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Semi-finals Round: Planet Arrakis : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrakis
Duration: Match begins Wednesday, December 3rd. For the playoffs matches will end when participants exhaust their post quotas/state they are finished debating.

#2 Digi Vs. #3 Leo/Scoob

Judges: Badabing, Citizen V, Symmetric Chaos, Darthgoober, Illadelph

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Rematch Time! (sort of)

PREP SITE: Damocles Base (or Chronopolis if there's any reason we couldn't use Damoclese)

Team:

Techno
Forge
Kang
Spiral
Mr Terrific
Peacemaker

AMALGAMS:

Kang
Peacemaker
Robogod - Mr. Terrific/Spiral/Forge/Techno

PREP PLANS/ACTIVITIES:

in the opening instants of the prep period, we have techno (using kane's tech and database information acquired last round) download the following powersets:

Weapon x: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_North_(comics)

Chamber: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chamber_(comics)

Kimura: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimura_(comics)

Deadpool: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadpool_(comics)

Aurora: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurora_(comics)

Washout: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washout_(comics)

and . . .

Madison Jefferies: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madison_Jeffries

http://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jefferies1qc8.jpg



All of that takes place within the first 10secs of the prep period. techno then turns to the task of copying Kang's mind (in the same way we absorbed/copied the minds of our characters in the previous rd).

As seen here: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/newreply.php?s=&action=newreply&postid=11298979

When that is finished we amalgamate our guys (6mins).

Once we have amalgamated, it is important to realize what we've created. we've incorporated Forge's power into a body that works at computer speeds, allows for the creation of instant tech (via techno and kane's liquid metal) and that operates at tourney max speed and given him a herald-level technomorphing ability. we've also gone ahead and granted him access to 30th & 40th century tech and mixed in a mind that is intimately familiar with all of that tech.

Also, Techgod will, with the aid of Kang's mind, replicate all of Kang's standard armour tech within his own body, this includes personal force fields that can hold of an enraged Thor:

http://img368.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shield02mjolnirpg1.jpg

http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shield03qg1.jpg

Needless to say, we make our amalgam a busy little beaver. with all of said abilities he sets about creating a few things:

(1) T-spheres--he creates 6 T-spheres. from the tech available to him, we have him work in a couple little extras--in 3 of them, he adds in stark's event horizon technology. (he acquired stark's mind in the previous rd). basically, we create 3 black hole bombs. in the others, we incorporate forge's OWN NEUTRALIZER TECH, and we have it set to target anyone on the battlefield who is NOT on our team.

http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/4056/neutralizereffectscu4.jpg

Look closely and you will see it was to be used to neutralize ALL superpowers--those include mutants, non-mutants AND even Iron Man's armor. the neutralizer is a Bee-otch!

The T-spheres themselves are incredible pieces of tech. Through mr T, we can literally control them with a thought--and as we THINK at computer speed, and they are supercomputers themselves, we can actually have them target and fire at LIGHTSPEED.

That is important--there is a limit on TRAVEL SPEED in this tourney--there is no limit at all on THOUGHT SPEED. we control the spheres with computer speed thoughts. Digi's guy moves at mach 10, his reflexes, reactions, all of those things are CAPPED at mach 10. for all his "HERALD TALK" our T-spheres can target and shoot at LIGHTSPEED. to the spheres, Digi will be LITERALLY, AND AT ALL TIMES, standing still.

(2) With the spheres built and the tech incorporated, we proceed to recreate, via Kang's knowledge, his holographic projection gear and the scarlet centurion armor. now it's imporatnt to note that this tech will likely be ALREADY available to us--it has already be made and is existing inside damocles base. we just need to retrieve it. if not, we can simply interface with it, copy it's schematics and reproduce it virtually isntantly. In less than a second, jefferies has turned a car into a robot and Techno has turned his body into various high powered weapons. Given Kang's knowledge along with our speed and brain power, NOTHING WE ARE DOING IS OUTSIDE OUR ABILITIES.

Once the tech is taken or recreated, we assign it to Kang.

What does the holo-gear do? well, it lets us do this . . .

http://img371.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hologram1px9.jpg

and this:

http://img371.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hohlogram2cv3.jpg

and this:

http://img58.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hologram3xp3.jpg


In that last scan, kang's hologram is actually dwarfing DAMOCLES BASE ITSELF. that would make him MILES tall . . . and a fully attacking, invulnerable hologram. methinks THAT might be a problem . . .

(3) using peacemaker's mind (which we DL'd last match) we recreate (as we did last match) REACH-tech in the form of scarab armor and give it to peacemaker to wear for the battle.


Once all the gear is created (sounds like a lot, but with our super speed, ready access to kang's crazy-uber tech and the ability to technomorph at computer speeds--not to mention with possession of the actual MINDS of all the tech's inventors . . .--this really is NOT a lot to accomplish) we use Techno to additionally incorporate kang's GROWING MAN tech into our body and with whatever time is left on the clock, (only requires seconds) spiral dances and turns us invisible and casts a power reversal spell over us. we erect all forcefields--adaptive--so strong that thor, quasar, IM, cap marvel and several others could not cut through with DAYS of prep:


http://img338.imageshack.us/my.php?image=adaptiveshieldei8.jpg

We are now invisible to all technological and biological 'sensors'.

BATTLE:

At the very outset of the battle we teleport (Via Spiral's power) Kang and the hologear to a location on the opposite side of the planet so he can call up the hologram. he appears in the opening seconds of the match as a 2000' tall hologram that is untouchable but can dish out vast amounts of damage (scans to follow). while Kang does that, our main amalgam locates Digi's team, teleports the T-spheres to his location all around and orders the spheres to launch their neutralizing beams at digi's team. if they are somehow . . . guarded against (I've really no idea how . . .) then we set off the black hole bombs and teleport to Kang's location. (he's on the opposite side of the planet--even at mach 10 it would take many minutes--maybe hours) to reach him. Teleporting is instant.

If somehow they survive those initial attacks, we are invisible to them in all ways. we teleport behind them then we utilise MADISON JEFFERIES' powerset to simply RIP MINION APART.

We have equal speed.
We have>maneuverability
Judomaster's powers will NOT save him from jefferies (who has even--for a brief time--ripped apart death metal) all we need to do is make him vulnerable briefly, then Techno can simply ABSORB MINION'S TECH INTO HIMSELF.

WE BECOME THE ASSIMILATORS.

We also have Peacemaker wearing armor that FRIGHTENS GREEN LANTERNS! (scans of reach tech to follow . . .)

Beyond that, Kang himself has MASSIVE firepower available to him instantly, we have all of Stark's armaments available to us as well. if we can stun him, Spiral can ALSO simply depower him with a wave.

If he survives the T-spheres and their neutralizing attack and black hole bombs, then the fun is just beginning.

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Oh, we also found something we would like to add in regards to Minion's CAP MARVEL power-up . . . something i think the judges and everyone will find pretty interesting . . .

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Digi has argued, constantly, that he possesses the souls of the Marvels and that this, in turn, gives him access to their Shazam granted power-ups. He claims this through the argument that it is the souls which call for the power and the body isn't required.

In the following scan you will see Freddy Freeman's power called down by a recording of his voice (within the vicinity of his body) the result? the lightning strikes his BODY, not the mechanical device that is calling the power.

It also shows that it is Freddy's voice that is required to summon the power (or an exact replica of his voice at the very least) but this STILL results in the power being attracted to Freddy's BODY.

http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/5836/freddyeo1.th.jpg

Essentially this one scan shows that Digi's Marvel power-up should never have worked in the first place, soul or no soul.


And as Digi has himself shown in other matches, when the lightning strikes a body that is not pre-approved by the wizard Shazam, it has bad results for the target (most famously shown at the end of Kingdom Come when Billy Batson uses it to great effect against Superman)


And if some of you are still on the fence, we can always switch off magical power-ups with a weaponised version (courtesy of our techgod amalgams uber tech-godliness) of this contraption:

http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thorblakero2.jpg

Wax-on - Wax-off, no Shazam based powers to fret about in this match.
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Quick recap--

OFFENSE:

Black hole bombs
Neutralizers
Holographic warrior
Spiral's depowering and other spells
Madison Jefferies powers
Iron Man's weaponry
Kang's weaponry

DEFENSE:

Kang's adaptive shields
Power reversal
Invisibility to all tech AND human eyes
Intangibility via spiral
Tactical teleporting
Adaptive counterattack abilities via reach-tech
Tourney max speed
Near-lightspeed thought
Growing Man tech
Kane's ability to absorb kinetic energy and turn it into POWER

I'm sure we're forgetting something, but don't worry - - we'll remember as we go along . . .

NON-POST:

just a quick confirmation--delph didn't ok it until late, so i didn't specifically post it, but our OFFICIAL base is DAMOCLES BASE for prep. the reason i clarify is because the hologear/armor is LOCATED on damocles base. all we need to do is retrieve it, as opposed to recreate it. might save us whole seconds!

en garde, monsieu digi!

so, basically digi's plan is as follows--i'm tougher than you guys so i win!



sorry mon ami, not going to even come CLOSE to cutting it this time around. there's a new and much better (and snazzier) bully on the block.

if you read his response, you can see for yourself that he actually has no way at all to avoid our initial onslaught of t-spheres and black hole bombs. his counters are rather silly.

he shows a scan of havok struggling to contain a single black hole that HE IS HOLDING AND POURING ENERGY INTO.

our bombs explode well away from him--they have a programmable stasis field--that is to say WE TELL THE BOMB HOW LARGE ITS BLAST RADIUS IS.

http://img522.imageshack.us/my.php?image=miniblackholeiq4.jpg

we said the instant the spheres target you, they go off.

we start 0.5km apart.

havok will never have a chance to come CLOSE to touching even ONE of our black holes. at the outset of the battle, they find you at near lightspeed and go off--BOOM!! but that's only if you somehow convince anyone you have any powers left because the NEUTRALIZERS target you an instant before the bombs go off and utterly depower you. your cute little anti-metal pulse that you somehow feel will be a saviour is . . . not very effective from the distance we are attacking you.

your second scan shows that the field doesn't work until the metal is practically ON TOP of the field. your first scan shows him DIRECTIONALLY zapping some alarm material--again AT CLOSE RANGE. clearly the effect is directionally based or else it would destroy everything metallic around him--including the truncheon. it also doesn't pack hardly any range, or the pulse would liquify everything BEYOND the alarm system.

so, havok won't have a chance to try and contain even ONE black hole--we have THREE SEPERATE EVENT HORIZONS FORMING--minion would literally be ripped into less than atoms by the conflicting gravity wells--and his anti-metal pulse can only fire in one direction and has next to no range.

in the opening moments, he is depowered via forge's neutralizer--which depowered an ENTIRE PLANET OF THE SORCEROUS DIRE WRAITHS--and then he is ripped to itty-bitty pieces by the black hole bombs.

so confident was he in his superiority, he didn't even bother to specify that his team was seperated in anyway. consequently, they all arrive together, and are ALL STRUCK BY THE NEUTRALIZER RAY. his team is finished in the opening instants of the match.

in order to avoid this end, he would need to:

(a) locate us (he can't see or sense robogod so he needs to locate the spheres which all have their own powerful forcefields as part of their standard equipment)
(b) close the distance (at mach 10)
(c) attack us (at mach 10)

on the other hand:

(a) we target him instantly (we likely discover each other at the same instant)
(b) we have NO DISTANCE TO COVER
(c) we have him surrounded with MULTIPLE WEAPONS
(d) WE ATTACK AT NEAR-LIGHTSPEED

do the math. digi's team is caught in a crossfire he cannot NOT avoid. he can't even flee up or down. if he does, spiral just teleports the spheres into his path above or below ground and we set them off:

http://img460.imageshack.us/my.php?image=senses1co9.jpg

http://img522.imageshack.us/my.php?image=senses2dm9.jpg

he really is utterly screwed--no aversion field, no shielding, no healing keeps him from being depowered and ripped into quarks and leptons. even intangibility wouldn't save him--he'd still have mass and even LIGHT is pulled into an event horizon . . . (we only project the hologram AFTER the bombs go off . . . cripes, are we idiots?? )

and again, even if he DOES convince anyone he CAN survive that initial assault--i've no idea how--WE ARE UTTERLY INVISBLE TO HIS TEAM IN EVERY WAY.

even if he gets out, we just teleport behind him, use jefferies powerset, and shred him from the inside out.

so, to answer his question:

black hole bombs, neutralizing beams, tactical teleporting, invisibility to all senses and madison jefferies powerset. i think that pretty much answers THAT question.

and while robogod and his t-spheres do that, the scarab-armored peacemaker canm easily take out moonknight (if anyone believes he is alive), and kang? kang is a 2000' tall hologram capable of unleashing absolute hell . . .

http://img371.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hologram1px9.jpg

http://img371.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hohlogram2cv3.jpg

http://img58.imageshack.us/my.php?image=megabomb1jd6.jpg

http://img338.imageshack.us/my.php?image=megabomb2eo2.jpg

http://img371.imageshack.us/my.php?image=megabomb3pg7.jpg

i hope everyone understands the power kang possesses here--he can unleash CITY DESTROYING BLASTS IN THE FORM OF AN INTANGIBLE HOLOGRAM. and he is attacking from the OTHER SIDE OF THE PLANET.

kang ALONE could cause digi's team grief and EFFORTLESSLY wipeout everyone save minion. and he could wipe-out minion as well unless you factor in the whole 'marvel-based-powers' which our scan utterly and completely refutes.

but even if he survives ALL THAT, we have adaptive shielding (please understand--it withstood the combined assaults of ALL the most powerful avengers including QUASAR and stark had WEEKS to try and overcome it . . .), equal speed, FAR GREATER maneuverability and the ability to percieve MECHANICAL ENERGY IN MOTION.

that is forge's gift. and beyond that, he can INTUITIVELY UNDERSTAND that information, and INTUITIVELY develop means of COUNTERING it.

forge's only drawback is that it takes him TIME to counter things. here, in a matter of minutes, he collated data and developed a weapon capable of taking out STRANGE!

http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=strangeweapon1aw2.jpg

http://img355.imageshack.us/my.php?image=strangeweapon2nb7.jpg

http://img355.imageshack.us/my.php?image=strangeweapon3tq5.jpg

strange was SERIOUSLY powerful. and he had only MINUTES to come up with something. on the fly, we could create a weapon to inhibit the nanites that operate minion's healing factor:

http://img377.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nanotechinhibitorzl5.jpg

and on and on. with his intuitive powers working at computer speeds, he can literally counter ANYTHING he comes up against. with techno-morphing and instant tech creation, WE, not digi, have the most lethal amalgam in this tournament . . .

more spotlight on the scrab armor next post.

a couple final things to keep in mind--we have kimura's invulnerability which prevented even x-23 from cutting her. that on TOP of our adaptive shielding and the ability to ABSORB KINETIC energy, make us at LEAST as durable as minion. regardless of his strength, the adaptive shield will hold out against his physical strikes (though how he could approach us since we have jefferies powers and all that other offense is beyond me . . . not to mention the fact WE ARE INVISBLE TO HIM!!) and any damage that MIGHT leak through only makes us stronger AND bigger due to growing man tech.

damn, we have offense we cannot in any way counter, and defenses he cannot in any way overcome.

and he was concerned with us being able to hurt him . . . heh

Digi Post #2

Post 1 was mostly pre-planned stuff. Now I actually get to sink my teeth into this match.

Techno-Logic

We have 10 minutes of prep. By their own admission, amalgamations will take roughly 6 min. of that:
Originally posted by illadelph12
When that is finished we amalgamate our guys (6mins).

So, for the math-deficient, that leaves 4 minutes. Keep that in mind.

With the remaining 4 minutes, they want you to believe that they can do ALL of the following:
A. Download the power sets of no less than 7 characters, none of which they bothered to prove would be in the database, or that Techno would be able to assimilate their powers.
B. Kang's armor. Mind you, Kang isn't amalgamated with Techno. He'd have to describe the armor to him, since a telepathic link isn't viable. Impossible in 4 minutes, or even 4 hours.
C. 6 T-spheres
D. But wait, he expects us to believe he can effortlessly meld two different kinds of tech (Stark's and Terrific's) to incorporate Stark-tech into the T-spheres, which will never be supported by evidence.
E. Adds yet another person's tech to the T-spheres, Forge's, to make them into neutralizers.
F. Kang's hologear and growing man tech

4 minutes, boys and girls. They don't have Flash, the amount of time they need, nor the materials to do all of that. Not even close.

Nor do they have, well, any scans of Techno doing anything even close to this level. I look forward to the justification of such drivel.

Holos

Might as well counter that stuff anyway, but judges, please don't believe all of it. It's beyond all believability. Leo's tech-blitz worked fine last tourney when he had Savitar operating with the speed force. Without it, the plan just smacks of silliness.

Anyway.

The holograms. I can see through them. They wouldn't bug me in the least. BK has the magical ability to see beyond deceptions of all kinds. Examples:
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/jjschm20/Black%20Knight/BKSeesMagic2.jpg
or
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/jjschm20/Black%20Knight/BKSeesMagic1.jpg
Not only does he see through the physical illusion, but he can detect lies as well.

Energy

Did they really use energy attacks against me?! Really? They must not have seen who I have.

Are their blasts at the level of High Evolutionary?
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/jjschm20/Black%20Knight/ThenaHighEvolutionaryPower.jpg

Or Super-Adaptoid?
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/jjschm20/Black%20Knight/caaacc4d.jpg

Their own energy blasts will be getting used against them. Thanks for the extra offense, boys. By the way, the neutralizer ray is energy too. They just helped me neutralize their own team. Damn, this is fun.

But that's ignoring the person who is THE energy wielder in this fight. Havok.

Besides being able to reflect energy back at them:
http://img329.imageshack.us/my.php?image=reflectfy9.jpg

I'm simply going to be producing far more than them:
http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen161cv1.jpg
http://img216.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen161bbe4.jpg
http://img216.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen161cnr7.jpg
or
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/Havok/scan0018.jpg
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/Havok/scan0019.jpg

Or I could just melt all of their tech by heating the air around me:
http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen180bcc0.jpg
Add that to his amp, which lets him produce energy omnidirectionally at inconceivable levels, and their tech will simply melt as soon as they come to the fight. 0.5 kilometers is absolutely nothing to a being of such power.

But those are "regular" unamped blasts, whereas I'm amped from Firehawk's sun powers. He's Vulcan+ now, and can destroy miles of battlefield with a thought. And will.

Black Hole. Of Logic

The black hole device, by their own scan, requires a fission reactor, which includes far more exotic materials than some metal. Do they have atomic matter manipulation skills in that amalgam to go with the already-ludicrous techno-morphing?

Prime

With no further rebuttal, I have to assume that the Minion plan is a go. I've quelled every possible rebuttal, and countered their pitiful lone scan to try to dissuade you. If it does, pitted against the mountains of scans and evidence I've provided, well, it shouldn't. Scoob and leo don't like my plan, and they don't think it will work. But until they provide a credible reason for you to think that, I have everything that I claim with Minion, including Cpt. Marvel+ level base power.

Now for a few specific rebuttals:

Originally posted by leonidas
so, basically digi's plan is as follows--i'm tougher than you guys so i win!

If it works.



Though don't let him marginalize my team into a bunch of muscleheads. This post and my others prove irrefutably that I covered my versatility bases as well.

Originally posted by leonidas
do the math. digi's team is caught in a crossfire he cannot NOT avoid. he can't even flee up or down. if he does, spiral just teleports the spheres into his path above or below ground and we set them off:

They would melt anywhere close enough to us to be set off and do damage, thanks to Havok. Or be disintegrated by our anti-metal. This attack is worthless.

You thought I kept my team together out of arrogance? Nay, friend. It was because between all my team members, we can counter anything, making us impossible to stop.

Originally posted by leonidas
and while robogod and his t-spheres do that, the scarab-armored peacemaker canm easily take out moonknight (if anyone believes he is alive), and kang? kang is a 2000' tall hologram capable of unleashing absolute hell

More energy for me to use against you. Awesome. Remember, judges, he was destroying entire city blocks in hologram form. Remember that kind of power, because my team is built specifically to use it against them. I'd post the Kang scans again for ironic evidence, but hopefully you saw them the first time around.

And don't take potshots at Moon Knight like that. Your team is literally made of metal. What will the Angelwing's magetic powers do to your tech? Just another way for me to f*ck them up.
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/ms_-_moon_knight_v3_036_p12.jpg

Originally posted by leonidas
forge's only drawback is that it takes him TIME to counter things. here, in a matter of minutes, he collated data and developed a weapon capable of taking out STRANGE!

You don't have minutes. You likely don't have seconds. You have all of our instant teleport to the battlefield before Havok wipes out all of your tech (and team) with this:
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/Havok/Page023.jpg
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/Havok/Page024.jpg
But times that attack by about 5 since he's amped by Firehawk.

Originally posted by leonidas
not to mention the fact WE ARE INVISBLE TO HIM!!)

I dealt with this last match. Minion's a cyborg, only half machine. So I can see you "invisible to tech" just fine. He's also amalgamated with 2 humans, one of whom can magically see through all illusions and deceptions. So don't even start with this. It's just plain false.

And if you're using Spiral's magic for this, Dane (BK) can see through that too, as the physical deceptions I posted earlier were magic-based.

Summary

- Can they really do what they say they can in 4 minutes? Think long and hard on this (debunking above). If they can, they have a small chance, though I have counters to nearly all of it (shown above and below) anyway. And if they can't do all of it (the more likely scenario) they are boned beyond belief.

- I can see through holograms, and any other deceptions (including magical, thanks to BK's powers).

- I can absorb their energy and send it back at them, which they are using against me.

- Using that technique, I can use their own neutralizer ray against them. Magical absorption >>>> tech-based energy, regardless of what it does.

- Havok's amp and delirious output means that he can spit out enough energy to literally melt their tech as the battle starts. Or if they try to teleport it close enough to me to do damage. Omni-directional sh*tstomp ftw!

- I have all of Minion Prime. They've offered nothing as counter-evidence. You seriously have to ask yourself if they've produced enough to kill a Cpt. Marvel level being who has KK's skill, can't be directly hit (Judo) and can absorb all kinds of energy (BK). They haven't. Not even close.

- Melt the tech with Havok any time, disintegrate their team with the anti-metal pulse from MK's truncheon (given to Minion), etc. etc.

- I'm faster, more skilled, way stronger, more durable, have far better energy output, I'm using most of their attacks against them, and their plan is ridiculous and hard to swallow. They're a tech-team...they need time to counter sh*t and space to operate in, or else they don't have anywhere close to my power. I attack them instantly, and their team is dead in about 5-10 seconds, either by my own power or by using theirs against them. They can't fool me, counter me, and certainly can't match me in raw power.

yep.

hitting his points: we showed kane DL'ing various powers, admitting he has access to a "vast" database of powers, we showed him DL'ing them IN THE MIDDLE OF COMBAT (near-instantaneous DL), everyone we accessed was a member of weapon x (kimura was CREATED by them . . .) so it is logical they would have knowledge and signatures of those characters and most importantly--we SHOWED HIM DL'ing jefferies powerset. and truthfully, he's the only one we REALLY need . . . (see scan only post below)

as regards kang's armor: huh? we don't give techno kang's armor--we just incorporate his forcefield tech. but with the armor specs--we COULD recreate it almost instantly. again, see below.

t-spheres: with specs in his head they can be created instantly.

as for integrating tech--again, easily. we have stark's mind. we have terrific's mind. we have forge thinking like a computer.

thing is, for us: THOUGHT=ACTION.

integrating the 2 types of tech would be effortless. with techno's mind, forge is LITERALLY thinking BILLIONS OF TIMES FASTER THAN HE NORMALLY CAN. his power is to INTUITIVELY understand thinsg and make them better, or counter them. relatively speaking, from forge's point of view, that "4mins" of prep at computer speeds (the best supercomputers of OUR time can process near lightspeed--imagine what TECHNO can do . . .) is extended into DAYS OR EVEN WEEKS over which he can utilize his instant tech creations. that's not hyperbole, it's not tournament-speak: that is FACT. so . . . yeah--we can pretty easily do what we have set out to accomplish.

as for the hologear-- it simply needs to be put on by kang as it exists in its entirety on the base . . .



i think scoob can better address this . . .


umm, he's 2000ft tall and stading right in front of you. he's pretty hard to hide . . . don't think you need the sword to see him . . .





the beam NEUTRALIZES superpowers.

it hits your shield and DEPOWERS it. it was built to depower all the superhumans ON EARTH. even THOR was threatened in that scan. the thing was so dangerous forge destroyed all the prototypes.
more importantly than all that even: IT WAS CREATED TO DEPOWER MAGIC.

the dire wraiths are POWERFUL sorcerers. even GALACTUS could not devour their homeworld! the neutralizer WIPED OUT ALL OF THEM. it was MADE for that reason. your shield and sword have no chance, and the fact that you offered them up for defense is something i was really hoping you would do. as soon as you try and block the first beam, the weapons become useless.

and if that's not enough--there are 3 SIMULTANEOUS BEAMS, each coming from a different angle. impossible for you to even TRY and deflect all 3.

as far as any other energy--the shield does NOTHING against the black holes, and NOTHING against jefferies powers. in fact, they are metal--jefferies can and HAS controlled alien metal as well as magically-based metals (see DEATH METAL). he doesn't have to destroy it completely--messing the shield and sword up the way he did DEATH METAL would allow for PLENTY of time to take you out with a combined assault from our 6-armed beast. once the sword is dealt with, spiral can teleport them into another dimension and leave you weaponless. simple as.



cept, we all have forcefields (including the t-spheres) that would easily withstand that heat--except moonknight, who would be dead very quickly indeed. and we target and depower you before you ever "conveniently decide" to send out an omnidirectional blast that would, you know, kill one of your guys . . .

havok is meaningless in this fight. he can't threaten kang who is a hologram, he can't threaten robogod because of our shields, he has NO defense vs being neutralized. he can't even defeat peacemaker, whose armor can instantly adapt to his attacks. he can and would be destroyed by our holographic kang very quickly when he is struck by bolts that wreck city blocks and bombs that work like nukes . . .

moonknight lasts even LESS time . . .



if jefferies can make a ship accelerate to LIGHTSPEED, converting small amounts of mass to produce the energy needed to power the bombs is less than nothing . . .

yep. you're screwed . . .



well, we showed the power could be called down by a recording. what more proof do you need that your soul-plan has gaping holes.

but regardless--who cares? your physical stats are useless against neutralizer beams, black hole bombs, jefferies abilities, forcefields you cannot penetrate, a holographic city-destroyer . . . what do we care if anyone believes you have something close to marvel's powers?



lol

your anti-metal pulse has a range and directional setting that makes it utterly useless. and tell everyone again how you decide to gather your energy, emit it in an omnidirectional way and kill one of your teammates (and even a marvel-ized minion wouldn't be immune to a heat that can nearly melt adamantium . . .) and likely greatly damage the other, before we instanta-target you and depower you? and firehawk is no where NEAR stellar ranges of power. even amped by a STAR havok could barely overcome vulcan. firehawk's energy wouldn't give near the amp he's trying to convince you it would . . .



c'mon digi. you want to use a magnet against us?

i said moonknight is useless because, well, he IS useless . . . peacemaker in scarab armor (scans coming from scoob soon . . .) OBLITERATES moonknight . . .



good thing we don't NEED seconds . . . less than a second will suffice. t-spheres can not HELP but find you instantly with the energy you're giving off. then you are depowered. seriously folks, it really is as simple as that. don't believe me? look at it logically and weigh for yourself what he's suggesting against what WE'RE suggesting:

us: t-spheres preprogrammed to locate him and attack with the neutralizer. this happens in less than a second. literally.
digi: (had no offensive plan in place) gets to the battlefield, first REALIZES we are not in the immediate area, THEN must decide to summon his power and unleash a massive heat blast that will kill MK, destroy his ship AND possibly do a lot of damage to minion. even if it takes him only 1 or 2 seconds (havok is NOT a computer and WOULD have some reservations about killing his teammates. . .) that is STILL WAY TOO LONG . . .

it's not really close when you look at the options logically. and again--he can't get away. we track at lightspeed, he moves at mach 10 and our teleporting is instantaneous. he is buggered 10 ways to sunday . . .



utterly unfounded.

the beams were DESIGNED to neutralize high level magic.
and you can't even TRY to absorb all 3 simultaneous beams.
you.
are
PWNED.



omniblast=death for MK and damage to minion (unless you think he laughs off heat that can nearly melt adamantium . . .)



easily. once he's depowered.
even if he's not, jefferies powerset is utterly anathema to minion.
we rip him apart from the inside a la dark guardian (below).
*note*--digi has offered exactly ZERO counter for jefferies powers. why? because he has none. safe in our shields, with spiral's senses and teleporting, we could evade him all day and abuse him with jefferies all night. he can't touch us and he couldln't harm us even if he COULD touch us.



ewwww . . . he gave himself the kiss of death.

5-10secs.

5-10secs?? he's dead 10x over by that time . . . by digi's own admission it takes 5-10secs for him to take us out. he really has no chance in this match.

This looks like hard work

scan only

in an instant, creates a complex sonograph after the specs ARE PLACED IN HIS HEAD:

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/AlphaFlight36-14.jpg


transforms his box armor into a spaceship that can travel at LIGHTSPEED by destroying parts of his mass and converting it into energy:

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g159/A_Flight9/AlphaFlight57-01.jpg

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g159/A_Flight9/AlphaFlight56-21.jpg

so much for not being able to make a black hole . . .

further evidence:

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f130/A_Flight7/Alpha_Flight_58.jpg

techno is AT LEAST as effective as the box armor in all ways regarding its ability to be technomorphed . . . we also have almost unlimited mass with which to work--damocles base was VAST, city-sized. anyway, more:

transforms into a light cannon to battle the gateway of night:

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/AlphaFlight86-10.jpg

instant mech creation in AF's 'danger room':

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/AlphaFlight53-04.jpg

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/AlphaFlight53-05.jpg

again, working from plans, he makes high pressure suits:

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i48/A_Flight8/AlphaFlight39-08.jpg

armor to protect AF:

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g159/A_Flight9/AlphaFlight57-15.jpg

the death metal scans:

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/DeathMetal_vs_Genetix_01_07.jpg

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/DeathMetal_vs_Genetix_01_08.jpg

digi's future . . .

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/AlphaFlight28-08.jpg

please understand judges: for us though--THOUGHT=ACTION. jefferies is a near-herald level transmuter after all, and we have computer-speed thinking.

_________________________________

kimura:

her skin is "indestructible". even x-23 can't come close to cutting it:

http://img338.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kimura1oo4.jpg

http://img242.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kimura2bj1.jpg

http://img78.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kimura3xq7.jpg

rogers admits her skin is indestructible . . .

_________________

forge and how he sees things . . .

http://img377.imageshack.us/my.php?image=forgevision1uq8.jpg

http://img355.imageshack.us/my.php?image=forgevision2zj1.jpg

he sees things the way they are MEANT to be seen.

Originally posted by kgkg
This looks like hard work

meh, it's a living.

oh, sorry--quick shout out to KM for making the jefferies stuff so readily available.

ok, no more unofficial posts.

Digi Post #3

I'll assume Scoob's planning nefariously (see also: drinking). Till then, I'm happy to go at it with leo.

Madison

Even scan posted was of Jeffries. A character they have yet to prove they actually have his power set. They haven't even attempted to justify their insanity with Techno, let alone provide nearly ANY scans to defend it. I have to assume the scans are somewhere, though whether or not they prove what leo's claiming is dubious at best.

We're used to crazy plans by this point. Participants and judges both. But make sure you make them justify their plan, which they haven't even attempted to do yet. Anything less than rock-solid proof is a disservice to tourneys, and a slap to the face of judges.

Originally posted by leonidas
as regards kang's armor: huh? we don't give techno kang's armor--we just incorporate his forcefield tech. but with the armor specs--we COULD recreate it almost instantly. again, see below.

t-spheres: with specs in his head they can be created instantly.

as for integrating tech--again, easily. we have stark's mind. we have terrific's mind. we have forge thinking like a computer.

thing is, for us: THOUGHT=ACTION.

Not quite. See, you aren't instantaneous matter manipulators. You have to build the tech, and incorporate all of your fancy modifications to it. You have to figure all of that out. In 4 minutes.

It's like having Reed Richards.
Us: "Hey Reed, we need to stop Galactus."
Reed: Hmm, hold on, I'll work on it.
Us: "Oh, but he'll be here in 4 minutes."
Reed: &#^@

The 'computer speeds' argument is a bit lost as well unless you back it up somehow. And there's still the matter of having enough materials to do all of it. And the right materials, not just random metal (remember, you aren't atomic matter manipulators, just metal workers).

Originally posted by leonidas
umm, he's 2000ft tall and stading right in front of you. he's pretty hard to hide . . . don't think you need the sword to see him . . .

Wasn't talking about him, though yes he'll know it's a hologram, not the real thing.

And we're STILL using your city-destroying blasts against you with our absorption and redirection. Woo.

Originally posted by leonidas
it hits your shield and DEPOWERS it. it was built to depower all the superhumans ON EARTH. even THOR was threatened in that scan. the thing was so dangerous forge destroyed all the prototypes.
more importantly than all that even: IT WAS CREATED TO DEPOWER MAGIC.

If you can build everything you say you can. And if you can incorporate this tech into them in 4 minutes. And if they can hit me at all, what with tourney-limit speed, Judomaster's aversion field, KK's skill (he has dodged lightning, btw). All while we disintegrate you, attack you, use your own attacks against you, etc.

That's a lot of ifs. And you plan seems to be predicated on my team not fighting back, but standing around waiting for your plans to work. In a speedblitz situation (which this is) I win handily.

Are you really going to be able to target and attack a blur target in the opening second of the fight as Mach 10 speed closes the 0.5 km gap between us in about .4 seconds? Or do anything to that target as a thunderclap ruins your entire team? Or disintegrate you with anti-metal.

These are the questions that need asked. Your plan would be great if I wasn't so superior to you in power, so as to give you no time at all to use them before you're dead.

Originally posted by leonidas
an omnidirectional blast that would, you know, kill one of your guys

First, the scan I showed to show you Havok's attack wasn't omni-directional. Second, he's clearly not going to do anything to endanger his teammates. Third, Moon Knight is hidden and away, and Minion could absorb the omni-directional attack with BK and use it against you.

So yeah, silly counter there.

Originally posted by leonidas
havok is meaningless in this fight. he can't threaten kang who is a hologram, he can't threaten robogod because of our shields, he has NO defense vs being neutralized. he can't even defeat peacemaker, whose armor can instantly adapt to his attacks. he can and would be destroyed by our holographic kang very quickly when he is struck by bolts that wreck city blocks and bombs that work like nukes

Can instantly adapt to energy that will disintegrate him? I'd like to see that.

Anyway, shields?! That's your answer to my team's offense? Let's imagine Superman were in this fight. People would laugh and say that Kal would bust through the shields without even thinking about it.

And I'm better than Superman.

Minion can override tech shielding:
http://img118.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p3zz4.jpg
http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p4su1.jpg

Havok can melt nigh-adamantium if needed:
http://img182.imageshack.us/my.php?image=adamantiumwalluh6.jpg

Karate Kid can detect weak spots in ANYTHING, including forcefields:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/Legionnaires-022-08.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/Legionnaires-022-15.jpg
or
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/titanslsh4-20.jpg
or diamond:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/Adventure_365-16.jpg
At peak human strength. With Minion Prime, he could wreck the planet. Literally.

Originally posted by leonidas
if jefferies can make a ship accelerate to LIGHTSPEED, converting small amounts of mass to produce the energy needed to power the bombs is less than nothing

So vague speculation with no proof. Wicked.

Originally posted by leonidas
well, we showed the power could be called down by a recording. what more proof do you need that your soul-plan has gaping holes.

And I showed full assimilations, multiple times, I showed that the Marvel's power is based on the person, not the host body, and showed the Marvel power being used in a different host body. Fooling the power with a recording doesn't invalidate any of that. All it means is that it can be called down in more than one way. If a single weird scan debunks mountains of evidence, I'm seriously underestimating the amount of BS needed to debunk a credible plan.

Originally posted by leonidas
your anti-metal pulse has a range and directional setting that makes it utterly useless.

Until I speedblitz your ass before your team does anything. Then it's just another weapon in the arsenal, sepcifically designed to take you out.

Originally posted by leonidas
even amped by a STAR havok could barely overcome vulcan. firehawk's energy wouldn't give near the amp he's trying to convince you it would

Was hoping you'd mention this.
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Havok
Havok's body is constantly in the process of absorbing cosmic radiation. When each of his body's power-storage cell enclaves reaches its capacity, excess cosmic energy is thereafter absorbed and immediately re-emitted in negligible quantities. Upon the total expenditure of all his available energy, it takes Havok's body about 16 hours to recharge to its peak level. The act of concentration involved in releasing his energy in anything other than an omnidirectional wave is physically exhausting for Havok if he continues it over an extended period of time.

So what does that mean? It means his peak is a lot easier to get to than might be suggested by a literal sundip. So is he absolute peak? Perhaps not. But he'd far beyond "normal" levels, and is every bit in Vulcan's league for this entire fight.

It also means, come to think of it, that he can survive in a sun. Damnit. That's some durability there.

Originally posted by leonidas
good thing we don't NEED seconds . . . less than a second will suffice. t-spheres can not HELP but find you instantly with the energy you're giving off. then you are depowered. seriously folks, it really is as simple as that. don't believe me? look at it logically and weigh for yourself what he's suggesting against what WE'RE suggesting:

I'll wait for a scan of a T-sphere tagging Flash, or something else that would be at the level you expect us to believe. Hyperbole doesn't suit you, not when I'm going to call you out on it.

Anyway, my character can keep up with Flash:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/Adventure373-17.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/Adventure373-18.jpg
...a Flash attacking the Legion, who no one else could even touch let alone hurt besides KK.

DigiMark007, folks. Giving the judges what they need to believe him.



Summary

Once I blitz them, which is under a second to close the 0.5 km gap (at Mach 10, mind you), with Minion's tourney-limit speed and Firehawk's near-limit speed, their attacks are useless, the bombs would hurt them as much (or more) than me, I can dodge anything they send at me, absorb whatever I need to send it back at them, and have a bevy of attacks that would cripple them at close quarters (anti-metal, energy, thunderclaps, etc. etc.). Minion's a planet-wrecker. Havok's godly. He's got all his eggs in a single, metal basket. And I blow it to holy hell.

Originally posted by leonidas
oh, sorry--quick shout out to KM for making the jefferies stuff so readily available.

KM's a friend to all tourneys. All my X-51 and MK stuff was from his thread.

huh?
http://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jefferies1qc8.jpg

that scan SHOWS KANE DL'ING JEFFERIES' POWERSET. so yes, UNEQUIVOCALLY we have jefferies powers--even if for whatever reason you don't think we have the others (as i said--they are all part of weapon x, all have been studied and used by weapon x--only stands to reason their powers would be part of the VAST database kane had access to . . .) and with THAT knowledge, we have an UN-COUNTERABLE OFFENSIVE OPTION. even if you some think he can survive the depowering and bombs (and i'm asking right now for any judge who DOES think he survives to please explain HOW he survives . . .) he has no means of countering jefferies powerset with his CYBORG!

he's screwed so many ways it's hard to keep track of them all.



the scans i showed of jefferies in the scan-only DEMONSTRATED CLEARLY THAT WITH SPECS IN HIS HEAD HE CAN CREATE UNFAMILIAR TECH ALMOST INSTANTLY. (sonograph, pressure suits).



yeah, that's a pretty good analogy. except for the part where

(a )we're NOT fighting a cosmic level being,

(b) you did NOT say reed's mind is a computer capable of processing at near-light speed,

(c) you did NOT say he can transmute metal, glass and plastic at herald levels almost instantly.

(d) you NEGLECT to say he has access to some of the best tech in all of comics millennia beyond what you have.

(e) you forget to say he has access to a mutant power that let's him INTUITIVELY understand tech in a way even REED never has before.

(f) you also forgot to add that along with all that stuff we gave him, he ALSO HAS THE PLANS FOR WHATEVER HE WANTS TO BUILD IN HIS MIND. afterall, we're not building ANYTHING NEW--just combining some tech. (do you really think if reed had access to jefferies powers that he could NOT build any of the devices he has ALREADY built, almost instantly?? despite the scans i showed of jefferies doing EXACTLY that?? c'mon now . . . how much proof do you actually need?)

other than that though, the analogy is pretty accurate.



speaking of being called out . . . how's about we see BK absorbing something that is REALLY big. something that extends well beyond the bounds of his shield? the blasts kang is using are ENORMOUS--that bomb is akin to saying BK could absorb a NUKE. no way he's ever shown ANYTHING like that kind of power. so . . . proof?





our speeds are BOTH maxxed, (ie--EVEN) AND we can teleport better than anyone in this thing.



well, the tech we are using is at the very least equal to stark's (in fact, we've INCORPORATED stark's tech . . .) and stark himself, without any of the amping/meshing we've done, can operate in the picosecond range . . .

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/8977/impico1ty3.jpg

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/8297/imreaction1sr7.jpg

so, again, by your own admission, you say 0.4secs, eh? well, by my math, that makes our tech at the very LEAST, 100X FASTER than you . . .



please. a thunderclap? passes through holographic kang harmlessly, and does less than nothing to shields that withstand an enraged thor, quasar, cap marvel and all the other avengers--SIMULTANEOUSLY. again, do you understand it took stark WEEKS to find a weakness in this shield? and he never DID! he STILL needed the triune to work with him to weaken the adaptive shields. beyond that, you'd need to HIT us. with equal speed, our teleporting makes us impossible for you to hit. throw in indestructible skin as well for good measure.

digi somehow thinks if he hits us, he wins. the shield HAS no weakness. you aren't breaking it. you think minion overrides shields stark couldn't find weaknesses in over the course of WEEKS?? please . . . we are MILLENNIA more advanced than minion.



so you WON'T be using the omni-blast like you said you would in your last post? sweet! that means our spheres are COMPLETELY safe as you'd have to TRAVEL TO THEM to reach them BEFORE they blast you with the neutralizer ray. 0.4secs is an eternity compared to what we can do. targetted and depowered before he makes it half-way to us.

seriously--he really is screwed . . .

oh, and MK arrived WITH your team in your little huddled grouping--part of the problem with your 'we're-tougher-than-you-so-we-don't-need-an-actual-battle-plan' "strategy". whatever massive attack havok tries, he screws MK over with it . . . and minion.



not.
even.
close.

or they might say that until they actually realized how strong the shields are and that they are ADAPTIVE. repeated blows with mjollnir by an enraged thor can't bypass them=superman has no chance. neither does your guy, unless you can somehow prove the shields HAVE a weakness. and don't forget--LEGION takes place in the 30th--we have tech from the 40th CENTURY. we are FAR beyond anything val has come up against.

we are COMPLETELY safe. oh, and don't forget, we have indestructible skin AND you never have the chance to TRY and touch us, anyway . . .





jefferies--ON HIS OWN--can convert matter into energy--enough to send a ship to LIGHTSPEED. you think generating the power to operate tony's event horizon bombs would be 'vague speculation'? whew . . . okey-dokey . . .





kinda tough to do that, my friend, when we're every bit as fast as you, far more maneuverable than you and (imagine this if you can . . .) EVEN HAD A PLAN OF ATTACK IN PLACE TO COUNTER ANYTHING YOU TRIED TO DO. (you might have given yourself some sort of chance had you actually HAD a plan in place. the "i'm tougher than you" stratgey really was a very very poor choice for this match. )



which means . . . nothing. he HAS no "MAX SPEED". he has NO WAY to avoid being neutralized. even his output is meaningless to us and our shields. and city-wrecking blasts will KO him in a hurry (though he is depowered in the first instants of the fight anyway . . .). he and MK really are useless in this fight. a city-wrecking, 2000' tall kang and a character with power to make GL's afraid are something else altogether . . .



fortunately we don't NEED to tag flash--we need to tag a relatively slow, mach 10 guy. and i already showed we can operate in the picosecond range. again, it is simple physics--at those operating speeds time stretches and everything we say we can do we CAN do--easily.




lol

0.4 secs is about 100x TOO SLOW . . .



first, in your little blitz attempt, you fail to say how you avoid being depowered. secondly, you think we stand there and get blown up? we leave the bombs and port away. you on the other hand aren't so lucky. His only CHANCE to hurt us is to hit us physically. he's depowered before he ever reaches us and sucked into a black hole. use energy? more than cap marvel+quasar+thor? thunderclap? THUNDERCLAP?? please . . .

and your anti-metal gets close enough we could always simply absorb it, or wreck it with jefferies powers. and if he IS close enough to try anything like that, or if he's close enough to try and get physical . . . well . . . we still have the COMPLETELY UN-COUNTERABLE MADISON JEFFERIES . . .

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/AlphaFlight28-08.jpg

a feeling minion will be getting intimately acquainted with . . .

Digi Post #4

Originally posted by leonidas
he has no means of countering jefferies powerset with his CYBORG!

Can't counter? Hardly. We'll get to that in a minute.

I missed the scan the first time around, though, so thanks for posting it again. It still only justifies 1 of about 7 power sets, with the rest being speculative pending further evidence. Is the proof really out there, or did you just settle on 7 because you thought reaching for entire teams and such would be less likely to be believed?

So a nice, though nowhere near game-changing, addition with Jeffries. That's it, though, and you still have the large majority of your plan in the column.

Originally posted by leonidas
the scans i showed of jefferies in the scan-only DEMONSTRATED CLEARLY THAT WITH SPECS IN HIS HEAD HE CAN CREATE UNFAMILIAR TECH ALMOST INSTANTLY. (sonograph, pressure suits).

You have Jeffries power set, not his experiences. Saying he can build something means nothing if Techno is not as knowledgeable and proficient as Madison is with it.

4 minutes, meshing exotic tech together in the hopes that it would work seamlessly, with materials that require matter manipulation to create a fission reactor. Pray tell, how does a T-sphere contain a fission reactor? Or how do you go about making one, aside from speculating based on an unrelated Jeffries feat? Round hole, square peg.

We have Techno DLing Jeffries powers, and we have....nothing else. I can use KK showings, for example, because I literally have his mind inside me. But do we really assume that, for example, me with Magneto's powers is instantly as good as Magneto? Please.

If I had the ludicrous level of proof for Minion that leo has for his plans, I would've been forced to give up Minion weeks ago. Don't let him get off with this sloppy planning, forced logic, and convenient sidestepping of problems.

Originally posted by leonidas
speaking of being called out . . . how's about we see BK absorbing something that is REALLY big.

Are you forgetting that Minion has Cpt. Marvel level durability and can heal from nearly anything almost instantly? And KK's skill combined with MN'ers calculative ability, meaning that we'll never be in a bad position in this fight. The shield is hardly my only line of defense.

That said, the absorption is more than enough to soak up nearly anything you send at us, and use it against you.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/jjschm20/Black%20Knight/BKvsKillerShrike1.jpg
...where he absorbs what appears to be an omnidirectional blast. Or,
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/jjschm20/Black%20Knight/AntiMindvs.jpg

Perceive it how you want. But judges, he's still trying to use epic energy blasts against me, and I still have a character specifically suited to not just defend against it but turn it into an attack against them.

Originally posted by leonidas
our speeds are BOTH maxxed, (ie--EVEN) AND we can teleport better than anyone in this thing.

Disagree. See the last paragraph in this section.

You're forgetting an important aspect of this though. While we're both presenting ways that we think we'd counter and/or kill the other team, we can't say exactly how and when the attacks would get used in the heat of battle. However, I can say beyond doubt that whatever my team can do that is best for the situation, whatever is the optimal way to counter you, will happen.
http://img261.imageshack.us/my.php?image=n2jc0.jpg
http://img132.imageshack.us/my.php?image=n3hb2.jpg
http://img132.imageshack.us/my.php?image=n4ef1.jpg

Such certainty is not to be trifled at. Judges, I can guarantee that my plans will be used at the optimal points and in the best possible sequence. If it's possible given my power set, it would happen. More importantly, if a win is at all possible given my power set, it will happen due to this.

Btw, who exactly gives your team Mach 10 travel speed, and reflexes better than anyone outside of Flash? I've shown mine, unequivocally (if I may borrow your word) and irrefutably, with scans and evidence. Other than unjustified speculation that T-spheres operate near lightspeed, I haven't seen sh*t from your team, nor do I see a name that pops out at me that has those powers. Faster team: undoubtedly me, reactions, skills, travel speed, everything. Better team: undoubtedly me as well.

Originally posted by leonidas
well, the tech we are using is at the very least equal to stark's (in fact, we've INCORPORATED stark's tech . . .) and stark himself, without any of the amping/meshing we've done, can operate in the picosecond range

The picoseconds thing was how long it took the tech to analyze the signal, not how long it took to act. Besides, Stark's reaction are based on his internal Extremis nanites, which you don't have.

Originally posted by leonidas
digi somehow thinks if he hits us, he wins. the shield HAS no weakness. you aren't breaking it. you think minion overrides shields stark couldn't find weaknesses in over the course of WEEKS?? please . . . we are MILLENNIA more advanced than minion.

Funny you use millenia. That scan I showed of him overriding a tech shield was on a person from the year 9000 and something, whose race had taken over and destroyed the entire galaxy with their technology and weapons. I can post the scans if you don't believe it, but I don't have any reason to lie about this.

Minion's that good. And he's got a herald's body, adamantium-esque durability, and KK's skills backing him. You lost once underestimating him. If things don't change here, the same thing may happen again.

Originally posted by leonidas
so you WON'T be using the omni-blast like you said you would in your last post? sweet!

*sigh*

The opening attack is this:
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/Havok/Page023.jpg
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/Havok/Page024.jpg

But if you come close enough to Havok with your tech to use it against us, he simply radiates outward, melting it:
http://img232.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen180nj1.jpg

So you can't attack him without getting melted or dying. Period.

Originally posted by leonidas
whatever massive attack havok tries, he screws MK over with it . . . and minion.

Havok can be as specific or general as he wants with his attacks. From this:
http://img143.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nexus2vr0.jpg
to this:
http://img469.imageshack.us/my.php?image=theincrediblehulkv21501bk5.jpg
http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=theincrediblehulkv21502hu3.jpg

So please don't try to tell me what I would and wouldn't be doing. Havok does whatever hurts your team and not mine. He's only as omni-directional as he can be, which, once we get to close quarters is as much as he wants, especially since Minion can absorb it and use it as well, and is better suited to survive it anyway.

And judges, please look at all of these scans for Havok. Collectively they show just how sickening his power really is. Leo's casual dismissal of him is, well, possibly expected but an incredibly ill-conceived approach.

Originally posted by leonidas
jefferies--ON HIS OWN--can convert matter into energy--enough to send a ship to LIGHTSPEED. you think generating the power to operate tony's event horizon bombs would be 'vague speculation'? whew . . . okey-dokey

Yes, when it's not what is needed at all. It's using a spoon to perform brain surgery. Convert matter into energy? Great. But nowhere near the level of control to create the delicate materials needed for a fission reactor. Random energy that he happens to get won't do the trick at all.

Inside a T-sphere. With about 4 different techs crushed into a grapefruit-sized metal ball.



Seriously.

Originally posted by leonidas
first, in your little blitz attempt, you fail to say how you avoid being depowered.

Avoid it, melt it, absorb it, thunderclap it into space, disintegrate it with anti-metal, etc. etc. I might as well use the environment and create a sandstorm as well. Just to make things easier for me to get to you, make it harder for you to hit me, and generally confuse the battlefield even more.

Originally posted by leonidas
and your anti-metal gets close enough we could always simply absorb it, or wreck it with jefferies powers.

Jeffries can wreck anti-metal pulses?



News and Notes

- Minion's still a go. Don't let the base power level of this tourney fool you. I have a character who can legitimately destroy planets. And who can't be directly hit, can magically absorb energy, heal epicly, etc. etc. A few metal gadgets are pathetic in comparison. And an amped Havok, who can wreck miles of battlefield, and anything in it (characters, tech, etc.), with a thought.

- If the tech gets close enough to make a difference (if they have it all, that is), it gets melted by Havok, disintegrated by anti-metal, etc. The energy gets absorbed, used against them, and I'm better, faster, more skilled, and stronger.

- There's still woefully little justification for their plan. Parts would work, undoubtedly, but the whole of it, or even the majority, just as assuredly wouldn't.

Scoob/Leo - Post # whatever '#' this is.

Hey, not been available much over the weekend, I'll make this a response only post and add newer stuff next time.

Originally posted by illadelph12
MN'er:
Similarly, take all of that from up there, then realize that he'll take the absolute best plan of action each and every time, because MNer can run millions of combat scenarios every second to produce the optimal strategy.

Yep, but Minion can't.

Midnighter's abilities aren't mental, they are a strange combination of genetic manipulation and technological implants. As you no longer have MN on your team you don't have the tech as that stuff doesn't carry from one match to the next ... and there was certainly,y no mention of you trying to rebuild the tech (though that wouldn't work anyway as it was specifically created to interface with MN's physiology)

Even if you could recreate MN's tech parts, they wouldn't register us due to Mr Terrific's abilities.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Also, Mr. Terrific's T-spheres are vulnerable to electrical attacks:
http://img380.imageshack.us/my.php?image=terrificxz0.jpg
Which I'll exploit with the truncheon as well:
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/ms_-_moon_knight_v3_036_p10.jpg

Bit of a large stretch to say that a simple electrical stunner is equivalent to a meta human with poorly defined electrical powers.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Super Havok

lol

Havok absorbs cosmic radiation, Firehawk has some heat based radioactive output (which you jump to the conclusion makes her a mini star)

put those things together and you came up with "Super Havok"? ...lmao, all I see is a character with two sets of similar heat based powers, redundant at best, laughable at worst.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Moon Knight

Has no plane as vehicles aren't permitted in the league (which is why Fangirl couldn't use the batplane)

Judges, you can go ahead and ignore any mention of Moon Knight's plane.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Minion's half man, half machine.

Which half(s)?

Regardless, Mr Terrific renders us invisible to your tech/targeting and Spiral renders us invisible to your organics (if he even has organic eyes)

BK's ability to see through illusions doesn't see to fit, we're not casting illusions, we're just invisible.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
none of the scans suggest that either, but rather reinforce that "bio-chemical information" is fact equivalent to the soul.

So you argue that this bio-chem memory is a soul, then you transform Minion into one of the Marvels (which, as shown with your Superman scans, does cause the body to transform into a regular Marvel, regardless of who has been co-opted by Freeman & Co)

This means that you are no longer a cyborg, therefore you don't have the bio-chem memories of anyone, which means you lose the captured "souls", which means you lose the power of Shazam (and possibly get smited for your effort) and you end up back as base Minion with zero stored minds (including his regular ones form pre-tourney)

Originally posted by DigiMark007
http://pics.livejournal.com/jeanne_dark/pic/0007kgw9
http://pics.livejournal.com/jeanne_dark/pic/0007paw2
http://pics.livejournal.com/jeanne_dark/pic/0007q8q4


= Minion losing everything he built up during his cyborg days.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Tech, meet anti-metal pulse.

That's a very short range weapon, which will be extremely difficult to use on an opponent you can't even see.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
We have 10 minutes of prep. By their own admission, amalgamations will take roughly 6 min. of that:

So, for the math-deficient, that leaves 4 minutes. Keep that in mind.

With the remaining 4 minutes, they want you to believe that they can do ALL of the following:
A. Download the power sets of no less than 7 characters, none of which they bothered to prove would be in the database, or that Techno would be able to assimilate their powers.
B. Kang's armor. Mind you, Kang isn't amalgamated with Techno. He'd have to describe the armor to him, since a telepathic link isn't viable. Impossible in 4 minutes, or even 4 hours.
C. 6 T-spheres
D. But wait, he expects us to believe he can effortlessly meld two different kinds of tech (Stark's and Terrific's) to incorporate Stark-tech into the T-spheres, which will never be supported by evidence.
E. Adds yet another person's tech to the T-spheres, Forge's, to make them into neutralizers.
F. Kang's hologear and growing man tech

A - Yup, starting with Aurora in order to make this as quick as possible.

B - Kang's mind is now as much part of Techno as the Fixer's is.

C - For starters (we can always make more on the fly)

D - We have the minds of Techno, Tony Stark, Kang, Mr Terrific and Forge (amongst others) melding the tech together is simplicity itself.

E - See 'D'.

F - Kang's mind & base resources + super speed + technomorphic body = success.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
I could just melt all of their tech by heating the air around me:
http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen180bcc0.jpg

Starktech means we can easily use his heat absorption tech:

http://img386.imageshack.us/my.php?image=absorptionnovablastpx8.jpg

Basically, whatever heat gets through our shielding is only going to make us more powerful, thanks.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
I'll assume Scoob's planning nefariously (see also: drinking).



Originally posted by DigiMark007
The 'computer speeds' argument is a bit lost as well unless you back it up somehow.

Well ... Techno is a computer ... so .... (I don't know where else to go with that)

heh

Seriously though, the guy has a supercomputer for a brain, recently added to this is the various upgrades gleaned from the minds of the various top notch techies he has "assimilated" (Tony Stark, Kang, Mr Terrific, Forge, etc)

Also first hand examinations of the the very latest in Iron Man and Kang armours, along with the semi-futuristic liquid metal tech employed by Kane and Weapon X.

All schematics are stored within Techno and can be replicated at any time.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Anyway, my character can keep up with Flash:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/Adventure373-17.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/Adventure373-18.jpg

By "keep up" are you referring to the part where Flash stood perfectly still and let himself get sucker-punched?

Originally posted by DigiMark007
You have Jeffries power set, not his experiences. Saying he can build something means nothing if Techno is not as knowledgeable and proficient as Madison is with it.

Forge's power allows for a certain intuitive understanding of this sort of thing super-speed supercomputers allow for precision calculations and power employment.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Btw, who exactly gives your team Mach 10

Aurora (same way we got Jeffries powers ... which you already conceded)

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Stark's reaction are based on his internal Extremis nanites, which you don't have.

Stark is human, the nanites increase his speed by making him part machine, we don't require that crutch .... also we have Aurora.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Inside a T-sphere. With about 4 different techs crushed into a grapefruit-sized metal ball.

We have the minds of a few experts in nano-technology ... size isn't an issue.

kane DL'ing multiple powers in mad-battle:

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/3051/dl2ht6.jpg

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/8481/dl1ld4.jpg




so now he knows we have it, so he says experience is a problem. we have the minds of several of the smartest beings in marvel (and the third smartest man in dc) in our amalgam and one being who is very familar with his powerset because he can essentially do . . . THE SAME THING!

for techno, schematics=tech
http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/876/10schematicsun8.jpg

so, using the powers would NOT be issue IN ANY WAY. like stark or kang couldn't figure out our to use it anyway . . . someone is getting desperate . . .



like i said, that "4 mins" would be an eternity to forge, whose mind would be capable of feats like this:

techno processing/multitasking:

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/9686/29multitaskfb4.jpg

so, we have TWO characters who can instantly fashion complex tech from nothing more than a set of plans placed in their minds. on top of that, we have the actual MINDS of the inventors of the tech. on top of that, those minds are being employed by a near-lightspeed supercomputer AND we have a mutant whose mind is ALSO working at near lightspeed with the power to make any mechanical device better INTUITIVELY.

beyond that, we have just demonstrated that we do not have to perform all our tasks sequentially--with techno's MULTITASKING ABILITY we could easily perform all the feats SIMULTANEOUSLY, giving the full 4mins to EACH TASK! oh, and did i forget to mention that and we've given all of them access to a CITY-SIZED version of the best tech imagineable?

i think we can safely say we got things wll covered.



speaking of . . . that scan we showed of A RECORDING summoning the power of shazam, speaks once again to the importance of SPEAKING the word. now everyone needs to understand what digi is doing. he's absorbing the souls of the marvel's then saying shazam--ONE TIME--and expecting to get all the powers of EACH MARVEL. but it has been stated over and over in comics, on websites and in handbooks that for each to gain the power, EACH must SPEAK the name.

http://img175.imageshack.us/my.php?image=voicesm4.jpg

(since digi used kingdom come in our first match, thought i'd continue--there are other continuity scans, but it is common knowledge the word must be SPOKEN for the power to be called)

clearly (as our scan shows irrefutably) it is FREDDY'S VOICE that is of primary importance. the recording played FREDDY'S VOICE, the lightning came and struck FREDDY'S body.

so, with that in mind, i once again ask--how does MINION'S VOICE summon the power of all 3? what proof is there that ONE lightning bolt would be enough to empower all THREE beings inside digi? and if ONE lightning bolt isn't enough, how it is that when a SECOND lightning bolt is summoned by the next marvel to say shazam, that the FIRST power isn't removed?

he seems to want to say all 3 speak at once in his mind and WITH MINION'S VOICE, and with one bolt all THREE get their full power. proof?? or he might be saying that each subsequent bolt is somehow different and thus would NOT negate the previously summoned power. again, proof?

over and over it has been shown that if they can't SPEAK THE WORD, they can't GET THE POWER.

oh, and since we can do it--robogod for the hell of it, will search through his databases (blessed multitasking) to see if he can find a recording of freddy's or mary's voice then BROADCAST it as loudly as he can . . . heh it's possible the t-spheres (via the checkmate database) would HAVE these recordings, as batman did. if we find a recording, he even more screwed than he ALREADY is.



except that you didn't USE that ability--at all and as scoob says you don't have the tech for it. regardless, you arrived in a group, smack dab in the middle of our little death trap. from there, there IS no 'best position' for you . . . you came in without a plan and think that just because you have MN that you can magically get out of it? heh they just do what you tell them to and you told them to ignore a plan and just rely on your 'we're tougher than you' strategy. i'm sure MN was thrilled with that choice.



except you can't absorb anything cuz you've been depowered, and even if you weren't you can't absorb a black hole . . . and no energy you can use would get through our shields or harm our holographic kang.



it demonstates processing speeds. i love how when you had him it was used to show reaction speed though . . .



heh. digi's own words. and actually we DO have tony's tech. we got it last match when we actually had tony himself on our team and he meshed all his tech with ours. oops. and now we have BETTER--a LOT better . . .

anything tony can do, we can do better. a LOT better.



wow . . . that will do . . . nothing at all. we are all shielded and we are 0.5km away. you'd have to find us first then shoot. we are shielded and have ludicrously fast computer reflexes. we port the spheres around you the instant the match starts. they find you and you die in a depowered, mangled mess.





LOL

ALL weapons have crazy delicate parts! the weapons techno materializes all have 'delicate' parts. seriously. call me crazy but i think kang/tony/forge/techno would be able to figure it out . . . LOL



no, but he can wreck the device emitting it. and if a rock and block of ice can stop anti-metal radiation, what in the name of all that is hole makes you think for a SECOND that it could get through our shields???



but without the marvel powers . . .



i know, that's like your favourite thing to say. but, who cares? in general, planet's don't have you completely out-planned and usually don't fight back.

we both arrive 0.5km apart. our spheres target and shoot, depowering him. at that point, it's over. they beams were DESIGNED TO WIPE OUT A PLANETFUL OF MAGIC-USERS. his weapons (which cannot block 3 SIMULTANEOUS BEAMS anyway . . .) are rendered useless. havok is depowered as well and so is MK. then the black hole hit and he dies.

can anyone POSSIBLY think that he can find us, find the spheres, understand what is happening and destroy ALL SIX SPHERES THAT SURROUND them before the spheres simply SHOOT??

the spheres are controlled by our THOUGHTS. our thoughts are HUNDREDS of times faster than his reaction times. as they are trying to figure our where we are, they are depowered, simple as.

nwoot

Digi Post #5

Originally posted by Scoobless
Hey, not been available much over the weekend, I'll make this a response only post and add newer stuff next time.

Np, good to see you. I'm glad leo isn't floundering on his own. Now you guys can flounder together.



Originally posted by Scoobless
Midnighter's abilities aren't mental, they are a strange combination of genetic manipulation and technological implants. As you no longer have MN on your team you don't have the tech as that stuff doesn't carry from one match to the next

I specified in the match where I assimilated MN'er that it included assimilating his implants. Minion is just as adept at assimilating tech, having assimilated an automated robot (the original Death's Head) as well as the database of Reed Richards' computer.

Should he not have Death's Head's skills because it's a machine, even when he clearly encases his entire personality? Same applies to MN'er.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Even if you could recreate MN's tech parts, they wouldn't register us due to Mr Terrific's abilities.

Once again, Minion's a cyborg. I could see you just fine. Out of only one eye, perhaps, but it's more than enough to see you. Not to mention BK's ability to see past any and all deceptions (scans in earlier posts).

Originally posted by Scoobless
Bit of a large stretch to say that a simple electrical stunner is equivalent to a meta human with poorly defined electrical powers.

A bit, perhaps. But no more a stretch than ignoring the vulnerability, and the fact that I can exploit it.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Havok absorbs cosmic radiation, Firehawk has some heat based radioactive output (which you jump to the conclusion makes her a mini star)

I won't play semantics between cosmic and solar radiation. Fact is, a sun's energy amps Havok. Firehawk's powers work exactly like a sun's, with a nuclear reaction to create her heat powers. End of story. And I have Havok at his peak for the entire fight (all kinds of scans showed earlier).

Originally posted by Scoobless
Has no plane as vehicles aren't permitted in the league (which is why Fangirl couldn't use the batplane)

Judges, you can go ahead and ignore any mention of Moon Knight's plane.

Actually no, they can't. The plane falls under the "transportation vehicles are allowed" ruling, which I checked with delph. Though Scoob's ruling is actually what banned BK's winged pegasus, which I'm not using, because it can fight for itself.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Which half(s)?

The half that's not robot?

srug

Look at any scan of him that I've shown, or just glance at my signature. One eye is robotic, the other human. He was made from a human base.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Regardless, Mr Terrific renders us invisible to your tech/targeting and Spiral renders us invisible to your organics (if he even has organic eyes)

BK's ability to see through illusions doesn't see to fit, we're not casting illusions, we're just invisible.

So Minion can still see you with half of himself, no one else on my team uses tech to see. And techincally, after the amalgamations, he's far more human than robot.

And when did I say BK only sees through illusions? The scans specifically showed him seeing through any deception....anything from a physical illusion to a verbal lie. Don't make things up.


So you argue that this bio-chem memory is a soul, then you transform Minion into one of the Marvels (which, as shown with your Superman scans, does cause the body to transform into a regular Marvel, regardless of who has been co-opted by Freeman & Co)

Originally posted by Scoobless
This means that you are no longer a cyborg, therefore you don't have the bio-chem memories of anyone, which means you lose the captured "souls", which means you lose the power of Shazam (and possibly get smited for your effort) and you end up back as base Minion with zero stored minds (including his regular ones form pre-tourney)

That's a lot of baseless speculation. Got anything to back it up except shoddy logic?

Btw, did Billy "lose" Superman's consciousness when he co-opted his body? Yeah, didn't think so. Kinda shoots your theory to hell.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Starktech means we can easily use his heat absorption tech:

http://img386.imageshack.us/my.php?image=absorptionnovablastpx8.jpg

Basically, whatever heat gets through our shielding is only going to make us more powerful, thanks.

Yet another piece of tech you expect us to believe that you'd build?!

But Havok's powers aren't heat, so it's a moot scan. Firehawk's powers are, but she's just the amp, not the actual offense. Havok's powers are close, but not the same: he super-heats subatomic particles that take the form of plasma in his attacks. So unless Tony has a scan of absorbing omni-directional plasma (And that scan is a directed attack, btw) it means nothing.

Also, you can't say this about many energy wielders at this level, but Havok's best blasts >>>>> Johnny's Nova Blast. And he's amped. He's just that good, and every scan I've shown displays that.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Well ... Techno is a computer ... so .... (I don't know where else to go with that)

Which still doesn't make you Flash. MNer thinks like a computer, and my reflexes are faster than yours (KK, Marvels, etc.). Do you see me saying I could build nukes in mere minutes? Super-computers are impressive, and I'm sure he operates like one. But it still means you're builing about a dozen pieces of ridiculously high-tech machinery, some in configurations they've never been in before and meshed with foreign tech. In 4 minutes.

We did away with a lot of prep to avoid stupid plans like these, judges. They continue to try to squeeze it through, however, because they know they're boned otherwise. A few items, perhaps, but not likely. All of them? Lulz.

Originally posted by Scoobless
By "keep up" are you referring to the part where Flash stood perfectly still and let himself get sucker-punched?

It's a comic. They're always perfectly still.



Aside from that, I fail to see what you're referring to. They were both battling the whole time, no one else on the Legion could touch him, and KK tagged a Flash multiple times.

PC feats are valid for KK, and he's still that fast. So I'm not sure what else to say. Reinterpreting a scan only works if it corroborates your opinion.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Aurora (same way we got Jeffries powers ... which you already conceded)

I happily conceded Jeffries because it was shown on-panel as Techno having access to his power set (which, judges, doesn't give him Madison's experience with it nor his feats). You have yet to prove the same for Aurora, or ANYONE besides Jeffries.

So judges, maybe those powers are there. Hell, maybe Silver Surfer's are too. So let's just assume that Scoob and leo are right, instead of making them justify their plan with evidence.



Originally posted by Scoobless
We have the minds of a few experts in nano-technology ... size isn't an issue.

Maybe it isn't for you. But I assure you, size always matters.

Digi Post #6

Originally posted by leonidas
kane DL'ing multiple powers in mad-battle:

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/3051/dl2ht6.jpg

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/8481/dl1ld4.jpg

Sub-zero gas and some strength? Cool. I'll happily add them to your powers. Which does nothing toward any of the 5-6 that you haven't proven.

By your partner's admission, you have Aurora, which lets you do your silliness in prep (4 minutes is still just 4 minutes, though, even to a speedster). Without proof of that you have...what, exactly? You're back to square 1, having to average about 1 piece of insanely intricate tech every 10 seconds in a non-speedster body, most times without any of the proper materials, and not knowing how to splice together Stark Tech, Forge Tech, Kang Tech, etc. etc. into these mythical T-spheres that do everything but make coffee.

You've passionately debated against far less ridiculous plans than these, leo. Don't be surprised when you fall on your face with it.

Btw, sub-zero gas gives me an opportunity to post this:
http://img119.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cmj2kg0.jpg
or this:
http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vswerewolf4ey1.jpg

Heh.

Originally posted by leonidas
so now he knows we have it, so he says experience is a problem.

I'll concede what you prove, happily so. The rest (i.e. the vast majority of the plan) is still BS, however.

And yes, experience is a massive problem. Your scans were Jeffries high-end feats. As before, it would be like giving me or you Magneto's power set and then using his best showings to argue what we'd be capable of. It's dur-worthy, at best.

Originally posted by leonidas
for techno, schematics=tech
http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/876/10schematicsun8.jpg

Tell me, where's the schematics for building a black hole bomb into a t-sphere? That particular gem is so ridiculous as to make me laugh. Or at least I would if you weren't serious about it. The bomb itself is many times larger than a t-sphere. And you don't have the materials for it. How the HELL does that get made in 4 minutes?

Originally posted by leonidas
speaking of . . . that scan we showed of A RECORDING summoning the power of shazam, speaks once again to the importance of SPEAKING the word. now everyone needs to understand what digi is doing. he's absorbing the souls of the marvel's then saying shazam--ONE TIME--and expecting to get all the powers of EACH MARVEL. but it has been stated over and over in comics, on websites and in handbooks that for each to gain the power, EACH must SPEAK the name.

http://img175.imageshack.us/my.php?image=voicesm4.jpg

(since digi used kingdom come in our first match, thought i'd continue--there are other continuity scans, but it is common knowledge the word must be SPOKEN for the power to be called)

clearly (as our scan shows irrefutably) it is FREDDY'S VOICE that is of primary importance. the recording played FREDDY'S VOICE, the lightning came and struck FREDDY'S body.

so, with that in mind, i once again ask--how does MINION'S VOICE summon the power of all 3? what proof is there that ONE lightning bolt would be enough to empower all THREE beings inside digi? and if ONE lightning bolt isn't enough, how it is that when a SECOND lightning bolt is summoned by the next marvel to say shazam, that the FIRST power isn't removed?

he seems to want to say all 3 speak at once in his mind and WITH MINION'S VOICE, and with one bolt all THREE get their full power. proof?? or he might be saying that each subsequent bolt is somehow different and thus would NOT negate the previously summoned power. again, proof?

over and over it has been shown that if they can't SPEAK THE WORD, they can't GET THE POWER.

First, I never used Kingdom Come scans, in this or any other match.

Second, because that scan you used IS from KC, an entirely different universe, it's not canon to the versions I'm using, and is worthless.

Third, Superman's voice called down the power in the scan I showed earlier. It doesn't need to be their particular voice, they just need to be present in the body. That lone fact shoots your idea to sh*t. Perhaps the power can be called down in multiple ways. I don't know for sure. But I do know that my scans show everything I'm claiming, without exception.

Originally posted by leonidas
oh, and since we can do it--robogod for the hell of it, will search through his databases (blessed multitasking) to see if he can find a recording of freddy's or mary's voice then BROADCAST it as loudly as he can . . . heh it's possible the t-spheres (via the checkmate database) would HAVE these recordings, as batman did. if we find a recording, he even more screwed than he ALREADY is.

A throwaway suggestion, yes? No one will believe this or take it seriously. It's not even worth refuting.

Originally posted by leonidas
it demonstates processing speeds. i love how when you had him it was used to show reaction speed though . . .

heh. digi's own words.

I used this scan for reaction times:
http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?image=imreaction1sr7.jpg
Not this one:
http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/8977/impico1ty3.jpg
...which is all I was saying. The latter isn't reaction times, it's a processing thing while analyzing a signal.

Even the former is a moot point, though. You didn't build Extremis, you don't have the Extremis virus in you...the two things that constitute his reactions times. So yeah, I had those reactions when I had Tony in his Extremis armor. You most certainly DON'T when all you have is his technical knowledge.

Originally posted by leonidas
wow . . . that will do . . . nothing at all. we are all shielded and we are 0.5km away. you'd have to find us first then shoot. we are shielded and have ludicrously fast computer reflexes.

Computer reflexes so, what, you can analyze the gigantic blast as it comes toward you?

You don't have Aurora. Bye-bye flight, physical reaction time, and speed. You're entirely vulnerable to Havok's blasts. Once again:
http://img143.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nexus2vr0.jpg
or
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/Havok/xfactor_v1_101_12_rougher.jpg
But really more like this:
http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0001hj0.jpg
http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0002tc1.jpg
http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0003wl8.jpg
http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0004df3.jpg

*Also, judges, I have yet to see a scan of anyone on their team surviving any kind of high-powered offense. None whatsoever. You'd think they'd use a little but more than idle hype to provide defense against me.

Speaking of defense, I might as well show mine so that I'm not a hypocrite:

Minion's insane durability before the Marvel upgrade:
http://img361.imageshack.us/my.php?image=h1xu6.jpg
http://img293.imageshack.us/my.php?image=h2ap1.jpg
http://img361.imageshack.us/my.php?image=h3xa4.jpg
http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=h4tj8.jpg
http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=h5in7.jpg
So, he can survive gigantic nukes unharmed before his upgrade.

Originally posted by leonidas
i know, that's like your favourite thing to say. but, who cares? in general, planet's don't have you completely out-planned and usually don't fight back.

Planet's are also usually harder to destroy than a bunch of would-be techno-gods. I could pound the ground and throw up mountains of sand and earth against you, then fly underground, come up in the middle of your team and either punch you all to oblivion, stab you to death, thunderclap you into space (or just throw you there), and all of your precious gadgets would be worthless.

Notes

- They haven't proved half of what they said they would, including the part about T-spheres being able to target or hit someone with my speed, or their team having physical reflexes near mine. In the time it would take for the t-spheres to cover the distance between us in order to attack, I can kill them 10 times over. Teleport? Cool, it just puts them closer to my anti-metal and energy fields.

- No clue why they're hammering a single scan home about Minion like it proves anything. One odd scan vs. mountains of evidence. They grasp at straws, and ignore my proof, while I show and tell you exactly why I'm right....which sounds like this match, actually.

that first part is true. THIS plan however is nothing CLOSE to ridiculous and i'd actually be quite surprised if it fell on its face. you keeping harping on meshing tech, but it's all just TECH. and t-spheres are EASILY adaptable. this one becomes a friggin wormhole! creating a stable hole in spacetime so he can broadcast signals into the past and future>creating a microscopic singularity . . .

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb260/DarkCrawler90/JSA6013.jpg

as for precision--they can create precisely the kind of grid we need. they are commanded, they perform. s'all we need:

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb260/DarkCrawler90/Tourney/24lasergrid.jpg

it's getting a bit tedious going over this again and again. so, last time: we have shown ON-PANEL PROOF of all major components of this plan:

can we create instant tech? yes. can we create things we've never seen if we have schematics in our minds? yes.

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/AlphaFlight36-14.jpg

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g159/A_Flight9/AlphaFlight57-15.jpg

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/AlphaFlight16-08.jpg

"HE CHANGES THE MATERIALS' FORM AND FUNCTION"--and he had no idea what he was doing with his powers yet! that was near his first appearance.

and of course, techno can do the same thing:

http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/876/10schematicsun8.jpg

do we have access to ludicrous processing speeds and the ability to multitask? yes.

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/9686/29multitaskfb4.jpg

attending 24 monitors WHILE performing 14 000 operations. and you think we CAN'T do what we've set out to do??

are the t-spheres easily adaptable and can they be reconfigured? yes (shown above)

do we have 5 of the greatest minds in comics to work on solving any tech-meshing problems? yes (kang, stark, terrific, fixer, forge)

can each of those minds (stored in techno's hard-drive) work at super-computer speeds? yes.

so, what is ridiculous is the fact that digi is actually postulating (DESPERATELY BEGGING YOU TO BELIEVE) that those 5 minds, given all their knowledge, experience and access to the BEST TECH IMAGINEABLE and herald-level transmutation, would have trouble meshing together tech that each of them knows intimately! and digi says WE are underestimating MINION! c'mon . . .

he harps on the 4mins. ask yourself how many calculations and permutations a super-computer could run through in 4mins. look at that 4mins from FORGE'S perspective. relatively it would be HOURS or even DAYS in length. again, not tournament-speak, but FACT. that's not us manipulating time at all. that's just how many things he could accomplish IN that 4mins span.

he harps on experience--we've ALREADY USED JEFFERIES' POWERS IN PREVIOUS MATCHES!

and please--let's not overlook the irony here: who is digi relying on to pull his "no-plan-making" fat out of the fire? MIDNIGHTER. and HOW does he propose MN accomplishes this miracle? by running through all possible scenarios the INSTANT he arrives on the battlefield, sorting through all possible options and choosing the best one. and he wants you (and us) to believe he can do all that BEFORE THE T-SPHERES TARGET AND DEPOWER HIM.

beyond that, perhaps even MORE ironic is the fact that while he says WE'LL have trouble meshing OUR tech, he wants you to blithely accept that DHII and MN can easily and without difficulty mesh tech MADE SPECIFICALLY FOR MN's GENETIC STRUCTURE!

heh. good one, digi.

one more point of irony (and because i don't want anyone thinking we're letting digi's plan go scot-free . . .): for whatever reason, digi (despite everything we've shown) STILL seems to say we have provided no proof for our plan. but . . . take a look at HIS proof for HIS "marvel plan". NEARLY EVERY SCAN SHOWS BILLY! billy, who has:

(a) far more power than any other marvel
(b) far more EXPERIENCE with his power than any other marvel
(c) better demonstrated CONTROL with his power (BILLY is the one who SHARES HIS POWER). there is precisely zero evidence to suggest that feddy or mary or whoever the other one is, could replicate billy's feats. and the power is still SHARED! for all of his 'cap marvel power', he would likely have only a fraction of it at most anyway . . .

and while i'm on the subject--you never answered my main point which revolved around how you summon all 3 marvel powers by calling shazam only once. or do you call it out 3 times? if so, explain how each successive bolt doesn't negate the previously gained power, or prove the lightning bolts are actually different and so would NOT negate the previously gained power. please.



not at all, actually. freddy and mary have been in the spotlight for a number of years. it is in no way at all illogical to say they would have been filmed and recorded many times, on TV or internet, or in sessions with their various groups. not something i can definitively prove, but certainly nowhere near an illogical supposition. if we find a recording, we could easily broadcast it in EXACTLY the same way batman did. you'd have exactly zero defense against it.

as far as OUR defense:

adaptive shielding:

http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shieldiv4.jpg

in the event you are wondering, that was thor, quasar, iron man, captain marvel, the presence, jack of hearts and starlight (among others) who were trying to penetrate the shielding--simultaneously. we've seen an enraged thor hammering away PHYSICALLY on the shielding as well. nothing you can do will get through it. add to that kimura's indestructible skin, kane's OWN ability to ABSORB KINETIC ENERGY, stark's tech to absorb heat and if deadpool is illegal, we can always call down WOLVERINE'S HEALING FACTOR in mid-battle.

there are many other scans showing the power of kang's forcefields. if any judge needs more proof, just chime in and ask.

bottomline: we're AT THE VERY LEAST as durable as you are--far more so if you remove your marvel powers.

onto something different--in his last post digi said he had a counter for jefferies powerset, but . . . the counter was mysteriously absent from his post . . .

why?--he HAS no counter for jefferies power. even if you somehow believe he can find us physically, blitz ALL OF OUR T-SPHERES (WHICH ARE SURROUNDING HIM AT A DISTANCE OF 0.5KM) get through ALL 6 FORCEFIELDS and destroy ALL OF THEM BEFORE THE SPHERES CAN SIMPLY TARGET AND SHOOT HIM (and if you believe that, i'll really need that explained . . .) we can still simply teleport, use our OWN speed and senses (spiral made a mockery a speedster in the scan i showed earlier)

http://img460.imageshack.us/my.php?image=senses1co9.jpg

http://img522.imageshack.us/my.php?image=senses2dm9.jpg

to get ahead of him and rip him apart with jefferies power.

digi is in a death trap with no escape and even if he does he can never touch us (teleportation+shields+various other powers) and we can STILL rip him apart.




no, so we can THINK about and therefore ACHIEVE teleportation. we think at near-lightspeed, remember?



first, we've already USED her powers in previous matches, but regardless--spiral ON HER OWN has laughed at a speedster. her power would ensure you NEVER hit us, and our shields would ensure that even if you did, it wouldn't mean a thing.

oh, and for crying out loud--WE CAST A POWER REVERSAL SPELL IN PREP

havok blasts us and . . . is ko'd.

http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/4041/phoenixkoaf2.jpg

http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=powerreverse1xg7.jpg

NOTE: angie is no longer IMMUNE to her own abilities once they've been returned at her. she can't absorb them or control them. havok is ko'd by his own power! and that would apply to his anti-metal pulse as well! how would minion do against the anti-metal pulse . . .?




i know, i said that in the opening. but we track you at near lightspeed--you move at mach 10 and not until you've figured out what's happening and where we are. do the math. you're dead before you figure things out or i teleport the spheres to you and THEN they depower you.

and he wants to throw sand at us, punch us and stab us. he ko's himself. we still have a 2000' kang and a guy that scares GLs.

you really are screwed. seriously judges--he's f'd.

Digi Post #7

Phew! Getting there, kids. Leo, what do you say we call this at maybe 9 posts a piece? I'm tired as sin (though enjoying myself nonetheless). At this pace, you'd still get the last post, since we've been trading off but I went first.

Originally posted by leonidas
this one becomes a friggin wormhole! creating a stable hole in spacetime so he can broadcast signals into the past and future>creating a microscopic singularity

With Atom's help, and undoubtedly days worth of time. And also not what you need. Yes, leo, you have the brains and resources to eventually figure out how to splice together all the different things you claim. You even amped your thought speed a little bit. My issue was never, and still isn't, that you could eventually pull it off. But it's 4 minutes.

Let's take your scan here, the one you need to convince the judges that he can perform things so fast that you can actually do some of this:
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/9686/29multitaskfb4.jpg
Multi-tasking, no doubt. It uses the term "24 different view screens." But what's a view screen? To me, it seems like he's viewing 24 things at once. Impressive, but it's a far cry from 24 separate mental operations. A far cry.

If they knew exactly what they were doing from the start, they might have a chance. But Kang isn't meshed with Techno, so he doesn't have mental schematics. Furthermore, and more importantly, they have to figure out how to get about 4 separate techs to work together inside a tiny t-sphere. The black hole bomb alone is larger than a t-sphere, so it's physically impossible for that to work. Physically impossible. The rest is just as suspect.

Originally posted by leonidas
as for precision--they can create precisely the kind of grid we need. they are commanded, they perform. s'all we need:

Pointless. You can't get them to me until well after I attack, it takes time for them to get coordinated, and I could pinpoint each one and destroy it with ANY of my team before that happens.

Or Havok could melt them instantly as soon as they're anywhere near him. Or the anti-metal could disintegrate them as soon as you're close.

Still waiting on that "tracks them at lightspeed" scan, btw. Seriously, are t-spheres analogous to Flash? I doubt I'm alone in my scepticism.

Originally posted by leonidas
and please--let's not overlook the irony here: who is digi relying on to pull his "no-plan-making" fat out of the fire? MIDNIGHTER. and HOW does he propose MN accomplishes this miracle? by running through all possible scenarios the INSTANT he arrives on the battlefield, sorting through all possible options and choosing the best one. and he wants you (and us) to believe he can do all that BEFORE THE T-SPHERES TARGET AND DEPOWER HIM.

That's exactly what MN'er does, dude. He runs millions of combat scenarios a second. You want to talk about processing times, picoseconds, and reactions? I just put a dude who can think of something every millionth of a second inside a body that can throw mountains, with the reaction speeds near Flash. He'd think of thousands of tactics in the opening picoseconds that I haven't thought of in this days-long battle with you. He's that good.

Originally posted by leonidas
beyond that, perhaps even MORE ironic is the fact that while he says WE'LL have trouble meshing OUR tech, he wants you to blithely accept that DHII and MN can easily and without difficulty mesh tech MADE SPECIFICALLY FOR MN's GENETIC STRUCTURE!

Yes, just like he fully assimilated all skills without difficulty from a being who was entirely technology-based (Death's Head).

Also, try not to make things up about Authority. I'm not the guy for that. Mner isn't the only guy with tech implants in Wildstorm. They aren't specific to his DNA, nor is there ever any mention of that. I can't post evidence, because the evidence is that there IS no evidence to prove that.

Originally posted by leonidas
one more point of irony (and because i don't want anyone thinking we're letting digi's plan go scot-free . . .)

I'd be disappointed if you did.

Originally posted by leonidas
for whatever reason, digi (despite everything we've shown) STILL seems to say we have provided no proof for our plan. but . . . take a look at HIS proof for HIS "marvel plan". NEARLY EVERY SCAN SHOWS BILLY!

Yeah, so what? Really, explain to me why the hell this matters. Because I'm happy to cover legit gripes, but this is just an f-ing reach. Billy's power is from the same source as Mary and Freddy. And him using his powers in a different body isn't an experience feat, it's a capability feat for the power, to prove that it's not dependent on the host body.

Sometimes judges will doubt a plan simply because it's been attacked for so long that there must be something amiss, right? Only if the arguments work. Please judge these on their merit (or lack thereof) not because they keep harping on it. I'll post the evidence again in a second.

But if you understand everything I've shown, you'll believe my plan without question. These are the same gripes that have been brought up and shot down before. Judges, don't buy the bull.

Originally posted by leonidas
and while i'm on the subject--you never answered my main point which revolved around how you summon all 3 marvel powers by calling shazam only once. or do you call it out 3 times? if so, explain how each successive bolt doesn't negate the previously gained power, or prove the lightning bolts are actually different and so would NOT negate the previously gained power. please.

Gladly. They all have different call words:
Freddy: Cpt. Marvel
Mary: Shazam
Osiris: Black Adam
...so there's no conundrum there.

And unlike your non-canon KC scan, not all lightning turns them back:
http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cmj6or8.jpg

Originally posted by leonidas
freddy and mary have been in the spotlight for a number of years. it is in no way at all illogical to say they would have been filmed and recorded many times, on TV or internet, or in sessions with their various groups. not something i can definitively prove, but certainly nowhere near an illogical supposition.

not something i can definitively prove

i.e. baseless speculation

Moving on.

Originally posted by leonidas
adaptive shielding

Adaptive pwnage?
http://img118.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p3zz4.jpg
http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p4su1.jpg
+
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/Legionnaires-022-08.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/Legionnaires-022-15.jpg
+
http://img254.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dh16rt9.jpg

RAWR muthaf-rs!

Originally posted by leonidas
bottomline: we're AT THE VERY LEAST as durable as you are--far more so if you remove your marvel powers.

Until your shields go bye-bye. Oh, and if you want your t-spheres to do anything, they'll have the leave the forcefield, where I can then destroy them easily.

Originally posted by leonidas
onto something different--in his last post digi said he had a counter for jefferies powerset, but . . . the counter was mysteriously absent from his post . . .

Heh. I didn't say it outright, but it was there. I take you out with Havok from a distance, or as soon as you're close enough to do harm anti-metal disintegrates your body or sun-level sub-atomic plasma melts your face off.

Originally posted by leonidas
oh, and for crying out loud--WE CAST A POWER REVERSAL SPELL IN PREP

False. Point out where you mention this at all in your writeup during prep and I'll happily concede the point.

You can't make things up for your prep once debates start. It destroys the purpose of the writeup and just lets you make up whatever you need in prep time to help your team. Can I go back and add things to my team's 10 minutes? Nyet, comrade.

So no power reversal. At all. During the battle, sure. But it's a dance. By both team's account, the battle will be over before Spiral begins the first gyrations.

Notes

- He seems to have given up on Aurora and the others. Remember judges, he lost 6 out of 7 power sets that he claimed to have because of lack of evidence. And they were originally using Aurora's powers to justify their tech creation in such a fast time. And also to be able to keep up with my team, or even track them, which they sure as hell can't do. Don't let them ignore that.

- New Tactic
Remember the t-spheres vulnerability to electrical power:
http://img380.imageshack.us/my.php?image=terrificxz0.jpg

Scoob complained that I didn't have that kind of electrical output with MK's truncheon. A fair complaint. But that's not my only source of electricity.
http://img137.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=11655_capbolt_batman1.jpg
http://img142.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=3ae65_capbolt_batman2.jpg
Or if you're listening to leo and want to see less Billy, here's Osiris:
http://img225.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dc52week25008dp8.jpg

Giant magic electrical attack for the win, yo. How the hell will the t-spheres, which are vulnerable to electricity, counter THAT?! Forget the grid, forget the bombs...I can take them out whenever I want. Shazam, b*tches. Shazam.

Digi Scans-Only Post #1

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/4792/minionprime1hz8.jpg

i'd say 9 is fine, but scoob might want more time. if he thinks we've covered everything, then that's fine with me. anyway, onward!

and let's start with a big ole



someone IS tired.

havok=kotfo'd as soon as he blasts us . . .




atom was PRESENT. you have no proof he helped. and even if he did--terrific has even BETTER help this time (kang, stark, forge) round AND uber-speed thinking.



unfounded, AND we'd have a similar amount of time--relatively.



lol

no, it's far MORE complicated then what we need as it's something NEW he had to DEVELOP. everything we are doing is PRE-EXISTING and simply needs to be incorporated. again, how many operations can a supercomputer perform in 4mins? BILLIONS.



not if he's ATTENDING each monitor. our job becomes that much easier when we can create and ALTER THE FORM AND FUNCTION of whatever material we are manipulating. i really don't think he understands the extent of jefferies' transmuting powers or the brains we're using to do all this.



oops. again. though kang is not meshed, we DO have a copy of his MIND so yes, we DO have all the schematics we need. which is good--cuz now even digi himself says our plan has a chance to work. nwoot



proof? it was in a missile with a SMALL warhead. the delivery system is large since it has to travel so far. the size of the equipment needed for the weapon itself? utterly unknown. and call me crazy, but i think stark and the others could pretty easily resize the sphere or the weapon . . . if not--then instead of depowered and smooshed, you're just depowered.



lol

no one will believe that. we programmed them in prep to surround you and fire. they are SUPERCOMPUTERS. you are giving off enough energy to wipe out a small city. they find you--INSTANTLY. then depower you.

and there are SIX of them.

they don't have to move, they don't have to cover the distance at a measly mach 10. once they depower you, you are finished. minion can't block all three beams from 3 different directions. he's screwed. there is no way to avoid it.



he's even slower than minion! judges, havok truly is useless in this (not as useless as MK, but ALMOST . . .) he can't react to being depowered, and even if he DOES attack us, his own power ko's him!



they don't have to be flash. they just have to be supercomputers capable of tracking a STATIONARY target. stark-tech can analyze in PICOSECONDS. that's all the spheres need to do. analyze the surrounding and find you. then they fire. it would happen in tiny fractions of a second! and if you move, they just need to track a ridiculously slow (by computer standards) MACH 10!



disregard all MN'er stuuf. even if dhII COULD assimilate TECH, digi, BY RULES OF THE TOURNAMENT, can NOT. so while you could have had MN's tech/abilities while he was meshed, you must RECREATE SAID TECH to use it here.

you didn't. ergo, anything he is trying to accomplish with MN=FAILZZZ! :thumbdown:

guess there won't be any deux ex machina around to pull your fat out of the fire afterall . . . heh




but billy has a larger SHARE of the power. that COULD change things. and what about MIXING the powers? what proof is there that the egyptian powers and the shazam powers could exist simultaneously?? beyond that, what proof is there that they could actually AMPLIFY each other?? the powers are OPPOSITE, they come from VASTLY different sources, but you want to merge them and call it a day, like it's at all clear what would happen if you did!? it seems as likely to me that the 2 powers would simlpy cancel each other out!

i know he WANTS you to think he has all his bases covered, but he really has surprisingly little proof that osiris/freddy/mary could all use their powers simultaneously in one being. ESPECIALLY in light of the fact that BILLY possesses the largest portion of that power AND has demonstrated the most USE of it.




so you don't think someone with shazam's powers calling out "BLACK ADAM" is a possible conundrum or conflict? and did darkseid hold a piece of mary's soul when he gave mary back her powers??



i'm thinking shazam might think a bit differently . . .

the soul link is thin to begin with. add on all possible complications and it is a MIRACLE it made it this far. but i think this is the end.



can't prove peter parker can bbq a steak, but i bet he can . . . it doesn't have to be proven to be logical and viable. finding a recording of them is just one more possible offensive option in a littany of them.



lol

first, it took him pages to overcome it--didn't he get beat down in his first battle with that guy . . .? second--you want to compare THAT shield to one that friggin thor, quasar, et al., couldn't penetrate???

c'mon . . .

there are adaptive shields, then there are ADAPTIVE SHIELDS. flex




each has its OWN shield and you'd not have a chance to touch them. near-lightspeed analyzing, followed by energy beam>>>>>>>>>>>mach 10. it really does boil down to that simple fact . . .




you mean havok ko's himself! lol



even if you COULD get close, the power reversal redirects the energy and MINION is anti-metalled!! lulz

or we just port behind you and rip you apart via jefferies powers. his 'counter' is to kill us before we USE jefferies powers. not the best counter ever . . . specially since he can't touch us!




lol

given up? hardly--we used her powers last match. just so happens we don't NEED her speed this battle. the spheres kill you and we don't need to do anything but watch. if we NEED it, it's there, or spiral's teleportation and senses are plenty to handle your mach 10 speed . . .



now THAT is false. we build our tech with our MIND. we have a super-computer brain. aurora's powers are nice, but completely redundant. they can't help us build faster because the power was mental. we move around the prep site via teleporting. we would use her powers in the match if it was required to move ourselves around the battlefield--it's not. nor are any of the other abilities, though kimura's invulnerability combined with wolverine's healing makes us nigh un-killable . . .



. . . is too slow. we've SIX spheres, surrounding you at a distance of 0.5km (what's the range of that strike . . .?) it would need to penetrate force fields as well.

lightning strike=FAILZZZ!



at "S" you are a depowered lump.

by "SH" you are ripped into quarks and leptons and it is no longer SHAZAM you are trying to say . . .

unavoidable death trap ftw!

Scoob/Leo: Post #8

Yup, our 8th post (though I would swear it only feels like our 2nd...)

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Phew! Getting there, kids. Leo, what do you say we call this at maybe 9 posts a piece? I'm tired as sin (though enjoying myself nonetheless). At this pace, you'd still get the last post, since we've been trading off but I went first.

Not agreeing to that at the moment, I know I've been absent (unavoidably) but I do still have a few things I want to add before this is finished.

________________


We have, working in unison, the minds and technologies of Tony Stark, Kang, Mr Terrific, Techno, Peacemaker, Amadeus Cho, Magik, Kane (Weapon X) Alfred Pennyworth, Maya Hansen, Spiral, Forge ... and due to our victory in the previous match, we also have access to the OMAC tech.

This is all Techno needs to move a mind from a human to a machine:

1. http://img150.imageshack.us/my.php?image=upload1kl7.jpg
2. http://img150.imageshack.us/my.php?image=upload2jl0.jpg
3. http://img392.imageshack.us/my.php?image=upload3ds5.jpg
4. http://img255.imageshack.us/my.php?image=upload4yv4.jpg
5. http://img392.imageshack.us/my.php?image=upload5ln2.jpg

So a basic cable-like connection is all we need to absorb the consciousness of every character we encounter.

Our mind back ups are completely legit (that's how Robo-Techno was born)

>>>>>>>> <<<<<<<<

This is a question of speed!
Speed of thought, speed of movement and speed of self-conversion.
This will show why we are more than capable of keeping up with,
and adapting to, any attack Digi (or anyone else) can dream up.

>>>>>>>> <<<<<<<<


First, and most basically, we downloaded (via the memories and technologies we acquired through Weapon X's Kane) the speed of Aurora, which instantly takes our basic physical motion speed to the tourney cap.

Second is the human vs machine calculating question (or even human vs machine vs extremis enhanced human interfaced into a machine)

Here's Tony's view on this issue:

http://img115.imageshack.us/my.php?image=01fastslowhs5.jpg

This is what happened when a second rate copy of Tony's consciousness took control of the armour (nothing to do with the Ultron sentient armour story arc)

1. http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fast01ad3.jpg
2. http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fast02gt3.jpg
3. http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fast03pf5.jpg
4. http://img113.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fast04vq6.jpg
5. http://img252.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fast05ob1.jpg
6. http://img252.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fast06bx1.jpg
7. http://img252.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fast07ic6.jpg

This basically shows that Tony's mind working without biological constraints >>>>>> regular Tony.

Applying this upgrade to the overall Techno multi-mind then multiplying the accelerated consciousness by Aurora's processing speed and even another tourney cap speedster will appear to be moving in slow motion, giving Robogod the equivalent of hours to envision and implement any attack or defence that is required for the situation.

The relatively slow human version Techno could reconfigure his tech-pac in instants:

http://img254.imageshack.us/my.php?image=human01bo6.jpg

http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=human03xq0.jpg

This pack was the original basis for his robot body and has since been improved upon many times over:

1. http://img410.imageshack.us/my.php?image=26weaponscu6.jpg
2. http://img440.imageshack.us/my.php?image=27resultqq1.jpg

Given the additional powers/resources this tourney has provided, there's virtually nothing this character cannot create in the blink of an eye.


Digi's defence against Terrifics cyber-invisibility is that one of Minion's eyes is human, no problem, a basic high intensity light flash (such as Iron Man's uni-beam or any other bright light) will easily blind that human eye ... even if Minion's healing can eventually deal with that it'll still be a prolonged period where our enemy can't detect us, giving us a virtual eternity to scan every facet of his being and use our Forge powers to come up with the perfect counter measure.

May seem like Cheap, but if your power is the ability to invent anything you can imagine, you just gotta roll with it:

1. http://img509.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hulk1wa8.jpg
2. http://img509.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hulk2fz6.jpg
3. http://img338.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hulk3cr9.jpg

Less than the space of one issue to concoct and construct a weapon to take out the Hulk ... given that he now has super-speed processing, the minds of multiple geniuses and a body that can create any device he can imagine in instants ... do you find it difficult to believe that this guy can take down a rogue cyborg that was built by a few AIM scientists?


What you have to keep in mind is that we have not only every weapon (literally) that has been invented/used by Forge, Iron Man, Techno, Kang or any of the component minds of our guys, but also any weapon they could possibly conceive of, all boosted by Forge's mutant power to be able to build any tool for any job.

In addition to this, we have access to the schematics and database for a REACH Scarab - as in "that thing that powers Blue Beetle"

1. http://img60.imageshack.us/my.php?image=01zo2.jpg
2. http://img60.imageshack.us/my.php?image=02zv0.jpg
3. http://img150.imageshack.us/my.php?image=03yv8.jpg
4. http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pm05programming2gb7.jpg

"But you don't have the Scarab" some might say, frankly, we don't need it.

Techno's body is fully capable of reforming itself in the same way the Blue Beetle armour does, all that was missing were the specs on the various REACH weapons systems, with those now taken from Peacemaker's mind we have unlocked a whole powerset of technological wonders that are on a par with Green Lanterns

http://img165.imageshack.us/my.php?image=reachlanternsfm8.jpg

"Blue Beetle never seems that powerful though"

True, simply because Jamie (the guy in the armour) constantly holds the Scarab back from going all out, in fact, the Scarab isn't supposed to hold back:

1. http://img371.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lethal1aw6.jpg

2. http://img442.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scarab1uv6.jpg
3. http://img442.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scarab2ok6.jpg

And when it doesn't, even Superman foes go down quickly:

1. http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=parasite1zd6.jpg
2. http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=parasite2zu6.jpg
3. http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=parasite3sn9.jpg
4. http://img444.imageshack.us/my.php?image=parasite4zb2.jpg

And I'm not saying it can take out the Spectre (that would be stupid) but it isn't without a few ideas on how to try it:

1. http://img233.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spectre1rc7.jpg
2. http://img258.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spectre2vh3.jpg
3. http://img167.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spectre3eb4.jpg

"Anti-Magic bubble" ... bet that would screw with Black Knight's senses to no end ... might even depower his weapons.

The Scarab also adds nicely to our stealth plan:

http://img514.imageshack.us/my.php?image=undetectablezv3.jpg

Virtually no one on DC Earth could find Brother Eye, including a ton of uber magic users, the Scarab gives us the exact same ability.

As our basic premise in this match is our ability to adapt to various opponents, this feat is extremely relevant:

http://img529.imageshack.us/my.php?image=adapt1kq0.jpg

Kryptonite on command, if a Scarab can come up with that with zero prior warning of facing a Kryptonian, imagine what it can add to Robogod when it has massively increased reaction and calculating times.... seriously ... go imagine, this post will still be here when you get back.


And, as we're sending Peacemaker in with a duplicate Scarab, we can have him invisibly tackle Minion with a move that disrupts magical powers/items ... such as BK's sword/shield:

1. http://img408.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magic1mf9.jpg
2. http://img168.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magic2kn9.jpg

Meh, random shield scan:

http://img264.imageshack.us/my.php?image=14tx5.jpg


So, like I said, Speed is key, even if we can't physically travel around faster than the tourney limits, we can sure as hell think and adapt ourselves faster than anyone else, we're faced with a problem, it gets scanned, solved and eliminated ... that's our power, it may not look flashy like zapping ourselves with lightning to increase our brickhood, but it's far more versatile and effective.

In our last match, where we got access to an OMAC, that gives us knowledge of this:

http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mary1zd5.jpg

So, even if Digi does convince the judges of his Minion Prime plan (again) we can simply depower him every time he comes in for a hit, or every time we wish to strike him ... effectively taking the Marvel's powers completely out of the equation.

And since everyone loves healing factors:

http://img175.imageshack.us/my.php?image=30regenpb3.jpg

Digi Post #8

Originally posted by leonidas
someone IS tired.

havok=kotfo'd as soon as he blasts us

D'oh! Can't believe I missed the line. My apologies.

However, the latter certainly isn't true. Havok can reflect energy just as well:
http://img329.imageshack.us/my.php?image=reflectfy9.jpg

And I absorb energy with BK, remember? So it's really doing nothing except keeping the energy all over the place, thus destroying your t-spheres.

So I can play ping pong with you as long as is needed. Spells wear off, and dances and spells give me time to enact my plan, while you're busy not being fast enough to enact yours. Also, with all that energy flying about, anything you try to do with your t-spheres is moot. They will be destroyed, as the entire battlefield will be ensconced in epic amounts of energy

Originally posted by leonidas
atom was PRESENT. you have no proof he helped. and even if he did--terrific has even BETTER help this time (kang, stark, forge) round AND uber-speed thinking

unfounded, AND we'd have a similar amount of time-relatively

You'd have relative days?! 4 minutes x even the ludicrous 24 screens that may or may not help justify Techno's speeds, only equals about an hour. Though it's still figuring out how to do Reed Richards+ tech, about 5 separate times, in 4 minutes

Believe what you will, judges. I've always said I think they'll manage some of it (like Kang's stuff, whose energy blasts just help me btw), but not all of it (like fitting a black hole bomb into small t-spheres that were never meant to contain them, and still keeping their functionality. AND depowering rays. AND whatever else I'm forgetting (there was tons more)

Some, but not all. And certainly not enough to win

Originally posted by leonidas
disregard all MN'er stuuf. even if dhII COULD assimilate TECH, digi, BY RULES OF THE TOURNAMENT, can NOT. so while you could have had MN's tech/abilities while he was meshed, you must RECREATE SAID TECH to use it here

No, not really. Would assimilating Nimrod in a match be illegal? Or X-51? I wouldn't get their powers but their knowledge and processes, and whatever abilities came along with that. This is a bit silly. The rule is covered under the assimilation rules for Minion. I'm not trying to recreate anything. It's a mental process, just like KK's or anyone's else's. The fact that it's a tech's mental processes changes nothing. It's the same as you guys using Tony's armor's processes to create new weaponry. Only with MNer, recreation isn't necessary because the processing is the actual power

If there really is a rule that covers this, cite it, talk to ill, make sure I'm in the discussion, then get back to me. Until then, I have MNer in force

And for the record, I have enough even sans MNer to win, imo, but I can't let these kinds of things slide, just on principle

If you feel the need to pursue this, let's do it in the discussion thread or PMs, then we'll inform others of any changes

Originally posted by leonidas
proof? it was in a missile with a SMALL warhead. the delivery system is large since it has to travel so far. the size of the equipment needed for the weapon itself? utterly unknown. and call me crazy, but i think stark and the others could pretty easily resize the sphere or the weapon. if not-then instead of depowered and smooshed, you're just depowered

So Tony built a black hole bomb that can fit inside a pack of cards? They use airplanes to deliver bombs, you know. Really, you'll have to move on to plan B

And hell, this still requires matter transmutation that you don't possess. Fission reactors need more than rearranging plastic and metal. Jeffries powers are cool, yes. But they have limits

Originally posted by leonidas
he's even slower than minion!

Anyone this side of Wally West is. That's hardly an insult to Havok. He doesn't have to be fast, though. His output, directional or omni-directional as needed, is MORE than enough to vaporize anything within striking distance. He can lay waste to miles of land, so the 0.5 km starting distance will be continually flooded with energy.

So if your spheres ever come out from behind your forcefields (or once I take those fields down with Minion) they will be vaporized. As soon as they could conceivably attack, they'll be well inside his blast radius. Havok's a walking nuke that never stops. To attack him, to even get close to him.

So even IF you think the spheres can do everything leo says, their durability is equivalent to a small metal ball. To a man who is a living, breathing miles-wide ball of psychotic energy, metal is like tissue paper. Either they're shielded, and thus useless, or they're trying to attack but already within the blast radius and thus vaporized. Period.

Originally posted by leonidas
so you don't think someone with shazam's powers calling out "BLACK ADAM" is a possible conundrum or conflict? and did darkseid hold a piece of mary's soul when he gave mary back her powers?

I have classic Mary and Freddy, to avoid controversy over possible recent powerups. It's been this way since I first drafted them. Current DC continuity regarding the Marvels has no bearing on this match

And the former has already been ruled on. One of the sources of power (BA, Shazam, etc.) blocking access to their power would be considered outside intervention, and is thus illegal to argue on behalf of. They have access to their power under normal circumstances, so that couldn't change without outside intervention, which again is illegal

Originally posted by leonidas
finding a recording of them is just one more possible offensive option in a littany of them

If you think the t-spheres have a recording on file of Mary and Freddy saying their words of power, go ahead and believe this. Mind you, they didn't do this during prep, so they'd have to be in the standard database since they won't have time in the match to program the spheres.

Leo, I'm not quaking in my boots on this one. We should both realize that the judges might believe aspects of the others' plan that we find ludicrous. But this, well, this is just a new level

Originally posted by leonidas
lol

lol

Originally posted by leonidas
you want to compare THAT shield to one that friggin thor, quasar, et al, couldn't penetrate?

Judges have seen how I can down your forcefields. As if Herald-level punches with an adamantium-esque blade, backed with KK's skill and Minion's tech-shield override aren't enough.....I could also, ya know, stick my shield into the field and just absorb it

Heh. Ingenuity.

Originally posted by leonidas
there are adaptive shields, then there are ADAPTIVE SHIELDS

mfhBM_Yay6w

To Scoobless

I won't spend forever breaking down each scan. And I can't spend an entire post on it, because of what I'm planning for one of my final posts. But I do have a few general observations, as well as a few specific rebuttals

Observations

- The Techno scans were sorely needed to prove at least parts of their plan. So kudos. There's still a lot missing, however.
A. Nowhere is there matter manipulation that would be required to create the fission reactor for the black hole bomb. They have skirted this issue the entire match, wanting you to believe some rearranged metal would suffice. It would not. It's not even speculation, it's a simple fact. Metal-only tech, perhaps. That, hell no.
B. He's still trying to press the Aurora angle, without realizing that nowhere has Techno been shown to have her power set on file. Don't let repetition of it fool you. It's as ludicrous as if they were saying he suddenly downloaded Havok's power set, Silver Surfer's, anyones.
C. With that being the case, they have no enhanced reflexes. To Minion, with the Marvel's raw speed and reactions, KK's insane reactions, MNer's calculative ability, their entire team is moving in slow motion to me. Processing speed means nothing when you can't react physically as fast.

Originally posted by Scoobless
This is what happened when a second rate copy of Tony's consciousness took control of the armour (nothing to do with the Ultron sentient armour story arc

Convenient. You never built his armor (check your prep), nor do you have anything but Tony's technical knowledge. So you have the slow, shaved ape (as Tony put it) not the technological dream

Originally posted by Scoobless
The relatively slow human version Techno could reconfigure his tech-pac in instants

The tech pac is cool, but nothing you're using, and nothing that will be useful. And it certainly doesn't justify mountains of sophisticated spliced-together tech in mere minutes

Originally posted by Scoobless
a basic high intensity light flash (such as Iron Man's uni-beam or any other bright light) will easily blind that human eye

If you're that close, all of your tech (and body) is disintegrated by anti-metal. So that's a worthless attack

Originally posted by Scoobless
And since everyone loves healing factors

Heh. I can regrow arms instantly too:
http://img264.imageshack.us/my.php?image=b1xo9.jpg
http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=b2pi2.jpg

But my durability >>>>>> yours, so it'll never be an issue.

Forget the 9 post proposal, btw. My 10th will be short-ish, but we're getting there in a hurry, and will have a considerable break with how the other match is progressing. And welcome back to the party Scoob.

Yeah, rumours of my absence were greatly under-exaggerated.

We're not functioning under a time limit here ... are we?

(non match counting post ... obviously)

unofficial:

it's not a huge point in the match, but scoob and i have asked delph for a ruling regarding digi's use of his assimilation abilities to assimilate tech. without mn'er we believe he can't access mn'ers powers because they are tech-based and digi could ONLY assimilate knowledge--NOT powers. since he can't assimilate tech, he doesn't HAVE mn'ers powers unless he RECREATES his tech.

digi thinks . . . differently. i'll wait to post based on delph's ruling which hopefully will be forthcoming reasonably soon.

I actually have the ruling on the same question. I didn't try to sway him, I just referred him to the posts in question. I'll post it with my next official post tonight.

{edit} actually, I may just post it in an unofficial post to clear things up. Because at the moment I have the most recent post, and I'm not sure I have enough to work with to make an entirely new post.

Unofficial Post:

Concerning MNer:


So what I'm doing is legal, because I'm replicating MNer's implants' skills that I assimilated in a past match, not bringing the tech itself to another battle.

The only issue is whether or not it would work logistically. I've stated that Minion has assimilated skills from technology before (the original Death's Head), so assimilating the skills of another tech-based skill set (MNer) would be the same process. I don't need to physically replicate the implants to replicate their skills, just like Minion doesn't replicate Death's Head's body to replicate his skills. If Scoob and Leo feel different, that's their choice, as is the judges.

But legality isn't an issue. It's cleared.

here's the response i got and why what you are doing is ILLEGAL:



dl'ing and REPLICATING/RECREATING are the only ways to make that legal. even in the post you referenced he said you need to REPLICATE THE TECH. what qualifies as 'skills' of a machine? if you assimilated the data of the black hole bomb, could you shoot black holes? dhi was a cyborg--he assimilated his knowledge and skills like any other biological entity. you are saying that if you stabbed nimrod, you'd gain all his adaptive powers? or if you stabbed amazo you could copy any power?

imo, it is against the rules. i'm going to drop it because imo it really doesn't play a big part in this match, but if we win, that would mean we could assimilate dhll's 'skills' and that would include his siphon abilities. or he could assimilate us and all our tech skills.

No, I wouldn't get powers, just skills and knowledge of those you mentioned (Nimrod, Black Hole Bomb, etc.). But MNer's fighting skill isn't a power, it's a skill. It's simply aided by tech, whose skills I also took. So it falls under skill assimilation, just like assimilating the skills from Death's Head's mind is converting technology-based skills for his own use.

Btw, you're arguing the wrong term. What I'm doing isn't illegal. It's been cleared 100%. You saying it wouldn't work like I'm saying is arguing feasibility, not legality. I realize you'll likely continue in your dissent, but I want to be on the same page here at least. The only way it would be illegal would be if I was claiming to have the actual physical implants carried from match to match.

Originally posted by Digi
No, I wouldn't get powers, just skills and knowledge of those you mentioned (Nimrod, Black Hole Bomb, etc.). But MNer's fighting skill isn't a power, it's a skill. It's simply aided by tech, whose skills I also took. So it falls under skill assimilation, just like assimilating the skills from Death's Head's mind is converting technology-based skills for his own use.

Btw, you're arguing the wrong term. What I'm doing isn't illegal. It's been cleared 100%. You saying it wouldn't work like I'm saying is arguing feasibility, not legality. I realize you'll likely continue in your dissent, but I want to be on the same page here at least.

it's illegal if you are assimilating tech.

one of the 'powers' of mn'er is his calculative abilities. those powers are based on his tech. his fighting skills would be yours, no problem. how does 'tech'--inorganic metal pieces--possess 'skills'?

and as regards nimrod--if you gain the "knowledge" on how to run through all these scenarios thanks to mn'ers tech, why WOULDN'T you gain the "knowledge" of how to perform all the adaptive functioning nimrod can do from HIS tech? where do you see a difference?

Originally posted by leonidas
it's illegal if you are assimilating tech.

one of the 'powers' of mn'er is his calculative abilities. those powers are based on his tech. his fighting skills would be yours, no problem. how does 'tech'--inorganic metal pieces--possess 'skills'?

and as regards nimrod--if you gain the "knowledge" on how to run through all these scenarios thanks to mn'ers tech, why WOULDN'T you gain the "knowledge" of how to perform all the adaptive functioning nimrod can do from HIS tech? where do you see a difference?

*sigh*

It has skills the same way Nimrod would. Would assimilating the experiences and skills of Nimrod be illegal as well? Or a cyborg, which is technically what MNer is (part man, part machine)? Of course not. They're equivalent.

And I wouldn't gain Nimrod's adaptive functioning because I don't possess the physical specs to replicate it. Minion's body isn't that versatile. I'd have the knowledge for it, but not the means. But MNer's calculating ability is simply calculation. Once I have the processes of the calculations assimilated, replicating it is the same as replicating a mind's skill set, or the skill set of a robot. Both are calculations.

meh. i disagree, but i'll drop it (don't be surprised if scoob weighs in though . . .)

like i said--i think the question is meaningless to the outcome of this match (i've been debating this whole time under the assumption you DID have his powers . . .), but you can bet i will be asking you to prove that he's assimilated and gained the abilities of 'tech' in the past though. hope you have some solid proof.

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Digi Post #9

Abstract

Judges.

You've heard many of the same arguments from myself and my opponents. We change them around to make them fresh, but it's the same ideas. It's more than likely that whatever opinion you have as you read this line, will be the one you maintain in your vote. So, I thought I'd provide something different. If nothing else, it will be fun.

Imo, the hardest thing to do with matches of this magnitude and complexity is the visualization aspect of it. Actually "seeing" the battle as the debaters see it. So what follows is a narrative visualization. No quotes, counter-points, etc. It's the battle as it plays in my head.

One quick note. Throughout the narrative, I will assume nearly the best of Scoob and leo's team. Meaning, I'll include the black hole bombs, nullifier rays, reversal spells, everything. I do not, however, believe all of those to be viable. You have seen the evidence for and against it. I think much of it is completely ridiculous, and have provided my reasoning for it. But I'd be a fool to simply assume that you will agree with me on all points. I hope you do, but you need not. With luck, I can show you how I'd win anyway.

Similarly, Midnighter's skills will not be used. I have them, and it's legal, but I want to show how even in a worst-case scenario, the battle can still be decisively in my favor.

So enjoy.

Narrative

The dune shifts imperceptibly over time, its undulations marked only by the sun, moon, and wind that shapes it. It ceases to be singular, for it rolls into the next, then becomes its own again briefly, uncaring. After centuries, a small tremor disturbs its tired dance, as small figures appear at a distance. Blurred by waves of heat, the figures dot the landscape insignificantly. For a moment. Then all changes.

Havok's blast comes simultaneously with the appearance, the aura around him already formidable and magnificent. A canyon of sand is formed, stories high, as his energy tears up a swath wider than the eye can take in all at once, engulfing all but his teammates, who stand alongside him.

Moon Knight flies off, waiting for an opportunity, cloaked and hiding in cloud cover generated by the plane.

More happens than words can keep up with. Paragraphs become nanoseconds. Within the opening tenths, Minion has run through more combat scenarios than all of us combined, even with our long debates. Midnighter? Nay. Hundreds of minds, all skilled, the master of all martial arts (KK) among them. He dives into the ground, before an energy blast could even hope to reach us. Cutting a chunk of earth out the size of a city, he crashes upwards with it moments later, hurling mountains at the enemy.

He dives down again instantly, having the speed to dodge lightning, perceive any weakness, any flaw, having the strength to move mountains, destroy planets. He beds himself beneath the enemy, unseen. "Shazam!" he calls out. Magic lightning courses into the enemy and their shields aboveground. "Shazam! Shazam! SHAZAM!" his calls are relentless. Unseen yet attacking with the force of gods, shields and defenses are gone, the enemy charred.

Yet, time being what it is in this contest of titans, I must backtrack. For as Havok's blast rings out, as Minion dives down to begin his assault, the t-spheres register us. Their blasts sing out but, unprotected, they fall victim to Havok's energy field. Blasts hit simultaneously, Minion already gone, and Havok is perhaps momentarily stunned. Yet his city-destroying blast has felled any unprotected spheres that dared attack. His attack begins anew, never ceasing, the power of a small sun at his command.

The balls are commanded to teleport near Havok. They do so. But once there they cannot function, caught in the brilliant energy aura and destroyed. Havok appears as though a sun on the battlefield. Craters begin to form around his being, the size of skyscrapers, as matter disintegrates within his field. He hovers, blinding all and raining energy in all directions.

The spheres are commanded to teleport to Minion, who cannot be found. Their sensors can detect him as he darts in and out of the earth, but the physical motion of one so skilled cannot be tracked and predicted. Their bombs explode harmlessly, as he is far away when they detonate, and their rays carom harmlessly off of sand as he disappears in a blur of skill and calculation.

Havok's energy continue to pour into them. The shields, impossibly, hold, but leaves them impotent to attack, trapped behind them. The spheres cannot be detonated close enough to him to do damage, and are destroyed when moved too close to him.

With Spiral's reversal spell in full affect, energy bounds madly in all directions from all sides, being absorbed and redirected. Miles of earth are vaporized, nothing can move but they are inundated with subatomic superheated plasmic energy. Havok repels his own blasts as they must repel them as well. But, slowly, eventually, the spell begins to fade. Havok, amped, does not fade, grows stronger and bolder. His glow can be seen from space, indeed even felt from space as the aura extends miles upward in a blinding glare.

Nullifier rays continue to miss their mark, t-spheres cannot track Minion and cannot approach Havok. "SHAZAM! SHAZAM!" the incessant cries come. Lightning engulfs the already chaotic scene. It is replaced with earth-shattering punches, with a razor sharp blade and skills that cannot quantified in mere words. The shields adapt, the t-spheres scramble madly for purchase. The bladed warrior adapts as well, changing his energy attack's frequency to pierce the shields, all the while flying madly, impossibly about, varying his attacks with pinpoint precision that can only come about when one is versed in hundreds of form of martial arts and tactics.

Energy is absorbed in droves, redirected and used on both sides. Only the strongest, most durable, and well-protected survive. Despite BK's energy absorption, Minion is constantly healing and moving to stay alive. Nothing can hit him directly (Judomaster), most energy is absorbed and redirected, but the battle is so intense that even gods are injured.

Technology is created at an insane pace to compensate. The enemy, nowhere near the same level of reflexes and speed (Aurora-less, the one debating point that I won't allow them, even in a hypothetical situation, because of how ridiculous and completely unproven it is), creates a myriad defenses and attacks. Some are useful, others less so. All the while: "SHAZAM!" and the barrage of energy and earthquake-inducing punches continue.

The electrical storm and energy short out the t-spheres entirely, whose electrical vulnerability is well documented (and proven).

Those combatants not already dead are melting in the anti-metal aura, their entire team employing tech of some sort. None can even come near Minion for fear of this fate.

Stark-tech is employed, along with Forge's PIS genius, and others join in. They maintain speed equality, finally able to compete with Minion. But their skill is lacking, even if their speed matches. Karate Kid toys with them, as a black belt might with a child. He sees the battle as a playground, his skills effortlessly complimenting his every thought and action. Minion moves as a blur, thoughts matching action every step of the way, the Wisdom of Solomon combining with KK's skill to form quite possibly the most perfect blend of fighting acumen ever assembled.

Moon Knight attacks, a wave of magnetic energy from the Angelwing further damning the technology and metal, as explosions and gas flood the ever-intensifying scene. The plane dive bombs into the enemy, Moon Knight safely outside, hurling explosives and adamantium darts at the already-beleaguered foe.

Desperately, the bombs continue to go off. But, as close to their team as mine, they affect both equally, and mine not at all because I'm more mobile. Technology continues to be made. Anti-magic bubbles pop up from their tech randomly in the hope of finding an enemy. Havok continues to rain a storm of death upon them, totally lost within his own blaze. Nothing can come within miles of him without being disintegrated, and he continues to grow stronger.

A hole the size of a state sits in the wake of the battle. Sand is crystallized and vaporized as it finally comes to a close. Havok continues shining long after there is a need for it. Minion throws chunks of enemy into space to prevent them from healing. Moon Knight tea-bags them.

End

A scans post follows this shortly, to reinforce everything I'm saying. I'll get to all relevant points from Scoob's last post in my 10th and final post, as well as those from their 10th, depending on the order we go in.

Thank you for reading. I hope it was fun, and perhaps a bit enlightening.

Scoob/Leo: Post #10

Just wanted to go over anything recent I might have missed when I skimmed through last time.

Originally posted by Digi
I wouldn't get their powers but their knowledge and processes, and whatever abilities came along with that.

He downloads only biological information ("bio-chemical program":
http://img69.imageshack.us/my.php?image=00ja5.jpg

All of which excludes Midnighter's technological upgrades, which is the entire source of his post-human abilities.

Originally posted by Digi
I have classic Mary and Freddy, to avoid controversy over possible recent powerups.

And we've already shown that they can be depowered easily:

If you're powered up, you get this:

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/6541/mary1zd5.th.jpg

If you power up again, we can easily repeat, or more simply record you and do this:

http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/5836/freddyeo1.th.jpg

There is no way you can effectively use the Marvel's powers against us.

Originally posted by Digi
One of the sources of power (BA, Shazam, etc.) blocking access to their power would be considered outside intervention, and is thus illegal to argue on behalf of. They have access to their power under normal circumstances, so that couldn't change without outside intervention, which again is illegal

Accessing there power would also be outside intervention in the match then, being as you didn't actually draft them onto your team this time around.

Originally posted by Digi
I could also, ya know, stick my shield into the field and just absorb it

bye bye shield:

http://img206.imageshack.us/my.php?image=subspaceny2.jpg

If it can happen to Mjolnir it can definitely happen to BK's weapons ... only this time we wont be "allowing" the weapon to return.

So ..... you've lost any benefit from Shazam's powers, lost the benefits of Midnighter's "fight enhancements" and thrown away your best chance of defending yourself, not the greatest position you've been in in this tourney.

Originally posted by Digi
*long winded post that points out one thing ... Digi just became a fanboy of himself*

Fan Fiction? OF YOUR OWN CREATIONS?!?!?!?

SERIOUSLY??!!!???

This is like reading Red Hulk Vs Thor (part one) all over again ... You are such a.... LOEB!!!

Like we needed a whole post dedicated to telling us a tourney participant thinks his team wins the match he's debating.

heh

Just remember that when Loeb finally sobered up (or came down) he remembered how badly Thor would pwn Hulk ... don't let Digi's own "Rulk" con you like the real thing conned thousands of Hulk fanboys worldwide.

PS, all that 'SHAZAMing' in your little story is worthless as offense as we'd have to be directly between the source of the lightning and you ... you're underground and we are invisible teleporters, all it's really doing is providing us with our recording, enabling us to f**k with your overly hyped powers whenever we want.



Well, I think that covers everything that warrants a response, if I missed anything out it (obviously) wasn't intentional.


I suppose all that's left is a brief summation of why we honestly believe we won this match.

1) We've shown multiple superhuman speed sources and reaction feats, from Techno multi-tasking, Stark's hyper speed fighting (when disembodied - as he is now) Spiral's speedster tagging and teleporting, the ability to download power sets known to Weapon X (which includes Aurora's)

2) We've shown our technological prowess in the form of Techno being able to alter his body at will, Kane possessing liquid metal tech, Forge being able to envision and build any tool for almost any job, Madison Jefferies power to alter any piece of tech to any other piece of tech with a thought, Kang's extensive knowledge and resources and the minds of Tony Stark, Mr Terrific and a few other geniuses.

Combine the two and we can create any weapon/shield/device known to man up to and including periods 2000 years into the future, as well as the intuitive and virtually instantaneous ability to generate new tools/weapons for any new threats that emerge as the match progresses.

Our base level shields can (and have been shown to) take continuous abusive assault from the combined attacks of the most powerful Avengers ... characters like Thor, who could take out "Minion Prime" all by himself, couldn't even put a dent in our defences.

We have shown multiple options for nullifying our enemies most powerful options - the two Marvel pwning options already shown in this post as well as the tech Kang used to switch Thor back to Blake against his will, Forge's nullifier, Spiral's power reversal & the Scarab's various anti-magic options (all of which have been backed up by scans throughout this match)

With all of these options, Death's Head II is back to his most basic levels at best, far more likely is that the power neutraliser will shut him down completely after his other powers have been stripped.

Even at base level can he stand up to the relatively simple weapons Kang's prison guards used to "pacify" someone like Wonderman?

Doubtful (especially as the power nullifying tech eliminates Judo Master's PIS field)

1. http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wm1qg0.jpg
2. http://img369.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wm2hs4.jpg

Maybe it was a power nullfier, maybe it just pwned him, either way, we have it (along with countless other weapons)


I was considering doing a "Scan Only" post after this, but as we've already posted scans to back up everything I don't really think it would be needed at this point.

Instead You get this.

xlKU-KsiVRY



You're Worf in that scenario.

whistling

I know.

I know...