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...inside the Sun? Superman is waiting in the sun for 24 hours before the battle is joined.

1) Only Sub-Skyfathers
2) Skyfathers Included
3) Any two characters from part 1

The Shadow King.

Even a few minutes can be dangerous for anyone if Superman is in the Sun. I don't want to know what happens if he is in for 24 hours. Characters like Thor, SS, or Sentry wouldn't be near his level anymore. My guess is that he would be near or surpassed Thanos level.

Galactus

Trans and higher.

Originally posted by Eel O'Brien
...inside the Sun? Superman is waiting in the sun for 24 hours before the battle is joined.

1) Only Sub-Skyfathers
2) Skyfathers Included
3) Any two characters from part 1

Are the characters allowed to immediately destroy the sun?

Originally posted by xJLxKing
My guess is that he would be near or surpassed Thanos level. lulz.

Any one who cannot be physically harmed could take a few wins.

Spectre or Anti-Monitor

lois with kryptonite

MJJ

Without CIS, Silver Surfer.

Turning the entire sun red, draining the solar radiation out of him, blasting him with a planet-destroying powered dose of red solar radiation, BFR into another dimension, etc.

Without CIS, Genis-Vell would also be able to do the exact same thing as mentioned above.

^^no destroying the sun

Originally posted by xJLxKing
^^no destroying the sun

1. That was never specified.
2. I didn't in my scenarios.

Originally posted by Enyalus
1. That was never specified.
2. I didn't in my scenarios.
1-True
2-You basicly turned it into a red sun destroying what makes it a yellow sun. You removed its power, and fuel

Surfer, Hulk ... quite a few characters.

Surfer has it easiest. just destroy Superman at the cellular and sub-cellular level, make it impossible for him to process the solar energy or make it excruciatingly painful for him to come into contact with light.


Hulk would just simply damage-soak until he grew strong enough to punch Superman into pieces.

I laughed

Tears of joy. Very funny

Originally posted by janus77
Surfer, Hulk ... quite a few characters.

Surfer has it easiest. just destroy Superman at the cellular and sub-cellular level, make it impossible for him to process the solar energy or make it excruciatingly painful for him to come into contact with light.


Hulk would just simply damage-soak until he grew strong enough to punch Superman into pieces. The fact that you actually believe Hulk can beat a sundipped Superman is laughable. At best.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
2-You basicly turned it into a red sun destroying what makes it a yellow sun. You removed its power, and fuel

No. I lowered its temperature. That's the difference between the two. One burns at a hotter temperature, the other doesn't.

Originally posted by Galan007
The fact that you actually believe Hulk can beat a sundipped Superman is laughable. At best.

Originally posted by janus77
Surfer, Hulk ... quite a few characters.

Surfer has it easiest. just destroy Superman at the cellular and sub-cellular level, make it impossible for him to process the solar energy or make it excruciatingly painful for him to come into contact with light.


Hulk would just simply damage-soak until he grew strong enough to punch Superman into pieces.

Yes Hulk can fight in the sun.

Originally posted by Galan007
The fact that you actually believe Hulk can beat a sundipped Superman is laughable. At best.

The fact that he thinks Hulk can fight in the sun is even more laughable.

Originally posted by Enyalus
No. I lowered its temperature. That's the difference between the two. One burns at a hotter temperature, the other doesn't.

Lowering it's temperature makes it a Giant Dwarf. If you lower the temperature you also lower the atoms in it(I think). It's fuel and how it creates enough temperature.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Without CIS, Silver Surfer.

Turning the entire sun red, draining the solar radiation out of him, blasting him with a planet-destroying powered dose of red solar radiation, BFR into another dimension, etc.


And this happens before a Superman that has been sundipped for 24 hours knocks his head off?

Storm

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Lowering it's temperature makes it a Giant Dwarf. If you lower the temperature you also lower the atoms in it(I think). It's fuel and how it creates enough temperature.

Dude you aren't even the OP so you can't say if Surfer should be allowed to do that or not.

Originally posted by Endrict Nuul
Storm

Storm controls stars, so she drains the sun of energy and just like that Superman loses all his powers INSTANTLY.

Oh yeah she throws cosmic wind for show too.

Storm stomps 100/10

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Lowering it's temperature makes it a Giant Dwarf. If you lower the temperature you also lower the atoms in it(I think). It's fuel and how it creates enough temperature.

Surfer is an energy manipulator. He can easily change the sun from yellow solar radiation to red.


Originally posted by Zack Fair
And this happens before a Superman that has been sundipped for 24 hours knocks his head off?

500 m apart. And Surfer has shielding. And has on panel FTL speeds, including bullrushes.

So in a word, yes.

You really think Surfer's shields will bother Sundipped Supes?

I could beat him off.

Silver Surfer

Originally posted by Val-E-Doosh
I could beat him off.

you'd like that wouldn't you?

Originally posted by Raoul
you'd like that wouldn't you?

Not as much as Supes. wink

Originally posted by Raoul
you'd like that wouldn't you?
You can't even imagine.

Originally posted by Raoul
you'd like that wouldn't you?

Hell who wouldn't? God forbid that he forgets to warn you and blasts you in the face. Let's just say that you are going to be flying through a few walls.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
You really think Surfer's shields will bother Sundipped Supes?

How fast can sundipped Supes travel? Why would he rush him at the word 'Go'?

Originally posted by Raoul

i don't think i want to...

What if I told you I was Asian?

Originally posted by Val-E-Doosh
What if I told you I was Asian?

hmm... go on...

Originally posted by Raoul
hmm... go on...
I don't think I want to...

Originally posted by Val-E-Doosh
I don't think I want to...

liar.

Originally posted by Enyalus
How fast can sundipped Supes travel? Why would he rush him at the word 'Go'?

Exponentially faster than current Supes. He has pushed against a planet sized object going at FTL speeds. He would rush him at the word go because he would be bloodlusted. Besides if he spent 24 hours in the sun he would do so because of a huge threat, so in that instance Supes sundipping is like him taking his glooves off. Meaning he'd be waiting for the match to start to flex those muscles against whatever poorsoul shortofskyfather that faces him.

Originally posted by Raoul
liar.
I think this is one of those "take it to PM moments" Bada talks about.

vin

Originally posted by Val-E-Doosh
I think this is one of those "take it to PM moments" Bada talks about.

vin

Originally posted by Val-E-Doosh
I think this is one of those "take it to PM moments" Bada talks about.

vin

Yeah he doesn't want to be incriminated or anything like that. They'll lock him up if they knew that he knew that members were solicting sexual services on the comic vs forums.

Dr. Fate or Dr. Strange maybe. I dont know, just taking a shot.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Yeah he doesn't want to be incriminated or anything like that. They'll lock him up if they knew that he knew that members were solicting sexual services on the comic vs forums.

SHH!!!

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Exponentially faster than current Supes. He has pushed against a planet sized object going at FTL speeds. He would rush him at the word go because he would be bloodlusted. Besides if he spent 24 hours in the sun he would do so because of a huge threat, so in that instance Supes sundipping is like him taking his glooves off. Meaning he'd be waiting for the match to start to flex those muscles against whatever poorsoul shortofskyfather that faces him.

He'd lose nearly all of his power instantly if Surfer turned the sun red. Prime did. New Earth Supes did as well. And Surfer has bullrushed at a minimum, conservative estimate of 31 million times faster than light speed. You don't have anything solid to show me saying that Superman can get to him faster. So I don't foresee any problem with Surfer doing what he needs to do to win.

Originally posted by Enyalus
He'd lose nearly all of his power instantly if Surfer turned the sun red. Prime did. New Earth Supes did as well. And Surfer has bullrushed at a minimum, conservative estimate of 31 million times faster than light speed. You don't have anything solid to show me saying that Superman can get to him faster. So I don't foresee any problem with Surfer doing what he needs to do to win.
Besides him travelling over 3 million lightyears in a panel while not sundipped and the fact that when sundipped he was tearing through a beyond herald level with utter ease?surfer is not transmuting a star before superman can cover 500 meters,and new earth superman doesn't instantly depower especially when he has a massive solar charge going.

I was about to cover the whole "Supes will instantly lose powers ala Prime" statement but I see there is no need.

Now I move on to Storm kicking Thanos's ass while posing for Playboy.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Besides him travelling over 3 million lightyears in a panel while not sundipped

When was this?

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
and new earth superman doesn't instantly depower especially when he has a massive solar charge going.

Yes he does. Especially when in the middle of the sun. NE Supes flew through the red sun with Prime and was instantly depowered. Amazo hit him with red sun radiation twice and dropped him quick, each time. These are all recent events. I might be able to think of more recent times, too.

No he doesn't he has been in middle of a star when it turned red and didn't instantly depower,and yes of course he depowered when he went through the middle of a red star and then landed on a planet full of kryptonite,and sundipped superman dipping for 24 hours is going to have a ridiculous amount of power stored up,surfer would get torn limb from limb with utter ease.

Originally posted by Enyalus


When was this?



Yes he does. Especially when in the middle of the sun. NE Supes flew through the red sun with Prime and was instantly depowered. Amazo hit him with red sun radiation twice and dropped him quick, each time. These are all recent events. I might be able to think of more recent times, too.
By the time SS tries to transform the Yellow Sun by depowering it, Superman would be soo far away that its not even going to be an issue to him

Originally posted by xJLxKing
By the time SS tries to transform the Yellow Sun by depowering it, Superman would be soo far away that its not even going to be an issue to him

What?

Originally posted by Zack Fair
What?

lulz

Originally posted by Zack Fair
What?
You should quote

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
No he doesn't he has been in middle of a star when it turned red and didn't instantly depower,and yes of course he depowered when he went through the middle of a red star and then landed on a planet full of kryptonite,and sundipped superman dipping for 24 hours is going to have a ridiculous amount of power stored up,surfer would get torn limb from limb with utter ease.

If what you say is true about him not depowering immediately, then you're right - Surfer would get his salad tossed (haha). I still don't believe it, though. Again, he's got plenty of instances where he is depowered very quickly by a red solar burst.

Do you know the issue or anything you're referring to regarding the 3 mil lightyears in a panel thing?

Originally posted by xJLxKing
By the time SS tries to transform the Yellow Sun by depowering it, Superman would be soo far away that its not even going to be an issue to him

So he is going to remove himself from the battlefield because it is stated that they are fighting in the sun. So by your logic, Superman would be so afraid that he would just forfeit.

Infinite crisis they took prime from almost the middle of the universe to the andromeda galaxy(which is where rao is)in 2 panels,the andromeda galaxy 2.5 million lightyears from the milky way...and the milky way isn't the center of the universe so it was a minimum 2.5 million lightyears which if it took them an entire day to achieve(lol)puts them at 912,500,000 times the speed of light...non sundipped,sundipped supermans stats skyrocket from a couple hours in the sun...

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
So he is going to remove himself from the battlefield because it is stated that they are fighting in the sun. So by your logic, Superman would be so afraid that he would just forfeit.
I forgot about that!

Originally posted by xJLxKing
I forgot about that!

I can see that.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
I can see that.

It doesn't have to say its lightspeed,distance and a time reference is all that is ever needed,we know it happened in less then a day we know that for it to take a day it would make them 912.5 million times the speed of light,we know it took much less then a day because there is no way they fought prime off for a day,using a comic where the writer has no idea what the speed of light is has no barring on current supermans speed,he is 912.5million times the speed of light minimum without sundipping.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
It doesn't have to say its lightspeed,distance and a time reference is all that is ever needed,we know it happened in less then a day we know that for it to take a day it would make them 912.5 million times the speed of light,we know it took much less then a day because there is no way they fought prime off for a day,using a comic where the writer has no idea what the speed of light is has no barring on current supermans speed,he is 912.5million times the speed of light minimum without sundipping.

Not knowing what the speed of light is? No, its more probable that Supes simply cannot break light speed under his own power.

Superman Blue and Red being about equal in speed, and saying that the only one comparable is the Flash. They're faster in their energy form than in their previous form, capable of covering half the globe almost instantly...still, not light speed:

1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/SupesMOT10_007.jpg
2. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/SupesMOT10_008.jpg

Nevertheless, Supes is going just under lightspeed when bullrushing Cyborg to the sun:

1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/SupesRBp50.jpg
2. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/SupesRBp51.jpg

Superman traveling across Metropolis to stop a bullet...he's not successful:

1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Ruin05.jpg
2. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Ruin06.jpg
3. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Ruin07.jpg

Want a more recent example? JLA #14, Dr. Light admits Superman is fast - but not faster than light. And proceeds to tag and drop him:

1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/JLA14p20.jpg

Another? JLA #24. Diana states that with Superman's powers Amazo could come back to Earth (23,000 miles away) in a few minutes. Diana has fought with and against Supes for years. She's a credible source:

1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/JLA24p18.jpg

I'm sure a lot of people have been misled about Supes flying Darkseid from the Earth to the edge of the universe in one page. Well, he does...problem is, he uses a boom tube to do so:

1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Supes-Bats13p9.jpg
2. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Supes-Bats13p10.jpg

In DOTNG, Supes travels from Vega to Earth in a few minutes (25 lightyears away.) I'd post that picture too, but I don't have the issue (I did read it, however.) Problem is that the flight is off panel. We don't see him 'til he's back on Earth. He could have used his speed and flown...or he could have used a boom tube, or a JLA transport. We don't know. And if you're gonna take everything that happens off-panel as fact, then Sentry stalemated Galactus and other such nonsense.

I may not have as many issues with Supes in them as Avlon or some others, but I do have plenty. And I've never seen Supes break light speed under his own power conclusively. That honor would go to Surfer, Gladiator, Takion, Lightray, etc.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Not knowing what the speed of light is? No, its more probable that Supes simply cannot break light speed under his own power.

Superman Blue and Red being about equal in speed, and saying that the only one comparable is the Flash. They're faster in their energy form than in their previous form, capable of covering half the globe almost instantly...still, not light speed:

1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/SupesMOT10_007.jpg
2. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/SupesMOT10_008.jpg

Nevertheless, Supes is going just under lightspeed when bullrushing Cyborg to the sun:

1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/SupesRBp50.jpg
2. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/SupesRBp51.jpg

Superman traveling across Metropolis to stop a bullet...he's not successful:

1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Ruin05.jpg
2. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Ruin06.jpg
3. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Ruin07.jpg

Want a more recent example? JLA #14, Dr. Light admits Superman is fast - but not faster than light. And proceeds to tag and drop him:

1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/JLA14p20.jpg

Another? JLA #24. Diana states that with Superman's powers Amazo could come back to Earth (23,000 miles away) in a few minutes. Diana has fought with and against Supes for years. She's a credible source:

1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/JLA24p18.jpg

I'm sure a lot of people have been misled about Supes flying Darkseid from the Earth to the edge of the universe in one page. Well, he does...problem is, he uses a boom tube to do so:

1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Supes-Bats13p9.jpg
2. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Supes-Bats13p10.jpg

In DOTNG, Supes travels from Vega to Earth in a few minutes (25 lightyears away.) I'd post that picture too, but I don't have the issue (I did read it, however.) Problem is that the flight is off panel. We don't see him 'til he's back on Earth. He could have used his speed and flown...or he could have used a boom tube, or a JLA transport. We don't know. And if you're gonna take everything that happens off-panel as fact, then Sentry stalemated Galactus and other such nonsense.

I may not have as many issues with Supes in them as Avlon or some others, but I do have plenty. And I've never seen Supes break light speed under his own power conclusively. That honor would go to Surfer, Gladiator, Takion, Lightray, etc.
Actually I will stop you there. Superman has broken the speed of light. He escaped a double black hole. A black hole traps even light but superman escaped which mean he was going faster. Superman also took Ds to the moon in a few seconds. It takes sunlight about 9 minutes, or 4to get to earth from the Sun(duh) I forgot. Also you are not gicing superman enough credit, you only show his failures. That's stupid. How about I show the failures of SS. It would be stupid.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Not knowing what the speed of light is? No, its more probable that Supes simply cannot break light speed under his own power.

Superman Blue and Red being about equal in speed, and saying that the only one comparable is the Flash. They're faster in their energy form than in their previous form, capable of covering half the globe almost instantly...still, not light speed:

1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/SupesMOT10_007.jpg
2. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/SupesMOT10_008.jpg

Nevertheless, Supes is going just under lightspeed when bullrushing Cyborg to the sun:

1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/SupesRBp50.jpg
2. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/SupesRBp51.jpg

Superman traveling across Metropolis to stop a bullet...he's not successful:

1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Ruin05.jpg
2. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Ruin06.jpg
3. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Ruin07.jpg

Want a more recent example? JLA #14, Dr. Light admits Superman is fast - but not faster than light. And proceeds to tag and drop him:

1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/JLA14p20.jpg

Another? JLA #24. Diana states that with Superman's powers Amazo could come back to Earth (23,000 miles away) in a few minutes. Diana has fought with and against Supes for years. She's a credible source:

1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/JLA24p18.jpg

I'm sure a lot of people have been misled about Supes flying Darkseid from the Earth to the edge of the universe in one page. Well, he does...problem is, he uses a boom tube to do so:

1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Supes-Bats13p9.jpg
2. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Supes-Bats13p10.jpg

In DOTNG, Supes travels from Vega to Earth in a few minutes (25 lightyears away.) I'd post that picture too, but I don't have the issue (I did read it, however.) Problem is that the flight is off panel. We don't see him 'til he's back on Earth. He could have used his speed and flown...or he could have used a boom tube, or a JLA transport. We don't know. And if you're gonna take everything that happens off-panel as fact, then Sentry stalemated Galactus and other such nonsense.

I may not have as many issues with Supes in them as Avlon or some others, but I do have plenty. And I've never seen Supes break light speed under his own power conclusively. That honor would go to Surfer, Gladiator, Takion, Lightray, etc.
Except when he travels to different galaxies or went to saturn in 4 minutes from earth or a dozen other times,its your job to prove he does use a boomtube or something when one was never used in fact we see them flying in infinite crisis and guess what?no boomtube no aiding device just flying they flew at minimum 912.5 million times the speed of light sorry if that hurts your feelings it happened don't act like a retard every single example your using is from pretty much before 2000ish which is when superman started breaking lightspeed again he constantly gets stronger every year under yellow sun and hes now far far beyond lightspeed again.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Except when he travels to different galaxies or went to saturn in 4 minutes from earth or a dozen other times,its your job to prove he does use a boomtube or something when one was never used in fact we see them flying in infinite crisis and guess what?no boomtube no aiding device just flying they flew at minimum 912.5 million times the speed of light sorry if that hurts your feelings it happened don't act like a retard every single example your using is from pretty much before 2000ish which is when superman started breaking lightspeed again he constantly gets stronger every year under yellow sun and hes now far far beyond lightspeed again.

Um, three of the scans are from Feb 2006, one is from Dec 2007, and one is from Oct 2008.

So no. Not true. And from Earth to Saturn in four minutes sounds about right for someone who can go at or just below light speed.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Um, three of the scans are from Feb 2006, one is from Dec 2007, and one is from Oct 2008.

So no. Not true. And from Earth to Saturn in four minutes sounds about right for someone who can go at or just below light speed.
I am pretty sure it take 20, or 19 minutes

Originally posted by xJLxKing
I am pretty sure it take 20, or 19 minutes

Not in comic books. Check out the Cyborg scans. There are countless other examples, but I'm not digging through them all.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Not in comic books. Check out the Cyborg scans. There are countless other examples, but I'm not digging through them all.
Lol, light takes 20 or 19 minutes to there. It how it works!

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Lol, light takes 20 or 19 minutes to there. It how it works!

From the Earth to Saturn...not from the sun to Saturn.

Originally posted by Enyalus
From the Earth to Saturn...not from the sun to Saturn.
Yes, I know, but thats not my point. Speed of Light is about 186000. It 8:20 second for the sun to reach earth. I believe it takes about 20 minutes. If you do the math correctly its
x+8:20=20 (right) Its 11.40 minutes. That means he has done it about 2.5 times faster. If you believe the math

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Yes, I know, but thats not my point. Speed of Light is about 186000. It 8:20 second for the sun to reach earth. I believe it takes about 20 minutes. If you do the math correctly its
x+8:20=20 (right) Its 11.40 minutes. That means he has done it about 2.5 times faster. If you believe the math

And like I'm saying, it's comic book physics. You think any of them actually knows it takes 11 minutes to get from Earth to Saturn?

Originally posted by Enyalus
And like I'm saying, it's comic book physics. You think any of them actually knows it takes 11 minutes to get from Earth to Saturn?
Ahahah that stupid!! Superman escaped a black hole by surpassing the speed of light. That the only logic our world has, and superman used it. Guess what? It even stated that Superman reached Speed of Light and surpassed it. What's even more shocking is the estimate number on the bottom of the panel was 186000 Just like I already said. Which mean that Speed Of light is the same as it is in "our" world. Now it's up to you to prove why can I use it in the same example I stated!! Can't huh??

I already posted about 3 different feats of Superman going faster then the Speed Of light. It's up to you to accept it, or, but do not use stupid excuses.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Ahahah that stupid!! Superman escaped a black hole by surpassing the speed of light.

Meh. Don't suppose you'd know the issue, or a scan, or something? I've not seen it - though again, I'm not the authority on Supes. Was he inside of it? Skimming the event horizon? What were the circumstances?

Originally posted by Enyalus
Meh. Don't suppose you'd know the issue, or a scan, or something? I've not seen it - though again, I'm not the authority on Supes. Was he inside of it? Skimming the event horizon? What were the circumstances? I will try to find it on the respect thread, and no I dont know the issue #

Taken from respect thread credit to KgKg

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Taken from respect thread credit to KgKg

Right. Okay.

He's going the speed of light in that. I just said I didn't and don't know of an instance where he went faster than light speed (hence the acronym FTL).

Originally posted by Enyalus
Right. Okay.

He's going the speed of light in that. I just said I didn't and don't know of an instance where he went faster than light speed (hence the acronym FTL).
??He got out of it! To get out of a black hole one must ravel faster then light

Originally posted by xJLxKing
??He got out of it! To get out of a black hole one must ravel faster then light

It says on panel you need to equal light speed. And the last number shown is 186,000 mps.

Did you read the scan?

Originally posted by Enyalus
It says on panel you need to equal light speed. And the last number shown is 186,000 mps.

Did you read the scan?
The scans stop there. The fact is, he got out.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
The scans stop there. The fact is, he got out.

"184,202 miles per second. Just shy of the speed of light. And accelerating....

...Where the escape velocity equals the speed of light."


That's what the scan says.

Originally posted by Enyalus
"184,202 miles per second. Just shy of the speed of light. And accelerating....

...Where the escape velocity equals the speed of light."


That's what the scan says.
Read it againt. It says accelerating. In fact he also beats the SOL.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Read it againt. It says accelerating. In fact he also beats the SOL.

You're wrong. That's all I can say. He equals light speed to escape the black hole. Hence escape velocity. 184,202 mps is not light speed. When he hits that, he's accelerating still...until he reaches light speed, to escape the black hole. It's all there, right in the scan. Self-explanatory.

Originally posted by Enyalus
You're wrong. That's all I can say. He equals light speed to escape the black hole. Hence escape velocity. 184,202 mps is not light speed. When he hits that, he's accelerating still...until he reaches light speed, to escape the black hole. It's all there, right in the scan. Self-explanatory.
hehhe Speed of light is estimate 186000. How does he equal it? He didn't even hit the estimate yet because he was accelerating. Did you even see him exit? No, because there is another page to it. Where he breakes SOL barrier and gets through unharmed

Someone is wrong, that much I'm sure of.

Originally posted by Mindset
Someone is wrong, that much I'm sure of.
Omg like omg I think you are on to something

Originally posted by xJLxKing
hehhe Speed of light is estimate 186000. How does he equal it? He didn't even hit the estimate yet because he was accelerating. Did you even see him exit? No, because there is another page to it. Where he breakes SOL barrier and gets through unharmed

God ****ing damnit. It says, on panel, that escape velocity is the speed of light. Meaning in order to escape the black hole, he needed to be going the speed of light or faster. He wasn't at light speed initially, he was just under it. Then he continues to accelerate, and escapes the black hole. Hence he's traveling at light speed. Nothing indicates he was going faster. At all.

Originally posted by Enyalus
God ****ing damnit. It says, on panel, that escape velocity is the speed of light. Meaning in order to escape the black hole, he needed to be going the speed of light or faster. He wasn't at light speed initially, he was just under it. Then he continues to accelerate, and escapes the black hole. Hence he's traveling at light speed. Nothing indicates he was going faster. At all.
You don't understand! Superman was hitting Speed Of Light on the next panel. He also beats it! Not only that, but I have already shown you other feats, this feats' only purpose was to prove SOL is the same speed as "our" world

Originally posted by kgkg

????

I'm going to stab someone to death. And it's going to be this kid's fault.

Ignore him, he's Canadian.

Originally posted by Enyalus
I'm going to stab someone to death. And it's going to be this kid's fault.
I think you should just accept it. I proved Superman goes faster then SOL. He reached Saturn in 4 Minutes. It should have taken him about 11-12

Originally posted by Enyalus

]http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/th_Annihilation-SilverSurfer1-014.jpghttp://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/th_Annihilation-SilverSurfer1-015.jpg

"Seconds later and lightyears away."

Not to mention all these:

So, pretty much the slowest he could be going is 6.5 times the speed of light in that scan, provided the plurality means 2 for each..

Originally posted by Enyalus
Yes he does. Especially when in the middle of the sun. NE Supes flew through the red sun with Prime and was instantly depowered. Amazo hit him with red sun radiation twice and dropped him quick, each time. These are all recent events. I might be able to think of more recent times, too.

wrong.

when superman is depowered, he becomes baseline human. he wouldnt have survived the flight from the red sun to mogo. he was being made weaker, and was made further weaker by the kryptonite.

if he had been truly depowered, he would have been dead before they hit the planet. he wouldnt have been able to push prime, and he wouldnt have been able to fight with all that kryptonite around.

and lulz at using mcduffie's doctor light as an example. this is the mcduffie that for years wrote electricity as a weakness of superman's in JLU...

and amazo? after the first red sun blast, he was down, but still had sufficient energy to use his heat vision. he couldn't be depowered if he was going to do that...

also, he has the feats to show he's broken lightspeed. they've been posted over and over and over again. people don't like it?

Tough.

Originally posted by Enyalus
(Rao is in Andromeda?)

Anywho, I know that seems like + light speed, but since it says nothing about it, you can't assume that it actually was FTL. I'll provide you with an example:

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/th_SupesRBp50.jpghttp://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/th_SupesRBp51.jpg

Superman Red (who was equal with Superman Blue in speed - the same Superman Blue who kept up with the Flash on Earth) rushes Henshaw to the sun in less than a page, really. However, if you read it - he flat out tells us he's going just under light speed. In reality, this trip lasted at least nine minutes. Does it seem like that? Hell no. In fact, I don't recall any time when Supes has explicitly traveled at FTL speeds. With the Silver Surfer, this is not the case:

]http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/th_Annihilation-SilverSurfer1-014.jpghttp://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/th_Annihilation-SilverSurfer1-015.jpg

"Seconds later and lightyears away."

Not to mention all these:

Yes but in order for that feat to be at light speed, it would have taken over 2.5 million years to get there. So logic dictates he was going faster. Even if it took him a year, that is still 2.5 Million the speed of light. Anyone who traverses Galaxy's under their own power is an FTL'er plain and simple.

Wow. That's a lot of arguing about Superman's speed.

Even if someone enters the sun who is faster than Supes, they still wouldn't be fast enough to finish him before he can make a move. So the speed thing is not AS important as some folks are making it.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
???? it was about speed it's funny is Superman faster than light speed or not keeps poping up.

Originally posted by kgkg
it was about speed it's funny is Superman faster than light speed or not keeps poping up.
So does this mean you disagree? There is nothing to point either.

BTW I don't even know why we started this debate, but I happy its done and I won

Originally posted by xJLxKing
So does this mean you disagree? Disagree with what?

Originally posted by kgkg
Disagree with what? If superman can go beyond Speed of light

Originally posted by Enyalus
God ****ing damnit. It says, on panel, that escape velocity is the speed of light. Meaning in order to escape the black hole, he needed to be going the speed of light or faster. He wasn't at light speed initially, he was just under it. Then he continues to accelerate, and escapes the black hole. Hence he's traveling at light speed. Nothing indicates he was going faster. At all. Light can't escape a black hole, thus, he accelerated past this point.

Originally posted by Enyalus
(Rao is in Andromeda?)

Anywho, I know that seems like + light speed, but since it says nothing about it, you can't assume that it actually was FTL. I'll provide you with an example:

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/th_SupesRBp50.jpghttp://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/th_SupesRBp51.jpg

Superman Red (who was equal with Superman Blue in speed - the same Superman Blue who kept up with the Flash on Earth) rushes Henshaw to the sun in less than a page, really. However, if you read it - he flat out tells us he's going just under light speed. In reality, this trip lasted at least nine minutes. Does it seem like that? Hell no. In fact, I don't recall any time when Supes has explicitly traveled at FTL speeds. With the Silver Surfer, this is not the case:

]http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/th_Annihilation-SilverSurfer1-014.jpghttp://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/th_Annihilation-SilverSurfer1-015.jpg

"Seconds later and lightyears away."

Not to mention all these: In countdown, Superman flew from the Vega system to Earth in a few beeps from Jimmy Olsen's watch. Very very much faster than lightspeed.

When Lex elected President, he flew from Earth to a moon of Saturn, in under 4 minutes, vastly faster than lightspeed.

In Infinite Crisis, Superman chased Superboy Prime across the universe, at vastly faster than lightspeed, otherwise getting there would have taken millions of years.

I explained this to him already, but he wont listen!

Originally posted by Juntai
Light can't escape a black hole, thus, he accelerated past this point.

you know this, and i know this, but...

Originally posted by Juntai
Light can't escape a black hole, thus, he accelerated past this point.

No. Read the scan. It states that that was a common misconception. And then mentions, specifically, that escape velocity of that particular black hole was light speed. Meaning in order to escape it, he'd have to be going light speed or faster. And since the last speed given is below c when he is accelerating, why should I assume he breaks c when he only needs to equal it in order to escape?

Originally posted by Juntai
In countdown, Superman flew from the Vega system to Earth in a few beeps from Jimmy Olsen's watch. Very very much faster than lightspeed.

I thought that was in DOTNG, but okay. I mentioned it earlier - how he got back to Earth is a mystery. It happened off-panel. Could have easily been a boom tube or JLA transport.

Originally posted by Juntai
In Infinite Crisis, Superman chased Superboy Prime across the universe, at vastly faster than lightspeed, otherwise getting there would have taken millions of years.

Yeah, but then GLs were also chasing him. And, correct me if I'm wrong, but GLs don't go FTL. To cover the vast distances they travel in space they open stargates/wormholes.




Raoul, by 'depowered' I didn't mean, you know - literally depowered. I meant greatly weakened. My bad.

If SS can't react fast enough, I think that Waverider or Genis-Vell could pull the win. And barring them...no one else really until you get to above Skyfather level. People like Dark Phoenix, who eat stars.

doc strange

Originally posted by xJLxKing
If superman can go beyond Speed of light Evidence for both exist you can choose what you like.

I have yet to see a quantifiable FTL ie in number where it say Superman is going FTL.

Sure there many space feat we can call FTL ie calculating distances from Object A to B takes 50 light years and superman does it in one panel.(stuff like that)

IMO Superman can go faster than light if he accelerate fast enough meaning in space he can keep increasing his speed to beyond that.

One of the main reason Superman can't fly faster than speed of sound is it cause collateral/ environmental damage.( but again has been ignored by writers since feats of faster than that exist even on earth)

IMO Superman can go faster than light in space since he can keep accelerating at exponential rate while on earth he does not have that luxury.

Originally posted by Enyalus
I thought that was in DOTNG, but okay. I mentioned it earlier - how he got back to Earth is a mystery. It happened off-panel. Could have easily been a boom tube or JLA transport.

yet when its surfer, people seem to automatically assume he did it under his own power... not exactly fair, is it?



no problem...

Originally posted by Enyalus

Yeah, but then GLs were also chasing him. And, correct me if I'm wrong, but GLs don't go FTL. To cover the vast distances they travel in space they open stargates/wormholes.
No sir, GL's can travel transluminal.

Originally posted by Raoul
yet when its surfer, people seem to automatically assume he did it under his own power... not exactly fair, is it?

'Cept I've posted scans from Norrin's respect thread (and one that wasn't there) which shows him going FTL without it being off-panel.


Originally posted by Juntai
No sir, GL's can travel transluminal.

Ah. Kay.



What do you and Raoul think about Waverider & Genis taking this? Waverider could stop time and BFR him easily enough, and Genis is capable of BFRing to the Microverse. Not only that, but he controls photonic energy, which is what solar radiation is (basically). Barring those guys, I can't really think of anyone trans or below who could stop Supes. I think even the best skyfathers - Odin, Ares, etc. would be hard pressed to stop him. IMO ya gotta go even higher, to people like Dark Phoenix, who also powers up from stars, or Extant, who's composed of purely entropic energy in order to stop him for the majority.

Any suggestions from you two?

Originally posted by Enyalus
'Cept I've posted scans from Norrin's respect thread (and one that wasn't there) which shows him going FTL without it being off-panel.

because it's not directly specified on panel it didn't happen? he said he was at vega... he didnt mention anything about a teleporter or any other method of transportation. and if it was a jla transporter, he wouldnt have flown to the scene the way he did in the comic... i mean, he would have beamed in all star trek like if he'd used a teleporter wouldnt he?



i'm not sure, to be honest... it's entirely possible they could, imo...

Superman is FTL, and this is undebatable.

Originally posted by Enyalus
'Cept I've posted scans from Norrin's respect thread (and one that wasn't there) which shows him going FTL without it being off-panel.




Ah. Kay.



What do you and Raoul think about Waverider & Genis taking this? Waverider could stop time and BFR him easily enough, and Genis is capable of BFRing to the Microverse. Not only that, but he controls photonic energy, which is what solar radiation is (basically). Barring those guys, I can't really think of anyone trans or below who could stop Supes. I think even the best skyfathers - Odin, Ares, etc. would be hard pressed to stop him. IMO ya gotta go even higher, to people like Dark Phoenix, who also powers up from stars, or Extant, who's composed of purely entropic energy in order to stop him for the majority.

Any suggestions from you two? I haven't really considered it, I was just adding my input on the couple of topics... but, I agree that battlefield removal is going to be one of the best options.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Barring those guys, I can't really think of anyone trans or below who could stop Supes. I think even the best skyfathers - Odin, Ares, etc. would be hard pressed to stop him. IMO ya gotta go even higher, to people like Dark Phoenix, who also powers up from stars, or Extant, who's composed of purely entropic energy in order to stop him for the majority. shit

BFR would take the fight out of the Sun. So no BFR...

I would like to see a sundipped superman vs the new marvel


old captian marvel and shazam combined. =)

Originally posted by Eel O'Brien
BFR would take the fight out of the Sun. So no BFR...

Ghey.

Supreme Power Hyperion, then, just because I'm a bastard.