangerous opponent, Hidan, who isn't as smart as Sasuke, doesn't have prediction abilities, or the other versatile abilities that Sasuke has, and give Shikamaru basically unlimited prep time to make that entire trap thing (which he doesn't i this fight), and STILL it was pretty close, infact if Kakashi didn't give Shikamaru the capsule Shikamaru could've died there

Eh Sasuke isn't exactly smart. Not that Temari or Tayuya showed much brains either. Still sharingan only works if it can see. Flashbangs cure that for the first part. And Shikamaru is given knowledge about the sharingan for this battle. Shikamaru also didn't start actually training and had low chakra reserves during the first half of Naruto. It wasn't until all his friends nearly died that he began to get serious at getting stronger. If post-time skip Shika was to go back and fight pre-time skip Temari or Tayuya he'd have a lot more chakra and I doubt he'd loose or give up which was the case with Temari. Even then you still have to admit the weakest being the only one to come out unhurt is pretty impressive during the SR arc.

Shika's match against Hidan is completely different. Hidan could only be stopped in one way, and he also used Hidan to take out one of Kakuzu's hearts before he finished him off with a plan he could've done without the need for theatrics.

Sasuke not smart? How so? Sasuke is a genius. He escaped Deidaras bombs many times due to his smarts, and even escaped his 10mile radius on the fly in the nick of time with his brain. If Shikamaru were to go back and time and fight the genins obviously he would win.

Actually the deception helped Shikamaru greatly, after his shadow stopped working Hidan stopped attacking once he thought he had him already, transformed, stabbed himself, turned around and walked away, which let Shikamaru recover, almost decapitate him, and beat him.

Sawsgay would have lost teh fight against Deidera if it weren't for his raiton element naturally nullifying the inhaled bombs. Deidera was at a disadvantage from the get go. The fight shouldn't have even gotten to the point where Deidera blew himself up. That was luck.

Sasuke would have killed dei in a second if he was aiming for him and if Tobi wasnt there. Do people realize that Sasuke was in trouble cuz he couldnt move around freely. Elemental advantage. Dei had Range advantage and sky to ground range.

Considering Sawsgay can fly with CS2 and has a plethora of long range attacks at his disposal, no Deidera doesn't have much of a range advantage. And even if he did, being able to instantly nullify one of your opponents strongest moves > a nonexistent range advantage.

Tobi was a virtual nonfactor, and kill him in a second? lulz, I doubt that. Sawsgay admitted himself that he barely won, I believe.

I usually agree with whatever the NSK says.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Sasuke not smart? How so? Sasuke is a genius. He escaped Deidaras bombs many times due to his smarts, and even escaped his 10mile radius on the fly in the nick of time with his brain. If Shikamaru were to go back and time and fight the genins obviously he would win.

Actually the deception helped Shikamaru greatly, after his shadow stopped working Hidan stopped attacking once he thought he had him already, transformed, stabbed himself, turned around and walked away, which let Shikamaru recover, almost decapitate him, and beat him. Sasuke being a good fighter doesn't make him a genius at all. He's a skilled fighter with a hax bloodline limit nothing else.

No he escaped Deidara's bombs by having the elemental advantage and having the sharingan. He won't have the ability to completely null any attack Shikamaru does, and he won't be expecting anything Shikamaru can come up with in twenty minutes.

Wasn't the blood all part of Shikamaru's plan anyway to trick Hidan?

Off topic - kento, who do you like most in Naruto? Same for you Nonsensi

Shikamaru or Tobi back before we learned he was Madara.

Favorite character is Temari with Neji as a close second.

Originally posted by Kento
Sasuke being a good fighter doesn't make him a genius at all. He's a skilled fighter with a hax bloodline limit nothing else.
He's a genius because he learns quick, and acts/plans quick in battle.


He also thought on the fly the only way to escape by controlling Manda, and other things. Seriously there's not much shikamaru can do, if he uses his shadow on Sasuke, he's basically finished, sasuke will know where he is, and either overpower his shadow, or tsukiyomi him, or something, Shikamaru won't beableto finish him with just exploding tags and kunai's.

Yeah but its still something kakashi gave to him to help decieve Hidan.

Originally posted by Terryc250
He also thought on the fly the only way to escape by controlling Manda, and other things.

By this logic, Naruto and 90% of the characters in the show can be considered geniuses as well.

Originally posted by Terryc250
He's a genius because he learns quick, and acts/plans quick in battle.

It's not hard to learn quickly when your bloodline limit allows you to copy moves just by looking at them.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
By this logic, Naruto and 90% of the characters in the show can be considered geniuses as well.
Not really, i dont see Naruto doing that kind of thing, i only see like Kakashi doing it

You cant learn speed with sharingan, and other things things just by being able to copy jutsus, look at kakashi, he was considered a genius, he has the sharingan, Sasuke surpassed him in only 3 years

Originally posted by Terryc250
Not really, i dont see Naruto doing that kind of thing, i only see like Kakashi doing it

Hiding at the last second and then ambushing Neji, using kage bunshins as a distraction., the trick to make Zabuza let go of the water shield. Naruto's trick to make Kiba smack Akamaru, tricking Kidomaru, etc. Naruto has actually performed a lot more "ingenious" quick thinking feats than Sawsgay has.



Sawsgay has two Sharingan. 131

And I don't think that Sawsgy pre-Itachi fight would have beaten Kakashi.

Sasuke can't really fly. Glide maybe. Dei made alot of incorrect rmakrs in that fight.

Sasuke simply stated he underestimated him and took him lightly. And Wasn't trying to kill Dei. He wanted to queston him and get information about his brother.

You don't have to kill someone to beat them. That's no excuse at all and not even an implication that Sawsgayw as only half-heartedly fighting. And Deidera was underestimating him too.

Scans please.

Originally posted by Terryc250
He's a genius because he learns quick, and acts/plans quick in battle.


He also thought on the fly the only way to escape by controlling Manda, and other things. Seriously there's not much shikamaru can do, if he uses his shadow on Sasuke, he's basically finished, sasuke will know where he is, and either overpower his shadow, or tsukiyomi him, or something, Shikamaru won't beableto finish him with just exploding tags and kunai's.

Yeah but its still something kakashi gave to him to help decieve Hidan. No. He learns quick because of the sharingan. And great he makes things up quick..like when?

Seriously what else has he done that he thought up off the fly besides Manda which in itself with PIS because he was said to be low on chakra, and didn't even begin to summon Manda until after the explosion. Which Manda shouldn't have even been able to arrive before Sasuke was dead.

Name one time anybody has been able to overpower the shadow? Tayuya was keeping it from choking her but Shikamaru was also nearly out of chakra. The only times I can remember it being overpowered where only in the anime.

And flashbangs keep sharingan from being used on him because Sasuke is blinded, and after that Shikamaru just needs to finish him off with whichever trap he has set up in those twenty minutes.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
You don't have to kill someone to beat them. That's no excuse at all and not even an implication that Sawsgayw as only half-heartedly fighting. And Deidera was underestimating him too.

Scans please.

What do you want scans of?

You, baby.

sasuke.

the one thing shikamaru probably won't be ready for is sasuke's insane speed.

shikamaru shows his face even once... this happens:

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Shikamaru could outsmart him, but I think Sasuke uses Kirin and kills him too quickly.

Kirin?

Dude.

Originally posted by Wil7
Shikamaru could outsmart him, but I think Sasuke uses Kirin and kills him too quickly. what a waste of chackra...... sasuke can probably control the snakes in the forest of death, if so they could tell him where shikamaru is hiding and/or attack him.

Thing is. Sasuke sharingan would most likely iwn the fight. if Shika ever did catch Sasuke in shadow mane. Sasuke could just place Shika under genjutsu or force himself out of it. That and Sasuke crazy speed. He already knows Shika main tactics is trapping people with shadows. Shika is smarter but sasuke is smart enough and is too skilled and poweful for Shika to handle.

I'm pretty certain the smartest character in the show could figure out a way to avoid being caught in Sasuke's new genjutsus

lip biting can take you out of a genjutsu (tsukiyomi is probably the only exception), kurinai did it against itachi, but then again kurinai is a genjutsu specialist.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
lip biting can take you out of a genjutsu (tsukiyomi is probably the only exception), kurinai did it against itachi, but then again kurinai is a genjutsu specialist.

Well Shikamaru was able to get hiimself out of a genjutsu against Tayuya by using his shadow jutsus.

And he still lost that fight. He also needed to watch Tayuya for awhile to memorize he finger movements.

Originally posted by Ryuugi
And he still lost that fight. He also needed to watch Tayuya for awhile to memorize he finger movements.

Well he didn't have 20 minutes of preparation as well as full knowledge on the techniques of his opponent

I dont see how Shikamaru is getting out of Kasegui no Jutsu. Or the MS version of it at all.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
Hiding at the last second and then ambushing Neji, using kage bunshins as a distraction., the trick to make Zabuza let go of the water shield. Naruto's trick to make Kiba smack Akamaru, tricking Kidomaru, etc. Naruto has actually performed a lot more "ingenious" quick thinking feats than Sawsgay has.

Naruto does do genius things every now and then (because he's the main character of course) but he also falls for stupid things as well, like being caught in itachi's gejutsu over and over, but definately not "90%" of characters do those things, only the smart ones + naruto. Sasuke is a genius, even Kishi claims he is =\


Kakashi copies sharingan perfectly just as well as Sasuke, but Sasuke's ability to become faster, stronger, etc and basically become an overall better fighter is better then Kakashi.

I'd think he would take more wins then losses, I don't see Kakashi being able to take on Deidara, or go toe to toe with Itachi genjutsu like Sasuke was able to.

Originally posted by Terryc250
And he lost to Temari ...No he didn't.

He beat her, but conceded since he was lazy and was running low on chakra, so much so that he couldn't fight another match, and Temari was indeed stated to be strategically gifted.

Originally posted by Csdabest
Thing is. Sasuke sharingan would most likely iwn the fight. if Shika ever did catch Sasuke in shadow mane. Sasuke could just place Shika under genjutsu or force himself out of it. That and Sasuke crazy speed. He already knows Shika main tactics is trapping people with shadows. Shika is smarter but sasuke is smart enough and is too skilled and poweful for Shika to handle. Actually...Has Sasuke ever seen Shikamaru fight at all. Sasuke is out when Ino, Shika, Cho fights the Sound, Sasuke gets taken away I believe before Shikamaru beats the sound girl, and Sasuke wasn't there when Shikamaru fights Temari? While Shikamaru has seen two of Sasuke's fights

Originally posted by Terryc250
Naruto does do genius things every now and then (because he's the main character of course) but he also falls for stupid things as well, like being caught in itachi's gejutsu over and over, but definately not "90%" of characters do those things, only the smart ones + naruto. Sasuke is a genius, even Kishi claims he is =\


Kakashi copies sharingan perfectly just as well as Sasuke, but Sasuke's ability to become faster, stronger, etc and basically become an overall better fighter is better then Kakashi.

I'd think he would take more wins then losses, I don't see Kakashi being able to take on Deidara, or go toe to toe with Itachi genjutsu like Sasuke was able to. Sakura is a genius also. Just not a fighting one. Which I don't think Sasuke is either. He's a great fighter but he's not a tactical genius, and he has the sharingan to learn any move instantly. He's smart sure but that's about it.

Sasuke doesn't have the sharingan draining his chakra all the time. Kakashi does. The sharingan is a double edge sword in Kakashi while Sasuke's body can handle it fine and he can turn it off.

And Kakashi would beat Deidara...Deidara's attacks would be defused just like Sasuke did. And Kakashi would just Kamui him if he blew up. And Sasuke beat an Itachi who didn't want to win, and was dying. How nice of him to battle genjutsu with an opponent not really trying.

Originally posted by Kento
No. He learns quick because of the sharingan. And great he makes things up quick..like when?

Seriously what else has he done that he thought up off the fly besides Manda which in itself with PIS because he was said to be low on chakra, and didn't even begin to summon Manda until after the explosion. Which Manda shouldn't have even been able to arrive before Sasuke was dead.

Name one time anybody has been able to overpower the shadow? Tayuya was keeping it from choking her but Shikamaru was also nearly out of chakra. The only times I can remember it being overpowered where only in the anime.

And flashbangs keep sharingan from being used on him because Sasuke is blinded, and after that Shikamaru just needs to finish him off with whichever trap he has set up in those twenty minutes.


actually he did start to summon him before the explosion

Originally posted by Terryc250
Naruto does do genius things every now and then (because he's the main character of course)

And Sawsgay is stated to be a "genius", even though his feats are lacking, because Kishi's mouth is slobbering all over his nuts.




Who hasn't? Even Sawsgay got caught in one of his genjutsus when he fought him the last time. And in the end it turns out that Itachi wasn't going all out anyway.




And there are a lot of "smart ones", so obviously the title of "genius" doesn't mean a whole lot in the naruto-verse, considering every other ninja who has more than five episodes of screen time has done something sneaky.



Kakashi's sharingan is also inferior.



That's because he never got the chance to fight Deidera one on one with no outside circumstances, he shares the same raiton as Sawsgay anyway, and has similar long range electric attacks. Sawsgay didn't beat an Itachi whow as actually trying, so moot point.

Originally posted by yungz22
actually he did start to summon him before the explosion Hmm interesting didn't notice that..But doesn't a pattern usually form when somebody summons something..Or was that anime effect only?

Originally posted by Kento
Hmm interesting didn't notice that..But doesn't a pattern usually form when somebody summons something..Or was that anime effect only?



i think its anime

http://www.mangafox.com/page/manga/read/8/naruto/chapter.15750/page.17/

It does have the effect..But it could just be no attention to detail. Or he could just be leaning over. Though it makes sense that he's starting to summon there.

sasuke is too fast.