How Strong ar the Z fighters???

How strong are the Z fighters? I've never read the manga, I've seen all the anime however (DBZ at least, not DB or as much GT) and I just wanted to ask how strong are any of them. I've seen Goku shadow box with the 20tons on each when he died in between Cell and Buu, and even though I'm not as extensive in my GT viewership, I saw the fight with Omega where he punches Goku and Vegeta into the building and they have to hold it up, which may be a thousand or so tons, but that's after SSJ4. I wonder how strong can each of them lift base, and can they without ki?

Originally posted by headrek1
How strong are the Z fighters? I've never read the manga, I've seen all the anime however (DBZ at least, not DB or as much GT) and I just wanted to ask how strong are any of them. I've seen Goku shadow box with the 20tons on each when he died in between Cell and Buu, and even though I'm not as extensive in my GT viewership, I saw the fight with Omega where he punches Goku and Vegeta into the building and they have to hold it up, which may be a thousand or so tons, but that's after SSJ4. I wonder how strong can each of them lift base, and can they without ki?

There are no official power levels after the Freiza saga. The strength of Goku and Vegeta in particular continues to grow at a rapid rate, but it's not quantified.

There is no answer. People can guess and speculate all they want but..We really don't know.

But in physical strength I still say Vegeta > Gokou. After all Vegeta has trained in much higher gravity that had to make him physically stronger to be able to move around in 400x's Earth Gravity before he was even able to turn super saiyan.

Originally posted by jimBOFH
You can't really separate the strength/power of the warriors in DBZ from ki- their control of ki is an integral part of their fighting, and all living beings have ki in the Z universe- it's just a question of how powerful, and how well controlled it is.

There are no official power levels after the Freiza saga. The strength of Goku and Vegeta in particular continues to grow at a rapid rate, but it's not quantified.

Well see I know the last official PL is after Frieza and Goku goes SSJ in the Frieza saga, but what does powerlevel equal. The greater your PL obviously you're stronger, but what does that equate to in actual physical strength, not energy. Can somebody with a 100 powerlevel lift a tank, what about somebody at 75,000,000 (Hypothetical Goku after Cell)?

Originally posted by headrek1
Well see I know the last official PL is after Frieza and Goku goes SSJ in the Frieza saga, but what does powerlevel equal. The greater your PL obviously you're stronger, but what does that equate to in actual physical strength, not energy. Can somebody with a 100 powerlevel lift a tank, what about somebody at 75,000,000 (Hypothetical Goku after Cell)?

Power levels are basically irrelevant for determining anything other than which DBZ character is stronger than which other DBZ characters - it's not consistent, which is one of the reasons Toriyama dropped the concept after the Frieza saga.

Anyway, their lifting strength is more than 100 tons at the end of the manga, and their best feats can put them at several thousand tons of striking power (although this is often augmented by their momentum in flight)

VERY strong.

Originally posted by jimBOFH
It doesn't translate directly into strength. If anything, it's a measure of the strength of one's Ki- which is derived from, and adds to, physical strength, but is not the same thing. Also lifting a tank would be child's play for a Saiyan. In the very first ep of Dragonball Goku throws Bulma's mini-car- his power level at that point is < 100, while Vegeta's is 18, 000 when he arrives on earth.

The thing is strength/speed/etc don't rise porportionally to their power level. Think about it:

It takes a pl of about 500 to blow up a planet.
That farmer had a pl of 5.

Do the math, and you'll see that the farmer would be MUCH stronger than a farmer...... capable of destroying everest.

Broly can destroy a galaxy.
If a planet buster has a pl of 500, then a star buster has a pl of about 500,000,000.

Our galaxy contains billions of stars.

Think about how high Broly's pl would need to be.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
It takes a pl of about 500 to blow up a planet.

Considering Raditz, with a PL of 1,200, could not bust a planet.

The weakest person to bust a planet in canon was First Form Freeza, whose PL is about 500,000.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx

The weakest person to bust a planet in canon was First Form Freeza, whose PL is about 500,000.

Wow. That's crazy. So Vegeta and Nappa were freaking out over Goku's PL being 9000+...

Was the gap between Freeza and pretty much the rest of the galaxies fighters really that humongous?

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
And where, pray-tell, did you get this number?

Considering Raditz, with a PL of 1,200, could not bust a planet.

The weakest person to bust a planet in canon was First Form Freeza, whose PL is about 500,000.

Nah, Vegeta, with a power level of 18, 000, destroyed Arlia, remember?

Originally posted by jimBOFH
Nah, Vegeta, with a power level of 18, 000, destroyed Arlia, remember?

Originally posted by Kento
Which was filler.

Well yes, but it seems to be roughly in line with the fact that Roshi could destroy the moon with a power of 132 or whatever.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
Wow. That's crazy. So Vegeta and Nappa were freaking out over Goku's PL being 9000+...

Was the gap between Freeza and pretty much the rest of the galaxies fighters really that humongous?

Freeza at full strength, his PL is actually about 120,000,000.

SSJ Goku(first transformation) was 160,000,000.

And actually, Vegeta wasn't freaking out from fear, just shock that a lower level Saiyan could reach that level. Nappa was an elite and had a PL of 4,000.

Vegeta's was 18,000.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Yeah, and that is at Freeza's weakest.

Freeza at full strength, his PL is actually about 120,000,000.

SSJ Goku(first transformation) was 160,000,000.

And actually, Vegeta wasn't freaking out from fear, just shock that a lower level Saiyan could reach that level. Nappa was an elite and had a PL of 4,000.

Vegeta's was 18,000.

Originally posted by jimBOFH
Those figures with Freiza and Goku seem to have one too many zeroes...are you sure about that?

As for the Arlia thing. It contradicts the fact he has to use Galic Gun to try and destroy Earth.

Originally posted by jimBOFH
Those figures with Freiza and Goku seem to have one too many zeroes...are you sure about that?

From what I recall, Nappa's power level was 5,000, not 4,000 (not much difference there, but felt I should point it out still).

Other than that, yeah. The rest sounds right/accurate enough.

I am pretty positive it is 4,000.

Really? I thought it was like 8,000.