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This is the thread where I will express myself with a political rant involving one of today's issues. And my first one: Racism and Sexism.

I am sorry, but we are all different. equal, but different. A black person is a black person, on average a kenyan will run faster than some fatass english dude, and some people are better at certain things than others.

When you ask me to compare a man with a woman, a black man with a white man, its like asking me to compare a wrench with a screwdriver with a hammer. they are all equally indispensable, but they are better at different things. Sure you can use a wrench as a hammer, but its not going to do as good of a job.

I respect a man in a business suit. This is a man who I am motivated by, who It is an honor knowing. those people who hang out on the streets who collect on welfare, I have no respect for them. They don't have the ambition or the motivation to better their position, they live in crap, they are content with crap, and they aren't even trying. Black or white, man or woman, you're better at work.

So why am I so P'O'd about people who cry racism? because its dead. If anything, the white people are the ones being discriminated against. We work hard, and our just deserts are taken to pay for welfare, which is almost totally lazy, ambitionless black people. I'm not saying that white people aren't lazy and ambitionless, but most of the people our tax money goes to are either mexican or black people who take from society and never give. Why is the government so biased? I don't know, you will have to ask someone else, but this is socialistic and it removes the need to work. Why work when I can get a check once a month and live in a dump?

Sexism:
Ok, I'm sorry, this is going to sound horribly biased and awful, but a man is a man and a woman is a woman. they are different, k? They are both needed, both should have equal rights, but they shouldn't get equal treatment because they are different. Nobody likes walking down the street and seeing some white trash tub who thinks shes some guy. Women are more elegant, more visually appealing, and just overall better than men. Men are stronger, more base, and can accomplish more physically. Why are we crying about the man-woman ratio in management? the truth is, the man to woman ratio in the workforce is the same. Its not an all boys game, its open, just more women tend to be stay at home moms or don't stay in the workforce long enough to get a management position.

Whats my point? I'm tired of the race card and the sexism card. I'm going to f***ing treat you like an american if you are black or white or male or female. I'm not treating a female like a male (seriously she'd think that's kind of creepy), and I'm not treating white or black trash like people who go out and work for their living. And I don't expect someone to treat me like a woman. If i hear someone else whining because they are black and they didn't get a job or a raise or a promotion, i'm going to stab them, because its not that your black, its probably that you were less qualified than your competitor. In the sense that the only ones talking about racism or whining about it are the black people, the only ones being racist towards the black people are themselves.

(this is something i wrote down to get my ideas down for a paper i am writing. I decided that it might be nice to hear some people's opinions in the process)

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11

So why am I so P'O'd about people who cry racism? because its dead. If anything, the white people are the ones being discriminated against. We work hard, and our just deserts are taken to pay for welfare, which is almost totally lazy, ambitionless black people. I'm not saying that white people aren't lazy and ambitionless, but most of the people our tax money goes to are either mexican or black people who take from society and never give. Why is the government so biased?

Dude. Are you serious. You know just because you claimed not to be racist doesn't mean that you then can state all sorts of racist shit. Do you have numbers for welfare, by the way? How do you know about all those lazy blacks stealing your money?

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11

They are both needed, both should have equal rights, but they shouldn't get equal treatment because they are different. Nobody likes walking down the street and seeing some white trash tub who thinks shes some guy. Women are more elegant, more visually appealing, and just overall better than men. Men are stronger, more base, and can accomplish more physically. Why are we crying about the man-woman ratio in management? the truth is, the man to woman ratio in the workforce is the same. Its not an all boys game, its open, just more women tend to be stay at home moms or don't stay in the workforce long enough to get a management position.

Again, I don't know where you get the numbers. I would assume you got a point about there being some inequalities not due to sexism, but due to preference of the females. But, again, sexism does exist and women do get discriminated against for no other reason than their gender.


Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
Whats my point? I'm tired of the race card and the sexism card. I'm going to f***ing treat you like an american if you are black or white or male or female. I'm not treating a female like a male (seriously she'd think that's kind of creepy), and I'm not treating white or black trash like people who go out and work for their living. And I don't expect someone to treat me like a woman.

That's what most civil rights activists want though. The problem is that people don't treat them as "americans" but as ******* or spics or breeding machines.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
If i hear someone else whining because they are black and they didn't get a job or a raise or a promotion, i'm going to stab them, because its not that your black, its probably that you were less qualified than your competitor. In the sense that the only ones talking about racism or whining about it are the black people, the only ones being racist towards the black people are themselves.

Well, that's just ignorant. The matter of the fact is that it is harder for blacks to suceed, their "whining" is still very much justified. But yes, racism goes both ways.

Originally posted by Bardock42
That's what most civil rights activists want though. The problem is that people don't treat them as "americans" but as ******* or spics or breeding machines.

To be fair women are mainly breeding machines.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
To be fair women are mainly breeding machines.

And sandwich makers, can't forget that crucial role.

P.S. This thread sucks, I was expecting some thought-out and intelligent ranting, yet Bardock42, one of KMCs lower life forms tore it to shreds and he wasn't even trying.

wait... are we allowed to start personal rant threads?

If so, I'll take 3

Originally posted by inimalist
If so, I'll take 3

That's what she said?

lol

you bet she did

First of all, I didn't say all black people are lazy or ambitionless or that white people weren't. I said that the ones who collect off of welfare are, and that welfare mostly consists of black (or mexican) people. The numbers are there.

Second of all,

as long as we are asking for numbers, I'd like you to find a poll and see what percent of people treat them as this. And I believe that anyone has the right to treat anyone the way they want to as long as they are not hurting them or invading their property or lands. Racism does exist, but its so infinitesimal that i wonder wtf people are complaining about. What do you want to do, force that fat racist bastard to love black people? At this point, its so eliminated on a commercial and a federal scale, the only thing they could be doing is forcing individuals change their private views. I mean come on, if the majority of people thought that blacks were ******* and treated them that way, then Obama would not be president.

LoL, racist.

Edit: Welfare is collected by more Caucasians than any other group, simply because they're more white people in America. Now population to percentage-wise, you might be right.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
To be fair women are mainly breeding machines.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
First of all, I didn't say all black people are lazy or ambitionless or that white people weren't. I said that the ones who collect off of welfare are, and that welfare mostly consists of black (or mexican) people. The numbers are there.

I asked for them, could you show them to me?

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
Second of all,

as long as we are asking for numbers, I'd like you to find a poll and see what percent of people treat them as this. And I believe that anyone has the right to treat anyone the way they want to as long as they are not hurting them or invading their property or lands. Racism does exist, but its so infinitesimal that i wonder wtf people are complaining about. What do you want to do, force that fat racist bastard to love black people? At this point, its so eliminated on a commercial and a federal scale, the only thing they could be doing is forcing individuals change their private views. I mean come on, if the majority of people thought that blacks were ******* and treated them that way, then Obama would not be president.

How would you gather those numbers? And I agree with you, I think people shouldn't be forced to not be racist, but, you are the one saying that you stab the next guy that whines about racism. We should apply the same treatment to both side. And there is a very, very, very large gap between the majority and infinitesimal. Even if only every 1 in 100 whites thinks that black people are all lazy bums that steal welfare money and all Mexicans are illegal assholes that steal good white American jobs then that is still very noticeable and a big number.

this thread is the intellectual equivalent of straight men who think women have it equal in society but don't want to hang around gay people for fear of being hit on.

OH and gay people I don't want to be sued because I think that gay is illogical for us as a race, that would suck.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
OH and gay people I don't want to be sued because I think that gay is illogical for us as a race, that would suck.

In English, please?

pretty much being gay is illogical for our race, it produces neither babies nor any positive results. It only serves to spread/originate aids.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
pretty much being gay is illogical for our race, it produces neither babies nor any positive results. It only serves to spread/originate aids. What utter idiocy. You are extremely ignorant to very vital issues for many American people today, and your "rant" is nothing more than a collection of racist, sexist and homophobic ideas, you should be ashamed.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Dude. Are you serious. You know just because you claimed not to be racist doesn't mean that you then can state all sorts of racist shit. Do you have numbers for welfare, by the way? How do you know about all those lazy blacks stealing your money?

http://www.libraryindex.com/pages/913/Comparing-New-TANF-with-Old-AFDC-LENGTH-TIME-ON-WELFARE.html

That's a slightly old statistic.


I can't find any newer ones.


At first, the numbers don't appear to directly make Knight's case(no pun intended, lol). Closer inspection, as you would do, would reveal a different story, per capita.

There is a significantly higher number, per capita, of African Americans on welfare. I just did quick math in my head....but I don't have exact numbers.

K.

300 million Americans.

12.4% are African American.

2.6 average number of family members on welfare.

this comes out to

14.82% of all African American families on welfare. This calculation is slightly flawed because we don't know how many members are, on average, in each African American family. It could be twice the average of 2.6....it could be half the average of 2.6. Both of which would greatly throw off the numbers. We can assume, to be fair, that the average number of members in each family is about the same across all the races.


Wait, I was correct, there is a difference. There are more, on average, family members in African American households than white. So that throws the numbers off even more. It is 2.68 for African Americans....or.

That changes the calculation to 15.28.

http://www.2010census.biz/population/socdemo/hh-fam/cps2001/tabavg1.pdf


K.



We will do the same calculation for white people.

300 million Americans

76% of Americans are white.

2.54 average members per family.

2.36% of American families are on welfare.


Now..

My math is still slightly off because the average number of family members, as the income goes down, goes up. In other words, the poor have more children than the rich. So my numbers still aren't sound for 2001s data.




However, this puts into perspective where that racial generalization comes from.




Now, chime in psychological studies that talks about poor people staying down in poor status. Bleh. I'm not much on that so I'll let someone else talk about that.


Originally posted by Bardock42
Again, I don't know where you get the numbers. I would assume you got a point about there being some inequalities not due to sexism, but due to preference of the females. But, again, sexism does exist and women do get discriminated against for no other reason than their gender.

There's not very much gender inequality anymore.

There's a shitload of females in management where I work(Still a lot more males, though) and the grunt level, which is the guys who put together the laptops, installs servers, etc. is absurdly made up of men.

That's IT, though, and IT is absurdly male dominant.

I'm all for hiring the best employee. That's all I care about. I don't care what skin color they are, what gender, their sexual preference, their age. If you come to work on time and leave on time without excessive breaks/lunches....AND you perform your job well, that's good enough for me.


Originally posted by Robtard
LoL, racist.

Edit: Welfare is collected by more Caucasians than any other group, simply because they're more white people in America. Now population to percentage-wise, you might be right.

You're......wrong.


acccording to 2001s data, that is.

More blacks on welfare than whites. Whites be pushin' 30% of the total...blacks be pushin' 39%. That total is 2121000 families. Also, blacks have more, on average, members in their family...so it's even more data skewed against your comment.

The data is there. The racists can have a heyday.








Edit- LordKnightFall.

Dude, you're much better at goofing around in the OTF. However, the numbers on one of your points are strongly in your favor...so you're not completely and idiot on every point.

Originally posted by dadudemon
http://www.libraryindex.com/pages/913/Comparing-New-TANF-with-Old-AFDC-LENGTH-TIME-ON-WELFARE.html

That's a slightly old statistic.


I can't find any newer ones.


At first, the numbers don't appear to directly make Knight's case(no pun intended, lol). Closer inspection, as you would do, would reveal a different story, per capita.

There is a significantly higher number, per capita, of African Americans on welfare. I just did quick math in my head....but I don't have exact numbers.

K.

300 million Americans.

12.4% are African American.

2.6 average number of family members on welfare.

this comes out to

14.82% of all African American families on welfare. This calculation is slightly flawed because we don't know how many members are, on average, in each African American family. It could be twice the average of 2.6....it could be half the average of 2.6. Both of which would greatly throw off the numbers. We can assume, to be fair, that the average number of members in each family is about the same across all the races.


Wait, I was correct, there is a difference. There are more, on average, family members in African American households than white. So that throws the numbers off even more. It is 2.68 for African Americans....or.

That changes the calculation to 15.28.

http://www.2010census.biz/population/socdemo/hh-fam/cps2001/tabavg1.pdf


K.



We will do the same calculation for white people.

300 million Americans

76% of Americans are white.

2.54 average members per family.

2.36% of American families are on welfare.


Now..

My math is still slightly off because the average number of family members, as the income goes down, goes up. In other words, the poor have more children than the rich. So my numbers still aren't sound for 2001s data.




However, this puts into perspective where that racial generalization comes from.


Now, chime in psychological studies that talks about poor people staying down in poor status. Bleh. I'm not much on that so I'll let someone else talk about that.



Hmm, yes, the stats do show that more blacks get welfare. It does not, of course, prove the "lazy" part. One might argue that due to the inequalities in races black are forced into needing welfare. One might incorporate education into it as well. The issue of poverty in general, as well as relating to race is certainly more complicated than just this. But, I always appreciate getting some actual statistics, so thank you.


Also, I think you seem to imply there that only "white" Americans are true Americans...

Originally posted by dadudemon
There's not very much gender inequality anymore.

There's a shitload of females in management where I work(Still a lot more males, though) and the grunt level, which is the guys who put together the laptops, installs servers, etc. is absurdly made up of men.

That's IT, though, and IT is absurdly male dominant.

I'm all for hiring the best employee. That's all I care about. I don't care what skin color they are, what gender, their sexual preference, their age. If you come to work on time and leave on time without excessive breaks/lunches....AND you perform your job well, that's good enough for me.

I, too, think that gender equality is getting better, but that doesn't mean that women don't have to deal with sexism on a daily basis. Which knightfall seemed to totally disregard.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Hmm, yes, the stats do show that more blacks get welfare. It does not, of course, prove the "lazy" part.

Agreed...sort of. It does show that despite that "whites" make up a much much larger portion of people in the U.S., less are on welfare.


Originally posted by Bardock42
One might argue that due to the inequalities in races black are forced into needing welfare. One might incorporate education into it as well. The issue of poverty in general, as well as relating to race is certainly more complicated than just this.

Indeed. Which is why I made my blurb about the psychology at the end. I can't work with that very well...unless there's a number that can be used as factual and not professional opinion.

I believe that it is actually easier for a Black person to succeed in America than it is for a white person. One hint of racism and you can blow the whistle. All sorts of scholarships and handicaps are given to them for college. In government, they get hiring handicaps because the feds have to meet certain minimum diversity requirements. College football recruiters will take the African American football player over the white one when all other items are equal. Don't believe it? Go talk to the OU football recruiters or any of the Texas football recruiters. Oh, and don't for get AA. (not alcoholics anonymous.)

Hell, isn't there special loan deals for being a certain race due to some diversity kickback from the federal government?


This is REALLY what Knight should have been arguing about. He should have first presented and calculated the data like I did, then made the whining like I did above.

Originally posted by Bardock42
But, I always appreciate getting some actual statistics, so thank you.

No problem. I would rather read numbers than listen to someone wing stuff all day. Numbers, when correct, can't really be argued with.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Also, I think you seem to imply there that only "white" Americans are true Americans...

Don't get me wrong. It was just a little over 40 years ago that blacks finally got to go to the same nice schools as whites. I find that disgusting and shameful. I find ANY time of racism to be disgusting and ignorant.


I can completely understand why a 60 year old black man may have some bottled up feelings about white people. It's retarded the things he had to put up with as a child.



Originally posted by Bardock42
I, too, think that gender equality is getting better, but that doesn't mean that women don't have to deal with sexism on a daily basis. Which knightfall seemed to totally disregard.

Your are correct.

However, where I work, men have to watch their mouths around women. It pisses me off. We can't say shit like, "Do I look like your b*tch? Go get it yourself, douche." around women or we'll end up in HR "exploring our options." There's two things that can be claimed sexist about that. Calling someone your "b*tch" and calling them a "douche". Calling someone an enema bag doesn't have the same ring as douche bag...........so it would be retarded to change that just to keep from offending an oversensitive women at work. If that's not the sexism you were referring to, then I can agree that men objectify women way the **** too much.

I don't mean to justify that.....but men are programmed via years of evolution to be visual animals with their female counterparts. You can't just delete or replace all of that DNA in an instant because the modern world demands it. True, that humans all the time defy their basic programming because we're so much more intelligent than other species. That's great, actually, that we can do that. However, the day we become literal equals is the day sex (as in gender) doesn't exist.





Also, the Stimulus Package and welfare are reparations enough so I don't want to hear about reparations anymore!

Racism and sexism are not dead, each sex and each race in most cases give as good as they get. Your rant fails. As far as your paper, I hope you have some refferences, otherwise you're going to fail that as well.

/thread

Originally posted by Bardock42
What utter idiocy. You are extremely ignorant to very vital issues for many American people today, and your "rant" is nothing more than a collection of racist, sexist and homophobic ideas, you should be ashamed. homophobic=scared of homos. no, just by logical viewpoints its not an intelligent way to reproduce.

All you did was say I was racist and homophobic. I'm not racist either.

Racist=partial to one over the other. I never said that at all.

Sexist=partial to one over the other. I am actually, partial to females over males, but thats for obvious reasons.

and blacks and whites who get welfare ARE LAZY. I didn't say that it was just blacks or just whites. If there is racism, its towards white people, and I said that I would treat a lazy person like a lazy black person, and an enduring hard black person like an enduring white person. if your racsist, **** off, if you are going to call me a racist for doing so, **** off. I am not in favor of giving my money to lazy people, black or white, and I am not in favor of counting heads and making sure i have a black person in high up job for fear of being called racist. If there is a black person who applies for a job who is more qualified than his competitors, i totally agree that they should get the job, but hiring one on so that the head count is more even over an equally or more qualified white person is wrong.

(maybe this rant is because I got refused a promotion because the entire branch above me was white so they needed a black person to make it seem like they weren't racist. the manager even told me this was the reason and i'd get the next spot.)

Sexism is not what i wished to accomplish either.

My point is, its different. Men are different from women, i didn't say better or worse. men are more physical, women are more intellectual and more gifted as multitaskers. Science and social studies have proven this.

Sexism=I don't like women i think they should stay home and make babies all day, for example.

My sentiments is that women should not demand to be treated the same way as men, they aren't designed to do many of the same jobs, as men are not designed to do many of the same jobs the women are better at doing.

Your point is flawd however, because in the majority of jobs that women and men compete in, women can and often do perform better than the men do, but they get treated less fairly. Same with minorities.

That is the issue.

I would have to ask for legit proof or numbers. I have to say that I have been in the job market for a few years and haven't seen it. Any minority can say they weren't picked for a job because they were a minority, but after a little further investigation, you can find other reasons.

Population of black people in america=38,662,569

Population of white people in america=223,005,483

total: 261668052

Now pardon me if my calculations are incorrect, but the calculations are (not including other races for the moment), that out of black people and white people put together, 14.775% are black people. and 85.224% are white.

Now if Racism is still such a big issue, how did obama win with 52.8% of the population's vote? This is assuming that not everyone who voted for mcain were white, and not all of them were racist.

Originally posted by Robtard
... one of KMCs lower life forms tore it to shreds and he wasn't even trying. ...

yeh the selfish git, he could have left something for other members to rip apart

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11


Now if Racism is still such a big issue, how did obama win with 52.8% of the population's vote? This is assuming that not everyone who voted for mcain were white, and not all of them were racist.

1. Racism has improved but its still there.
2. He was 10 times better than MCCain
3. America is up shit creak if they don't vote for the right president. If you're racist and your dying you will damn well vote for the black guy whos 10 times better.


Enough with the racism doesnt exist crap people like you have being say that shit for decades.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
pretty much being gay is illogical for our race, it produces neither babies nor any positive results. It only serves to spread/originate aids.

Oh shit.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
Sexism is not what i wished to accomplish either.

My point is, its different. Men are different from women, i didn't say better or worse. men are more physical, women are more intellectual and more gifted as multitaskers. Science and social studies have proven this.

Sexism=I don't like women i think they should stay home and make babies all day, for example.

My sentiments is that women should not demand to be treated the same way as men, they aren't designed to do many of the same jobs, as men are not designed to do many of the same jobs the women are better at doing.

There you are missing the point. Treated fairly includes that. It's not that every woman should be treated like every man, it is that women with the same set of skills and abilities should be treated equal to men. No one is denying that there are differences, what people don't want is treatment based solely on the gender of a person.

As for you being sexist, the points you made do fit very much into the major definition of sexism as follows:

sex-ism
;
1. attitudes or behavior based on traditional stereotypes of sexual roles.


And sexism is very existent today, not just in the job market, but in day to day life. Look at advertising for example, womenn are often stereotyped beyond belief. Now, being a libertarian I think advertising companies should do whatever the **** they want, but I sympathise with feminist causes and would appreciate if they were able to raise awareness of such ill treatment further and maybe get people to voluntarily stop doing it.


Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
homophobic=scared of homos. no, just by logical viewpoints its not an intelligent way to reproduce.

That is incorrect, you are solely going by the root words. The definition of homophobic has changed over time and includes contempt or discrimination again homosexuals. You obviously show contempt for them..


Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
All you did was say I was racist and homophobic. I'm not racist either.

Racist=partial to one over the other. I never said that at all.

Sexist=partial to one over the other. I am actually, partial to females over males, but thats for obvious reasons.


Here too is your definition screwed up. You argue with incorrect terms, which doesn't really help your case.


Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
and blacks and whites who get welfare ARE LAZY. I didn't say that it was just blacks or just whites. If there is racism, its towards white people, and I said that I would treat a lazy person like a lazy black person, and an enduring hard black person like an enduring white person. if your racsist, **** off, if you are going to call me a racist for doing so, **** off. I am not in favor of giving my money to lazy people, black or white, and I am not in favor of counting heads and making sure i have a black person in high up job for fear of being called racist. If there is a black person who applies for a job who is more qualified than his competitors, i totally agree that they should get the job, but hiring one on so that the head count is more even over an equally or more qualified white person is wrong.


I dislike welfare just as much as you, but I don't use it to make a point about black people being lazier or in any other way inferior. The idea that all people on welfare are lazy on top of it shows an incredible misconception about the world we live in. Not everyone has the chance to suceed, not everyone has the ability to get out of the situation they were born into. Your "racism against whites" argument, I also don't understand, what do you think is the racism that whites face today? Again, your points are slightly resembling what might be a logical conclusion but they are filled with hate and aggression towards certain races, rather than the policy or situation that causes it. The problem that blacks, imo at least in some case correctly, talk about is that if it was down to two people one white, one black, they would oftentimes not get the job, because of racist tendencies, if it weren't for legislation.

So again, arguing with you is frustrating as you hit upon points that I can agree with, but then use it to target a specific minority as bad. I, too, think affirmative action is shit, I, too, think welfare is not a good thing, etc. It's kinda like having the KKK show up at your "Save the Earth" rally.

Earth Rallier: "So, I think we invest more in alternative energy"
KKK: "YEAH, and also all those sand ******* should be sent back to their country"
Earth Rallier: "What? No...err...anyways, and maybe we can try to recycle more, too.
KKK: "YEAH, AND THOSE ****ING MEXICANS TOOK OUR JOBS!!!"


You know....


Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
(maybe this rant is because I got refused a promotion because the entire branch above me was white so they needed a black person to make it seem like they weren't racist. the manager even told me this was the reason and i'd get the next spot.)


Yeah, maybe it is.

Originally posted by Bardock42


Earth Rallier: "So, I think we invest more in alternative energy"
KKK: "YEAH, and also all those sand ******* should be sent back to their country"
Earth Rallier: "What? No...err...anyways, and maybe we can try to recycle more, too.
KKK: "YEAH, AND THOSE ****ING MEXICANS TOOK OUR JOBS!!!"




That is so true.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
My point is, its different. Men are different from women, i didn't say better or worse. men are more physical, women are more intellectual and more gifted as multitaskers. Science and social studies have proven this.

Then why have I only ever met one women my own age who seemed less than incompetent?

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
Sexism=I don't like women i think they should stay home and make babies all day, for example.

Funny, I think that but I'm not sexist.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
My sentiments is that women should not demand to be treated the same way as men, they aren't designed to do many of the same jobs, as men are not designed to do many of the same jobs the women are better at doing.

Like teaching? Or getting pregnant? Or being amanuenses? Or lifting heavy objects?

Any reasonable person knows that statistics are meaningless in practice.

so, just for clarification, an "inimalist rants here" thread is a go then?

Originally posted by inimalist
so, just for clarification, an "inimalist rants here" thread is a go then?

Of course.

Originally posted by inimalist
so, just for clarification, an "inimalist rants here" thread is a go then?

Nope. Don't even think about it.

I will call you out on all the B.S. you post and make fun of you for not supporting any claims with facts. After I'm done, don't complain! You politely ask for seconds!

lol, I meant more in the: KMC is not my personal BLOG sort of way...

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
pretty much being gay is illogical for our race, it produces neither babies nor any positive results. It only serves to spread/originate aids.

Now I have to wonder, are you just a troll trying to get a rise out of someone, or are you really so stupid, that you actually believe that.

Sadly, both are equally probable.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
1. Racism has improved but its still there.
2. He was 10 times better than MCCain
3. America is up shit creak if they don't vote for the right president. If you're racist and your dying you will damn well vote for the black guy whos 10 times better.

All of them are your opinion.
Its a dying bandwagon. The point is, I don't think that racism should have been one of obama's only campaigns, i should have liked to hear more about what he wanted to do. as of now his policy is for black parents to "read to their children" while white people invest money into better schools, criminal justice system and other things that would benefit both of them. Its not that big of an issue, and the only people who are still doing it are people who are allowed to constitutionally.

A racist is constitutionally allowed to be racist, and its just individuals at this point, not nationally, or commercially.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
The point is, I don't think that racism should have been one of obama's only campaigns

You think Obama campaigned primarily on racism?

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
i should have liked to hear more about what he wanted to do. as of now his policy is for black parents to "read to their children" while white people invest money into better schools, criminal justice system and other things that would benefit both of them.



Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
A racist is constitutionally allowed to be racist, and its just individuals at this point, not nationally, or commercially.

I went to a school where they threw out applications from black teachers.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I went to a school where they threw out applications from black teachers.

....then shortly afterward, the black applicants picked up their welfare check cause they still didn't have a job to feed their 2.68 family members.

Originally posted by dadudemon
....then shortly afterward, the black applicants picked up their welfare check cause they still didn't have a job to feed their 2.68 family members.

Exactly. Those stupid lazy ass n*ggers, why didn't they just get jobs teaching at my school if they were qualified?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Exactly. Those stupid lazy ass n*ggers, why didn't they just get jobs teaching at my school if they were qualified?


shhhhhhh!

This kind of sarcasm may be lost on some people.

*tip toes out*

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
I don't think that racism should have been one of obama's only campaigns

Both McCain and Obama largely (personally) kept race out of the campaign.

Both have been criticized by their own party for this, Obama much less, but still, there was much talk about him being "black" enough.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
To be fair women are mainly breeding machines.

Yet we get paid for ONE EGG 10 thousand dollars to your little seed $100 a pint, maybe $50.

Fess up man, you're looking for the perfect woman while we have many a choice. LOL

Originally posted by Deja~vu


Yet we get paid for ONE EGG 10 thousand dollars to your little seed $100 a pint, maybe $50.

Fess up man, you're looking for the perfect woman while we have many a choice. LOL

I'm not looking for woman at all. And it's much more useful for men to have multiple partners than women.

Originally posted by Deja~vu


Yet we get paid for ONE EGG 10 thousand dollars to your little seed $100 a pint, maybe $50.

Fess up man, you're looking for the perfect woman while we have many a choice. LOL

you wont be laughing when your eggs run out and the menopause hits and your man trades you in for a younger model cause his gun still fires like it did when he was 21....

pwnT.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
First of all, I didn't say all black people are lazy or ambitionless or that white people weren't. I said that the ones who collect off of welfare are, and that welfare mostly consists of black (or mexican) people. The numbers are there.

Do you really think that everyone who collects off welfare is lazy? Welfare also covers cases where the beneficiary is unable to work for whatever reason- be it psychological or physical (read: injured) and those who are laid off (are the "real Americans" who got laid off because of GM's plant closings lazy?) While there are definitely lazy people on welfare, there is no question that there are a myriad of cases where there is no alternative. In these situations it is the government who must step in. Often the government handouts are all that stand between a struggling family and homelessness or starvation.


Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
And I believe that anyone has the right to treat anyone the way they want to as long as they are not hurting them or invading their property or lands.
Discrimination by definition hurts the victim. Whether by threatening their safety or their livelihood, it causes harm.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
Racism does exist, but its so infinitesimal that i wonder wtf people are complaining about.
This almost seems like a parody of actual arguments, rather than an earnest belief in these positions.

Racism has not been defeated. There is one (1) senator of African descent. His name is Barack Obama. In January there will be zero (0) African American senators. We have two (2) "black" governors, and have only elected four to the position of governor in the history of our country. It goes without saying that Barack Obama is the first African-American president. Economically, you should be aware that the median household income for African Americans is well below the national average. Also, African American women are six times more likely to be incarcerated than white women, and in California, which is about as liberal as you get in America, black men are seven (7) times more likely to be jailed than white men. Clearly there is a strong and severe racial bias in the courts and politics as well as the business world.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11

What do you want to do, force that fat racist bastard to love black people? At this point, its so eliminated on a commercial and a federal scale, the only thing they could be doing is forcing individuals change their private views.
They don't have to change their own ignorant, hateful and damaging views, but they may not allow their prejudice to harm others. The disparity between whites and blacks proves that we have a long way to go before racism and discrimination is fully eradicated.
Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11

I mean come on, if the majority of people thought that blacks were ******* and treated them that way, then Obama would not be president.
Are you really going to argue that racism has been vanquished because we have a black president? (elect) The lack of people of color in Congress and disparity in economic and education levels between the populations is evidence that we have a great deal left to do.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
OH and gay people I don't want to be sued because I think that gay is illogical for us as a race, that would suck.

1. Not to be pedantic, but why would someone bring a lawsuit against you? I dislike the ubiquity of the verb "to sue" as a synonym for attack. Not only does it trivialize the court system (and reflect the massive number of trivial cases) it reeks of pop-culture.

2. Gays (if I may make a blanket statement about another group about which I know little) are not generally interested in prolonging the species. To the best of my knowledge neither are heterosexuals. The expression of feelings of love and closeness is the most important part of any relationship. The production of offspring is a side effect.

Originally posted by inimalist
so, just for clarification, an "inimalist rants here" thread is a go then?

I would read it.



Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
1. Racism has improved but its still there.
2. He was 10 times better than MCCain
3. America is up shit creak if they don't vote for the right president. If you're racist and your dying you will damn well vote for the black guy whos 10 times better.

All of them are your opinion.
1. Racism is less overt, but is still very much alive.
2. Obama's victory shows that his policies were better than McCain, or at least that his presentation of said ideas was more effective.
3. That you were unable to see past your prejudice and vote for the best, most qualified man does not mean that the rest of the American public was so limited. I sincerely believe that the voting population is intelligent enough to vote on substance. That "Hussein" was insufficient to deny him the White House, that "Socialist" was not enough to cast doubt on the better candidate gives me hope for the efficacy of democracy. The response of the Republican party ("not my president" stickers, boos and catcalls at McCain's concession speech, and the increase in threats against the President Elect's life) make me wonder why they got to question the Democrats' patriotism, when they are showing so little.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
Its a dying bandwagon. The point is, I don't think that racism should have been one of obama's only campaigns,
You realize that he did not campaign on the basis of his race? The good folks over at FOX news might want you to believe otherwise, but Obama's race ignored race.
Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
i should have liked to hear more about what he wanted to do.
You realize that he bought a half-hour TV spot explaining exactly what his policies are? That during the debates he included more specifics and numbers than did his Opponent? That he had an entire website explaining his stances? Ya know, those FOX guys, they don't have a monopoly on information. Even a token effort to investigate the candidates yields a vast array of information. Your ignorance is your own fault.
Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
A racist is constitutionally allowed to be racist, and its just individuals at this point, not nationally, or commercially.
It may not be an organized, structured effort, but racism is still present and widespread. It isn't over yet.

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
Racism has not been defeated. There is one (1) senator of African descent. His name is Barack Obama. In January there will be zero (0) African American senators. We have two (2) "black" governors, and have only elected four to the position of governor in the history of our country. It goes without saying that Barack Obama is the first African-American president. Economically, you should be aware that the median household income for African Americans is well below the national average. Also, African American women are six times more likely to be incarcerated than white women, and in California, which is about as liberal as you get in America, black men are seven (7) times more likely to be jailed than white men. Clearly there is a strong and severe racial bias in the courts and politics as well as the business world.

the incarceration rates and the severity of punishment of black men arrested for crack possession is astronomical when compared to those of white males arrested for cocaine possession.

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
I would read it.

Originally posted by Red Nemesis


Do you really think that everyone who collects off welfare is lazy? Welfare also covers cases where the beneficiary is unable to work for whatever reason- be it psychological or physical (read: injured) and those who are laid off (are the "real Americans" who got laid off because of GM's plant closings lazy?) While there are definitely lazy people on welfare, there is no question that there are a myriad of cases where there is no alternative. In these situations it is the government who must step in. Often the government handouts are all that stand between a struggling family and homelessness or starvation.



Discrimination by definition hurts the victim. Whether by threatening their safety or their livelihood, it causes harm.


This almost seems like a parody of actual arguments, rather than an earnest belief in these positions.

Racism has not been defeated. There is one (1) senator of African descent. His name is Barack Obama. In January there will be zero (0) African American senators. We have two (2) "black" governors, and have only elected four to the position of governor in the history of our country. It goes without saying that Barack Obama is the first African-American president. Economically, you should be aware that the median household income for African Americans is well below the national average. Also, African American women are six times more likely to be incarcerated than white women, and in California, which is about as liberal as you get in America, black men are seven (7) times more likely to be jailed than white men. Clearly there is a strong and severe racial bias in the courts and politics as well as the business world.


Yes, but its only individuals, not large corporations or the government.
the lack of black people in congress? how about the lack of black people trying for congress? the lack of black people even studying politics? Come on, mate. the lack of black people in high places is due to the lack of black people trying to get to high places.
i c paradox? btw, for future reference, not to be pedantic, but the internet=pop culture. you can't separate them.

its still quite illogical, and the fact that they want me to accept them for doing it wrong is complete B.S. And besides, aren't you the one who was arguing evolution and secularism and survival of the fittest? If so, there is no such thing as love and closeness, just the hormonic desire to reproduce.


1. Racism is less overt, but is still very much alive.
2. Obama's victory shows that his policies were better than McCain, or at least that his presentation of said ideas was more effective.
no, stupid people were why obama won, whether or not he was the best choice or not. http://www.howobamagotelected.com/ this is not implying that you are stupid m8, you are probably one of the few who knows their stuff. Common consensus is not always the best standard for judging what is better/worse. It is also your opinion that his policies "were" (shouldn't you say are?) better.

I'm sorry, did you just call me racist in my voting habits? This exactly what Knight's rant #1 is about. i voted for a white man so you call me racist for not voting for the black man because you think hes better. the ****ing race trap card.

http://www.howobamagotelected.com/ all i have to say about it. oh, and he bought an ENTIRE CHANNEL on our satelite network dedicated to himself, but every time i turned it on I heard change, better healthcare, or racism.

Originally posted by inimalist
the incarceration rates and the severity of punishment of black men arrested for crack possession is astronomical when compared to those of white males arrested for cocaine possession.




maybe its just because there are more black men on crach then white men on cocaine? I mean come the **** on, use logic, me mates.

Cocaine is a far more predominately used drug. You fail again.

indeed, though prevalence plays no role in the severity of sentencing

Welfare: Yeah, I'm sure no honest hard working person who just got laid off during this recession would ever consider asking for welfare.

I love smart discussion .

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
maybe its just because there are more black men on crach then white men on cocaine? I mean come the **** on, use logic, me mates.

There are more white drug users in America than there are black drug users by far, nearly surpassing the entire black population.

Blimey mate! You almost missed that one!

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11


Population of black people in america=38,662,569

Population of white people in america=223,005,483

total: 261668052

Now pardon me if my calculations are incorrect, but the calculations are (not including other races for the moment), that out of black people and white people put together, 14.775% are black people. and 85.224% are white.



Why has no one corrected this yet?

This guy is incredible. Really.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
Yes, but its only individuals, not large corporations or the government.
The fact that about 10% of the African American male population is incarcerated surely shows some bias. You can at least acknowledge that. Also, there are (according to an NPR blurb) only four black CEOs on the Fortune 500 list. Four. That can only be an indication of a deeper problem
Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
the lack of black people in congress? how about the lack of black people trying for congress? the lack of black people even studying politics? Come on, mate. the lack of black people in high places is due to the lack of black people trying to get to high places.
Do you really want to make this argument? That African Americans don't try hard enough? Please don't go there. The entire culture models a lifestyle that they feel barred from. (here I go with the generalizations again. This is a tough subject to keep away from blanket statements.) If anything, the lack of African Americans in the political landscape belies the deeper problem of racism, rather than being a cause.

As for a lack of attempts to break into politics, remember that most races are contingent upon attaining the endorsement of a major political party. This endorsement will not come unless there is a reasonable chance of the candidate's victory. Between the year 1990 and 2000 there were only six (6) competitive races for senate with a black candidate. That there is a deficit of candidacies is not the fault of the political aspirants; the blame rests on the shoulders of the two-party system, the cynics who operate it, and the distrustful nature of the electorate.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
i c paradox? btw, for future reference, not to be pedantic, but the internet=pop culture. you can't separate them.
Go ahead and look up 'pedantic.' You were not in this case. The internet =/= pop culture. It may convey pop culture, but it can also communicate intelligence and facilitate rational and mature discussion. (ha) It is what we make of it. If you want to flood one of the more sober corners with trash and irrelevancies then so be it. Bear in mind that it illustrates your own lack of maturity. (That's what the OTF is for anyway.)

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
its still quite illogical, and the fact that they want me to accept them for doing it wrong is complete B.S. And besides, aren't you the one who was arguing evolution and secularism and survival of the fittest? If so, there is no such thing as love and closeness, just the hormonic desire to reproduce.
The scientific fact "Evolution" has no bearing on how I deal with civil rights issues. I don't think that it applies here at all.

What, specifically are they doing wrong? I know of no instances where a gay person has forced their preference upon a heterosexual individual, and to the best of my knowledge homosexuality has no adverse effects upon society as a whole.

Secularism, evolution and survival of the fittest do not preclude love and closeness: I have emotions too. That I know they are caused by interactions of chemicals in the brain (I'm stepping on Inimalist's turf here) does not lessen their potency. If you wish to argue that homosexuality selects away from itself (does not propagate into the next generation) remember that by its very fact of existence it must be at least partially viable. If it makes them happy, what right do you have to judge that it is not acceptable. What gives you the power to dictate their life?

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11

no, stupid people were why obama won, whether or not he was the best choice or not. http://www.howobamagotelected.com/ this is not implying that you are stupid m8, you are probably one of the few who knows their stuff. Common consensus is not always the best standard for judging what is better/worse. It is also your opinion that his policies "were" (shouldn't you say are?) better.
I said "were" because I dealing with his stated policies during campaign. Doubtless they will end up being changed to cope with the debt he will be left by the former (hooray!) republican President.

The video on the site is pathetic. Case studies do not prove a point. I will never get those 12 minutes of my life back. I'm outraged. That democratic voters watched democratic news outlets proves nothing about their intelligence. Boston Legal made an entire episode based on the idea of an uninformed voter (republican) getting fired for voting for McCain, even though her boss agreed with her vote, just not her motivations. The problem is the sidelining of polite political discourse: On cable speaking louder is considered a way to prove one's point. An improved education system (free of No Child Left Behind) is the first step to rectify the situation.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11

I'm sorry, did you just call me racist in my voting habits? This exactly what Knight's rant #1 is about. i voted for a white man so you call me racist for not voting for the black man because you think hes better. the ****ing race trap card.
The "black man" was the better candidate. He is a better speaker, he is more intelligent, he is simply better on the Economy, the War and on civil/domestic matters. The nation wanted Obama. You are racist if you voted for McCain simply because of the color of any of the candidates' skin color. You are racist if you voted against Obama based on the nationality of his relatives. I did not call you racist in my previous post, but I will now if you claim to have voted for McCain because of race.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11

http://www.howobamagotelected.com/ all i have to say about it. oh, and he bought an ENTIRE CHANNEL on our satelite network dedicated to himself, but every time i turned it on I heard change, better healthcare, or racism.
Was that channel 24/7? I only knew about the half-hour before the last World Series game. Now I wish I had cable/satellite TV.

That website is a joke. It asks leading questions, the quotes are all out of context, and I thought that the Palin/Fey skit was hilarious. Palin wishes that she had been the one to say it.

Don't threads that revolve around a single member's whims belong in the Off Topic Forum?

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
The fact that about 10% of the African American male population is incarcerated surely shows some bias. You can at least acknowledge that. How? I don't see how you can say that its biased because 10% of the african american population is incarcerated. You act like its a socialist camp, man. They were convicted by a jury of their peers, not put in prison by the whims of a white bigot.

What is the problem? racism? A lack of education? In my opinion its the welfare. The welfare holds them down, as soon as they start working they stop getting welfare. with kids growing up with their parents not caring and just smoking away they're trouble its no wonder the black people are cursed.


I'm sorry. You are blanketing it, and I'm afraid its not a breaking in thing. One of my bosses was a black man, a college professor of mine is a black man. Statistically, there aren't that many. I'm afraid its not racism but a lack of ambition and need to make a better life for themselves (see above for details about welfare)
1. This was 8 years ago. 2. This was 8 years ago. 3. I'll bet if you counted up the ratio of people who try to the ratio of people who break in, the amount of black people is reasonable when compared to the amount of white people who get in if this ratio applies.
Not really. what do you want to do, force them to pick a candidate they don't support?

not to be pedantic, but that's why yours was a paradox and mine wasn't.

actually when you talk about something that is right or wrong with someone of the secular belief system they tend to deny your rules of right or wrong due to the fact that in a secular belief system there is nobody to apply standards of right or wrong. that is why I made this reference, and survival of the fittest means that gay people are not fit, spread disease, and are bad for the evolution of our species.
well, i don't know how to tell you this precisely... you should know by now... you are in high school after all... aids. look at africa.
I didn't say I should dictate or control them... nobody should... i just don't want to be at blame when I say its wrong, bad for society and overall just a bad idea...

I'm sorry. This "democratic news outlet" did a pretty good job of slinging mud at the side they disagreed with while making obama look like ****ing jesus, lol.
Um... your point?

I did not vote mcain for his race, but because I believe that obama is a socialist, which I am perfectly free to believe If i want to. and i was refering to:
I guess....
lol translation: "I reject your evidence and submit my own" the point is, the media has done a good job of fattening up the masses on obama's cock, while trying their best to take palin/mcain's words out of context or parody them and prove them stupid, while even doing less to alert the masses to the existence of other republican candidates for certain positions.

Okay: I'll say it again....


Get the **** out.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
This is the thread where I will express myself with a political rant involving one of today's issues. And my first one: Racism and Sexism.

I am sorry, but we are all different. equal, but different. A black person is a black person, on average a kenyan will run faster than some fatass english dude, and some people are better at certain things than others.

When you ask me to compare a man with a woman, a black man with a white man, its like asking me to compare a wrench with a screwdriver with a hammer. they are all equally indispensable, but they are better at different things. Sure you can use a wrench as a hammer, but its not going to do as good of a job.

I respect a man in a business suit. This is a man who I am motivated by, who It is an honor knowing. those people who hang out on the streets who collect on welfare, I have no respect for them. They don't have the ambition or the motivation to better their position, they live in crap, they are content with crap, and they aren't even trying. Black or white, man or woman, you're better at work.

So why am I so P'O'd about people who cry racism? because its dead. If anything, the white people are the ones being discriminated against. We work hard, and our just deserts are taken to pay for welfare, which is almost totally lazy, ambitionless black people. I'm not saying that white people aren't lazy and ambitionless, but most of the people our tax money goes to are either mexican or black people who take from society and never give. Why is the government so biased? I don't know, you will have to ask someone else, but this is socialistic and it removes the need to work. Why work when I can get a check once a month and live in a dump?

Sexism:
Ok, I'm sorry, this is going to sound horribly biased and awful, but a man is a man and a woman is a woman. they are different, k? They are both needed, both should have equal rights, but they shouldn't get equal treatment because they are different. Nobody likes walking down the street and seeing some white trash tub who thinks shes some guy. Women are more elegant, more visually appealing, and just overall better than men. Men are stronger, more base, and can accomplish more physically. Why are we crying about the man-woman ratio in management? the truth is, the man to woman ratio in the workforce is the same. Its not an all boys game, its open, just more women tend to be stay at home moms or don't stay in the workforce long enough to get a management position.

Whats my point? I'm tired of the race card and the sexism card. I'm going to f***ing treat you like an american if you are black or white or male or female. I'm not treating a female like a male (seriously she'd think that's kind of creepy), and I'm not treating white or black trash like people who go out and work for their living. And I don't expect someone to treat me like a woman. If i hear someone else whining because they are black and they didn't get a job or a raise or a promotion, i'm going to stab them, because its not that your black, its probably that you were less qualified than your competitor. In the sense that the only ones talking about racism or whining about it are the black people, the only ones being racist towards the black people are themselves.

(this is something i wrote down to get my ideas down for a paper i am writing. I decided that it might be nice to hear some people's opinions in the process)

Why are you wearing that stupid bunny suit?

Originally posted by KidRock
Why are you wearing that stupid bunny suit?

You didn't even notice the math I did on welfare?weep

You of all people would appreciate the outcome of those numbers.

Originally posted by dadudemon
You didn't even notice the math I did on welfare?weep

You of all people would appreciate the outcome of those numbers.

Hmm...hmmm...

I guess I really should ask then: Why are you wearing that stupid man suit?

SO HERE IS MY POINT. THE POINT IS NOT THAT I HATE BLACKS or THAT BLACKS ARE DIFFERENT,

ITS THAT I'M TIRED OF HEARING ABOUT RACISM.

I never see it, and the only time i do is when its me handing over the welfare share of my paycheck or when that dude that was honestly less qualified then me got that job spot.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
SO HERE IS MY POINT. THE POINT IS NOT THAT I HATE BLACKS or THAT BLACKS ARE DIFFERENT,

ITS THAT I'M TIRED OF HEARING ABOUT RACISM.

I never see it, and the only time i do is when its me handing over the welfare share of my paycheck or when that dude that was honestly less qualified then me got that job spot.

Troll.

Originally posted by Devil King
Troll. dumbass.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
dumbass.

thanks for not wasting the effort to deny the accusation.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
SO HERE IS MY POINT. THE POINT IS NOT THAT I HATE BLACKS or THAT BLACKS ARE DIFFERENT,

ITS THAT I'M TIRED OF HEARING ABOUT RACISM.

I never see it, and the only time i do is when its me handing over the welfare share of my paycheck or when that dude that was honestly less qualified then me got that job spot.

Oh please. The amount of your 'paycheck' that goes towards welfare spending is tiny. I think you'll live.

And to be totally honest, the way you come off on here, I doubt it was a question of someone being less qualified than you getting a job. It's quite possible that you simply were not the most qualified candidate for the job.

That site about Obama is laughable. Especially the garbage about the 2004 Senate race in Illinois. Right, I live in Illinois. I'm from Chicago. I voted in that election. Obama did not 'drive his opponent to quit'. Jack Ryan, the Republican candidate, dropped out of the race after a scandal when divorce records of his were unsealed and made public, and it was learned that he had been very dishonest to the GOP about the contents of said records. If anything, it was the Illinois Republican party that pressed him to drop out of the race, though he claimed to have done so for personal reasons. The replacement candidate, Alan Keyes, was a complete unknown in this state, having only established residency a few days before announcing his candidacy. No one knew who he was, and Obama won by the largest margin for a state race in this state.

Honestly, I don't even know why this thread is even here. This isn't your blog. And you can say "I'm not racist! I'm not sexist! I'm not homophobic!" all you want, but the things you say seem to suggest otherwise.

actually, i have said multiple times that all men are created equal. homophobia means "the fear of man", which i am not. If you mean "the fear of homosexuality" then you are right. I am afraid of how homosexuality might affect America and its children. I'm afraid of America becoming like Africa.

Am I racist because i fail to acknowledge the problem of racism, and wonder what people want to do to fix the problem instead of whining about it? I didn't think so.

Show me the numbers of how much money is going towards welfare that could be used to do something productive, and force all of the people in welfare to make something of themselves.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
actually, i have said multiple times that all men are created equal. homophobia means "the fear of man", which i am not. If you mean "the fear of homosexuality" then you are right. I am afraid of how homosexuality might affect America and its children. I'm afraid of America becoming like Africa.

Am I racist because i fail to acknowledge the problem of racism, and wonder what people want to do to fix the problem instead of whining about it? I didn't think so.

Show me the numbers of how much money is going towards welfare that could be used to do something productive, and force all of the people in welfare to make something of themselves.

Get a dictionary.



Homosexuality isn't inherently a bad thing. If you don't like it? Don't go **** someone of your own gender. Problem solved! If your argument is that gay couples don't have kids - well, neither do all heterosexual couples. And there are still gay couples that do have children, whether biological or adopted.

As for tax spending -

http://nationalpriorities.org/FY2008%20total%20outlays%20as%20proposed
http://nationalpriorities.org/Federal%20Spending

And your attitude towards welfare and those on it is absolutely disgusting and shows nothing but you having lived a life of privilege. If someone is on welfare, they really do not get a lot of money. There are strict limits on how long they can be on it, and there are strict guidelines as to how they can get on it and remain on it. It is not as simple as 'making something of themselves'. Not by a long shot. Spending money on that is far more productive, in my opinion, than throwing money at a pointless war we should never have been part of. Solve the problems at home before trying to fix the rest of the world.

And it's not that you 'fail' to acknowledge it, as you say. It's that you seem to refuse to acknowledge that it exists, because you personally have not witnessed it.

Originally posted by Peach
If you don't like it? Don't go **** someone of your own gender. Problem solved!

Year: 1933
Location: Germany

If you don't like the nazis...Don't go join the Nazi party. Problem solved!

(Ignoring something doesn't mean it wont affect the society...)

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
Year: 1933
Location: Germany

If you don't like the nazis...Don't go join the Nazi party. Problem solved!

(Ignoring something doesn't mean it wont affect the society...)

Nice job. You just Godwin'd the thread.

Bob and Steve having sex is not even remotely comparable to the Nazis. For starters, Bob and Steve are not effecting anyone else.

Originally posted by Peach
Nice job. You just Godwin'd the thread.

Bob and Steve having sex is not even remotely comparable to the Nazis. For starters, Bob and Steve are not effecting anyone else.

I have no idea what that means...

Doesn't change the fact that I was correct either...

Not liking Catholics, therefore not being a Catholic does not mean that Catholics will not have an affect on the live and society of Knightfall...

If it wasn't having any effects then people wouldn't be talking about it would they? Money wouldn't be spent on it, rights movements wouldn't exist...because fact is, its more than just "****ing someone of your own gender" its an identiy and it will have an affect on the US- it may be good, bad or neutral but there will be one...

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
I have no idea what that means...

Doesn't change the fact that I was correct either...

Not liking Catholics, therefore not being a Catholic does not mean that Catholics will not have an affect on the live and society of Knightfall...

If it wasn't having any effects then people wouldn't be talking about it would they? Money wouldn't be spent on it, rights movements wouldn't exist...because fact is, its more than just "****ing someone of your own gender" its an identiy and it will have an affect on the US- it may be good, bad or neutral but there will be one...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_Law

You may have been correct, but it was an absolutely incorrect and totally off-base comparison.

And no, really, it doesn't. Rights movements exist because people are denied rights on the basis of their sexuality. Just like rights movements have existed because of people being denied rights on the basis of their skin color or their gender. And if all people are created equal, why are all people not given equal rights?

Originally posted by Peach
Get a dictionary.



Homosexuality isn't inherently a bad thing. If you don't like it? Don't go **** someone of your own gender. Problem solved! If your argument is that gay couples don't have kids - well, neither do all heterosexual couples. And there are still gay couples that do have children, whether biological or adopted.
I didn't say that they don't have the right to be homosexual. And your argument does not defeat my valid and just reasons.

I see proposed in the first one and a large ammount of money in social security, which is good in some ways, but makes up a lot of what i mean when I say welfare. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_security the good parts are when it helps the old or disabled. the bad parts are when it helps "poverty"

EXACTLY it holds them in welfare housing! and they can't work and have welfare at the same time, so what do they chose? they chose to live in dumps and get a check from the government.
how do you mean? from what you said, it sounds more complicated than getting a job at mcdonalds and a small apartment.
I am not talking about the war.
and I have worked with and in both societies. I think i am a better observer than those social groups who wiki racism to find evidence of it instead of going out and trying to find some. And if I have seen some its Individual racism, which should not be controlled by the government or any activist group.

Originally posted by Peach
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_Law

You may have been correct, but it was an absolutely incorrect and totally off-base comparison.

And no, really, it doesn't. Rights movements exist because people are denied rights on the basis of their sexuality. Just like rights movements have existed because of people being denied rights on the basis of their skin color or their gender. And if all people are created equal, why are all people not given equal rights?

Exactly, so it does affect society...you accept that yes?

(I agree with you- all people should have equal rights regardless of what they do.)

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
actually, i have said multiple times that all men are created equal. homophobia means "the fear of man", which i am not. If you mean "the fear of homosexuality" then you are right. I am afraid of how homosexuality might affect America and its children. I'm afraid of America becoming like Africa.

Am I racist because i fail to acknowledge the problem of racism, and wonder what people want to do to fix the problem instead of whining about it? I didn't think so.

Show me the numbers of how much money is going towards welfare that could be used to do something productive, and force all of the people in welfare to make something of themselves.


What the **** do you really know abut Africa?

No, you're not a racist becuse you acknowledge issues between race and racism. You're a racist because you base it all on wellfrare v. reality. The question of welfare is alwavyvs more productive when you ask it against profit vs reality.

Don't mistake equality for everyone with equality for anyone you've chosen. You're a fool; a fascist and a looser. I hope you die a long, painful and miserable death; just like you know you wish on everyone who doesn't think the way you do. You ****ing idiot.

Originally posted by Devil King
What the **** do you really know abut Africa?

No, you're not a racist becuse you acknowledge issues between race and racism. You're a racist because you base it all on wellfrare v. reality. The question of welfare is alwavyvs more productive when you ask it against profit vs reality. welfare is not productive. Welfare forces people to be stuck in a low class social position with the fear that it will be taken away should they leave.
I said equality for everyone with everyone. Reported for the death threat, and the only person getting heated about this is you. I never said or conveyed any feelings of ill will towards you. IF you are gay, which by now I know you probably are, I have said that while your action is immoral, I don't judge you by a bad habit. I have only argued things relevant to the whole of society itself. You want to go around name calling, go ahead. You only make yourself look foolish and your ideas weak.

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
(I agree with you- all people should have equal rights regardless of what they do.) This sounds good at first, i hope you realize, but after you start plugging different actions into the mix, it sounds a little off.

First lets plug racism into it.

Racists should have equal rights regardless of what they do.

It sounds a little off, doesn't it? Racist's shouldn't be allowed law enforcement jobs, for one.

Lets try another one.

Pedofiles should have equal rights regardless of what they do.

Should pedofiles be allowed to work in day-cares? No, i didn't think so.

Equal rights goes a good ways with homosexuality, but once it gets to marriage, it kind of sinks dead, because at this point it becomes about emotion and not logic. The arguments are "but they luffs each other", I tried to make mine a little deeper than that. So if gay people can get married will I be able to pull my child out of school because he's not ready for that teaching yet? no. If my pastor doesn't want to perform a gay marriage, can he do that? no he will lose his tax exemption status and the government will most likely close him down. My main concern is the thought police factor and the negative effects it has on society.

Once again, I'm going to repeat that homosexuality is not a state of being, its not a permanent adjective, and its not a race or social class, its an action. And you are totally free to commit that action by the laws of nature in my book.

Equal rights doesn't mean that you have the right to harm someone else. (i.e. racists and pedos) ((though I dispute the latter in some cases))

However yes, racists and pedophiles shpuld have equal rights i.e. the right too-

vote
marry
be protected by the law
own guns
be happy etc

Homosexuals have the right to marry, same as heterosexuals, racists, and pedos.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
Homosexuals have the right to marry, same as heterosexuals, racists, and pedos.

I know, as they and all people should...

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
I know, as they and all people should... to a member of the opposite gender?

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
I didn't say that they don't have the right to be homosexual. And your argument does not defeat my valid and just reasons.

I see proposed in the first one and a large ammount of money in social security, which is good in some ways, but makes up a lot of what i mean when I say welfare. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_security the good parts are when it helps the old or disabled. the bad parts are when it helps "poverty"

EXACTLY it holds them in welfare housing! and they can't work and have welfare at the same time, so what do they chose? they chose to live in dumps and get a check from the government.
how do you mean? from what you said, it sounds more complicated than getting a job at mcdonalds and a small apartment.
I am not talking about the war.
and I have worked with and in both societies. I think i am a better observer than those social groups who wiki racism to find evidence of it instead of going out and trying to find some. And if I have seen some its Individual racism, which should not be controlled by the government or any activist group.

I don't have time to really do more than pick at this, but...

- Social Security is not considered part of welfare.

- Welfare does not prevent someone from having a job. In fact, generally you need to show that you have or are looking for a job, or that there is a very good reason as to why you are not looking for one.

- Yeah, it is a bit more difficult than getting a job at McDs and getting a small apartment. Number one, in case you haven't noticed, the economy is rather shit right now. It's not easy to find any sort of job. Number two, minimum wage jobs are NOT enough to live on. Even working minimum wage full time will likely put you under the poverty level for a single person, let alone if you are struggling to support a family. And cheap places to live are equally difficult to find.

In other words, get a damn clue.



Why can't they marry someone of the same gender? People should have the right to marry whoever they want, so long as it is consensual and both are of legal age.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
to a member of the opposite gender?

traditional marriage as based on man and woman is false. The most traditional marriage is polygamy. In all traditional marriage, a woman (and often a man) have no say in who they marry. Traditional marriage was often a property or economic arrangement.

there is no reason to specify that marriage must be heterosexual unless there is the specific intent to deny it to homosexuals.

Regardless of the reason, if you wish to deny it to homosexuals, you are being intollorant, at best.

wow. none of you have gone back and talked about my reasons for my conclusion, all you can say is:

"tolerance!"

"equal treatment!"


As for welfare, I know about it, i know what it requires, and its not more difficult than getting a job and mcd. As for not being able to support a family on a minimum wage job, welfare should be applied there until it works out.

And the evidence that you are looking for a job does not have to be that tangible.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
my reasons for my conclusion

which reasons for which conclusion?

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
Should pedofiles be allowed to work in day-cares? No, i didn't think so.

A lot of pedophiles are really good with children.

(sorry for the sloppy quote)

Look at the amount being spent on the Defense Budget. Then look at the (comparatively tiny) amount spent on welfare. You decide which is a bigger drain on society. (Here's a hint: F22s don't help my family at all.)

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
This is the thread where I will express myself with a political rant involving one of today's issues. And my first one: Racism and Sexism.

I am sorry, but we are all different. equal, but different. A black person is a black person, on average a kenyan will run faster than some fatass english dude, and some people are better at certain things than others. you say that we are all equal, but you state that a kenyan can run faster than a fatass english dude. you had to say english, which then contradicts what you just said about how we are all "equal". nice going.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
When you ask me to compare a man with a woman, a black man with a white man, its like asking me to compare a wrench with a screwdriver with a hammer. they are all equally indispensable, but they are better at different things. Sure you can use a wrench as a hammer, but its not going to do as good of a job.And your point with this is? im pretty sure this is just common sense.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
I respect a man in a business suit. This is a man who I am motivated by, who It is an honor knowing. those people who hang out on the streets who collect on welfare, I have no respect for them. They don't have the ambition or the motivation to better their position, they live in crap, they are content with crap, and they aren't even trying. Black or white, man or woman, you're better at work. This doesnt apply to every bum. some bums just grew up in so much poverty its too hard to get out of. But most bums, i agree with you, it is there fault, but then again having no respect for them is common sense.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
So why am I so P'O'd about people who cry racism? because its dead. If anything, the white people are the ones being discriminated against. We work hard, and our just deserts are taken to pay for welfare, which is almost totally lazy, ambitionless black people. I'm not saying that white people aren't lazy and ambitionless, but most of the people our tax money goes to are either mexican or black people who take from society and never give. Why is the government so biased? I don't know, you will have to ask someone else, but this is socialistic and it removes the need to work. Why work when I can get a check once a month and live in a dump? You type here that you are mad at people who cry racism. then you type here and cry about how whites get discriminated against. again, nice job of being a hypocrite. and when you mention ambitionless, why do you instantly refer to black people?? seems to me like the only racist one around here is you. And the reason you work is to get more money than a wellfare check, to have a career that you actually like, and to have a good life with some dignity and pride. but besides that, i cant think of anything else so maybe your right when you say that getting welfare checks and living like crap is better than haveing a good career

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
Sexism:
Ok, I'm sorry, this is going to sound horribly biased and awful, but a man is a man and a woman is a woman. they are different, k? They are both needed, both should have equal rights, but they shouldn't get equal treatment because they are different. Nobody likes walking down the street and seeing some white trash tub who thinks shes some guy. Women are more elegant, more visually appealing, and just overall better than men. Men are stronger, more base, and can accomplish more physically. Its not an all boys game, its open, just more women tend to be stay at home moms or don't stay in the workforce long enough to get a management position. You make absolutely no sense in any way. in the same sentence you state "both should have equal rights" and 1 space later, you state "but they shouldnt get equal treatment because there different". you put two opposite thoughts in the same sentence. again, good job with that.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
Whats my point? I'm tired of the race card and the sexism card. I'm going to f***ing treat you like an american if you are black or white or male or female. I'm not treating a female like a male (seriously she'd think that's kind of creepy), and I'm not treating white or black trash like people who go out and work for their living. And I don't expect someone to treat me like a woman. If i hear someone else whining because they are black and they didn't get a job or a raise or a promotion, i'm going to stab them, because its not that your black, its probably that you were less qualified than your competitor. In the sense that the only ones talking about racism or whining about it are the black people, the only ones being racist towards the black people are themselves.

(this is something i wrote down to get my ideas down for a paper i am writing. I decided that it might be nice to hear some people's opinions in the process) Just because you treat a female like a female and a male like a male doesnt mean its unequal treatment, it means thats its different, so please get it through your head and know that is different treatment.

As i read this i find in your text that you tend to be the whiny one, that you tend to be the prejudice one, and it all leads to you being the hypocritical one. So please do us all a favor and look at yourself a little because you seem to be the very same thing you hate.

You really think racism is dead?

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
welfare is not productive. Welfare forces people to be stuck in a low class social position with the fear that it will be taken away should they leave.
I said equality for everyone with everyone. Reported for the death threat, and the only person getting heated about this is you. I never said or conveyed any feelings of ill will towards you. IF you are gay, which by now I know you probably are, I have said that while your action is immoral, I don't judge you by a bad habit. I have only argued things relevant to the whole of society itself. You want to go around name calling, go ahead. You only make yourself look foolish and your ideas weak.

So what do you really know about Africa?