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We've all been reading a certain story and come to a page or two that was so moving that it literally gave us the chills (in a good way.) So having said that, what comic scene has moved you in the past?

This was a very moving scene for me:

http://s1d3.turboimagehost.com/t/982663_as1.jpg


How about you?

Ummm, i don't think a comic book has ever really "moved me". At least not in the sense that i believe you mean. Although, I know that Superman Comics focus on the love aspect very often and many times it's actually handled quite well. I forget the exact issue but the series isn't to old. It was the Superman series where superman was being told of his coming future. I believe it was Zod who had taken over the world. Superman was dead and Lex Luthor was leading the human resistance. Lois Lane was telling the story as though she was recording the last days of humanity. Superman came back somehow but it wasn't entirely Superman. The moment Lois and he shared when he returned was a neat and almost moving scene, one that did more than the death of superman did (what a failure that was lol). Anyway, Superman eventually ended up dead once again and Zod reigned supreme. I'm still not sure who it was that was telling Superman about this coming future. I believe the issue was called, "children of tomorrow" or "tomorrow people".

Not much ever really happens in comics that warrant extreme emotion for me though. The more mainstream comics never trully change their formula, so key characters never change and never die. The only characters that change on a large scale are the more obscure one's. When the characters from mainstream or established comics do change it is usually a revamp that changes the formula we are used to entirely.

Indie comics or graphic novels always take chances and focus more on emotion and character development than story-line but considering the stories in indie or graphic novels never last to long we never get to become attached.

LOL

why's lois black?

Normally I'd agree with ragesRemorse but I recently re-read Identity Crisis. The scene I'm talking about is quite a ways into the story, Dibney is already dead, people know Dr Light had raped her, lotsa stuff had happened, the Batman & Robin are out in the car and they get a call that Tim's dad is in trouble:

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It's the third scan in particular that I'm talking bout here ... when Tim pleads for Bruce to save his dad and Bruce just looks so shocked and powerless.

Of course, it ends up with Captain Boomerang killing Tim's dad (and being killed by him in return)

I guess it loses something out of context like this.

Y: The Last Man, the last few issues.

Yep, I find Y very moving. Also the Incal if anyone of you has ever read Jodorowski.

I didn't like the Young X-Men arc but I felt a little sad when Wolf Cub uttered his dying words after being fatally wounded by Donald Pierce.

I just think of the final pages of Kingdom Come. After several issues of near-Armageddon that would put Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman on different warring sides, they sit down to an ordinary lunch in public to heal the rift between them all. Diana is pregnant by Clark, and she asks Bruce to be the Godfather, which astounds him. Then they all get up from the table when lunch is over, and the two now-older men( in Bruce's case, crippled) shock me by having a warm, friendly hug. A display of deep friendship I'd never thought I'd see.

Batman thanking Booster for trying to save Barbara Gordon. More heartwarming than it had any right to be, imo...

When everyone thought Prime was dead was the most moving scene I've seen in a comic.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/Countdown13p08.jpg

This one is a close second. You could actually feel Prime's anguish flowing through the page:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/Countdown13p03.jpg

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
Not much ever really happens in comics that warrant extreme emotion for me though. I'm not looking for 'extreme emotion' (srsly) - just an instance you may have found moving.

http://s1d3.turboimagehost.com/t/983225_as1.jpg

lol, you should just post the entire run of all star... would save you time...

I know lol.

You have to admit that there were several moving scene throughout that run.

Originally posted by Galan007
I know lol.

You have to admit that there were several moving scene throughout that run.

yeah... morrison knows his stuff, thats for sure... he should write the emotional stuff as much as the grand/epic stuff, imo, he has quite a talent for it...

Originally posted by Red Hulk
When everyone thought Prime was dead was the most moving scene I've seen in a comic.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/Countdown13p08.jpg

This one is a close second. You could actually feel Prime's anguish flowing through the page:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/Countdown13p03.jpg

cry....I promised myself I wouldn't cry whilst looking at that......

So I won't.

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/th_BatmanJason.jpghttp://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/th_BatmanJason1.jpghttp://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/th_BatmanJason2.jpghttp://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/th_BatmanJason3.jpg

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/th_BatmanJason4.jpghttp://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/th_BatmanJason5.jpghttp://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/th_BatmanJason6.jpghttp://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/th_BatmanJason7.jpg

This was before the whole One Year Later, Countdown, Retcon punch stuff, its the period that made Jason one of my favorite characters.

Originally posted by Red Hulk
When everyone thought Prime was dead was the most moving scene I've seen in a comic.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/Countdown13p08.jpg

This one is a close second. You could actually feel Prime's anguish flowing through the page:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/Countdown13p03.jpg

Originally posted by Red Hulk
When everyone thought Prime was dead was the most moving scene I've seen in a comic.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/Countdown13p08.jpg

This one is a close second. You could actually feel Prime's anguish flowing through the page:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/Countdown13p03.jpg

what's that last scan supposed to show, philosophia? is that batmen across the multiverse, or our batman throughout time and random costume changes? i understand the significance of the "we've been here before" either way, but i don't know exactly in what interpretation to take it.

Originally posted by Disappear
what's that last scan supposed to show, philosophia? is that batmen across the multiverse, or our batman throughout time and random costume changes? i understand the significance of the "we've been here before" either way, but i don't know exactly in what interpretation to take it.

there was a similar superman image in his pre IC comics, and it was superman of alternate worlds, so i assume its the same with bats...

Originally posted by Galan007
I'm not looking for 'extreme emotion' (srsly) - just an instance you may have found moving.

http://s1d3.turboimagehost.com/t/983225_as1.jpg

When I read the title of the thread, that was the immediate image that rushed through my head. That practically brought me to tears.

The recent JSA issue where KC Superman pulls a similar move was equally effective for me.

One of the most recent ones I can think of happened in the new run of Thor. It's after he fought Ironman and revived Heimdall.

The final panels of the comic show Heimdall standing on top of a platform overlooking all of Asgard. the words, and drawing really hit a little bit there. It just seemed like a perfect scene.

And of course almost any Pa Kent and Superman scene will get me a little bit.

Holy Shit! No-one's mentioned the first death of Aunt May in ASM 400?

Originally posted by Galan007
thor resurrects the spirit of captain america:

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/889436_thor1.jpghttp://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/889438_thor2.jpg http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/889439_thor3.jpg http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/889440_thor4.jpg


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knocks out the world's communications for 60 seconds, in order to honor cap with a 'minute of silence':

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cry

Literally any scene involving Flex Mentallo moves me to tears:

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/5374/flexmentallotc4.th.jpghttp://img444.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif

Originally posted by Grinning Goku
Holy Shit! No-one's mentioned the first death of Aunt May in ASM 400?

That was decent ... they totally ruined it by bringing her back though (I bought the limited edition version from the back issue section of my LCS ... seems like a waste now)

one thing which moved me both in a sad and shocking way, was when sobek turned on osiris and ate him

The last issue of Y: The Last Man.

I cried.
Then fapped.
Then wiped.
Then cried some more.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
cry That is moving.

Originally posted by -V-
The last issue of Y: The Last Man.

I cried.
Then fapped.
Then wiped.
Then cried some more.




EDITED

Originally posted by -V-
Any issue with half naked men

I fapped.
Then cried.
Then fapped.
Then wiped.
Then fapped.
Then fapped.
Then fapped.
Then fapped.
Then fapped.
Then fapped.
Then cried.
Then wiped.
Then fapped.
Then fapped.
Then fapped.
Then fapped.
Then fapped.
Then fapped.
Then fapped.
Then fapped.
Then fapped.
Then fapped.
Then fapped.
Then fapped.
Then cried.
Then fapped.
Then cried some more.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
cry
That's the most recent one so far that's been moving. I thought that was great.

Hulk: The End was a great one too, especially when reading Jenkins run beforehand.

Originally posted by MightyEInherjar
That's the most recent one so far that's been moving. I thought that was great.

Hulk: The End was a great one too, especially when reading Jenkins run beforehand.

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Hulk finally defeat Bruce Banner in that series?

Bruce dies of old age, leaving Hulk to roam the earth alone, iirc.

Originally posted by willRules
Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Hulk finally defeat Bruce Banner in that series?
More or less Banner dies happy, while Hulk is left sitting by himself on an uninhabited world. The last lines of the book are along the lines of "Hulk is alone. Hulk feels...cold."

Jenkins run on Hulk establishes that the savage "leave me alone!" Hulk is the 'hurt child' persona, originally stemming from the rejection he felt from his parents, explaining that all his cries for "GO! Leave me alone!" are simply cries for companionship.

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/9639/deathofsupermantpb161lm5.th.jpg
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http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/8067/deathofsupermantpb163vx1.th.jpg
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http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/4985/deathofsupermantpb16516qu2.th.jpg
http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/268/deathofsupermantpb16716kq7.th.jpg

cry

Originally posted by MightyEInherjar
More or less Banner dies happy, while Hulk is left sitting by himself on an uninhabited world. The last lines of the book are along the lines of "Hulk is alone. Hulk feels...cold."

Jenkins run on Hulk establishes that the savage "leave me alone!" Hulk is the 'hurt child' persona, originally stemming from the rejection he felt from his parents, explaining that all his cries for "GO! Leave me alone!" are simply cries for companionship.

Your post is probably the most moving on this thread cry

Originally posted by darthgoober
cry

Bag o' shite.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Bag o' shite.

Yeah, now I can see why no one bought it.

srug

The full page splashes of art really brought out the end of the death of Superman story.

Originally posted by Juntai
The full page splashes of art really brought out the end of the death of Superman story. "This is the day..... That a Superman died.." *gets chills*

Originally posted by Juntai
The full page splashes of art really brought out the end of the death of Superman story.

Did you know that was actually intentional(saw it on a DVD extra)? In the first book of the arc they started out with something like 6 panels per page, then in the next it was only 5, and it went on like that until the final issue was all full page splashes in the last issue.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Did you know that was actually intentional(saw it on a DVD extra)? In the first book of the arc they started out with something like 6 panels per page, then in the next it was only 5, and it went on like that until the final issue was all full page splashes in the last issue. I knew when I read it.

Originally posted by Juntai
I knew when I read it.
Perceptive man, I didn't think anything about it till I was watching the Extras on the Superman vs Doomsday DVD.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Superman vs Doomsday DVD. Which was close to garbage, imo. I had absolutely no sympathy when Superman died after the first 10 minutes.

Originally posted by Galan007
Which was close to garbage, imo. I had absolutely no sympathy when Superman died after the first 10 minutes.
What the Hell was up with Supes's cheekbones in that thing anyway...

Originally posted by darthgoober
What the Hell was up with Supes's cheekbones in that thing anyway... The face-etchings were hilarious.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Perceptive man, I didn't think anything about it till I was watching the Extras on the Superman vs Doomsday DVD.

me either...

for me, this is recent, but strangely moving in its own way:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/pr1983/th_10.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/pr1983/th_11.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/pr1983/th_12.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/pr1983/th_13.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/pr1983/th_14.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/pr1983/th_15.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/pr1983/th_16-1.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/pr1983/th_17-1.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/pr1983/th_18-1.jpg

strange, in that i never thought i could ever feel any sort of pity for doomsday, in any way, and yet, here it is... doomsday. the monster that killed superman. its a huge deal. and even though it starts off with just him and clark (i love how superman simply blocking a punch causes a huge shockwave), it quickly degrades into every kryptonian nearby wanting their piece of the monster.

it becomes this... i don't know what the word is. but to watch the kind of brutality levelled against someone who by all intents and purposes doesnt deserve the slightest bit of mercy... it just...

i was just sitting there, astonished at what johns had done. i had thought when i saw the return of doomsday, that it was going to suck. big time. not because i don't love the character, because i think as a concept, doomsday is an epic, brilliant creation, that has to be used for a big event of some sort, a big, huge fight between him and clark. but to watch him reduced to this, this husk, broken and beaten... and by kryptonians no less. it really hammered home the differences between superman and the rest of his race, and begins to show us why they were arrogant enough to let their own world be annihilated...

you can even see it in superman's face when doomsday was beaten... he had this 'what have we done?' look on his face... it was one of those 'we've won, but at what cost' moments...

some really, really excellent foreshadowing by johns, imo...

Originally posted by darthgoober
Perceptive man, I didn't think anything about it till I was watching the Extras on the Superman vs Doomsday DVD. I haven't watched those yet, I almost never watch the special features.

Originally posted by Raoul
me either...

for me, this is recent, but strangely moving in its own way:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/pr1983/th_10.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/pr1983/th_11.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/pr1983/th_12.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/pr1983/th_13.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/pr1983/th_14.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/pr1983/th_15.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/pr1983/th_16-1.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/pr1983/th_17-1.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/pr1983/th_18-1.jpg

strange, in that i never thought i could ever feel any sort of pity for doomsday, in any way, and yet, here it is... doomsday. the monster that killed superman. its a huge deal. and even though it starts off with just him and clark (i love how superman simply blocking a punch causes a huge shockwave), it quickly degrades into every kryptonian nearby wanting their piece of the monster.

it becomes this... i don't know what the word is. but to watch the kind of brutality levelled against someone who by all intents and purposes doesnt deserve the slightest bit of mercy... it just...

i was just sitting there, astonished at what johns had done. i had thought when i saw the return of doomsday, that it was going to suck. big time. not because i don't love the character, because i think as a concept, doomsday is an epic, brilliant creation, that has to be used for a big event of some sort, a big, huge fight between him and clark. but to watch him reduced to this, this husk, broken and beaten... and by kryptonians no less. it really hammered home the differences between superman and the rest of his race, and begins to show us why they were arrogant enough to let their own world be annihilated...

you can even see it in superman's face when doomsday was beaten... he had this 'what have we done?' look on his face... it was one of those 'we've won, but at what cost' moments...

some really, really excellent foreshadowing by johns, imo...


I don't get it Kryptonians are arrogant and not as noble as Superman because they beat the crap out of a creature that was trying to destroy them?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I don't get it Kryptonians are arrogant and not as noble as Superman because they beat the crap out of a creature that was trying to destroy them?

what comic are those recent doomsday scans from? i love the art!

Originally posted by john allerdyce
what comic are those recent doomsday scans from? i love the art!

action comics, the lastest one... 871

Originally posted by Raoul


Well based on what you said somehow The Krpytonians should feel bad about beating up DD. You also stated that there was a difference between Krptonians and Superman, I dunno kinda sounded like you were saying how Supermans reaction was somehow noble.


At any rate I don't really see how that scene has to be touching in anyway at all, they just looked like they were defending themselves.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well based on what you said somehow The Krpytonians should feel bad about beating up DD. You also stated that there was a difference between Krptonians and Superman, I dunno kinda sounded like you were saying how Supermans reaction was somehow noble.


At any rate I don't really see how that scene has to be touching in anyway at all, they just looked like they were defending themselves.

but thats the point. it started off with them defending themselves. look what happens next. it's just a brutal, bloody beating...

everyone is cheering... doomsday might be an evil little shit, but to do that to him...

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well based on what you said somehow The Krpytonians should feel bad about beating up DD. You also stated that there was a difference between Krptonians and Superman, I dunno kinda sounded like you were saying how Supermans reaction was somehow noble.


At any rate I don't really see how that scene has to be touching in anyway at all, they just looked like they were defending themselves. It was a gang-style, extremely brutal beating. For all his power, Doomsday stood absolutely no chance at all against what? A dozen or so pissed off Kryptonians? As for Clark's reaction to the situation, you have to understand that deep down, he cherishes and appreciates life on all levels. He was appalled at what had just happened due to aforementioned reasons, and also because he realized what can happen if/when Kryptonians loose that appreciation for life. T'was a greatly depicted scene, imo.

I'd like to say when Mariko asked Wolverine to kill her in Wolverin 57 but the story up till that point was incredibly stupid, so I guess I'll say the last issue of Y The Last Man.

Originally posted by Raoul
but thats the point. it started off with them defending themselves. look what happens next. it's just a brutal, bloody beating...

everyone is cheering... doomsday might be an evil little shit, but to do that to him...

Yeah man they beat the shit out of brutal killer.....god how terrible! Considering how danegrous he was it was the right thing to do if they had not held back he might have got up again.

Its one thing critcising people for killing supervillains but when they beat the crap out of some guy who is a vicious killer it just makes Superman look like a snob. Quite frankly some superheros especillay DC superheroes seem to think that their view of justice is better than everybody else.

Originally posted by Galan007
It was a gang-style, extremely brutal beating. For all his power, Doomsday stood absolutely no chance at all against what? A dozen or so pissed off Kryptonians?

Ok I see what you're saying.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yeah man they beat the shit out of brutal killer.....god how terrible! Considering how danegrous he was it was the right thing to do if they had not held back he might have got up again.

Its one thing critcising people for killing supervillains but when they beat the crap out of some guy who is a vicious killer it just makes Superman look like a snob. Quite frankly some superheros especillay DC superheroes seem to think that their view of justice is better than everybody else.

because they cherish life they're automatically snobs?

Originally posted by Raoul
because they cherish life they're automatically snobs?


No it makes them snobs when they criticise other characters idea of justice eg batman trying to lecture Tangent Superman, WW sticking her nose into business that doesnt concern her in JLA which resulted in reality getting messed up etc ( cant be arsed to get the name of the arc).

In this case it would make him a snob if the Kryptonians were just defending themselves. However as Galan explained DD didnt stand a chance.

Im also not aware if all Kryptonains know about DDs origin, if so I would expect them to be more sympathetic. In all though im not sure if they did anything that bad, but now I can see Supermans point of view in this instance.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
No it makes them snobs when they criticise other characters idea of justice eg batman trying to lecture Tangent Superman, WW sticking her nose into business that doesnt concern her in JLA which resulted in reality getting messed up etc ( cant be arsed to get the name of the arc).

In this case it would make him a snob if the Kryptonians were just defending themselves. However as Galan explained DD didnt stand a chance.

Im also not aware if all Kryptonains know about DDs origin, if so I would expect them to be more sympathetic. In all though im not sure if they did anything that bad, but now I can see Supermans point of view in this instance.

tangent superman is a tyrant, pure and simple. any lecturing he gets is well deserved, imo...

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Im also not aware if all Kryptonains know about DDs origin, if so I would expect them to be more sympathetic. They do. Their knowledge of his origin was explained in that very same comic.

Originally posted by Raoul
tangent superman is a tyrant, pure and simple. any lecturing he gets is well deserved, imo...

Well considering that Batman continually allows a mass murderer to carry on killing people hes really in no position to judge. At least tangent superman brought peace to his world.



Originally posted by Galan007
Their knowledge of his origin was explained in that very same comic.

and what?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
At least tangent superman brought peace to his world.

so you're saying the ends justify the means, then?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
and what? And... They know his origin:

http://s1d3.turboimagehost.com/t/1004485_dd1.jpg

I just said that. none

That was supposed to be a dodge.

But he apparently isn't skilled in that either.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Nope im not saying that, im saying that Batmans brand of justice could be seen to be injust as well but Batman is too much of a hypocrite to see it. In their own way they are as bad as each other but Tangent obvoulsy on a larger scale ( has more power).

how is batman as bad?

Originally posted by Raoul
how is batman as bad?

Well as I stated earlier Batman takes The Joker back to Arkham. Joker breaks out yet again and mass murders and the process begins again. I suspect there are other villains that do the same but the one that springs to mind and I can remember is The Joker.

edit: It could also be argued that Batman is the King of Gotham and basically what Batman says goes. The same way Superman tangent is the ruler of his earth but obvoulsy Tangent is on a larger scale.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well as I stated earlier Batman takes The Joker back to Arkham. Joker breaks out yet again and mass murders and the process begins again. I suspect there are other villains that do the same but the one that springs to mind and I can remember is The Joker.

edit: It could also be argued that Batman is the King of Gotham and basically what Batman says goes. The same way Superman tangent is the ruler of his earth but obvoulsy Tangent is on a larger scale.

any hero that kills, is a killer, be it murder, be it self defence. killing is still causing the death of someone else. batman would never do that, not even to the joker.

and i sincerely doubt batman is the king of gotham. he's more like some guy by a dam plugging holes everytime they appear, imo...

Originally posted by Raoul
any hero that kills, is a killer, be it murder, be it self defence. killing is still causing the death of someone else.
batman would never do that, not even to the joker.

All you have done is explain why batman doesnt do it from his point of view. Giving Batmans reasons for doing things doesnt prove hes better than Superman Tangent or any other character with a different brand of justice.

Originally posted by Raoul

and i sincerely doubt batman is the king of gotham. he's more like some guy by a dam plugging holes everytime they appear, imo...




Lets put it this way if you step out of line he'll stomp you. I don't think the police could stop him if they wanted to either. They couldnt do it in DKR and even Commisoner Gordon said he couldn't stop Batman. Batman is the unofficial king of Gotham what he says goes, so hes got no business telling Superman Tangent how to run his world when he does the same thing.....what a hypocrite.


Just to add to that Golden Perfect was the arc in which WW thought it would be a good idea to stick her nose into business that didn't concern her because she had a different moral point of view. As a result reality got messed up. facepalm

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
All you have done is explain why batman doesnt do it from his point of view. Giving Batmans reasons for doing things doesnt prove hes better than Superman Tangent or any other character with a different brand of justice.

tangent superman deserves to be stopped. he's a tyrant. bringing peace to a world at the expense of personal freedoms is not true peace. its oppression.



You can't use DKR as an example. That's a totally different scenario to what normal bruce is in present day gotham...

Originally posted by Raoul
tangent superman deserves to be stopped. he's a tyrant. bringing peace to a world at the expense of personal freedoms is not true peace. its oppression.


Even in a democracy you have certain restrictions at least in his world you have peace. You don't have to worry about dying an agonising death because Batman keeps letting vilains escape out of Arkham, also you will notice that if somebody like Huntress wanted to stop The Joker from killing again that persons personal freedom to stop a mass murderer is restricted.

Also some people might disagree that might want personal freedoms restricted if it meant that they wouldnt be homless, starving or in danger. Its a matter of opinion. At the end of the day he was more powerful than everybody else and the proof is that he actually managed to create peace on earth.



Originally posted by Raoul

You can't use DKR as an example. That's a totally different scenario to what normal bruce is in present day gotham...

The only difference I can see is that Batman was older also Commmisoner Gordon refers to when Batman first turned up and he stated to the new Commisioner that he couldnt stop him.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Even in a democracy you have certain restrictions at least in his world you have peace. You don't have to worry about dying an agonising death because Batman keeps letting vilains escape out of Arkham, also you will notice that if somebody like Huntress wanted to stop The Joker from killing again that persons personal freedom to stop a mass murderer is restricted.

Also some people might disagree that might want personal freedoms restricted if it meant that they wouldnt be homless, starving or in danger. Its a matter of opinion. At the end of the day he was more powerful than everybody else and the proof is that he actually managed to create peace on earth.

then i guess we disagree on what the term peace actually entails...



its frank miller batman. that batman was nothing like the normal batman we have in the comics every month.

plus, if batman ever went rogue, the league would stop him. they learned their lesson after tower of babel...

Absolutly moving.

http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/7173/0003003kj3.jpg
http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/4650/0003004hm0.jpg

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Absolutly moving.

http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/7173/0003003kj3.jpg
http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/4650/0003004hm0.jpg

well, the earth moved...

Originally posted by Raoul
then i guess we disagree on what the term peace actually entails...


How exactly does he restrict there freedom apart from the fact hes the boss ( maybe im missing something)?

Originally posted by Raoul

its frank miller batman. that batman was nothing like the normal batman we have in the comics every month.

No really its isn't the difference is that he was more vicious and he killed The Joker after he killed some little children, considering that Batman almost killed Alex Luthor Jr after he almost killed Nightwing there is really no difference. Ive noticed that you keep saying that DKR Batman is nothing like the monthly batman. Stating it over and over again isn't proof.

Originally posted by Raoul

plus, if batman ever went rogue, the league would stop him. they learned their lesson after tower of babel...

Which doesnt prove that batman isn't king of gotham it proves hes not the king of the world.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Absolutly moving.

http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/7173/0003003kj3.jpg
http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/4650/0003004hm0.jpg

Thats messed but like Einnis said this is what would happen if superheroes really existed.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
How exactly does he restrict there freedom apart from the fact hes the boss ( maybe im missing something)?

he made himself absolute ruler... that in itself is problem enough imo...



the key word being 'almost'.

superman, batman, they've all 'almost' killed someone. but they know when to stop. there is a big difference between almost doing something and actually doing it.



if he was king of gotham, guys like the joker and the rest of his rogues gallery would be locked up in some f*cked up batman designed prison using martian,kryptonian,apokalyptan and thanagarian technology...



ennis isn't right, imo... sure, there would be people like that, but there would be good ones too...

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
How exactly does he restrict there freedom apart from the fact hes the boss ( maybe im missing something)?



No really its isn't the difference is that he was more vicious and he killed The Joker after he killed some little children, considering that Batman almost killed Alex Luthor Jr after he almost killed Nightwing there is really no difference. Ive noticed that you keep saying that DKR Batman is nothing like the monthly batman. Stating it over and over again isn't proof.



Which doesnt prove that batman isn't king of gotham it proves hes not the king of the world.



Thats messed but like Einnis said this is what would happen if superheroes really existed. facepalm & dur

Originally posted by Raoul
he made himself absolute ruler... that in itself is problem enough imo...

Thats just it. Its your opinion. Different cultures and different worlds have different rules. It could be argued that since he actually eradicated crime, poverty and war he should be ruler of his world.

Im sure there would be alot of people who would want to live in Tangents world. Both world have disadvantages and advantages.

Originally posted by Raoul


the key word being 'almost'.

superman, batman, they've all 'almost' killed someone. but they know when to stop. there is a big difference between almost doing something and actually doing it.

No its not. You missed the point. Alex Luthor almost killed Nightwing therefore its not a stretch if he had killed Nightwing Batman would have killed Alex Luthor. According to Hal Jordan Spectre Superman actually killed General Zod and others, so it seems you're wrong there.

Originally posted by Raoul

if he was king of gotham, guys like the joker and the rest of his rogues gallery would be locked up in some f*cked up batman designed prison using martian,kryptonian,apokalyptan and thanagarian technology...


Can you prove this? At any rate that still doesnt change the fact hes allowed The Joker to mass murder again and again. Oh yes ive actually read Tower Of Babel in that arc itself theres no evidence that they have learnt their lesson. I would expect them to be more cautious but since Batman didnt feel he had done anything wrong and Kyle even thought Batman was justified in what he did I dont see how that has any bearing on the JLA wathching how Batman runs Gotham.


Originally posted by Raoul

ennis isn't right, imo... sure, there would be people like that, but there would be good ones too...

Sure.

Originally posted by Badabing
facepalm & dur

*sigh* Gimmie a break will you.

Tangent Superman is no different from Kang the Conqueror. The difference is that Kang wants to spread peace through every time-line by good old fashioned conquering .

There are so many...but so far this one struck gold with me! (It also happens to be more recent)

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/5229/scan0005hl1.jpg

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/664/scan0006rv8.jpg

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I'd like to say when Mariko asked Wolverine to kill her in Wolverin 57 but the story up till that point was incredibly stupid, so I guess I'll say the last issue of Y The Last Man.
I always liked the scene with Wolverine and Charlemagne in the cemetery too...

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Thats just it. Its your opinion. Different cultures and different worlds have different rules. It could be argued that since he actually eradicated crime, poverty and war he should be ruler of his world.

Im sure there would be alot of people who would want to live in Tangents world. Both world have disadvantages and advantages.



No its not. You missed the point. Alex Luthor almost killed Nightwing therefore its not a stretch if he had killed Nightwing Batman would have killed Alex Luthor. According to Hal Jordan Spectre Superman actually killed General Zod and others, so it seems you're wrong there.



Can you prove this? At any rate that still doesnt change the fact hes allowed The Joker to mass murder again and again. Oh yes ive actually read Tower Of Babel in that arc itself theres no evidence that they have learnt their lesson. I would expect them to be more cautious but since Batman didnt feel he had done anything wrong and Kyle even thought Batman was justified in what he did I dont see how that has any bearing on the JLA wathching how Batman runs Gotham.




Sure.



*sigh* Gimmie a break will you.

oh my sweet lord... wow. just... wow.

also, superman killing zod was retconned. so no, i'm not wrong.

Originally posted by Raoul
oh my sweet lord... wow. just... wow. You should've just stopped when he said this:
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Quite frankly some superheros especillay DC superheroes seem to think that their view of justice is better than everybody else.

Because that's pretty much when you know any kind of 'debate' will be an utter waste of time. ermm

Originally posted by Galan007
You should've just stopped when he said this:


Because that's pretty much when you know any kind of 'debate' will be an utter waste of time. ermm

i should be less of a glutton for punishment... that's supposed to be badabing's job...

Originally posted by Raoul
oh my sweet lord... wow. just... wow.

Look just stop pretending you're always right, its more of your self -serving nonsense were you don't provide proof and assume that people with a different opinion are wrong. Theres a whole load of other points apart from Superman which you're obvoulsy not going to address.

Originally posted by Raoul

also, superman killing zod was retconned. so no, i'm not wrong.

Yeah because that makes everything else I said wrong doesn't it?


Originally posted by Galan007
You should've just stopped when he said this:


Because that's pretty much when you know any kind of 'debate' will be an utter waste of time. ermm

Of course it does especillay since the DC heroes in JLA/Avengers thought that marvel superheroes hadn't done enough.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Look just stop pretending you're always right, its more of your self -serving nonsense were you don't provide proof and assume that people with a different opinion are wrong. Theres a whole load of other points apart from Superman which you're obvoulsy not going to address.



Yeah because that makes everything else I said wrong doesn't it?




Of course it does especillay since the DC heroes in JLA/Avengers thought that marvel superheroes hadn't done enough.

stop being an ass and grow up.

it's not my fault you don't like dc, is it? no.

I found a lot of moving scenes in " The Death of Captain Mar-Vell " graphic novel.

Originally posted by Raoul
stop being an ass and grow up.

it's not my fault you don't like dc, is it? no.

Why dont you just stop dodging points? Its got nothing to do with me not liking DC its about you being an arrognat (insert swear word). Lets look at the Punisher vs Joker thread for example you kept spouting out some shit like Joker is too unpredictable without giving a shread of evidence despite that you wanted to accuse me and others of not reading enough, despite that Badabing even disagreed with you!

You were the one who started the Superman vs WWH and had to close it because posters didnt agree with your opinion.

Ive actually made some valid points in this thread but as usual you decided to ignore it. Some of the points in this thread were discussed on another forum and according to another poster Superman crticised marvel heroes for not doing enough, so I have a basis for what im saying. Why I am even bothering?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Why dont you just stop dodging points? Its got nothing to do with me not liking DC its about you being an arrognat (insert swear word).

yes, because you're just so polite aren't you?



badabing and i don't agree on everything. i disagreed with you bringing up some obscure villain and saying he was = joker, with no evidence whatsoever that he was.



false.



you're the one comparing DKR batman to normal batman. you're the one saying tangent superman brought peace to his world, so how he did it was ok.

galan quoted the post where you showed your obvious bias.

call me arrogant? i'd rather be arrogant than a presumptuous little troll.

Originally posted by Raoul
yes, because you're just so polite aren't you?

I didn't lose my temper until you posted this.

Originally posted by Raoul
oh my sweet lord... wow. just... wow.

also, superman killing zod was retconned. so no, i'm not wrong.


That was completely uncalled for...


Originally posted by Raoul

badabing and i don't agree on everything. i disagreed with you bringing up some obscure villain and saying he was = joker, with no evidence whatsoever that he was.

You are doding points again! So what! Does that still justify you acting like an arrognat so and so without provding any proof that The Joker is unpredicatble and talking down to other posters? For your information you refered to how Captain America beat up Punisher, you obvoulsy didn't read the comic properly.


Originally posted by Raoul

false.

I cant be arsed to check


Originally posted by Raoul

you're the one comparing DKR batman to normal batman.

So what they are similar, the main difference is that DKR was more violent and as usual I made valid points you doged it because you assume you are always right.


Originally posted by Raoul

you're the one saying tangent superman brought peace to his world, so how he did it was ok.

Its a matter of opinion.....you know difference of opinion you do understand that concept?

Originally posted by Raoul

galan quoted the post where you showed your obvious bias.



Did Superman crticise the marvel heroes for not doing enough or not? How about you answer the question?

Originally posted by Raoul

call me arrogant? i'd rather be arrogant than a presumptuous little troll.

Just shut up.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
That was completely uncalled for...

i was only reacting to your post.



how much proof did you provide that frank castle could take him?

you made more incorrect assumptions about joker than i did about frank, which means you have to work harder to back up your point of view.



they weren't valid points. they are to you, sure, but as always, you pretend to know what you're talking about when it comes to DC when you really don't.



i do. i also understand the need to read comics before i decide to talk about the character.

punisher with a gl's powers ring any bells?



in marvel vs dc? iirc he did, yeah... so?



you first.

and as far as hulk vs superman goes, it's like i told badabing:

Originally posted by Raoul




how much proof did you provide that frank castle could take him?

you made more incorrect assumptions about joker than i did about frank, which means you have to work harder to back up your point of view.

Oh please give it a rest. My points were valid and lots of people agreed with me stop being a big baby get a pair of balls and admit you acted like an arse.


Originally posted by Raoul


they weren't valid points. they are to you, sure, but as always, you pretend to know what you're talking about when it comes to DC when you really don't.

You said the samething in The Joker vs Punisher thread so dont give me that crap.


Originally posted by Raoul

i do. i also understand the need to read comics before i decide to talk about the character.

punisher with a gl's powers ring any bells?

I also understand that when I read a comic I should read it properly. Using Captain America beating up Punsiher as evidence ring any bells ( probably not)?


Originally posted by Raoul

in marvel vs dc? iirc he did, yeah... so?


The point is its pretty arrogant to go to another persons world and then start crticising how they run it....thats not exactly a hard concept to understand. The fact that Captain America agreed is neither here nor there he always has a guilty consience.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Oh please give it a rest. My points were valid and lots of people agreed with me stop being a big baby get a pair of balls and admit you acted like an arse.

stop whining just because i don't agree with you.

if i ever owe anyone an apology, i apologise to them. i don't make stupid statements that people are going to look at and cringe.



you are the last person in the world who has any right to lecture me about what i did or didn't say.



maybe if you didn't wank punisher so hard, people might actually take you seriously...

what, cap can't beat up punisher now?



superman has the power to help people, so he does so. the avengers don't. if i have the powers to do something, and i do it, is it wrong for me to ask why someone with that same power won't do it? i don't think so.

Wow this thread has become the most boring scene in all of comic book discussion threads......

Well, now back to the thread.

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Originally posted by Badabing
Well, now back to the thread.

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j241/Badabing_2006/DC/DC%20Scans/th_Untitled-Scanned-03-2.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j241/Badabing_2006/DC/DC%20Scans/th_Untitled-Scanned-02-3.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j241/Badabing_2006/DC/DC%20Scans/th_Untitled-Scanned-01-2.jpg

yeah, that wasnt bad at all...

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http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/watchmen1223mg0.jpg/1/w905.png

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http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/3435/watchmen1224yi4.jpg
http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/watchmen1224yi4.jpg/1/w904.png

That's a classic.

I always thought of this instance as a bit touching:

http://s1d3.turboimagehost.com/t/1009860_sup1.jpg

Doc Manatthan is such a mofo.

Originally posted by Galan007
I always thought of this instance as a bit touching:

http://s1d3.turboimagehost.com/t/1009860_sup1.jpg

i've always like that issue... great ending too...

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/3045/bkjhc049au1.th.jpg

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/2721/bkjhc050dr1.th.jpg

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/3383/bkjhc051tf1.th.jpg

Batman trying to reach out to the Joker in Killing Joke. Batman fears they're on a "suicide course" and one of them will inevitably end up killing the other. It's quite touching because the Joker is sitting there forlorn and expecting punishment and you think that he just might accept help. However he realises it's too late for him and he'll never change.

Originally posted by Raoul
stop whining just because i don't agree with you.

if i ever owe anyone an apology, i apologise to them. i don't make stupid statements that people are going to look at and cringe.


No its not because I don't agree with you... *sigh* As you noticed when Galan explained the context of the DD scan I kept on whining.....oh wait a minute no I didnt.

Yeah somtimes I make people cringe at least ive got big enough balls to admit when im wrong.

Originally posted by Raoul

you are the last person in the world who has any right to lecture me about what i did or didn't say.

Yeah I know....you didnt say my points weren't valid in the Joker vs batman thread.


Originally posted by Raoul

maybe if you didn't wank punisher so hard, people might actually take you seriously...

Thats interesting I was discussing on a DC related thread that I created and one of the posters (who knew DC well) I was discussing with actually thought we had a good discussion, also almost everybody (except one person) agreed with my point of view. Whats really interesting is that the poster who complemented our discussion had a different view to mine but we respected each other.....next!

Originally posted by Raoul

what, cap can't beat up punisher now?

Irrelevant. Stop dodging the point and be a man and admit you messed up. The point is if you want to provide evidence you have to understand the context...you didn't.



Originally posted by Raoul

superman has the power to help people, so he does so. the avengers don't. if i have the powers to do something, and i do it, is it wrong for me to ask why someone with that same power won't do it? i don't think so.

waiwwaitwait are you serioulsy trying to tell me that DC heroes help people more often than Marvel heroes ( In particular JLA compared to Avengers)? Perfect example of hypocrisy you accuse me of being biased but you actually think that DC heroes help people more, no doubt you won't be able to provide any evidence and I guess this is your cue to fob me off and tell me my points aren't valid

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
No its not because I don't agree with you... *sigh* As you noticed when Galan explained the context of the DD scan I kept on whining.....oh wait a minute no I didnt.

Yeah somtimes I make people cringe at least ive got big enough balls to admit when im wrong.



Yeah I know....you didnt say my points weren't valid in the Joker vs batman thread.




Thats interesting I was discussing on a DC related thread that I created and one of the posters (who knew DC well) I was discussing with actually thought we had a good discussion, also almost everybody (except one person) agreed with my point of view. Whats really interesting is that the poster who complemented our discussion had a different view to mine but we respected each other.....next!



Irrelevant. Stop dodging the point and be a man and admit you messed up. The point is if you want to provide evidence you have to understand the context...you didn't.





waiwwaitwait are you serioulsy trying to tell me that DC heroes help people more often than Marvel heroes ( In particular JLA compared to Avengers)? Perfect example of hypocrisy you accuse me of being biased but you actually think that DC heroes help people more, no doubt you won't be able to provide any evidence and I guess this is your cue to fob me off and tell me my points aren't valid

facepalm

i have better things to do with my time. go annoy someone else... if you beg them enough, they might say sorry when they have no reason to...

Um guy's , it's only comics. It's not worth the stress.

Originally posted by Mr. Funktastic
Um guy's , it's only comics. It's not worth the stress.

Ummmmmmmm........

Originally posted by Raoul
facepalm

i have better things to do with my time. go annoy someone else... if you beg them enough, they might say sorry when they have no reason to...

How did I know you were going to do that?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I guess this is your cue to fob me off and tell me my points aren't valid

You are 100 percent full of it and you can quote me on that.

Originally posted by Mr. Funktastic
Um guy's , it's only comics. It's not worth the stress.

i'm not stressed, i just don't like wasting my time when i have other things to be doing...

especially when it comes to people like Phantom Zone.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Ummmmmmmm........

I just knew you belonged to the KKK.

Originally posted by Mr. Funktastic
I just knew you belonged to the KKK.

Pfft ... that's old news.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
No its not because I don't agree with you... *sigh* As you noticed when Galan explained the context of the DD scan I kept on whining.....oh wait a minute no I didnt.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone

Yeah somtimes I make people cringe at least ive got big enough balls to admit when im wrong.There's no reason to bring up your "junk" in a comics forum.


Originally posted by Phantom Zone

Yeah I know....you didnt say my points weren't valid in the Joker vs batman thread. yawn



Originally posted by Phantom Zone

Thats interesting I was discussing on a DC related thread that I created and one of the posters (who knew DC well) I was discussing with actually thought we had a good discussion, also almost everybody (except one person) agreed with my point of view. Whats really interesting is that the poster who complemented our discussion had a different view to mine but we respected each other.....next! facepalm


Originally posted by Phantom Zone

Irrelevant. Stop dodging the point and be a man and admit you messed up. The point is if you want to provide evidence you have to understand the context...you didn't. dur




Originally posted by Phantom Zone

waiwwaitwait are you serioulsy trying to tell me that DC heroes help people more often than Marvel heroes ( In particular JLA compared to Avengers)? Perfect example of hypocrisy you accuse me of being biased but you actually think that DC heroes help people more, no doubt you won't be able to provide any evidence and I guess this is your cue to fob me off and tell me my points aren't valid ka-dur

Now that I got that out of the way. How is everyone?

Originally posted by Badabing


There's no reason to bring up your "junk" in a comics forum.


yawn



facepalm


dur




ka-dur

Now that I got that out of the way. How is everyone?

Could you please back off?

Yeah Bada , back off !!!






























tomato

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Could you please back off? Originally posted by Mr. Funktastic
Yeah Bada , back off !!!


tomato All I try to do is spread some Holiday cheer, a few laughs and the word of dur and I get attacked.

You both are mean poopy head bullies. durcry2

. shifty

Originally posted by The Pict
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/3045/bkjhc049au1.th.jpg

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/2721/bkjhc050dr1.th.jpg

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/3383/bkjhc051tf1.th.jpg

Batman trying to reach out to the Joker in Killing Joke. Batman fears they're on a "suicide course" and one of them will inevitably end up killing the other. It's quite touching because the Joker is sitting there forlorn and expecting punishment and you think that he just might accept help. However he realises it's too late for him and he'll never change.

Originally posted by The Pict
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/3045/bkjhc049au1.th.jpg

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/2721/bkjhc050dr1.th.jpg

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/3383/bkjhc051tf1.th.jpg

Batman trying to reach out to the Joker in Killing Joke. Batman fears they're on a "suicide course" and one of them will inevitably end up killing the other. It's quite touching because the Joker is sitting there forlorn and expecting punishment and you think that he just might accept help. However he realises it's too late for him and he'll never change.

I dunno Batman just figured out they might be on a suicide course after hes predictably hurt Barbara and mass murdered. Yeah real touching.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I dunno Batman just figured out they might be on a suicide course after hes predictably hurt Barbara and mass murdered. Yeah real touching.

Well that's surely even more moving then. It doesn't have to be nice to be moving

The comic when Aunt May died in her bed with Peter by her side was really moving.

Sue Dinbys death and funeral.

Yeah that Identity Crisis was moving. There was one bit where we see the Atom crying.......damn that guy was in pain, the way it was drawn clearly illustrated that.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yeah that Identity Crisis was moving. There was one bit where we see the Atom crying.......damn that guy was in pain, the way it was drawn clearly illustrated that. The scene at the alter got me.

Originally posted by Nihilist
The scene at the alter got me.

Damn I feel bad I cant remember it but I do remember the Atom crying.

Dr Light powerhousing Sue

Death of Ben Reilly was moving for me......as was Daredevil's turmoil in the "Guardian Devil" storyline (Death of Karen Page)

Originally posted by Charmander
Dr Light powerhousing Sue lmfao.

The scene after the defeat of the Great Evil Beast in Swamp Thing #50

Originally posted by Scoobless
Normally I'd agree with ragesRemorse but I recently re-read Identity Crisis. The scene I'm talking about is quite a ways into the story, Dibney is already dead, people know Dr Light had raped her, lotsa stuff had happened, the Batman & Robin are out in the car and they get a call that Tim's dad is in trouble:

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It's the third scan in particular that I'm talking bout here ... when Tim pleads for Bruce to save his dad and Bruce just looks so shocked and powerless.

Of course, it ends up with Captain Boomerang killing Tim's dad (and being killed by him in return)

I guess it loses something out of context like this.

Comics don't ever effect me but that had me worrying for his dad.

hmmmmmm

Originally posted by The Pict
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/3045/bkjhc049au1.th.jpg

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/2721/bkjhc050dr1.th.jpg

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/3383/bkjhc051tf1.th.jpg

Batman trying to reach out to the Joker in Killing Joke. Batman fears they're on a "suicide course" and one of them will inevitably end up killing the other. It's quite touching because the Joker is sitting there forlorn and expecting punishment and you think that he just might accept help. However he realises it's too late for him and he'll never change.
At first I liked that story, but changed my mind later. The idea that the Joker was actually a good guy one day and deep inside WANTS to be a good guy is retarded. Its just there are some villains you don't wanna feel sorry for, villains that are just incarnations of evil and will always stay that way, villains who LOVE what they do and would've never had it any other way.. imo Joker is one of them...

DEATH OF SUPERMAN!!!

This is absolutely my most moving moment!

Ahhh, I remember like it was yesterday...

One warm spring day in '92 lil' teenage ICON received his sealed copy of Superman 75 in the mail...I readily ripped it open and headed for the bathroom in what was sure to be one of the most memorable bowel movements ever!

And sure enough, it delivered. After wiping I headed back to my bedroom. I flipped on 'Superman's Song' by the Crash Test Dummies (friggin' prophets I tell ya!) and contemplated on how I was going to spend the rest of my life in a world without Superman(comics)...

But we all know how THAT turned out furious

entire finale issue of the onslaught fight, it crazy, when the x-men are all but donw for and in the dust the other hero emerge, and then the finale charge by the avengers and then the last charge of the x-men is awosome

I (honest to god) cried at

Bart Allen: "I'm not stupid!"

Barry Allen: "And you're not alone, either."

followed up with the freaking perfect Max Mercury, Bart exchange

"Don't be scared son"

"I'm not, Max."

Or

"Keystone's A UNION TOWN!"


And then during Final Crisis the

"I don't think there's anything we can do for Aunt Iris..."

followed by the perfect art for the electrifying, Speed-Force kiss.

What can I say? I'm a sucker for speedsters.

Other honorable mentions:

"But Batman... Batman thinks of everything."

Jack Frost versus the King Archon.

The first costumed reappearance of Spiderman in "Reign."

Scott Pilgrim missing the girl by a second.

"I'll use the Anti-Anti Life Arrow, pretty bird," and "If you're superheroes can't save you, maybe it's time to think of something that can. Think it up... then make it real..... Weeja Dell?"

"As foretold in prophecy! The armies of man!" (World War III)

"We're such small men." (The death of Tommy Monaghan, Hitman)

Abby Cable thinking that Adam Strange is insane (Moore's Swamp Thing)

"We'll call this an historic team-up between the forces of 'good' and 'bad.'" (Luthor realizing his priorities in "Final Crisis"

Every single panel of Seaguy.

"I didn't hope.... I trusted." (Hal Jordan in "Justice"

As the world dies around him, Captain America will just not quit (Kang War, Gauntlet....many more)

What do you mean by "The first costumed reappearance of Spiderman in "Reign."?

I had my heart strings tugged by an issue of Starman. After you get all attached to this lovable man-child version of Solomon Grundy, a roof collapses on him and Jack Knight. While holding up the roof, he tells Jack something to the effect of he's sorry for what the bad Grundys did in the past and that he's making up for it, while crying. Then the roof collapses and kills him.

In retrospect, Grundy came dangerously close to inciting the "X Y is X" meme when he tells Jack "Tell Tedstar good Grundy was good Grundy". Tedstar being Ted Knight, the first Starman. He called Jack "Jackstar". I don't think it quite counts because he doesn't just end it at "good".

Originally posted by SamZED
What do you mean by "The first costumed reappearance of Spiderman in "Reign."?

Spider-man Reign was the story that was the Spider-man version of the classic Dark Knight Returns.

The story involved an elderly Peter coming out of his retirement from the webs in order to stop the bad guys. It had even more of a build up to putting on his costume than for Bruce Wayne in DKR.

That was a good storyline

Originally posted by PRAYERRUN
The comic when Aunt May died in her bed with Peter by her side was really moving.
I thought that the way that story was written was the best way to end Aunt May's life. She comes out of her coma, reveals to peter that she knew that he was spider-man all along, and then dies in her own bed with her nephew by her side. " first star on the right, and straight on till morning. "

Originally posted by theICONiac
DEATH OF SUPERMAN!!!

This is absolutely my most moving moment!

Ahhh, I remember like it was yesterday...

One warm spring day in '92 lil' teenage ICON received his sealed copy of Superman 75 in the mail...I readily ripped it open and headed for the bathroom in what was sure to be one of the most memorable bowel movements ever!

And sure enough, it delivered. After wiping I headed back to my bedroom. I flipped on 'Superman's Song' by the Crash Test Dummies (friggin' prophets I tell ya!) and contemplated on how I was going to spend the rest of my life in a world without Superman(comics)...

But we all know how THAT turned out furious

I am NOT the biggest Superman fan. I'm arguably a fan at all. I love the IDEA of Superman, just not a fan of how he's ever been executed. That said, I loved The Death of Superman. I remember when it happened, I was actually shocked. My friend said "Superman's been killed!", it was like an actual world event for those of us who were into comics. Even if you didn't like Superman, it was a shocking event.

It sucks balls that they brought him back so soon, but there you go.

What I loved about it was that it depicted Superman in the most heroic light, but also in his most vulnerable. I could never get into the guy because his stories felt like playing video games with infinite ammo and life; no point, nothing can really get to you.

However, when he witnessed just how much damage Doomsday had done to the area and the Justice League then headed for Metropolis, it showed a great element to his character. It seems like he felt "Oh shit, this guy could be the real deal. This could be it for Metropolis and everyone I love. I'm the only man who can stop him and he's probably the only man that can kill me...I could die here.", but he flew in and fought to his death anyway.

It was brilliantly done, and it was a great, brutal fight. It wasn't just a couple of punches and talking like most fights nowadays; it was an actual knock-down, drag-out, kill-or-be-killed fight. I've not really enjoyed Superman before or since.

My only regret (Besides bringing him back too soon) was that they gave Doomsday a feat he'd never surpass. One of the comic world's most fearsome villains and he's already peaked.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I am NOT the biggest Superman fan. I'm arguably a fan at all. I love the IDEA of Superman, just not a fan of how he's ever been executed. That said, I loved The Death of Superman. I remember when it happened, I was actually shocked. My friend said "Superman's been killed!", it was like an actual world event for those of us who were into comics. Even if you didn't like Superman, it was a shocking event.

It sucks balls that they brought him back so soon, but there you go.

What I loved about it was that it depicted Superman in the most heroic light, but also in his most vulnerable. I could never get into the guy because his stories felt like playing video games with infinite ammo and life; no point, nothing can really get to you.

However, when he witnessed just how much damage Doomsday had done to the area and the Justice League then headed for Metropolis, it showed a great element to his character. It seems like he felt "Oh shit, this guy could be the real deal. This could be it for Metropolis and everyone I love. I'm the only man who can stop him and he's probably the only man that can kill me...I could die here.", but he flew in and fought to his death anyway.

It was brilliantly done, and it was a great, brutal fight. It wasn't just a couple of punches and talking like most fights nowadays; it was an actual knock-down, drag-out, kill-or-be-killed fight. I've not really enjoyed Superman before or since.

My only regret (Besides bringing him back too soon) was that they gave Doomsday a feat he'd never surpass. One of the comic world's most fearsome villains and he's already peaked.

-AC

i'll cosign nearly all of that, except the part where you're not a fan. i've ALWAYS loved superman, since i was about 4 years old. i've not always loved his stories, and i've found as i grew older other characters more interesting, but if you asked me to name a comicbook character always and forever superman will be the first thing that i say.

his death was less meaningful than it could have been because they brought him back so soon, but what you said about the story was right on. it was an incredible event that transcended comics and i loved the story too.

A couple of punches and talking?

Take 2 minutes to read Invincible.

Anyways, one of the more moving scenes are possibly Superman/Ultraman versus Mandrakk. "You will never get past me" was pretty heavy.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
A couple of punches and talking?

Take 2 minutes to read Invincible.

Anyways, one of the more moving scenes are possibly Superman/Ultraman versus Mandrakk. "You will never get past me" was pretty heavy.


"But in the depths of the germ worlds I found a better story! An infant, rocketed away from a doomed planet..."

That hit me pretty hard. Superman beating up a dude because he's hella strong is one thing, but the idea of a good story being able to defeat evil is just a wonderful, true concpt.

I really like the scene where Absorbing Man went to visit Thunderstrike's grave and made Thor feel like an ass...

When Rorschach got obliterated by Dr Manhattan made me very sad.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze

Anyways, one of the more moving scenes are possibly Superman/Ultraman versus Mandrakk. "You will never get past me" was pretty heavy.

yes that really was moving it kind of told exactly what Superman stands for with that

The most recent I can think of is when the Wizard Shazam use his magic to turn Black Adam and Isis into statues in JSA. Damn Johns for making a touching romantic comic book tragedy into something worth reading.

Captain Americas death scene from earth X, where he was protecting Mar-Vell

Quasar...when quasar had to kill Eon and Quasar found his child Epoch...Cosmos in collision storyline.