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Naruto vs Ang
Sasuke vs Zuko
Itachi vs the Fire Lord
Sakura vs Toph
Hinata vs Katara
Azula vs Asuma


Both Pretime skip and Time skip. If you have better Matches list them.

I'm not sure about this. Especially with the variety in abilities the Naruto side has. I think Sasuke and Asuma would win their fights easy enough though.

Originally posted by Csdabest
Naruto vs Ang
Sasuke vs Zuko
Itachi vs the Fire Lord
Sakura vs Toph
Hinata vs Katara
Azula vs Asuma


Both Pretime skip and Time skip. If you have better Matches list them. 1. Aang, with no CIS involved, will crush Naruto.

2. Sasuke, Zuko isn't fast enough, nor is he strong or durable enough.

3. Itachi with a Genjutsu wins easy. No Genjutsu however, Ozai based on what we saw might possibly win. What with being able to fly and do giant flamethrower blasts of deathly deathness.

4. Toph. Sakura is not fast enough to hit Toph who can easily predict her every move via vibrations on the ground, and will screw up Sakura's usual brawling style with her Earthbending.

5. ...Katara until Hinata does something in Shippuden.

6. Asuma is far too fast for Azula.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
3. Itachi with a Genjutsu wins easy. No Genjutsu however, Ozai based on what we saw might possibly win. What with being able to fly and do giant flamethrower blasts of deathly deathness.

I would put Amaterasu above Ozai's flames, Amaterasu turns everything in his eyesight into ashes, if he looks at him with amaterasu on, even if he's in the air, itll still burn him up, and If Itachi turns on Susanoo, Ozai couldn't harm him at all.

Meh, guess you're right.

Naruto characters win every match except for Sakura and Hinata, who lose because they're useless

True Story. I dont really see Naruto beating Ang

I wouldn't say that Sakura is useless. I just re-watched the Sasori fight and Chiyo only has her by strings for the firs quarter and a half of the fight. Sakura's using her own skills throughout most of the match.

While this is true, her speed, which is by no means the most impressive in Narutoverse, and was only reflex speed mostly, not movement, will not be enough to defeat someone who can predict her every movement and who can alter the ground she stands on.

And no, Naruto is not beating a no PIS Aang.

Originally posted by Csdabest
Naruto vs Ang
Sasuke vs Zuko
Itachi vs the Fire Lord
Sakura vs Toph
Hinata vs Katara
Azula vs Asuma


Both Pretime skip and Time skip. If you have better Matches list them.

1.Aang

2.Sasuke can kick anybodies ass (lil *****)

3. This one is kinda tough altho I think the Fire Lord will absolutly crush him if he can stay away from Itachi. Have you seen the last episode of Avatar, that dude was Bad to the Ass.

4.Toph

5.idk

6.idk

Well now that I think about it, Ozai's only real feats are when he was amped by Sozin's Comet...Should we just assume that he is amped for the sake of the fight?

1 Ang
2 Sasuke burns the other side of his face
3 Ozai gets ass raped
4. Toph
5. Katara
6 Asuma

Yeah since its the only feat we have. Thats what i was hoping people would base it from.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
While this is true, her speed, which is by no means the most impressive in Narutoverse, and was only reflex speed mostly, not movement, will not be enough to defeat someone who can predict her every movement and who can alter the ground she stands on.

And no, Naruto is not beating a no PIS Aang.

I don't even know who Toph is, so I won't try to debate that.. I was just referring to Sakura stand-alone. She's a bit better as of Shippuden then people give her credit for. Her taijutsu skills, going by feats alone, are > Tsunades.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
I don't even know who Toph is, so I won't try to debate that.. I was just referring to Sakura stand-alone. She's a bit better as of Shippuden then people give her credit for. Her taijutsu skills, going by feats alone, are > Tsunades. genius at earth bending. she's blind but she can "see" by sensing even minute vibrations from the ground.
has the genius ability to bend even the impurities of metals (the pinnacle of earthbending)



for the itachi/ozai fight, itach better not use a fire jutsu or it's most likely backfire.

So she sees by using vibrations from the ground... like a Graboid in Tremors?

So then if Sakura were to use her omg ninja skillz to like.. jump through the air and hit her and kill her instantly? As soon as her feet leave the ground she'd effectively be invisible then.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
for the itachi/ozai fight, itach better not use a fire jutsu or it's most likely backfire.
How would Amaterasu backfire? Amaterasu is stronger then any of Ozai's flames.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
So she sees by using vibrations from the ground... like a Graboid in Tremors?

So then if Sakura were to use her omg ninja skillz to like.. jump through the air and hit her and kill her instantly? As soon as her feet leave the ground she'd effectively be invisible then. Better question is what will Sakura do when Toph is throwing boulder after boulder at her, creating small fissures knocking her off balance, and making pillars of rock raise up on her.

Or Toph can just bury her underground. Would be funny.

On the topic of Ozai, firebenders can put out flames with a blocking motion as demonstrated by Zuko destroying Azula's flames in a fight.

Not saying it would work on Amaterasu, I don't see why he doesn't just dodge it.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Better question is what will Sakura do when Toph is throwing boulder after boulder at her, creating small fissures knocking her off balance, and making pillars of rock raise up on her.

Or Toph can just bury her underground. Would be funny.

On the topic of Ozai, firebenders can put out flames with a blocking motion as demonstrated by Zuko destroying Azula's flames in a fight.

Not saying it would work on Amaterasu, I don't see why he doesn't just dodge it. I may be wrong about this but doesn't Amareratsu work by Itachi looking at you and then you burst into flames? Isn't the effect closer to spontaneous combustion than to a projectile fire. If so I dont think Ozai would do anything except burn. Unlike in the Narutoverse, theres no clone to take your place when that happens.

Sasuke was out-running it.

IMO, I really don't think Itachi was aiming to kill Sasuke with it, he should've caught Sasuke with it with ease, unless Sasuke was literally going faster then Itachi's eyesight, i think Itachi was being a bit protective when he was using it, he even stopped it as soon as it hit him.

But Amaterasu is literally supposed to burn anything that his eye see's, so unless Ozai can dodge Itachi's eyesit he won't be avoiding it

From the Databook:


"The ones reflected in these eyes turn to ash!! A black world-destroying conflagration that scorches all on heaven and earth!!"

The Uchiha clan, originally significant as "those with the fans which manipulate fire", traditionally specialize in Katon jutsu, but there is a legendary jutsu unknown outside the clan. This is "Amaterasu". The appearance of these flames are jet-black. The high temperature is like the sun, and one time touching it is the last. It is said that this is named after the Goddess of the Sun as it continues to burn for seven days and seven nights.

IMO, Amaterasu is one of the most poweful fire moves in manga.

Couldn't Ozai like control it? Considering his power is making and controlling fire.

Originally posted by Terryc250


"The ones reflected in these eyes turn to ash!!

No reason to believe this is literal. It's common knowledge that Amaterasu is cast with the eyes, and generally you look at your opponent when attacking them. Thus, the point of that statement is to say that whoever you're looking at is your target.

The high temperature is like the sun,

Hyperbole. like the sun, meaning that is hot, and the sun is hot. Thus they are comparable. If Amaterau's temperature was actually the same temperature as the sun, the statement would be hot as the sun.

Like Karen.

*shrug*

I don't know who this Ozai guy is, so I dunno who'd win, but it bothers me that people overrate Amatersu. It's not an instantaneous attack, and it's not utterly damaging...

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaREturns/chapter415.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=49525

The fact that Karin's back is literally engulfed and flames, and the flames stayed on her back long enough for her to sink into the water, which means at last a few seconds, leads me to believe that it takes awhile for the fire to be truly affective.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
No reason to believe this is literal. It's common knowledge that Amaterasu is cast with the eyes, and generally you look at your opponent when attacking them. Thus, the point of that statement is to say that whoever you're looking at is your target.
The statement says whoever he looks at gets burned, it doesn't say whoever he looks at becomes a target, for amaterasu to shoot at. Amaterasu works on sight.


Well because Amaterasu hasn't ever been used with the intent to kill. Everytime its hit someone the person stops amaterasu right away, and one time touching is its last, every person who has been hit with Amaterasu has been KO'd right away, its the user who stops amaterasu to save the person. Since when does sinking in water take "atleast a few seconds" ? Its water, not mud. Try standing on water and see how fast you would fall in, it does not take "a few seconds", Sasuke put it out before she even fully went into the water

Its basically almost instantaneous. Sasuke +shunshin was almost faster than Itachi eyesight with sharingan on as he got behind Itachi. Sasuke used cs which does increase speed so it could of been faster than itachi could have seen. Thought itachi did chase him down with it. And i dougbt that A firebender can take control of another person fire. Especially amaterasu.

And Amaterasu burns with the intensity of the sun when it is focused on the target. Well thats the theory that starting to catch on specially with I must say one of my break downs of what happen. Best example being in the stone toad stomach of amaterasu flames.

Yup.

A fire bender could control ameratasu.

Ang could literally control Sasuke's body with blood bending.

Sasuke's faster. Much faster.

Ang just has to put up a wind shield or a water shield. Sasuke can't control those elements.

I dont see how Ang or anyone is going to control Sasuke fire techniques much less Amaterasu. They dont even know of the holy black flame muchless being able to control it. I have never seen anyone control another person fire before.

Amaterasu has a bunch of hyperboles attached, but it's not really very impressive - it was unable to burn through Karin's cloak, FFS.

And it is always fired as a projectile/flamethrower stream, it doesn't just appear on people.

Still Itachi would win his fight due to his genjutsu

Everyone from Naruto wins(yes, I said it)

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Amaterasu has a bunch of hyperboles attached, but it's not really very impressive - it was unable to burn through Karin's cloak, FFS.


Sasuke put it out as soon as the fire caught onto her cloak, every person that was caught by the flames gets KO'd right away, and thats just being caught by the flame, the only thing saving them was the user putting it out. Now if Amaterasu was directly hit on the person, the persons body would probably literally be ashes, take the stone toad frog stomach for example.

Amaterasu is the equivelent of Tsukiyomi, in ninjutsu.

It just hasn't been shown to be that great because no one has been directly hit by it, they just were caught by the flame (in which KO'd every person).


No.. its not a flamethrower shooting fire from his eyes, it catches everything in his eyesight on fire

Sasuke was trying to outrun Itachi's field of vision

http://i37.tinypic.com/4k9xch.jpg
http://i35.tinypic.com/24npvg7.jpg
http://i37.tinypic.com/9av4nm.jpg

But was caught, this is probably what it would look like if someone was hit by Itachi's eyes in amaterasu, and not just get their clothing caught on the flames (itachi puts it out before it can destroy the body)
http://i33.tinypic.com/2hrj2ba.jpg

I think Naruto would get screwed if Ang goes into his avatar state and goes berserk.

Amaterasu is basically almost instantaneous. Just Sasuke was that fast and i dont think anyone in Avaverse is matching that speed. Sasuke shunshin w/ cs almost beat out Itachi Sight. CS was actually doing it just it finally caught him.

Also Amaterasu burns with that crazy intensity when its focused on the target. Sasuke lost focused on Hachibi and the fire was just burning him but he wasnt putting it out. Kirin wasnt being focused on either. Everything that has been focused on and caught by amaterasu was burned instantly and incernated instantly

Originally posted by Terryc250
The statement says whoever he looks at gets burned, it doesn't say whoever he looks at becomes a target, for amaterasu to shoot at. Amaterasu works on sight.

And it also doesn't say that the target just randomly bursts into flames either.

Here,

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/390/03/

Amaterasu converges upon it's target.



http://www.answers.com/converge

And look at when Itachi uses it. It first manifests itself in front of Itachi, and then it goes forward and attacks whatever Itachi's eye is focused on.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/389/16-17/

And look at Sawsgay's amaterasu, when he casts it. Notice it's movement:

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/415/01/

Notice the last three panes, it zooms closer and closer to Eight-Tails. Then the next page we see it hit him. Amaterasu is a projectile. It's created first and then launched at whatever the eye is targeting. That's... how a flame thrower works. You create the flame... then you direct it at someone.




You'd have to prove that Amaterasu can be altered in such a way. I've never heard of Amaterasu having different "levels" of power based on the users intent. Sawsgay's CS2 wings are more durable than his actual body is, yet the fire burned through his wings in a few seconds. Are you saying that if the fire had hit his actual body instead it would have killed him? That doesn't make any sense.




It knocked Karin out in a second (though it didn't harm her clothes lol) and did not knock out Sawsgay even though it burning long enough to char his wings.



Why bother showing her sink at all if it was nearly instantaneous?

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/415/07/


That doesn't make any sense. And it was on her long enough to knock her out but not hurt her clothes? What kind of sense does that make?

Okay Terry, that is poetic hyperbole, the reflected from eyes thing, seriously dude.

As Blax provided, Amaterasu is, and always has been, a projectile, a flaming one.

Hot as the sun? Karen seemed pretty fine. It did not signifigantly burn her after a few seconds.

Because Amaterasu burns only what is focused on. Its not that hard. here im a prove it to you.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/148/05/
Itachi about to use it. He is going to focus on the wall.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/148/06/
As you can see amaterasu burned through it instantly. Yet that same flame is still on the walls. Why because its not being focused on and its not being concentrated on in the users vision.

Originally posted by Csdabest
Because Amaterasu burns only what is focused on. Its not that hard. here im a prove it to you.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/148/05/
Itachi about to use it. He is going to focus on the wall.

So your "proof" is completely off-panel?

C'mon man.

We can't see him actually use the attck. So it's perfectly feasible to assume that when he used Amaterasu he just casted it then launched it at all the wall. There's no reason to assume that the wall just burst into flames when his eye focused on it.



Which means.. what? It's still on fire because it's fire and fire has to be put out somehow. That scan is only proof that Itachi was in a rush and so only put out the fire that was in the way of him escaping. THe eye focusing is only needed to actually cast and put out the technique. Once it's created it acts like regular fire.

And for a fire that supposedly burns instantly, how come the hole isn't getting bigger? The fire is still on the edges but the edges aren't spreading. It's not being eaten away.

im not proving that its instantanous. Im speaking about the intensitiy of the flames. That once it touched the part of the wall that was focused on it incinerated instantly. Once he left The flames that were still on the wall were burning with the same intensity.

If they were burning with the same intensity then how come the portion of the wall with the flames still on it didn't burn away?

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
And it also doesn't say that the target just randomly bursts into flames either.

Here,

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/390/03/

Amaterasu converges upon it's target.



http://www.answers.com/converge

And look at when Itachi uses it. It first manifests itself in front of Itachi, and then it goes forward and attacks whatever Itachi's eye is focused on.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/389/16-17/

And look at Sawsgay's amaterasu, when he casts it. Notice it's movement:

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/415/01/

Notice the last three panes, it zooms closer and closer to Eight-Tails. Then the next page we see it hit him. Amaterasu is a projectile. It's created first and then launched at whatever the eye is targeting. That's... how a flame thrower works. You create the flame... then you direct it at someone.

Yes the flame MEETS where his eye is focused at, a ball of fire doesnt shoot out of his eye ball at its target.

Itachi activates it, and the fire appears/converges/meets where his eye is focused on

Look at the pictures, the flame follows his viewsight, its not constantly shooting out flames
http://i37.tinypic.com/4k9xch.jpg
http://i35.tinypic.com/24npvg7.jpg
http://i37.tinypic.com/9av4nm.jpg

The fire is meeting/converging where his line of sight is.

You cant dodge it unless your dodging the persons line of sight.

That one of Sasuke shows what Sasuke is focusing on, then in the next page it shows it on fire, it never ever showed Amaterasu shooting at anything, it simply shows Amaterasu appearing where he focuses on.



Intent to kill as in directly hit a person, everytime amaterasu has hit ANYONE it was put out before it could kill. Thats what i mean by never used as with an intent to kill.


It burned what it was caught on right away, Sasuke used a kawarmi, it wasn't his real body that was hit.


Probably to show that Sasuke put it out so fast that she didn't even have time to go underwater.

How did it not hurt her clothes? It disintegrated the part that it touched.

I'll address this tomorrow you persistent jackass.

Dude, Amaterasu doesn't shoot out like a normal Katon jutsu, or else they would have shouwn it like this:

http://www.mangafox.com/page/manga/read/8/naruto/chapter.15590/page.11/

http://img05.nj.us.mangafox.com/store/manga/8/42-389.0/compressed/naruto_389_fh.naruto_389_14.jpg

Kishi draws it with a tail, to show that its firing in the direction, amaterasu simply just appears as it is always shown, and follows his eyesight as he has his amaterasu activated.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
I'll address this tomorrow you persistent jackass.




I love you.

Originally posted by Terryc250
How would Amaterasu backfire? Amaterasu is stronger then any of Ozai's flames. amaterasu is a desperation move, it has horrible side effects (sasuke is going blind already).

Originally posted by Terryc250
Yes the flame MEETS where his eye is focused at, a ball of fire doesnt shoot out of his eye ball at its target.

.. who said anything about it shooting out of his eyes? I never said that. I said that it's created first and then it htis the target. It doesn't just appear on the target.



It converges.



Who said anything about it being "continuous"? And it follwoing his view site doesn't contradict anything I've said... He aims with eyes. So?



Right on. If we were to use a metaphor for it I'd say that the eyes act like the cross-hairs of a gun. The attack will occur between the cross-hairs. But that still doesn't contradict anything I've said...




Prove it. Human eyes don't "zoom" in on things so it wouldn't make sense.



That's not how I interpreted it.



Ah, gotcha. I thought you were trying to say something ridiculous...



I'm not sure about that. If you lay on water flat on your back you float a bit before sinking, I think that's viable. I won't press the issue though, my point here is shaky at best...



Just checked and you're right.



I never said it did.

And the second link doesn't work btw.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
.. who said anything about it shooting out of his eyes? I never said that. I said that it's created first and then it htis the target. It doesn't just appear on the target.

You're saying it shoots at people It was never shown to shoot at anyone


Yes at his eye, he aims at a spot and the fire meets it there, its not shot at there.



Yeah it manifests where he is focused on, and it follows his eyesight as amaterasu is on.


=\ It has never shown to shoot at anything..

Mangekyou isn't "human eyes" its simply shows what Sasuke is focused on, see the first it shows the panel has the focus effect on Sasuke's mangekyou, then it shows from its point of view with that same 'focus' effect as it zooms in at what he's focused on, there is no amaterasu fire.

http://www.mangafox.com/page/manga/read/8/naruto/chapter.66377/
No fire at all

then
http://www.mangafox.com/page/manga/read/8/naruto/chapter.66377/page.2/
amaterasu manifests at where he was focused on.


Not really.. you have to move around to stay floated, if you don't mvoe your body at all and just fall asleep, you'll fall right in.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
If they were burning with the same intensity then how come the portion of the wall with the flames still on it didn't burn away? Thats what I was trying to explain. That only the flame thats focused on burns with that intensity and the flame that isnt doesnt burn the same. As you can see in the toad stomache

Then why were those trees that had been hit by it during the Sasuke vs. Itachi fight still standing for so long?

Karin's cloak was hit way before Sasuke tried to cancel the thing, yet it was barely scorched

Face it: Amaterasu is weaksauce

Wow are you not understanding what im saying

Active Amaterasu(Amaterasu flame thats being focused on a target)=Burns with the intensity of so called sun

Latent Amaterasu(Amaterasu flame that is not being focused on a target)=Burning as hot as regulare fire most likely but still cant be exstinguished.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Then why were those trees that had been hit by it during the Sasuke vs. Itachi fight still standing for so long?

Karin's cloak was hit way before Sasuke tried to cancel the thing, yet it was barely scorched

Face it: Amaterasu is weaksauce

You can't even see the trees, all you see is big black flames, if the amaterasu was put out, there would probably be nothing there.

Karins cloak was on fire for like a second, and the part that was on fire was totally disintegrated.

Originally posted by Csdabest
Wow are you not understanding what im saying

Active Amaterasu(Amaterasu flame thats being focused on a target)=Burns with the intensity of so called sun

Latent Amaterasu(Amaterasu flame that is not being focused on a target)=Burning as hot as regulare fire most likely but still cant be exstinguished.

This was stated.... when?



Fail

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/394/01/

Trees are still standing way after Amaterasu was used

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/394/03/

Can't even burn a snake

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/415/06/

Here you see it's all over her body

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/415/07/

Burning on her coat

Not to mention it didn't even kill Killerbee

Well Kirabi kinda faked his defeat to take a "vacation" to be fair...

Speaking of which, wtf ever happened with the Kirabi and Raikage plot?

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Well Kirabi kinda faked his defeat to take a "vacation" to be fair...

Speaking of which, wtf ever happened with the Kirabi and Raikage plot?

Put on hold, like most good plots in Naruto

1. Aang: AS puts him on a whole 'nother level, even his kyuubi powers wouldn't get him close enough to Aang who can launch attacks from a long distance away with the whole damn arena or whatever as his weapon. Unless Naruto's new jutsu we haven't seen yet can mess stuff up from far away, he can't touch him.

2. Sasuke: My working theory is that the Sharingan wouldn't be able to follow the bending, since chi is to Avatar what chakra is to Naruto(even though Avatar uses the term chakra too it's more in the traditional sense), still Zuko gets overwhelmed eventually because he just doesn't have the same mobility or stamina as Sasuke.

3. Since the only Fire Lord we've seen was during the comet, we'd have to say that's the version that'd fight. I think he'd give Itachi a quick run, but unless Ozai knows about genjutsu before hand, that'll get him and the fight is over in a few minutes.

4. Sakura's only edge is her strength, so she'd pummel any boulders flung at her, but I don't see her compensating for Toph going underground and attacking from below, or kicking up a bunch of dust and using zero visibility to her advantage.

5. Katara freezes Hinata's butt cold. No need for further break down as I don't know jack about her.

6. Asuma puts up a decent fight but a blast of lightining to his face ends the fight.

I must say. amaterasu is extremely fast. The fact that it cought sasuke while he had CS2 on proves its fast as hell. faster than any of the characters in Avatar.

...Actually, didn't Zuko like, actually move to block lightning after it was fired in Sozin's Comet?

Good point, I forgot about that. He's also got extreme hops. In The Boiling Rock he jumped up atleast 9 feet up and 20 something feet forward to catch up to a tram.

...No but going by that...He moved at near lightning speed.

I must say the way lightning was protrayed is way different. its like Ozai summoned the ligntning into him and then channeled it out at him. I dont think the lightning kept with the same actaul speed of lightning. And the way they did it was slow as hell

Also @ Endless Mike. It shown to be so in the manga. As i showed eitrher on this page or last page

Not everyone who does it is slow, Ozai for example on Day of the Black Sun.

But in Sozin's Comet, Azula's lightning was already fired, he had to move after it was fired, jump, and take the hit while partially redirecting it as well.

Thing is. It came from a person and not from the actual sky, So its doubtble that it was as fast as natural lightning

I posted manga scans disproving your claims, don't just tell me I'm wrong without attempting to refute anything I said

Originally posted by Endless Mike
I posted manga scans disproving your claims, don't just tell me I'm wrong without attempting to refute anything I said

Watcha talkin about willis

Probably was meant for a different versus thread.