League of Champions Week Eight: B-Dub/Smurph Vs. Digi

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illadelph12
Week 8: Washington D.C.
Duration: Wednesday, November 19th @ 10am thru Sunday, November 23nd @ 12am)

B-Dub/Smurph Vs. Digi

Judges: Illadelph, V, Badabing

illadelph12
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Team:

Nimrod/Warlock/Hank Pym/Black Box
Elixir
Dr. Mid-Nite

Battle:

Nimrodbox grows planetary in size, Elixir and Dr. Mid-Nite start off either inside or close to them (then go inside them within the first couple seconds as they go immediately to hundreds of feet tall).

They immediately replicate Mr. Terrific's tech, making us invisible to Digi.

They use Black Box's powers while doing so to gain info on all DNA samples collected that are superhuman.

We then use all our tech on Digi, supersized.

illadelph12

DigiMark007
Digi Post #1

With the match ending Sunday, there's no chance of using all 10 posts. So I'll burn my first one now, despite the fact that they gave me next to nothing to work with in their writeup.

Minion, In Brief

Delph, V, and Bada have all judged in the Minion Prime era, so I won't waste your time with my post of explanation about him. If Blair/Smurph raise new objections, I'll address them. Otherwise, you've all seen the multiple scans confirming his assimilation of souls as well as minds, and the scans that show how the Marvel's powers operate because of the person, the being, the soul, not the host body.

I may post them occasionally for reference later on, just to jog your memory.

I do want to add the following, however. It was brought to my attention that Billy has in fact used the Cpt. Marvel power inside a different host body:
http://pics.livejournal.com/jeanne_dark/pic/0007kgw9
http://pics.livejournal.com/jeanne_dark/pic/0007paw2
http://pics.livejournal.com/jeanne_dark/pic/0007q8q4

This was one of the only remaining points of the plan that I hadn't proven beyond a doubt. Now it is.

Reactions to their writeup

- They grew. I shrunk them with Hawkeye's gear. Woot.

- Their size. Planet sized? Really? Proof? Hank maxes out at about 60 feet, yes? Even with the increase in strength from the amalgamation, saying it would increase to planet size is patently ridiculous. Anyway, they just got shrunk.

- Which also damns their tech-building. How do you build "every" piece of tech (which is a lazy way of saying they didn't have a concrete plan) when you're normal-sized? You don't.

- Let's see, the only potentially useful thing they mentioned was making themselves invisible to me using Mr. T's powers. This doesn't apply to Storm, and Minion is a cyborg: only half machine. He was originally constructed from a human corpse, so much of him is still human, despite his odd appearance. I can produce scans confirming that if needed, but it's not hidden knowledge about him or anything. So at best they'll be tricky to see, but not totally invisible.

- Which leaves Machine Man. Minion can communicate images and words cyberpathically with other machines:
http://img250.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gold2tq0.jpg
http://img250.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gold3zt9.jpg
So he'll simply keep Machine Man updated with a constant link between them.

- They did pretty much nothing with anyone but Nimrod. It was obviously thrown together quickly, but by the writeup's look, this is a 3-on-1 with Elixir and Midnight picking their noses.

- Minion's still the most powerful amalgam/character in this tourney by a lot. Even if I hadn't shrunk you, I'd be ripping your head off in the opening moments of the fight. Herald-level strength combined with the greatest MA skill in comics will do that. And I'll always take the best course of action, because I can analyze you with MNer's abilities and perform the optimal maneuver to win.
http://img372.imageshack.us/my.php?image=m7yr2.jpg

....

Looking forward to the playoffs gents. I trust it will be more of a challenge than this.

wink

Cavalier

Cavalier
I read through Digi's prep and lol'd.

His entire strategy is based around finding answers to all of our offensive options that can one shot his team.

And all the defenses that he found were sub par and laughable, but he acts like they're match winning.

I'll go through and explain in each situation why the "answers" are completely ineffective.

Originally posted by illadelph12

Written Portion

Minion's "Job"

Hawkeye. Trick arrows. I has them. Didn't pick him for nothing. Specifically, they have a grower. Hank Pym. Woot. Hawkeye has the answer.
http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/3232/atlas4mq.jpg


lulz?

We have two characters who can grow to massive levels, combined into one amalgam (that'd be Hank Pym and Warlock).

You have one trick arrow that managed to shrink a guy, what, maybe 20 feet?

We'll be hundreds of feet tall in seconds. 20 feet makes no difference.

Let's even assume you fire before we dwarf skyscrapers in size-

We have all the skill of Mantis assimilated, similar to what you've attempted to do with Karate Kid.

A mind controlled Mantis vs West Coast Avengers(Wonderman, Vision, Scarlet Witch, Hawkeye)...
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/9753/westcoastavengers03712cq5.jpg
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/4601/westcoastavengers03713cq6.jpg
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/5074/westcoastavengers03714ff3.jpg
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/4899/westcoastavengers03715ok6.jpg
http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/5840/westcoastavengers03716zv9.jpg
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/8345/westcoastavengers03717lz7.jpg
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/44/westcoastavengers03718cv9.jpg
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/3062/westcoastavengers03721ck5.jpg

She's toying with Hawkeye there... grabbing his arrows from the air, and breaking them while they're in flight. He comments on how he can't possibly hit her.

So, lolz @ your arrow. It wouldn't hit Mantis alone. But don't forget that we also have about a thousand different types of tech defenses- phasing, teleportation, omnidirectional energy shields, etc.

So not only would your big "answer" to Nimrod be completely ineffective if it did hit, it had absolutely no chance of hitting. Nimrod's reactions have proven to be some of the best in the tourney- he locates and develops character-specific weapons in between panels. He countered Kitty's phasing as soon as she touched him.

How hard do you think it will be for him to counter an arrow?

Furthermore, even if you do hit us, we can just regrow the lost distance in seconds. You're hitting us with Pym Particles? We have Hank Pym himself.

Finally, you're firing through the eyes of Minion, but we've used Mr. Terrific's tech to make ourselves invisible to you. Minion is a robot, after all, and uses tech to see. We assimilated Mr. Terrific's tech, and all his tech knowledge in a previous match, and have used it to be completely undetectable to technology in previous matches.

Invisible to Technology

The T-Mask also allows him to be invisible to all technology and forms of electronic detection

Here he remarks how he is a "walking blind spot" when it comes to technology.
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb260/DarkCrawler90/Tourney/1notechnology.jpg

Even Batman's night vision lenses, while not working on purely electronic standpoint, can barely see him.
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb260/DarkCrawler90/Tourney/14-nightvisionlenses.jpg

He is again, completely invisible to technology:
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb260/DarkCrawler90/Tourney/38Omaceyecantsee.jpg

He is capable of extending the cloaking field to a greater area as well:
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb260/DarkCrawler90/Tourney/18-cloakingfield.jpg

Even the nigh-invincible OMAC's can't spot him.
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb260/DarkCrawler90/Tourney/25OMACcantsee.jpg
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb260/DarkCrawler90/Tourney/25_2OMACcantsee.jpg
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb260/DarkCrawler90/Tourney/25_3OMACcantsee.jpg
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb260/DarkCrawler90/Tourney/25_4OMACcantsee.jpg

Invisible to ANYTHING electronic.
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb260/DarkCrawler90/Tourney/30electronicinv.jpg

Terrific can walk right through the base of OMAC's, the Brother Eye satellite. Machines can't hear him, see him, or record him.
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb260/DarkCrawler90/Tourney/32Invisibletotechnology.jpg

So, you see, Minion would never have a hope of being able to target us, much less hit us with an arrow.

Completely ineffective.


Originally posted by illadelph12
Storm's "Job"



Lulz.

Storm = small fry.

We're going to be planetary in size. She'd have to struggle to overload a Nimrod that was normal sized- the New X-Men only managed because they attacked a machine within Nimrod that Nimrod doesn't even have access to for the tourney. And they had to pour on electricity. And, again, this was a normal-sized Nimrod.

Our Nimlockbox is gonna be thousands of feet tall very fast. Is she going to overload that? Not a chance.

Furthermore, keep in mind that Nimrod alone could one-shot her...

Nimrod Scans:

http://img338.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxm194page14xy7.jpg
http://img395.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxm194page15pl2.jpg
http://img338.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxm194page16sq3.jpg
http://img338.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxm194page17ah6.jpg
http://img395.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxm194page19sy3.jpg
http://img395.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxm194page20xu7.jpg
http://img513.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxm194page21mf5.jpg

-Develops levitation, +Hulk strength and a disintegrator beam.
-Super magnetism
-Super sensors, teleporter tracker, forcefield
-High frequency beam, plasma bolt, energy shield that he develops to counter/turn off Kitty's phasing
-Psionic inhibitor field, super durability
-Synapse dislocuter
-Super healing, teleportation

Nimrod fighting New X-men:
http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newxmen31006ww1.jpg
http://img329.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newxmen31009fi6.jpg
http://img508.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newxmen31016ib5.jpg
http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newxmen31017yi2.jpg

Disintigration Ray is more thorough than Ultrons:
http://img401.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img005hb6.jpg
http://img440.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img006eu5.jpg

Notice, in particular, the Synapse Dislocuter and the High Frequency Sonics that he used against Juggernaut. Those one-shotted Juggernaut- imagine what they'd do to Storm?

And this is only Nimrod's tech. We have access to all of Reed and Tony and Mr. Terrific's tech, thanks to assimilating their knowledge in previous matches. Digi's already conceded that with Nimrod and Warlock, we can make any tech that we need, provided we have the size. We have all those pieces together in one amalgam. Which means we can make tech like this:

The Sonic Shark:
http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/504/fantasticfour07214re4.jpg
http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/7678/fantasticfour07216zv1.jpg
http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/7695/fantasticfour07218tf8.jpg
http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/6856/fantasticfour07219do5.jpg

Would Storm be able to avoid getting drained when the Silver Surfer couldn't?

The Gravi Polarizers:
http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/493/fantasticfourv106104yd1.jpg
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/9944/fantasticfourv106105jt2.jpg

We can fire off a few thousand of these if we please

Class 4 Disintegrator

Does Storm have superior durability to that of a small moon?

Followed by the:

Optimizer:
http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/9676/advancedoptimizerhp4.jpg
http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/7161/advancedoptimizer2ke7.jpg

That will supersize each of our attacks

Anti-Galactus Suits

Nuff said

Electronic Converter:
http://img185.imagevenue.com/loc78/th_63021_-6_page_17_4-_122_78lo.jpghttp://img45.imagevenue.com/loc583/th_63028_-0_page_18_5-_122_583lo.jpghttp://img245.imagevenue.com/loc517/th_63034_-4_page_19_4-_122_517lo.jpghttp://img199.imagevenue.com/loc501/th_63035_-7_page_20_4-_122_501lo.jpg

Does Storm have better energy output than Magneto?

We can make as much of this tech as we please. And this is all Reed's stuff. I haven't even touched on how we have access to every Ironman suit ever created, or the Livewires tech that we got last battle.

I've only focussed on Storm, but keep in mind we can make hundreds or thousands of each of these items. We can grow as much as we please.

And Digi thinks Minion is superior?

lolz

Storm is completely ineffective.

Cavalier
Originally posted by illadelph12
Machine Man's "Job"

They seem to be fond of some sort of black hole device with Nimrod, who they seem to think can build anything at all, despite not being an accomplished technomorph. No matter, since Warlock may or may not be able to fill that need admirably (though it really puts their eggs in one basket). But of course, the "we build every piece of tech we can think of strategy" is shot to sh*t as soon as I shrink them, since they won't retain the mass needed to build, well, anything.

But presuming they use the black hole (if not, ignore this), black holes are gravity wells. Fortunately for us, X-51 can turn off gravity around himself and others:
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/2001-8-09.jpg
or
http://img359.imageshack.us/my.php?image=machine40tw5.jpg
or negating it around others:
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/MachineMan16-16.jpg

So the black hole will have no affect on us.

Where has X-51 countered gravity on the level of a BLACK HOLE?

Are you serious in thinking that you've drafted a high meta character that can counter/close/whatever black holes? r u srs?

For judges reference, the black hole warhead that we're firing off at the beginning that will destroy the entire opposing team (it's still tech from our body, so they still can't see it) is this:

http://img522.imageshack.us/my.php?image=miniblackholeiq4.jpg

X-51 has countered gravity, on what scale? The most that he has in Digi's scans is countering earth gravity for an object maybe as big as a car.

This leads him to believe he can negate a black hole that can, if we so choose, cover the entire battlefield.

We wouldn't have it cover the entire battlefield, as we'd be in the blast zone, but we could still fire off a smaller black hole around even just Minion, Storm or X-51.

Point being, X-51 has never been shown to counter gravity on this scale over this large of an area.

Digi is hopelessly extrapolating on some minor captions because he knows this is yet another option that we can use to completely demolish his team.

X-51 is completely ineffective.


Originally posted by illadelph12
He's also meshed with Joker, and thus has Joker gas.

Which can affect New Gods
http://img368.imageshack.us/my.php?image=greenlantern0143061ov.jpg
Regular gods (Circe)
http://img216.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wonderwoman175186op.jpg
Metahumans
http://img476.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jla059089xy.jpg
Etc.

lulz. Nimrod and Warlock are robots and thus immune. We're also planetary in size, so they wouldn't have near enough gas to effect us.

The only people it could effect are inside Nimlockbox.

Joker is completely ineffective.
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There we have it. Digi's hopelessly overpowered, outmatched and only has incredibly feeble defenses in proportion to the power output we're offering.

Cavalier
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Digi Post #1

Reactions to their writeup

- Their size. Planet sized? Really? Proof? Hank maxes out at about 60 feet, yes? Even with the increase in strength from the amalgamation, saying it would increase to planet size is patently ridiculous. Anyway, they just got shrunk. No. Ultimate Hank Pym tops out at just below 60 feet. But 616 Hank Pym, who we have, caps out at 300 feet. Throw in the fact that Nimrod is much bigger than Hank, and it would cap out at about 500 feet. Throw in Nimrod's Cl. 100 strength, the fact that his integral structure holds up much better than human anatomy, and we have much, much larger than 500 feet.

But we're also amalgamated with Warlock, who on his own has grown to immeasurable levels. His anatomy allows him to be any size he wishes; there's even a rumor of a planetary-size feat for him. What all of this means is that we have Warlock's anatomy, which is basically a less durable Plastic Man, so we can grow to any size we wish with Hank's powers, increasing our energy reserves as we go, and know that we can hold up.

So, yeah, we grow planetary in size.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Let's see, the only potentially useful thing they mentioned was making themselves invisible to me using Mr. T's powers. This doesn't apply to Storm, and Minion is a cyborg: only half machine. He was originally constructed from a human corpse, so much of him is still human, despite his odd appearance. I can produce scans confirming that if needed, but it's not hidden knowledge about him or anything. So at best they'll be tricky to see, but not totally invisible.Batman could barely see Michael with simple night vision lenses.

You're more than 1/2 robot, and his eyes certainly aren't human, so what he came from is moot anyways.

He doesn't know where the hell we are.

DigiMark007
Past the time limit.

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j241/Badabing_2006/gallery_6_big.gif

DigiMark007
Past the time limit.
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j241/Badabing_2006/gallery_19_big.gif

illadelph12
This match actually ended at midnight last night, so the 2 posts made by Digi today are after the gun and will be disregarded (for what it's worth at this point).

Bada, please edit Digi's posts and insert pictures of Vida Guerra. cool

DigiMark007
Dude, you gave us 2 days for a match? The starting date says Wed but it wasn't made until Fri.

Can I request an extension, especially since playoffs don't start until the 1st? Seriously, it was under 48 hours. That hasn't happened all tourney.

DigiMark007
If this needs to be deleted, so be it. It's not debate, but only the rulings delph has made on my plan. I wanted them to be posted in one place because of all the recent controversy.

If this needs to be deleted, I'll happily comply. I'll be posting a copy in the discussion thread as well at some point.

From PMs:
Originally posted by DigiMark007
I already talked to you using the anecdote of Karate Kid, who I'm probably picking up for my next match. But to feel totally secure, I want to share the full extent of my plans with Minion, so as not to be stopped cold with a ruling.

As I explained it, Minion assimilates not just data/instincts/skills but the actual mind/soul of the person. The ruling, then, was that anything that the mind/soul grants me, is allowed, while anything requiring the body is not, which includes nearly everyone's powers (even mind-based powers like telepathy wouldn't be included). This was happily approved by you.

I'm drafting Mary Marvel (classic, before any upgrades from Darkseid/Black Adam), who is high meta. Having her mind/soul allows her to summon the power of Shazam. The essence/mind/soul of Mary is the key, not her body. Add that to KK, Minion's own powers, and the various others I have already, and those whom I may draft/assimilate as things progress, and I'm turning Minion into the most powerful character in the tourney, by a lot, next round.

Based on the earlier ruling, this should be legal in regards to the information retention rule. But it's obviously a bit more than KK and other martial artists and such. I don't want to hide anything from you, because then I'd be putting myself at risk in the match and would only have myself to blame.

Thanks.

-Digi

His reply:



From talks with Charlotte:
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
I had private talk with Delph during my match with Digi as well, to ask whether Digi's actions qualify as "external posession" which is banned from the tourney.

However, he did say Minion's was special case and added that should I've beaten Digi in the match, then absorbtion of exorcised souls into Soulsword would have been valid for me and I could have saved those for playoffs and use as I please.

So it's not like Digi's the only one to possibly benefit from souls gathering, it's just I (for example) abandoned that route due to getting one character I've needed for general scheme of things only in playoffs.

And from earlier today, in discussion:
Originally posted by illadelph12
I'll say now, as I told Smurph last night on MSN, I consider a soul to simply be information, as it's a collection of a being's experiences, knowledge, etc, regardless of sentience (as even machines can have sentience). I don't romanticize it.

In my opinion, there is no rule violation on Digi's part.

Now, as far as the logistics of how his plan works, that is a different matter entirely and up to interpretation.

He leaves only the "logistics" which are whether it would actually work or not. All judges have seen the relevant points of that and can determine for themselves.

I don't care about this match in particular, but I don't want votes being made with false information. Again, this is only pertinent rulings, not debate, though I understand if it needs to be deleted.

I'd ask all discussion to be taken to the discussion thread, not this thread.

Thanks.

-Digi

Cavalier
Note, judges, that Delph is giving his personal definition of a soul, and saying that by that definition, Digi's plan would be legal, but wouldn't necessarily work.

On the other hand, I believe Delph means to leave it open to interpretation whether your personal definition of a soul defines the plan as legal or illegal. Delph can confirm or correct this when he gets a chance, but, last I checked on the matter, I believe he intended to leave it up to judges' opinions.

He's still allowing no more than memories or experience to pass on, so it's up for judges to decide whether:

a) a soul is more than that

and

b) if only having memories/experience would allow Digi's plan to work



again, this is all my interpretation, but a lot of it is me paraphrasing my conversation with Delph last night.

DigiMark007
I've requested another formal ruling to cut through the ambiguity that has been caused by Smurph's and my interpretations of the rule. I will post it when it comes in.

DigiMark007
From the discussion thread:

Originally posted by illadelph12
To put one of the matters to rest (the Digi Vs. Smurph; Soul issue):

"Souls" are a collection of information.

They are who you are/were, what you've done, what you feel/felt, what you've experienced.

All, simply, information.

I don't romanticize it.

"Soul" retention is legal. The assimilation of the souls of others, which is the assimilation of a person's knowledge, personality, experiences, etc, is legal.

Digi's plan is legal.

Whether it actually works, however, is up for interpretation.

From PMs:


Where we got caught up was that Smurph thought that delph's definition of a soul invalidated my use of them. It does not, since delph is saying by his definition of souls that he considers them part of "information" (experiences, memories, personality, etc.) and not a separate substance from those things. Minion's scans use the word souls, but they also often use such terms as memory, instincts, etc. so we don't really know if Marvel is making a distinction between the two or treating them as one entity. Delph's ruling, then, is all we have to go off of.

...

My apologies for the heated debate, Smurph. It never should've reached the levels it did, for whatever reasons, and I'd like to extend my apologies for any of it that may have been my fault.

Blair Wind
Therefore, it is still for the judges to decide whether those "souls" (memories, thoughts and nothing more) would give Digi the power he claims they will.

judge votes should be in shortly no?

DigiMark007
Originally posted by Blair Wind
Therefore, it is still for the judges to decide whether those "souls" (memories, thoughts and nothing more) would give Digi the power he claims they will.

Right. Whether or not the souls would allow me their power. Very few scans of evidence were posted in this match for Minion's assimilation, but as long as the judges haven't changed for this week, they've seen them all before.

I'm not sure when votes are coming in, but there's not a huge rush, especially since playoffs seeds won't be determined until we get this week's results.

Scoobless
Originally posted by DigiMark007
playoffs seeds won't be determined until we get this week's results.

People are actually going to have to vote on these matches?

no expression

Guess we all pwned the judges at least.

stick out tongue

DigiMark007
Pfft. Mine's only a page. I'd flip a coin if I were voting on your match.

stick out tongue

Cavalier
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Where we got caught up was that Smurph thought that delph's definition of a soul invalidated my use of them. It does not, since delph is saying by his definition of souls that he considers them part of "information" (experiences, memories, personality, etc.) and not a separate substance from those things. I don't believe I said that. What I said was that Delph's belief validated your ability to transfer souls from match to match, but made believing that you could get the Marvel Family's powers that much more difficult, as you don't get the aspect of the soul that you admitted to needing.

I don't think Bada or V are revoting since their initial send-in, so the only one seeing my words should be our last judge Delph, who know all of this anyways. But I just thought I'd clarify. Originally posted by DigiMark007
Minion's scans use the word souls, but they also often use such terms as memory, instincts, etc. so we don't really know if Marvel is making a distinction between the two or treating them as one entity. Delph's ruling, then, is all we have to go off of.
Whether Marvel makes a distinction is ambiguous and debatable, so it really comes down to whether the judges make a distinction between the two. As far as I can tell, Delph's ruling applies only to Delph.


Originally posted by DigiMark007
My apologies for the heated debate, Smurph. It never should've reached the levels it did, for whatever reasons, and I'd like to extend my apologies for any of it that may have been my fault. Meh. Just tourney shit. srug

illadelph12

illadelph12

DigiMark007
Heh. Fair enough. Sorry if I misconstrued your words a bit Smurph. 'twas unintentional.

Though I'm not admitting to needing a separate souls-substance if indeed there is no distinction between the two. I was originally treating souls as separate from one's mind, yes. It was for clarity's sake more so than any on-panel evidence. But as I said, Marvel is ambiguous on the subject, so I cannot definitively claim that I need something other than memories/information/etc. I might, or I might not. Delph seems to think everything is fine with it. Other judges can form their own opinions, even if they differ from delph.

In any case, the judges can read through the match, the rulings, etc. and decide for themselves.

...

{edit}
Ah, and the votes are coming in. Yes, lack of rebuttals hurt. I expected as much. But there wasn't anything I could do, so I'll just regroup for the playoffs.

illadelph12
Ok, for my judgment, I want to clarify a couple things first:

- Digi's plan is 100% legal. I'm categorically stating that for future reference. Whether it will work as he states is open to interpretation. The legality is a non issue.

What struck me was the tactical mistakes on Digi's part in his initial plan. He stated he would use the Pym Particle Arrow to shrink B-Dub/Smurph's giant Nimrod amalgam, but he didn't account for the fact that the character he's facing starts out .5 km away and can erect force fields, so using a conventional projectile is a bit out of the question and would be a non factor, as would much of a direct physical assault, allowing Smurph/B-Dub to be able to grow very large (though perhaps not planetary in size, but I think perhaps the height of Tiamut wouldn't be out of the question).

At that point, it really becomes Minion Prime (I'm including the Marvel Powers) vs. the Giant NimLock, and I think that the versatility and firepower of Nimlock would win out over the raw power of Minion Prime in a protracted battle. Offensively, Minion Prime offers a lot of brute strength options, but those won't account for much against an opponent with defenses that could negate most physical assaults. I feel you need to mix in some high end energy projection into the Minion Prime mix. That's a missing piece to the puzzle.

And, on top of that, you Rickroll'd me. thumb down

Judge's Vote: B-Dub & Smurph.

DigiMark007
Frustrating to know I dealt with most stated objections in my edited-out posts. But alas, my first loss.

Congrats and such, guys. I hope to see you in the playoffs.

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